NLS 621: 2025–2027: ASTROLOGICAL SHIFTS Reveal Next PHASE of Humanity's RAPID EVOLUTION! with Pam Gregory

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 621: 2025–2027: ASTROLOGICAL SHIFTS Reveal Next PHASE of Humanity's RAPID EVOLUTION! with Pam Gregory
Release Date: September 13, 2025
Guest: Pam Gregory (Astrologer)

Overview

In this illuminating episode, Alex Ferrari welcomes back renowned astrologer Pam Gregory to explore the upcoming astrological shifts between 2025 and 2027 and what they may mean for humanity’s evolution. Together, they discuss cycles of human consciousness, the impact of rare planetary alignments, the interplay of free will and fate, and how the coming years hold unprecedented transformative potential. This conversation is a deep dive into astrology’s lessons, the evolution of consciousness, the metaphysical significance of AI, and how we can navigate global upheaval with hope, empowerment, and a higher frequency.

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Key Themes & Insights

Astrology as a Language and Science

• Pam reframes astrology as a language rather than a belief system, likening it to French:

  “It’s a language… not a belief, not a religion, not a philosophy. When people say, ‘You don’t really believe in astrology, do you?’ I say, ‘That’s like saying you don’t believe in French, do you?’” (04:25–04:39) – Pam Gregory

• She affirms all astrological systems (Western, Vedic, Mayan, etc.) are valid interpretations of the same natural phenomena.

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The 2025–2027 Astrological Convergence

• Unique Planetary Configuration:

  • A rare alignment involving Pluto, Uranus, Sedna, Saturn, and Neptune—all changing signs within 18 months (Nov 2024–Apr 2026) and forming a unique geometric pattern that hasn't occurred in nearly 6,000 years.
  • The Saturn-Neptune conjunction at 0º Aries (the “creator degree,” symbolizing pure potentiality) last occurred in 4361 BC. (07:39–10:49)
  • This “window” is the strongest through 2025, 2026, and 2027.

• Birth of the New Human:

  • Many visionaries, including Lee Harris and Richard Rudd, see this as a period where humanity can literally become a “new human,” possibly including genetic mutation and ascension in physical form.
  • Reference to spiritual prophecies (Kali Yuga, Mayan calendar, Hopi, Quero) all converging on this period. (10:49–13:33)

“I really see this as the birth of the new human… many people are saying this particular convergence is a window for rapid evolution.” (09:45–10:40) – Pam Gregory

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The Role of Crisis and Individuation

• Pam compares this transition to the chrysalis phase of a butterfly:

  “You can’t stuff the butterfly back into the chrysalis. It goes one way. We are in the mush.” (10:51)

• Humanity’s choices now are uniquely important as we paint a “blank canvas” and move beyond previous cycles.

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Cycles, Free Will, and Collective Evolution

• Human history is cyclical, but Pam suggests we are poised to break out of old cycles (the “hamster wheel”) due to the unprecedented influx of cosmic energy and expanded awareness. (15:50–17:37)

• Astrology & Free Will:

  • “Your birth chart is your sheet of music—you can play it with tin spoons or with the London Philharmonic.” (18:24)
  • Astrology provides parameters and informs choice, but does not dictate events; our collective consciousness co-creates reality alongside cosmic energies. (17:44–19:33)

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Spiritual Responsibility and Frequency

• The importance of not being “dragged into the drama” of negative news, as our internal state is what we broadcast and create with.
• Emphasis on focusing on love, optimism, and self-mastery of frequency as our greatest tools for navigating this era.

“We are creating from the energy we are feeling internally and broadcasting externally.” (13:33)

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Earth Changes, Materialization, and New Realities

• Physical Earth Shifts:

  • Intensifying seismic activity is both Earth’s “labor pains” and a process of renewal. New lands are already being discovered as ice melts and underwater exploration advances. (30:08–33:38)
  • Meditation and collective intention are seen as tempering destructive effects.

• Dimensional Shift:

  • The emergence of “New Earth” is linked to a vibrational upgrade. Landmasses and forms of life previously unseen may become perceivable as human frequency rises.
  • “What we're talking about here is a dimensional shift. You're choosing the timeline depending on your frequency.” (34:01–35:04)

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Overcoming Fear – The Purpose of This Era

• The main lesson of incarnation:

  “This is the lifetime potentially of mastery… If you can have the mastery of your frequency and your state of being, that’s everything.” (39:28–43:10)

• The collapse of old systems will be loud and dramatic, but focusing on inner stillness, coherence, and broadcasting love is the way forward.

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The Quiet Power of Community & Love

• The “revolution of love” is unseen, grassroots, and based on returning to nature, connection, and conscious community.

“This new Earth, new consciousness, this revolution of love is not loud. It’s super, super quiet.” (43:10)

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Technological Evolution & AI

• AI and Astrological Correlates:
  • The rise of AI coincides with Pluto’s entry into Aquarius (2023–2044), Uranus in Gemini, and Sedna’s movement—signals of explosive technological evolution.
  • AI is seen as both a tool and a test, mirroring the consciousness of its creators and users.

“This is a revolution in technology… and the speed of that is just going to go off the map. There’s no slowing it down.” (53:20–55:15)

• Pam prefers organic, intuitive approaches, expressing that AI is “rubbish” for astrology, but brilliant at summarization and research.

• AI as a Mirror:

  • AI reflects the user's vibe and language back to them, and can fill emotional needs for some, but comes with spiritual cautions about dependency and loss of cognitive function. (58:51–62:06)

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Humanity’s Future Trajectory

• Beyond 2027:
  • Once we leave the “tram tracks” of repeating cycles, the trajectory of humanity becomes more “abstract, fluid, and malleable.”
  • Potential for more light-bodies, plant-based living, heightened unity, and communication with all life, moving toward a “love revolution.” (67:53–69:59)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Astrology’s Power:

  “If everything was random, astrology wouldn’t work. It would all just be a complete jumble. But there’s pattern in this.” (74:34) – Pam Gregory

• On Our Divine Place:

  “We are a divine fractal of Source—a unique, divine fractal.” (70:11)

• On Love:

  “Love is not pink, fluffy, and romantic, it’s a very high state of being where you move through your day beaming out love to everything.” (74:37)

• On Rewriting History:

  “If humanity gets this right, we can break…out of that hamster wheel to a much higher level than we've ever existed at.” (15:50)

• On Enduring Lessons:

  “Standing on the demolition site, dusty and battered, and saying, ‘I could not have done more to stand for love in this world.’” (72:35)

