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NASA Rocket Scientist Reveals Spiritual Truth About UFOs with Shehnaz Soni
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BONUS MONDAYS: In the vast tapestry of human existence, we sometimes encounter moments that expand our consciousness and challenge our perceptions. Today’s episode is one such journey, where we welcome back the enlightened and insightful Shehnaz Soni....
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I'm doing great, Alex. Thank you, by the way, for bringing me to this gathering. I'm like, I'm just blown away from all the people that you have attracted. The amount of love that they show. I don't think I ever received that type of love, like, even, like, pages and pages. I mean, it was just quoting and not from just one place. All over the earth. I'm like. I'm like, holy shit. This is really big what you're doing. And I'm so grateful that I'm connected to that stream of love.
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Oh, I appreciate that so much. Yes. Our last conversation did very well. I still remember your email, like, what is happening? Oh, my God. And I'm like, calm down. It's. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay to talk you off the ledge because you're like, I don't understand what's happening. This is insane.
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I know. It's like, you know, you can talk about lying all day long, but when you have to actually see it, really, that's how it felt.
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Yeah, it was, it was. It was. And it was wonderful to watch from my point of view, because we, you know, when we bring people on the show, we shine a light on them and we shine a light on the. On the work they're doing and the message that they're putting out into the world. So we're an amplifier in many ways. And you're. When. When you reached out to us to be on the show. You know, my. My wife and I both looked at you and we're like, oh, yeah, absolutely. That's. We. Within 10 seconds, we're like, yeah, bring her on. It just. It wasn't feeling. It's a feeling. It's an instinct. It's a inner thing. And then when I met you, I'm like, oh, God. This girl has no idea what's coming towards her. She has no idea. I thought it was going to do well, but I didn't think it was going to explode the way it did. And continues to go, by the way, still. Still has traction like crazy. But you just kept emailing, what is happening? What's going on? I don't understand.
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I know. It's almost like you said, be careful what you wish for, right? And it was like, like, yeah. I mean, and. And you know, the funny thing is, the reason I learned about this episode being aired was that day on February 11th, whatever that date was. You know, I'm basically having, like, I'm with my boys and my phone keeps pinging is because I have my. My business email is getting a new sign up. And it was happening like. Like it was happening more like so many times within a minute that I was like, this. Contractions are too close, you know, for the childbirth. I'm like, I knew right away that you've done this, right? Because it's like, holy shit. It was like the phone was blowing away and I'm like, yeah.
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It was like, I'm so. I'm so. I'm so happy. I'm so just glad for you. So truly, truly glad that I could help you on your way. So I wanted to bring you back. We usually don't bring back people so early after we had them on the show, but there was so much we could talk about and I could talk. And we'll probably have you on another five or six times. I mean, it's just, if not more, because I love talking to you and you have such a unique perspective from your amazing story that you shared with us and how you came to where you are, what you've discovered along the way. But we touched upon something in the last episode, which was the first time I'd ever talked about it on the show, which was UFOs, UAPs. And I stayed away from it because there is a big stigma attached to UFOs, you know, little green men from Mars. UAPs. It's kind of very tinfoil Hatty, very conspiracy. So I tried to stay away from that Because. But I obviously believe that there's. There's life on other planets, there's life around the universe. I cannot, it's inconceivable to me that a source consciousness would just create little old us and, and just all this space, just a wasted amount of space that nothing's going on. Makes no sense to me. So on a. Just a logical standpoint that makes sense now. Them traveling here, traveling there, all that kind of stuff, that's the gray area which I wanted to kind of dive into with you. So when you, I mean you are obviously a NASA rocket scientist and you work at NASA currently and you working on the. Which mission is it? The one.
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Artemis.
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The Artemis. Thank you. The Artemis mission which is. It's putting people on the moon again. Like we're building space stations there and all that kind of stuff. So I've heard different things from different astronauts who've been in space that they've heard things or seen things. From a NASA, from a NASA point of view, what is their take on. I mean from being in the inside, what is their take on UAPs and UFOs? Because it is something that is government. The government agencies have now come on. There's been congressional hearings talking like yeah, we've seen them, here's the video. We don't know what it is. So it's really coming out of the Area 51 Roswell World and coming more into the mainstream, more into the. The zeitgeist of humanity. So I wanted to hear what NASA's point of view, if there's even one from someone who's working on the inside.
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So you know, it's interesting, right? Like NASA as an organization, they never really like, at least I have never heard like making them a statement I think that maybe they are making now. But in the long. I mean you don't hear that. But when you talk. Every single person that I work with, most of them are tracky, right? They love Star Trek, right? So think about that right there. If you love Star Trek means that there's something that is resonating with you because you actually relate to that. I actually watched Star Trek when I couldn't even speak English. And I relate to it, right? So I related to it. I loved it. I mean there was something about Star Trek that I was like I felt that telepathically. I just felt like I have been there or something, right? So the point is that that information is. We all have within our DNA. So in general when I meet with people and just like I meet with you right. You know, people are very much like 100% aware that there is more to the story because nobody would be working for NASA technically, if you think about it, because it's all about space exploration. And usually you are not excited about exploring the cosmos. If you're not going to meet any sentient being. I mean, why would you want to do that, right? I mean, there has to be some excitement.
