Life Before Incarnation Explained with Christian Sundberg

Summary

Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari
Episode: Life Before Incarnation Explained with Christian Sundberg
Release Date: May 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this thought-provoking episode, host Alex Ferrari speaks with Christian Sundberg—an author and speaker known for recalling profound memories of existence prior to his current incarnation. Christian shares his unique perspective on the journey of the soul, the experience of choosing a life before birth, and the deeper spiritual context in which human lives unfold.

Christian dives into memories of "pre-birth" existence, details about the process of incarnation, and the lessons he believes souls seek during human life. The conversation touches on spiritual development, the function of the "veil" of forgetfulness, karma, parallel lives, and the crucial, liberating power of love.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Introduction to Christian Sundberg’s Experience

• [03:53] Christian explains that unlike near-death experiences (NDEs) or out-of-body experiences, his account is a "pre-birth experience"—a memory of awareness before physical birth.
• He clarifies the challenge of using human language to describe these non-physical realities.
• Christian had memories of pre-birth and "choosing" his life until age 5 or 6, which faded until they resurfaced in adulthood through extensive meditation.

“There is no language to describe any of this… The language of Earth is based on our local world and its assumptions and our true nature transcends those assumptions.”
— Christian, [04:16]

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The Nature and Recall of Pre-Birth Memories

• [05:06] As a young child, the awareness of pre-birth memories felt natural to Christian, not extraordinary.
• The memories disappeared as he identified more with his earthly identity.
• They resurfaced after age 30, during deep meditation and out-of-body experiences, feeling more “real” than physical reality.

“These memories both seem incredibly ancient and also like they're happening right now...”
— Christian, [06:50]

• Christian initially hesitated to share these memories for social reasons but felt compelled as he met others with similar experiences. This led to his book, A Walk in the Physical, which can be downloaded for free from his website.

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Journey to Incarnation: Remembering the Choice

• [09:58] Christian recounts deeply vivid impressions of pre-incarnation moments, which include:
  • Encountering advanced beings and being inspired to experience physical life after learning about the joy that comes from overcoming suffering.
  • The process of reviewing his soul’s “state” with guides, identifying a specific fear he wanted to address in this life.
  • The process isn’t a forced assignment but a collaborative, intentional choice.

“From that point of view, I knew the incredible, incredible opportunity… was being handed to me in the chance to re-experience this fear and to… integrate it and heal through it.”
— Christian, [20:33]

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Reviewing and Accepting a Life

• [20:13] Christian likens the process of reviewing possible lives to viewing a branching probability tree—seeing likely paths and major life events based on choices.
• He recalls requesting certain qualities (like intelligence) and understanding his parents would play key roles in his emotional development.
• The “veil” of forgetfulness is agreed to, making him forget his soul’s origin and knowledge upon incarnating; the deeper the “veil,” the greater the opportunity for growth.

“It was like a sound amplifier… you turn down the knob and then more… that’s how it felt… to plummet down into the vibrational place of being physical in the womb.”
— Christian, [13:22]

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The Pre-Birth Experience in Detail

• Christian describes two attempts at incarnation:
  • First Attempt: Overwhelmed by the fear and density, he fought the process, resulting in the fetus dying. He had a life review, feeling responsible for the energetic ripples caused.
  • Second Attempt (Current Life): Approached with more surrender. After another deep plunge, he felt the encompassing presence of "God" reminding him of his true nature, which gave relief and courage to proceed.

“The great spirit of God… said to me, ‘This is still what you are. You can never not be this.’”
— Christian, [25:02]

• He describes being born, remembering the room, the layout, and intense curiosity as an infant.

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Earth as the Ultimate "Game" for Growth

• Alex and Christian riff on analogies to video games—Earth is "Contra without the cheat code," a rigorous environment for accelerated soul evolution.

“Not everyone wants to climb Mount Everest, but there are those who go climb Mount Everest and then when they get there, they're like, ‘Oh my gosh, it's cold, there's no oxygen’ … That is the nature sometimes of the human experience.”
— Christian, [44:08]

• The physical world’s density and challenge are like lifting heavier weights, offering potent opportunities for expansion (growth).

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Soul Selection and Incarnation Mechanics

• [48:13] Souls must want the experience and be “proficient” enough for the level of challenge; guides help match souls to appropriate lives.
• Some get to choose from several possibilities; others, like Christian, are presented a specific option tailored to their intention.

“You have to have a certain level of proficiency… you need to be ready… to engage a context that’s this rigorous.”
— Christian, [48:44]

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On Vacation Lifetimes and Parallel Lives

• Souls sometimes choose “vacation” incarnations—less challenging lives to rest or simply experience being, but this isn’t exclusive to geography or ease; it’s about qualitative experience.
• Christian affirms the possibility of parallel/incarnations—multiple lifetimes running "simultaneously" from the soul’s higher perspective, as linear time is a construct for the human experience.

“All linear time is a creation. It’s not fundamental. It’s a way of experiencing.”
— Christian, [56:47]

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Soul Groups and Relationships

• He senses soul groups as vibrationally resonant collectives—not one soul splitting, but distinct souls aligned in intent and quality.
• In higher realms, “geography” is vibrational, not physical, so affinity governs association, not societal convention.

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The Veil and Why We Forget

• [64:10] Forgetting (the veil) intensifies and enriches the human experience, ensures immersion, and avoids the burden of carrying multiple traumas and memories.

“If you want to be Zelda, you got to be Zelda… that full immersion is precisely where the value is.”
— Christian, [64:10]

• Forgetting also protects us from severe homesickness for our true, expansive nature.

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Karma, Trauma, and the Power of the Present Moment

• Karma is cause and effect—there’s no outside judgment but a deep seeing of who you are and the consequences of your actions. Processing fear now can heal other connected moments in parallel or prior lives.

“You don’t go into it because you’re trying to get rid of it. You allow and accept it and fully feel—feel it to heal it.”
— Christian, [75:32]

• Growth is about meeting and integrating our fears, for lasting progress beyond this physical experience.

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The Nature of Evil, Forgiveness, and Unconditional Love

• Christian urges against drawing hard lines between extreme atrocities and everyday fear—both arise from the same root and are to be met with compassion.
• Even those who commit terrible acts are unconditionally loved, their actions processed and balanced in the afterlife, though not excused.
• Real justice is awareness, growth, and integration, all within the context of enduring, wise, unconditional love.

“We are fully responsible for every single thing we have done… that system of true balance takes place within and is fully transcended by unconditional love and unfathomable wisdom.”
— Christian, [84:15]

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Notable Quotes

• “The higher self is you, right? Like—the you that feels like you to you… that's the same you that's going to be here after the body is gone.”
  — Christian, [42:23]

• “Being human is like being given a winning lottery ticket. And now that you're here, you get to decide what to do.”
  — Christian, [45:21]

• “Love is the answer, you know. That is the ultimate healing power… When we get to the other side, we know it.”
  — Christian, [79:26]

• “Who you really are—there is absolutely nothing to fear. That is such an important message that we need to share with each other.”
  — Christian, [86:23]

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Defining Life’s Purpose — The Lightning Round

What is your definition of living a good life?

“Living a life that is in alignment with the love and peace and joy and freedom of our true nature in the physical.”
— Christian, [84:41]

What is your definition of God?

“The living, loving, conscious, sentient foundation of all being who knows us… You are not just a drop in the ocean. You are the mighty ocean in the drop.”
— Christian, [84:55]

What is the ultimate purpose of life?