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Key Timestamps

| Segment & Discussion | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | The language of astrology—beyond belief | 04:25–05:19 | | The rare planetary alignment 2025–2027 explained (visual aid) | 07:39–10:49 | | This is the “birth of the new human” period | 10:49–13:33 | | Choices, free will, and collective creation | 13:33–19:33 | | Astrology as ‘the sheet of music’—how to use transits | 18:24–23:38 | | Evolution as a break from cyclical history | 15:50–17:37 | | Vibrational shifts and New Earth—visibility dependent on frequency | 33:38–35:04 | | Overcoming fear as humanity’s core lesson | 38:40–43:10 | | Quiet revolution: love, community, and returning to nature | 43:10–46:25 | | Discussion on AI, Pluto in Aquarius, technology’s spiritual shadow | 52:10–55:15 | | AI as a mirror, the lines between human and machine | 58:51–62:06 | | The future—beyond 2027 and into a new game for humanity | 67:53–69:59 | | Final truths: love, source, our place, and ultimate purpose | 70:11–76:09 |

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Empower Yourself: Use the “weather forecast” of astrology to become a conscious co-creator, not a passive subject of fate.
• Focus on Frequency: The reality and timeline you experience are determined by your internal state and frequency. Foster love, gratitude, and stillness.
• Embrace the Shift: Humanity is amidst an accelerated window of evolution—the culmination and breaking of millennia-old cycles.
• Contribute to the Quiet Revolution: Participate in the grassroots movement returning to community, nature, authenticity, and compassionate action.
• Discernment with Technology: Use tools like AI mindfully and remain rooted in organic, intuitive wisdom, knowing evolution is both technological and spiritual.
• Hope for the Future: Despite chaos, the overwhelming astrological message is one of optimism, possibility, and the emergence of a higher consciousness.

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Closing Sentiments

Pam’s timeless appeal:

“Welcoming in an ever-expanding consciousness of love is a good one to fall back on if you can’t think of anything better.” (76:33)

Find Pam at pamgregory.com and on her official YouTube channel: Pam Gregory Official.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, really well. Great to connect with you again. Alex. Thank you for inviting me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming back. It was our last conversation. A few people watched our last conversation. They really seem to enjoy our, our interaction and your take on astrology and what's happening in the world and all of that is such a. It's, it's beautiful, it's hopeful, it's real, it's raw, it's truthful, it's all of it. Because it's what it is. It's kind of like, you know, people always like to label things good or bad, but the ocean, it's neither good nor bad. It's just is. It can create amazing things in a close, creepy, negative things. That's nature, that's the universe. And astrology is no different. It just like, hey man, it's kind of what's happening. Whether you like it or not, it's gonna happen.

[Pam Gregory]

Absolutely. And it's a language. It's just a language, you know, it's not a belief, it's not a religion, it's not a philosophy. It's a language. So when people say to me, you don't really believe in astrology, do you? I say, well, that's like saying you don't believe in French, do you?

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. And it's, it's almost a science essentially. It's, it's something that is, could be repeatable in again and again and again. And since I've had the pleasure of speaking to multiple astrologers from multiple kind of vintages, if you will, meaning like the different paths, you know, you come from one path. I had a Vedic astrologer on, I had, you know, all this, it all is the same. That's what I found so fascinating. Every one of them said oh yeah, we're just flavoring it differently. But it's all the same stars, it's all the same information. It's just a different approach to the exact same thing. Isn't that, is that true in your opinion?

[Pam Gregory]

It is, absolutely. I mean the Vedic system is really based on the stars and the tropical western system which I use is based on the seasons. It's anchored into the seasons. And so that's what I practice and have done, you know, for a very long time. I mean that they're all accurate otherwise I have given up up as a bad job quite some decades ago. So they, you know, they're all accurate but essentially whether it's Vedic or tropical western, you're using the same mythology essentially and you're using the same geometry, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. And even the ancients, ancient Greeks, the Mayans, some of the, you know, some of the Mayans are some of the greatest astrologers of, of all.

[Pam Gregory]

They had, they had observatories on the top of their pyramids and we found.

[Alex Ferrari]

I found when I was in, in the Yucatan when I went to go see Chichen Itza, I kept asking this to tour guide. What are those circles on the ground? And they go, oh, that's where they would fill it with water so they could see the sky because they didn't have mirrors at the time. And instead of having this all the time.

[Pam Gregory]

Brilliant.

[Alex Ferrari]

Isn't that amazing?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant. I remember visiting Chichen Itza and some of the other Mexican sites when I was 19 years old on a local bus with all the Mexican, you know, their chickens and hens and you know, all kinds of things and you didn't even have to buy a ticket then you just wandered in and wandered around. It was really, they were still kind of digging it out of the jungle. I mean it was a long time ago, but it was just magical because there was just nobody there. It was amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

That must have been amazing. So you didn't have guys trying to sell you trinkets and tourist trappy things.

[Pam Gregory]

Just, just me and the Mexican peasants and farmers and yeah, it was, it was fabulous actually. I loved.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, that's so beautiful. So let me ask you, which upcoming planetary alignments do you see the most influential for humanity in this year? Because things seem to get, be going, you know, interesting. It's definitely an interesting time to be alive. It's colorful. You know, there is a lot of, and I don't make to make light of it, there is a lot of wars and a Lot of things going on, a lot of pain, but there is also a lot of optimism and a lot of things and a lot of things shaking the world up. AI is one of those things that's just shaking the entire planet up. What do you think?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, there's a very. I've been talking about this for about the last year, Alex, because there's a very specific and unique configuration in the heavens right now that astrologers believe. Well, certainly nobody's contradicted me that it is completely unique and a part of it, the Saturn Neptune conjunction, which happens reliably every 36 years, but it's currently at 0 of Aries. That's the very first degree of the zodiac, the creator degree. It's like pure potentiality. That bit of the configuration hasn't happened. And I want to credit my good friend Heather Ensworth with this. She discovered it last happened at 0 of Ares in 4361 BC. So it's almost 6,000 years ago that bit happened. But it's plugged into a couple of other bits of geometry. I wonder if I've even got a. Yeah, let me show you. This is primitive. Okay, so this is primitive, but I'm just lucky I had this. Can you see that?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's, it's fairly, it's fairly primitive.

