FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: THIS Happens Right BEFORE: SIGNS You Have FOUND Your SOULMATE or TWIN FLAME in THIS LIFE with Matt Kahn

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: THIS Happens Right BEFORE — SIGNS You Have FOUND Your SOULMATE or TWIN FLAME in THIS LIFE
Guest: Matt Kahn
Release Date: December 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this illuminating and candid conversation, spiritual teacher and author Matt Kahn returns to Next Level Soul to dive deep with Alex Ferrari into the sacred search for soulmates and twin flames. Together, they unpack the universal questions about how we find our divine partner, the signs and inner work needed, and how to distinguish between ego and authentic connection. Matt also openly shares, for the first time, that he channels—bringing a new level of vulnerability and wisdom to the discussion. This episode offers practical advice, heartfelt stories, and transformative insights for anyone seeking true companionship and a deeper sense of wholeness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Power of Soul Connection vs. Ego’s Search

Timestamps: 05:35 – 10:48

• Matt Kahn recounts meeting his wife Joy:

  • Met at a conference, both as speakers.
  • Instant energetic connection:

    “Literally, our energy fields connected... the universe saying, by the way, you two are together. So you’re… figure it out.”
    – Matt Kahn (06:28)

• Past/Other Lives and Present Connection:

  • Matt experienced remembering past lives, but later came to live “as if this lifetime is my first and only lifetime,” focusing on being fully present rather than dwelling on past-life connections.

    “All the sense of past or even past lifetimes is gone. But there was a familiarity I felt with her for sure.”
    – Matt Kahn (08:57)

The Search for a Soulmate: Advice & Internal Preparation

Timestamps: 10:48 – 18:47

• Alex & Matt highlight the importance of stopping the search:

  • Alex shares his own story of letting go and “placing an order” with God, leading to his wife appearing just three weeks later:

    “I stopped looking. I was always like, ‘Hello, you, you. Are you it? Are you it?’”
    – Alex Ferrari (14:16)

• Matt’s unique approach:

  • Decided to live as a “single married man”, treating the invisible partner with the same respect he would if she existed physically.
  • Would not date unless someone truly seemed like a potential lifelong companion.

    “I would only go on a first date with someone I actually thought could be my wife. It was like a courtship.”
    – Matt Kahn (18:44)

Death Before Birth: Letting Go of Fantasies and Attachments

Timestamps: 18:56 – 23:46

• Matt’s guides taught him real union requires processing loss:
  • To receive his true partner, Matt had to “process the death of the fantasy of my wife… in order for me to meet her in reality, I have to let the fantasy die.”
  • Only by letting go, was he able to be fully ready for the connection.

    “In order to welcome in the version of her that I’m welcoming in, I have to allow the she and I that haven’t even come to be to perish.”
    – Matt Kahn (19:47)

Knowing vs. Rationalizing: Differentiating Ego and Soul

Timestamps: 27:22 – 43:58

• Ego vs. Intuition:

  • The ego seeks to fill a void, analyzes, and rationalizes. The soul knows and feels a clear “yes” before moving forward.

    “The soul says, I don’t lean in unless it’s a yes on every level. The ego says, I lean in as if it’s a yes and hope for the best.”
    – Matt Kahn (27:23)

  • On rationalization:

    “I think probably got you into trouble early on. We all rationalize because we… fear being alone, fear being rejected.”
    – Alex Ferrari (29:22)

  • Funny take on dating rules:

    “If they can’t handle your inner sixth grader, let your inner sixth grader send a text: ‘I like you. Had a great time.’”
    – Matt Kahn (31:46)

• Critical vs. Spiritual Thinking:

  “The critical thinking mind is the one that thinks it’s observing all the signs, but it’s actually piecing together a self-fulfilling prophecy…. It’s also called magical thinking.”
  – Matt Kahn (34:11, 34:19)

The Unmistakable Pull: Signs You’ve Met “The One”

Timestamps: 39:07 – 43:58

• The feeling of meeting your soulmate is unmistakable:

  “The one can’t be denied. If you’re not sure, try breaking up with them… The one can’t be denied.”
  – Matt Kahn (42:58)

  • Recurring theme: “You’re my person.”

    “There’s this pull. This magnetic thing… You’re my person.”
    – Alex Ferrari (43:48)

Growth, Wholeness, and Letting the Relationship Flow

Timestamps: 44:05 – 52:07

• The path isn’t flawless, but it is right:

  “Now it’s not gonna be smooth sailing this entire time. Now, we’re human beings. We all have our baggage… But when you’re with them… It just runs like this a little bit.”
  – Alex Ferrari (44:05)

• Matt emphasizes relationship as mutual growth:

  “Who do I desire growing with? Joy and I desire growing with each other. You and your wife desire growing with each other.”
  – Matt Kahn (44:16)

  • He shares how being “the one” for himself and Joy, independently, was what made their union possible:

    "The real one that both of us met were within ourselves... Stepping into my fullest potential was… exactly the love that this lifetime has for me."
    – Matt Kahn (49:40, 52:07)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matt on instant recognition:

  “I know you. Where have you been?”
  – Matt Kahn (08:57)

• Matt’s cheeky take on modern dating rules:

  “Old school. I love it. Immediately, old school.”
  – Matt Kahn (31:45)

• On “magical thinking”:

  “Then we train our egos to be these searchers and seekers of spiritual signs. It’s different when it’s a sign—when it’s a sign, it’s so obvious, you don’t even know what to do with yourself.”
  – Matt Kahn (34:11)

• Soul vs. Ego in relationship:

  “The soul says, until I get a yes, I don’t lean out of friendship... The ego says, well, I’m looking for a partner, there’s one of them, this must be a sign.”
  – Matt Kahn (33:09)

• On letting go of fantasy partners:

  “In order for me to meet her in reality, I have to let the fantasy die.”
  – Matt Kahn (19:47)

• When you know, you know:

  “The one can't be denied. That should be a t-shirt!”
  – Alex Ferrari (43:34)

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Important Segments and Timestamps

• How Matt met his wife / “Soul recognition” (05:35 – 08:57)
• Letting go of searching and “placing the order” (14:08 – 14:38)
• Living as a “single married person” in preparation (17:30 – 18:47)
• Processing the “death” of the fantasy partner (18:56 – 19:47)
• Soul vs. ego: relationship red flags and discernment (27:22 – 34:22)
• Signs you’ve met the one & the “critical mind” trap (37:19 – 43:34)
• Becoming whole within, not just finding “the other” (49:40 – 52:07)

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Tone & Language

The conversation is honest, self-deprecatingly humorous, heartfelt, and practical. Both speakers mix spiritual insight with relatable, down-to-earth stories and a dash of irreverent comedy (Yoda figurines and all).

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Closing Takeaway

This episode offers a roadmap for soulful partnership that centers on becoming whole within oneself, recognizing the unmistakable “yes” of true connection, and letting go of fantasy and ego-driven searching. Matt and Alex remind listeners that the deepest love is an inside job—and that the journey to finding “the one” is, in many ways, a journey to knowing and loving yourself.

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Guest website:
Matt Kahn: mattkahn.org

For more:
Full episode, resources, and show notes at NextLevelSoul.com/450

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Transcript

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Welcome to the Next Level Soul Podcast where we ask the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is this all there is? What is my soul's mission? We attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you raw and inspired, inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating and thought provoking guests on the planet today. I am your host, Alex Ferrari. Now, before we dive into today's conversation, I want to invite you to experience something truly transformative. Next Level Soul tv our spiritual streaming platform where seekers from around the world can awaken, heal and expand. We've curated a powerful collection of life changing documentaries, Deep dive interviews, original series, audiobooks, courses, master classes and live events all focused on conscious personal transformation, ancient wisdom and the soul's journey. This isn't just content, it's a calling. Whether you're exploring your spiritual gifts, seeking answers from the beyond, or just craving something real in a noisy world, Next Level Soul TV was made just for you. And here's the best part. It's commercial, free, available around the world and growing every week with new soul expanding content. So if you're ready to go deeper, head over to NextLevelSoul TV and start streaming your awakening. Now, let's begin today's episode Disclaimer the views and opinions expressed in this podcast are those of the guest and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the show, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now, today on the show, we welcome back Matt Kahn. Now, Matt and I are going to have a deep conversation which we had at Next Level Soul Studios about Soulmates and Twin Flames. How to find your soulmate, how to recognize it, what to do internally, to do, to do so, and to have them attract to you. But also, we have an exclusive where Matt reveals that he is now channeling. It has always been channeling, but has not publicly come out and said it before. And in today's episode, we talk about that in depth. So let's dive in. I like to welcome back to the show returning champion.

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[Alex Ferrari]

Matt Khan. How you doing, brother?

[Matt Kahn]

Thank you. It's an honor to be here. What an incredible setup you have.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much, my friend. I appreciate that. It's been a long time coming, man. Long time coming.

[Matt Kahn]

And I just wanted to start out by. By saying. Because, you know, I've known you for a little bit, and I just wanted to congratulate you on this incredible success. And whenever I get to tune in and watch you and all these wonderful guests, it's such a beautiful level of connection. And I just. I love everything you're doing. And so the chance to come back and spend time with you is truly an honor.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, I truly appreciate that, man. Thank you so much. Well, I mean, you are a OG, sir. You are an OG of next level soul. You are on episode 16. I think you. I think the first time we interviewed, I was in my film set of my old podcast, because I hadn't even built a set for this show yet. And then our second interview we did, I was in my Airbnb in a. Almost looked like the closet. And I'm wondering what you're thinking at this point. You're like, this guy. I mean, he's in a closet. I don't understand what's going on.

[Matt Kahn]

I don't know these things. I thought it was such. We had some.

[Alex Ferrari]

We had great conversations.

[Matt Kahn]

Great conversations, I think. Great guys, guy. But honestly, I didn't have any thoughts about those interviews. It's. When I sent. Stepped into this set and I went, oh, no.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's funny. When you walked in, you were like, you saw my office where, like, the computers are like, so are we doing it in here?

[Matt Kahn]

Is this where her being interviewed?

[Alex Ferrari]

Are we being interviewed in here? Like, is there a mic anywhere? Like, are we. I'm like, no, no, dude.