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I'm exploring for old rocks. Yeah, we're looking for rocks somewhere. No, you want to meet an alien. You want to meet an alien.
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You want to have. Yeah, you want to have some curiosity. And same goes with under the Ocean, right? To me as above, so below. So the thing is, and we have already had stories that kind of have been proven by different people, you know, whistleblowers and people who came, you know, like, because a lot of time people are not able to speak openly about something that they're not meant to broadcast to the world because the world is not ready according to the leaders or whoever makes that, you know, observation. And that's how I think the world has been running. But the good thing is that people are realizing that we are not everything is not what it seems to be. We are realizing that there is, there is what you see and there is what really is. Like, you know, now you see, now you not. Like, if you think about it, it's like a hide and seek game is being played at a mega level, right. And, and selling off a perception is being played at a mega level. So think about it like if you have a technology where you can make people see what you want to see, that's what's going on. And that's, I'm talking about like, you know, of course there is mind control and other aspects of things, but, you know, it's a little bit of all of that is playing the role in the background. So, you know, when you say ufo, right? Unidentified Flight Flying Object, uap, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. I don't think it's unidentified. I think it has made to appear to be unidentified as more like that's what you want to broadcast.
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Hmm. So you're saying that when they put those labels on it, it's, that's the public eye. But they really do kind of understand what's going on behind this.
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I mean, they identified it, that's, that's why they made it unidentified for us. That's how I see it.
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It was picked up. It was picked up somewhere. It was picked up somewhere. And then they had to make sure that they wiped the evidence. That's how I see it. That's how it has been expressed.
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Yeah. I mean, it seems that, like, even the videos that they've shown in these congressional hearings from the. From the government agencies themselves mean the footage is pretty dramatic. It's. You know, I work in visual effects and worked in visual effects in Hollywood for a long time, so I know what a good visual effects looks like, you know, and I can tell when someone's kind of manipulated something. It's. It's not easy. A lot of people think, oh, it's easy. They just do that. It is extremely difficult to. To create a illusion of the eye convincingly. It is. I. I've worked with some of the highest end visual effects artists in the world. Worked on every big billion dollar, 200 million, Star wars and Marvel and everyone. And I've been a visual effects producer as well. So I understand the details of what it takes to pull the wool over somebody's eyes. The amount of the. The. It's just so difficult. I can't express how difficult it is to do it right. Because if you watch certain big movies, you see mistakes. I do. Because I have a trained eye. I'm like, oh, man. They. They didn't render that properly. Oh, God.
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So, o.
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So that's that. I wanted to throw that out there. For a lot of people. Because a lot of people think, oh, it's just something that they could do now with computers, it's not easy. And the stuff that they were showing, the kind of motion, the kind of. The tracking that would be needing, it would be such advanced visual effects software that I haven't seen yet, or at least Hollywood hasn't seen yet, that would be needed to kind of fake a lot of that stuff. And in my. In my humble and professional opinion.
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Right, right. Okay. So that's interesting. Right. So now let's think about when you want somebody to believe in a different perception, right. Than the one that. So you are technically selling. We all are selling a perception to some extent even, because subconsciously. Right. But we are talking about somebody who deliberately does it. Right. So there is one way you do it is through the mind control, right? So that way you can make them believe something because you have given them some sort of narrative. Right. Because we are, you know, you can reprogram your DNA. Right. So you. You're given a narrative and you are taking that and making it your own. So it's almost like somebody doesn't have to do a lot of work because now you're going to create your own imagination, but it's going to match the perception they're selling. Right. So that's one way of doing it, which is probably happening at a mega level. The other way, like David Copperfield. Right. I was very amazed by him. Right, right. I mean, like, I'm like, wow, how can you make people see whatever you want to see? Now, that's a very interesting way of selling a perception.
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Yeah. And that's sleight of hand, misdirection. There's a bunch of things that magicians do. I've studied and worked with some musicians over the years, so I kind of heard and understood a little bit of what they do and how they do it. It's masterful. It's a. It's a craft. It's a craft and artifacts, some better than others with it, but it is possible to do. I mean, some things that I've seen, I'm like, how the hell did they do? And then they show you behind the scenes how they do it and you're like, well, hell, it was so easy. It seems so simple, but yet so difficult. So, all right, so from NASA's. So from NASA's point of view, they don't. They don't say a whole lot about it yet. But what have you heard in the hallways from your colleagues? We kind of Mentioned a little bit about every time there's a launch. Some. There are certain things that happen. Is there anything that at the water cooler that the engineers tell you talk about or they say something that's not something that's really talked about? I mean that you could say, obviously I don't want to get you in trouble.
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Right, right. That is the thing that generally that is the thing that people are, you know, like, I mean, you know, you have a certain credential that gets you into these positions. So for the most part, you know, you are kind of a. It's almost like, I don't want to use the word trained monkey, but you see my point. There's a certain pattern that they look for in a people to a place like that. And for the most part I think people are very like scientific minded. Like majority of the people that I run into, they're so scientific minded sometimes that it's like if they don't have the proof according to them, then no matter what they are going to keep denying it even though they're going to watch the Star Trek all day long. But they don't really connect the dot. Like they don't think that if you're so taken by this, maybe some part of you actually lives in that reality. You see, that is not the way they see the world. Right. So I'm talking about majority. But the interesting thing happened to me was that I had people who were non engineers, but their parents were engineers with top secret clearance or they actually were child when they overheard a conversation that their dad was talking to the Admiral. And then they would come and tell me the story of things that they saw that they were not supposed to see. Right. So it's kind of an interesting thing that how I hear from people who are, who are not in the system because you know, they were not given the, you know, they didn't sign.