“Love. Love is the ultimate purpose of life… living in joy and freedom and just doing it how we can, even here in this cold, airless Mount Everest context.”
— Christian, [85:27]

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Memorable Moments

• Christian’s metaphor of the "veil acceptance simulator"—an otherworldly experience to practice handling incarnation’s constraints ([13:22], [25:02]).
• The “sound amplifier” analogy for descending into the density of physical life.
• His description of being an infant and recalling the vivid detail of the birthing room, surprising his parents.
• Discussion on the difference between soul groups and the multiplicity of parallel lives, comparing spiritual realities to multi-game players ([62:17], [59:49]).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:53] – Introduction to Christian’s Pre-Birth Memories
• [09:58] – The Choice of Incarnation and Fear as a Growth Point
• [13:22] – The “Veil” and Plummeting into Physical Density
• [20:13] – Reviewing and Accepting a Life
• [42:02] – Video Game and Higher Self Analogies
• [48:13] – How Souls are Chosen for Incarnation
• [56:47] – Parallel Lives and Linear Time
• [64:10] – The Purpose and Gift of Forgetting
• [75:32] – Karma and the Healing Power of Acceptance
• [84:41+] – Defining Life, God, and Purpose

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Closing Thoughts

Christian leaves listeners with an encouraging message of self-acceptance and the reminder that, beneath the story of their lives, they are boundless, loving beings.

“You are not just the human story… There is absolutely nothing to fear. That is just such an important message that we need to share with each other.”
— Christian, [86:23]

For more from Christian or to download his free book, visit walkinthephysical.com.

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This episode is a rich resource for anyone interested in the spiritual mysteries of life before birth, soul purpose, and our ultimate return to love. It underscores: you are more than your story.

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[Christian Sonberg]

I'm great, sir. How are you?

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm good, my friend. Thank you so much for doing this. We've been trying to get this going for a while now and I'm so happy that we finally our schedules matched and we're here to, to talk about your fairly, you know, somewhat unique, entertaining experiences of life. You've lived a boring life so far.

[Christian Sonberg]

Apparently none of us live boring lives on earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, that's very true. That's very, very true. So you have a very, you have a unique point of view on your experience. I mean we've had near death experiences, we've had other out of body experiences, but you had a pre birth experience. And you're the first person I've ever spoken to who's had a pre birth experience. So can you explain to the audience what is a pre birth experience?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, sure. Thank you. So first let me just say that, okay first of all I have to disclaim that there is no language to describe any of this. We're going to do our best. We're going to do our best. But the language of Earth is based on our local world and its assumptions and our true nature transcends those assumptions. So fair enough. Assumptions like, you know, linear time and discrete location, for instance, we're actually trans send that this physical context. So I'll, I'll try to make comments, but I just have to disclaim that language vastly falls short. It's like as soon as we open our mouths, we're just inaccurate, you know? Got it. So yeah, my body is 42 years old right now. Up until about the age of five or six, I had some pre birth memory. I remember choosing this life and coming to Earth. That Memory left me completely between the ages of 6 and 30 before.

[Alex Ferrari]

So before you continue, what was it like being a, a 5, 4, 56 year old dealing with this kind of information? Because I, I barely remember what I was like at 4 or 5, but I know I didn't have the cognitive ability to deal with that kind of information. So how did you deal with it?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, it was very natural. It's the most natural thing in the world actually. I remember being in a diaper and just barely being able to walk and being aware of what I'll share today.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[Christian Sonberg]

It seemed very natural and normal. Nobody else talked about it. I mean I, I knew we were, we're not really from here, you know, we're just coming to experience this place and have this human experience. And nobody else really talked about it. I didn't talk about it. It's just, I thought everybody knew. Fair enough, but nobody else talked about it.

[Alex Ferrari]

At the age of 60, at 6, you lost the memory. Do you remember losing this?

[Christian Sonberg]

No, no, it's just kind of the more I became associated with the human character, the more deeply I became associated with form, you know, with the story, with the objects, with the identity, you know, the, the more distant it became until it was gone and then I didn't remember it at all. You know, I had no, I didn't even remember that I had remembered, you know, up until the age of 30 when I took up a long term meditation practice. And much to my surprise I, I, well first I began to have non physical experiences after a few months of out of body experiences, very eye opening, very worldview altering, you know, very in your face not subtle experiences. And at the same time I began to have this, you know, pre birth memory return. And it was not, it was not strange, it was the most natural thing in the world. It was like there were leaves on the ground and somebody just blew the leaves off of the ground and there's the grass, you know what I mean? Like it was not, it was not strange, but it was so real, so much even more real than what I experienced day to day. And these memories both seem incredibly ancient and also like they're happening right now. Like they feel like they're millions of years ago, but they're also alive right now. Story in this moment. I don't know how to describe that. It's not like an earthly memory. And I, I shared it with a couple people and they seem to say, oh wow, that's pretty extraordinary. It didn't even occur to me that it was extraordinary. I Didn't share it for eight years or so because, you know, I'm a working professional. It's not the kind of thing you talk about, you know, you don't, you know, it's just, you don't care about that.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Christian Sonberg]

Clears the room pretty quick, you know, plus. And then anyway, so it's not going to be well received by various groups, you know, including like maybe conservatively minded folks. And so I just didn't share it. But I fel. I felt compelled to share and about four years ago I just got this intuitive nudge like that the ground is fertile now. It's just like the ground is just fertile enough now that there is benefit to sharing this. So I did. I shared with Mira Kelly, who happened to be Wayne Dyer's past life regressionist. So she was familiar with this content. And after I shared it I thought, okay, I got off my chest, I'll never, never have to talk about it again. But it, it took off. It became very well responded to. I met so many people that have experiences. I've probably met probably 40 or so other pre birth experiencers by now. So I'm definitely not alone. And what's really interesting is when those people are able to reach out to me and say I have the same memory of the same place or the same experience pre life. And I just think that's so amazing because I can feel the vibrational distance between there and here. And if we can come all the way down here to the earth, experience and meet here on these topics and like make that connection, it's. It's just so cool. It's a really amazing, energetic thing to do. Yeah, so. And then I published a book, A Walk in the Physical. I spent about six years writing it with the help of Spirit. Really. I received intuitive chunks at a time. I never felt like I sat down and wrote it myself. I felt like I was being guided throughout that process. And I felt like a bone level accomplishment when I finally pressed the publish button and put it out in the world. You know, it's available for free on my website. It's not about money. I just, I just want to share the information. I'm very passionate about who we really are, you know, what this human experience really is. And it's very exciting to me to share that because the actual truth, like the real concrete truth of the spiritual context in which we exist is wonderful. It's so amazing and full of love and joy and vibrance and freedom and I'm very Passionate about sharing that because we live in a world that is often less so, you know, we have a lot of fear. So anyway, just some comments about how that emerged.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, okay, so when you started your meditative practice and you had this kind of awakening, what were the memories that came, came back to you? What. Can you talk a little bit about the pre birth experience?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, sure. Okay, so I'll try to go in order, but again, there is sequence to these memories, but it's also beyond what we would call linear sequence. So it's difficult to describe. Okay, so I remember long, long ago, before I had ever been physical at all, had any physical incarnations. Coming across a being who had been physical. And I could feel from this being the quality of his, his nature, his essence. This is very hard to describe, but in those systems we, we share telepathically. Everything's telepathic. We just have a constant sharing of feeling and information and knowing. You know, it's not like here, we have to throw clunky words at each other. There you can actually feel the other being is a part of you and the environment is part of, you know, you're connected to all things. And I felt from him this amazing joy and, and power. And I asked him, my goodness, what could you possibly have done to be this? And do you feel as much joy and power as I feel that you feel? And he shared, yes. And he shared with me this huge amount of information and feeling and context. And one of the main things he shared with me is that he had lived a physical life. Well, he had lived many lives. But one in particular that he shared was a time that he had suffered physically from a long term chronic health condition. And it was very painful. But the way that he chose to meet that experience to so hard to describe, the quality of the intention that he brought into that experience allowed a refinement of his, his being.

