NLS 625: FALSE DOCTRINES You’ve Believed Your Whole Life! BIBLE Was REWRITTEN to CONTROL Us ALL! with John Davis

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Podcast Summary: Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 625: FALSE DOCTRINES You’ve Believed Your Whole Life! BIBLE Was REWRITTEN to CONTROL Us ALL! with John Davis
Release Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Alex Ferrari
Guest: John Davis

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Episode Overview

In this deeply engaging and provocative episode, Alex Ferrari sits down in-studio with spiritual teacher and past life regressionist John Davis for an expansive discussion about the real teachings of Jesus (Yeshua), the creation and manipulation of the Bible, and the roots of religious dogma. Davis, who shares a past life connection as "John the Beloved," explores how Rome and later the Catholic Church systematized and rewrote the message of Jesus, turning empowering spiritual wisdom into tools of control and fear. The conversation spans early Christian history, Paul's (Saul's) role in shaping doctrine, the formation of the Bible, the function of religious ritual, issues around the New Age movement, and the true meaning of spiritual fulfillment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. John Davis' Background & Spiritual Awakening

• John's Early Life: Raised Catholic, began receiving messages from psychics claiming he was John the Beloved in a past life. Initially resisted due to Catholic upbringing ([04:16]).
• Past Life Regression: Eventually pursued regression, recalling memories of walking alongside “Joshua ben Joseph" (Jesus/Yeshua) ([04:22]).
• Perspective on Reincarnation: Doubts the literal personal identity of reincarnation, seeing it more as "tapping into the oneness of God" ([06:30], [07:43]).

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2. Questioning Tradition & Religious Dogma

• Blind Faith in Doctrine: Many accept religious doctrine and the Bible without question, punished for inquiry or doubt ([10:11]).
  • Quote: "They're told to believe it, and so they believe it. And not to question. In fact, when they question, they are literally cast out." – John Davis ([10:34])
• Missing Years of Jesus: Traditional Christianity glosses over Jesus' life between ages 12 and 30. Other traditions (e.g., Hinduism) suggest he traveled to India as "Sri Isa" ([11:00], [11:04]).
• Resurrection as Conscious Manifestation: Davis argues the resurrection was a demonstration of yogic mastery — projecting consciousness and remanifesting a body, rather than a unique miracle ([14:41]).

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3. The Core Teachings of Jesus/Yeshua

• Simplicity & Inner Divinity: Yeshua’s teachings were simple and pointed to innate human divinity.
  • Quote: "The kingdom of heaven is within you. It is your faith that heals you. Greater works than I have done, you will do." – John Davis ([15:42])
• On Original Sin: Original sin is not biblical; it was a later addition by Augustine in the 3rd century ([17:20]).

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4. Paul's Role and the Construction of Christian Doctrine

• Paul vs. Jesus' Message: Paul did not meet Jesus and reframed the teachings, focusing on messianic theology (death and resurrection as salvation), which grew into the dominant Christian narrative ([18:26]).
  • Paul's writings make up about half the New Testament; many ideas are inconsistent with Yeshua’s core message ([17:27], [59:21], [60:11]).
• Formation of the Catholic Church:
  • The “Catholic” (Universal) Church, as an institution, only emerged centuries after Jesus. Rome retroactively designated Peter as the first Pope ([19:58]).
  • Constantine and the Council of Nicaea codified doctrine and selected which texts would become canonical ([20:06], [53:37]).
• Council of Nicaea and Bible Formation:
  • The Bible was assembled by committee, with books deliberately excluded (e.g., Mary Magdalene, Judas, Enoch), often for political/theological reasons ([53:51], [54:14]).
  • Quote: "It was basically by committee. Literally by committee. That book's in, that book's out... Let's pull that out." – Alex Ferrari ([53:51])
• Constantine’s Mother & Holy Sites: Helena, Constantine’s mother, identified Christian holy sites and became the first Catholic saint ([20:36]).

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5. Rituals, Sacraments, and Church Control

• Baptism and Sacraments: Davis traces how baptism, communion, confirmation, holy orders, marriage, and last rites serve as recruitment, social control, and revenue for the institution ([30:20]–[35:26]).
• Original Baptism: Not a Jesus-ordained ritual; ritual washing was already common among Jewish groups ([31:26]).
• Celibacy and Church Power: Paul and later church doctrine imposed celibacy and gender roles inconsistent with the original teachings ([33:36]).

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6. Rome’s Transformation into Church & Secular Power

• Roman Empire Never Fell: The Roman Catholic Church became the new Rome, accumulating vast wealth and political power ([45:37]).
  • Vatican City today: the world’s smallest country, but enormously influential ([46:21]).
• Personal Story: John recounts his days as a Catholic altar boy, highlighting lack of compassion in church culture ([48:18]–[52:51]).

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7. Distinction Between Old & New Testament Gods

• Contradiction of Divine Nature: Old Testament God is “jealous and vengeful"; New Testament God is “love” ([76:07]).
  • Quote: "In the Old Testament it says God is vengeful and jealous. And the New Testament says God is love." – John Davis ([76:16])

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8. New Age Movement & Its Own Dogmas

• Patterns of Replacement: Davis draws parallels between institutional religion and New Age movements, cautioning against simply replacing old dogma with new (e.g., dietary rules, exclusive truth claims) ([65:55], [67:54], [84:00]).
  • Quote: "A lot of the new age ideologies are just creating new doctrines and dogmas." ([65:55])

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9. On Hell, Satan, and Afterlife Myths

• No Hell in Early Scripture: The concept of hell as eternal punishment is absent from Jewish tradition and early Christian texts; it evolved over time, especially via Dante’s "Inferno" and church politics ([143:32]–[146:49]).
  • Quote: "There is no hell in the Old Testament. There’s only Sheol." – John Davis ([142:59])
• Satan as Accuser or Temptation: “Satan” initially referred to anyone who accused or tempted, not a supreme evil being ([145:19]).
• Rapture: Modern idea, not found in any scripture, invented by John Nelson Darby in the 19th century ([125:51]).

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10. The Essence of Spiritual Living

• Present Moment, Love, and Self-Empowerment: Both guests affirm the only true spiritual practice is to live in love and authenticity, in the now.
• Laughing & Lightness: Life isn’t about carrying guilt and fear. “Comedies are much more fun.” ([156:37])
• Inclusivity: All traditions have loving cores, but division comes from fear and power hierarchies ([68:44]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Simplicity:
  "It's all so simple, we have a hard time comprehending it. And that simplicity itself becomes the struggle." – John Davis ([15:47])
• On Spiritual Authority:
  “Before Abraham was, I am...Before there was a religion, I am.” – John Davis ([27:51])
• On Dogma:
  "Dogma is fear." – Alex Ferrari ([71:14])
• On Institutional Power:
  "Rome said, 'I don't have any power if they have divine power within themselves.'" – John Davis ([74:05])
• On Receiving Criticism:
  "For every one negative [comment], I get 500 beautiful ones." – John Davis ([96:51])

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• 03:41 – John Davis introduces his spiritual journey and connection to "John the Beloved"
• 10:00 – Questioning Catholic doctrine and reluctance to challenge the status quo
• 14:41 – Regression memory of seeing Yeshua resurrected in physical form
• 15:42 – Summarizing the core empowering teachings of Jesus
• 17:20 – Origin of “original sin” and other late additions to Christian dogma
• 18:26–21:31 – Construction of Christianity, role of Paul, and Constantine’s influence
• 30:20 – Analysis of the sacraments as mechanisms of church control
• 45:37 – Rome becomes the Church: Vatican City and papal power
• 53:20 – Council of Nicaea and selection of “true” scriptures
• 59:21 – Paul’s influence, Rome’s stake in religious direction
• 64:34 – Bible’s unreliable authorship, evolution, and translation layers
• 71:02 – Universal message present in all sacred traditions—if read with “love goggles”
• 84:00 – New Age dogmas and the pitfalls of spiritual ego
• 110:45 – The trinity, “Son of God” vs. “Son of Man,” and spiritual oneness
• 114:49 – Dead Sea Scrolls, historical context and myths
• 143:37 – History and invention of hell, Satan, and eternal damnation
• 150:59 – Mary Magdalene as disciple and misrepresentation in Church history
• 154:47 – The final rapid-fire questions on a life fulfilled, the nature of God, and the purpose of existence

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Tone & Language

• The conversation is candid, humorous, irreverent, and deeply personal. Both men poke fun at their Catholic upbringings, tell touching and funny stories, and maintain a tone of curiosity and respect while questioning dogma.
• They occasionally drop into more serious and passionate speech when discussing issues of power and the institutional harms caused by religious manipulation.

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Conclusion

This episode is a comprehensive, accessible, and often funny exploration of how Jesus’ original message—a radical simplicity of love, present-moment awareness, and the divinity within—was transformed by centuries of institutional reworking for control and profit. John Davis encourages listeners to look beyond tradition, dogma, and even the New Age’s freshly-minted belief systems, to embrace their direct experience of love and divine power within. As always, the path is personal, and laughter—rather than shame, fear, or blind faith—is one of the surest signs you’re pointed in the right direction.

Memorable Takeaway:
"You are the author of your story. Take this moment and look at the blank page in front of you... comedies are much more fun." – John Davis ([156:14])

Transcript

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[John Davis]

Alex, I'm so happy to be here. I'm doing great and I'm more excited and even better now because I'm in the next level's whole studios.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, I appreciate you flying out, man. It has been a long time coming. Ever since I opened this, we've been trying to figure out a time for you to get down here.

[John Davis]

We've talked about it quite a bit.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we appreciate you coming, man. And every time we get together, people love it.

[John Davis]

I love it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I love it as well. I love it as well. And for people who have not heard our other conversations, which are fairly epic, they go deep down the rabbit hole. Can you talk? Tell everybody a little bit about who you are and what brought you here?

[John Davis]

Quickly, I'll give you the Reader's Digest.

[Alex Ferrari]

Version for everybody who knows who the reader, whoever knows what Reader Digest is.

[John Davis]

Right, right. I just aged myself. Thank you very much. Thank you. So I was raised as a young Catholic boy, and in the late 90s, I started having psychics come out of the blue and simply tell me that I had a past life where I walked with Jesus. And being a young Catholic boy, I denied it immediately. And I did my best not to have that experience be something that I took into myself because it was just not in alignment with what I believed at the time. But as time went on, it just kept happening. I had 19 different people walk up and tell me that I had the reincarnation life of John the Beloved. And I was like, finally. I was like, done. I don't want to be the guy who thinks he's Napoleon. I don't want to be that guy. And what happened was, is I said finally, I said, I don't want to hear any more psychics telling me this stuff anymore. I said, you give me a direct sign if that's what you want me to know. And a guy gave me a book called Edgar Cayce on the millennium. And the book said, John the Beloved will again be named John Edgar Cayce said that in 1943, which prompted me to get a past life regression. And in that past life regression, I remember meeting the guy that I call Joshua Ben Joseph and. And learning from him, and I remember the life of John the Beloved. And so that's the Reader's Digest version. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And if you want to go deeper down that rabbit hole, go watch the other shows, guys, because it's. We go really deep into that and the trials and tribulations, how you came out publicly, but you are already a. Not a carny, but a.

[John Davis]

A Rennie. A Rennie.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because you used to do Renaissance fairs.

[John Davis]

I did a lot of Renaissance festivals.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you're. You're an artist. You're out there, you know, and what I always find funny is a friend of mine, Kyle, just did a skit I saw the other day, which was hilarious about. About past life regressions. And, like, I was Joan of Arc. And then he's like, wow, out of trillions of options, you happen to be the fam. A famous one. And the other one was like, yes, I was Genghis Khan. I'm like. He's like, oh, so you always hear things like that?

[John Davis]

Yep.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's, you know, it was like. It was Cleopatra. I'm like, that was probably the guy cleaning up the crap behind the Horses of Cleopatra. Probably where I was. But it's always fascinating to me, people who have these past life aggressions and they're famous. So I. I like the way that you've kind of, like, really fought up against it for a while.

[John Davis]

And I fought against it for several reasons. One, because my. My mom had her master's degree in liturgy, Head of Liturgical doctrine at our Catholic Church.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, wow.

[John Davis]

So to fight against that kind of Catholic upbringing is tough. But, you know, it's so interesting is now that I've done this for so long, I've met multiple people who think they're John. I've met multiple people who think they're Mary and Jesus and Judas. And I've met over 30 women who think they're Mary Magdalene, obviously. And what I've come to realize is we don't know what reincarnation is. You know, what Reincarnation may be is we all may just be tapping into the oneness of God. Because if I was to say that they're wrong, then I would be the hypocrite. I'd be the one saying. Because I'm saying the same thing. Right. So I think it only matter. It doesn't matter who anybody was in a past life at all, including myself. I think it only matters who you are in the only moment you're conscious, which is your present moment. And so to me, it's all about who are you now? Not who were you then.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. It's just. It's kind of like looking back at your own life right now. Like, you know, who you were at 20.

[John Davis]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very different human being than sitting in front of us right now.

[John Davis]

Had hair.

[Alex Ferrari]

I know. Wasn't that amazing?

[John Davis]

Ye.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was everywhere.

[John Davis]

But you know what? This isn't a bald head. This is a solar panel for a love machine.

[Alex Ferrari]

There it is. You wear it well, sir.

[John Davis]

Well, thank you. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Mine are still holding on tight, but. But the line is wavering.

[John Davis]

Slow retreat, huh?

[Alex Ferrari]

No, it's not. No, the back retreated already. The front line's holding. I think the front line will hold, if my father's any indication.

[John Davis]

My comedy show, my partner started to get a bald spot. And one day he used to tease me about my hairline. And one day I grabbed him, I spun him around. I said, this show is brought to you by the letter O.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's funny.

[John Davis]

You got a good laugh out of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

That is funny. But. No, but looking back at who we were, I mean, it's, you know, trying to. I don't know. I don't know about you. I found. I found myself recently going back to really looking at nostalgia.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Looking at the 80s and the 90s, which was my golden period. I was. Was a kid in the 80s and in the 90s I was in my 20s, essentially. And going back, I've heard some people call it peak humanity.

[John Davis]

I don't believe that.

[Alex Ferrari]

But then it was before social media was before, you know, easy access to, you know, pornography and all these kind of things that just are everywhere now. And it's influenced humanity so so much. The 90s was that time that it was the. Right before also the time in the 90s. A lot of crap happened in the 90s, but financially in the US, great decade. Yeah, great decade. It was. It was really. I found myself looking back at that kind of stuff because I'm. I don't know. We're all getting older, man.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Every day. Yeah. And, you know, we look back with nostalgia. But, you know, the interesting thing about that is the past is also not only where those triumphs were, but a lot of your regrets and your. And your struggles of life are. Oh, absolutely. And you go back and you have to overcome that because that subconscious belief from that past experience can permeate into your president if you allow it. Right. And so it's a matter of breaking free of that cycle as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now, speaking of going back, let's go back a while.

[John Davis]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's this guy named Joshua.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Troublemaker.

[John Davis]

Yeah, he was that.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was. He was a troublemaker. Everywhere he went, they kicked him out pretty quickly because he just started challenging everybody.