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[Alex Ferrari]

We got a little something on the other side of the door.

[Matt Kahn]

This is. This is Next Level, Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is Next Level, sir.

[Matt Kahn]

No, Pun intended.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, and congratulations to you. You just. You're a newlywed, if I'm not mistaken.

[Matt Kahn]

Correct? Yeah, I'm the lord of the ring. I'm married. You know, Joy and I got married on St. Patrick's Day, which was a year to the date of the day we met.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Matt Kahn]

And we met at a conference. As you know, we were both speaking on stage. We'd never met each other, and we met. By the end of the weekend, we both had promised each other in our next relationship, if that is, we're going to take it slower than ever. We promised each other, like, silently. I promised myself this. And so I met her. And then by the end of the weekend, I was in a committed relationship, which was the opposite of that declaration.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, you know, a year later, to get married. Pretty, pretty quick, my friend.

[Matt Kahn]

Pretty quick. But, you know, as you get older.

[Alex Ferrari]

Though, you know, when you know, man.

[Matt Kahn]

You know, when you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then you guys are both connected a little bit to the. To the. To the source, if you will. So you guys kind of felt that energy. You're like, why are we wasting time?

[Matt Kahn]

You know, Actually, it's funny, and she tells this story so well, but when we met, we turned around. We met within a few minutes of talking. Literally, our energy fields connected, and it was literally like the universe saying, by the way, you two are together. Yeah. So you're. Figure it out.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're welcome.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. Process a journal about it, whatever you got to do. Pull cards. But you're together.

[Alex Ferrari]

So let me ask you this, though. Have you guys been together in other lifetimes, is the question.

[Matt Kahn]

I think we have. She has more of a sense of that. I have a familiarity with her. There's a felt sense of it. But I went through an experience, and I think this is. Maybe I went through an experience a couple years ago because we've had different interactions over the years. And what's interesting is I go through so much growth and expansion, as we all do, that every time I meet you, I feel like I'm meeting you as a new version of myself, literally. Of course, I meet myself brand new every single day. But I went through this experience many years ago of awakenings where, you know, you remember your past lives and, oh, I think I was this character, and I remember this memory. And then I went through an experience a couple years ago where it was. And I think of levels of consciousness, like floors in a building. So at one floor, I remember my past lives, some of them, at least, and I process that, and I I. I've been here before and I, you know, there is no death. Life continues all these realizations. And then I had this experience of going to an. The next floor. And I suddenly realized that even the experience of my past lives was just a different dream. And I have now have this lived experience where the past lives. I did remember. The wisdom has been integrated, the wounding has been healed. And I actually live as if this lifetime is my first and only lifetime. Which then gave me an actual real experience of what it means to be reborn. Not like in a religious sense, but what that really means spiritually, to be reborn and to literally be in this lifetime as if it's your first and only lifetime. And so when I met Joy, I had. I'm in this place where all the. All the sense of past or even past lifetimes is gone. But there was a familiarity I felt with her for sure. This. There was this. I know you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Where have you been?

[Matt Kahn]

Where have you been?

[Alex Ferrari]

Where have you been?

[Matt Kahn]

Felt it.

[Alex Ferrari]

I felt it with my wife.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Matt Kahn]

I've been. I've been looking since I was 14 years old. And you know every person you know. Are you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Are you the one?

[Matt Kahn]

Are you.

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[Alex Ferrari]

We went through. We went through a lot of frogs, as they say.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's interesting though, when you do meet people like that and it doesn't have to be romantic, other people like that, that just people like, oh, where have you been?

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's this. An automatic connection, an automatic vibe and energy. And there are people that, when you meet them, you're like, oh, get away from me. Get away from me. I don't know what we. What we did in our life. Just go away.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's one person. I won't mention their name, but I just. When I met them, their energy was so heavy. Like other people around me had no problem with her.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But she was the. I was like, yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't. She did nothing to me.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Nothing. No. Not a mean word has ever been spoken to me.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not an action has been done to me.

[Matt Kahn]

Nothing.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there was something about the energy. I was just like, I got to shower. Oh, no, no, no. Do not want to hang out with her anymore.

[Matt Kahn]

I can't.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it goes both ways, right? It goes both ways. So let me ask you, since we're talking about your. Your newfound love.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Your long lost love.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

A lot of people watching are trying to find their divine connection, their connect, their. Their. Their other half in this life. What advice do you have for people who are like, we were searching. I mean, I wasn't. I was 30 when I found mine. And that's. It was a good, good amount of time.

[Matt Kahn]

Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

And. And you just recently found yours.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. At 47.

[Alex Ferrari]

At 47, exactly. So it's different for everybody.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Some people are lucky to find them in high school.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Some people find them at 80.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, which is upsetting sometimes.

[Matt Kahn]

It's a tunnel.

[Alex Ferrari]

As you're going through the tunnel. Come on. I'll see you in the next one.

[Matt Kahn]

So.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what advice do you have for people who are just in. In just looking.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. And looking.