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[Christian Sonberg]

And it was so beautiful and so full of power. And I said, I want to do that, I want to do that. I am going to do that. Which is very, like, very inspired. Where do I sign up? Where do I sign? Where do I sign up? Yeah, exactly. And he said kind of playfully like, yeah, that's what they all say. Like, you don't know how hard it is. You don't, you don't know. You just don't know how difficult it is. And I said, no, I, I mean it, I want to do this. And he said, well, go talk to your guides. So I don't have right after that, but I know I lived many times and then I found this being later and shared with him that I was on this path and he was encouraging, encouraging for the path. Okay, so, but the majority of the pre birth memory that I have is of a time somewhat immediately preceding this life where I had. So I had taken a long break after being physical. And I remember this guide coming to me over and over again and asking, are you every once in a while, are you ready to go back yet? Are you ready to go back yet? And just putting them off and be like, no, I'm not ready yet. No, I'm not ready yet. And finally saying, okay, I'm ready. Like, basically reminding me of my own intention to do this. And so I said, okay, I'm ready. So then I remember with this guide, reviewing what I can only describe as my state, like who I am, who I've been, who I was, this is, it's very hard to articulate this. It's, it's like a Like a. I don't know how you would describe it. Like a graph with. This is super crude metaphor, but like a graph with many different qualities. And you could even say virtues or something. You know, just areas of. Of knowing of experiential evolution that you knew more or less, something like that. And there was this one area that was just blatantly obvious that I needed to work on. I don't want to say need to work on because we don't have to. It's not about need. We choose to do this, but there was this one area that it was like, oh, wow, I really should do something about that. And it was this really deep fear. And it was a fear that had bested me in a previous experience. And in that previous experience I had turned into something of an egoic monster because of this fear. And I had damaged many other people through the fear, because fear is at the root of ego. You know, when we act out of ego, it's. It's because we're. There's some fear down there that we haven't processed, something we haven't come to terms with. So this fear was very overwhelming. And I remember asking, is it even possible? Like, has any other being in creation ever dealt with a fear that's this low vibration in this specific way? Because it was like a very specifically angled vibration. I don't know how to describe this, but a very specific fear vibration. And I knew even from that point of view it was very low vibration. And I remember the being saying to me, yes, and in fact, you have all time available to you to do so. There's no hurry. And I just knew, and this is how strange to me as the human, you know, because from this point of view, I know how difficult it has been and can be. But I just, I said, I. I said, if it can be done, I'll do it. Like, I. I just knew because I knew the depth of my being and the depth of what we all are, the unconquerable life that we are. And so. So then they brought me a life, a physical life that was appropriate for this intention of meeting the sphere. And it wasn't this lifetime, it was one just before this. And I reviewed that life and I accepted that life. And then I remember accepting the veil. Okay, so the veil is just a term, it's just a metaphor, but it means the constraints that go along with being physical and having an incarnative experience. That is the limitation of knowledge. Having your memory cut off and having your connectedness disappear. And it felt to Me, like, the best way I can describe this is the metaphor of like a sound amplifier that produces a pitch. Like you started a very high vibration. Like, and then you turn down the knob and then when you get to the bottom, you turn it down some more and then more, more, more, and then more, and then crank it down some more, and then crank it down some more. That's how it felt in the body of my awareness to plummet down, down, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower, into the vibrational place of being physical in the womb. And once I arrived, I was like, I am not doing this. There is no way I'm going to tolerate a lifetime of this. This is so dark. This is such low vibration. I, I had so much fear immediately that came up. And so I mustered my might, you know, and I smoked the veil. I fought my way out and I was successful at doing that. But I realized that I had killed the fetus that was to be in my body and I had ended the life. And I had a life review just like near death experiencers described. Even though I had never physically been born, I was, I was responsible for how I had affected the mother. And not only the mother, but hundreds of other people who were affected by the mother because of my fear, you know, And I had all these great intentions going in, but I could just, I can see very objectively. Wow, I have a lot of fear. I gotta do something about this. So like, like from that point of view, you know, everything is okay. It's just, it's just a play, you know, it's a big, it's a big play. But still I could just see like, oh, wow, you know, I really need to grow in this way. So I spent some time practicing surrendering to the veil in a, a place that I can only describe as a veil acceptance simulator. It was like going to a room where they dunk you under the water of a dark pool and they push you under. This is just a metaphor, but it's kind of close. It's like being pushed underwater in a pool. And then you can, you stay under there and see how long you can like hold your breath. And then you cry uncle and I'll let you out because it's just a simulator. Whereas in the real veil, you know, you can't cry uncle. You have to let it sink in all the way. So I remember practicing and then. But I still wanted to do this, this intention of meeting this fear. So they brought me this life, this life now as Christian. And I remember reviewing this life in incredible detail. And I knew that this life was not as appropriate as the first one would have been. Like, you know, you can't put numbers on it. But if I just. I know we like numbers and duality. So like, if I just. Just being crude about it, the first one, if it was like a 98 or 99, good match, this one was like 87 or something, you know, I don't know. It just. It was good and it was good, but it wasn't as perfect as the first one, but it was still very good.

[Alex Ferrari]

Real quick. I don't mean to stop.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You said you reviewed this life in detail. Do you mean that you were able to see Christian from beginning to end of what you were going to experience and how this quote unquote game or play or movie was going to play out and what it would do for you in your growth as a. As a soul?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yes, but it was not a. So it was. It was like a probability tree, right? So it was like if you took a tree and laid it on its side and started at the trunk and then worked your way out to the branches. It was like that. It was like I started at a point of context, and I knew that my choices and the choices of every other player in the game would be influencing each other, and it would nudge certain paths to happen, and there were some that were more likely or less likely. And I knew that it was very likely that I would suffer a trauma in my 20s because of this biology. I knew that this body has biological limitations that other bodies don't. And I knew that that would help facilitate, among other things, this trauma that would befall me in my 20s. And that trauma would give me the chance to be crushed and to re. Experience this fear. And I say chance because from that point of view, it was seen as an opportunity. You know, like. Like from here, the. The victim, the, you know, the ego rises up right away and says, oh, no, I'm not. I would never sign up for this. I'm not okay with this. But from that point of view, I knew that the incredible, incredible opportunity that was being handed to me in the. In the chance to re. Experience this fear and to. And to meet it and to try to integrate it and heal through it. Oh, my gosh, the. The amount of profound personal growth and even the growth of all that is. That was possible through that was breathtakingly huge. But anyway, to your question. Yeah. So I reviewed what it would be like to be me in these various branches. Like it was. There were events in it. But it was less about events and more about what it would feel like to be me, to be exactly me in this, in this circumstance or at this age. I remember reviewing it in terms of ages. I remember being aware of one certain potential exit point as an example that hasn't arrived yet. I remember reviewing qualities about the life and then making requests. Like, for instance, I remember asking if I could be intelligent again because I knew that I had been intelligent in the last few lives and it was a trait that I preferred and I didn't want to, you know, experience a life without that quality. And they said, yes, you can do that. And I knew that certain qualities of my parents would be very important. Like, for instance, I knew that my father would instill confidence in me and that that confidence would be paramount for me to have, like a rock to stand on to meet this fear. And that was something that my father did for, did for me. You know, he was very accepting and always, you know, lifted me up and gave me that confidence. Not only my father, my mother, my grandparents, you know, that was not an area I needed to be challenged in this time. I needed, I needed the confidence to meet this fear.