[John Davis]

Everybody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everybody. Everybody or in the town, if you will. I wanted to go back because, you know, you and I are both recovering Catholics, as we like to joke, and, you know, the Catholic doctrine and the Bible and all of that. So many people look at that blindly. They just look whatever they were given, absolutely. They just believe it.

[John Davis]

They're told to believe it, and so they believe it.

[Alex Ferrari]

And not to question.

[John Davis]

Right, and not to question. In fact, when they question, they are literally cast out. I can't tell you how many people have told me that when they were kids, they were questioned and they were punished for questioning.

[Alex Ferrari]

Isn't that insane?

[John Davis]

Insanity.

[Alex Ferrari]

Insanity. So what happened between the ages of 12 and 30? What happened to those.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Where does that question come?

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[John Davis]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

We don't talk about that. Why don't we talk about that? That's the most interesting time of Jesus is like.

[John Davis]

And when you. When you talk to a Hindu, they'll tell you that he was Sri Isa.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[John Davis]

Who. And that was the time he was there. They also will tell you that after the crucifixion, he. He collected his wife and came back and raised children there.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. And that's. I've had that. Many, many mystics have told me that as well. Where the resurrection wasn't. It wasn't the way they portrayed it. He did come back, but he actually came back in the physical form.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or he came back.

[John Davis]

Can I talk about that, please? Because I'll tell you when all those psychics were telling me about my past life.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

The second the second session was with the first reader who told me I had two, two readings in a row with her and it was the first psychic. She was the first psychic I ever had a reading from, ever, because I was not into that because I was a Catholic. Right. It's a devil's work, right? Right. So the second session, we actually did it on a beach in Cape and Lip and State park in Delaware. And she's doing this thing and all of a sudden her her demeanor changed. She began a full channeling on the beach and she says, do you see me? And I knew she didn't mean see her, and I said no, because I'm being defiant. Of course she said, close your eyes and see, which sounds so antithetical to seeing. Right. But I closed my eyes and it was like my eyes opened up somewhere else. It was like as I closed my eyes, I was having a full sensory awareness of being lying on my face in the sand. And my hands were down in front of me and I looked down at my hands and I could see things falling and hitting my hands. And I looked up and right above me was feet. And I looked at the feet and I looked upward and Joshua was standing there laughing at me. Right. Well, I had no idea what that moment was. Many years later, I had a full recollection of that Moment it was after he died on the cross. It was him physically standing in front of me. The reason I fell on my face is because I was seeing him in the physical and I thought he was dead. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

As one would fall down on your face.

[John Davis]

Right. And he laughed at me because what are you doing right now? When you look at the concept of the resurrection, if you study Hinduism at all, you're going to find story after story of gurus who project their consciousness and manifest their body.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[John Davis]

And I think that's what Joshua did. I think that he projected his consciousness elsewhere and then manifested his body around, which is why in the Bible, when the ladies see him after the death for the first time, he says, don't touch me. I'm not fully informed yet. Basically, he's still coming back into the physical.

[Alex Ferrari]

And. And so many people have said that Jesus was a master yogi, that he was a master yogi. He learned all the yogic in India and he just evolved to a full blown master.

[John Davis]

Yeah. See what's interesting about. To me, I think Jesuit studied all of it, but I think he simplified it. He brought it down into a more simple form.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's the Bruce Lee.

[John Davis]

He is the Bruce Lee.

[Alex Ferrari]

He is the Bruce Lee of spirituality.

[John Davis]

The Jeet Kune do.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because he takes a little bit of the kung fu, a little bit of the karate, a little bit of the judo and put it all but the simple, the things that worked.

[John Davis]

Right, Right. And what's so interesting is when I had my regression, one of the things I came out of my regression with was this one simple phrase. It was. It's all so simple, we have a hard time comprehending it. And that simplicity itself becomes the struggle. Because what Jeshua spoke of is the power within. The kingdom of heaven is within you. It is your faith that heals you. Greater works than I have done, you will do. He talks about you having the power within. But the hardest people that we not hardest people, the hardest thing that people have today is accepting their own divinity, accepting that they have that power. Because they're told by religions, both old and new, even new age ideologies are putting things ahead of you to chase. It's all about this one present moment that you have being the moment that you have the ability to create anything. Because you are a reflection of your belief. Your experience is a reflection of belief. Hinduism, the Bhagavad Gita, says, thought by thought, you forge your destiny. Therefore, to keep your mind on the positive rather than the negative is considered the austerity. Of the mind. It's about that concept of thought by thought. Because when Moses asked the burning bush what his name was, he said, I am that I am not, I will be that I will be, or I was that I was, I am than I am. Right. It's the present moment belief and the present moment declaration. But that declaration means that you have to be divine enough to declare. And most people don't declare because they believe that they're not worthy, which is what Christianity and a lot of religions will tell you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Original sin.

[John Davis]

Original sin, which is a third century addition to the Bible. It's not even biblical.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which we will get into.

[John Davis]

Yes. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Damn that Paul.

[John Davis]

And actually that was Augustine who did that one.

[Alex Ferrari]

That was Augustine.

[John Davis]

Augustine did that. Yeah, Augustine added that in the third century. Paul added a bunch of junk too, which what he added was a bunch of Pharisaic beliefs, which was not what Joshua taught at all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, really quickly let's go back into that time period. So you know, Joshua dies and then resurrects either way, whichever way you, whatever way you believe he finished, he finished at that time according to where it was. So he was crucified. It was 300 years later. It took hundreds of years, hundreds of years for his teachings to kind of gain speed.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then there was the Gnostics and the Rosicrucians.

[John Davis]

Rosicrucians came up through with the other.

[Alex Ferrari]

Ones, the Gnostics, the, the.

[John Davis]

There was a Coptic teachings.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And then there was another. I think it was the Gnostics, but there might have been another group. There was a bunch of true believers who really stuck with the original teachings.

[John Davis]

Well, let's talk about that. Please talk to me. Okay, so all of the writings that we have, be they Gnostic, be they biblical, be they scripture, be they Paul's writings are documented to be somewhere between 70 and 200 years after the crucifixion written by Greco Roman Christians with a Messianic agenda to teach this belief that Jesus was the Messiah. And I'm using the word Jesus purposely here, who came up with that idea? It wasn't until Paul, it was Paul.

[Alex Ferrari]

Paul's the one that created the divine, the divine aspect of it.

[John Davis]

Absolutely. He says, he says, your res, your, your salvation is the death and resurrection of Jesus. And so he, he basically took the messianic ideas. Now over the course of time, the various sects of Abraham, and I'm going to say it's an Abrahamic religion, Abrahamic religion, you know, be it, be it Judaism, Christianity, you know, and various forms of Christianity, they all started saying they were the right way. Right. And. And the cat. The word Catholic is a Greek word that means universal, means we are the only way. But. Right, right. So. But he. But what's interesting about that is they retroactively went back and took the stories and made them the universal church. So Peter being the first pope of the Catholic Church, there was no Catholic Church until. Actually, officially, there wasn't a Catholic Church until the. Between the sixth and seventh century. Really? Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what was it? Between 300 and 400, 500?

[John Davis]

What was it? Christianity.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was Christianity.

[John Davis]

Christianity.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the Catholic Church.

[John Davis]

The Catholic Church went back and retroactively created this history to make them the universal church.

[Alex Ferrari]

But isn't the Catholic Church just Rome?

[John Davis]

Well, that's another part of that. Yeah. So I love that you brought that up. So Constantine. Constantine was formalizing this church, and they had many councils. Nicaea being the first Nicaea, they started codifying what Christianity was. Not Catholicism, but Christianity. And so to prove these stories were true, he sent his mother to the Middle east to find all the holy sites.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is Constantine.

[John Davis]

Constantine sent his mother. She went and she chose the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where that is. She chose Mount Sinai. She chose all these places. And guess what else happened to her? She became the first saint of the Catholic Church.

[Alex Ferrari]

Shocking.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah. Helena of Constantinople. St. Helena of Constantinople. That's his mom. Right. So he sent mom, and mom went off and did all that. Now, it's funny. I'm a very empathic kind of person. I feel things very clearly. And I went to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and I'm walking through the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and I'm not feeling a darn thing, right? And the guy that I was traveling with, he used to use me like a human barometer because he knew when I start to feel something, there's something about it. And he says, john, come with me. I want to take you somewhere. And he takes me out to the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem. And we're walking down this. And as I'm walking down this, I'm seeing, like, military vehicles and guys with machine guns on, and I start getting nauseous and I start weeping. I literally start crying as I'm walking down this road, and we turn this corner, and he says, let's go in here. And a little sign that says garden tomb. Do you know what the garden tomb is? So the British Archaeological Society says that the Church of the Holy Sepulcher is wrong and that the actual crucifixion happened in this other area, which is the garden tomb. They found this tomb complex right next to a hillside that the locals called Golgotha, which means Skull Hill, right, which is where the crucifixion happened. So as I'm getting closer and closer to this, not knowing where I'm going, I start weeping, I start crying, I go into the place, I see Golgotha and I collapse because it was just the feeling of it was so overwhelming. And then as we're right next to Golgotha is the tomb complex. Well, historically, Joseph of Arimathea buried Yeshua in his personal tomb, which was right next to Golgotha, where they found a wealthy man's tomb right next to Golgotha. And I'm walking down this, the staircase and for some reason I can't turn my head to the right, I can't look that way. And I get to the bottom and I finally glance over and it was like this flood of memories of carrying Joshua's body, that literally three of us were carrying his body. And I don't remember putting him actually in the tomb, but there's just memories of that carrying him. So I walked into the tomb and. Which many historians will tell you, well, it's a medieval tomb, it's this, it's that. I don't care what they say. The feeling of it for me was this was very much a place where this happened.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

And I, I walked in and it was very interesting because you have three slabs where bodies would have been laid out. And there's a hole in the wall that shines light on one. And there was a cross carved in the wall.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fairy Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[John Davis]

Very Raiders of the Lost Ark. And spikes were coming out of the wall.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. Put the sand in it.

[John Davis]

But what was so interesting was when you read the actual historical text, when he was in the tomb, there was a light shining in on him. And that one slab had this light shining in through on him, which I thought was really interesting. I didn't even know that until later when I found that. But so to me, when I look at. We don't know a lot about the early story of Joshua because the stories that we're told nowadays are all based in messianic agendas. They want to make him a deity, they want to make him an idol. They want to make him something to pray to.

[Alex Ferrari]

So let's stop there for a second. Explain to people why they wanted to create this divine being that was as divine as all of us are.

[John Davis]

Right? Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

As he said himself that everything I can do, you can do and more.

[John Davis]

Right, Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, which goes complete, like, as I'm saying it, I feel guilty because I'm Catholic. I'm a former Catholic.

[John Davis]

You're damned to hell now.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm damned to hell now because I said things like this, this whole conversation. We're damned to hell. I hate to tell you, but.

[John Davis]

And we can talk about hell, too, because there's an interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love talking about hell. Hell's fascinating. There's a show I'm watching right now about ghosts. Ever seen ghosts?

[John Davis]

No, I haven't.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, my God. It's on cbs. It's genius.

[John Davis]

Really.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll talk about it.

[John Davis]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's. But there's hell in that, and it's brilliantly done. My question is, why were they creating an idol where Jesus or Yeshua. And we can talk about Jesus and Yeshua in a minute as well. Why they needed to create a Deity where, like a Buddha who is followed by billions of people around the world was never, to my understanding, never put up on the pedestal of a deity.

[John Davis]

That would have been completely against Buddha's ideology.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct? Well, it was also against Jesus.

[John Davis]

Also against. Yes, also against Krishnas and against Muhammad as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, they didn't want to be worshiped. They were there as examples of what can happen. So can you explain to people why the powers that be decided to use Jesus's story? Because he was arguably a nobody when he died.

[John Davis]

Right, Right. No, yeah. He was a crazy itinerant preacher who was speaking against not only religious authority, but political authority.

[Alex Ferrari]

And there's one mention in the Roman archives of Jesus, one mention of like. And this dude named Jesus was crucified.

[John Davis]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

That's it.

[John Davis]

That's the sentence exactly right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So he wasn't like. And Jesus Christ was like, none of that.

[John Davis]

In all of my regressive memories, I didn't hear one choir sing or any special light turn on when he walked into a room.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, that's just us, sir. That's just us in our own minds. But can you explain to people why the powers that be decided to grab onto him and start pushing these ideas?

[John Davis]

Well, it's actually a really fascinating historical story because let me start with this quote from the Bible, from Jeshua, supposedly, and everything in the Bible is hearsay because it was all written so much later anyway. But he said before Abraham was I am. And people try to say, he's trying to say he was existence, was God, and he was this. Abraham, at that time period was the representation of the Judaic religion. When you said Abraham, you were talking about religion. So before Abraham was I am. Before there was a religion, I am. What you have is you have a construct of people who are trying to marry this religion, which is very much about an external God as opposed to a God being within. And so it was their natural model of the time to pray without, pray outside of themselves and to look at idols, which is why the Old Testament talks about false idols and all this stuff. But it was the natural inclination of the time to actually look outside of themselves for something divine. To say something was divine within you was blasphemy and heresy, of course, because you're no one. Because you're no one. And God is everything. Right. The struggle was that Jeshua came along and said, no, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Ye are gods. Greater works than I have done, you will do. It is your faith that heals you. He kept saying, all these things that were so empowering to the individual, but that was completely against the idea of the religion and the construct of the time. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's right. That's saying not only do you not need religious authority, you don't need political authority. He literally saying, you know, what you think about this moment is the creative element of everything, and you are the pinpoint of creation. And when you look at it from that perspective, people couldn't grasp that concept. It was what we said earlier about people not being able to accept their own divinity. They could not accept their divinity in that time because they were told by not only the Roman authority, but the religious authority that they were worthy and subjugated. And so they took that idea. Now, once you have these power structures of religion and social authority, what you find very quickly is that none of those work without power, without giving them the power. And so they start manipulating the power. Right. They start creating more and more this power. Talk about original sin. Invented in the third century by Paul, by Augustine.

[Alex Ferrari]

Augustine was the original sin.

[John Davis]

And he took that moment and he created original sin. Why do you have original sin?

[Alex Ferrari]

Because you got the chip stacked against you with the second. You walk into the playing field.

[John Davis]

Yep. So now let's. You already owe here in debt. Original sin leads you right into the first sacrament, too, in Catholicism.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course it does.

[John Davis]

Right? Yeah. What is the first sacrament? Baptism. Why are you doing that? Because we're going to save you from hell, which is a Christian construction. Right. And you have to become a Catholic to be saved. So you get baptized into the Catholic faith. So the first thing is you have a sin so that we can recruit you into the Catholic Church.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now stop there for a second baptism. The original purpose of baptism, to my understanding, was to get people away from animal sacrifices. And Jesus went to John the Baptist and John's like, hey, guys, you don't need to be saved by you remember the whole thing when he flipped up the cards, the cards inside the temple and stuff? It was that big. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. To my understanding was this big kind of like scam that they were like, you need the bigger the animal that you sacrificed, the richer you were.