[Alex Ferrari]

And looking. I could tell you one thing, though.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah? Well, I have very specific advice. What would you say?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, the thing I did is like, I stopped looking.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I stopped looking. I'll tell you exactly how it happened.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I been single for three years.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Broke up with a bad relationship, and I was. I did a walkabout in Mexico.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I went down there, went to the pyramids, and I did by myself.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Years ago. Went down by myself and went to all the things I just had, like a walkabout, a spiritual walkabout, even though I didn't know it was a spiritual walkabout, but kind of a spiritual walkabout. And on the plane back, I just said to God, you know, God, it'd be kind of nice if I can find someone who I could love and could love me back. That was the order I placed.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Three weeks later, she showed up. My goodness, Three weeks later she showed up. And we've been together ever since. I love that. So we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. I stopped looking. That was my advice because I was always like, hello, you, you. Are you it? Are you it? Are you it?

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that energy, I don't think, at least for me, it didn't like.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Didn't work for trying to find that other person right. The moment I said I'm good on my own. Yeah, it'd be nice if I could find that other half now. Not like I need you to live more like you compliment the way I'm walking this. I need someone to walk with me, next to me.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

As a journey. Does that make sense?

[Matt Kahn]

It does. I think that part of the confusion and I have a couple very specific pieces of advice on this that I think are maybe not expected, but this, it will be the truth of what I, I've lived out. I think that people think that either looking for your beloved is going to be what causes you to find them. And usually when you're looking for your beloved, you're trying to cast someone into the role they're not meant to play. Right. So then you treat someone who isn't your beloved as your beloved. And you know, we can see all the sitcoms that are created out of that. Yeah. So. So I think there's a an idea that looking for my beloved is going to help me stack the deck. But then the other spiritual superstition is looking is what's blocking me. What I would say is that neither looking is blocking or helping you. It's just what you do to pass the time until the moment arrives. So you had an intuition that said, I'm going to meet my wife soon. And so you process that intuition by declaring, I'd like to meet that one. And then three weeks later, she entered your life. So for me, I look at that, and it's very similar with the law of attraction. There are some people who. Who think they're creating out of thin air. And actually what they're doing is they're intuiting that it's near. And then their declaration that I'm gonna create it or that it's here is actually the acceptance of, I accept this is coming near, and I'm willing to choose that timeline. So I had been looking for my beloved since I was, you know, like 14 years old. And I had, you know, heard so many times from people, oh, don't look for the one. So I would not look for the one as a way of trying to stack the deck to bring the one to me. So one eyes closed, not looking for the one. One eye open, making sure I don't miss her. So still looking by not looking. And I'd been in relationships, and they were all wonderful in preparing me for the kind of relationship I was meant to be in. And I got to a place in my life where I thought, you know, if it's not going to be the kind of relationship that I've always thought I was meant to have, I'm okay alone. I'm successful. I'm good alone. I cook incredibly. I live a very beautiful life. I serve the world, and that's one of my greatest passions. So I let my work and my service to the humanity be my beloved until. Or if it was meant to happen. And when it was getting closer to. Well, as I was kind of out of my last relationship before Joy and I met, what I decided to do. So there's two things that happen. One is I decided based on an intuition that I'm going to live like a single married man, a single husband. So I'm married to my wife. She hasn't materialized in my reality yet. But I'm not going to even go on a date with a woman unless I have a sense that she could actually be the one. Or else I'm going to treat a woman in a way that isn't the role she's meant to play. And I felt like I would be cheating on my wife. And at first I was like, that's either super romantic or I'm doubling down on my weird, insane stuff. But. But it felt really true of. I don't want to Cosplay a relationship. I don't want to role play this. I want to actually either be in the relationship I'm meant to be in or not at all. So I would meet people and there'd be interest and I would know this would be an exploration, but this is not the one for me. And so I wouldn't even engage in a first date because I would only go on a first date with someone I actually thought could be my wife. So it was like a courtship.

[Alex Ferrari]

How and what age did you come up with this?

[Matt Kahn]

I mean, this was a couple. This was maybe five or so years ago. Yeah, so I.

[Alex Ferrari]

You were seasoned at this point?

