NLS 630: EVIDENTIAL MEDIUM SPEAKS to the DEAD: Brings MESSAGE of LOVE That Will HEAL Your HEART with Amber Kasic

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode NLS 630: EVIDENTIAL MEDIUM SPEAKS to the DEAD: Brings MESSAGE of LOVE That Will HEAL Your HEART with Amber Kasic
Release Date: October 14, 2025
Guest: Amber Kasic, Evidential Medium & End-of-Life Coach

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally powerful and deeply insightful episode, Alex Ferrari sits down with Amber Kasic, an evidential medium and end-of-life coach, to explore her journey from educator and skeptic to spiritual awakening and mediumship. Together, they delve into the universal messages received from “the other side,” discuss the nature of death and consciousness, share advice on connecting with loved ones who have passed, and offer hope, healing, and comfort on the nature of existence beyond this life.

Amber’s story is woven with raw anecdotes, transformative moments, and practical steps for navigating grief and opening up to spiritual possibility.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Amber’s Spiritual Path: From Skeptic to Seeker

[03:31–11:58]

• Amber’s Early Life and Identity:
  Amber describes herself as a wife, mother, and 20-year educator before her spiritual journey began.
• Initial Worldview:
  Raised Catholic, Amber moved away from traditional religion, seeking broader perspectives and community.

  “I just had this internal decision that I just didn’t want to be a part of something that felt separating, even unintentionally.” – Amber [11:37]

• Moment of Awakening:
  A trip to Peru and cultural encounters sparked her desire to understand multiple ways of experiencing humanity and spirituality.

2. The Death of Amber’s Father: The Heart of Transformation

[13:41–24:31]

• Grieving and Anticipatory Suffering:
  Amber shares openly about the pain leading up to her father’s passing, her attempts to control fate, and the lessons learned from his terminal diagnosis.
• Shared Death Experience:
  Amber recounts a profound, validating moment at her father’s bedside, characterized by physical sensations, visions, and an overwhelming sense of eternal connection.

  “I just knew. I knew it like the sky is blue. We are eternally bonded. And all is well. Everything’s fine.” – Amber [20:03]

• After-Death Communication:
  Signs, synchronicities, and direct “knowing” began to visit Amber, changing her outlook on life, death, and afterlife.

3. Evidential Mediumship Unfolds

[24:42–43:58]

• First Signs from Beyond:
  Amber describes receiving unexpected communications from her dad in her mind, validated by real-world signs (feathers, animals, synchronicities).
  • A black lab and a deer in the exact manner she and her father specified became evidential signs.

  “It was way beyond coincidence to have that wind, to have the random dog, to have this deer…” – Amber [34:28]

• The Progression of Abilities:
  As she accepted these phenomena as real, her connection deepened, leading to spontaneous communications with other spirits.
• Shift into Mediumship:
  Experiences escalated from personal, after-death communication to impromptu readings for others—including strangers met in public.

4. From Reluctant Medium to Messenger and Bridge-Builder

[44:02–54:55]

• Evidential Encounters:
  Amber recounts providing striking evidence to strangers and acquaintances (i.e., intimate family secrets and objects she couldn’t have known), culminating in mutual moments of healing and awe.
  • Example: A session with the owner of her childhood home, sharing detailed messages about a bird in a box and a family potholder.

    “You could have never known about this… and in that moment, we just had this exchange of awe.” – Amber [48:44]

• Acceptance and Purpose:
  Though initially resistant, the depth and healing power of the work convinced Amber to embrace her role as a medium.

  > “I didn’t want to be a medium… What am I? I am a bridge builder. This is just a different way of building bridges.” – Amber [53:15]
  

5. Overcoming Fear, Conditioning, and Owning the Path

[54:55–61:15]

• Courage to Go Public:
  Amber discusses the incremental process of overcoming fear, societal programming, and religious dogma—bolstered by support from her husband and mother.

  “We’re all entitled to that love and beauty, and you are worthy.” – Amber [52:40]

• Reconciling Religious Upbringing:
  Addressing deeply rooted fears (e.g., “the devil’s work”), Amber encourages listeners to trust their hearts, follow love, and embrace an expanded, both/and spiritual view.

  “It doesn’t have to be an either/or—it’s a both/and. … If it’s feeding you some type of love, follow that.” – Amber [86:07]

6. Mediumship in Practice: Healing, Reconciling, Supporting End-of-Life

[61:18–73:53]

• Impactful Readings and Real-Time Transitions:
  Describes a session involving a family member with Alzheimer’s, showing that the soul is active beyond the body and facilitating comfort at end-of-life.
• Soul’s Transition and Stages of Dying:
  Amber touches on how dying is a process, not a moment, with the soul moving between worlds, revisiting memories, and often meeting loved ones (or pets) who guide the transition.

