Guided by Love from Beyond with Denise Roussel

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: Guided by Love from Beyond with Denise Roselle
Release Date: April 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and transformative episode, host Alex Ferrari sits down with author, grief guide, and spiritual teacher Denise Roselle (aka Denise Roussel) to journey through loss, awakening, and the enduring bonds of love beyond death. Denise candidly shares the profound—and sometimes mystical—experiences that followed the tragic loss of her son, Cory, at age 27. Together, they explore how grief cracked open her spiritual path, how the soul’s journey is never-ending, and practical wisdom for anyone grieving or seeking to connect with their higher self.

This episode covers:

• The journey through traumatic loss and soul awakening
• Denise’s ongoing connection with Cory in spirit
• Deep dives into spiritual concepts: soul blueprints, presence, and self-love practices
• Practical advice for grieving hearts
• Insights from Denise’s books and healing work

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cory’s Life, Struggles, and Legacy

(Starts at 03:47)

• Cory lived a fast-paced, impactful life—more, as Denise puts it, “in his 27 years than most people do in 72.”
• He experienced struggles with addiction beginning in his teens, leading the family out of their “perfect little Christian” lifestyle into unknown territory.
• After a transformative but turbulent journey—including sobriety, community volunteering, a serious bike accident, and even a stint in and out of prison—Cory dedicated himself to personal growth and helping others.
• "I asked Cory after he passed, 'Why did you come?' and he said, 'I came to shake things up and I had to be shaken up in the process.'" — Denise, 04:42

2. Transformation Through Loss

(Begins at 13:40)

• Letters from Cory in prison catalyzed Denise’s own awakening, leading her to radically let go of programmed beliefs and step into the “I don’t know”—embracing spiritual uncertainty and direct experience.
• Cory’s legacy includes prolific writings compiled into books, filled with inspiration, wisdom, and deep compassion for “untouchables” like the homeless.

3. The Transition: Cory’s Passing

(Detailed at 16:40)

• After a series of traumatic events, Cory passed away from a brain bleed in Houston in 2013. The synchronicities around his passing—such as the address “1111 Louisiana Street” and the “Center Point Energy Building”—led Denise to recognize the spiritual significance and cosmic design.
• The initial aftermath brought Denise the “gifts of acceptance and perspective” amid her overwhelming grief.
• "There was still a part of me that was being so helped." — Denise, 21:51

4. Ongoing Communication & Signs from Beyond

(From 26:39)

• Cory began visiting Denise through deeply lucid dream states, often right between sleep and waking. The first profound dream: Cory with a snake, symbolizing her need to “face your fears, Mom, because you have a big job ahead of you and it’s going to require a lot of courage.”
• Physical signs, synchronicities, and gifts—from friends unknowingly acting through spirit to hearing Cory’s voice clearly guiding her in everyday life.
• “I'm closer to him now than I was when he was in his body.” — Denise, 29:44
• She describes her ability to connect with Cory’s essence through intuition: “You are actually part of the one. So what's the message telling you?” — Denise, 40:55

5. Cory’s Legacy of Love and Service

(Around 32:00)

• Cory’s creative acts of kindness in life, such as “reverse panhandling” (giving out money instead of begging) and “free answers” signs, became part of his memorial celebration, showing his desire to shift paradigms of love and acceptance.

6. Practical Guidance for Grief & Healing

(Begins at 50:47)

• Step One: Stillness. Rather than numbing or distracting, Denise recommends gentle stillness, even just five minutes a day in the same chair—allowing the emotional “sand” to settle.
• She prefers the language of “stillness practice” over meditation, to honor the gentleness and lack of effort required.
• “The first thing is to just take some time every day to slow down." — Denise, 51:00
• Tips for beginners: Use Insight Timer, don’t worry about “doing it right,” and increase time only when ready.

7. Making Peace with All Emotions (The SPACE Method)

(At 70:27 onward)

• Denise’s book and approach—Creating a Soulful SPACE—uses this acronym:
  • S: Stillness
  • P: Presence
  • A: Authenticity & Acceptance
  • C: Connection with Compassion
  • E: Empathy
• She guides the audience (and Alex) through a practical visualization for working with “inner children” carrying difficult emotions—building trust by welcoming and acknowledging them.
• “This is how we connect with these parts of ourselves. Think about it—this human parts of yourself suffering so much and we don't want to have anything to do with them.” — Denise, 88:28

8. Soul Blueprints, Why Loss Happens & The Larger Purpose

(59:34, 61:47, and 65:59)

• Denise and Alex discuss the concept of the soul blueprint: that our lives—including loss, even traumatic deaths—are planned for the soul’s evolution and collective growth.
• “Each soul has a job here to do. And no matter what their exit point looks like... know that they are playing a critical part in the evolution of the whole.” — Denise, 64:39
• Denise sees her journey with Cory as a multi-lifetime partnership, each taking turns in roles of parent, child, and guide, for mutual growth.

9. Practical Advice for Grievers Not Ready for Spirituality

(50:14 and 50:47)

• For those not spiritually inclined, she emphasizes practical steps: slowness, presence, and gentle self-acceptance—simply sitting with your feelings, allowing grief, and seeking safe support.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He lived more in his 27 years than most people did in 72.” — Denise, 04:43
• “I ask Cory after he passed, 'Why did you come?' and he said, 'I came to shake things up and I had to be shaken up in the process.'” — Denise, 04:42 & 41:04
• “I just decided, I am going to let go of everything I have ever believed... and I am going to go to the I don’t know.” — Denise, 13:40
• “He turned his jail cell into an ashram, a temple, a college classroom, a psychotherapist office...” — Denise, 10:30
• “I’m closer to him now than I was when he was in his body.” — Denise, 29:44
• “The first thing is to just take some time every day to slow down. And I've been encouraging people who've never meditated before to take five minutes...” — Denise, 51:00
• “We have to be start slow... slow down and acknowledge and say, you're welcome here.” — Denise, 75:55
• “We're all God in costume. We're all playing a role as part of the whole, even if that role is being the villain.” — Denise, 65:59
• “When we’re able to love and accept our fear as it arises, poof! It morphs back into the love that it is.” — Denise, 69:15
• “How do you define God or Source? ...Love.” — Denise, 89:49
• “What is the purpose of life? ...To live it fully.” — Denise, 91:04

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:47 – Alex and Denise begin Cory’s story and struggles
• 04:42 – Cory’s transformational journey and Denise’s description of his purpose
• 13:40 – Denise’s own awakening through Cory’s letters and teachings
• 16:40 – The day Cory passed and its extraordinary synchronicities
• 21:51 – Receiving acceptance and perspective as spiritual gifts after her loss
• 26:39 – Initial “visits” and lucid dream guidance from Cory in spirit
• 32:00 – Cory’s life of service and creative compassion
• 50:47 – Advice and practices for grief: Stillness and presence
• 70:27 – The SPACE formula for inner healing and self-love
• 75:57 – Guided acknowledgment of sadness—practical exercise
• 88:51 – Compassion for all parts of yourself; integration and empathy
• 89:08–91:16 – Rapid fire questions on fulfillment, advice, God, liberation, and life’s purpose
• 91:16 – Where to find Denise’s work, books, and grief support resources
• 93:39 – Final message for grieving hearts

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Further Resources & Where to Find Denise

Website: creatinganewearth.org
Support for bereaved parents: healingheartsupport.com
Books:

• Creating a Soulful Space (new release)
• Beyond the Space (classic; contains Cory’s writings)
  Find them on Amazon and via links in the episode notes.