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They're adjacent. They're, they're adjacent to the system.
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Yeah, they're adjacent to the. So for whatever reason, at least for me, that is the way I heard things that were like, you know, some one person said that, you know. Yeah, there's definitely, you know, graves, you know, the alien that are like, you know, 4 foot or whatever. All of that 100% exists, you know, and, and partly they were, they were crafted for a reason. They were crafted so that they can actually sustain the space environment. So when you really start thinking about that, Alex. Yeah, that actually makes me think that, you know, when you watch Terminator. Right. Because past, present and future. Remember they're pretty much we're doing the dance with different dimension based on string theory. So. So the whole point is that when you feel the way, you know, when you understand all of that, just think about Alex. That isn't it. Our future self is contacting us because they already have gone. That place where we are wanting to go because it's part of us communicating back to us.
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That's fascinating. When I looked at some of the, when I looked at some of the ships or the footage I was seeing, the movement that they were doing is so breaking physics in a way that we don't understand how. I mean, they're moving at such speeds and at such banking speeds and turns that they go so fast that they would destroy any human being inside of it because of just G forces and just general laws of physics. But what I, from what I understand is that inside of those potentially is basically another, like another atmosphere, another environment inside of it that is almost irrelevant to the exterior environment there. So they're kind of like, no matter how fast they go, how, how sharp of a turn it is, it doesn't affect them internally because they've learned how to not deal with the gravity of the, of the planet or something along those lines. Does that make any scientific sense?
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Yeah, because. So there are so many ways looking at it. First of all, classical physics is not going to ever justify, right. What we are experiencing. And, and that to me has always been like, I, I truly don't understand that, why you would discover, you know, quantum physics and quantum theory, like over 100 years ago, and you are not teaching that to the. As a mainstream science, right. It's almost like, because, you know, that gives you, like I use quantum physics and I say that that gives you the power actually to make you have a choice in this binary world, right? You can do whatever you want with your life. So that takes people away from like that victim mentality because quantum physics brings the, you know, accountability in your life. But going back to what we are talking about, the whole, it's, it's. To me it makes sense because, you know, in the quantum word or in the nano, you know, when you get into the nanotechnology, right, Things are very, very small and we're not able to see it. So that just takes us in a whole different spin of what are the possibilities, right? When you think about quantum entanglement, right, which is all about you. When you're entangled with, with, with that the time is no longer going to be the, you know, the, the variable because two Quantum entangled particles can affect each other. Actually sometimes it can affect like the particle that they're actually putting the effect on is the other particle that gets the effect before even this one that's been observed as well. Right. So if you really think about it then the. It just completely really makes you question the whole speed, speed of light and then. Right. So all of that. And then when you converse that. And I have heard Basher say that, that he made a small documentary where he was saying that how location is embedded in our DNA. So when you start getting into that, then it just starts. And then the sentient being can actually be in a very small mass. Right. So that takes away from. And then when you combine that with Billy Carson where he says we can all fit in a one cube of sugar, right? So, so you see all of these things when you start thinking about completely messes us up in a way. Because you know, one person, because we are 3D species, right? We are supposed to evolve within this physical reality and dimension because of this limitation that we are already born with. Now we're talking about all these dimensions that we are actually not able to tap into while we are here. So it's a conundrum that we're dealing with. Like what I'm saying is it's almost like you want to understand God but you are a segment of it, right? So how can you understand something that, that you are not even able to access?
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That makes. Yeah, that makes perfect sense. It's. It's almost like the ability, I mean from talking to so many near death experiencers, the idea of telepathy is a big one. So there's no language on the other side. You just know the download of information. You just automatically are plugged into the entire universe and all of knowledge of all time. So you're like, oh, quantum physics completely understand that now they can never bring it back because our hardware just can't handle it. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show. But the other thing is too is like when they think of someplace, they're there. It's the speed of thought, not the speed of light. So time and space don't exist on the other side. It's. It's a completely different thing. You just are instantly there. And I hear that. I thought again and again and again and again and again. So it almost seems like there's a version of that in this reality that you can tap into. There's still laws within the world of this construct. If you will. But there are ways to break those laws or at least bend them in a big way. Very similar to Matrix. The Matrix with Neo. Neo understood the code and he was able to manipulate the code in a way that everybody else could not very much like a. A master yogi or an avatar like Buddha or Jesus was able to manipulate the code, manipulate this environment in ways that look magical to others. Especially like Jesus, I mean, walking on water and. Which is, you know. And you start talking about the yogic things. It's insane. What you. What do you think?
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Yeah, no, I think the whole manipulation of matter is the. Is the alchemy, right? Is that's the spiritual alchemy. And the interesting thing is if you think about it, that either you manipulate the matter or you manipulate the perception, right? Both cases.
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So what's real and what's not? It doesn't really matter. It's like. It's like that scene in the Matrix is like, I know the steak is not real, but it tastes good to me and I don't care.