[John Davis]

Right? Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they were selling you the animals and telling you, if you don't do it, you're gonna hell. So it was a great little hustle.

[John Davis]

That's interesting about baptism is there's no place in the Bible that Jesus does a baptism. No, there's not one. Right. But during that time period, Both the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes all were doing ritual.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the other one.

[John Davis]

The Essenes, they're all doing ritual bathing. Yeah, Right. We go to Qumran, there's ritual bath chambers. Right. And it's all about this ritual bathing to cleanse the spirit, cleanse the soul. And that's what baptism was, was this Judaic idea that you needed to cleanse the soul. And Jeshua said before Abraham was I am, before there was a religion that you needed to bathe yourself. But once again, it becomes this ritual of baptism into this faith, which now you've gone into the faith. So let me just run the gambit of sacraments for a second. Oh, I love this.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then I'll tell you my sacrament, my. My Confirmation.

[John Davis]

Oh, good. Okay. It's amazing. Okay, so we have. Now you've become a Catholic before you even had a chance to choose. You've been baptized into the faith.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely right.

[John Davis]

You get the first communion, the next sacrament, they go, hey, let's make sure that this Catholicism thing is fun. Let's have a big party and throw some ice cream and eat some cake and do something cool in the church so that we all know that this is good for this little kid. Then you get to the age of reason, which is about 13, which in Judaism would be the bar mitzvah, the bat mitzvah. In Catholicism, it's confirmation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not nearly as cool of a party.

[John Davis]

Not nearly as cool as a party.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a much cooler party.

[John Davis]

Yeah. You get a new name, though, which is kind of cool, which I'll tell you about. Right. So. But right at the time when you start to have cognitive reasoning, they come in and they say, you have to confirm your faith in Catholicism. They literally tell you, this is you have to confirm before you can think too much. Confirm. Then you go into the next one, which is marriage, the sacrament of marriage. But there's a twin to the sacrament of marriage. There's the Holy Orders.

[Alex Ferrari]

I didn't know. What's that one?

[John Davis]

Yeah. So here's what happens is if you have inclinations for the opposite sex, you are supposed to get married and have children with original sin to start that cycle again. If you don't have inclinations for the opposite sex, you have received the Holy Orders and you are to become a nun or a priest. Lovely. So the people who don't have the inclination for the opposite sex get funneled into the priesthood. And what do we have now? All this, all these stories, Issues, issues. Let's say issues. We'll just say issues. Right. But you know, if God is love, like the book of John says, which by the way, is best darn book in the Bible. Thank you very much. Wow. If God is love, then love in any form can't be wrong. So this idea that they're told if they don't love the opposite sex, that they have to be funneled into this is antithetical to the teachings of Joshua all the way. Because God is love. So now you got that. Then after those two rituals, those two sacraments, you have the last rites. Now the last rites became a really big thing in the Middle ages.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[John Davis]

Because it was all about saying, hey, if you don't give us your money, you're going to hell. And so nonetheless, people, they would funnel money into the church. And that's why the churches today have gold everywhere.

[Alex Ferrari]

Talk about the Vatican.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy, really. So what you see here is starting with baptism, all it is is a cycle of recruitment and a cycle of profiteering. And Jeshua said before Abraham was I am, which means none of this theology, which wasn't actually in the Bible. This is all Christian theology or Catholic theology, you know, hundreds of years later that are added in, that would be the idolization of him. They're making money off him being the idol.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

Him being the golden calf, as it were. Golden, of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course. So I've said the story before, but it bears repeating because I haven't told you this story in my confirmation story. So I'm in Catholic church, and I'm already, let's say, off the reservation. Have been for a minute. Even though I was going to Catholic school at the time, I was just like, this makes no sense to me. And add in the teenage stuff, then it's over. So I hear, like, my mom's like, you have to be confirmed. I'm like, what? What's what? You have to get confirmed. You have to do this and that. You have to go to class. I'm like, whatevs. Okay, sure, let's do it. And so we go into it, and then during the time, like, the nun turns to me, she's like, we all get to choose our names. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, you get to choose your name. And it's announced at the confirmation. I'm like, excellent, excellent. So then my friends are like, you won't do it. I'm like, oh, I'm going to do it. I was in eighth grade. Oh, you're going to do it? I'm like, so I write my name, my. My religious confirmation name, where the priest has to recite it in front of the entire congregation. By. By. By divine law, he must read it. And I'm sitting there, and the other one was like. And my friend before me is like, abraham, blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, and they chose these real biblical names, and they get to me, and you see the priest just go, like, you could start seeing him. And he goes, bartholomew Humperdink. Bartholomew. And my. My whole class started peeing themselves just. And you see the parents faces like, what? And I'm dying. And it was just the greatest.

[John Davis]

Humperdank.

[Alex Ferrari]

Bartholomew Humperdink. I just thought it was the most amazing name ever.

[John Davis]

Oh, that's amazing. I was boring. I took my grandfather's name, you know, John Charles James Davis.

[Alex Ferrari]

I had fun with it. I had some fun with it.

[John Davis]

That is perfect, though. But you know what I love about that, though, is they don't realize that you were living Joshua's teachings in that moment. And you know why? Because Joshua was about being present and fearless. And there's only one moment in life that you're both present and fearless, and it's when you're truly laughing. And when you're truly laughing, you're not thinking about your past, you're not thinking about your future right there in that moment. And you're exhaling, which is the release of fear. So you're being completely present and fearless. So that laughter you gave, you probably gave more God in that moment. That's beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

I never thought about that, but.

[John Davis]

Well, you know, it is so interesting because that moment of laughter itself, there's. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, because that is. That is what Joshua felt like. That's what he taught, and that's what he was showing us, was available within you. And you took that, even though it was a great joke. And I loved it. And thank you for sharing. It gave me a chance to have that feeling as well, right here in the studio. Because that moment of laughter was actually the teaching.

[Alex Ferrari]

And Joshua had a pretty good sense of humor.

[John Davis]

Huge sense of humor. Most of my regressive memories of Joshua are of laughter of him and his wife.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that was. That was. And we'll talk about that. Oh, we're gonna be here for hours. That was the one thing that when we went over to Europe and we started going to all these museums and stuff, it's like every time you see Jesus, it's just so depressing.

[John Davis]

Oh, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's constantly. He's bleeding. He's on the crucifix. He's. He's like. He's. All the time. Every once in a while, we'd see, like, oh, look, Jesus smiling.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was such a rare thing. They just kept using this iconography of.

[John Davis]

Iconography. An idolatry. Yeah. Of Yeshua. The idol of Christianity has become the cadaver on the wall.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's all he is.

[John Davis]

Yeah, It's a cadaver on the wall. And why would you wear a cross representing his death and horrific torture as opposed to his birth, his laughter, his joy, his feeling. Right. I remember, like I said, lots of laughter. And I remember him playing with children. Oh, I'm sure, because children are, you know, coming here, flying here to come meet you. I was in the airport, and I was sitting there at the gate, and this woman walked by with a really surly look on her face. You could just see she was in a bad mood. And right as she gets by me. I see her spot a little girl who's just cute as can be. And I watch this surly person break into a smile, and I'm like, that's. That's so beautiful. Because, you know, in the Bible, it says you must become as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven. Children don't have a past to live into or express from, so they are just the purest essence of what God is.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's closer to the source than we are.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Just like animals, you know, puppies and kittens, you know, we get giggly. Empathic people usually surround themselves with animals, but because they feel the unconditional love, as opposed to the conditions they feel from others. But this woman saw this little girl. She instantly fell into this experience of this little girl. But then she passed her, and she went back to her surliness, and her face went back to being a scowl and a little furrow between her eyebrows. And it was so interesting to me because the purity of that moment was lost on her. Because this is what I call being a. A reaction 0 instead of an action hero. Right. You're having this experience of life where you're processing from the stimulus of your past experience, and then you see one moment that's just pure and present, and you don't even realize you're doing it, and you're having that experience. And, you know, Jeshua was all about the laughter, because that was where you found that pure experience of that little girl, you know, that pure experience. And, you know, I did a painting a while back. It's called Jeshua Nishti and Ishti. It's also called man and Wife. There's two different titles on it, but it was the memory of him having his wife, Amaram, and he called her Ishti in one of my regressions. And the only reason I refer to his wife is because the word Ishti in Hebrew means wife. So he referred to his wife. But the painting I did was the two of them laughing because I did not want to have that somber look.

[Alex Ferrari]

Call it the cadaver on the wall.

[John Davis]

The cadaver on the wall? Yeah. It's the idol of the cadaver on the wall. And to me, when I look at Jeshua, I think of this man who laughed, who expressed, who loved, who came to the Samaritan woman at the well. And he didn't judge her for being a Samaritan, which would have happened from a Jewish man. He didn't judge her for being a woman, which would have happened coming from A Jewish man. He didn't in any way, shape or form care that he was traveling on the Sabbath, which is against Judaic law. Right. And then he told her everything she ever did, which is basically a psychic reading, which is against Leviticus. Right. He did everything opposite of what they said he could do because he was loving that person, no matter what they were, who they were, who they loved, anything. He was just being the pure love in that moment. And that's what got expressed. This woman got so excited, she ran around town saying, come see the man who told me everything I ever did. She literally had a feeling of what pure love was. You know, in my very first regression, I'm walking towards the crowd where he was, and I could feel his presence. I could feel. And you hear it in my regression. If you go. If you. Anybody's watching this, you go to my channel. There's a video called two moments from my regression on there. One of them is the moment I met Joshua and the moment I crossed over when he touched me. And then there's the moment of witnessing him on the cross, witnessing being crucified. And I'm going to warn any of you who watch that video that, that if you watch that video, the second part of it, you're going to hear me screaming and hear me crying and going through the. Watching my friend being crucified. But the first part of feeling his presence as you came up, the more fearless you are, the more in the teachings of Jeshua, you are in the way you are. Because, you know, the Buddha says the secret to enlightenment is the eradication of fear. And the Sufis say the veil between you and God is your fear and your life is to struggle against the veil and you can overcome the veil. That's what Joshua did. He just live present and fearless at all times, and you could feel it from him. And that's what that child did in the airport with that little girl. I mean, that girl did with that woman. She felt the presence.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I mentioned before that Rome didn't fall. It just turned into the Roman.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah, it morphed.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I've said this before, but I'll say it again. When I was at the Vatican, first time in my life, I just. It just for it. Maybe I'm dense, but I'd never put together Roman Catholic Church that was from Rome. I don't know why I never connected Rome with the Roman Catholic Church.

[John Davis]

Oh, no, I get it. Because I grew up with an Irish mother, so we were the Irish Church. Irish Catholics.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. So I just never connected Roman Catholic. And then as I've spoken to many Rome experts and mystics and other people in that, in the historical space, how Rome, all the money that Rome just, just kind of rolled it over into the ira.

[John Davis]

That is the Roth ira created the Vatican City for all kinds of political tax reasons.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. Again, they're the smallest. They're the smallest.

[John Davis]

They're the smallest country in the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

Smallest country in the world. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show and Complete power. Complete power. They run Italy still.

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It's insane.

[John Davis]

Can I tell you a story? This is going back to my when I was an altar boy and you got out alive. I got out alive. And I wasn't even. Never mind. We'll leave that story alone. But my mom, of course, with her master's degree in liturgy was we were very, very Catholic. And as an altar boy, you know, I had to toe the line. Well, my mom was also the organist and the choir director at church, so she played the organ for all of the Masses on the weekends. So I was going to be the altar boy at the 9 o' clock mass one Sunday morning. And I woke up late and.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no.

[John Davis]

I ran. Oh, oh. I ran upstairs and I wolfed down a bowl of Cheerios and I ran out the back of my house. I threw my bike over the back fence because that was the fastest way to get to the church. And I pedaled my butt off all the way to the church. I got to the church and I walked on into the back and the priest looked at me over his glasses on disapprovingly and I. I was the only one. There was three altar boys there that day and I was the only one who knew how to set everything up. So they're all waiting for you? They're all waiting for me. I run in and I start doing everything, start getting everything. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Get. I'm stressed out because I'm late. I know I'm in trouble. The priest just gave me. And the priest was my mom's best friend, of course, right? So I'm like, oh, stressed out. They take us around to the back. We process in from the back. I'm carrying the cross, right? And we walk all the way to the front. We sit down, start doing the service. So then my brother does what? My brother was on the altar doing the readings. He does the reading, does the second reading, then comes time for the sermon. Right? And you have to stand for. For the sermon.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, I know.

[John Davis]

So I'm standing. I'm standing there on the altar and the lights are shining down on me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no.

[John Davis]

And I start to sweat and I start to get this water filming in the back of my mouth and I start to feel my Cheerios start to erupt.

[Alex Ferrari]

No.

[John Davis]

And I'm standing there and I'm like trying not to. Not to vomit on the altar.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, my God.

[John Davis]

And I'm sitting there and I. And it's getting worse and worse and worse and worse. And I know I'm not. I can't puke on the altar. That's terrible. It's a horrible thing to have happen. You're gonna go to hell. If that happens, perfect. It's like straight on through. You're going to hell. Right? And so what did I do? I felt I started to throw up. And I caught the upcoming attraction in my hands. And I'm holding this in my hands. And now I'm standing on the altar with a handful of Cheerios.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, God.

[John Davis]

Right? And I'm looking around, I'm like, what Do I do?

[Alex Ferrari]

Has anyone seen.

[John Davis]

Oh, yeah, everyone saw.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, everyone's seen that you threw up in your hand.

[John Davis]

Everyone saw, okay. And I'm like. I'm like, what do I do with this? And I look back, and the door was behind me, so I was able to back through into the sacras. Throw this down like 13. I know I throw that. And I lost the rest of my. My lunch.

[Alex Ferrari]

Breakfast.

[John Davis]

Breakfast. Out into the bushes. Got all cleaned up. Mass ended.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, geez. Wow, man, this is a heck of a day.

[John Davis]

Mass ended. Priest came back, read me the raft of litany of that should not have eaten one hour before mass. Should not have been late for mass today. Started laying all that out to me right now.

[Alex Ferrari]

As opposed to the empathy.

[John Davis]

The empathy. So. So get this. So here, my brother witnesses this on this on the. On the. He's sitting there on the. On the altar, and this woman gets up in the. From the first row, first pew walks up to him. She says, excuse me, but that young man over there is very sick, and he need. You need to help him. And my brother looked over just in time to watch me catch it, right? And he's like, right. All that happens. No one comes to help me. I go out through the back. My brother gets up and goes over after the sermon's done. The priest sits for a reflective silence. Of course, my brother sits next to him and he whispers. He says, john just threw up. And the priest says, where? He says in his hand. And the priest said, good. Right Now, I don't blame my brother or the priest for acting that way, because that was the doctrine that they were. They were indoctrinated into. But God showed up that day. God showed up when she said, that young man is sick because she was the one doing the loving thing. She was the one.

[Alex Ferrari]

The Yeshua thing.

[John Davis]

Yeah, she was the Yeshua thing. She was being the way, the truth and the life of love. And so when I look at that story now, I don't blame my brother. I don't blame the police. I don't blame the church. I look at that beautiful woman who stood up and said, that young man is sick and he needs our love.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[John Davis]

So that, to me, is just the representation of what Joshua meant.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautiful man. That was a great story.