Free Support Document: Linked in Denise's Linktree in the episode notes
Facebook group & social media: Accessible via website and Linktree

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Final Message

Denise’s parting words echo the episode’s spirit of radical compassion and reassurance for those grieving:
"My heart goes out to all those people who are suffering so deeply and grieving the loss of their loved one. You're not alone. We're here with you. All is well. It's okay. It's okay." — Denise, 93:39

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Episode Takeaway

Whether your grief is raw or your curiosity about soul journeys is just beginning, this conversation is a testament to love’s endurance—offering both mystical possibility and grounded, practical help for the healing path.

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[Denise Roselle]

Denise. I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for having me here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming. We met at the Ascension conference.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for coming to the conference. And then you reached out afterwards, and we're like, yeah, you think you'd make a great guest, a great conversation. So thank you for being here.

[Denise Roselle]

I'm excited to be here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. So much. So you've gone through a few things.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

In life, it's been epic. It's been a pretty epic journey for you. You've gone through arguably, I'd argue, to say probably the greatest pain a person can have by losing a child. I'm a father. I can't even comprehend. And how you dealt with that. We're going to talk about how you dealt with your son Cory's passing, his journey, his spiritual journey. But can you tell me, can you share to me what happened with Cory and how his life was pretty. He was sure he was 27. I think he passed. So it was a short life, but it was a pretty impactful life. And he went through a lot of enlightening things in dark places. So can you share with the audience what he went through?

[Denise Roselle]

First of all, I want to say that he lived more in his 27 years than most people did in 72. And so he's a pretty, pretty wild guy. In one of his letters, he wrote that all life is cyclical. And he drew this little indulating thing. And he said. And then he drew one that was just like this. He goes, this is my life. I'm going through the cycles very rapidly as I approach the end. And so for him, he was totally, like, light years beyond where most people are. And he was always outside of the box. And as a Teenager, he began getting involved with alcohol, drugs and wow, talk about crazy. It totally shook up our family. We had this nice little perfect little Christian family. Everything was just peachy keen fun. I was this perfectionist, you know, I got to make sure everybody's going to do everything okay. And ah, and by the way, I asked Corey after he passed, why did you come? And he said, I came to shake things up and I had to be shaken up in the process. And so it started when he was 16 and went through some crazy stuff and he wound up going to rehab and we muddled through and 2009 he made it here to Austin, Texas. He found the ecstatic dance community, which big part of my life and I wouldn't be here without it. And he found sobriety and he found home and community and his life completely changed and he began to work and volunteer and endear himself all over the community. And after about a year he had a bicycle accident on the corner of Barton Springs Road and back then it's as immortan now, but it used to be Robert E. Lee. So think about this Robert E. Lee, that toxic masculine energy and Barton Springs, that divine feminine energy right at that intersection. He was going, he was on a bike ride, group bike ride, and he was coming through the light and somebody failed to yield on a left turn. His head impacted the windshield, the window of the car and it knocked him out and cut him from here to here. He survived it, but that head injury put him in a tailspin. And two, three months later he said, I got to leave Austin and I'm going to take a craigslist ride and go to San Diego. And so he went to San Diego where he lived homeless on the streets and beaches of San Diego for two, three months. And then he decided, ah, I'm going to go to Tijuana to get some cheap motel and food. Well, the coyotes found him and those are people that transport people illegally. And they said, hey, you want a job? Oh, yay. And they said it's a ticketable offense. Oh. He said, well, great, you know, I get to bring somebody in and I get to go home. Well, he did it once and then they said no, we want you to keep doing it. And you know, you can't really say no to those people. And so he said I don't want to. He said, well, we're not paying you until you do it again. So he did it again and they set him up to get caught. So he spent four months in downtown Federal Correction center in downtown San Diego. And during that time, I put together this memorandum, 70 page memorandum that had letters from family, friends, workers, volunteers, pictures of the accident, this sort of thing, and walked into that courtroom for the sentencing and the judge said, this is the most extensive memorandum that I've ever experienced in my career. And I could see the nature of the defendant doesn't fit the, the nature of the crime, vice versa. And basically he said, I'm going to give Mr. Russel time served and six months house arrest at his parents house in Baton Rouge. Now, mind you, that's a very toxic place for him to be. And also living with us, which wasn't exciting. And he wanted to go home to his place, they wouldn't allow him. So he spent the next year getting just more and more angry that, yeah, they were just ruling him and he failed a drug test and so they revoked him. But three days before they revoked him, I had been praying. I just had it dropped into my heart to pray for him to experience forgiveness. And I had my husband at the time and my sister praying. And one Saturday, like, supernaturally, he just woke up and he had this supernatural experience of forgiveness which he tried in all these step programs but was never successful. And it put him in this place of unshakable peace. Three days later, the federal marshals come in and they said, we could do this the hard way or we're going to throw out all your stuff and kick in your teeth, or we can do this the easy way where you just get your stuff together and we'll go on our business. So got his stuff together and there he goes. And he even smiled for the mug shot because he's like, nothing could shake me. All is well. And he said, I. I feel like I won the lottery. Because he had decided he was going to transmute his prison sentence into a time of personal transformation. Wow. So he turned his jail cell into an ashram, a temple, a college classroom, a psychotherapist office, and he began to read prolifically and write and meditate and, and share.

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[Denise Roselle]

So meanwhile, he's writing all these letters and he's sending me letters. Like, we're all connected now. Mind you, I was a Christian and I was like, that's new information for me. Wow. And then he like maybe 10 times asked me to read the book A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle, which I did. And then two or three months after I read it, I just decided time. I am going to let go of everything I have ever believed. Good, bad, right, wrong, tradition, religion. And I am going to go to the I don't know and I'm going to tell you. I felt like I got flung off into outer space and I didn't know anybody besides Corey, who was living like that. But there it went. And so, even though we didn't say this at the time, but he became my guru.