  “Our consciousness is like this… We are already a soul, having soul experiences.” – Amber [67:56]

7. Advice for Listeners: Connecting with Departed Loved Ones

[73:53–83:24]

• Natural and Sudden Deaths:
  Amber reassures those with loved ones who died suddenly or traumatically: souls are always helped and enveloped in love, regardless of the circumstances of death.
• How to Connect with Loved Ones:
  Practical steps for laypeople:
  • Release limiting beliefs about perception (“let the love in”).
  • Notice signs and synchronicities; be open to subtle communication.
  • Mindfulness and presence, especially in nature or meditative states.
  • Ask for dream visits and pay attention to the “in-between” state on waking.

  “We’re limited by what we are able to experience… You have to be willing to let the love in.” – Amber [77:52]

8. Navigating Skepticism, Trauma, and Healing

[83:24–97:09]

• For Skeptics:
  Encouragement to pursue personal experience with an open heart, not to be convinced, but to seek evidence and remain a “learner and seeker.”

  “Most of the time, you get what you’re ready for… Go in it with an open heart, though, and an open mind.” – Amber [91:58]

• Dealing with Difficult Relationships and Death:
  Amber shares her own story of complex healing with her father and examples where mediumship facilitated validation and reconciliation, even when the living are not (yet) ready to forgive.

  “Everything is there to serve you as a step forward on your path, wherever you are.” – Amber [96:53]

9. Final Message from Spirit

[97:51]

“You are already divine, already whole, and already worthy. You don’t have to prove yourself to anyone or anything at all. You are loved.” – Amber

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I was always looking to be a bridge culturally… but that bridge has now greatly expanded.” – Amber [05:21]
• “Death is like birth—we cannot control it. We can only be in support of it.” – Amber [16:16]
• “We think that we’re here until we stop breathing. We are not.” – Amber [23:00]
• “I was being guided by love in something that is beyond science.” – Amber [39:18]
• “Let the love in—that is your loved one.” – Amber [77:52]
• “It is very freeing to just sit in the truth of your heart.” – Amber [89:22]

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Important Timestamps

• 03:31–05:21: Amber’s background and cultural bridge-building
• 13:41–24:31: Shared death experience and immediate aftermath
• 28:21–34:35: Signs from the other side (feathers, animals, deer)
• 41:41–42:27: First evidential mediumship for others—stuffed bunny w/top hat
• 44:02–48:44: Transition to professional mediumship – pivotal session with owner of her childhood home
• 55:39–61:15: Confronting and overcoming fear, blending spirituality and tradition
• 65:15–73:07: End-of-life insights, multi-level consciousness, stages of dying
• 77:15–80:21: How to connect with loved ones as non-mediums
• 86:07–89:22: Religion, “devil’s work,” and heart-centered spirituality
• 91:58–97:09: Mediumship, skepticism, trauma, and healing
• 97:51: Final message from Spirit

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Resources

• Amber Kasic’s Website: natureswayopen.com
• Socials: @natureswayopen (YouTube, Facebook, Instagram)

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Tone and Takeaway:
Warm, compassionate, and practical, the conversation encourages embracing personal intuition, healing unresolved grief, and recognizing the universal, unbreakable threads of love between souls—offering tools and comfort for both seekers and skeptics.

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For more:
Visit nextlevelsoul.com/630 for episode show notes and links.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

[B]

Thank you so much for coming down to Next Level Soul Studios. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Yeah. It's so great to have you here. You are an evidential medium.

[C]

I am.

[B]

And you also work in End of life as well as a coach. As an end of life coach, yeah, absolutely. So I want to just start off the conversation with. Can you share the story behind your coffee mug, which is she led a life with endless possibilities, of endless possibilities.

[C]

Oh, I love this question. No one's asked me a question like this before.

[B]

That's why you're here at Next Level Soul.

[C]

Yeah. Well, I found that coffee mug during the process of my spiritual awakening. And, man, does that coffee mug now just represent everything, everything that is possible in our lives and just how much we have no idea of this essence, of the tapestry of connection of which we are a part. And the possibilities truly are endless.

[B]

So what was your spiritual path? What would you describe your identity prior to you jumping onto this spiritual path?

[C]

A wife, a mother, a teacher? I spent 20 years in education, but really, I identified very much as a teacher that was really a core of who I am.

[B]

What grades?

[C]

If you don't want me to. High school, mostly.

[B]

God bless you.

[C]

Yeah, God bless you. No, it was great. I love working with kids and especially I was a language teacher. I love language acquisition and thinking about how people learn second languages.

[B]

What languages do you know?

[C]

Spanish and English. I would love to learn more. Yeah, muchoesto mucho. Yeah, mucho sanos.

[B]

Oh, very cool. Very, very cool.