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Right. And you know what? Right? And then let's just take it even further. Okay, so another show that I would recommend is called Peripheral. You put a headset on and you are playing this video game, basically, that takes you into a different time and space. And also everything that you do in that time and space, it actually is real because you are really going there because of the technology that they've invented, because they're showing a future that's 70 years away. So that's one. One aspect of it. So the very fact is that, you know, remember, I mean, there are theories that we're living in a simulation, right? And if technically. Right, if technically, let's say that we are wearing a headset somewhere and now. But because we don't see that part of us, because it's not one of those Call of Duty game where you only see two hands. You know what I mean? Therefore, we are not. We think that we are not, but we can be because the advanced game can show you. Exactly. So that you feel like you are truly living a real. Because that's the whole intention of the game, is that you feel real about what you're interacting with, so that it just takes it pretty far.
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So let me ask you, what do you think the spiritual implications are that we're starting to see more UFOs, UAPs, and talking about this so much more openly than we used to? It's still not very widely spoken about. It's still. I mean, I still remember, like, it was just what is a year ago that this a year, year and a half ago when they did the congressional hearings and it was like a blip on the news. It was kind of like, oh yeah, there's UFOs. What? Like it just kind of like it was like ah, yeah, of course, because there's so much noise in the media, there's so much stuff going on that it was just another thing. Unless some, unless literally an alien spaceship lands on the, the lawn of the White House and walks out, that's not going to be front page news. So why do you think that this is starting to happen more and more now? Why are we getting this information more? Why are we more accepting and what is the spirit spiritual implications of all of this?
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So I think one of the thing is that our consciousness level has changed and is changing really drastically. Like just in general, like how every single thing, like even the way everybody's perceiving time is changing in the last decade especially, right? I mean the whole 2012 Mayan calendar and people were thinking it was end of the world, but it was end of the old way of living. So all of that has taken that effect, right? The ripple effect and what we're seeing now and what, what is coming is going to even change it like really drastically. Because you know, if you really look at our evolution as a human species that we were, you know, like a caveman, right. Or how we went agriculture, industrial, right. How did we get into computers? Things are happening at the faster level, right? The evolution like in the last 50 years, what we have done with the computer, now we are dealing with A.I. it's like iRobot is happening, right? So all of that is a, is a exemplifies that how every, in every aspect of our life we are evolving. So technologically we are evolving, but spiritually we're also evolving, right? So therefore we're having this type of conversation. And when you really look at the fact that because of the evolution, you know, we have like cell phones where every single person from all over the world now can make videos, can record something right away and, and then we have Internet where you can share all this information. So that has completely like we are no longer in this single point failure that we have been where we were only expecting our leaders, our mass media to tell us what's really happening. Now we're living in a world where we are. Everybody's a newsman or newswoman, right?
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Yeah.
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So that to me has opened the door for, for the truth to come out faster. So no, it's hard to control that. And that is the reason we're learning so much about ufo, uap, the intelligence, the sentient being, because that has been there. We are becoming aware of it because we are ready to embrace that. We are ready to merge with it.
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Do you believe that there has been sentient beings that have arrived at one point or another on this planet in the, in current day? Because I'm going to ask you about ancient history in a minute.
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I think, I personally think for, you know, that ancient being has all has been here before, even human, right? Like, like there has been that being that kind of is, you know, like that, that falls in the energy of like, you know, some people would call them God because, you know, they showed up in a certain way in our history that they exude God and, and, and just, you know, like, I mean, based on the God being omnipresent, right? We all exude God, but sometime when we see something like Jesus walking on the water, then we, because that is just beyond our imagination, we, we say, wow, you know, that represents God, you see?
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Yeah, it's interesting. So, so do you believe it has, has in your opinion? Just. This is purely your belief? Nobody else's? No other organizations?
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I'm not saying no four letter organizations.
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No four letter organizations. Point of view, your personal point of view. Do you believe that we have been visited or are, are currently being visited in one way, shape or form by sentient beings from, from another place? And if so, what does that mean spiritually for our evolution?
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Yeah, so the first answer is yes. And, and what it actually, that actually gives a lot of promises for our evolution because think about it, that there is sentient being that's actually interested in us. There must be something good about us.
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We're interesting. We're interesting. Was it Star Trek? Okay, because I'm not a, I'm a, I'm, I'm a, I'm a Trekkie to a certain extent. I'm more Star Wars. I'm more Star wars, but I'm, but there was a, I'm a big, I was, I watched all the movies and I think it was Undiscovered country or First Contact. I think it was First Contact. No, it was First Contact where it was in the, in the, in the past of Star Trek and they, they were supposed to shoot this rocket off or something and that rocket was what a passerby alien species saw and said, oh, there's a species down there that has been able to do this. They must be someone we should Take a look at. They've. They've reached a certain level of evolution that now it's time to go. So that in that movie that made. When I saw that, I was like, well, that actually makes a lot of sense. Like, we did something so rudimentary that they're like, okay, it's time for us to go down there and talk to them. Is that something do you think, that we have done at one point or another, that they finally said, okay, this. That the evolutionists come to a point where we should come down? Because I'm assuming if an alien spaceship landed during Mongolian, you know, Genghis Khan days, they're gonna throw arrows at us and they're like, what's the point of this conversation?