[Alex Ferrari]

But why did you do that? What caused you to make such a drastic change in your life? Because as a recovering Catholic, I understand how that is. You're taking a massive leap into the unknown. And my transition was years, little by little, little by little. I just didn't one day publicly go. I renounced, like, none of that ridiculous. But I did it slowly. You seem like you just did it overnight, almost cold turkey.

[Denise Roselle]

I did.

[Alex Ferrari]

You walked away from your programming.

[Denise Roselle]

There was. There was. By the time that this happened, I was the only one going to church by myself. Instead of my family all being. We all kind of went in different directions, and something happened with the pastor, and I was just like, I am done with all. All of y'. All. I don't like the control that's happening here. And I just said, this is my time. And I think Corey was a big part of that because he was writing all this stuff and telling me. I mean, he was reading, like, read a hundred books, and he was telling me all this stuff. So I'm like, it's time. And. Yeah. So it changed the course of my life. It changed the course of his life. And little did I know that he was actually preparing me for his exit. So he spent a year, and he lived for another year and a half. The six months. The last six months were this really special place. It's just enlightening and blossoming.

[Alex Ferrari]

Was he in prison this entire time?

[Denise Roselle]

No, he got out in 2013, and he lived in 2012. The end of 2020. 2013. He lived for a year and a half.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. Out in the world.

[Denise Roselle]

And the last six months. And he was living in Austin, and the last six months were just pretty profound. And he was just also a very prolific person. He did a lot of writing. I actually have that book which is the. Yeah, the first one has probably 30, 40% of his work, is a whole nother book that I published right after that. Edited and compiled letters from prison that. I mean, this is like, he left this profound legacy and talking about everything you can think of under the sun. So, anyway, going back to the story here I was spending time with him, traveling back and forth to Austin, him visiting me, and just like his little disciple, and he was planning a visit to come see me. He lived in Austin. I lived in Baton Rouge at the time. And he was stopping in Houston. He was going to spend a few days to visit with his best friend that he hadn't seen since he had been in. In prison that he hadn't seen for two years. Well, he was supposed to catch a bus ride to Baton Rouge, but he wound up getting. It was the wee hours of the morning. He wound up getting robbed and I think hit his head. This is things that I've had to deduce myself from my own investigation. But he wound up getting a brain bleeding. And so, you know, he'd had a traumatic injury before. And so this just like triggered him and it wigged him out. And then he kind of ran down. It was downtown Houston. He ran down a couple of blocks and there was a parking garage. It's a Sunday morning, like at 4:30 in the morning. And he didn't have. It was. Had the gate. And so there's this little knee wall space that he could jump down into the parking garage, which he did. And. And he went down three levels. There was this big yellow like emergency phone and there was a curb next to it. And he collapsed before he could call anyone. And then he crawled over and laid down what I call his final savasana. And he wasn't found until 18 hours later by the security guard. And it's really interesting that each soul, they have their specific exit points. And he could have died before then, but actually when he wigged out and he was running, he ran in front of a car. He could have gotten killed then, but it was all this perfection. The address where he died was 1111 Louisiana Street. By the way, when he passed, it was my awakening. So we were as souls doing this work together for many lifetimes. And so 1111, new beginnings. I'm in Louisiana. Boom. And the name of the building is Center Point Energy Building. Unbelievable. Yes. So I didn't find out till the next day, and I got a call from the Harris County Medical Examiner's office. I had been spending the whole day trying to find him because he didn't show up. And they called me and I said, is my son dead? And they said yes. And they didn't give me much information. I just was like, oh, my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. They said, do you want me to call you back? I said, no. And then I found out it was a homicide investigation. But honestly, I don't think anybody was trying to kill him. I just wanted his stuff. And I think it was just an accident. Yeah. But nonetheless, that began this profound journey, grief journey. And I'm going to pause a minute before we go on, because you. You may have a question or two before it gets really interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

What I find fascinating is that with his own transformation and his own awakening, he was preparing you for what he was about to do. So when this happened to you, you were arguably in a much better place.

[Denise Roselle]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Than you would have been in the old world of, you know, in your old programming and your old belief system. That would have probably brought you. I'm sure this brought you to your knees, too. No question.

[Denise Roselle]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it would have been a much. It would have, I think, a deeper, darker pit.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

For you to climb out of if you hadn't have had this time to kind of transition a bit or awaken a bit more than we thought.

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly. In fact, it was as if. And I was receiving this transmission that, that he was saying, I'm finished now and I'm going to the other side where I can be of more service. And I received two gifts almost immediately. And they're very profound gifts that some people who've experienced this kind of trauma may never experience. And they're the gifts of acceptance and perspective. I knew something bigger than his death was going down. Even though I was just like, completely sucker punched. Whoa. What just happened? There was still a part of me that was being so helped.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Denise Roselle]

And then he died on a Sunday. We found out on a Monday. So on Wednesday, the family gathered to go see his body before he was cremated. And so we each decided to go in individually and spend time. And then at the end, there's these chairs and he's there and everybody's sitting in the chair and I'm standing there next to him. And all of a sudden I just felt this, like, whoosh rushed, like cold water running up and down my body. And I started laughing and crying at the same time. And my family's over there. They think I'm losing it. And I just looked up to them and I said, he's not here. He's here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, that must have gone over well.

[Denise Roselle]

They just looked at me like I was crazy. But that was only the first of many crazy things that, you know, as

[Alex Ferrari]

you were going through this after the cremation, after he's, you know, been put to rest in a sense. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. What was your weeks after that? Because you've. You're unique in the sense that you're going through this awakening and this transition while dealing with some of the greatest grief any human being can ever have. It's difficult enough to awaken without this. How did you. What was your weeks and months after his. His after the transition?

[Denise Roselle]

I think we need to go into days because the day after that happened that next morning right in that space right before you wake up, you know when you have this really lucid dreams in between. Yeah, yeah. So he started appearing to me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, now when you say appearing, do

[Denise Roselle]

you mean it wasn't a vision with my eyes, but it was in.

[Alex Ferrari]

In the room or in your mind's eye?