[John Davis]

No, thanks.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a very, very good story.

[John Davis]

Very graphic. I can bring up puking up, period.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, very nice that you snuck that in. So going back to Rome, turning into the Catholic Church. So Yeshua dies, and then we're talking about 300 years plus for the Council of Nicaea 325, something like that. Right. And that's Constantine. Constantine who decided, hey, we need to grab power because there's too many Christians running around.

[John Davis]

Yep.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we're. And it was from. It went from throwing the Christians to the lions to. Now if you're not Christian, you'll get thrown to the lions.

[John Davis]

Right. And one of the people who was throwing the Christians to the lions was Paul.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're going to get to Senor. Senor Paul in a minute.

[John Davis]

All right, Senor Paul.

[Alex Ferrari]

Senor Paul in a minute.

[John Davis]

Paolo.

[Alex Ferrari]

Paolo. Senor Paolo in a minute. So Constantine gets consultancy and they bring every story together that's. That's known at the time, and they start to create Christianity as we know it.

[John Davis]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is. And I'm saying this for people who have not heard this before, because it blew my mind when I first heard it. And I'm like, so wait a minute. It was basically by committee. Literally by committee. That book's in, that book's out. Oh, I don't like that reincarnation thing. Let's pull that out. What's the Book of Enoch? Yeah, let's not go, oh, Mary Magdalene is the wife. We can't have that. Let's turn her into a. Because that's what that.

[John Davis]

Which is not biblical at all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which we have to. We could do that because we can't.

[John Davis]

Have women with too much power because of Paul. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So then. So when did Paul insert himself? What year?

[John Davis]

Well, it's very interesting because Paul's writings are the ones who are. They're not actually scriptures, they're letters. Right. But we call them scriptures now.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's not an apostle.

[John Davis]

Not an apostle.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can we let everybody know Paul is not. Steal from Peter to pay Paul, that whole thing. Apparently, Peter not a fan.

[John Davis]

Peter not a fan. Well, let's talk about that for a second, because you're talking about Rome. You know, in the Gnostic text, it says, the disciples say to Jeshua, who do we go to when you're gone? And in the Gnostic text, Jeshua says, go to my brother James. He doesn't say Peter. Right. Never says Peter. Right. But what happens is, at the crucifixion, Jeshua goes to the cross knowing he's dying, but he also knows that he has shared a truth and that if he can spread that truth and people start to believe in that truth, then what will happen is it'll grow. Right. So what does he do? He says, peter, you go to Rome. John, you go To Turkey. James, you stay here. He took the information and he spread it out, got it wide. Well, Peter went to Rome. For Peter to be the first pope of the Christian Church, he has to be the next one, the rock upon which we will build this church. So Rome grabbed ahold of Peter and said, he is our first pope, which was a retroactive addition. And they just started moving the seat of power of Christianity to Rome itself, because that's where it was. Now, this all happened much later. Nicaea was the beginning of the doctrines being pulled together. The people who were at Nicaea after Nicaea were the ones who compiled the books. But they got doctrine to start creating a book. They create the Codex Sinaiticus, they create several other Codex Panacanus and all these various versions. There's multiple versions of the original.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we'll talk about King James in a minute.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah, I have a lot to say about him. But. But this idea of Nicaea being the one place where they chose the books, it was the one where they. That's where they started choosing books. That's where they started the process of creating a Bible.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because there was a book by Mary Magdalene, there was a Gospel of Mary Magdalene, there was a Gospel of the Gospel of Judas. Yeah, there was a ton of gospels.

[John Davis]

That just got pushed out because they didn't match various doctrines and they didn't match the Abrahamic idea of an external God that we must be subjugated to. Because the Jesuit teachings were not about being subjugated to a God. They were about the power within. And so by starting to codify this into a group now, Paul was a very interesting critter, shall we say, Senor Pablo? Pablo. I like Pablo better than Pablo. He never met Jeshua in life. He had a vision on the road to Damascus. Supposedly, he declared himself to be the apostle to the Gentiles.

[Alex Ferrari]

Declared himself?

[John Davis]

He declared himself to be the apostle to be the gentile. The Gnostic Gospel of James declared, calls him the liar. Literally calls him the liar. And prior to his vision, he was traveling the country as a Pharisee, punishing Christians for being Christian.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

Right. So this was, he was this, this guy didn't have a good track record. One of the things that's said about him in the Gnostic scriptures is that he was a kind of like a chameleon. He would change his story for whoever he was talking to.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was a politician.

[John Davis]

Yeah, he was a politician, exactly. He ended up living with Governor Governor Felix, a Roman governor for many, many years. He was the only one who was the actual Roman citizen. So he was very much tied into Rome and its authority during that time. And then when Rome starts to lean into the teachings and the Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what year is this Paul?

[John Davis]

Well, this, well, supposedly he, supposedly he had his vision within a couple years of the crucifixion. Oh, but the writings don't come around until 50 to 70 years later. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then they're not incorporated into the doctrine until the 300.

[John Davis]

So way past Paul, way past Paul. So then we come to now. Now Rome has taken control of the Bible content, Right. And we have the 50% of the new Testament is Luke and Paul. Right. Luke being number one. Luke never met Joshua in life. Luke was Paul's disciple. Right. So 50% of the new Testament is all Paul writings. Then there's these letters to Timothy and all that stuff. Timothy was Paul's disciple. So these are letters from Paul to Timothy. So it's all Paul, everything's Paul, the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. None of them actually had the names Matthew, Mark, Luke or John attributed them until much later, all of them were written anonymously. And so, and so which we could.

[Alex Ferrari]

Estimate that it could have been all Paul or Pauli.

[John Davis]

It could totally have been Pauline. But they also, scholars agree that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, especially Matthew, Mark and Luke are coming from the same source text because they're using the same terminologies, the same things. So they know that they're probably coming from this other text and then breaking them out into these three different doctrines. John being the most esoteric, they're not going to find a lot of correlation with that one. But it also was written anonymously. You know, he never says John, he says that the, the disciple that Jesus loved is what he's referred to himself. So when you look at the, the texts that were, that were actually chosen, Matthew, Mark and Luke lean into the virgin birth, which was not. Nothing Joshua ever said happened. Yeah, the whole virgin birth, whole virgin birth thing. And then you look at the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church pushes out now they put out the red letter versions. These are the things that Jesus said. Right. And I say, every time I talk religion, I say Jesus as opposed to Jesuit. Because I don't think it's the same person. I think it's very different.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a caricature.

[John Davis]

But what I like about this construct of these red letter versions is that there's huge portions of these red letter versions that supposedly happened when nobody else was around but Joshua. So who wrote it down? Who actually took it and wrote it down? Because Yeshua never did. Right. When he battled with the devil for 40 days and nights, that whole story, no one was there except for him and the devil, supposedly. Right. So where did these.

[Alex Ferrari]

Are you saying the devil wrote it?

[John Davis]

The only other guy we'll get into the devil too. Boy, I go down that route because that's actually a historically fascinating.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh no, we'll get there.

[John Davis]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

So anyway, we will get there.

[John Davis]

So, so the, so the Rome took this whole thing and said, look, we have all these rules, doctrines that subjugate people to our authority that we, we have these new ideas that, that, that we have this image of the cross, which is really ridiculous that they chose that because the cross was a Roman punishment. Yes. So why would they choose that? You know, and then what they did was they just started saying these are what you have to believe and these have to believes. And the reason I say have to believe is I had a guy one time and I asked him very specifically this question, very devout Catholic and I said to him, I said, so can I Ask you a question. I said, the books that didn't make it into the Bible, are they just as valid as the ones that did? And he says no, no. I said, why not? He says, because I have to believe that God's hand was in the choosing.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's ridiculous.

[John Davis]

But he has to believe. Who says he has to? The church. Right. The church is the one who says he has to. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

People believe that it fell down from the sky.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Leather bound and everything, ready to go. Like that's not the case.

[John Davis]

And what's really interesting is the Codex Sinaiticus when they found it in St. Catherine's Monastery in Egypt, every page had edits and not just for grammar, for content, context.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's one of those books that, it's one of those books that we could talk about the old in a minute, but the New Testament, it's just this jam packed book of stories, secondhand, third hand, fourth hand stories, some made up, some not made up. It's hearsay. You know, like you said, Jesus was the only one in the. Who wrote this story?

[John Davis]

Who wrote this down?

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, who wrote this down?

[John Davis]

And here's another thing. The Bible literally says that Peter and John were illiterate.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that doesn't help us.

[John Davis]

How did John write that?

[Alex Ferrari]

And the thing is also that, you know, from my understanding, Yeshua never wrote anything down. He didn't have a doctrine.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

He didn't write down.

[John Davis]

And he still, in fact he was anti doctrine. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was anti dogma, he's anti all that stuff.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But then when you come up to a, a more recent master like Yogananda.

[John Davis]

He wrote the autobiography of a yogi.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, that's his words.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's not 400 other people trying to grab stories of his life putting it together.

[John Davis]

And you know, Joshua was a man who found his divinity, as was Yogananda.

[Alex Ferrari]

As everybody on this wall, everybody on.

[John Davis]

This wall, you know Swami Narayan, who I'm just a big fan of. When you, when you and Swami Narayan was also very recent in the historical context.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[John Davis]

You know, the Vakanam root was their interview of him in real time. But what I find interesting is that, is that finding the divinity is found in all of these religions and ideas, but all of them are talking about there is no doctrine, there is no dogma and what's happening now, I think personally, and I would never judge anybody for their beliefs, but I think a lot of the new age ideologies are just creating new doctrines and dogmas.

[Alex Ferrari]

I would agree with you. I Live in this space.

[John Davis]

Okay, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm sure I'm here all the time in the New Age space. And the 60s was when the New Age movement arguably started.

[John Davis]

That's when it came to its heyday. The word New Age comes from out of the Theosophical Society of the early 1900s.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. The theological. I guess you're right. The theological.

[John Davis]

Theosophical.

[Alex Ferrari]

Theosophical. I can never say properly.

[John Davis]

Yeah, I have that same problem.

[Alex Ferrari]

The Theosophical Society did start. They came up with a concept, the Ascended Master. They came up with a lot of things, but they.

[John Davis]

They. They reintroduced tarot. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

They int. They really were the source of the New Age movement. You're absolutely right. Thank you for correcting me. But the 60s is when they. A lot of people. Age of Aquarius, all this kind of stuff started coming out. Great, great, great song. And it started to kind of bubble up and. And then, you know, your sign and the zodiac and all this stuff been around forever, but it really started to get up there. But as I've noticed throughout the decades, 60s, 70s, 80s, I've been. I've been into this stuff since I was a kid, right. I've been studying this stuff. You know, all the classic guys. Classic in my world, at least, whether Deepak, Wayne Dyer.

[John Davis]

Yeah, I studied them all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Even Tony Robbins. It's not spiritual, but it was. You know what I mean?

[John Davis]

But there's a spiritual element to him.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's no question. I would love to have a spiritual conversation with Tony Robbins one day. I think that would be amazing.

[John Davis]

I'd like to talk to Jim Carrey myself.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jim's on my list. Jim's so on my list. I would love to talk to Jim and Matthew McConaughey. So in the New Age world, I've kind of seen it start to add its own dogmas into it. Like, you can't do this. You can't. So I get it from all angles. I get it from the. The dogmatic religions and people who are dogmatic about their belief system. And then I also have of. Of their religious belief systems. But then I'm also. I also get hit with comments from people who are dogmatic in the New Age.

[John Davis]

Oh. Oh, absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

In all aspects. That you can't say this, you can't do this, you can't do this. And the thing that I find fascinating about the whole picture is that everyone's ego has to say that we are the only way.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Where I'm always lead. All roads leap to Rome. Sorry. All roads lead to the same destination. You can't tell me that a billion Buddhists, a billion Hindus, and a billion Catholics are all the only way.

[John Davis]

Right? Right. Well, you know, I love that concept because I often say that a religion is like being on a train track. You will only see out the window of the track they chose to put you on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Right. But when you get above and you realize they're all on a track going to the same destination is when you start to realize that there is beauty in all of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's just different flavors of the same message.

[John Davis]

And the more you. It's funny because I did a study many years ago back in the in the early 2000s where I just started reading all of these ancient texts, the Bible, the Torah, the Quran and all of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

But I did something really interesting. I read it twice. Read them all twice. The first time I read it with what I call the love goggles on and I read the parts that were just lovely when I. And I started seeing all of the hater or the division, like in the Old Testament, you know, this town wiped out that town and God was with his army. That was all fear based. So I, I just stayed with the love. What do I read? The loving parts. I read the loving parts of all of them. They all say the same thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[John Davis]

Then you put the fear goggles on and you start reading from fear aspect. They all say something different. The fear is where the dogma lies. The fear is where it all comes from.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, dogma is fear.

[John Davis]

Dogma is fear.

[Alex Ferrari]

Dogma is fear.

[John Davis]

And the New Age movements are leaning into various dogmas as well. And one of the dogmas that they're leaning into right now is vegetarianism. And you have to be a vegetarian to be spiritual. There is no reason to be a vegetarian.

[Alex Ferrari]

Unless you want to be.

[John Davis]

Or unless you want to be. It's a choice. When you look at, I'm going to get out of spiritual energy for a slight second and bring it back to it. Einstein said that everything we're looking at in this room is atomic energy in motion.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[John Davis]

Over 90% of it is empty space and the other 5% is the energy in motion. So when we look at this wall of all these beautiful statues and things here, and that's all made of atoms, Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Everything is.

[John Davis]

But the air between us is atoms and so is our eyes. So this concept that we are one with God comes back to this idea that this energy around us is God. We are in the image of God. When you go back and you look at all of these texts from these perspectives and you come at it from the perspective that God is love and that fear can be overcome, like the Buddha said, what you find very quickly is that the world is made of love, made of this energy. And the fog of fear hides the room from us. But what Yeshua told you to do was to look down and realize your hand was on the knob of the fog machine. And you could turn it up or you could turn it down. Right. And that idea of fear. So if you talk about the teachings of Joshua, fear itself is only an emotional reaction to the present moment. But it's always an emotional reaction to your past experience or an expectation of something negative.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[John Davis]

So all it really is is letting go of the reaction in the moment. Reaction to fear, which is the fight or flight response. We suck a bunch of air into our lungs and we hold it to fight or fight, flight or fight. But when we allow ourselves to simply exhale and come back to that natural state. You know when you're outside on a cloudy day, the sun's still up there. Yes. The clouds obscure the view. The sun is God or the universe consciousness.

[Alex Ferrari]

At night, the sun is still up.

[John Davis]

Yes, exactly. It's always there. Right. In fact, the reason we see a moon is because the sun's shining on it. Right. So it comes down to it's fake.

[Alex Ferrari]

News, sir, but go ahead.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. What was it? What was I thinking?

[Alex Ferrari]

There is no moon. It's obviously a government and this is completely flat. I mean, come on. Oh, now you get all the comments are going to come in.