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was really serious. And that, for me, gave me a sense of closure. And another thing is, when it got close to meeting Joy and I didn't know this, I was taken through an experience with my guides. And they kind of explained to me something really interesting. And they had said, you know, everyone thinks birth is followed by death, and that's why everyone's afraid of death. It's the unknown. But actually death comes before birth, right? There's the death of being in the womb as one is born. There's the death of the death of being the seed before you blossom in the flower. So death actually occurs. You know, Joy would say entropy, that's a beautiful word she uses a lot that I've learned from her. But she would say that, you know, it's a true thing that death occurs in order for birth to dawn. And so my guides had said to me, you're going to meet your beloved, but there's going to be a time where those who come together are separated, whether by death. And. And my guide said to me, Melchizedek said, even if you hold hands and walk into the gates of heaven together, there's going to be a moment somewhere where you go your separate ways. And so I was walked through a process of processing the death of my wife as a way of opening up to being able to receive her in a way where I wouldn't give my power away to the relationship and where having this relationship wouldn't then make me afraid of losing something, or that I'd be a people pleaser, or that I'd figure out, what can I do to keep her. All the things that we do when our ego gets involved. And so I was taken through this really incredible experience of in order to be the version of myself that she's welcoming into her reality. And in order to welcome in the version of her that I'm Welcoming in. I have to allow the she and I that haven't even come to be to perish. And I processed the death of her. And for me, it was the death of not only us, but I had been looking for my wife for so many years. I also processed this may not be what's meant to be for me. So I processed the death of the fantasy of my wife that in order for me to meet her in reality, I have to let the fantasy die. I have to stop keeping myself company with visions of me and my wife. And I had to let the fantasy die. And so I went through this very deep experience of letting the fantasy and whatever will be in reality to die and to go through that. And on the other end of that, I became a very different version of myself who at that point was so whole and was so embodied. And I remember I went to this speaking event in Arizona. I was, you know, going to be a keynote speaker and I had to go to this breakfast thing, you know, and meet all the other speakers, whatever, which. And I remembered I was in such a funny place when I went into that breakfast. I was just like in my mind, like, I hope no one bats their eyes at me. I am so not in this place. And, you know, I'm. I'm done and I'm complete and, you know, all the big declarations. And I walked in and she and I wound up meeting. Like, she turned around and I. And we met and within a few minutes, our energy fields just clicked and we sat down at the same table. We were both joking that this, you know, pre speaker thing felt like traffic school. And what is this? And by the end of that breakfast, we found ourselves just in this, you know, wow. This connection is instantaneous on every level. Not just like the spiritual connection, like I think we're supposed to be together, but, you know, the attraction and everything. And then she was speaking that weekend, I was speaking that weekend. And that weekend we spent getting to know each other. And by the end of the weekend, we were in a committed relationship because we had both said that we both didn't want to explore it unless this was a fully committed journey together, of course. And if I felt that this actually could be my wife.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Matt Kahn]

I don't casually date. I don't do any of that stuff. I want to get to know her and. And I want to focus on that and I want to see what this is. And she was of the same mindset. And so we got into a relationship. We traveled back and forth from Arizona to Seattle a few times. She moved in months later, and on the year anniversary of the day we met, we were married. And it's been the greatest relationship that I've ever known.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

But.

[Matt Kahn]

And I'm sure she'd probably say the same, hopefully. I'm sure she would say this. Alex. I'm sure she would say the same thing. Alex, I. Wait, wait, let me muscle test. Yep, yep. She would. She would say that.

[Alex Ferrari]

But she's real, right?

[Matt Kahn]

I hope so.

[Alex Ferrari]

I hope so. If not, this is a really bad Sixth Sense sequel.

[Matt Kahn]

If not, this is gonna be next level Soul. When spirituality meets success meets delusion. Absolutely. Right. Right. So. But it is the best relationship I've ever been in. And it's because of the journey that I went through to become the version of myself that we were both meant to be together. She had a similar experience of I'm only going to take seriously a man I think is my husband. So we were both living as single married people. And the reason I think that's incredible advice.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's beautiful.

[Matt Kahn]

Is. Thank you. Is because when you. Like, if you're a single person and you're just dating. Well, let me back up and say this. There's a way that the soul connects, and there's a way the ego engages. So it's very telling. So when the. When the soul connects, the soul says, I don't lean in unless it's a yes on every level. The ego says, I lean in as if it's a yes and hope for the best. When I'm not sure. So what the ego doesn't know is the phrase, I don't know. If you hear it. You hear. No, you don't hear. I don't. Yes. So the ego says. Well, but we don't want to just judge the person. We don't want to. Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, she works in the Mafia.

[Matt Kahn]

Who knows?

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, she's. I could change her, right?

[Matt Kahn]

Surely. Sure. They're holding a butcher knife, but I mean. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Over your neck while you sleep. I mean, it's.

[Matt Kahn]

I'm sure it's. Everyone has a tick.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everyone.

[Matt Kahn]

Everyone has the thing they do.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know what.

[Matt Kahn]

That's how they stay safe.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's another thing, though, that, you know, we're joking about it. But the rationalization.

[Matt Kahn]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of the other person. Oh, that's right. And, man, I don't know if you went through that, but you. You start rationalizing. You, like, the fear comes in. Like, I'm afraid of being alone.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's just a butcher knife. I'm sure that she, you know, took the money out of my account for a good reason, whatever that is. And it could be him or her. Everybody, please.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

On both sides. But that rationalization is powerful and gets people into a lot of trouble. Got me into trouble.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I think probably got you into trouble early on. We all rationalize because we either fear of being alone, fear of being rejected.

[Matt Kahn]

Right. Fellow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fear of every. All the fears start coming in, and you in your ego is like, well, this and that. And of course. Of course, you know, and all this kind of stuff is. Is something that we really need to keep an eye on when you're walking in. Like, when I Walked in.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

To my relationship with my wife, it was. It was soul level. There's no question. Before I even understood what that was.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

We just knew it. We both knew it. She couldn't wrap her head around me. I was. We're so opposite.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So she couldn't wrap her head around me because one moment I am like Robin Williams bouncing off the walls. The neck that. Our first date, I just was. And she's like, what is happening? I like him, but Jesus. The next one, I'm sitting in a bookstore with her talking deep things, and she's like, who is this guy? Couldn't grasp it, like. But I walked into it. Just. I just knew. And that's. I think when. You know, when you have that inclination. I just didn't care anymore.