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Like, you know, because it's not that exciting, right? When you're fighting with someone that there's no chance of any kind of excitement, then it's just almost like, I don't want to waste my energy. This is going to be too boring.
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Right, right, right.
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There has to be a proper matching evolution level for them to even interact with us. But I would say, yes. 100, like, atomic bomb. Right. I mean, that was a pretty major. Right.
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Yes.
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Right. And right now, like, thanks fully. We haven't used any nuclear weapon, but think about it. And the only reason we haven't used it is because everybody has it.
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Right? Yeah. All the big boys have it. Yeah.
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Right. So it's like, okay, you know what? I don't want to fight with you because it's going to be not a good fight because, I mean, I have no chance of winning because we're all going to lose at the end of the day. Right. I mean, that's. That's where we are. So, yeah, that definitely is there.
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But there's also the part of the story that we're not 100% clear on. Right. Because, you know, the whole evolution story, there's a Lucy story that comes from the caveman and our ancestry, there is a big bang. Right. Which kind of connects a little bit with that. But then there's all this religion have their own story on how we came into existence. And then when you really understand the Anunnaki and that story, which means that we were basically spliced in the lab as a, you know, like as a species. So all of these things are converging, Right? Because. Because not you. You can't. You know, even though you've read, like, many books, and you understand all of these possibilities, and I do too. And at the end of the day, you know, we're all kind of like deciding possibility is because we do affect the quantum field, because we interact with it. Our belief, right, Perpetuates what we experience.
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So we all are choosing the direction we're going, and it's not going to. And I've said this at nauseam on the show. It's like we are going towards. We are shifting, but it's going to be rocky because there's a lot of old systems that are holding on, trying to grab on. And there's a lot of souls. And people who don't want to leave, don't want to evolve, don't want to awake. They're like, no, no, we like the old way. I don't. I'm too scared of the new way. I want to go back to what I know. And there's that kind of tug and pull and we have to kind of like bring them up with us with this new way. And you could see it. You could see. Just turn on the news and you can see the light in the dark almost, or just a two. Not even bad or good, just two different energies that are.
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Are.
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Are fighting in a way, right?
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I mean, and it became more prevalent after the whole covet thing happened, right? Because when people started doing remote work and the people who wanted to actually do more from life, they were like, my God, I love the freedom. I mean, that's. When I did my book, by the way, is because of that, that option I was available, that I had a little bit more time to do something because I wasn't spending it in driving, right? But that actually is what is creating this dichotomy, right? That people are choosing site. And I think that is how we are perpetuating the type of world we want to live in, the type of Earth we want to live in, the type of people we want to live with. So all of that, our action is deciding. And that's the thing that I choose, right? So when I talk about reality shopping, which is the word I use very casually, because it's all about not just hopping reality, but shopping for one, making a binary choice consciously to perpetuate something that you want to perpetuate. Because every action you're taking, you are making a habit out of it. You're actually programming yourself. You're reprogramming your subconscious by your action. So when you really start thinking about all of that, you're like, it's so important that you choose something that you want to do. And once you Once. If everybody does that, Right. Everybody does that. Conscious choice, then we all can be that like, Finding Nemo scene, right? Where the daddy. Where, remember the fishes were trapped and then finding Nemo. Dad says that swim down, swim down. Right. That's exactly what our consciousness wants to do at the cellular level within the human, at the Earth level, within the 8 billion human. And then it just keeps perpetuating as above, so below.
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Very much so. Very much so. Now, you mentioned something a second ago, the Anunnaki, which is. Yeah, recently one of my favorite topics to talk about. And it's something that when you. When ancient historians, you can't even say the A word because it just. Like it's myth. It's myth. It's just stories. Yeah, they don't. They don't. And again, whether you believe it was real or not, it's just there's a lot of things pointing to the Anunnaki. And not only the Anunnaki, but then the same story across cultures around the world all have this. Sky gods, light beings from. From out from the sky. These. They all have a version of this story in different points of view, if you will. So it. That says something because apparently we remember we weren't supposed to know each other back then. We weren't supposed to be talking to each other back then. So how the hell. You know. And like I told people, I tell people all the time, like, you know, you and I can write a book right now pretty easily, but to tell a story for fun back then. Let me get that stone out. Okay, Let me get the chisel. All right. I just gotta. In the. You know, and it takes. Oh, I can't. There's no white out. There's no delete button. Like you was very intentional what they were putting down. So from your point of view as a scientist, even looking back at the Anunnaki story, which is from the Sumerians, Babylonians, that kind of. It's in the Epic of Gilgamesh, the oldest story known to man. I'm saying all these things, you know, but I'm just saying it for the audience if they don't know this.
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Right.
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The Anunnaki were supposedly sky gods or alien beings that came down, saw us, and according to the story is that they wanted gold to help their planet and they weren't going to do the work, so they needed a. A what? What's the species? A slave. A slave race that was smart enough to do the work. But not too smart to over, you know, to go too far. And they kind of found this Homo sapien running around. Which by the way, to my understanding at the time, there were multiple versions of humanoids, like Neanderthals and other at the same time. But for whatever reason, Homo sapien jumped like, did a quantum jump really quickly and basically became the dominant force on the planet. I'd love to hear your thoughts of that whole story, the gene splicing, the, the, the breeding. Because I understand they try again. This is from the story that I read that they try to breed and had many failures. That's where a lot of the myths come from. Where the giants, Cyclops is, these kind of ideas came from. This is what I hear. But the, but when one of the gods procreated with a woman, that was the very first one that made sense and like, okay, this is what we'll do and all that stuff. So they did some lab work, they did some gene splicing. I'd love to hear what you think from a scientific point of view, it's such a fantastical story that's in antiquity. I just love to hear your thoughts.