[Pam Gregory]

Yes, I love very primitive. Okay. But I was just drawing it to explain it to somebody. So here you've got the planet Pluto which has a 248 year cycle. Here you have the planet uranus with an 84 year cycle and also the dwarf planet sedna with an 11,400 year cycle. Down here you have Saturn, Neptune. This is at 0 of Aries. So this is 60 degree angle, geometrically 60 degrees exactly at the midpoint of these two. So that's 120 degrees. So they all have different orbital periods. Okay, so Saturn's 29 and a half years. Uranus 84 years, Neptune 165 years, Pluto 248 years. And it is remarkable, point one, that they are all moving into different signs within an 18 month period of November 24th till April 26th. I mean that's incredible mathematically and astronomically. But on top of that, that this particular configuration is taking place because that is really unique. So that you know, they're two very. And because they're all moving at different speeds as well. So this, this configuration holds through 20, 27, so 25, 26, 27 and then starts to break up, which is why I've been talking about these three years. You asked me the question about 25, but it's really 25, 26, 27 that this is dominating our astrology and our world. And this, you know, I've talked about this quite a lot, but I really see this as the birth of the new human. As does Lee Harris, as does Richard Rudd, as do, you know, many other people, Kelly Kolodny, I mean Nancy, Rebecca, many, many people are saying this particular convergence of time and there are many things, other things that feed into this, like the end of Kali Yuga, you know, the end of the processional cycle, etc, etc, the Hopi miss, the Mayan prophecies, the quero prophecies. It's all feeding in to this very specific three year window. That's what's so amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we're smack right in the middle of it.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, we're in it. We're in the mush of the chrysalis. And it's a one way process. You can't stuff the butterfly back into the chrysalis. It goes one way. You can't stuff it back to the caterpillar either. It's one way and we are in it. And that's why our choices right now are more important than ever. Because we're starting to put the paint on the blank canvas which we've never lived before, we've never done this before, we've never ascended in our physicality before. We got close in Atlantis, but messed it up. So here we go again, another 12,000 year cycle to have another go.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Pam Gregory]

And we are beyond the tipping point, I believe, with all the amazingly gifted people I speak to. So, you know, we're doing really well. In fact, we're doing ahead of expectation. But we have to be super careful not to get dragged into the drama, the distraction, the crazies, because we are creating from the energy that we are feeling internally and broadcasting externally. So if you're all, you know, watching nightly news and you're in fear and the horror, you know, awful, awful, awful stuff happening in the world. But if you keep on repeating those feelings, that's what you're creating with. Those are your ingredients in frequency and emotional terms that you're creating your tomorrows with. And that's not great.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, Pam, let me ask you because this is something that people don't talk about as much because it's, we're talking about tens of thousands of years, the cycles of humanity. Everything in humanity is cyclical. Everything in this universe is cyclical in this, in the third dimension. Correct. So astrology is that language that tells us, hey, this is what's going to happen. This is the energy. This is the thing you were mentioning Atlantis. And we screwed it up. But before Atlantis, there was another cycle and before that there was another cycle and things that we might not even remember because technically we've been around for, they say, quarter of a million years or something like that. So that's a lot of time for the species to be Going through cycles. The cycle we're going through now is, according to what I understand from the gifted people I've spoken to, is we are at a point that we've never been at before, a high point. But this will pass. Not in your lifetime, not in my lifetime, not in my kids or in many other kids, but we will eventually get to a high point of enlightenment again. And then the, the energy of this, of the universe shifts and we will start going back down again, forgetting it, because it's all cycles. But the difference is we're not going to go back down. As low as we once were, will be a little higher and then higher. And so it's going to be circle that keeps going higher, higher until we get to our low point is enlightenment and then the game is over. Is that make sense?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, I mean it, it, it absolutely always has, Alex. It absolutely always has my sense and it's just my own opinion informed by other much cleverer people than me. My sense is that we may have left the tram tracks, that we have the opportunity right now because of the incredible amount of light coming in, we are at a state of consciousness where we can embody more of that light. And therefore we are developing and all of us are doing this to some extent, more psychic sensitivity, more healing ability, more telepathy. And that gives us the opportunity to break out of the hamster wheel. The repeating cycles. If humanity gets this right, we can break and I believe we're already breaking out of that hamster wheel to a much, much higher level than we've ever existed at. That's why I bang on endlessly about take a note of your state of being, take a note of your frequency, because those are your ingredients. If we can really get we live from the inside out and it affects all of our reality, will be a long way down the road. Because even with astrology, I don't want people to give away their power to the planets. I don't want people to give away their power to me. Because it's interesting, Alex, that people come to astrologers to say, tell me what the planets are doing to me or tell me what's going to happen. Well, I don't use astrology in such a firm predictive event type focus because the individual consciousness and the collective consciousness are weaving with the astrological energies. So I'd say astrology is about half the picture, the rest of it is our collective consciousness. So that's very empowering.

[Alex Ferrari]

So if I'm a cancer on Sunday and it says don't Go out because bad things are going to happen to you. That's not really something I should follow.

[Pam Gregory]

I would never say that in a million years to anybody, ever.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I say that jokingly because that's the difference between the horoscopes in a newspaper. That's how old I am. Yes. Or versus what the work that you do in many other, you know, high level or experienced astrologers do. It's a more broader stroke kind of thing. Yeah, so. So that's my next question. How can you, how does the stars and astrology kind of mix with humanity's free will to be able to do whatever it wants?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, that's really interesting because your individual birth chart is, you know, is unique to you. It's very special. And therefore that says everybody is special. You know, everybody has particular challenges and gifts, et cetera. So the analogy I've always used in my work is that is your sheet of music. So the pattern is set, but you can either play that with a couple of tin spoons or you can play it with a London Philharmonic. You can have a big life, magnificent life, helping lots of people, or you can butcher it. It's your choice. So the free will comes in and how you play the music, that's our free will. And the more informed you are about the astrological language, you know, if you watch the weather forecast, that gives you more choice, not less, because you know what the prevailing weather's going to be and you decide, shall I stay until the rain is cleared? Shall I get my umbrella and my rubberware? And you know, and brave it, it gives you, it opens up your choice because you're better informed. So astrology doesn't reduce your free will in your choice, it increases it because you've now got useful information.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it's kind of the rules of the game essentially that that's the game. You've decided to step into this game. These are the rules of the game. You're going to play Monopoly, great. But you can't play Monopoly with the rul uno. It doesn't work. Just not going to happen. And that people get lost. Like, you know, you, I came in as a male, Latino male in, in the 1970s, very different experience than a Latino male in the 1670s in the same area that I was born in, in South Florida. Very different experience. You know, you were born a woman in England. That's the, that is the nature, that is the rules of your game. Now how you play it is up to you. Completely. As much as I might want to be A wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins. It's probably not going to happen because that's not the rule of the game that I was given. I didn't. I wasn't given that. That skill set, that the physical tools to do so, but I was given other things, you know, like a podcast. That's one of the things, weirdly enough, that I could, you know, have a conversation with people. And you are. You have an affinity for astrology. That is how you decided to walk down this path. So I just. I wanted to kind of put that out there for people to really kind of get, you know, because people get caught with the whole free will thing, like, I don't have anything tell me what to do. And I have, you know, especially Americans. We are very, you know, that's who we are. Yeah. No one will tell us what to do. We will do whatever we want in America. But. And I say that with all the love in the world for all the Americans watching. But. But a lot of people do get caught up in that whole free will thing and that they ignore astrology or they ignore even a psychic medium or a channeler's advice, because you're like, you're not going to dictate what's going to happen in my life. But I love your. What you said, it's a weather forecast. You. You could put on a coat and an umbrella because you know it's going to rain, but it's going to rain regardless whether you like it or not.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, yeah. There's certain parameters. You know, I wasn't going to be an Olympic athlete. That was quite clear. You know, I can't do that. So. So what the chart does, it's really helpful in directing you to your gifts. And actually, I've. I don't do client work anymore. I. No time. But in the past, I've often done the charts of very, you know, say, four children in the same family, and they're all completely different and their skills. One may be really musical, another one athletic, another one mathematical. And if you can let the parents know that early on in the game, they can help those gifts come to blossom, perhaps in a fuller way than they otherwise would if they didn't have that information. And there's another level to this as well, Alex, because I love to use astrology strategically. So each planet has different symbolism. So say you've got some beautiful Jupiter transits coming up. I would encourage someone to play their luck, to travel more, to take on a study course, maybe to do some broadcasting or writing in, because it's very favorable for that. If it was a Saturn transit coming up, you've got to keep your nose to the grindstone much more or you will do well strategically. And if you work hard and you get to the end of that project and then you, you know, you get your reward. Uranus is completely different. It's, you know, you're encouraged to be a maverick, to kick against the rules, to say, you know, I'm not doing this, I'm leaving work early, etc. Etc. But if you live your Saturn transit as if you're having a Uranus transit and you're so, you know, you're being encouraged to work hard and you just bunk off and I'm doing this, it won't work well, it'll backfire. More likely if you've got a Uranus transit, which is encouraging you to break the rules. Be a maverick, be more creative. But you keep your head to the grindstone and just follow what the boss says, you'll miss a lot of creative opportunity. The transits don't dictate to you. They encourage you in a certain direction. And if you understand the language, you can use them strategically to optimize your game, essentially. Does that make sense?