[Denise Roselle]

In my. Like a dream In a mind's eye. It's a dream. Yes. He doesn't. He hasn't appeared to me in like a vision walking into the room. But he's done a lot of things in the physical and he's also. Most of the their dream states and some of the dreams are that. The lucid dreaming that. So this one was really profound and it was, it set me on my course. He had this huge snake wrapped around his arm and he was holding the snake's head in its hands and the snake had his fangs bared and I Said, is it poisonous? And he said, no. And the implication was, it's not going to kill you. And he put the snake's head right in my face. And I screamed, no, Corrie. And I woke up crying. And I knew exactly what he was telling me, which was he said, I need you to face your fears, mom, because you have a big job ahead of you and it's going to require a lot of courage. From that day forward, I made it a life's mantra to face my fear. Allow and open to love. That sets the stage for this amazing, epic healing journey.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when, as you're going through all of this, what's going on with the family, what's going on with the friends, what's going on with the colleagues? Like, what's happening?

[Denise Roselle]

Everybody went in all different directions. And it's a very isolating experience. I'm not going to lie to you.

[Alex Ferrari]

No one's supporting you.

[Denise Roselle]

Well, I had a best friend that. Yeah. And then I got other friends here and there. But, like, my husband emotionally shut down.

[Alex Ferrari]

And how did he do? Because he wasn't going through this awakening.

[Denise Roselle]

No, not. Not yet. No. And yeah, he basically. He was already pretty shut down and he just like, shut down. And he was scared because he saw me going through this transformation. Like, I lost him. I'm gonna lose her too. So it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy. And that's why I felt so supported to have Corrie, because that. That was just the beginning of the journey. He was. He's just been there. He's an ever present source. He's like, I'm closer to him now than I was when he was in his body.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah. So as this is all evolving and the experiences were so powerful, that's really what carried me through. It really wasn't a person in a flesh and body. It was the supernatural experiences I was having on the other side with him and other, other beings.

[Alex Ferrari]

So tell me some of these. Tell me which prolific one or profound

[Denise Roselle]

one that you had with him or with another? Okay, well, this one's I'm going to fast forward to a few years ago. I'm just laying in my bed meditating and I do. I enjoy this meditation where I imagine myself as this energy of love. And I start feeling love and then I start expanding myself and I'll expand into the room and then I'll go beyond into the city and et cetera, till I'm going around the world and just feeling the feeling of love. And all of a sudden I notice myself like, in this iridescent blue bubbles. Like they're everywhere. And then I see. I didn't know till afterwards it was Mary Magdalene. She came across like this. She. She had long hair. She went like this. And she said, come with me. And I followed her. And then the next thing you know, I became this ocean of love. We were just. There was no body. It's just that.

[Alex Ferrari]

And this is happening where? In the dream state or.

[Denise Roselle]

No, I was always meditating.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you're in the meditation. Yeah, yeah, those are.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah, it was a. Yeah. So anyway, so I just was in that spirit place of pure bliss and loving, experiencing my true essence. That was amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

It feels a little overwhelming.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah, it was just. Yeah, it's just amazing. So Corrie was continually. There wasn't like, weeks going by before he. Especially in the beginning. I mean, he's like Johnny on the spot and so creative with how he was going to support me. So a few days after we had our first memorial, five days after we found out he passed, we had one in Baton Rouge and then two weeks later in Austin. So we had this amazing, epic memorial, which I actually spoke for, like, 25 minutes. Most of it was his stuff that I was sharing. And we did a lot of really wild stuff because Corey, he was really trying to shift paradigms. And I would like to share this because it's part of his journey. And that is he had some really creative ways to show love and compassion and to really shift people's thinking about the homeless, the untouchables. And so one of them was, he had this cardboard sign that he wrote on there, reverse panhandling. And he stood on the corner, and when people came by and said, what is that? He threw money in their car and walked away laughing. Yeah. And another time when he was down there in San Diego, he was really wanting to engage with people. So he's sitting on a sidewalk holding up a sign that said, free Answers. Oh, you talk about, be vulnerable. People come by, they chuckle, and they said, answers to what? He said questions. So soon this woman stumbles up and she's obviously drunk. She sits there and she looks at him. She says, will I get my children back? He looked at her with such eyes of compassion. And he said, the fear that you have is preventing you from getting what you want. You spent some time with her. She invited him to spend the night on her sofa that night. But he was just that kind of person that he had posted little tear off flyers of free compliments around downtown Austin just to make people feel good. About themselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's beautiful.

[Denise Roselle]

So we did those sorts of things at the memorial. Yeah. And we also, I didn't bring it. But those last six months before he passed, I told you, he called me one day and he said, mom, it is our responsibility, it's our due diligence to share our life's inspirations and truths by which we live. And so he started this project which basically encouraging people to document in a, just in the document what was important to you. And he had a bunch of quotes and exposes in his project.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Denise Roselle]

And so when I received that I, I said, oh, I think I can make that into a little book where I put the quote on one side and the expose on the other. And I was just gonna, like from Office Depot, I knew how to put it together, so I formatted it. And his birthday is August 22nd. By the way, he died in October. October 26th. So a couple months before he passed on his birthday, I hand him these books, and he's like, I wrote a book and I didn't even know it. Two and a half months later, he passed, and we distributed, like, over 500 copies of that book. We had it printed within the five days to distribute at the memorial. Doing the proofing and everything. Unbelievable.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's crazy.

[Denise Roselle]

Unbelievable.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's crazy.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah. So the Wednesday afterward, I'm on my way to Austin for the next memorial. And it was another one of those lucid dreams right before I woke up. And he called me on the phone, and I swear it felt exact. I heard his voice, just like I hear your voice. And I said, cory, you're here. And he said, I got you something for your birthday. Which was the day after the Austin memorial would have been. It was a few days before that date. Well, I said, wow, wonder what that's about. So the Austin memorial afterward, one of the people, which is actually the ecstatic dance facilitator, his name's Oscar, he comes up to me, and he's got this lovely green and blue scarf around his neck. And he says to me, I went to this store. I just went in there. The name of it is called 10,000 villages. He said, I didn't need anything, but I just felt inspired to go in there. And he said, I saw this scarf, and it reminded me of Cory. Mind you, it wasn't cheap. And he's taking it off as he does it, and he puts it on my neck.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow, that's beautiful.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

How does Cory connect with you today? How is he guiding you?

[Denise Roselle]

Just. Just the same way your intuition. I can ask him questions, and he talks to me back. He sometimes still shows up in dreams, but so.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because a lot of people will have this question, how do you know it's not. The voice that you're hearing is not your own mind? And it's versus his. His energy coming through.

[Denise Roselle]

So, you know, we have these funny ideas about life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Many, many.