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Right. And you know, when you watch a movie like Prometheus, right. I mean it really hits home that that to me was like, wow. Right. But you know, I, I think that all of that connects with everybody's story. So. So my understanding is that there is definitely a high possibility that we were a creation of a splicing. Right. Because our DNA does have like first of all, you know, they say that our DNA does have this non coding DNA, right. Which is actually where all the information resides about what we were created kind of from in terms of. And there is, there's a theory about this that, that we were basically, you know, like all the species that we actually project in the sci fi movies were actually. It's in our non DNA, non coding DNA. Then there's a whole thing about the wow signal. So wow. If people types wow on their Google, the wow signal actually kind of proved that scientifically that our DNA have species that's beyond comprehension. In the non coding part of the DNA, that's what the wow signal was.
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So what's the non coding part of the DNA? I'm not certain.
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Majority of the percentage of the DNA I believe is kind of non. They call it junk DNA. Yeah, junk, Right, right. I'm basically referring to that as non coding because they call it junk because they couldn't understand what it was. But junk is not the right name. And just because you don't understand doesn't mean it's junk.
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Yeah, because. Because there's. Because the entire planet, the entire universe has like junk in it. No, everything is. So if you just watch an ecosystem, watch it, just go watch Discovery Channel for a minute and watch how the animal kingdom works, how perfect everything is in an ecosystem from the animal, the predator who eats this. And if they don't eat this,
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everything
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is so perfectly built. You mean to tell me that our DNA there's like eh.
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Exactly. That makes no sense. Right? And to me, whichever scientists came up with that name, they should have thought about it. Because you know, when I was watching the documentary of how our DNA does all the coding and decoding, right. I mean when you see. It took about 200 years, hundreds of scientists to figure out like small, like you know, few scientists end up getting the glory, but there were so many scientists involved just to get to the point where we understood what gene is, what DNA is, what these, you know, the entire shape of the DNA with the Jacob Ladder, all of that was done with so much intricate step by step process over hundreds of years. I mean 200 minimum. When I was watching the documentary, I was like, wow, so you're right. So the whole thing is. And still we don't understand the DNA is what I'm saying. Right? Still we really don't understand because majority of the DNA that we classify as young DNA is where a lot of information lies. And the wow signal basically kind of scratched the surface scientifically, pretty much saying that splicing is possible is pretty much what I'm saying to you.
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Yeah, it was a very good possibility. And the other thing that was really interesting, and I was talking to a researcher in ancient civilizations and they brought up something so beautiful and I never thought about it, is that we as a species are not really well built for this environment. And bear with me, animals don't get sick. Generally in nature they don't get sick. I had, you know, I've had animals for years, they don't get sick. Only time they get sick is because of human interaction, human food, poisons and that we, chemicals, things like that. That's when they get pets, I mean, or even, even livestock or things like that, but just animals in the, you know, you know, gorillas in the, in the mist are not getting cancer. Like that's just generally not it. And so there's that. And then we are hairless. So we're not really built for the sun. So if we're outside, we're going to burn While other animals have fur, have things to protect them from the elements. We are pretty wide open. We're not kind of built for it. The Neanderthal was much stronger than us. Much, much stronger than us. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show. And from, I understand had similar brain, a size of a brain. So it was a similar brain size, stronger than us physically. And yet we, for whatever reason, and they were hairier too. From what I understand. They were more built for this planet. Well, I'm not saying we're aliens or anything like that, but there's something that happened in our, in our evolution that just didn't make sense for us. If it wasn't for our brains, we would die off as a species. Our brain is the only thing keeping us alive because then we put on jackets, we put on coals, we make shelters to protect us from the elements, while animals generally don't need to do that. So it's, it's really fascinating to think about that.
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Right? And I think that, yeah, and you're touching on the very interesting subject here because, you know, the sustainability, the self sustainability, the feedback loop, right. Like even our, even our entire human craft actually works very beautifully when we get out of the way, right. Because it has a self sustaining system. I mean, you know, we get fever because we are meant to get fever because our body is trying to protect us from it getting worse than that, right. So that way we can do the right thing and get. It's basically triggering us to get an attention. So you are 100% right that it's very interesting because on one hand we are a complex species with the brain, with the mind, and the mind is the reason we survive. But I think mine is the reason we have messed ourselves up at the same time. Because if you think about it, in the process of surviving or in the process of going into technology, we kind of let our ego run the show. And that's why what happened was that people in this competition mode on have created so many messages because they prioritize money over love or whatever. I mean, the priority is not there. You know, what should be your priority? Like it should be love, not fear, right? Because based on quantum physics, everybody can have everything if they really want. Because there is plenty for everyone.
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Of course it's infinite. The universe is infinite. There's infinite amount of planets, there's infinite amount. And then if you want to get into quantum physics, there's infinite parallel realities or infinite universes and it just goes on and on and on and on. There is no, there's no, there's no lack in the universe. There just isn't.