[John Davis]

I don't care.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sorry about the earth is flat. Obviously when I go outside, it looks straight.

[John Davis]

But anyway, anyway, but so, so, you know, Rome took these ideas of self empowerment and self divinity and said, well, I don't have any. Rome said, I don't have any power. If they have divine power within themselves. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's a problem.

[John Davis]

So they have to create the asset of fear. The fear of not getting to heaven, the fear of burning in hell, the fear of, of being ostracized by your community. I can't tell you how many, how many Mormons I've met in my life who are just beautiful, lovely people.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, they are. Agreed.

[John Davis]

But whenever you hear the story of them trying to leave that church.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, it's a terrible many on the show.

[John Davis]

It's a horrible, horrible thing. Right? That idea that it is the only way and our train is the only one you're allowed to ride and look out the window of that has created the division in the world. When the Christians said that Jeshua was the only way, they said the rest of the world was wrong.

[Alex Ferrari]

But Jeshua never said that.

[John Davis]

He never said that. And only 30% of the people in the world are Christian. The other 70% are all wrong.

[Alex Ferrari]

I was saying that when I was a kid.

[John Davis]

It's crazy.

[Alex Ferrari]

In Catholic school, I'm like, so wait a minute, I don't even know what Buddhism is at the time.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm like, I've heard of this Buddhist thing and there's like at least a billion, at least, if not more, and Hindus and then Hindus and Confucianism and, you know, Taoism.

[John Davis]

But you know, I think that we are, that we are moving into a more beautiful world because of the processes we've been going through. Yeah, absolutely. When you look at the Abrahamic line, you've got Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and then you have Baha'. I.

[Alex Ferrari]

What's Baha'.

[John Davis]

I. Baha' I comes out of Iran. Right. And let's check this out. So Judaism, when you read the Torah, there's all these horrific stories of vengeance.

[Alex Ferrari]

And is that basically the Old Testament? Is it exact?

[John Davis]

It's close. It's been altered because of Christianity and a lot of Christianity because of the concept of creating the prophecy of Jesus. They go back and retroactively change the Old Testament to prove it was him.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before you continue, would you agree that those two books have nothing to do.

[John Davis]

With each other, nothing to do with.

[Alex Ferrari]

Each other whatsoever, and the God that Jesus talks about has nothing to do with the apostles?

[John Davis]

Well, in the Old Testament it says God is vengeful and jealous. And the New Testament says God is love.

[Alex Ferrari]

So how this, like what? Go ahead.

[John Davis]

Yeah, so, yeah, exactly. What is the best way to answer that or to say that? So you look at Judaism, it's got all this war and anger and hate and division. Then you come into Christianity and they say God is love and he compassionate and the shepherd and all this stuff, but they say he is the only way. Then the next in the Abrahamic line is Islam. And Islam says that Jeshua was a prophet and that Muhammad is the next prophet and the last prophet. So he is the only way now. So now they've created these two divisions. They couldn't ignore Yeshua, they couldn't ignore him, and they believe he's going to return and they believe he's going to do everything said about him. And Islam actually says that both Jews, Christians, with Islam, they're all going to heaven because they're all praying to the same God. They actually say that. Right? Then you get into the Baha' I faith. And Baha' I faith to me is fascinating because Baha' I believes that Jeshua was a prophet, Muhammad was a prophet, but Buddha was a prophet and Krishna was a prophet. And it goes through all of these other texts saying that. But they believe Bahaullah is the prophet after Muhammad Bahaullah, the holy figure of the Baha' I faith. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And he's just another prophet.

[John Davis]

He's just the next prophet in line. Right. But they, what's interesting to me when I look at this from the, from the 3,000 mile back perspective, you've got this really hateful, vengeful sort of beginning and this inclusive, loving, beautiful experience. Now. It still has its dogma, it still has all its issues.

[Alex Ferrari]

And is he the only one as well?

[John Davis]

You know, I don't think so at the end because they do offer that Buddha and all These other are all prophets, that. There's lots of prophets, Prophets, Right. So I think it's a much more inclusive ideology, but there's still dogma. Zoroastrian.

[Alex Ferrari]

Zoroastrian is another prophet, another religion, Zoar.

[John Davis]

Right. So when you look at this shift, you're seeing this very fear based to much more loving at the other end of the Abrahamic line. You know, I think that the world is slowly becoming into a more beautiful place.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're becoming more conscious, much more conscious.

[John Davis]

But when you turn a ship at sea, a cargo ship full of stuff at sea, you turn the wheel and it takes miles for that front end to come around. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're not in a speedboat, but.

[John Davis]

Well, here's the cool thing. We turned the wheel a long time ago and we can prove right now that we are coming to a more lovely world. I met your beautiful daughter out here earlier. Lovely, beautiful, lovely girl. Very clear, very open, very, very honest. You could just see within her, she was like, I'm going to talk to whoever I want to talk to and she's just going to be here. And she was lovely. Right. She probably wasn't in any way, shape or form racist, homophobic, right? Because none of the kids coming up are. My son's 22 years old. He, from the time he was in kindergarten coming up, none of his class. No racism, no homophobia, no gender bias. They're all just.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're definitely made of different stuff than.

[John Davis]

We were because we turned the ship a long time ago. And they're the product of what we've told them, them.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they're. And their product is going to be even amazing.

[John Davis]

It's amazing, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's a slow process and that's what we're going through.

[John Davis]

And within that construct of their belief, there is no external power that can grab it and take it, which is what Rome did.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's why there's so much struggle right now.

[John Davis]

That's why there's so much.

[Alex Ferrari]

All these institutions, government institutions, medical media. Yeah, all, all of it is starting to crumble.

[John Davis]

And you notice when you watch it, they're all calling each other names and all this stuff, Right? Well, that's the definition of slander. Socrates said, when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Right? When the debate is lost, they know they're losing. That's why they're getting loud, that's why they're calling names, because they have nothing actually logical to say against love. Because love is logical, right? We all want to be loved in some form. We all want to live in a loving world and without the constructs and confines of the subjugation of a church or even a new age ideology. I was supposed to speak at another event soon and everything was all planned. We were all working towards it and I got an email a couple days ago that said, oh, I'm sorry, we can't have you speak because you won't promote vegetarianism and you won't promote Jesus being in a scene.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

And they literally told me I was no longer invited to their program because I wasn't going to teach their doctrines and dogs. And I was like, okay. My answer to them was okay. They're allowed to believe what they believe, John.

[Alex Ferrari]

Look, I've been vegetarian for 13 years. Yeah, vegan, vegetarian. I loosened up. I'm more vegetarian than anything. What did we tell you when my wife and I were telling you when you go to when you if you want to eat some really good meat.

[John Davis]

Yeah, you told me where to go.

[Alex Ferrari]

You got to go to Salt Lick.

[John Davis]

Right? Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's great Texas barbecue.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm not.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I promise you. When I started being a vegan, oh, I was a bad vegan.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, I'd be like, you need to change because you become a prophet of like, you know, you, you. I must convert everyone.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because my ego was like, this is the way. It was fascinating to see till I, through my years I started real. Like, I can't. This is not my place. Right. They have a path to walk. I have a path to walk.

[John Davis]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

It is just my choice to do so. And it's your choice.

[John Davis]

My next door neighbors, they're in their 80s. They're completely, completely plant based. Yeah. They thrive. Sure. I was a vegan for two years. Right. I was never sicker, weaker or colder.

[Alex Ferrari]

And for. Everybody is different.

[John Davis]

I think everybody's, everyone has different setups.

[Alex Ferrari]

To get down to that road.

[John Davis]

But right now, a lot of, a lot of the new age gurus are all pushing this, this vegan idea as a dogma. You have to be this.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've met so many mystical and spiritual people. I had a guru in the other day, as one does.

[John Davis]

He's an average Thursday, average Thursday here.

[Alex Ferrari]

At Next Level Soul. And he is, he is a walking master. He is a Yogananda esque style. I could feel his energy. It was a beautiful situation. I'm not sure if he is vegetarian. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if he is or if he isn't. I think we were talking about barbecue because we're in Texas. But it was, it was interesting. It's just an. And you're using this as an example of dogma in that it's the human ego that needs to be right.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like I am the most spiritualist, I'm the most spiritual.

[John Davis]

Right, Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm the most spiritual.

[John Davis]

I'm the humble meat. You can't be spiritual.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm the most humble.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm the humblest of the humble. Like that's, that's the ego behind it.

[John Davis]

And you know what, you know what's interesting about the ego? I think, I think that word has gotten a bum rap.

[Alex Ferrari]

I agree. We need the ego.

[John Davis]

Well, the, the ego, scientifically, when you look at the actual studies of philosophy and psychology, the ego only means that you're aware of your individual self. That's all it means. But within that construct of the awareness of your individual self, you have threat assessment. You know, what is going to hurt my individual self, what is going to harm my individual self. And so we come from this Process of defending ourselves prior to events because of fear and anxiety and stress. But, you know, when, when we, when my son was 6, he's now 22, like I said, he said, daddy, God told me he's in everything and everyone, and we control the God part inside of us. And I was like, wow, there's my little Yoda. Right? He. He said something so profound. And then later on in Hinduism, I discovered the concept of the God consciousness being the sit, and we are the sit Sat key. The individual sparks of consciousness. Sure, then. But that idea that this person over here who's eating something different than me isn't equal to me is antithetical to everything Joshua taught and everything that Yogananda taught and everything. And I'm sure Yogananda was a vegetarian.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was. To my understanding, he was.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't think he was always. But that's cultural, too.

[John Davis]

Yeah, it's cultural thing. But, you know, the thing is, I have met beautiful people in all religions and ideologies, and it's not about the method, the modality, doctrines, dogmas, or diets. It's about the love.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[John Davis]

Are you loving? Are you compassionate? Are you in the moment expressing love to some? Are you walking up to that lady who's having a hard time getting up in the curb and are you helping her on the curb? That is the expression of God in the world is to give love in that moment. Coming here today, I got off the exit off of Route 183 and there was a deaf man who was. Who had a sign up begging for money. I rolled down the window and handed him $50. Now people are going to say, well, he's going to try to drink that. I don't care what he does with it. I want him to have the experience of someone giving him $50 as opposed to 10 cents. I wanted them to have the experience of love and compassion in the now. And it doesn't matter what they do with it. It's a matter of looking them in the eye and saying, this is for you, and I hope you're better. That is delivering love. That is delivering God. And that's what the churches have all lost. And the churches do that because they have power, they have money. They have the best real estate in the country.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're the biggest real estate holders in the world.

[John Davis]

Yeah. I grew up in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, which is known as the nation's gay summer capital. It's three hours east of Washington, D.C. and all the alternate lifestyle, people had houses there, tons of gay bars. And when I was a young kid, all the rednecks used to go beat up the gay guys at the gay bars. And it was just a horrible. That town is so beautiful and loving now and compassionate. I go down see my brother play in his band. I go to all the gay bars and see him play. There's no even thought of it. But what's so interesting is the Catholic church had a multi million dollar mansion on the beach and all the priests used to come vacation there.

[Alex Ferrari]

Shocking.

[John Davis]

And I cannot tell you how many priests I've seen come out of gay bars with their boyfriends. And I don't care about how they love, I don't care who they love. I do care about the hypocrisy of saying other people can't. Right. That bothers me. But that's the church doctrine.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we touched on this. But I'd love to hear what you know about this subject. The King James. King James Bible is the one that we all look at now. It's the shot, it's the one that everyone is the book that everyone in the west at least reads. And it's the King James Version. I remember seeing the King James Version again, never connecting that there was a King James. I'm just dance that way. Who's King James and how did the version that comes up and then after that. Let's touch up the Dead Sea Scrolls when we're done.

[John Davis]

Okay, great. Yeah, yeah, great. Awesome. So King James was Shakespeare's patron, you know, Elizabeth.

[Alex Ferrari]

British.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah, Elizabeth was when Shakespeare was his heyday. When Elizabeth died, King James became the next successor, took on Shakespeare as his, as his, his artistic protege per se. That's why the King James Version has all of these thou's, those thou shalt nots and all that stuff. Because this is Elizabethan English. Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

That is the Elizabethan.

[John Davis]

Elizabethan English. So James was very much into the language of the time, which was Shakespeare and Bacon and all those sort of people. But when King James had that commissioned, what he was taking was the Bishop's Bible. There's one called the Bishop's Bible. He said, I want you to convert this from Latin into Elizabethan English, But I want you to take out anything that could be used against the monarchy. And so they stripped out anything that they could be used against the monarchy to take them out of power. So the King James Version is a poetic translation of a Latin book. That is a translation of Hebrew. Of Greek.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, Greek.

[John Davis]

Right. And Hebrew from the Old Testament especially. But each version had different changes, different constructs. And by the time it got to King James, it became the most altered version of the Bible. And right now there's a movement to come back to the original text.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, like the Ethiopian Bible is very different.

[John Davis]

Very different. Very different. And like, there's a scholar who I love to listen to named Dan McClellan, he's actually a Mormon, but he's, he's very strict about scholarly work and I love listening to him. But I listen to him and he talks about, well, the new standard version of the revised vision of this is the latest version of the Bible. The new standard revised version of the it's like this is the title. It just even in the title of it tells you that it's not anything close to the original.

[Alex Ferrari]

It seems to me that what you're explaining, the King James version of it, it's the one that has Red Flag 40 in it and all the other artificial preservatives and stuff like that. The chemicals.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's not organic. It's not healthy for you. It'll kill you slowly.

[John Davis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Just like bacon.

[John Davis]

But anyway, but just anyway, I love bacon. I can't argue that.

[Alex Ferrari]

I do. I do miss bacon.

[John Davis]

Of course you do, because bacon is meat candy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, exactly. But that's what it sounds like. It's like all this work, there's so much crap that they've put into it that dilutes the original meaning of what.

[John Davis]

Like I said, the Codex Sinaiticus had edits on every page. The text that they found, St. Catherine's Monastery. Every version has edits.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

And translating from Greek to Latin to English and German and French. And there might be a couple of things. A couple of things. There also might be a couple of scribes who, like, didn't like what that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thing said and, and back then.

[John Davis]

And they would just change it, right? And then you, you look at the, the concept of all these Gnostic and Coptic texts that didn't make it right. Gospel of Thomas. Well, the Gospel of Thomas, we were talking about vegetarian earlier. I just got to throw this in. Gospel of Thomas. A lot of the new age folks are really diving into this Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. They asked him in there what diet he should follow. He says, it's not what comes out. It goes into your mouth that defiles you. What comes out. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Great line.

[John Davis]

Great line. Right, Great line. But it's always, it comes back to this ideology that every version had its own version and every version had had simple changes. And even translating from one language to the other, you know, it's like right now they use the word messiah, right? Or, or Christ, they mean the same thing, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Christos.