[Denise Roselle]

And so, yes, we're here in this individuated fractal versions of source as you go up. Yeah, there's Archangel Michael and Mary and all these beings, but the truth is, is that we're one. When you get up there. It's one. So it's really kind of silly to worry. Oh, is that just me? Am I making that up? You can think that, but you are actually part of the one. So what's the message telling you? Yeah, but actually there's so many things that he's said to me. I'd like to share a few of them, please. They're like one liner truths that have helped me across the board and it's not things that I would normally come up with myself. One of them was that thing when I asked him, why did you come? And he said, I came to shake things up and I had to be shaken up in the process. Another time I got off the phone with a very challenging conversation with a family member and I'm like, oh, Corrie, what do I do with that? And he said, that's her reality. Let her have her reality.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course. Wow.

[Denise Roselle]

We don't have to have it our way. We don't have to have people think like us.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[Denise Roselle]

If they think that, you know, Martians are going to land on the White House lawn and invade the United States, let them. Just let them. It's not your business.

[Alex Ferrari]

As long as they're not hurting anybody.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah, yeah. And really just coming back to myself,

[Alex Ferrari]

well, it's about meeting people where they are. Yes, it's about meeting people because there's certain, you know, you. I deal with it with the show all the time. Some people will watch something that's so far beyond their programming that they lash out. I'm like, this is the devil's work. You talking to demons. I'm like, these demons are horrible at their job because all we're talking about is love and connection. So. But they can't do the disconnect. But yet what I always find fascinating is they're watching. So if you're watching this kind of. Because there's a lot of content out there that I just would never watch.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I wouldn't go into someone else's show and just go, this is wrong. How dare you? Like, just nothing I would do. I'm like, you do you. I'll. We'll do awesome.

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly. But how are you hurting anybody?

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. If you want to, if you want to have your belief system, that's fine. It's silly. All of it is stories.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes, it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's all stories that we have been either programmed when indoctrinated to our family, our friends, our society, our countries, our religion. These are just stories. That's all it is. And our belief system Is based on the stories that we believe in, you know, so if my story is like, my God is the only God.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

He has feathers. He lives in the sky. I mean, whatever the story is, whatever the thing is. And you come along and you tell me, well, my God is all loving and we're all connected in one, and I completely love you and accept you. I'm like, I can't have that. I must kill you now. Because if your God exists, then my God can't exist. And if my God can't exist, my entire foundation gets shaken to the point where I need to. The equilibrium of my universe has been thrown off. Whack. I must kill you and people like you to make. To reaffirm my story is the right one.

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Coming from a place of ego.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. And we're entrenched in that illusion of separation. Correct. As humans. And that's our identity. So it's really like, my identity's at stake here. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's the thing. And when. And when people challenge that indirectly, just by existing. Just by existing. You know, as a. As a Catholic, I always. Always ask the priests in Catholic school, I'm like, so we're the chosen ones. Right? But I heard the Jews were the chosen ones. Or I heard these other groups who were chosen like, no, no, no, no, they're all wrong. Fascinating. We're the chosen ones. I'm like, okay, so where are the chosen ones? So what happens to the other 4 billion people at the time on the planet who don't believe in Jesus, don't believe in Catholicism? What, all the Buddhists? How about all the Hindus? There's a few of them out there. Do they all just go to hell and. Well, that's our job to change, to spread the word of the gospel and convert everybody to our belief system. I was like, wow.

[Denise Roselle]

And I was one of those.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, of course, of course, of course. And you're like, huh, Isn't that amazing? It just find it so fascinating how people's. How people's belief systems. And I'm assuming you ran into it with your. With your family and friends that their belief systems could not accept anything like this.

[Denise Roselle]

Well, one of my kids became Catholic as an adult. He did not appreciate what I was doing.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the thing is that he probably is he.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So he probably went into Catholicism for. He was searching for something. And he was the brother of Corey.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah. And Corey traumatized him.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. So he needed some story.

[Denise Roselle]

He needed something to keep him safe.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct. And by being in this community, by believing in that story, in those stories, it gave him sense of foundation, of safety.

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then mom's going off, you know, meditating crazy says that she's talking to my dead brother.

[Denise Roselle]

And they lost their brother and now they lost their mom. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which it's fascinating how human beings react to grief, which is what we should talk about next. So many people listening right now have lost someone. Could be their child or could be their significant other. It could be a dear friend. But they're going through grief and they're watching this to see how they can transcend that grief. What advice do you have for someone who's going through or has gone through very deep traumatic grief? Either the same as you, Because I do believe it's one of the worst pains on the planet to lose a child. Because it's unnatural when you lose grandma. It's part of the natural cycle. But when you lose, when you lose a child and it's still not easy when grandma goes.

[Denise Roselle]

But you don't expect it.

[Alex Ferrari]

And. Yeah, but when, but when you know your grandma's 95, you're like, right.

[Denise Roselle]

But you don't expect when your kid dies.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely not. Or your spouse or something like that. That's not the way it should be. Again, holding onto what you believe should happen as opposed to accepting what is happening. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Can you explain, can you give some advice on, on how to deal with this grief for people who might not be ready to go down the path you went down as far as an awakening or, or even believe anything you're saying? This wacky crazy story that you've thrown out there, you're talking to your son who's on the other side. This is insane. Beyond that, just as a practical human to human. How did you, how would, how would you advice would you give to people dealing with this right now?

[Denise Roselle]

Well, I'm glad you asked that. And by the way, I do have and you'll find in the comments they'll have a link tree. I have a, a support document to help about this process.

[Alex Ferrari]

Great, great. And we'll put that in the show notes.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. So the very first thing is to slow down and get still. Oh, that's so scary.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because you have to face the fangs.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

You have to face yourself. You have to face your fear.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. Yes. So most of the time, and I see this over and over, people do the opposite. They get really busy to distract themselves or the alternative, numb themselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

