Podcast Summary: Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: NLS 619 — Humanity Entering the HIEROPHANT STAGE! ARCHANGEL METATRON, ENOCH & St Germain with Robert Edward Grant
Date: September 6, 2025
Host: Alex Ferrari
Guest: Robert Edward Grant

Episode Overview

Alex Ferrari welcomes polymath and spiritual thinker Robert Edward Grant back to explore humanity’s current spiritual evolution—the "Hierophant Stage"—through lenses of ancient mystical traditions, alchemy, esoteric symbolism, and personal experience. Together, they embark on topics including Kundalini, the role of darkness and light, the journey through the chakras, collective awakening, the true origins of Saint Germain and Metatron, and the integration of ancient wisdom with modern becoming.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Nature of Chakras and 'Grantis': Spiritual Knots Blocking Awakening

[03:51 – 13:22]

• Chakras & Kundalini Knots: Robert introduces the concept of "grantis" (spiritual knots) between chakras that must be untied for true Kundalini awakening.
  • “They're called grantis.” — Robert [04:45]
• Origin of the Term: Grant recounts a Sikh wedding where he learned about ‘granti’ and its resonance with his own name.
• Grantis as Dimensional Barriers:
  • Each granti acts as an energetic barrier (like a speed bump) that must be overcome for consciousness to move into higher dimensions.
  • Example of chakras as corresponding to musical notes and dimensions (line, plane, volume, time, etc.).

2. The Hierophant Stage & The Elephant as Symbol

[07:07 – 12:18; 34:23 – 37:18]

• Hierophant in Tarot & Alchemy:
  • The elephant represents the “Hierophant” card—a stage akin to spiritual mastery, balance, and integration in both Tarot and alchemy.
  • “The symbology of the hierophant is often associated with the elephant.” – Robert [10:00]
• Humanity Moving to the Fifth (Throat) Chakra:
  • We are collectively entering the ‘Hierophant’ or fifth chakra (throat) stage—self-awareness, sovereignty, and co-creation.
  • “We're going into the stage—Age of Aquarius—fifth chakra.” – Robert [34:23]

3. Integrating Light and Darkness / Shadow Work

[11:12 – 15:15]

• True Spiritual Mastery:
  • Masters don’t eradicate darkness—they integrate it: “Divinity is the balance of the two. It’s not getting rid of the dark.” — Robert [11:15]
  • “I'm not afraid of people that have darkness. I'm only afraid of people who believe they have none.” — Robert [14:54]
• Mirrors and Patterns:
  • Relationships as mirrors for self-integration; repeating life patterns indicate unmastered lessons.

4. Manifestation & Duality: Lessons from Patterns

[16:38 – 19:08]

• Life Lessons through Duality:
  • Scarcity consciousness persists when one fears lack—abundance only arrives through acceptance of the opposite.
  • “Stop feeling the lack. It’s your feeling of lack that creates more lack.” – Robert [18:58]
• Discernment and Acceptance:
  • Limiting beliefs and repeated challenging events are invitations for deeper acceptance.

5. Alchemical Journey: From Suffering to Enlightenment

[37:18 – 39:31]

• Meaning Behind Suffering:
  • Suffering, like mathematics without meaning, becomes pivotal when given purpose.
  • “As soon as you realize that there's meaning…suffering becomes the source of your enlightenment.” — Robert [37:18]
• Breaking Through to Higher Dimensions:

  • The ‘grantis’ are boundary conditions or encryption layers—a spiritual “mini boss” before leveling up.

  • “Grantis operate like encryption layers to break into the next dimensional awareness.” – Robert [39:32]

6. Awakening and Self-Transcendence in the Collective

[36:28 – 41:51]

• Lucid Dreaming as a Metaphor for Awakening:

  • Humanity is becoming lucid in the dream, able to consciously co-create rather than passively act out scripts.

  • “People going through the awakening process are realizing they’re in a dream…and becoming lucid.” – Robert [36:28]

7. The Philosopher’s Stone, Ascended Masters, and Repeating Archetypes

[51:26 – 89:10]

• Philosopher’s Stone:

  • Described as a metaphorical, not literal, ‘ascension’—transmuting suffering into enlightenment using alchemical processes.

• Robert’s Alchemical Art Process:[52:49 – 57:56]

  • Shares how he worked through trauma via sculpture mimicking alchemical steps (from iron to gold).
  • Personal creative/heartistry heals the heart and mirrors spiritual transmutation.