[John Davis]

Well, they, those two words, Messiah and Christ have two different meanings. In ancient Hebrew, Messiah comes from the word meshiach, which means a king or a ruler, not a spiritual guide, not a spiritual leader or some savior that's coming, a mashiach, a ruler who's going to guide our people into a new future. Christ means the anointed one, right? Now, what's interesting is meshiach to become a king or a ruler. They anoint the king into the position. So both of these, the word Christ has become Messiah. The word original messiah was meshiach. So there's this transition from a king or a ruler to this spiritual deity. And the variation between the two is a struggle. And now because of the way we live our Christianity in the world, they lean into the latter. But the original was a king or a ruler. So there's a very variation there, right? And as it gets further and further down the line, all the way up To King James. Now he's talking about Christ, but he's saying it with the these and the vowels and the pretty words.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it's interesting that when people are confronted with information like this, you know, as Catholics, because you and I speak from a place of where we knew.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you were confronted with facts that are facts. These are historical facts. Not hearsay. But some of this historical facts. Everything we're talking about from the Council of Nicaea, this is all known, documented. Yeah. This is not fake news. This is not made up. This is documented stuff. They have to rationalize that it can't be true, because if they even admit to the potentiality of it being somewhat true, it rocks the foundation that they built their entire identity on.

[John Davis]

And they're stuck in a time period where those things were condemned. That's why, you know, for every day I get my comments on my. On my YouTube channel.

[Alex Ferrari]

Must be fun.

[John Davis]

Oh, but you know what? For every one negative one, I get 500 beautiful ones.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah, agreed.

[John Davis]

Right, right. But the negative ones use the words heresy, heretic, blasphemy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Hell, yeah.

[John Davis]

All of those three that I just said are medieval words.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing.

[John Davis]

Heresy, blasphemy, and blasphemy, heresy. And, oh, he also. They also call him the Antichrist, obviously. Heresy, blasphemy. First of all, to roll back the tape.

[Alex Ferrari]

First of all, to call you the Antichrist is giving you a hell. Hell of a lot of power there.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, that means you are the dude.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

The one that they spoke.

[John Davis]

I know. Isn't that crazy? They call me a false prophet, a false teacher.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you're.

[John Davis]

But. But here's the interesting thing about those things. False prophet, false teacher. First of all, I don't prophesy. I never tell you the future because I think everything is in the now. And a false teacher to be a false teacher means I'm not teaching what you want me to teach. Right. Because.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because for the people who you are listening to what you like, it's what they want to hear.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or they want. Or they're interested in. To learn.

[John Davis]

And. And one of the. One of the comments I got one time, and it's very interesting, I had a Jehovah's Witness come on and leave me a message. And he was like, I think you seem like a very nice guy. You seem like a very kind guy, John, but I would be wrong if I didn't try to save you and bring you back to Jesus.

[Alex Ferrari]

Obviously. To Jesus.

[John Davis]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

To his Jesus.

[John Davis]

Right, right, right. But then he said, I know I'm probably going to be crucified on your channel for saying this. And I came back and I said, if someone crucifies you on my channel for saying this, they will be banned from my channel because you are obviously coming from a loving place, trying to save me into your belief system. The key. And you started with compliments, so you were obviously being loving in the moment. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

But he can't. He cannot.

[John Davis]

And it doesn't matter what he believes because, you know, spirituality is a personal journey.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[John Davis]

As long as he's delivering love. The book of Matthew says, you shall know them by their fruit. Right. I have one video on my. On my recovering Catholic channel right now. The title of the video is Catholicism is the Deadliest Religion in the World.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, that. I'm sure that got a couple.

[John Davis]

Oh, my God. It was great. The next, because I was showing the historical statistics of all religions and what deaths are attributed to them. Absolutely right. And you look at the Bible itself. You know, there's two people who killed people religiously in the Bible. One of them killed 10 people and one of them killed 2 million. Satan killed 10, God killed 2 million. So this idea of. So I'll put this out. I had to stop all comments on that video, of course. Oh, God. And if you go to that video now, it's. It says because of the abuse of foul language and hate speech, you know, comments by, by people who say they follow Jesus. Right. I, I am holding back on the comments on this. Stopping the comments on this video. I cannot tell you the people who claim to follow Joshua or Jesus, who will, Will tell me I'm burning in hell, who will call me a son of a. Whatever, you know, and they'll, they'll say these horrific, hateful things and sometimes I'll get a little ornery and I'll say, yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what Joshua would have said. Right. Or something like that. But to me, it's like if you can't accept that that 70% of the world who doesn't believe the same as you, you know, is. Is still can be loving people, then I, I don't think you understand what God really is.

[Alex Ferrari]

I think also too, that people who don't travel, people who don't travel and stay in their own town, their own country for their entirety of their life and don't travel outside to different worlds and different cultures.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Are not only. I think, personally I love traveling and I love being. I love seeing new cultures. I love seeing that Stuff and I love going to new countries and seeing how they do things and yeah, yeah, all that stuff. Like I'm obsessed with this one social media account that's all about things in Japan and I'm like, what? It's like the stuff that they come up with, the technologies, you're like, what is this?

[John Davis]

Amazing, amazing, amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

But because when you travel and you've traveled the world multiple times as a carny or as a Rennie.

[John Davis]

As a USO performer.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. You start to see other people. And what I've come to, to realize by traveling as much as I have is that everyone just wants to be loved. They just want to live peacefully, they want to be prosperous, that that's it, they're just good people. Just because you don't believe the exact same story and this is all it's about is a story that you believe. It's a, it's a movie. It's essentially the Trekkies versus the Star wars guys. That's all it is. I believe that.

[John Davis]

Serious dog.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean now the comments are gonna go crazy. It's like Yoda is the way. As opposed to. No, Captain Kirk is the way. You know, Roddenberry is the way. It's just two different stories that we believe.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I can appreciate Trek, I can appreciate the things and I do. I'm a fan.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I'm not a devotee like so many.

[John Davis]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I like Star wars, but that's the one that rang true for me. I'm using this as a very loose pop culture example. DC or Marvel, I mean it's all relative.

[John Davis]

I find it really fascinating you brought this up because yesterday I got an email from someone who wants me to write an article for sci fi.net okay. To bringing spirituality through sci fi and superheroes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Perfect.

[John Davis]

Now the reason they wanted me is because I talk about that in my videos. But I love what you said about you travel the world. You know, I find the people who don't leave their hundred square miles are the most close minded because they haven't had the experience of others. You said I've traveled. I've been to 30 countries, 32 states. In all the countries I went to, I asked a very specific question. I said, what's most important to you? I never heard one say their religion. I never heard one say their job. I never heard one say the number one answer is always the family. Yeah, but what is the family? The family is the, the physical representation of love on earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[John Davis]

And so to them, all of them, all of them are about love and compassion. When I went through all the Middle Eastern countries and I mean I was all over the Middle east and I found beautiful, loving people everywhere. Everywhere. I also found buttheads.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, but you found buttheads everywhere.

[John Davis]

I found buttheads everywhere. Right, right. Everywhere. And some of the butt heads are the ones who are the ones who didn't travel out of their little hundred miles out of their little hundred miles because they believe this is what their world is. They are living on the flat earth because their flat earth is only 100 miles. Wild, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

And so they are living in that experience of not going out and experiencing the world. And when you get out of your circle and you get out and you start experiencing that all humans are humans and they all have one thing in common. They all want to be loved and to give love. That's the only thing that matters. Jeshua's way was simple. It wasn't the dogmas of the church and the religions and the Bibles and the don't mess with my monarchy stuff. It was the Love one Another, his final word. I leave you one commandment. Love one another. I am the fulfillment of prophecy. Which means set Abraham down and just be love. That's what he taught. And religions will take that away from you because that means that the power is within you. And it can't have that because any.

[Alex Ferrari]

Organization wants to retain its power.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

All of them, across every aspect of human life. I heard some one day somebody says, like if tomorrow morning we discover that if we get a bowl of warm water, put a little bit of Himalayan salt in it and a drop of lemon and you put your finger in that and that cures cancer. Let's say that is real.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That will be completely dismissed, demonized and thrown out because of the billions and billions of dollars based in that, in that industry that, that treats cancer. Because the money's not in curing cancer.

[John Davis]

Right, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's in treating it. You know, it's fascinating, but that goes along everything.

[John Davis]

So what I love about that, that analogy is that they are, they are profiting from their asset. And their asset is not the product, it's the fear.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[John Davis]

So they're, they're profiting from that. You brought up cancer. About seven years ago, I was making swords for Cirque du Soleil. I was making pirate aluminum cutlasses and about 100 swords in. I started not feeling well. And I went to the doctor and they informed me that my lungs were filled with spots. And they told me, john, we have to go in and we have to do biopsies and procedures, but before we can put you under, you've got to lose some weight. So they put me on a 500 calorie restricted liquid diet for three months. And I said, well, he said, and then we're going to do these, these procedures. I said, okay, doc, here's what we're going to do. I said, I'll go on the diet because obviously I need to lose weight. Right. But in three months we're not going to do these procedures. They go, what do you mean? I said, in three months we're going to do these tests again and then we're going to make decisions about procedures. And I said, okay. So I went home, I stopped making swords because the reason I had spots in my lungs was because they're toxic aluminum dust. Of course I stopped making swords. I got up in the morning, I said, thank you, God, for the perfect lungs. I am receiving Amen now. What I just said is a Completely present moment statement. When you thank for something, it's because you believe it's happening in the now. Thank you, God consciousness, yada, yada. I don't care what you call it. I call it God. Mom was Catholic. Thank you, God, for the perfect lungs. The exact thing I'm creating in the present moment. I am present moment declaration. Also the name of God, according to Moses. Right. I am receiving. Present moment action not received or will receive, but receiving. And then I ended it all with amen. And amen means so be. It means right here, right now, it's done. So everything I said was present moment. Next morning, I got up and I took a walk in the park. And as I walked through the park, I said, I am receiving. I am receiving perfect lungs. And I just breathe deep. At three months, I went back, there was not a single spot in my lungs.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what'd they say?

[John Davis]

They were like, oh, what did you do? And I just told. I told them exactly that. I said our reality comes from our belief about the present moment.

[Alex Ferrari]

But the key part there is that you still went to a doctor to get yourself.

[John Davis]

I did, I did, yeah. Yeah. Because I didn't know. I knew I didn't feel well. And I know I didn't understand what was not going well. I went to a doctor. Right. And I. And I would still go to a doctor if something else happened today.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. You're not going to just, you know, talk about it in your head, right?

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

As we all get older.

[John Davis]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

The wheels start wiggle.

[John Davis]

Well, you know, I truly believe that the first lines of the Book of John. Once again, Book of John.

[Alex Ferrari]

The best book of all. The best book of all.

[John Davis]

Obviously, it starts out in the beginning. It's the Word. The Word was with God. The Word was God. Your words, your thoughts, your beliefs, which are all present moment, go out to the source. The source reflects those words, thoughts and beliefs in the image around you. And we are created in God's image, which is right in the Bible. So it always comes back to, what is your faith? You know, once again, the translation of faith. In Christianity, faith means faith in Jesus. But the word means belief.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let me ask you this, John. This is another part of the Christian dogma that just never made sense to me. Because it's the Old Testament and the New Testament, because they jammed these two books together because apparently they needed to fill it out. You couldn't sell just New Testament. They had to put the Old Testament it. For whatever reason, the concept that God. That God and Jesus. So Jesus is The Son of God.

[John Davis]

Right, Right. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But then he's referred to as God, which never made sense to me.

[John Davis]

Right. And it should.

[Alex Ferrari]

As a kid, I was like, wait, wait, wait. There's a father. Because God forbid there be a mother, but there's a father.

[John Davis]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

The Father Almighty.

[John Davis]

Right, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then he is the son of. Of this father, right? Yeah, but yet we call Jesus God. Well, what about the dude, this other dude?

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I never. It just. It made no logical sense.

[John Davis]

And it shouldn't make logical sense to you. In the Bible, in the. The ancient text, he never refers to himself as the Son of God. He always refers to him as the Son of Man, meaning that he's a human, just like you and I. Right. This concept of the. He says in the Bible, the Father and I are one, but no one ever goes on and finishes the statement, because the Father and I are one, and you must become one with me as I am with the Father. He's literally saying, we're all one with God. We're all part of. We're all sparks. He's saying the same things the Hindus are saying. And what's interesting about it is that this construct of the God outside of us, the external God, is based in the Old Testament ideologies of a patriarchal God, a male patriarchal God. Right. The Father and I. Why didn't they say Mother? Because it was a patriarchal time. It's a historical throwback to a time of patriarchy in reality, when it went further and it got to the Trinity. Now people go, the Trinity? That's biblical. Nope. Third century. Third century invention by a theologian. Right. But I like the Trinity because Father, Son, Holy Spirit, the God Consciousness, the Sun, Consciousness, Earth. Well, I don't even think of it as earth that way. I think of it more as Itzhak Parnas talked about the idea of our consciousness. You have the physical world consciousness, and you're aware of your physical identity. Then there's this next broader awareness of consciousness where we're aware of the people around us and we start to get intuitions and we start to finish people's sentences. And then there's a broader one where we get out to even more people and this awareness and levels of consciousness. The Father, the Sit in Hinduism, the God consciousness, the sun, the Sit, Sat Ki, the individual spark of consciousness, then. But the lowest form of this awareness, we don't feel divine, we feel separate, we feel alone, and we don't feel that connection. Then there's the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our higher Self. It's our divine consciousness that's aware of the God consciousness and aware of our physical world consciousness. And this is where our intuition comes from that now I'm going to turn right rather than left comes from because we're getting trickles of this divine consciousness that is our holy Spirit consciousness or higher self consciousness. So I think it really, what it is is levels of consciousness. Right. And then to. For an ancient mind to try to extrapolate that, they break it down to three. Of course there's this God thing out here that we have to pray to. There's this physical world stuff. But if you go back to the Psalms, the most famous psalm in history, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for thou art with me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, Pulp Fiction. Yeah, yeah, sorry.

[John Davis]

To me it's one of the most profound because if you think about it, from the levels of consciousness, I'm going down into a valley where death is a possibility. Yeah, right. It's not the valley of death, it's the valley of the shadow of death, the illusion that we can die. So we're coming down into this lower, lower thing and it literally says, you don't need to fear because love is always with you. So it's literally talking about this level of consciousness where when we're in this valley, we can't see the peak, but the peak is always with us.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now we, I wanted to talk about before we finish up, two things. One, Dead Sea Scrolls.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then hell.

[John Davis]

Okay, small things.

[Alex Ferrari]

So Dead Sea Scrolls. I remember in the 80s and 90s, Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in the 50s.

[John Davis]

1956. 1946.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. So like late 40s? Early. Yeah, late 40s. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. So, but then I heard that the Catholic Church went in. We can't have this. And they kept it behind closed doors for decades until something happened that someone opened it up.

[John Davis]

Yeah, I don't know that story.

[Alex Ferrari]

But according to what I understood, they kept it quiet. But then they got released out of pressure. They finally released it for the historians to be able to read it. Because I discovered when I was in Italy that if anything is discovered that is of Christian descent, the Catholic Church comes in and automatically owns it.

[John Davis]

Right, Right. Because the Catholic means universal means it's ours.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's ours. And they come, they'll go in and like for the queen, like a kind of thing. It's, it's.