Self medicate.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah. And there's nothing wrong with those things, but you may get tired of it and you may be tired of suffering and pushing away those feelings. The absolute first thing to do is to get still and to learn how to start being present. So that was something Corey had already taught me and modeled. And I like to use a stillness practice as opposed to. I mean I still. Meditation practice is great, but I feel there's a lot of energy behind the word meditation and ideas of what it should be. I would like to talk a little bit about stillness. When Corey passed, I'd already started meditating. Sporadically And I pretty quickly realized, uh, oh, I got to get really still and slow down a lot. And so what stillness does is it calms the overstimulated nervous system. So suppose in this glass of water that I put some sand in there and I stirred it all around. Well, you wouldn't be able to see through the glass, but over time it's going to settle down and now you can see clearly. So I like to think about this. Here we are as a divine, limitless being says love itself, the most powerful force that exists. And here we are as humans, feeling very separate from the very love that we are going through all this trauma and what we're doing here is we're bridging this gap. So as we're going through our healing journey and we're able to meet this human that feels so separate from love, we're like, boop, boop, boop. And so we're bridging that gap. And the first thing is to just take some time every day to slow down. And I've been encouraging people who've never meditated before to take five minutes. When you first wake up in the morning, sit in a chair, the same chair, with your feet planted on the ground and your back straight. I don't recommend you sitting in a chair in a cross kneed pose because that's not comfortable and you're not going to do it. We want this to be so natural, like you're brushing your teeth. You don't even think about it. Just get up, you sit in that chair for five minutes. I like to use an app called Insight Timer. And on there it has a little bing starting and an ending bell and it has little. You can put the ambient music. What happens when you hear these sounds? Your body goes into a parasympathetic response, bypassing the brain to say, it's okay now you can settle down, be safe. So you sit there. Don't even worry about not thinking. Don't worry about anything. You could be thinking about the grocery list. You could be thinking about how mad you are at somebody. Don't worry about it. Just sit there. So you can't do that. Wrong. You really can't. So start with five minutes. When five minute feels completely comfortable, add a few more minutes and then keep building that practice. One of the things that's so important to me is that I've learned how to be super gentle and kind with myself. Because your higher self is not going to force you to do things. That's your spiritual ego. So everything I do I do not force myself to meditate. I get to do that. And I don't try to make myself be with my feelings when I'm not ready. That's an act of aggression. I just sit there and allow the sand to slow settle. It's kind of like if we were here and there was, like, this kid throwing themself on the floor, throwing a temper tantrum, we wouldn't be able to hear each other, and you wouldn't be able to talk to that kid. You got to let him just let it go. And then later. Yeah, and then you're going to say, hey, come over here. Tell me what was going on. Come sit on my lap. So first thing is that stillness. And I like to encourage people to ask yourself, what is my end goal? Is it 10 minutes a day? Is it 20 minutes a day? Not everybody needs to do an hour a day. I do, but I do that. But that's my dharma. So keep it simple. 10 minutes a day is amazing. And then if you get triggered through the day, go find yourself a place to sit down for five minutes. First step.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's absolutely true. I mean, I like that. I liked your positioning of stillness versus meditation, because meditation does come a lot of baggage of what should be, what it shouldn't be, all that kind of stuff. As you know, I meditate as well every day. I try to at least. At least an hour, hour and a half, sometimes even two. My goal is three hours a day. As my spirit guide, Connie tells me all the time, you need to meditate longer, longer, longer. But that's my path. It's not for Everybody. Some people, five minutes is a beginning point. 20 minutes is fine. It's just enough time for you to settle the body. Settle them. It's not the body. Settle the mind, and the body will follow. Yeah, I like that. I like the stillness aspect of it.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. And I think what we're doing is we're here to remember who we are and why we came. And this story of Denise in this body, in this story is so loud and so programmed into us that we think we're just this human flailing around. And truth is, is that, oh, that's such a tiny little part of who we are. So as we keep opening to the love that we are, we begin to identify as love. Sent here, not sent here, volunteered to come here to take care of this little human that feels so separate from love and life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Denise, let me ask you, I love you to touch on this, because again, people watching who are going through grief they want to understand why. Why did it happen? Why me? Why him or her? Why did this? What's the purpose of all of this? And I love to put it in the lens of the soul blueprint, the soul plan that we come down here. You've mentioned kind of hinted upon that Cory and you have been doing this dance for many lifetimes and sometimes you might be the parent. This time you're the parent, he's the child. Sometimes she's the parent, you're the child. And all the different parts of that soul family that you are in. Can you explain to people in just your experience from speaking to Corey, and I'm assuming at one point or another you had the question why? Why did this happen? Why did I have to go through this? Why did he have to go through all of this and explain the soul blueprint a little bit to people who might not be in, not might be, might not know about it.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Denise Roselle]

When we're looking at life through the human lens, it's kind of like this going around, I get to only see and it's even like flashes of that we see it so limited. And then as we begin, the scales start to come off and we begin to say, oh, there's a little more to life. We begin to have a wider vision and we see the bigger picture. It's kind of like getting in the helicopter, you know, if you're, if you're on the stage and we're having this big old argument, this big old thing, oh, it looks bad and you look so scary and you hurt my feelings. And then, then if I'm over there and I'm watching the movie and I already, I know what's going on. That's just the part before, you know, we make up and then we go off into the sunset. Okay. So, yeah, I think it's so traumatic, especially losing one of your kids or, you know, people that are close to you, that we're entrenched in this viewpoint that's so limited. But when you start relaxing and this is not to say that when you expand and you see a picture that you can't feel and experience being human. Oh, I still can feel all those feelings and see that viewpoint, but it's like I'm being the actress as well as the director and producer and creator, scriptwriter of this play. And so I would like to talk a little bit about Corey's journey and other people's journey and especially when it comes to people who've, whose person has died by suicide or drug overdose or things like that, which we have so many stigmas. It's just like compounding the trauma when your person dies by suicide because you already feel isolated because you lost your, your kid and then the next thing you know that people think something wrong with your kid, that he, he or she did that, it's like, wow, we're so crazy. It don't work that way. It don't work that way at all. Yeah. Each soul has a job here to do. And no matter what their exit point looks like, no matter what Their life looks like from the human lens, know that they are playing a critical part in the evolution of the whole. They're playing a valuable part. When I think about Corey Zemai's story, he picked the harder role. He picked the harder role. It is not easy being an alcoholic addict. Wow. And we have so much judgment around these things. Well, I know for Corey, he's like badass, spiritual gangster. I'm going to go down there, I'm going to do that thing. I'm going to march straight down into hell. You know, you think your person did something wrong. That's absolutely not true. If you're going to transform or heal something, you have to go down into it. Here we are as humans. We must explore every aspect, humanity, especially the darkest, most depravous aspects. We're all God in costume. We're all playing a role as part of the whole. Even if that role is being the villain. That's part of the thing. Would you go to the movie if there was Star wars, if there was no Darth Vader?

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course not.

[Denise Roselle]

No, you wouldn't. It's a boring movie, and you need Darth Vader.

[Alex Ferrari]

You need contrast.

[Denise Roselle]

You need it. And the soul's like, you know, cory, put me through hell and my family through hell. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Corey, can I ask you a question? The awakening that you're going through and the time period that both you and Corey decided to come down here in is very interesting to me. Because a hundred years ago, if both of you would have had the same story because there was alcohol back then, he could have gone down the. You know, he could have been a drunken at the Western or something along those lines. But you chose this time period to go through this. Because I don't believe anytime in the past this would have been nearly impossible.

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, unless you were. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe if you were born in India.

[Denise Roselle]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Maybe if you were born in the east, where the awakening and that. It's more cultural and might. Maybe it's a big maybe. But you would have been a woman, so that would have been rough, you know, in that time period as well. So you guys chose this time period to go through this? He did. And then you did. You've been around a little bit longer than he was. Do you believe that this is a very special time in human history?