[Matt Kahn]

Right. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm like, I'm gonna be me.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I'm gonna be me, and it's gonna be what it's gonna be.

[Matt Kahn]

Well, I think that's how Joy and I were, you know? I mean, I know we were. We just were ourselves, and we're both very transparent people, so there wasn't, you know, it was more a conversation of, I really like you. How do you feel about me? Right. And it was so refreshing. Right. Because that's how. That's how we both are. We're both just very honest people.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you didn't wait two days to call her back. That's a rule, man. That's a dude rule. Two days if you want to really make her wait five days, because that's smart.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. With a 50% divorce rate.

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[Matt Kahn]

So that. Those are the rules.

[Alex Ferrari]

Those are the guys.

[Matt Kahn]

Those are the rules.

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[Alex Ferrari]

If you want a 50% divorce rate. We're not even getting off the. Not even getting out of the gate.

[Matt Kahn]

Here's the thing about my rules, which. Which are made up. But if I. If I. Like when Joy and I went on a date and. And we parted, I texted her.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Matt Kahn]

Two minutes later. To say I had a great time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[Matt Kahn]

Please let me know when you get home.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Matt Kahn]

I'd love to see you again.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Matt Kahn]

Immediately. Old school. I love it. Immediately. Old school.

[Alex Ferrari]

Love it.

[Matt Kahn]

Immediately. Like, if someone. Here's the. Here's a dating rule. If they can't handle your inner sixth grader, let your inner sixth grader send a text. I like you. That was. I had a great time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Do I have to hit you with a magazine to get your attention?

[Matt Kahn]

Right. Exactly. Don't make me act weird.

[Alex Ferrari]

Don't make me act weird.

[Matt Kahn]

Please. Don't make me.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're dudes and we can act weird.

[Matt Kahn]

We can act weird. But so, so I, you know, so we, we both lived as single married people. We both. And so that's the thing the ego says, if I'm not sure I'm gon saying yes and create a relationship with someone that I haven't really gotten a solid yes around. I'm afraid of missing out, I'm afraid of being alone. And so we cast people in the wrong roles. And that's when you get down into a relationship and one day you wake up and you go, I just can't do it. Or you know, all these different things and you wind up hurting people. And so for me, I just didn't want to follow that energy again. The soul says until I get a yes, I don't lean out of friendship. Like if someone goes, oh, I'm feeling this connection with you. Well, I'm not sure what I'm feeling or so far it's just a friendship. That's the soul and its confidence. The ego says, well I'm looking for a partner.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's one of them.

[Matt Kahn]

This must be a sign.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is clearly God, the sign. There's a sign or spirit told me or this kind of thing. But it's using. The ego is using terminology.

[Matt Kahn]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

To make you. Because you don't feel that.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're thinking that.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah. Self fulfilling prophecy.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's thinking, you're not feeling it. And there is a, there is a distinguation. Distinguation. I can't say the word. You distinguish between those two things.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you. That the mental and the feeling. And boy, I lived up here most of my time.

[Matt Kahn]

Well, and you know when you go from, you know when, when people go from identifying with critical thinking as their mode. Mode of function most of their life. And then you take in spiritual concepts and it goes from critical thinking to spiritually critical thinking. Then the critical thinking mind is the one that thinks it's observing all the signs, but it's actually piecing together a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's a scary thing.

[Matt Kahn]

That's a scary thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Spiritual, what was it? Spiritual.

[Matt Kahn]

The spiritual critical thinking.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you. Spiritual critical thinking.

[Matt Kahn]

It's called, it's also called magical thinking.

[Alex Ferrari]

Magical thinking.

[Matt Kahn]

And what's interesting, and you know, Joy and I both are intuitive, we both.

[Alex Ferrari]

Channel you guys and you guys have the, you could easily fall into that world so quickly.

[Matt Kahn]

We could. But what's interesting is that it is so easy for. And again the ego doesn't do it to hurt anyone. The ego is trying to be a helper. So it goes. You're so into spirituality, and you've convinced me that you're on some sort of mysterious Easter egg hunt. So I'm going to help you find the eggs, even though I'm going to invent them. And it's. Then we train our egos to be these searchers and seekers of spiritual signs. It's different when it's a sign. Like, when it's a sign, it's so obvious. You don't even know what to do with yourself. It's so just like. Like your mind goes blank. There are signs in the universe, but then there are the signs that we are kind of piecing together. Like, you know, oh, I turn on the car radio and there's a song on the radio.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, obviously. I mean. Obviously.

[Matt Kahn]

And if it's Mariah Carey.

[Alex Ferrari]

Double if it's Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or Brian Adams. Or Brian Adams. Back in the day.

[Matt Kahn]

Brian Adams.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everything I do, I do for you.

[Matt Kahn]

He's an archangel, sir.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Yes, he is.