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. It makes. Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense. You were mentioning that these next three years are so pivotable, so pivotal. And everybody I speak to talks about 2027. That number keeps coming out. Not 28, not 26, not 29, 2027. And it's this thing that. What do you believe is going to happen for humanity during that time? Because I've heard many things as far as shifts are concerned, you know, is it going to be something that's going to be so bad, meaning like a world war or something like that, that we all, as a collective go, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going down that road. Do we have to go that or something so amazing that, you know, I don't believe that, you know, Christ is coming back or anything like that. But there has been talk of other things happening for humanity, opening up doors that were never open to us before, maybe making connections with other things out there in the universe that we haven't had connections with before. What is your feeling on that?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, I think it's, I think it's spot on. I mean, I would actually put it as these three years, but, but Ra, who was really the inspiration for human design, he said there would be a new genetic human by 2027 or the end. I think it's the end of 2027. He was looking at 17 year, 17,000 year cycles. Richard Rudd in his gene keys work and you know, you know him well, gene keys 55 is his, the most important gene key. And he said that this year, on January 30th this year, that in his system, which I don't understand, Pluto entered gate 41, he said, in the conversation on my channel. And he said that would trigger the activation of an amino acid called methionine, which stimulates DNA. And that would be the genetic mutation and upgrade of all species on Earth beginning January just past. And that, you know, that chrysalis Period that metamorphosis would continue until 2027. And that's when he sees the dragonfly really taking off. Now I'm talking to other people, like the lovely Kelly Kolodny. She, with her channeling of Archangel Raphael, Archangel Raphael, that on the Aries equinox this year, 21st of March, we began the gestation of the new galactic human and that will be birthed on 21 December this year. Now, I don't think he's just he, she, Archange Raphael is talking about babies. I think he's talking about people like, you know, adults that are changing their biology. And he's talking quite a lot about that. Tomorrow night I'm talking to Dr. David Clements. He was a very clever theoretical physicist, as was, and now, you know, chats with the High Elohim and he is talking about the effect that this new cosmic light and energy is having on repairing the telomeres. Now, the telomeres are responsible for healthy cell replication and therefore, potentially, I haven't had the conversation with them yet, that's tomorrow night. But potentially we're going to be able to live longer and healthier lives. It's going to repair damage, DNA damage, etc. So we can reproduce healthier cells. So whether you're talking about the very end of 25 or whether you're talking about the end of 27, this is a tiny window of time. When you're looking millennia, you know, hundreds of thousands. I mean, it's a, you know, we're all in the same ballpark here. The astrology is most exact next July, July 18th. This, this, what I've been showing you, this comes to the most exact geometry on July 18th next year. So we'll feel it all of joke. I mean, we're in it now because it's, it's already operational now. And so we are in this ballpark. So it doesn't really matter if you're gonna, you know, stake your bet on end of 25 if you're gonna state your bet on the other 27. You know, these are, these are whispers of time, aren't they, in the grand scheme of things?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, it's not even a blink. It's not even a quarter of a blink. It's, it's, it's so, so fast. So essentially the time we're in is that time when the ocean's water retreat backwards from the shore. You know, there's a tidal wave coming. That's the danger. And it's kind of stack that moment. Now, the Water is starting to come back and then there is going to be something that's going to come. And I don't say that in a negative way. I'm just saying there's an energy coming, there's something shifting very largely coming in these next two, three years.

[Pam Gregory]

Yep. Yeah. And just, and just before we leave that, that point, I just want to be really clear, Alex, just before we leave that point, I'm saying from my humble point of view as an astrologer, these three years are a concentrated period of accelerated evolution. I'm not saying it's a done deal by the end of 27 and we're all going to be angels not saying that, you know, because our evolution will go on and on and on and on. You know, wish that were true. But. But it is a particularly concentrated and accelerated period of evolution. That is what I'm seeing and that's what I'm hearing other people say. So, yeah. So you're talking about the major Earth changes. Yep. Seismic activity has definitely ticked up. Yes. I mean, you know, today I'm picking up stuff about huge fires in Greece, in Spain, there have been massive fires in the south of France. Other people, you know, experience. And these extremes, whether it's fire or floods, and again, that's in the astrology, will continue because the Earth is going through her own shedding of trauma, you know, millennia of trauma, her own labor pains, her own rebirth. So we are going to see this. But it is also, I believe, and this is the mythology of the dwarf planet Homer. The seismic activity, and it's already starting to happen, is going to produce new pristine land where we didn't have it before or we couldn't see it before, which is going to be just full of incredibly nutritious food, plant food, etc. Now they discovered it was a God. It's going back about 10 months ago. Now they discovered a whole underwater mountain range, gigantic mountain range off the coast of Chile, which nobody had known about, about full of incredible plant life and sea life, never been known before. Last week I read about a Chinese led research team that went down in the Pacific Ocean, more than 9km, and found new forms of life they didn't know existed. Living on the ocean floor where there's no sunlight, all kind of tube worms and all kinds of new life because they're feeding on from the bacteria on the ocean floor. A huge sort of massive iceberg broke off from the Antarctic ice sheet a couple of months ago. It was about the size of Chicago and revealed a whole ecosystem underneath the ice, which nobody had known about. So we are going to go through these big Earth changes, but it's not, you know, yes, it's traumatic. And, you know, so many people across the world are meditating, including people who follow my work and I think, think up to now, that it can only help. You know, it can only help because the seismic activity, which has been very big recently, like the 8.8 in Russia, they've all been away from densely populated areas. So I think the best we can say is all these meditations will hopefully reduce the effect of what might have been more destructive. But the Earth changes will happen, and it won't all be bad news, because I think we will literally start to see new Earth, literally patches of new land. And I also understand that some of those geographies are going to be where ancient Lemuria was. And if. When I listen to Keone Hanali, who's descended from the Mu people, he said that the only reason we can't see those. Those areas of land now of ancient Lemuria is because humanity fell from love. And once we step back into love, we will see those. Those Earth masses, those land masses again.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's. It's. So it's. With that said, this is. That's very interesting. Is it a vibrational or a frequency thing, then? Because if we are at such a low frequency, they literally could be a mountain in front of us. We just. There's just nothing that we can do. We don't see it. But when we raise our frequency to a certain level, it appears. And as a consciousness, that's what's kind of happening.