[Denise Roselle]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that why you chose this time to be here?

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. And it's. So think of humans as evolution as a whole. We're progressing as a whole. And you correctly said, you know, like, we chose this time 20, 30 years earlier that I would. None of these. Like these books you have here. And the things that he experienced that would not have been available. And so we're all growing together as a big unit. Although it feels like we're all doing this separate thing. We're all working together. So whenever you're having conflict with another. That's part of the game. That's part of the game. And these souls, especially the ones like Corey, that went through some really tough stuff and brought us through a lot of tough stuff, they basically are paying a great price to help my evolution. It's the cost of their own suffering. That villain, they're suffering. They're paying a price to play that role. And it's okay because behind all of

[Alex Ferrari]

that costume is love, because it's what everything's made of.

[Denise Roselle]

It is so part of my healing journey. I want to share this analogy of the Beauty and the Beast. The Beast is the prince in disguise as the Beast, and he must have the kiss of unconditional love to set him free. And Belle can't know that he's the Prince.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Denise Roselle]

She must love him as the Beast. And when she kisses him, Magic.

[Alex Ferrari]

Magic happens. Yeah.

[Denise Roselle]

He becomes the prince. So what was shown to me is the Beast is fear. And I'm going to put all of our stuff in that one word, fear. And when we're able to love and accept our fear as it arises, poof. It morphs back into the love that it is. This is the journey that we're on. My sadness is my joy in disguise as sadness. When I'm able to love and accept my sadness as it arises, it's transmuted back into my joy. My anxiety is my excitement for life and my peace. I can transmute that. My anger is my power and my passion and is very highly energetic. When I'm able to love and accept my anger as it arises, I come into my power and my passion.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now, I wanted to touch upon your new book here, Creating Soulful. Creating a Soulful Space and a practical Guide to Self Love. Space stands for something. Can you explain to people what that stands for?

[Denise Roselle]

And this is the acronym for the process is space. So stillness. We talked about that presence. I'll go into this a little more in a sec. The A is authenticity and acceptance. The C is connection with compassion. And the E is empathy. And so I need to, before I go any further, let you know that through this process, I began to work with myself like I'm the love. I am the parent called love. I am the divine limitless being that is here to take care of and reunite this human back into love. And I do that by. Well, I envision each of these feelings as like a little versions of me.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Denise Roselle]

I wonder if you'd like to do a little exercise.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm always game. Let's go.

[Denise Roselle]

Okay, let's close our eyes and can you think of something that has made you really, really sad? I don't need to know it. Just think about something and feel that sadness for a second. Now envision a younger, smaller version of you Your sad one in front of you, in your mind's eye. Do you see him?

[Alex Ferrari]

You mean a younger version of myself?

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. And he's the sad one.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's sad?

[Denise Roselle]

Yes, sure. He feels that sadness you just talking about. You see him? Okay. Can you smile at him and then just say, you're welcome to be here? Sadness. You could say it out loud.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're welcome to be here. Sadness.

[Denise Roselle]

And now what is sadness doing?

[Alex Ferrari]

Being thankful.

[Denise Roselle]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

For the acknowledgment.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. Okay. I want to open our eyes. So I think for some people, when I ask, what is he doing? He may say, looking confused. You don't usually allow me to be here. And so what I've learned is that I had to build trust with my human. So let's suppose you were my enemy, and I can't stand you, and you can't stand me. And then one day I say, hey, Alex, I want to be your friend. Do you want to be my friend? What would you say to me?

[Alex Ferrari]

Depends. There's a lot of.

[Denise Roselle]

No. What would you say to me? I'm mean to you. I've been horrible.

[Alex Ferrari]

I would be very.

[Denise Roselle]

You would say no.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'd be very skeptical.

[Denise Roselle]

You say no because I don't trust you.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's it? Yeah.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. So here's this human part of us that we've been programmed to push away, deny, numb, distract. And they don't trust us as far as they could throw us. So if I would just, like, make you. I'm going to make you be my friend. That's not going to work. That's just an act of aggression. So we have to be Start slow. That's just like step one that I just told you there. Slow down and acknowledge and say, you're welcome here. So the next thing is p. Presence. So this is going to. This is so simple, all this. Sit in the chair for five minutes a day. And now we're going to practice presence. Okay. Right now I am going to just share what I'm experiencing. My body here. Okay. I feel my forearm on this desk here. I feel my hair on my ear here. And my other arm here. And my seat in the chair. And I feel the cool air on my feet. And I see the blinking light over there. So what are you experiencing in your physical body now?

[Alex Ferrari]

Feeling the desk, feeling my arms on the desk, feeling the chair and just being.

[Denise Roselle]

Okay. So that seems pretty simple. Like, when I drink this glass of water. Thank you. I'm looking at the water. I'm tasting it. Look at my food. I smell my orange when I peel it. When I look at you, I'm, like, looking you in the eyes. I'm listening to you. And so these are like super simple things. Like, when I'm sweeping the floor, I feel the broom in my hand. I'm looking at the dirt, like, zoning in. I'm chopping some vegetables. Like, oh, man, I'm just, like, going straight into it. So that's practicing presence. So most people, they say, oh, I got to be present with my feelings. Well, they've never been present when there's no drama and trauma around. You're not going to be able to do that unless you're able to be present when there's no drama and trauma. And you do that in the most simple ways. Take a breath with me. Look around. Oh, wow, I'm here. Pausing throughout the day to think, oh, let me think of my breath. Oh, look at. There's the cameras over there. You know, it's a nice microphone. You've got a really nice space over here. Yeah. So it seems so strange. That is so freaking simple. But it'll change your life. It's like working out in the gym. You don't start with £50, you start with £5, £10, and you build up. So then we move on to authenticity and acceptance. You know, we're not so authentic with ourselves. We like to lie to ourselves. We don't like to feel bad. Everything within us says, no, I don't want to feel angry or sad or anxious. And so I'm going to avoid that part of me. And believe it or not, you can be sad and joyful at the same time. You can be anxious and peaceful at the same time. That clock has Cory's birthday on it, by the way. That's one of the ways he shows up. So turns out that learning how to be honest when you feel even the slightest little niggle of a feeling is so important. Because now you get to say, ah, I'm feeling a little sad. Now I'm going to acknowledge the presence of this sad one or whatever it is. So we start learning how to be authentic. And then there comes the acceptance. You know, usually all the problems we have, all the hard stuff in life, it's not actually the hard stuff that bothers us, causes us problems. It's our resistance to it, of course. So instead of, like, I'm feeling horrible, like, I don't know how I'm going to pay my rent, I'm so anxious, I can't stand this. What am I going to do? I'm panicking. When you're able to just like, oh, looky there. I'm anxious. And it's okay. It's okay to be anxious. It's okay to be sad. That acknowledgement. It's okay to be. And then a feeling is like unlocking, allowing. So, like, when you resist, you contract, oh, I feel horrible. And then when you say, hey, it's okay to feel anxious, start allowing. It is what it is. I have this situation now. It just is. And so now you got something to work with because you're not so uptight. And then we move into connection. We talked about building trust. So the next step would be to be learn how to. Once you're. Once you start being present and saying you're allowed to be here, learn how to speak to this part of you. These parts of you. And this is where emotional intelligence comes in, which is also a good bit of this book. You know, if you ask somebody, like, how you doing? How you feeling right now? Good.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course.