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It's Right. Lack is only in your mindset.
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Correct.
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And, and the thing is that, and the mindset has been perpetuated and people have made that as kind of like, you know, their belief system. And I think that that is how we can break that pattern of going in this one extreme. Because if we can come back where we can live with the balance equation. By the way, the book that I'm writing, I use the word balance equation and explain that because it's all about making a choice in a way that the law of conservation of energy is perpetuating something that's self sustainable. It has a feedback loop. Just like you said, that everything takes care of everything. Like three beams, right. Like, like you. And that to me is the most beautiful dream of any scientist. Right? Like, because if you think about it, if you can create something where everything is being used in a way that, and that's how you can build community, that's how you can build everything from that perspective. So it's actually where we all have to go. Because I think that they're actually even designing some video games, by the way, where they're making people realize that when you're going to work in collaboration, then you're going to have a better chance ultimately of getting where you want to go versus competition. Because if you think about ants, right, the only, like ants can technically eat an elephant. The only reason they can do that is that they can collaborate. There's no way one ant can ever do it.
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Right. And there's never one ant that says, I want all the elephant.
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That's true. Because that ant is going to explode. It can never eat enough for rest of its life. So if you, that's, that's the mindset that we need. Right. So I think that that actually is tied to quantum field, quantum physics. And whatever you believe in, it doesn't really matter. The idea is that you have to believe in the fact that, that when you tap into your own power that is within you, then you are not taking away from somebody else's power. That's the mindset that we want to perpetuate. Right?
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Right. Just because I get money doesn't mean that I'm taking it from someone else.
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Exactly.
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I mean, literally, if you want to think about money, money is created every second of every day. Every time you insert money into the bank system, our banking system is built that way. For every dollar you put in, they can lend out $10 on it. So they're literally making money out of air all the time. All the time. So there's literally an infinite amount of money in the world. They truly, truly is.
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That is true.
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So it's. It's. It's when I found that out about
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reserve, and nobody had their money with them. Right. I mean, no matter even if it's in your purse, it's truly not doing anything until you access it. So. So the whole thing about the money, like, it's like. Right. And even people who are billionaire or it doesn't matter how rich you are at a time, whatever experience you're doing, it's all a perception. The money is a perception.
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Well, absolutely. You know, I could all of a sudden say, this is the rarest phone in the world. And the value of this, let's say I, you know, I bought it for $1,000, but now it's worth a million dollars. Well, where did that wealth come from? From a perception, from an idea. It was created. It was created out of thin air and brought to me based on what. What I might have or what the perception of what I have is. Why is one little piece of cardboard with a baseball player on it from 1932 worth 100, you know, a million dollars? It's a piece of cardboard. You know, it's just a piece of cardboard. You know, why is a painting with some paint on it or canvas with some paint on it painted by a dude who cut off his ear worth $80 million? It's perception. It is. It is. It's all perception. So I'm bringing all that up because it's. Because you look at things and it's. You know, I've been to a comic book convention. I don't know if you've ever been to a comic con. And it's amazing, Amazing. You see, and I've, you know, you collect comic books or you look at a comic book and you're like, well, that's the first Spider Man. No, it's a bunch of paper with ink on it.
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But you give it.
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But people. Not only I give it value. Large groups of people have been told that this is valuable because of what story is in it or what through it. It is absolutely not worth it's paper. It's only worth what you could burn for it, for heat.
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Yeah. And you know what? So you right now just hitting on something that I have to bring it up, is that the value is kind of related to supply versus demand. Right. And if you really think about it in this day and age, like movie makers or people who are like actor, actress, they make so much more money that it's like there's just such a vast difference between them. And like normal public, right? Like even normal public, like we're talking about doctors. Even doctors come pretty low compared to what they make, right? So if you think about it, there's this very big dichotomy that why would we have to give so much importance to somebody who's pretending to do something to show you something versus somebody who's doing right in front of you the real thing?
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You see, you know, that's beautiful. I've never really thought about that. Yeah. So why should we pay George Clooney more to play a doctor and not pay the doctor more for doing the saving, doing it?
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And you can watch the live show and it's way more realistic, actually. And I mean, it is fascinating.
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No, I never thought about it that way. But you're absolutely right.
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Why?
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But that's a societal thing. That's like why that's a societal thing.
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And what I'm hitting on is supply versus demand. If people are going to keep tapping into that energy, right, the one that truly is selling a lot of illusion, not really giving you the feeling of love, then that's what you're going to keep getting, right? So how are we going to change that? Is by action. Like I was thinking, when I drive from my house to my work, right, And I see all these fast food places, and if I don't want to support the fast food, then I should not eat the fast food, right. Ultimately, if everybody does what Shenaz is doing, what's going to happen is fast food is not going to make money selling the fast food. They may come up with two multiple ways to solve the problem. They may say we have to give a really healthy food now, right, and stay in business or. Or go somewhere where people are still sleeping. I mean, I know I'm being kind of a little bit exaggerating it, but you see my point. Supply versus demand is at play in everything in our lives. So we all are going to have to take that tiny action of only feeding into something that we really feel good about.