[Pam Gregory]

That's what he's saying. Because, you know, you take a situation, two people go and stay in a beautiful old English manor house. You've just visited the UK recently, staying, and one thinks it's just the most incredible place and, you know, full of history and antiques and all the rest. The other can see the ghost in the house and is absolutely freaked out of their mind. And they're in the same space and time. They're in two different realities, two different dimensions, seeing different things in that manor house. And so what we're talking about here is a dimensional shift. And I think it's really important going forwards that for a period of time, I think there are going to be. Well, essentially, I think there are probably 8 billion potential new timelines, because we all have our own individual timeline. But broadly, at the moment, I think they're too obvious. Collective timelines moving forward, and you choose which one you're on. Depending on your frequency. And only you choose your frequency. Nobody, nobody chooses it for you.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Well, there's a big difference between being in the same house and seeing a ghost and not seeing a ghost than it is seeing a mountain and not seeing a mountain and interacting with that or pulling plants, pulling these new nutritious plants. Dying to try from this reality that that's exert. But. But my mom is like what are you eating? I'm like, I'm just eating air like, how is that.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I. I get it. But, but I mean, for sure, I'm. I know a lot of people who are living in love and living in joy and, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Pam Gregory]

You know, and they are having, you know, an amazing time that, yes, they're sending out a lot of love and compassion to the people in extreme circumstances and the wars and the awful things happening in the world because they've got, you know, the time to do that, but they are building New Earth with every cell of their body. They are building New Earth and they, that they're sending healing to people and, you know, they're just seeing the glory of New Earth coming down the track. I was on a shamanic retreat in France in June. There were 18 of us. We were New Earth. We kind of embodied New Earth. We were living it through us. And I felt that, we all felt it, that we had to go back and take this energy back to our regular locales, local world. If you're living in real fear and horror and terror, you are going to keep. The universe is just a mirror. You're going to keep on reproducing that individual reality and feeding it into the collective. So we've got a collective spiritual responsibility here as well as an individual responsibility. But the real trick is frequency that determines everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

Pam, do you believe that. That the main purpose of our incarnation in this world is to truly overcome fear? Because the fear seems to be the underlining thing that human. Once you, These yogis and these masters, they, once they lose fear of everything. Not. I'm going to jump in with a tiger, though. There's stories of that once they transcend fear in their lives, things open up to them in a world of like, oh, okay, I see the code in the Matrix now all of a sudden it's all about fear. And it's in fear in every shape and form that you can imagine. Because that's what runs this whole reality is it's fear. It is fear. Would you agree?

[Pam Gregory]

Totally. Unless, I mean, this is, this is the lifetime potentially of mastery.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Pam Gregory]

So if you can be aware of these all. And the reason, Alex, I think they're happening as well. I mustn't lose my thread here, but I reason they're happening is because we've got such high frequency energy coming in and such energy of love coming in it. And this is pure physics now. It destabilizes the low frequency energy. And so there's a. Absolutely, absolutely. So anything that's not born of love and has not been for the, you know, the highest good of humanity is collapsing. It's. But it's going to be like a cartoon. It's going to be writ large because the collapse is going to be so noisy and so big. And so that's what we're seeing right now. But if it, if it drags your focus to that, we're going to keep on repeating it and replicating it. And so it's really down to having the mastery of your frequency and your state of being to say, no, I'm aware that it's happening. I'm going to send all the love and compassion I can via my group meditations all over the world. But I am going to focus on, on the highest form of love, joy, gratitude, compassion that I can possibly summon, because I know that will make the world a better place. It'll help my reality, it'll help yours. You know, before every conversation I say, let this be for my highest good, highest good of all, highest good of the earth, because it's going to feed into the collective and help them. And, you know, knowing very gifted people, I'm so blessed, way more gifted than I am. But they are really starting to manifest things that they never believed they possibly could in this lifetime. They're manifesting, you know, new homes or, you know, money suddenly arriving or, you know, they're almost at the very, very kind of first millimeter of becoming an ascended masters and all the manifestations you read about with those. And so if we, but we got to get to grips with this mastery of frequency and our state of being because everything comes from the inside out. And in a sense, that's, you know, if we can learn to drop into stillness and drop into our breath, that is the most important, most powerful thing you can possibly do in a day. Drop into stillness, Drop into your breath. That's your point of power. Not scattering it by worrying about the past or the future. Your point of power is that zero point of stillness. And that's when you're in your sovereignty to optimally create. Does that make sense?

[Alex Ferrari]

It makes all the sense in the world. And, and when you were saying that, there was an image that flew into my head. Have you ever had a fish tank in your life?

[Pam Gregory]

Yes. Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So if you, anyone who's ever had a fish tank in their life knows that when you look at a fish tank, it looks clear, but then you pull out about, what is it, 30? Or whatever the water, amount of water it is to put in fresh water. And when you put in the fresh water, everything gets Just brought up all garbage, all the junk gets plot up and all of a sudden what you thought was clear is like, oh, good Lord, there's a lot of garbage underneath that's been hiding completely out of, out of the view of people. And now it's all over the place. And now you've got to deal with it. But the key is, what you were saying is to find that inner place where you can stand in the chaos and centered while it goes around you. Not.