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Christian Sonberg]

And I also remember asking, and excuse my hoarseness, by the way, my wife, as I mentioned, my wife has Covid and I'm a bit under the weather right now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Christian Sonberg]

So I remember asking, can I. I don't want to forget everything this time. I want to just have a. Can I just have a small, tiny bit of memory? And they said, yes, you can do that, but it will make the journey more difficult. And I knew why I could feel it was because the contrast here would be even greater. To have some recollection of there, of that higher vibrational state of being and still be here is such a pronounced contrast that having even a glimmer of that conscious knowledge added to contrast. But see, I knew even that contrast, like all contrast, was an opportunity for growth. So I accepted. And. And I remember there having to be a moment to say yes, to actually accept the life. I don't remember that moment, but I do remember being in like a waiting area and then this guide coming to me and then just suddenly grabbing my attention. Like, go now. Like, very abrupt, like almost rude. Not rude, but like grabbing me by the shoulders, like, earth time, buddy. Like not, not later, right now. And being like, okay, now and then, like locking into that and then being in this. How do I describe this? It's like I. I've described it like a technician's chamber or like a mechanic shop that was over the earth. I could see a shaft below me with the earth below. And there were these beings there who are very technical in nature and they are very, very skilled at matching the veil to you, to the individual. Because, like the individual soul has so many rich qualities and the life and the body and the circumstances have their own energetic thing going on. And they, they like, I don't know, they make everything fit, they make everything jive. You know, they. They're able to make this organic connection work. It's like the veil is like an organic blanket or something and they're able to fine tune that. And I remember then being over this pit and them asking me one last time, are you sure? Are you sure you want to do this? Because I knew once I said yes. Here I was strapped in for the ride. It's like getting in a roller coaster, you know, once you strap in, you can't get out till the ride's done. It was a little bit like that. And I remember saying, yeah, I'm ready. And then again this huge plummet of vibration. Down, down, down, down, lower, lower, lower, lower, lower. And having all of my knowing disappear and all my connectedness disappear and all my memory disappear, just not there anymore. And then coming down into this vibrational point that I can only describe, like arriving to the vacuum of space, like a place that had no heat. There's, like nothing there, but also simultaneously very, very dense. Like the body was like being shoved inside of a tiny tuna can. And simultaneously cold and empty. It was. It's so hard to describe. And this time I just focused on not fighting it, you know, just like, okay, because I remembered the time before when I had rejected it and ended the life. So I just let the veil do what it would do to me, and I surrendered to it. I just surrendered to the veil. And eventually, from the point of being in the body, I remember sending one message back to the technicians. Did it take and them sending one message back? Yes, it took. And then I felt really accomplished, actually, because I. Because even the act of making it to the physical is quite an accomplishment because it's such a vibrationally different place. So then I was there for a while, and then eventually I said, you know what? I am not doing this. There is no way I'm going to tolerate a lifetime of this. I am not doing it. And my fear began to rise up again. And so once again, I began to summon my might to fight my way out. And as I did that, the most holy moment in my entire human life happened. The great spirit of God, what we call God beyond all language, the great I am of all things, Source came to me and expanded me back out. And I felt all the universe within me. I felt our sun, the son of Earth, churning within me. I felt its life. I felt its consciousness and its bliss. This. This deep, raging bliss of the sun within me. And God said to me, this is still what you are. You can never not be this. It's the most holy moment for me in this life because that's what we all are. And it's like the most sensitive personal experience. But after that, I. I was so relieved. I was like, oh, I didn't lose everything that I am, you know, because I felt like I had lost all that I am. And so I. So I stopped fighting and I returned to being in the body and not fighting and just to surrender to the simple existence of being in the womb, you know? And the next memory I have is what seemed like a long time later. Being born physically, I remember the shock, the cold, the light. I remember having no idea what was going on and just looking up at these beings who were taking care of me, the nurses in the room, and being like, who are these beings? Like, I had no idea what was happening, but it was intense. I was so curious. I remember just being intensely curious. And it's funny because when I mentioned this memory to my father, he said, that's exactly what you look like. He said you had these wide open eyes for a little baby, and you were looking around at everything with such curiosity. I remember that. I remember just being so curious. And I know they say that babies can't see, you know, certain, certain distance. I don't understand how I remember this, but I do remember seeing the room. And later in my life, I drew the room from my mother and I said, you were here. Here was the bed, here was the heating grate, here was the window. The doctor was standing here. And, you know, she confirmed that that was how the room was laid out. But anyway, so after that, I don't have memory for quite a while, you know, until I was older. But I used to have assumptions about this life that I thought would apply because of the time I had been in the higher realities, because I assumed qualities of our true nature that were true there would apply here.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's enough.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, not. Well, there's a lot that's different on Earth. Like, I remember assuming that we would be able to feel each other's emotions here. That turns out not to be the case much of the time. I remember assuming that anyone in a position of leadership or authority would be loving and wise. And that's not always the case on Earth, you know, especially the larger, especially the higher up. I figured the higher up you were in society, you must be even more loving and wise because in higher systems, love and wisdom is the power, you know, so beings who are in positions of authority with air quotes, you know, they're loving and wise. That's not always the case on Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not so much, my friend. Not. Not so much. If we, if we look at our World day. No, it doesn't. It's almost the oddity when you find someone who's good and, and wise at that level of, of leadership. Your story is fascinating, man. It really, really is. I have, I have a few, I have a handful of questions when you. During this whole process. Well, first of all, do you remember any other physical incarnations? Do you remember, like, any past lives?

[Christian Sonberg]

I have some snippet memories from other certain experiences. I remember being a woman who had given birth and having, being pregnant a second time. And the fear that I've experienced in this life, I experienced as that woman because I was afraid of the pain of having to give child birth a second time. That's just an example. So I have some, some short, you know, brief memories like that. Not too much, you know, like sometimes when I'm curious, I try to reach out to that and I just get this gentle like, no, you don't need to know that. And I'm totally okay with that. You know, I received, I respect the veil is. I'm still veiled. I'm very much still.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. So you're not, you weren't Alexander the Great or someone like that because everyone always is. They're very famous in their past lives. Francis of Assisi, you know this?

[Christian Sonberg]

No. No.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. So when you, when you lost your memories, I'm assuming you live life went down the road. I've read somewhere that you were working in a nuclear, in the nuclear industry somewhere and you were you spiritual at this point?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, I think I've always been spiritual, but for the majority of my adult life, early adult life at least, it was through a Lutheran Christian context. And, you know, part of my awakening process was a deconstruction of up what until that point had been, you know, my religious beliefs. It. I was, I had to be humble enough to recognize that I had certain key ideas wrong. But I was always seeking, you know, and it was, it was that seeking that led me initially to the work of the physicist and consciousness explorer Tom Campbell. And it was one sentence he said in one of his videos actually, that sent me down this whole path.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Christian Sonberg]

And you know, so I'm very grateful to Tom. His book and his teachings helped a lot. The biggest thing he said was go meditate, go find out for yourself. Go see what you are, what your awareness is beneath thoughts. Not the thoughts, not the stories, not the sensations. Go investigate very objectively what your awareness is. And I love that advice. I feel like I found so much through that. There are so many answers that are available to us through our true nature, you know, beneath the human thinking that seems to be so important to us every day.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you started to get these memories back, how did you handle the, the rush of knowledge and understanding? I mean, I'm assuming it was jarring at that, at that late. Because as we get older we it, we become more. It's not, we're not as manual in our thought patterns. It's a little bit harder.

[Christian Sonberg]

I understand what you're, why you're asking that, but actually I think in my case it was a state of awareness that changed first and then the memories were then natural. You know, as I grew more and more in awareness of what I really am, which is my awareness itself, consciousness itself, and less associated with the thinking and those firm identity thoughts that seem to make us up. That was first. And then once that was where I was. Larger aspects of myself began to rise up all on their own. So for me, it actually was not shocking. It was the more normal thing. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And when did you, when did you decide to come out of the closet, as they say, with this information animation?

[Christian Sonberg]

Because like you said.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it clears a room.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, it does clear a room. Now, I think about four and a half years ago or so, I decided to share. I felt intuitively nudged to do it and I, after I shared the first time I Remember going for a walk and feeling relieved that I had shared it. But I also felt this energetic shift in the, like branches. And I'm like, what is that? That's interesting. It's a very personal story, you know, and it's like, I'm a normal guy. I don't consider myself special in any way. And I, I live a normal, you know, relatively normal American human life. So sharing did take some courage, especially because in my case, my wife's parents are very conservative and it did cause quite a social difficulty, you know, for us, with me sharing Thanksgiving dinner was

[Alex Ferrari]

rough is what you're saying.

[Christian Sonberg]

Basically, yes. But. Yeah, but on the other hand, what are we afraid of?

[Alex Ferrari]

Right?