[Matt Kahn]

And I had been someone early in my career where I had gotten. I had understood signs. And I started to know the difference between the universe bringing me a sign and then looking for signs as a way of trying to keep myself. So I. So even in spirituality, we can use fantasy to keep ourselves company as we process the loneliness of our own separation from source. Right. And so I had gotten so whole in myself, even after years and years of awakening.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Matt Kahn]

And when Joy and I met. I always say, you know, we met, obviously we fell in love. But when we fell in love, we didn't just fall in love with each other physically and emotionally and mentally. We fell in love with each other's connection and devotion to source. When we met, we showed each other our devotion to God. And that's when two people attracted to one another became husband and wife in the first 10 minutes of meeting. And that's now our life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely beautiful. I hope that helps a couple people out there. I wish I would have heard this conversation in my 20s or 30s.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Honestly, it's powerful stuff. And so many people are looking. I'd love. I love the idea that this. The spiritual critical thinking.

[Matt Kahn]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that the egos use the spiritual concepts. And you're like, well, you know, I, I did everything I was supposed to do. I burned the sage.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I'm wearing the right crystals. I don't really understand why, you know, you know, the psychic at the carnival said I can do like I'm supposed to have, he's coming or she's coming and I'm supposed to have three kids with them, like that kind of stuff. But when you meet the real one, I think you and I are both lucky enough to have met that person.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

It is so different. It feels so different.

[Matt Kahn]

It does.

[Alex Ferrari]

Than everything else you've experienced prior to that. And even if you can't articulate what it is like when I first saw her, because we were hooked up, my mom hooked us up, my mom set us up.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is a miracle in itself. She was trying to get me married off. And when we, when I saw her coming out of her house, I, There was just, it just, I've seen her, I saw pictures of her. We spoke on the phones is before FaceTime.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I just, I just like, oh, well, there you are. And as, as the conversations kept going, I was like, oh, okay, don't get me wrong. I was still terrified.

[Matt Kahn]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I was still terrified. Terrified. But not that much.

[Matt Kahn]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not, not enough to screw things up, but in the back of my head, like, don't get hurt. Oh my God. This and that. But that's natural, especially when you're younger. Yeah, but when I saw her, I just like, oh, there you are. And as we started talking more and more, you know, we went on our first date, the next day, we went on our second date a few days later, we're going on our third day. It was just like, boom, boom, boom. And within a few months, she moved in and we were off and running. It was, it was, it was scary. But I just like, it's okay. It's just the way it's supposed to be. And I was not next level solely. I was not. I, you know, I, I think I might have started reading Autobiography of a Yogi at that point. I had not gotten through it yet because it was too woo woo for me at that time. So it was not like I had all this stuff in me. I just knew.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's something you can't articulate with the ego. You just can't.

[Matt Kahn]

No, you can't. Well, and so I think the advice, you know, is if there's any part of you that's when you're meeting someone that says I don't know, that means do not move past a friendship or an acquaintanceship until it's a yes. So we don't lean into a yes until it's a yes. I don't know means right now. I don't know means no. And it could change, of course, but I don't know is the same as a no. That's the best advice. The other thing that I think is interesting is that people get caught up in their critical thinking mind. Right. Which. The way I would describe the ego is a tendency to lean on critical thinking as your mind's mode of operation. Right. In spirituality, it's very common to say, oh, the mind's the problem, the mind's not the problem. The mind is a genius creation. Right. If you have a high performance vehicle, but you only know how to drive it in certain modes. You're not going to get the most out of it. So in the same way, the mind is incredible, but when you're only using critical thinking, you're using a very small bandwidth. Right. And so I think instead of trying to go, how do I know this is the one? The one can't be denied.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Matt Kahn]

So if you're not sure, try breaking up with them. I say jokingly at the same time, what Joy and I have neither of us could deny. We even both walked away going, okay, this is really. This is much.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's something here.

[Matt Kahn]

This is much. We're in Sedona. It's probably the vortex. Whatever. Maybe it's the celery juice I promised myself I'd never buy. Maybe it's a combination of things. And we both tried to rationalize our way out of this critical thinking. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Matt Kahn]

But the one can't be denied.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's such a beautiful. And you're absolutely. That should be a T shirt. The one cannot be denied. Absolutely true. Because when you're. When you do meet them, there's this pull. This magnetic thing.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That you have, and you're just like, oh, you're my person.

[Matt Kahn]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you're. You're my person.

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Period.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're my person.

[Matt Kahn]

Got it. That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Got it.

[Matt Kahn]

That's right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now it's not gonna be smooth sailing this entire time. Now, we're human beings. We all have our baggage. We all have our stuff.

[Matt Kahn]

Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

But when you're with them, it just. It's like this. It runs like this a little bit. As opposed to. To Rocky, at least from my experience. And I've been on both versions.

[Matt Kahn]

Absolutely.

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[Matt Kahn]

And I think, you know, the ego will say, who do I desire? Right. That's the framework. Who do I desire? But I think the deeper question is, who do I desire growing with.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

Yeah.

[Matt Kahn]

Joy and I desire growing with each other. You and your wife desire growing with each other. So what Joy and I go through in our lives, I mean, I. I have never wanted children. I. I have never had children. She has two grown children. I am now a stepfather. I'm a step grandfather. I'm the dad to a puppy, a cat, and a dog. And I went from being this guy who was like, you know, I don't think being wolf, baby, you're right. I'm going to dedicate myself to my service to the world. My. You know, help other people with their lives in that way. And I had this list of here's what I won't do. She destroyed that. Because the one can't be denied. And now I'm stepfather. I love the role I'm playing. The children I have, you know, they're grown, they're adults, but we have a great relationship. And I'm finding myself growing in a level of embodiment that is such an interesting integration of my entire journey of awakenings and of waking up and growing up and all these course corrective experiences. And on paper I would have said, nope, nope, nope, nope. But the one can't be denied.