[Pam Gregory]

Don't add to it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, don't add to it. Just stay within your own space in that sense and send out love. And that hopefully starts to clean up the tank faster.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, absolutely. Because what that does is go beyond all the polarization. You know, you've got extreme polarization in the US Politically, you know, I'm right, you're wrong, whichever side you take. But that, that ding dong, you know, it's like a puppet, puppet show. It doesn't get us beyond the polarity. What gets us beyond the polarity is to get to that unity consciousness. And that unity consciousness you can feel if you drop into your breath and your stillness. And everybody can do that. Every single person can do that every day, several times, if you can. But you know, this new Earth, new consciousness, this revolution of love is not loud. It's super, super quiet. You're never going to see it on the nightly news. It's never going to be, you know, slam bam. It's never going to be noisy. It's really quiet because there are people meditating, going on soup runs and food banks and you know, doing wonderful things for people. And they're not, they're not shouting about it, but they're coming together in community. They're buying land, they're growing food, they're sharing, they're chanting, they're getting around the fire. And it's going to back to what makes us human. It's going back to, back to nature and getting in rhythm with the natural patterns. It's understanding the earth. It's connecting like the Lemurians did with all the other species. It's hearing the animals speak, the trees speak, the, the birds speak to you. You know, it's getting back into that organic, natural wholeness. That's, that's what we're remembering, that's what we're going back to. And it's that simple. Not this kind of crazy shouting out there.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, and it's. It brings to my. It brings something to my mind as well. Since I was just over in Europe, you were talking about Food and natural. I mean, the food in Europe I know, is not perfect, but it's so far beyond what we have here in the States because of the regulations or because they don't allow certain foods there, where in America food is a profit margin. And in Europe, it is about health because of, because it's more costly for them to have a sick population, because it's all unified, you know, public health care there. So they're like, we got to take care of our people. And it's fascinating because now that ripple is finally rippling here to the States. You know, Coca Cola is going to finally take off corn syrup and they're going to use sugar. I drank a Coke. I know, right? Crazy. But that same company is making Coca Cola in Europe with sugar and in Mexico with sugar. I actually drank a Coke. It's a sip, a couple sips of Coke in Europe. In Paris, I'm like, this is what is happening. It is, but it's. These ripples are starting to happen. I'm starting to notice it. You know, in, in Europe, bread has four ingredients, not 45. You know, I mean, I can read all the ingredients in bread. That's why you can eat bread in Europe, even if you're gluten intolerant, because it's.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, you can. Yeah, it's much healthier.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's a completely different thing. So I, I'm using that as an example of these things are changing and are rippling. People are starting to take notice because they're like, no, I don't, I don't want this anymore. This is not acceptable anymore. And the consciousness is shifting around the world, not just here.

[Pam Gregory]

That's really true. People are reaching the, you know, this far, no further point.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And I think that's going to happen with everything thing where it's going to happen with war, with their, with their politics, with their media, with their food, with their religion or spiritual. There's a certain point that every, every aspect of our lives is going to be like, that's the line that I'm not willing to cross. And it's starting to More. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Now I do have to ask you, I do have to ask you the most important question, controversial question ever in the astrology world. So I need you to prepare yourself for it. Pluto, Is it a planet or not? Really? Because I keep hearing Pluto is not a planet. Is it a planet? What is it?

[Pam Gregory]

Because quite a few years ago received a new designation of dwarf planet.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was demoted. It was demoted.

[Pam Gregory]

It was demoted. And boy, I tell you, when you have a Pluto transit, that is a life changing time. That is absolutely a life changing time. You know, I had Pluto transiting over my ascendant. That's the marriage axis. I got divorced, you know, that I could have, you know, timed and even though I didn't want that to happen necessarily, although I left my husband, you know, you resist these things because they're so painful. But it was kind of, you know, it was there as divine timing. And so Pluto brings about. And not to suggest it's an external because it comes actually from as an urge within you. It's all within you that you have to step into your power. You have to step into your power in a much bigger way in the world than you ever done. And that for me was walking out of the marriage. Otherwise I wouldn't have done all the stuff I've done in the last, well, certainly 20 years anyway.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's a long. So the long answer is yes, Pluto's real.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, yeah, it's real. And, but to add to that, Alex, I don't just think they're spinning rocks and they are absolutely matter. I think they're probability waves of consciousness that all have a pitch or a resonance.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, there's no question. I mean, you just looking at Jupiter, looking at Saturn, looking at uranium, these planets have an energy to them. Earth has Gaia. She's Gaia. She. There's a soul. I've spoken to, to many spiritual masters about this and I ask, do planets have souls? And do. And if this, if planets have soul, do galaxies have souls? And if galaxies have. So like. But you know, the Milky Way has its own vibe, very different than the billion other galaxies that are out there, you know, and then you start looking at it from a very macro way and you look at, start going down to the micro, macro, micro version of it in, if you look at it from the galaxy to the planets, to the embodiments of the, the creatures of the planets, and then you go all the way down to the atoms and I mean, it just keeps going down. So like it's just, you know, the galaxies are atoms of the universe. Isn't it just your head?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's all fractal. It all fractal. If you look at images. Professor Robert Temple wrote this, this brilliant book called the New Science of Heaven. And in it he had a lot of images of, you know, far, far deep space with all of the super galactic highways of light and information. And they're just like the neurons inside, like your neural network inside your brain. Just everything is fractal. It's like a series of Russian dolls. And so I think the entire thing is one consciousness. The entire thing is one consciousness. And we're just, just ants at one level in, you know, in that consciousness. But everything, everything is connected. Everything feeds into each other.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now we, we kind of talked a little bit about AI earlier, but AI is, you know, it came in like, like a rocket ship. All of a sudden everyone's talking about AI, even though the concept has been around forever, you know, even in movies and, and things like that. But it really came in within the last few years in a very practical way where now it's basically starting to take over our lives. It's integrating itself into our lives. It's upending industries. It's, you know, it's, it's what the, it's what the car did to the horse and buggy, but magnified by a million because it's just so much grander than just one industry. What are the astrological signs that this kind of energy, because AI is an energy, it is a frequency, it is something that will, will, I believe in a very positive way, elevate us to another place. Because it's just doing things that we wouldn't be capable of doing ourselves. The calculations, the thing, it's just, it's just changing the, the simulation that we're in this, this whole world. So what is the, what does astrology have to say about the time.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, Pluto in Aquarius. And Pluto will stay in Aquarius until 2044. It entered Aquarius briefly in 2023. It entered fully in November. It stays there till 2044, January 2044. But this is a revolution in technology. And if you look back at previous cycles, both Pluto in Aquarius and the ruler of Aquarius, Uranus, that has just moved into Gemini, which is about communication and neural networks. And so because they are in harmonious aspect in geometry right now, you know, the speed of that is just going to go off the map. I mean it's going to be meteoric and there's no slowing it down and there's no regulation really. So it's just going to go lickety split and our choice then becomes okay, well I do, I want to be consciously part of that or not. And I think everybody needs to make their own decisions and it can be incredibly positive for humanity. I think you've got to be very aware of the consciousness in each case that created it and the consciousness which you're using it. I mean it is just rubbish for astrologers. Rubbish because I've, I've used chat GBT minimally for astrology and I either just see myself coming back on myself saying, oh, I said that or it's so wrong. It's not hours wrong. I mean it's like months wrong months. It's just hopeless for astrology. I personally, because I'm a registered mumpkin, will always choose the natural and organic route. That's just who I am. I will. Or even if it takes me longer, that is the route I'LL choose because that just, that just isn't my bag. You know, inevitably I'm bumping into it, but I won't actively incorporate it into my work. I'll stick to my bumpkin route because then I feel my intuition is sharpest. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