[Denise Roselle]

It's like we don't even have the vocabulary. Never thought about it. Well, I'm feeling excited, a little nervous, peaceful, super joyful. Yeah. So being able to have the range to not only feel, but to recognize what you're feeling and to acknowledge those parts of you that feel separate from love and life, it's like making friends with yourself. And so now it's no longer, oh, my gosh, I cannot be anxious. Oh, guilt. Oh, my gosh. Guilt and shame. Oh, we run so fast, we can't do that thing. Jealousy. Oh, that's so bad. You know, just like you feel those feelings, it's okay to feel guilty. It's okay. So I kind of want to talk a little bit about this progression of human evolution. You touched on it a minute ago. So here we come along down the road, and, you know, the 70s, and we have all this stuff coming up, and people are starting to wake up. Little bit, Little bit, little bit. Then we come around to the 2000s, and we have Eckhart Tolle, and he's brought us this amazing gift to be able to say, oh, you're gonna have these feelings. Just observe them.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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And now back to the show.

[Denise Roselle]

And you know, we can't like go from here to here in, in terms of evolution, you know, you have to take a step, steps along the way. So he really grounded this idea of it's okay, just observe yourself and be with it. Okay? And so part of this next stage was something. I'm really excited about this book and this process is like the next juicy thing to bring us in connection with our human. So I'm going to tell you a little story. Suppose there's a kid and he's been bullied on the playground and he's really upset, but he comes home and he starts acting out and he's throwing his little temper tantrum and doing all this stuff because he's upset. And the parent could say to him, well, if you want to cry, go to your bedroom because I don't want to hear it. Or they could say if you want to cry, I'll give you something to cry. That's what our parents told us. Or we could say, like Eckhart Tolle would say, okay, you're welcome to cry. Just go over there in the living room. I'll be over here. You're safe and just do your thing. So this next step is connecting and empathizing is when they finish throwing their little fit. Come over here, sit on my lap, tell me what's going on. Come over here and tell me all about it. Now, honestly, we don't have this vocabulary. We have never been modeled that or trained that. You have to develop that. And so the little kid says, I got pushed down on the playground and I skinned my knee and I don't know why they're so mean to me and I feel so horrible. And the parent was like, let's put a band aid on there. Let me kiss it. I'm so sorry. You're safe now. I'm here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, you feel it.

[Denise Roselle]

This is how we connect with these parts of ourselves. Think about it. This human parts of herself suffering so much, and we don't want to have anything to do with them.

[Alex Ferrari]

Denise, thank you so much for sharing all of this with us. I'm going to ask you a few questions as you know, because you've watched a few of these episodes that I ask all my guests in kind of a rapid fire thing. What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Denise Roselle]

Mmm. Doing what you love being, being present with joy and life and love being alive.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Denise, what advice would she give you? What would you give her?

[Denise Roselle]

Everything's gonna be okay. It's gonna be kind of tough for a while, but don't worry, everything's gonna be okay. I've got you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what advice would little Denise give you today?

[Denise Roselle]

Don't be so uptight. Try to control everything and you don't have to be perfect.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define God or Source?

[Denise Roselle]

Love.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is love?

[Denise Roselle]

It's the most powerful force that exists. It's a divine matrix that holds us all together. It's all that is, all that ever was. All time, all space. And we are all fractal versions of that, connected together as one. Although it's not apparent to us.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you could ask God or Source one question, what would it be?

[Denise Roselle]

Well, I can and I do. And it's like, how can I be of greater service?

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define liberation in this lifetime?

[Denise Roselle]

Inner liberation, inner freedom. Being able to know that all is well. Anything is possible. Nothing is impossible. Identifying as this higher self and being able to nurture this human self as it arises. Every time this human self is having a difficult time, just being able to say, come over here and tell me all about it. That's freedom.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Denise Roselle]

To live it fully.

[Alex Ferrari]

And where can people find out more about you? And pick up a copy of one of your many books, but your new book, Creating a Soulful Space and your classic, beyond the Space.

[Denise Roselle]

Yes. So I have a website called creatinganewearth.org and I also have healingheartsupport.com because I've started a support group for bereaved parents and, you know, really want to take a moment to talk to bereaved parents because I've noticed that it's really, really difficult. Difficult to. To open ourselves to getting support. There's so many barriers. But I want you to know there's a safe space here. A safe space where you can connect with yourself, with me, with other people, to be able to get guidance through this journey because you don't have to do this alone. It can be such an isolating experience. And one of the things that I've been passionate about is opening up the space for bereaved parents to be able to connect with their loved ones. And it's not as hard as you think. And so if that's you and you're really interested in moving forward and just start beginning this journey of. Of opening to this. To this love and to being able to deal with this intense, intense grief, just reach out to me. I also. The books are available on Amazon. The. There's links in the description and there's also a link tree in the description that has the support document. I talked about stillness. That's just step one. But there are several things in this initial support document just to ground people because it's so discombobulating. And so there's specific practices to help you to. Just where do I begin? Yeah. So avail yourself to that through the link tree document. And we have a Facebook group I social media presence, so all of it's there. Creating a new earth.org and do you

[Alex Ferrari]

have any parting messages for the audience?

[Denise Roselle]

I want to say thank you to Corey and my spirit guides, my angels, ascended masters, to you for this opportunity to be here. My heart goes out to all those people who are suffering so deeply and grieving the loss of their loved one. You're not alone. We're here with you. All is well. It's okay. It's okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Denise, it's been such a pleasure and thank you so much for being so vulnerable and sharing so much about your journey, Cory's journey. And I hope this really does help people watching from now and for many years to come as they continue to watch us. So I appreciate you and everything you and Corey are doing to awaken this planet. So thank you.

[Denise Roselle]

It's my pleasure. And thank you for having me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 610 and if your soul is craving an evening, deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

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