[John Davis]

They plant their flag and very else can go Tez.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very, very Cortez. Very Cortez esque. So then they came out. But the Dead Sea Scrolls talk a lot about different things that are in the Bible. Well, and it was a problem for them.

[John Davis]

Well, it's actually, actually, actually what's interesting is the Dead Sea Scrolls. Okay. So I'm going to get into some new age ideologies. Okay, look where you are, sir. Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

So.

[John Davis]

So right now everyone's claiming that the Dead Sea Scrolls are about this mystical sect called the Essenes in the time period, to say in a scene is like saying Pharisee or sadness. It's just another Judaic sect. The Dead Sea Scrolls are nothing but books of the Torah. Right. They don't mention Jeshua, they don't mention vegetarianism, they don't mention anything else. What's happening now? And once again, this goes back to the Theosophical Society ideas is there were a couple of people. One was Reverend Owsley who wrote the Gospel of the Holy Twelve as a series of newspaper articles where he was marrying Theosophical Society into the New Testament. And that he said he pushed Vegetarianism and all those things that those texts came out between 1894 and 1903 as a series of newspaper articles. There is no Gospel of the Holy 12. It was never shown. There was never. He claimed he found it in a Tibetan monk as a. From a Tibetan monastery. Right. But he never let anybody see it. It was all him putting that stuff. Then later on, Edmond Gia Kelly wrote the Essene Gospel of Peace. Now a lot of New Age teachers are leaning into the Essene Gospel of Peace, right? Now, the problem is Edmund Giacchili claimed he found two versions of that, one being in the Vatican library, one being in another library of the time. I forget the name of it. It's in one of my videos. But he never showed pictures of it, never showed drawings of it, never showed any proof that it ever existed. Both the Vatican and the other place say it doesn't exist. But the Essene Gospel Peace is filled with this esoterica of the Essenes that all match the Theosophical Society teachings for some reason, including vegetarianism, everything else. No scholar takes either one of them seriously. No scholar believes they are written by the Essenes because they know that these two people would never show the original text. And modern New Age gurus are leaning into these as fact and truth as the Essenes. But even the Dead Sea scrolls are not 100% known to be Essene. They are known to be of a Judaic sect who were into ritual bathing. And then they lean into the Edgar Cayce stuff, Right? Edgar Cayce said that scrolls will be found near the Dead sea in the 1940s.

[Alex Ferrari]

He said that, and a few years later it was.

[John Davis]

And then he died in 45 and they were found in 46. But he didn't say it was the Essenes at that time. He mentioned the Essenes in earlier writings, but he said they were an elusive sect who were trying to prepare for the Messiah. He never said Jesus. He never said vegetarianism, never said healing. He never said esoterica. He said that they were a Judaic section, just like the Pharisees or the Sadducees. Yeshua clearly said before, Abraham was I am, which means he wasn't part of the Judaic belief system. And so for him to be any of those would be antithetical to what he was saying. Also, Joshua talked love and peace. Would you agree? You totally agree. First, armed conflict against Rome was led by John the Essene. Kind of a little mess up there, right? Yeah. Well, there's the Crusades, but yeah, there's that too. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's a little thing I never made sense either that doesn't make sense.

[John Davis]

So. So to me, you know, people can believe all they want. They're allowed to. I will always go back and research everything that I, that I'm talking about, because I want to know. And I did the research.

[Alex Ferrari]

But John, the thing is too, like, I'm sure you've been there, but like, when you stand in the Vatican and you look around, I remember when I did that, I just sat there and I just said, this has nothing to do with Jesus.

[John Davis]

Nothing to do with him.

[Alex Ferrari]

This, this pomp and circumstance. Black smoke, white smoke. I mean, the, the outfits. I mean, this has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

[John Davis]

Jesse. Jeshua never said, go to a church on Sunday. Jesua never said, you, you must eat my body and blood.

[Alex Ferrari]

That'd be weird.

[John Davis]

Yeah, that'd be really weird, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Even in those days.

[John Davis]

And the construct of, what's it called? Sub transiation, where the church says, when we say it's the blood and body of Christ, it is, period. You have to believe it.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's wine and some really tasty bread.

[John Davis]

But if you go back, well, tasty, subjective.

[Alex Ferrari]

Hey, listen, I remember the taste of the Holy. The wafer.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I always want. As a kid, I'm like, can we just buy those?

[John Davis]

Those are tasty. You must have had a good, good.

[Alex Ferrari]

I had a good batch.

[John Davis]

Ours tasted like melting cardboard.

[Alex Ferrari]

Mine did too. But it was the 80s.

[John Davis]

But you, like, it was the 80s.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it was a different world.

[John Davis]

The age of padded shoulders. But the, the thing about him, you know, he never, he never said, you know, if he was a Jewish man, the Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[John Davis]

Right. That gets changed. So he never said all of these theologies that happened hundreds of years later. But what did he say? Love one another. Go out in the streets and help that person up. Right. Keeping your mind in the present moment of love and expressing it had nothing to do with the doctrines and dogmas, the diets, all the stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

What I find fascinating too is that his message, his energy, what he was able to do to humanity has been able to survive in one shape or form, the essence, the true essence of it, beyond all of the crap that's been thrown on this poor man's shoulders. You know, Buddha didn't get that. You know, Krishna didn't get that. They have other stresses, but not this like it was. It's pretty fascinating to see where this, how, how his story and how his teachings have been completely create like Changed.

[John Davis]

Yeah. One.

[Alex Ferrari]

And tell me what you know about this. The God, when is it the Rapture? The Rapture.

[John Davis]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love the Rapture. I think it's fantastic. It's a great story. It's a great add on to the end. It really solidifies that we're the only way.

[John Davis]

Well, sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, it solidifies it in a way. Like if you don't believe one day the Rapture will come and all non believers will be left here on earth and all us believers will be taken up.

[John Davis]

Crazy, isn't it?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's great.

[John Davis]

We have 8 billion people in the world, 144,000.

[Alex Ferrari]

How many Catholics?

[John Davis]

Right, right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I mean, you got to be like the best of the best of the best.

[John Davis]

The best of the best.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like the NBA.

[John Davis]

And you think about this. I love that you ask how many Catholics, because 30% of the world are Christian.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[John Davis]

20% of those are Catholic. Less than half of those are practicing Catholics.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[John Davis]

So my numbers are pretty good to get in, I think. Right. I had someone tell me he's going to try to save me so I could be Raptured. I said, okay, but I'm going to take your seat because if there's only 144,000, there's only so many that they can take. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

See, that was a mistake in the storytelling.

[John Davis]

Evangelicals, Methodists, Baptists all grabbed ahold of it because what better way to keep your people in line than to tell them they have to start being good to be 144,000. One of the 144,000. Now, of course, going into what you were saying, evangelical teachings are all about marketing. Oh, they're marketing the Rapture and everything else. That's what the Left behind series is all about. That. So now can I kind of shift this a little bit, please? The New Age has its own version.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. By the way, before we switch into the New Age, how did the Rapture get. Is it in any Bible?

[John Davis]

It's not in the Bible.

[Alex Ferrari]

There is no Bible.

[John Davis]

There's no.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's no. The King James doesn't have the Rapture. So who. So it's just something that people talk about. There's no proof of any of it.

[John Davis]

Not in the Bible anywhere. There's a mention of the word tribulation, which is when they say the Rapture is supposed to happen. There's no event called the Rapture in the Bible at all. So it's completely complete bs. And it was made up by John Nelson Darby. They know exactly who did it. The guy who actually created it was Minister John Nelson Darby.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[John Davis]

In 1830. 1830. That's not that long ago, really. Not at all. Not at all.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, so the new age.

[John Davis]

The new age has, has its own version and they call it the 5D.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah. The fifth dimension.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Of course, we're all into 5D because we're all supposed to evolve and bring ourselves up to be part of the 5D. And what's happening now, you can see how this, this new age rapture idea of the 5D is falling apart.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[John Davis]

Because now what you're finding is, you're finding people are saying, I've already ascended to the 5D and they start preaching and teaching that they're already there. Right. So that's, that's the same thing the evangelicals did with the rapture. I've already come to the point where I know that I'm being raptured. So I'm here to save you. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John Davis]

Here's the, here's the. Here's something That I think everyone should consider. All of the spiritual teachers of old talked about being present. Right. Most of the religions are based in 2000 years old stuff in our past. Right. Or prophecies of the future. The majority of the new age teachers are talking about the things that were hidden from us in our past or this ascension that's going to happen to us in our future. Neither one of them is in the I am moment. Neither one of them is in the present. Neither one of them is actually creating their divinity in the now. They're giving you methods, modalities, techniques, and dogmas to reach this ascension or to go back and find some hidden truth that has been taken from them now.

[Alex Ferrari]

With the whole 5D thing. Because it's something that we've talked about a lot on the show.

[John Davis]

Like I said, I'm not dissing someone's belief in it.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, no, no, no.

[John Davis]

My truth is my truth and I only speak my truth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. And no problem with that. But the whole concept of the 5D, which people are like, we're in third. We're in the third dimensional world now and that we're going to evolve to the 5D. I do believe that we are evolving. They just put a name on it.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That there's multiple timelines that, you know, the 5D people will be like.

[John Davis]

It's.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's. The way you presented the 5D idea is a little bit more dogmatic than what I look at it as.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is very. Kind of like we're all evolving.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm not better or worse than you.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm. I either am a few steps ahead. I'm definitely a few steps back.

[John Davis]

But you, you are. You are an anomaly within that group from my perspective.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay.

[John Davis]

Because I have 5D people coming at me hard all the time. Just. Just like Christians.

[Alex Ferrari]

Really?

[John Davis]

Just like Christians.

[Alex Ferrari]

We just like Yeshua would.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Well. And the thing, the thing is I look at it from the perspective of if they're focused on this ascension in the future. You know, Gandhi said, be the change you want to see in the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[John Davis]

You can only be it in the now. It's the only moment you're ever conscious. You know, I. There's an analogy that I love that I use all the time when I'm talking to someone in my private sessions. I talk about, you know, imagine you have a boat and you anchor the boat in the middle of a river. Now, that boat is stationary because it's anchored, but the water's flowing past the boat, behind the boat. There's a wake, there's a swirl, there's motion in the water because of the boat. But 100ft in front of the boat, there's no shape in the water whatsoever, just a bunch of water. And that water comes to the boat and it hits the bow of the boat and it parts and it creates. It creates the shape of the boat in the river. Okay, now you're in your boat, I'm in my boat. Everybody's in their own boat. The water is the substance of the universe that all of our experiences play out in the motion of the water coming towards the boat is how time works. It's coming to us. We're not traveling through it. And that's easy to prove because your past is just a collection of present moment memories, and your future is just a place where you're setting goals for your next present moment. But every experience of your life will happen in your present moment and has happened in your present moment. So that means you only are in this one moment, this one moment of consciousness. And the experience is coming to you like the energy coming to your illusion of your experience. Now, the majority of the people I talk to think they're in a sinking dinghy, bucketing out the water, trying not to go under.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a lot of fear.

[John Davis]

Right. I think I'm on the deck of a three masked schooner sipping a margarita. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because you've evolved, sir. Well, you are in the 5D, sir.

[John Davis]

Well, I love. I love that because I chose it. Right? Yeah. Your present moment choice of belief is going to create your experience. If you know a negative person, they are incredibly good creators. They believe the world's negative, so they see a negative world because that's what they're creating around them.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, that's irrelevant to any other dogma.

[John Davis]

Any other Dogma.

[Alex Ferrari]

Any other rapture. 5D. All of it's fascinating. And I don't disagree with the evolution of humanity and evolution of consciousness. I don't disagree with that. I think that's happening. We've seen it happen in our lifetime. Right from when you were born to where we are now.

[John Davis]

Like I said about our kids, our kids having more beautiful future.

[Alex Ferrari]

So putting a name on it, that's fine. If that, if you want to do 5D, great. It's all. But I don't believe it. If it's used in a way to separate yourself from somebody else. That's when I disagree. Yeah, it's just an idea. It's just a place where we all evolve.

[John Davis]

And when you hear some of these teachers say, I'm already in the five day. That's defying themselves, right. That's putting themselves on a pedestal. And I get a lot of that. People say, I'm already in the five day. Right. I've got. Have a lot of people who say, that's because you're not there yet. That's why you believe that, John.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're all just trying to figure it out, John.

[John Davis]

I agree. And see, the thing is, I go back to my first regression where I said, it's so simple, we have a hard time comprehending it. Right. I measure everything against simplicity. And once they start saying dimensions and. And, you know, alien contact and all the blah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Hey, when it happens, when it happens, it happens.

[John Davis]

Do I believe that there could be aliens in the universe? Of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, everything's possible. Logically. Logically, there's a trillion planets out there. We're the only ones.

[John Davis]

Right? Right. And to me, it's. You know, I had someone talk about the big bang theory to me one time.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a great show.

[John Davis]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Fantastic show.

[John Davis]

But I said. I said, did you. I said, but, you know, that's. That's still just a theory, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's absolutely.

[John Davis]

And they go, no, it's not. I go, then why does it say theory at the end? Right. I said. I said, can I ask you a question? Yeah. I said, what will happen if you discover that the universe is expanding because we keep thinking bigger thoughts? He blew his mind. Right? It blew his mind.

[Alex Ferrari]

We're all trying to figure out this matrix that we're all living in.

[John Davis]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's all it is.

[John Davis]

And I look at it from the perspective of if my beautiful present moment is loving and caring and joyful. I came here today into your studio, and I met a beauty, your beautiful wife, and your. And your child. And we laughed, we joked, we talked stories, we shared our geek stuff about cameras and stuff. We had just a lovely moment. Right. That is the expression of love and living that moment that simply to me, is the way of Joshua. He just loved and he listened and he heard and he truly expressed what.

[Alex Ferrari]

I think that is happening with everyone on this wall and many masters who've walked this earth, this plane before is. We are all dropped in this experience. And it's kind of like we're all scared little children because we have the. We have the delusion that we are disconnected from everything.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we're terrified. This entire incarnation, this entire reality is to overcome fear.

[John Davis]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

To learn truth of who we are truly and where we are where we are truly and where we live truly, that this is an experience.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And we have to overcome because number one thing everyone on this planet has to overcome is fear in one way, shape or exactly every single.

[John Davis]

And fear is the illusion of love's absence.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct. And then there's always somebody. Always somebody who will stand up and go, I know the way.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And when you're terrified, I'm like, I want to give him the power.

[John Davis]

Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's usually a him. I'll give him the power because if anything goes wrong, I can blame him.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I don't have to blame myself.

[John Davis]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Where Joshua, Buddha, Krishna, all of them said, the responsibility is within you.

[John Davis]

Within you. The kingdom of heaven is within you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everything is within you. But then that's scary for. Especially if you have certain dogmas, certain training, certain programming that you raised with. Then you're like, wait a minute. If it's.

[John Davis]

If I'm.

[Alex Ferrari]

If I'm God, then, oh, that's too much pressure. And I'm like, but. And they start looking for something, whether it's a dogmatic idea, a New age idea, a religious idea, whatever. They need to grab onto something to build their reality around. It's the rarity to see a soul walk through this experience, being open to everything.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And trying to grab. That's where we have to be.