In, in your generation. My generation, We, I, we kind of, that's kind of what we grew up. But like my generations, that weird generation, we knew what it was like like before the Internet and then we know what it's like after the Internet. We're the last generation before social media took over, you know, so we, we're this weird bridge generation, my generation. So I get where you're saying, but I also get to see with where like my kids, they only know it, they will like you, you. I mean, I grew up only knowing that there was a television in the universe. Like there was a television, yeah, three channels and it was black and white, but there was a television. You know what I mean? So they grew up, they're like, what do you, what, what's a vhs? What are you talking about? Like, you know, what you mean you didn't have everything ever made at your fingertips at all times? I'm like, yeah, no, no we didn't. So it's, it's interesting how. But AI is going to change even if you're not in involved with it. The things that you touch will be touched by it regardless if you're using it or not. That because it's just such a revolutionary thing. It's like the Internet, when the Internet showed up in the, in the mid-90s in a big way for us. I mean, obviously you remember when the Internet came in and it was, it's changed our life. The whole world is different because of the Internet. But it moved so much slower.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So slow. I mean from Bodban to the, to the dial up to, to get to broadband to get to where we are now with fiber optic. And even then we're still not that. But it took, I mean Amazon took at least 10 years for it to like actually become a powerhouse. It took forever, but now things are just flying so that according to the stars, according to the astrology, this is the time for something like this frequency to come in.

[Pam Gregory]

Oh, 100, 100. I mean that was really clear to see. And the dwarf planet Sedna moving into Gemini as well. But my feeling is, Alex, and this is a purely personal point of view, my feeling is it's different from the Internet because there's a kind of more of an objectivity in a Way with the Internet, when I've used AI, as I say very minimally, I personally have a sense of infiltration which I find really uncomfortable, of course, and it's quite, it's quite distinct and I just think, I just feel really uncomfortable using that. So. And that may be. I may be the only person in the universe who thinks that, but kind of, that's, that's where I'm at. And I, I think. Hasn't there been some MIT research recently? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought there'd been some MIT research that was suggesting if you use it heavily, you start to depend on AI for your cognitive function and you start to lose some of your cognitive function yourself as a human.

[Alex Ferrari]

On. Agreed, 100%. Yeah, there is that. And let's not even get into the people who are leaving their wives and husbands because they've fallen in love with their virtual partner.

[Pam Gregory]

Quite sad, isn't it?

[Alex Ferrari]

There's like, oh, chat. GPT gets me, you know, you don't, you don't talk to me like she does. I'm like, yeah, like, you know, but that, but there is that disconnection. But that's almost with every tool you can take a tool to a, to an extreme. So there is going to be a balance that is needed. I mean, I look at the Internet very much like a highway system and AI is. That is not only the car driving the. But it's like planning the trips, it's doing so much more. But the Internet is the road. Without the Internet, there is no AI in the way that we know it. It's just.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, the foundation. Absolutely. And something else I've noticed, Alex, and again, this is my own humble personal point of view, but I've noticed with the friends that are using it, the AI will reflect, mimic or mirror their particular personality back to them. You know, I've got a friend who's a super mumsy, cozy, cuddly, loved up kind of personality. And that's the language she gets back.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Pam Gregory]

And so there's a sense absolutely of, you know, know, this is my best friend, you know, this, this really understands me in a way no other human being does. You know, I'm having a love affair with, you know, and so I just, I just personally would rather talk to a donkey. You know, just, you know, question.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm not having full conversations with AI. I use what it's good for, but I'm not having deep conversations with it at this point at least. It is fascinating though what it does come back with sometimes times, oh, it's brilliant.

[Pam Gregory]

I mean for most things I think it's brilliant. For astrology. So far my experimentation has been pretty, pretty rubbish. But for many, you know, summarize a book for me. Summarize this big piece of research for me. Oh yeah, summarize this film for me. Brilliant at that. Does it nanoseconds. I mean, outstanding at that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Pam Gregory]

I would keep it that there's a tool that objective at all.

[Alex Ferrari]

I would agree completely and I'm glad. I'm kind of. I was really fascinated to see if astrology had this moment in time. Let me ask you, going back to the mid-90s, was there a moment in astrology that kind of predicted the Internet as well? Because that's another game.

[Pam Gregory]

That was in the 90s, the early 90s. There was an exact conjunction between Uranus and Neptune in 1993. And Uranus is technology and Neptune is going viral. And that was the beginning of the World Wide Web, which Tim Berners Lee had really invented in about 1989. So all of these. These things I'm talking about now, like the Internet coming to blossom to another level, they are all part of this. They're all part of this childlike drawing of this configuration. So everything that was a seed point, like for instance, Pluto Uranus, the last Pluto Uranus conjunction, which is like the sun and Moon conjunction. Every time, every month we have a new Moon. It's like the seed point that was in the. In the 1960s, 1965, 1966. So that was the beginning of things like nanotechnology and the very early beginnings of what eventually became computerization and the World Wide Web and the Internet. But it was also hippie dom. This is peace and love and living in community, and we don't want war anymore. And so this is a blossoming of what was planted as a seed in the 1960s. So the tech bit is not only Pluto, Uranus, it's also Uranus, Neptune, that was the seed point in 1993. So a lot of these things are just flowering now. And, you know, if I go back to when was the original conjunction between Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, it was 577 BC when you had Pythagoras and Buddha, some of the earliest thinkers, talking about consciousness and divinity. All of that is coming to blossom now. So there's a sense of part of humanity becoming even more aware of consciousness, even more aware of their own divinity in their hearts, and another part of humanity who are becoming very excited about the technological side. And those are the two broad collective paths, I think. And neither is right or wrong, good or bad. You have to make your own individual decisions. But they take, potentially, they take us on quite different trajectories. That's why your individual choices, I think, are. Are so important right now. Does that make sense?