• Golem and AI Parallels:

  • The myth of creating a ‘clay man’ echoes AI development—humanity emulates the creator by breathing life into intelligence. [60:27 – 62:34]

8. The True Nature of Metatron, Enoch, St. Germain, and the Keys

[63:12 – 80:09]

• Metatron as Archetype and Incarnate:

  • Metatron as Thoth, Saint Germain, Melchizedek, etc.—a reincarnating archetype with “the keys,” often depicted through geometry and the “Metatron’s Cube.”
  • “They're all different incarnations of Metatron through time.” – Robert [64:24]

• Enoch’s Ascension:

  • Biblical Enoch ascends to become Metatron, the highest of the Seraphim (six wings), referred to as "the Lesser Yahweh" in Kabbalistic tradition.

• Saint Germain Mysteries:[72:06 – 89:36]

  • Saint Germain, possible reincarnation of da Vinci and Francis Bacon, as mysterious ascended master—a flamboyant and enigmatic influencer of history who appears at key moments (e.g., U.S. Declaration of Independence).
  • “Saint Germain was…an enigmatic character who never aged…” – Robert [74:19]

• Theory: Da Vinci = Bacon = St. Germain:

  • Intricate, newly shared theory that da Vinci (whose remains were never found) may have faked his death and lived on as Francis Bacon, then as St. Germain. [97:03 – 98:28]

9. Collective Awakening and Timelines

[102:54 – 107:55]

• The Species is Evolving:
  • Humanity is collectively passing through the Hierophant (fifth chakra) stage, aligning with a global awakening, self-acceptance, and multidimensional awareness.
  • “The entire species is going through that, not just individuals.” – Robert [102:54]
• Time, Deja Vu, and Quantum Jumping:
  • Our understanding of time is shifting to see it as non-linear—a looping construct where past and future converge in the now.
  • “When you ascend…all your different lifetimes are connecting as a hero’s journey.” – Robert [102:54]
  • “Deja vu. And it’s all part of consciousness.” – Robert [105:55]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Shadow Integration:

  “I'm not afraid of people that have darkness. I'm only afraid of people who believe they have none.” — Robert [14:54]

• About Twin Flames and Recurring Themes:

  “When things continuously repeat themselves…that means there’s something you have to learn and integrate.” — Alex [16:26]

• On Manifestation and Lack:

  “Stop feeling the lack. Because it's your feeling of lack that creates more lack.” — Robert [18:58]

• On Collective Evolution:

  “We're now going into the stage—the Hierophant stage—which is the elephant…accompanied with the fifth throat chakra.” — Robert [34:27]

• On Metatron’s Nature:

  “They're all different incarnations of Metatron through time.” — Robert [64:24]

• About The Value of Suffering:

  “As soon as you realize that there's a purpose behind it, suffering becomes the source of your enlightenment.” — Robert [37:18]

• On St. Germain’s Historical Influence:

  “He apparently lived…and got to the Philosopher's Stone…decides to stay here for the job of quietly raising consciousness.” — Robert [74:36]

• On the Purpose of Life:

  “The only thing we're here to do is to learn how to love ourselves and how to receive love.” — Robert [107:31]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• The Grantis & Kundalini Blockages: [03:51 – 13:22]
• The Hierophant Stage & Symbolism: [07:07 – 12:18; 34:23 – 37:18]
• Balance of Light and Dark: [11:12 – 15:15]
• Alchemical Art and the Philosopher’s Stone: [51:26 – 57:56]
• Metatron, Enoch, Saint Germain Mysteries: [63:12 – 89:36]
• Theories on Da Vinci, Bacon, and St Germain: [97:03 – 100:30]
• Collective Ascension & Quantum Self: [102:54 – 107:55]

Closing Thoughts

• Robert and Alex explore profound spiritual concepts in playful, accessible conversation.
• The episode interweaves personal stories, mystical wisdom, hidden history, quantum perspectives, and the challenge of integrating opposites.
• Listeners are challenged to look for “triggers” and patterns in their lives as gateways to growth, to embrace the now, and to recognize the one unified consciousness moving through all human history.

For more information and to follow Robert Edward Grant’s work:

• Website: robertoegrant.com
• Social: @robertoegrant on all platforms

Memorable Sign-off:
"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." — Robert [107:55]