[John Davis]

And my friend, I'm going to compliment you on your platform because that is exactly what your platform does. It puts various truths in front of an audience for them to pick and choose from. You know, I often say on my channel, I only speak my truth, but I would never judge you for your truth unless your truth is harming another. Right. But that's. To me, that's the only thing. If you're harming somebody else, I'm going to speak up, I'm going to say something. But if you. If you believe, like my friend Lesik, and I'm going to throw his name out so he'll feel good about being on your channel. Hello, Lesik. He is one of the most beautiful people you'll ever meet. He's always smiling. He's always joyful. You see him and you smile the second you meet him. He is so deeply into the law of one material, which to me is far too complex. It's much more complex. I think it's all far simpler.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[John Davis]

But Leshek is so beautiful, so caring, so loving. I think he found his way.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's his. That's his thing.

[John Davis]

That's his thing. And I think that when I went to Egypt and I met amazing Muslim people who are just beautiful and loving and caring and treated me like a family member, but that's the story they.

[Alex Ferrari]

Held onto to make sense of this world.

[John Davis]

Yes, yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Everyone grabs onto the story. And by the way, they were probably grabbed onto that story because they were born into that story.

[John Davis]

They were born into that story. Right? And, and what I find fascinating about your story and my story and a lot of Catholic stories is from a young age we start questioning this doesn't make sense because our truth is showing itself. Our truth is. And we get knocked down for our truth. You know, we say we can't, you know. Well, but that makes doesn't make any sense. You know, George Carlin said, George Carlin said, he said is God is all powerful. Can he make a rock that he himself cannot lift? Right. It's like head blown, but head blown, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I heard the other day and we're gonna go geek here for a second Josh Brolin was on the talk show and he was talking about going to cons. And you and I have been to a con or two, I'm sure a comic book con or something like that over the years. And he goes, you know, it's not the most pleasant thing for me, for him. And he was talking to other people like, oh, I love the fans. I think the fans are really cool. He goes, but, but these fans, they come up and they said, hey, Josh, I'm gonna do it in my Simpsons comic book voice. So if you're talking about if you were klanos, if you were Thanos, and you could snap your fingers to wipe out half the universe, you could also snap your fingers to double all the resources in the universe, which is his reasoning for snapping.

[John Davis]

Mind blown. Right? Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's a plot hole. Yeah, we forgot about it.

[John Davis]

We don't think about it.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there's so many plot holes.

[John Davis]

There's so many plot holes. So many plot holes. And you know, it's, it's, it's the concept of, of one story being the right one. The plot holes always show up, but when you step back and you look at the what's consistent in all the stories, that's where you find truth.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's what I try to do.

[John Davis]

Yeah. And that's exactly what your channel does.

[Alex Ferrari]

I love to talk to everybody about every kind of walk of life and learn new things about every. But the one thing that I have a unique perspective on is I have the ability to now look at hundreds of stories, hundreds of id, ideologies, and I start to see the patterns.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you study like that and you start seeing the patterns. Oh, they're just saying this, but just with a different flavor and this and that.

[John Davis]

And labels are confining very much so. They're the boundaries of limitation of belief.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before we go, I just want to hear your take on. On hell, sir. On hell? Yes. Because it's one of my favorite things as a Catholic to talk about. Because in first grade I was told that there was a hell and I went home crying.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because imagine telling a five year old, a six year old, that if you eat meat on Friday, it's got you done.

[John Davis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then later on I'm like, so you mean that if I eat meat, I go to hell and if I kill somebody, I go to hell, Something I get plot hole. Right issue. So I've loved to kind of demystify this whole idea of hell.

[John Davis]

Sure.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because there is no hell in the old Testament.

[John Davis]

There is no hell in the Old Testament. There's only Sheol.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Which basically means you just go into.

[John Davis]

Well, there's two different version of what it means. One of it is just the place where dead people go. Right. And the other one is a hole in the ground, like a grave.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. You just kind of like, yeah, you're.

[John Davis]

Going to a grave.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's it. That's the end of it.

[John Davis]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah. There's no, there's. Is there heaven?

[John Davis]

I do not believe so. There is, there is no eternal reward or punishment in Judaism. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is surprising. There's a lot of punishment.

[John Davis]

A lot of punishment.

[Alex Ferrari]

A lot in that Old Testament, but.

[John Davis]

It'S not, there's an eternal damnation ideology that came later, that came with Christianity.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because they needed more.

[John Davis]

They needed more oomph. Right, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because there is no, to my understanding, there is no like Vatican City for Judaism back in the old. Like there wasn't a centralized.

[John Davis]

Judaism is a people.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct, Exactly.

[John Davis]

Right. Well, so let's talk about it. Let's talk about hell first. Okay. The construct of hell in Jeshua's time had nothing to do with the, the construct of hell of Christianity today.

[Alex Ferrari]

You mean the devil?

[John Davis]

And the devil and all that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Dante.

[John Davis]

The Dante Inferno. Exactly. But in the, the earliest texts are written in Greek and they use the term Hades.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, well that's, that's old. That's.

[John Davis]

That's pagan ideology of a terrible place. And Jesuit used the word Gehenna and Gehenna was a valley where a, a Judaic warlord killed a bunch of children. And so it became a place known for torment and terrible things. Wasn't there, wasn't there a garbage dump later on? It supposedly became a trash dump where things were burned. Right, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it was a burning infrastructure.

[John Davis]

Burning. And if you're a bad kid, you're going to go burning Gehenna. Right. You know, so this ideology of hell. But the hell became a very, very profitable little ideology. Right. Because it's good sized business when you go to the sacraments once again, that last rite. So you're going to burn in hell if you don't give us all your money or your house. Right. So this idea of this. Now for there to be a hell, there has to be a Satan.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you need a ruler.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in the ancient text, Satan did not mean an individual person or an individual entity or even the opposing force of God, of good and evil.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's actually wheat gluten that turns into. That's Satan.

[John Davis]

Satan okay, there you go. And we all know gluten is bad for you.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's true, exactly.

[John Davis]

So Satan meant accuser, someone who accused you of something. And anybody could be a Satan. So if I accused you of something, I was the Satan.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you have been called that many times.

[John Davis]

It also meant temptation. So 40 days in the desert battling Satan could have easily been 40 days in the desert battling his own temptations. Yeah. Could have been easily in the same thing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Again, nobody was there.

[John Davis]

No one was there. Right. So as it goes further on this, this ideology starts to become into eternal damnation and stuff like that. With our friend Paul, he starts pushing this idea of this eternal damnation in hell. But he was also the one pushing celibacy for every Christian because he believed that the end of the world was coming and hell was coming soon.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I was going to say that's not a great way to procreate, to move it along.

[John Davis]

And he thought specifically they shouldn't be having babies because the end is coming. Hell is coming. So he had this idea, hell or heaven is coming. By the time Dante comes around, the medieval church had already started creating this structure of hell. Right. Dante writes the Inferno. Now there's nine levels and there's a devil and there's demons and all this stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they grabbed onto it.

[John Davis]

Yeah, they grabbed onto it. Joshua never said it. If he said hell in the Bible, which there are many Bibles say he said hell a lot. But he would have said sheol. He wouldn't have said damnation and all this stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

But he did talk about the Genna Gehenna. Yeah, he's like in a sermon, he's like, if you guys don't get your stuff.

[John Davis]

Yeah. You're end up in a bad way.

[Alex Ferrari]

In a bad way. Yeah, it's going to go. But he was just using it as an example.

[John Davis]

Yeah, it's just like the body and blood of Christ thing. Right. He said, remember me when you eat and drink. That's basically what he said. In other words, I'm teaching you this truth. I'm teaching you this truth and I want you to remember it as frequently as you eat and drink. Keep it in your daily idea. He didn't say, my body is this, this piece of bread and my white, my blood is that wine. Right. You know, he said, remember me as frequently as you eat and drink, because that's something you do all the time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah. So. So there's no hell, no hell. No hell, no hell. Fantastic. There's no Satan. No Satan, but Satan, they Took that kind of from the Book of Enoch. Right. If I'm not mistaken, the fallen, the fallen angel is that.

[John Davis]

Well, that's Lucifer. That's a different. That's a different person.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, hold on a second now, wait a minute. So Lucifer is a different.

[John Davis]

Yeah, Lucifer was a fallen angel, but not the opposing force of God. He's one who fell from grace, came to earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, but did he go down? So he's not. Lucifer is not the ruler.

[John Davis]

Yeah, he's no longer in the divine essence up here. He's now condemned to Earth.

[Alex Ferrari]

Kind of like he's condemned to Lilith.

[John Davis]

Okay, Lilith. You know who Lilith is? Yes, Adam's first wife. Right. She came down.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sorry. It's just like Adam already got a divorce. It's like, I can't, I can't with this.

[John Davis]

So Lilith was not made of Adam's rib. She was an independently minded woman.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can't have that.

[John Davis]

Who quote, unquote, wanted to be on top. And in the time period of Judaism, if a woman was on top, that meant she had subjugated her male, of course. And so you would have been a subjugate of the woman in a patriarchal time. And that doesn't work. So because this was an issue, she left Adam and went off in the world and in that theology became a tormentor or demon, obviously. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

All women were right at that time.

[John Davis]

Right. And then Eve was made from Adam's ribs. So he was. She would be forever subjugated Adam.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. So where does that, Where's Lilith's story?

[John Davis]

Oh, it's, it's in, it's an old text like coming out of Judaism and a lot of those other stories. And you find it in some of the, some of the, the earliest, like Gnostic style stuff. There's mentions of it in there. It's not something that's, that's a hundred percent accepted by everybody in it, but it's, but it's there.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's another part of another part of the tapestry.

[John Davis]

It's there. It's. And, and they just said no.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, so Lucifer is just a fallen angel just falling. So where did Lucifer become the devil? Because he's known as the devil.

[John Davis]

Lucifer became the devil about the same time that Mary Magdalene became the prostitute.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, wow, that power back.

[John Davis]

Yeah, yeah. Because what happens is they start saying, we have to start making this concise so it's more easy to understand. And Paul said women shouldn't be allowed to speak the Torah or be in the same temple with the men, obviously. Right. And so for Jeshua to have a wife or someone he loved and who was powerful would have been completely antithetical. So they married the story of the prostitute to her. The only mention of Mary Magdalene in the Gospels is her going to the tomb the day after and seeing that he wasn't there.

[Alex Ferrari]

How about wasn't she at the cross?

[John Davis]

Well, it doesn't say that in the Bible, but she was. Because my past life regression memory, I had her here and his mother here.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've had multiple channels come on the show who've channeled Mary.

[John Davis]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Magdalene. And from many stories and also mystics as well that I've heard is that Mary was a disciple of, of Jesus. She was a master in her own right. And she financed. She came from a real, A wealthy family.

[John Davis]

She did come from a wealthy family.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then she financed his ministry because.

[John Davis]

She probably, she probably did. I don't have. Of course, I can only speak of what I know. What's interesting about her was she was living in a very patriarchal time. So for her to come out and to claim to be someone who was that enlightened would have been. She had been stoned to death. And they were trying to.

[Alex Ferrari]

When Jesus.

[John Davis]

Then you look at the Gnostic gospel of Mary Magdalene and she tells this amazing vision that came from Jeshua. But then in the end, Peter says, why should we listen to you? You're a woman. Why would Jesus say that to you? Why would he bring that to you? And then Levi says, what are you talking about? He loved her more than us. Of course he's going to come to her. Of course he's going to talk to you, Peter. You're just some surly guy. Right? And Levi stuck up for her. But the concept of Peter and the other disciples were against her was very much relevant to the time period. Right. Do I think she understood Yeshua's teachings? Absolutely. But I think that those teachings were so simple and so antithetical to the Jewish faith and the Roman people that her saying it as a woman would have been even more deadly for her.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[John Davis]

It would have been even more deadly for her. But, yeah, I totally believe when you look at the painting I did of the two of them together laughing, you know, she's got her head pressed onto his neck and she's just. They're just laughing together because they were being the love and the now. Right. And that was the. That was the essence of it, in my opinion. Like I said, that's. I can only speak my truth. I would never judge anyone for believing differently than I. Unless, as I say, they're harming someone.

[Alex Ferrari]

John, we can keep going for.

[John Davis]

I know. It's just terrible.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is a deep, deep well, my friend. I knew this was going to happen. I've barely looked at any questions.

[John Davis]

Oh, good.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't think I've looked at one question at all. It's just us riffing, which is beautiful. Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions. I ask all my guests. There might be a couple new ones in there.

[John Davis]

Oh, good.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[John Davis]

To be love in the now and to express that love and feel that love coming to and from me every moment.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to Little John, what advice would you give him?

[John Davis]

Go back to Little John? Yeah. I would tell him that all the powers within him, no matter what's being done to you at this time. Time.

[Alex Ferrari]

And he would have said heresy. Now, what would Little John's advice be to you today?

[John Davis]

Oh, what would Little John's advice be to me? Oh, that's an easy one. Have fun.

[Alex Ferrari]

Have fun.

[John Davis]

Just be. Just be joy. Be loved. Let be laughter.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define God or source?

[John Davis]

Everything and everyone. And we are just the director of what this energy shows us.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is love?

[John Davis]

Everything and everyone and we are the director of everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's very lazy, but okay. And what is the ultimate purpose of life? We end it with an easy one.

[John Davis]

And once again, I'm going to say it is. It is to be and express love in the now. To be here in this one present conscious moment and be the essence of love that Joshua love one another. How about that one?

[Alex Ferrari]

Now, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

[John Davis]

Oh, thank you for saying that's amazing. You can find [e-mail] or on my YouTube channels. Johnofnew or the recovering Catholic. One of them is more controversial than the other, obviously.

[Alex Ferrari]

Obviously. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

[John Davis]

Yeah. Understand that though you may have doubts, though you may have self worth issues, those are from your past and you are the author of your story. And until you acknowledge that you're the author of the story, you'll be a character in somebody else. And so take this moment and look at the blank page in front of you and decide, am I writing a comedy or a tragedy? And I'm going to tell you, comedies are much more fun.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well played, sir.

[John Davis]

Well played.

[Alex Ferrari]

John, it's a pleasure having you on the show. It's a pleasure having you here in the studio and I look forward to many other collaborations in the future, sir. We're working on one right now. I'll end off with this. We're working on a course that we're doing, a very special course that we're doing together that will be available at Next Level Soul and everything up. We'll tell everybody about it when it comes out, but there's some. We're going to be doing some cool stuff together. So, John, I appreciate you and everything you do in awaken this, this planet and this, this people that we are. So thank you, my friend.

[John Davis]

And the same to you, Alex. This, this platform you've created is, is a seed that's growing into something far more beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

We are trying, sir. We are trying. So I appreciate you, bro. I want to thank John so much for coming on the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all of us. If you want to get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, head over in the show notes at nextlevelsoul.com forward/625 now. If this conversation stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely. Commercial free on next level Soul TV's app where Soul meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Roku, Android TV, Fire TV, LG and Samsung apps anytime, anywhere. Begin your Awakening at next LevelSoul TV. Thank you so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.

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