[Christian Sonberg]

You know, our true nature is what it is. I, I couldn't not share. In fact, when it first came back to me, I remember. This sounds so silly to me now, but I remember saying to my wife, I'm gonna create flyers and I'm gonna go and put them in people's mailboxes. And I want to tell people, you are a multi dimensional being having a human experience and there's nothing to fear. And she's like, if you do that, you're gonna be that guy. And I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna be that guy. So I didn't do that because that would make me that guy. And, you know, that's not the way to reach people, I guess, but, but I was very excited is what I'm, what I'm saying. Like when I realized this, like when I had out of body experiences, I mean, it's, it's so eye opening. You just want to go up to people and say, you don't need to be afraid. You are a multi dimensional being having a human experience. This whole thing is like a play that we've created for fun and for expansion and for creativity. There's nothing ultimately to fear. And when, because when we know that, when we know who we really are, man, we can live lives of joy and we can shine that joy to each other. We can be free here on earth. We can actualize our true loving nature in the Earth context. That's what it's all about. You know, it's not all about moving objects and buying the things and making the big empires. No, it's, it's the acts of love. It's the quality of intention that we bring into even the smallest moments. You know, like even how we pet a dog or smile at someone in the store or whatever. Those things that, that genuine love and that genuine joy that we bring into Earth in the even the smallest context, that's what matters. The context itself is kind of like a big illusion. But. But we. Our spirit, our consciousness, we. We're real. We're. We endure. We are this, like the substance of what really is. And our intent, our ability to choose something is our primary power. It transcends the physical. It transcends it. It operates through any reality system that we engage. So if we can evolve the quality of our intention towards love and past fear, that is lasting growth, that's lasting power and expansion, that remains with us far past the end of these extreme limitations of this earthly experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's very much like. And I've said this on the show before, it's very much like playing a video game where the higher self, the soul, is the player, and then we are Zelda, and. And we're running around, and we, as players on the beyond the Veil, we're like, oh, yeah, let's go down that road. He needs experience points in order to defeat the next level, and it's not going to be easy, and we don't want to go do that. But he's going to probably die a couple of times beating up these ogres because he needs the experience level to be able to move on the grind. Right. So you have to. And keep doing it. So us up top, we're like, this is. You know, it's the work we got to do. This is, you know. But I'm assuming for Zelda, it's terrifying.

[Christian Sonberg]

So, yeah, no, so that's a. So I want to just make a comment here because that. So I understand that from the human perspective, it feels like we're just Zelda, and then there must be some higher soul we're a part of that's making these big old decisions, and here we are just stuck in the rat race

[Alex Ferrari]

to a certain extent. I mean, yeah, I just want it.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I'm just.

[Christian Sonberg]

I just want.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's a connection still.

[Christian Sonberg]

Oh, there's more. Yeah. So it's more than just a connection. I just. This is important.

[Alex Ferrari]

The.

[Christian Sonberg]

The higher self is you, right? Like. Like the you that feels like you to you, the you that's making the decisions, the you that lifts your hand is your higher self.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right?

[Christian Sonberg]

That's the same you that's going to be here after the body is gone. So sometimes we want to play Zelda without a sword. You know, if we be your game,

[Alex Ferrari]

you and I are of similar vintage that, you know, contra, you remember?

[Christian Sonberg]

I. Up, up, down, down. Left, right, left, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

How many times did you beat that game with the cheat code where you had all the power and all the guns and you would fly through the game? I remember at a certain point I'm like, you know what, I'm going to play this like one eye open. Because I knew the game so well that I needed to challenge myself constantly. And I would play the game again like I want to. I can't play. I'm only going to lose. I can't lose one life. I have to do the entire thing without losing a life. If I lose a life, I start again. I'm not even going to. So I would challenge myself constantly because we had the secret code. So it's in a very, very similar way what we're doing.

[Christian Sonberg]

It is like that. So you could say metaphorically, some of the higher, less constraining reality systems are like playing contra with the cheat code on, so you have unlimited lives and you can't. But then when you really want to play and you really want to try to do it without the cheat code, guess what? You find out you're not as good as you thought you were. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because you have to die like five minutes in.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you have the big sword and you know where everything is, but all of a sudden the sword's gone in your hand to hand combat. It's not so easy anymore with the ogres coming out at you.

[Christian Sonberg]

And that's how it is with Earth. So here we are maybe with a broken body.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Christian Sonberg]

Or maybe with a circumstance where you were not given the love, the nurturing that you needed to grow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Christian Sonberg]

You know, psychologically well. Or maybe you have some context in your society that is very challenging. Maybe it's a war torn context. There's so many rich, rigorous contexts on Earth. But what's really important to understand is the contrast that Earth makes available is the tool. Like we transcend the contrast. We are non, dual. You could say, you know, we, we transcend all the ups and downs of Earth, but we use it, we use the contrast. And through it we can refine and expand who and what we really are. That expansion is incredibly valuable and powerful. And not every being wants to play contra without the cheat code, but the beings who want to try. You could say, not everybody wants to climb Mount Everest, but there are those who go climb Mount Everest and then when they get there, they're like, oh my gosh, it's cold, there's no oxygen up here. That's. That's correct. That is the nature sometimes of the human Experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Christian Sonberg]

It's cold. There may not be any oxygen. Whatever that metaphor might mean in your life. The question isn't whether or not it's cold. The question is what you do with it. The question is now, how do you meet this moment? Can you meet this moment with love rather than fear, whatever that means. All the things that love can mean. Humility, compassion, gentleness, even with yourself. Strength, you know, perseverance. All the things that love can mean rather than fear. And all the protections of the ego. Can you do that even in your context? That's the name of the game, and it is an incredible opportunity. It's not some, you know, masochistic exercise. It is a gift. Being human is like being given a winning lottery ticket. And now that you're here, you get to decide what to do. It's amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

So then let me ask you that question. How are souls chosen? I'm assuming there are a limited amount of souls, though. They keep growing. I mean, our population keeps growing.

[Christian Sonberg]

Well, there's a limited amount of avatars. Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's the limited amount of Zeldas out there that play this game with. So how are souls chosen for this experience? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, so what I can. So what I do remember, I mean, I, I certainly can't speak to the full depth of that, that question, sure. But I can say at least two things. First of all, the soul has to be interested because we are so, we're totally free will beings like. I mean, it sounds silly, but there are many beings who are not going to decide to like, come to this level of separation. Like, this is like going into outer space. You know, no one want, not everybody wants to go into outer space. Why would you want to do that? That's crazy. Why, why would I want to feel this separate from everybody else?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it's like, it's like right now, Mars, like there's a big talk about Mars and like, who's going to go to Mars. And in our lifetime, humans will probably go to Mars. And you asked, you asked the question. You're like, some guys and gals are like, I want to be first in line. Yeah.

[Christian Sonberg]

And the rest of us, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm like, no, I don't need that experience.

[Christian Sonberg]

Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't need to skydive. I'm solid like in my, in my life experience right now. But others, I need to do it every day. So it's just different perspectives.

[Christian Sonberg]

You got it. No, you got it. And it's very much like that when it comes to physical incarnation. It's like skydiving. Not everybody is going to want to skydive. Okay? So the first thing is they have to want to skydive. And the second thing is there has to be a level of proficiency. What I mean is we have lots of experience as souls. It's not just the physical. It's not like there's physical and then one other reality and that's it. That there are countless reality systems, many with rules that are very, very different from our Earth experience and for different purposes. And as souls, we engage all sorts of different experiences. And so in order to play a human, you have to have a certain level of the. The language is very lacking here. But soul proficiency, you know, you need to be ready, so to speak, to engage a context that's this rigorous. And so then the guides are very adept at matching because they, they know the, the goal of the game, so to speak, and they understand Us very well because they're very evolved, very loving, very wise. And so they are very good at like going through the database. You could say, you know, you might think of it like putting in a search, Google search or something. Like they put in parameters and this is just a metaphor. They put in the parameters of you and your intentions and what you're looking for. They get back some results, they review the results and then they take some to you and ask you about what do you think about these? Some people are given multiple lives to choose from. In my case it was just they brought me one and then they brought me one because my intention was very specific. Other beings may have much less specificity with their intention for incarnation. And it's just like, give me what I can, whatever, I'll, I'll take any.