[Alex Ferrari]

Listen, I promise you, if my list was on the table and my wife was looking at it before meeting me, she's like, oh, absolutely. He has a life size Yoda. What's a Yoda?

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah, what's it?

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is a true story, by the way. Yeah, she called her Joda for a while, Joda Yoda. Because she had no. It's like old lady sitting in the corner, I swear to God. And she was talking to a friend of hers and her friends, like you will refer to him as Master Yoda. And she's like, you too, you too. You two all together, you geeks.

[Matt Kahn]

Oh yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh yeah. It's a long story. So on paper, yeah, I didn't definitely make sense in her world. There's no question. Film filmmaker doesn't have a steady job. Goes from job to job, money comes in and out when. No, no, no way.

[Matt Kahn]

No way.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the one, right? Cannot be.

[Matt Kahn]

So if people are going on dates and trying to piecemeal relationships together and trying to make it work. And then the other thing is if you're too busy being in relationship with people's potential and not being aware of the reality. And here's what, here's what I did in my past. I'll be honest with you about this, which is a funny phrase. Be honest. As if I've been lying the whole time. Exactly right.

[Wilmer Valderrama]

But.

[Matt Kahn]

So I'm now going to finally be honest. Finally, after 18 years, I can't stand Joy. If we could just talk for a second. But you know, I would be in relationship with the potential of someone. And what I didn't realize in my personal life, because sometimes in your personal life, the things you learn are different than what you're teaching on stage. Yeah. Took me a second. And what I realized was not only am I in relationship with the potential that this person is not ready to step into being. What potential? I'm actually seeing them is the reflection of my potential.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after A word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Matt Kahn]

I'm actually confusing my light for their reality and then I get in a relationship with them and then all of a sudden the person I thought I knew changes overnight. And it's when life says actually we're just introducing you to the person you confused with the light you see in their presence. And so it's amazing is that when we let I don't know be a no and only yes is a yes, it's easier to feel the oh yeah or the this is the person I meant to be with and I had Gotten to a place where I was not sure I was actually ever going to be in a relationship. So even though Joy and I have met and we're both each other's one, she stepped into the one who was going to be the best version of her in a relationship. It was meant to be. I stepped into the one I was meant to be. Whether the marriage was gonna happen or I was gonna even meet her, the real one that both of us met were within ourselves. So I stepped into being the soulmate. Whether or not my beloved counterpart was meant to show up in this lifetime, she did the same thing that brought us together, but we were also very detached and settled on whether I meet that person or not. Stepping into my fullest potential was. Might just be exactly the love that this lifetime has for me. And I got into a full acceptance of that and very clear. And now our relationship is that we get to receive the love of the other person from these full versions of ourselves. So I think that, you know, when we're looking for our beloved, it's one thing to kind of be less than or insufficient and lonely and then expect another person's going to change how you feel. But if we take the real spiritual journey, the alchemy journey of becoming our highest self and form, that doesn't necessarily mean the next day you're going to meet that person, Right? It means whether you're meant to meet the person or not, the oneness of love that you want to be in union with will be within you either way.

[Alex Ferrari]

Couldn't have put it better myself, sir. Where can. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Matt Kahn]

Well. Well, thank you. By the way, my website's mattcon.org M A T T K A H R if you sign up for the free newsletter we send out, we also send you a link to our free documentary that was created. It's. It's a documentary that you literally experience healing while you watch it. And I think actually the URL for that is mattcon.org love and it's a free documentary that we created as a gift for the world. And, you know, you can check out all the upcoming events that I'm doing, my wife and I are doing together. And really, this is just. It's time for the world to reconnect as one. And whether we're spiritual beings, not spiritual beings, however we identify ourselves to be, we're all included. We all have a vital role in this ascension, and we literally need the light and the Power of every individual to help this world evolve. And so it's incredible when. When, you know, the spiritual community used to be these, like, little fringe groups, but the most intentional spiritual community is earth because we're all spirit. And so it's a beautiful thing to start even just watching the beginning stages of this intentional community remember itself.

[Alex Ferrari]

And if I can end on this, Sir?

[Matt Kahn]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Matt Kahn]

Sniff chef. Yes. Yeah. I'm one of those sniffer chefs. That's how I feel when I say channel. I'm one of those channels. I'm one of those channels.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sniff channel.

[Matt Kahn]

Hashtag sniff channel. It's a thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let's make it a thing, everybody.

[Matt Kahn]

It's a thing now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Brother, you're like a brother from another mother. I appreciate you so much for coming, man.

[Matt Kahn]

Appreciate you, you and much love.

[Alex Ferrari]

I want to thank Matt so much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to the show notes at next level soul.com 450. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on Next Level, Soul TV's app where Soul meets streaming. Watch and Listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Roku, Android TV, Fire TV, LG and Samsung apps anytime, anywhere. Begin your awakening at next levelsoul TV. Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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