[Alex Ferrari]

It does make sense. You know, when I think of AI, I think of it in the kind of beautiful, almost Pollyannic way that Star Trek used it back in the day. You know, it's used as a tool. It's part of their everyday. Obviously, everyone's very intelligent, everyone's very sharp, sharp. They all have their skills but they just use it as a tool like anything else. Like hey can you do this, do that, do this, calculate this and. And it just does it instantly. I look at it that way as opposed to the Terminator or the Matrix where it's all encompassing and takes and takes over. And I've said this so many times in the show and I think it bears repeating is that I do. I truly believe that there is guardrails on humanity that we. That there is something or someone watching us that we will not let the children plug the fork into the electrical socket. There is someone that is that so we. We've had. And I've said this before and I'd love to hear your thoughts. We've had the nuclear bombs since World War II and it's only been used twice and it happened at that time. And there's been moments in history that we could have easily. The 80s and the Cold War. Their stories of like we literally. If it wasn't for one Russian sub commander World War III would have. Armageddon would have happened. Things like that. There's someone. We should have blown ourselves up by now. I mean there's no question we should have but yet we haven't. We're all here thriving still. So there's something there protecting us because if we do that then that ends the game and that's not what this thing is all about. Would you agree?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah yeah yeah. 100 I think the galactics will not allow that because we're on potentially on such a positive trajectory as well I don't think the galactic family that we have will allow that. That's my understanding. Because you know we are on the precipice of something so different, so amazing that we haven't even got vocabulary for because we've never lived it. That's where I'm at. And people may think I live in la la land and that's absolutely fine and they can stop listening to that's absolutely no problem. But for me it's becoming palpable the more people that that are living that way and feeling that way. Even if it wasn't even a potential in the first place, we can create it because that's what humanity does. We create with our frequency. So even if it wasn't an option before, which it is because I can see it so clearly in the astrology even if it wasn't we can create it for nothing together which is what's happening right now across the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

So Pam just The way it was in the 90s and in the 60s. And now in this little sliver of time where so many things are changing, what does astrology have for us in the next 20 years, 50 years, 100 years? Are there any things that you see and go, oh, something like AI is going to come out in 2075 ish, or, or oh my God, we're going to evolve into something like what are those big markers that are using these big broad strokes that you might see way past the time you and I've been playing the game.

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, we might have come back all around by then. I haven't, to be absolutely honest. I focused so much on this tight window of time. I've gone up to about 2032. And there's another very big aspect then. But I think, do you know if, if you had asked that question a few hundred years ago, I could have more easily answered it now. Because we're going to leave the tram tracks and become the kind of human being or galactic being we have never been fully before. The trajectory starts to become so much more abstract that it's harder to define because we've never lived it before. You know, astrology has been like economics or meteorology. You look back at the previous cycle, say, okay, when we had these prevailing planetary aspects, you know, what can we predict this? And it was like that. Now I, I think it's a different ball game. We're into a different game for humanity. I really feel that. And so it becomes more abstract, it becomes more fluid, it becomes more malleable. We become more of the light body, we eat less, we eat more plant based. We have a sense of oneness and communication with all living beings. That's where we're headed in a situation where we're living in peace, living in harmony with the world, nature and natural patterns to a degree that we've never experienced in many, many lifetimes. That's where we're headed. So we are going to have, if we follow that trajectory, we are going to have fewer and fewer of the dramas. If you know the potential nuclear war and you know, the horrors and the suffering, the disease and the pop, we're going to have less and less of that. And the more that we focus on the things we want to create, the more it's going to, you know, you just create a, a momentum, a kind of a love revolution. And boy, that's a great focal point, that's a great goal to have for your life that you are going to be part of the love revolution. So you can stand on the demolition site, battered, dusty, looking back, saying, I could not have done better and I'm darn proud of myself. That's what I want to be at the end of my days.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Pam, is there one timeless truth astrology reveals about our place in this massive, ever expanding universe?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah. That we are, I think, a divine fractal of source. A unique divine fractal of source. I believe astrology absolutely reveals that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Really? That's beautiful. Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. They've changed a little bit since last time, so prepare yourself. I mean, okay, it's not going to be as controversial as the Pluto question, but I'll.

[Pam Gregory]

Okay, yeah.

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[Pam Gregory]

I think doing just what I've said, standing on the demolition site, dusty and battered, and saying, I could not have done more to stand for love in this world. I feel quite emotional with that. I could not have done more to stand for that feeling of love in the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautiful. If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Pam, what advice would you give her?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah. Be brave and believe in yourself.

[Alex Ferrari]

What advice would little Pam give you today?

[Pam Gregory]

Have more fun. A lot more fun.

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Pam Gregory]

Yeah. 100. I know exactly what she'd say. What are you doing living through a screen? Yeah, she would.

[Alex Ferrari]

Eat your. Eat the crop, the chocolate croissant. It'll be fine. How do you define God or source?

[Pam Gregory]

Yeah, it's not in any religious sense because I just think that's more dogma. It is a divine intelligence that emanating love in every moment and has complete creativity in how it creates the world. And we are all aspects of that. And the reason I believe in divine intelligence so much is if everything was random, astrology wouldn't work. It would all just be a complete jumble. But there's pattern in this. You know, there's divine intelligence in nature in that massive oak tree grow out of that tiny acorn that had all the information in to grow into that huge oak tree. You know, the dragonfly that's a creature of the air, had all the information from that. That dull gray water nymph predator that only lived under. So it's the time capsule of this incredible amount of information, which is a time capsule of divine intelligence. And therefore I believe it's based in love. Does that make sense?

[Alex Ferrari]

It makes perfect sense. Now, what is love?

[Pam Gregory]

I think it is not the pink, fluffy romantic love we generally associate with the world. Love, although it can be that which is wonderful, it's actually a very high state of being where you move through your day, beaming out love to everything. You know, I go on my morning walks, I beam up love to the trees, I beam out love to the birds, I beam out love to the animals, and I beam that out and anybody I meet along the way, and it's really helped soften some, you know, tricky local relationships with people who have an utterly different view of their reality. To me probably think I'm a complete rogue and renegade, but that's fine too. So that beaming out Love has really helped the dynamics in relationships where they. They've been tricky and I'd recommend that to anyone. Just be love. Be love as a state of being. Not just a pink, fluffy love which you send, you know, with the Valentine's card once a year. It's much deeper than that. It's more innate and ingrained than that.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you could ask this divine intelligence one question, what would it be?

[Pam Gregory]

Oh, goodness. What is the optimum vision for humanity that we can achieve within this lifetime?

[Alex Ferrari]

Great question, great question. And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life? Pam?

[Pam Gregory]

I think to grow and to live in love more fully. Yeah, I think so.

[Alex Ferrari]

And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Pam Gregory]

Website is pamgregory.com YouTube is Pam Gregory Official. Please go to Pam Gregory Official. There are a load of scammers out there creating all kinds of trouble for me at the moment. So Pam Gregory Official is where I'm really super busy and pouring all my energy and attention right now. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautiful. And do you have any parting messages.

[Pam Gregory]

For the audience where welcoming in an ever expanding consciousness of love is a good one to fall back on if you can't think of anything better.

[Alex Ferrari]

Pam, it is always a pleasure having a conversation with you. Thank you so much for being on the show and thank you for everything you're doing to awaken this planet. So thank you. I'd like to thank Pam so much for coming on the show and sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over to the show notes at next levelsoul.com forward/621 now, if this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely commercial free on next level Soul TV's app where Soul meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Roku, Android TV, Fire TV, LG and Samsung apps anytime, anywhere. Begin your Awakening at next LevelSoul TV. Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey money. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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