[Alex Ferrari]

I just wanna, I just wanna get in.

[Christian Sonberg]

I just wanna get in and get some experience for me and coach. Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

So there was, I've heard from other, from near death experiencers and other other spiritually, you know, evolved people that I've spoken to on the show that there are lifetimes that are called either vacation lifetimes or just like, hey, you know what? In this life I've really had it. Last two or three lives have been pretty rough. I wouldn't just, I would write, let me just do this lifetime where I have a body that can absorb as many drugs and alcohol as humanly possible. I'd like to be rich, I'd like to have, you know, be able to do this and that. I just want to enjoy myself. Let's see what happens. And that's a lifetime because, you know, you and I both know in the press there's constantly these people who have these lives that put it out there. So have you. Do you understand that? Does that make sense? And by the way, that's just one vacation. That's one avatar who wants to do a lot of drugs and, and wants to drink and be able to do. There are other ones as well. But I'm just curious, have you. What's your thoughts on that?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, so I, I didn't review that specifically in my pre birth experience, but I do feel that we sign up for certain kinds of experiences and relaxing experiences may, may occur. I'm reminded of one of the Seth, Seth speaks comments. He says something like, while they're typically very busy and active as souls, they might take a break by incarnating as a very simple life form for a while to just exist. And so I don't have firsthand experience with that, but I feel intuitively that that's probably correct, you know, that we can sign up for vacation type experiences. That being said, like you said, it's not the context itself that makes a life a vacation. We can actually, it's actually the quality of our being that enables within a given level of constraint us to have, you know, a more loving expression of joy or not. So yes, we might sign up for less constraining lifetimes depending.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well yeah, like if you sign up to be a fisherman in, in Fiji and you never leave the island and your entire life is about fishing, spending time with your family, living in paradise, not a rich person by any stretch of the imagination, but when you wake up in the morning every day, you wake up and you're in Fiji, that might be a lifetime. And that's a simple life in many ways.

[Christian Sonberg]

So yeah, it's not that Fiji, it's not that Fiji is charged. We actually apply the meaning to all the contexts, including Fiji. Fiji has very nice colors and temperatures by comparison to some other places on earth. But we always apply the meaning to our lives. So I'm just, I'm just pointing that out because a vacation life is not specific to a location or even an occupation. It's, it's, it's the quality of being we bring into it and the meaning that we put onto a given context. And I'll just also just say this like in. From my perspective, I suspect that when I'd like to rest, it's not going to be through an incarnation. There are ways to exist that are much less constraining. So you know, it's not just that there's physical and that's your only option. There are many other reality systems and states of being.

[Alex Ferrari]

But this is the. But this is the densest.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yes, this is. So this is the. I remember, okay, I don't know if you want to go down this avenue, but I remember knowing, I know this is going to sound really woohoo. But I remember being aware as this universe was going to be created and knowing that there was this intention being issued forth from source but through us all, we were all involved to take this to the next level, like the next density, the new lowest density experience. And we were full of so much excitement at it. So it's like this, there's like this huge in breath and out breathing of universe, as you could say. And there's like this beautiful pause between. This is very hard to describe but there's these moments that there's a pause and then okay, now we're Going to take this to the next level. And there was so much excitement to be able to be this dense, to have this extreme level of engagement and contrast, because then the opportunity for expansion is that much more too.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a heavier weight to lift.

[Christian Sonberg]

Exactly. It's a heavier weight to lift.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're gonna, you're gonna grow. Your muscles are gonna grow much faster if you're lifting heavier weights.

[Christian Sonberg]

Exactly, exactly. That's a, that's a great metaphor that. It's exactly like, why would you ever lay down on the weight bench and lift a hundred pounds instead of 20? You know that that's a good metaphor for. Why would you. I mean, it's got. Certainly has limited. The metaphor certainly has limits, but it's not a bad metaphor for why we would sign up for challenging contexts.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right, exactly.

[Christian Sonberg]

There are, there are profound opportunities in the context, even if from the human point of view they seem very difficult.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, without question. Now this is a concept. I'd love to hear your thoughts. And I've heard others speak about this of the. I forgot who it was. Use this analogy. But it was kind of like dealing a deck of cards where you, as the higher self, the soul is the. The dealer, if you will, and each card is a life. And you could have multiple lifetimes at the same time, but all still connected to the player in the game. Because from my understanding, even from studying spiritual texts, that the higher self, the soul, can do multiple things at the

[Christian Sonberg]

same time at the same time.

[Alex Ferrari]

If we can't, then Jesus has a lot of people on near death. Because Jesus is always working on near death experiences. He's. He's a. He's the hardest working man up there, I'll tell you. And so if he do that at the same time, he's got other doppelgangers working for him. So I'm assuming that beings can do multiple things at the same time, be at multiple places at the same time. So what are your thoughts of us being able to experience multiple lifetimes at the same time?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yes. Yeah. So all linear time is a creation. It's not fundamental. Right. It's. It's a way of experiencing. Okay, so that's an important way to approach linear time because we we tend to think of linear time as like a fundamental, you know, part of reality. Right. But actually it. What's happening is not the physical universe. What's happening is your experience of the physical universe. And that experience takes place in sequence. Okay. But to the higher self, the higher self transcends that linear time sequence. And so from our perspective, we could say that all is happening in one now. Now these, this language is very limiting and, and it's very difficult to speak to from here because again, we're coming from the, the very perspective of define linear time. Like we are at the extreme point looking back saying what do you mean everything's happening all at once? From the soul vantage point, I can at least say there's like higher time and there is sequence that takes place, but it's all within the one. Now that's, that's the only way I can, that's the only way I can probably speak to that.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. So it's possible. In other words, it's. There's a possibility of it.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah. In our metaphor of playing a video game, you. You can play more than one video game at once. There's no reason you can't play Zelda and Contra at the same time, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. Though it'd be challenging for us it

[Christian Sonberg]

would be challenging, but for the higher self it's not challenging. Like in my pre birth experience when I reviewed all the possibilities of this life, I reviewed millions and millions of possibilities in seconds. You know, it was not hard. The bandwidth is ridiculously wide. It's infinite almost, it's almost infinite. You know, it's, I don't know, I don't know what to put words on. It's, it's huge. So that's the, that's what the soul, you know, is working with. It's not like this. You could think of the human as like a subset of the soul and this subset is bound until, in your time. But the soul isn't.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Exactly. What is your understanding of soul groups?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, so I'm aware that soul groups exist. I don't have too much specific knowledge about them. But I have had times in my life when I've come across individuals who I felt were a part of my group. It depends. People have different meanings for soul group. The way I'm using the term is not multiple characters of one soul. I'm talking about multiple souls that are of one vibrational affiliation or something. So I do feel that they exist and that they perform similar work. You could say like as souls we have certain, the language is so bad, certain qualities or capabilities that are unique to us. Like each one of us is like a vibrational universe and that vibrational universe has many colors and sounds and qualities and, and aspects, I, I, it's very hard to describe. So I feel that souls that are of a similar ah, bend or intention work together and congregate. Because in higher systems geography is vibrational. It's not physical. Physical geography may occur in reality systems, but we tend to relate to those that we are vibrationally resonant with. Earth is the place where you can shove two people in a room and they don't resonate and now you get to be stuck with them.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh yes. Oh yes, my friend. Oh yes, yes. I've had, I've had that happen a couple times in my life.

[Christian Sonberg]

I'm sure, I'm sure we all have experienced that. But in higher systems, like I'll just give a very brief example. One time I was out of body and I was doing something and then this woman came to me who I know physically and in my city, her and I were in a mediumship circle together and she got my attention. She's like, hey, it's, it's Mary and we're telepathically exchanging she's like, I want. We're gonna go to this other place. And I was like, no, I'm going over here. I'll see you later. And I just zoomed off and did my thing. At this, I want to try to describe, it was an energetic work that I was going to do. So there was no, like, pretense. There's no social pretense. It's like, no, I'm doing this. But two weeks later, when I saw her in person, when she opened her front door to me on Earth, she said, you blew me off. I couldn't believe she remembered it. I was like, I did. I can't believe you remember that. I did blow you off. I'm sorry. Like, from the human standpoint, you have to say you're sorry. But from the energetic standpoint, it's okay. Everybody is exactly who they are. It's okay. If you resonate with that over there and I resonate with this over here, that's great. You're. You're who you are. I'm who I am. And so that vibrational, like, you know, you follow your intention where it wishes to go. You don't like, sit there and make yourself, you know, you don't force proximity like you might do because of social convention on Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fair enough. Fair enough.