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Agreed? Agreed, 100%. Now, going back to you mentioned Bashar, who Darrell's a good friend of mine and has been on the show multiple times. I love Darrell and I love the teachings of Bashar. He's been doing it for over 40 years. One thing that he told me years ago, and I'd Love to hear what you think is that Bashar, as an alien entity that Darrell is channeling, could not come to Earth because his vibration is at such a high level that it would literally just knock us over, hurt us, because he's vibrating at such a high frequency that we couldn't deal with it very much. Like if you raise the frequency of a. Of a audio. Audio frequency, your ears start to. Because you can't literally handle that kind of frequency or even on the body, you start throwing frequency at a body, your body can't handle it because it's not built to do that. What is your thoughts on that idea? The hypothesis that he presented that an alien being would have to be at such a high level to reach the kind of knowledge and intelligence that he has reached or she's reached, or it has reached, that we. They wouldn't be able to come down here at least and, like, hang out with us and have coffee, you know, it's like, not a thing. So what would you. What's your think? What's your thoughts on it? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show.
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So it kind of goes back to how the frequency and vibration and everything comes into existence because of the vibration, right, of the quark and leptons, if you want to look at it, literally from whatever CERNs are doing to understand our subatomic particle existence, right? So based on all of that, when you weave it into the fact that there are beings like Basher, that beings, they come from a different planet, they have frequency and vibration that is different. They are not. They don't exist in human form. We are in this human form for a reason. We are also in a dense reality, right? So our reality is much denser than other people, other intelligent being. So of course, if they want to interact with someone like us, then the only way they can interact is that they have to either come down so much in that density, right? So that they can interact in terms of, you know, the light and density show that we are interacting with, or they have to find a host, right? Or some other mechanism where somebody can become a container for them so that they can live in that body. Right? Now, I feel like that when people are channeling like Basher is, then it's kind of more like that they are basically accessing that energy stream, you know, at the time when they're channeling. And depending on how much they embody it, right, they can either become 100% one with it, you know, like Bashar Right. I mean, he completely transforms. Some people stay a little bit on the surface. So I think everybody has their own way of saying, how much are we willing to let you in? Right. Because it is, it is a agreement that you're making because. And it is a trust. I mean, it's a huge trust that Basher and Darren and has with each other. I mean, they're, you know, but they, they probably made that contract eons ago. Right. I mean, there is so much more to the story when you. When you really start unwinding it. But yeah, I actually do believe 100% that every single thing that exists is the dance of frequency and vibration. And that's beings. That is whether they're UAP or, you know, UFO or alien or star beings or extraterrestrial or somebody who actually participated in our creation. All of that boils down to the dance of frequency and vibration and different density and different dimension and different layers. Right. And different way of perceiving the information. And the very fact that we are definitely in a lower density and the fact that we're having this conversation means that we're doing pretty good. But it makes it harder, right, if you think about it, because while you're in this limited light vessel, it does limit your comprehension.
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Yeah, our hardware is limited. Our hardware is extremely limited comparatively to the knowledge of the universe.
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Right.
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It's extremely, extremely limited.
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And how much light can you hold at a time, depending on how much permission you give yourself, Right? How much. And that's what, that's what I think we need to open up for people is like, please, my God, give yourself a permission to be who you are meant to be.
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And, and because I've spoken to, I don't know, 60 or so channels at this point. And in what I do, the common thread is that they, most of them had to prep their nervous systems to handle the frequency and the energy that comes in, because if not, they would blow a circuit. I even had people channels who've come on. They're like, they've had a, like a preparatory entity who was at like level two to prepare them for the level five that's coming in in a year or two. And they had to kind of work their way up and build their tolerance up so they can, you know, finally like, okay, it's like lifting weights. Like you, you could only lift five pounds now, but you're gonna be lifting 25 pounds in two years. So we gotta work out. And that's what they would do. So it, again, what I try to do is connect those dots with these conversations. And I see where these things are starting to connect more and more as I talk to people like yourself and people like Bashar and Daryl and ancient civilizations and, you know, healers and everything. It's really a fascinating, fascinating journey. Shanaz, I cannot wait for our next conversation. I'm so looking forward to it. You will be coming back for sure, I promise you. Because I love, love, love talking to you. And you have such a beautiful perspective on the topics we're talking about because you come both from a scientific. A very deep, deep scientific background, but also a very deep spiritual background. And you're a unicorn in that sense. There's not many of you out there. So keep doing what you're doing. Keep fighting the good fight and trying to help people awaken. And I do appreciate for you coming on and for everything you do in the world.
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B
Well, thank you, Alex. I loved it. I had so much fun. Thank you for taking me in this journey where we both completely got lost. Like. Like, I feel like we just get lost like children, right? And we had this, like, you know, what we started with and where we went, and now we are like, wow, we need to wake up because we have to interact with the other reality. So, yes, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Looking forward for more excitement. And I'm so happy that you are. You are holding the baton for all of us because you are, you know, you exemplify. And I have to say this because you know, you are not just helping people who have a certain number attached with them in terms of how many followers they have. You're going with your heart and picking me up because you want to pick me up. Otherwise. So I'm just saying that I so appreciate you because I have not seen that. And I think we need more to use our heart and do it. Love this. So thank you. Thank you for that. And yes, thank you.
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A
Until next time, my dear. Thank you again.
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Yes,
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