[Christian Sonberg]

Now this is a question I get

[Alex Ferrari]

asked all the time because, you know, if on the show we've talked about reincarnation, about past lives, about near death experiences, things like that, many of these ideas are thousands and thousands and thousands. Some of the oldest ideas, pre religion, pre organized religion even, but people always have this one question, like, why do we forget? Why is it necessary for us not to remember these quote unquote past lives? I always say you can barely deal with the life you have. Can you imagine having the memory of like four or five other lives where there's trauma and there's pain and there's suffering, how do you think psychologically you could deal with it? But I'd love to hear your point of view on it.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, no, exactly. So first of all, the forgetting is additive for a few reasons. Okay. One, you are okay? If you want to fully experience being the human, you got to be the human man. You know, if you want to be Zelda, you got to be Zelda. You can't be Contra. Contra is not in Zelda. There's no Contra in Zelda. There's just Zelda in Zelda. Right? So if you want to be the human in your story, then you need to surrender and let go. Of everything else to be fully immersed in your human perspective. That full immersion is precisely where the value is. So it actually adds perspective value when you can forget everything else and only have the perspective of being Alex or whoever is listening today. And then it's also additive because like you said, you are basically free from. So, okay, so we do have qualities that we carry from life to life because we are the same soul from given life to life. But a given lifetime might develop certain attachments, form associations and ego patterns. And so it can be helpful to let that go. And like the, the root fear, if it's unaddressed, will could remain from one experience to another. But let's say in one life you really strongly associated, associate with some conservative religious, you know, affiliation, and let's say you're a terrorist or something. You know, if you live another life, that whole association is not even there anymore. It's gone. Like you have no memory of that now. You're still you, but now you get a fresh slate. Now you get to start completely over. You get to, you have to learn everything over again. All the language, all the, all the patterns of life, everything your parents teach you. Everything has to be relearned. But that's not just negative, it's. It's like a new, it's like being given a brand new set of cards

[Alex Ferrari]

or starting the level over again. Start. You're starting the level over again, but without even start. Without any information about the game, right?

[Christian Sonberg]

Well, it's like. Well, you do. Yeah, you do. Actually, the soul level, you do have some information.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Christian Sonberg]

It's like starting a, a brand new game so that you can just play that game. And, and that is what playing that game is about. So I think that's the most concise way to put that. And the third reason is that being veiled protects us from homesickness because the, the depth of joy and love and freedom that we really are is. Oh my gosh, it's breathtakingly deep and vast and huge. And to have recollection of that can be debilitating. Like, how are you going to get up and go to work in the morning? If you knew, for instance, you, that the sun was in you right now, you could feel it. Like I say that because in my pre birth experience, I felt that I knew the sun was in me. The sun is a part, I'm a part of it. I'm a part of the sun. Sounds wild from the human point of view, but from there I could feel it. I just consciously feel it in My body. So imagine if you could feel that in the body of your awareness, how would you go and go to McDonald's and order your coffee? You know, you couldn't. So in that sense the veil is enabling. And then what's important is like if you imagine the veil, like locking someone into a position and then you work within that position and you refine and then when you let the veil off now you expand back out. Because you did all this work at a limited place. Like maybe if you wore a 100 pound coat, you put the coat on, now you got to walk around for a whole lifetime. This 100 pound coat. You learn how to walk with 100 pounds on you. And then when you take it off. Oh, the hundred pounds aren't native to me. But you retain the ability to walk that you developed. You retain strength. Yeah, the strength.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, the strength and the skill that you have. Yeah, a lot of people, I've heard that analogy a lot of times. Like he's a big thick coat and just like piled on and piled on and piled on. It's very dense and it's hard to move and, and it's that kind of world. Well, you obviously know firsthand have experience of everything you just said would be very difficult to deal with. How do you deal with the knowledge that you have in this physical experience?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, so I don't consider myself special. Like I said, I'm still very much veiled in my own walk. I really seek to fully accept the limitations that I experience and to meet the fear if and when it arises. I've done a lot of that. In fact, this pre birth memory could only return to me after I processed a lot of fear that I had a post post traumatic stress disorder time period after this trauma that occurred on 22 where I really healed a lot of that fear that was very important for me to do so. But it's too big to really even do in one lifetime. You know, it's, it's a very deep process. So I seek to allow whatever is in this moment, whatever that means, and to focus fully experience life here in whatever way I can. It is difficult to be this limited. It can be also. But also I am the one who decides if it's difficult. You know, I, the, the limitations are just limitations. Sure they may be so extreme, but I seek to allow them and to, you know, experience them. I know that sounds vague perhaps, but that, that is what this life is. You know, for me. I do very much look forward to the, you know, to returning. I'm not saying I'm asking to pass. In fact, I'm trying. I'm very careful not to put energy in that direction. I don't want to inadvertently, you know, push myself in that direction. I want to fully use this life if I can, you know, every day.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Christian Sonberg]

But when it's over, it will be wonderful. I just say that.

[Alex Ferrari]

So then with the concept of past lives and that we do this again and again until we work on things like what is karma and what is the idea of karma? Play into this because a lot of people think karma is like, you know, you hurt somebody, now you have to. It's a punishment. You have to deal with it in another life. From my understanding, from talking to different people, it's a choice to, to, to work it out. Like if, like I harmed you in this life, Christian, and I do my life review, I'm like, ah, man, that's something I got to really Work on. You want to put to. You want to add that extra level of difficulty in the game the next time around so you can work through that so you can continue your evolution. So it's a true choice as opposed to a punishment. Is that how you see it as well?

[Christian Sonberg]

Absolutely. Yeah, it's absolutely a choice. So karma is what we could just say cause and effect. Basically, you are who you are. That's the simplest way to put karma. You know, if you are a person who is. Who's relied on fear and ego and hurt others, then that's who you are. And so then when you get to the other side and you see the effect you had on others, it's not that there's this, like, judgment, like, oh, you. You know, you hurt this person next to you. No, you. You see who you are. Like, you. You see very clearly, oh, I hurt that person because I have fear, you see, or because I have not yet integrated the certain kind of experience. You see who you are. And so then out of your own, it's your own choice to say, you know, I'd really like to integrate that and grow through that, because I see the benefit of doing that. And it's with you, there's like this energetic. Because you are who you are. Who you are remains with you until you deal with it. So you might say, okay, so you know how we just were talking about how everything is happening in the one now. Okay, Processing. Fear happens in the one now too. So let's say that you had an experience when you were four years old and you locked it away because it was so painful. Maybe you were sexually abused, maybe you were beaten. Maybe it was just something simple like somebody called you a name and you locked. You know, you really latched onto that and lost your sense of self worth. Whatever it is, the fear that is the rejected. The willingness to. The to reject a certain feeling and not process it is still there. If you allow in this moment that to arise and you feel it now at whatever age, 27, 38, 91, doesn't matter then. You are meeting the same energy in the one now. Even if it was something that seemed to have been too difficult or too big. See, because we lock things away because they're too big. This fear is too big. This trauma is too big. I can't possibly look at that. There's no way it's gonna destroy me if I look at it. That's how it feels. That's how it felt with my fear, my trauma that I experienced in China. I had post Traumatic stress. It was so deep, it was so terrible, I couldn't even look at it. I had disassociated from myself even to escape this. This fear that was so big, it felt like it would destroy me. Our fear will not destroy us. We are bigger. We are deeper. The consciousness is deeper than the deepest fear. But we need to be willing to allow it and feel it in this moment. And when we do it in this moment, you see, that heals through all the moments. And then you don't have to experience it anymore, actually. So you don't go into it because you're trying to get rid of it. You allow and accept it and fully feel. Feel it to heal it, feel it to process it. And when you do that now, you've done that within all the nows you see, including. Including the other lives that you may be living. You know, that. That moment, that. That very moment when you decide how you meet a difficult vibration is the key. It's very empowering. You know, we tend to get overwhelmed by. Oh, man, I have all these years of sludge. How do I deal with all that? You just meet this moment. This moment has the power.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's very. That's a very powerful idea without question. I have to ask you this, though, because this is something that I get all the time as well. When you say, you know, oh, you hurt somebody in this life. Well, people will always bring up, well, how about Genghis Khan? He murdered 6 million, 10 million people. Or, you know, in war or in, you know, that you, you know, mass killers or whatever. These kind of. There's just extreme versions of calling someone a name.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Killing 9 million people.

[Christian Sonberg]

Two different lines somewhere in between those two things. There's a line.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's a line somewhere.

[Christian Sonberg]

We tend to.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right in our mind. So you're like, you know, that's why the whole concept of hell. And you have to be internally damn date like you. So what do you. Can you explain to everybody how you process as a soul that you were Genghis Khan?

[Christian Sonberg]

Okay, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the first of all, when you process from the other side, you see exactly who you are. And even there, wisdom is not automatic. You still have to decide what you're going to do with it. If you caused huge amounts of damage, then that's the person that you were. You're capable of causing huge amounts of damage. You then will decide what to do with that. I think it's very important in the meantime to not draw a huge distinction between levels of fear. And I Know that levels of scope, consequence, earthly consequence, may vary significantly, but there is not a very significant difference between my fear, your fear, or the fear in Adolf Hitler who led to his ego that killed millions of people. I'm. I know the scope may be extremely different, but fear is fear. And our own fear is what we're here to process, not Adolf Hitler's fear.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Christian Sonberg]

We need to meet our own fear. We're very quick to look at everybody else now, the external world, and to judge and to quickly turn a blind eye to our own weakness, our own fear. That's what the ego does. You know, don't look at that.

[Alex Ferrari]

That.

[Christian Sonberg]

Don't look at what your own issues are. That's too hard. It's easier to look out here and regain some power by judging or whatever else. But we're here to meet our own fear and to grow in love in our own way, even if it's very small. When we do that, even with a fear that may not have a huge scope on the outside, we are helping the collective consciousness of humanity to heal. You know, we're giving permission to everybody else in the pond to meet their fear. And that can very much heal the world, not only externally, but in each of us, which is where it starts. You know, consciousness is first.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Christian Sonberg]

The product of what it decides to do is second.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the. From the perspective of the soul, someone like Genghis Khan, it's hard to say from this perspective of the human perspective, but someone like Genghis Khan who. Who murdered and hurt so many people in his lifetime, he. Without him, those souls wouldn't have had the opportunity to experience what they experience, is what you're trying to say.

[Christian Sonberg]

Well, for some. For some. For some who would have experienced some challenge that might have been beneficial for them in some way, sure. However, this is not about, oh, let's go cause some pain because it's beneficial.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right? Yeah, please. Yes, please. Everyone listening, please. We're not saying that.

[Christian Sonberg]

That when we choose our context, we are loving beings. We're beings of love. That's what we are. And we seek to express and actualize that through even very difficult contexts. That's what we seek to do. Now. Are we unconditionally loved even if we kill a million people? We are. I'm not saying it's okay to kill a million people. We should. Absolutely. That is not the way of love. It's not. Not what we're called to do. But the true. Just see, we want justice. The ego says there must be justice. Show me the justice the true justice is that even Hitler is loved. It makes me emotional because we live in a world where so many people are hurt and we just want to evoke vengeance on each other. I just watched a near death experiencer on your channel. I'm sorry, I forget her name. She had, she had been raped and she decided by her intuitive guidance to not press charges. It was her decision against the person and he found her later in life and said it ate him alive and he ended up becoming a police officer and helping many other people to prevent that kind of a circumstance because she had not gone ahead and brought the justice system down on him. You know, she made that decision intuitively. I, I like cried when I heard that because she tried to make the loving decision even though she was the victim. And our world just hurts for the even, even the perpetrators to be loved. Love is the answer, you know. That is the ultimate healing power. And when we get to the other side, we know it. Imagine how well how you feel if you know you hurt a thousand people and you're still loved. Imagine that.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Right. And it's, It's a difficult. It's a difficult mindfield we're talking about because we're talking about two different, very different perspectives. The spiritual perspective versus the physical perspective. And I know people listening to this might have. Have difficulties hearing things like this, but I understand your point of view. I understand your point of view. 100. Look, Jesus said it, Buddha said it. I mean, there's so many spiritual masters who've said, you know, with, you were the first, you know, who has not sinned, throw the first stone and things like that. Like, we all go through things, some more extreme than others.

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah. But let me just make one, one quick comment, please. So love. Love. Love is love. Love is unconditional love. If, if there's a message that is less than that, it's not the ultimate truth. But meanwhile, unconditional love is also very wise. And the system of karma that exists is. With. Is built within that, that wisdom. So there is not such a thing. Some. So even though we were simultaneously uncompletely unconditional, we're completely, unconditionally loved. Even though that is true, we never escape who we are. There's not one thought, there's not one action that doesn't have. It's, it's, it's. I don't want to use the word justice, but it's balance.

[Alex Ferrari]

Balance.

[Christian Sonberg]

We are fully responsible for every single thing. We have done. Everything. And so there is. I'm just saying that that system of true balance takes place within and is fully transcended by unconditional love and unfathomable wisdom.

[Alex Ferrari]

My friend, I'm going to ask you a few questions. I ask all my guests. What is your definition of living a good life?

[Christian Sonberg]

Living a good life. Living a life that is in alignment with the love and peace and joy and freedom of our true nature in the physical.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of God?

[Christian Sonberg]

There are no words that could describe God. The. The living, loving, conscious, sentient foundation of all being who knows us. And the. The ocean we are. Drops in the mighty ocean. I love the Rumi quote. You are not just a drop in the ocean. You are the mighty ocean in the drop.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing.

[Christian Sonberg]

That's beautiful. And that ocean is. Is what we would call God.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Christian Sonberg]

Love. Love is the ultimate purpose of life. And it means so many things. Like, we tend to think love means, oh, the romantic love or the puppy dog love or the Parental love, love, real life, love life with a capital L, love with a capital L. And all the things that can mean living in joy and freedom and, and just doing it. How we can, even here in this cold, airless Mount Everest context.

[Alex Ferrari]

And where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing? Sir?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah, so I have a [e-mail] the book is available for free on the website, third link down. It's also on Amazon and I also recorded the Audible audiobook last December. And feel free to reach out to me by email. I get a lot of emails, so I apologize if I can't respond. But I do try to respond everybody I can. It's a walkinthephysicalmail.com and do you have

[Alex Ferrari]

any final words for our audience?

[Christian Sonberg]

Yeah. The last thing I'll say is, whoever you are listening today, thank you for being human. And you are not just the human story. You are. You like the you that feels like you to you. The free total, full of life and love and authentic you is who you are. Please don't forget that we get wrapped up in these deep, rich stories. I know it's very intense. Like, you know, we got to go to work and pay the bills and deal with the illnesses and deal with the relation. I know it's rich, but who you are transcends all of that. And there and then who you really are, there is absolutely nothing to fear. That is just such an important message that we need to share with each other. That, I mean, need to, but it's beneficial to share with each other.

[Alex Ferrari]

Christian, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your journey with us. And I hope this helps somebody out there listening right now. And thank you for your bravery and thank you for all the work you're doing for humanity as well, my friend. I appreciate you.

[Christian Sonberg]

Thank you as well, Alex. It's a great honor to be on. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 179. And if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next Level Soul tv. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the Next Level of your soul.

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