[C]

And, you know, even as a classroom teacher, I was always with the students Looking to be a bridge culturally, a bridge to others around the world for my students. And so that's a core part of who I am. But that bridge has now greatly expanded.

[B]

Very much so. And you're also a wife and a mother. How does that influence your understanding of this human experience? Because, I mean, this is a heck of a journey we're on, and this is a little rough down here. Without question, I am a father and a father and a podcast host and a husband and all that. But from your point of view, how does the mother and the wife help you understand this experience? Because it's a very different experience, and I'm walking through, so I'm just curious.

[C]

Yeah, well, I'll tell you, you know, I didn't necessarily feel called like I had to be a mom at first. I almost sort of felt ambivalent, even though I loved kids. But I'll tell you that when I became a mom, wow, did my intuition that I already had explode? And it gave me this whole other sense of the sacredness of creation. But this was before all of my spiritual experiences and awakening. So I. I don't even know if I would have used those words to describe it like I would now. But I definitely felt a part of the process of creation, and I felt a soul connection to my son on. As I'm sure many parents do. But I'm sorry, there's something different about moms.

[B]

Oh, there's no question.

[C]

And that. That. That connection now with my other awareness just speaks to this level of, again, the tapestry of connection that we all are and we all have.

[B]

Yeah. There is a thing called woman's intuition. Then there's mom intuition. It's a whole other level where you can, like, you can almost feel like he's doing something in the other room. In the other room doing something, you know?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

And I. The dads don't have intuition per se, but I. I have the. I have a precognitive ability to see what's going to happen or what. The potential of what's going to happen. Like you're going to kill yourself, you're going to break that. You're going to. That I kind of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm always seeing five steps ahead of where they are.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. So.

[B]

So when your. Your father passed, that was kind of the catalyst for all of this.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Before you get that, before we go there, were you raised spiritual?

[C]

I was raised going to Catholic church.

[B]

You're a Catholic as well? Yeah, I'm recovering.

[C]

Okay. I've heard that and heard you speak about that? Yes. I was raised Catholic in my 20s. I. I sort of disidentified with Catholic Catholicism so much and started exploring other churches because I really wanted that sense of community and still had this faith. But right around the age of 30, I was with a group of students. Actually, we were on a journey together, and we were working with an indigenous group in Peru for a few days. And there was a group of women there from. Not the exact same building church that I was attending, but the same affiliation church. It was a brand of Lutheran Church. And they were lovely, lovely women. But with my students, we kept talking about, we're here to learn from these. From these people and how they experience life and humanity. And these lovely women were there to also help them see and grow in their understanding of Jesus. And I completely understood, looking from the outside, all of the ways that people were bringing their own beauty to the situation. But. But I had this very. Just this moment of epiphany where I saw it from the outside. And I realized these women are missing out on a beautiful opportunity to simply experience the humanity of this group as they see their lives and their world and humanity. And it's coming from a beautiful place. They're wanting to share themselves, but they're not seeking to understand the other. And I couldn't go back and go to church in the same way anymore. Interesting, because I saw it as a missed opportunity to connect human to human without an agenda.

[B]

That's a very interesting point. I haven't had that point on the show before. And it's something that's really interesting because as Catholics, as Christians, you want to. You go off and spread the word that, you know, you have to convert, you know, hopefully without the. The Crusades. Yeah, exactly. But you do that. But when you go into someone else's culture and when you start traveling the world and you start seeing other people's culture, how other people live, you start to realize that we are. I mean, at least I have all connected. And every path leads kind of to the same place. And it's just the path that they chose because they were born into it or something like that. If you were born in a Muslim country, more likely you might have been Muslim. If you were born in Israel, you probably absolute. It's just the scope of where you're born and what has been, what you're drawn to or what you're put in as the moment you're. You're born.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So it's really interesting to see that. That perception that you had that as Christians, you want to go in and go, listen, I know you knew you worship the tree, but this right here is. And I don't mean I'm not insulting, I'm just making a joke. But, but, but Jesus is the way. And, but they don't stop to go, well, what is it about the tree? What is the elemental gods that you're going through? Or what is the nature that you're. How are you living life? And they're taking. I think you're right. The missed opportunity to learn how they're experiencing life differently than us and see how that can inform your own life. Does that make sense?

[C]

It does, yeah. And it was just a missed opportunity of beautiful human to human connection. Um, and so when I went home, I just had this internal decision that I just didn't want to be a part of something that felt separating, even unintentionally.

[B]

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[B]

And now back to the show. They had good intentions.

[C]

Yeah, but spread love. I always want to bring people together. It's what I was doing in my classroom. It's just how I conduct myself. And so I still had my personal beliefs, but in that moment, my views were really starting to grow and I started to take more and more stance of we can't know everything. And this idea that there might be so much more that our brains simply cannot comprehend and we're trying to fill in gaps. And it also doesn't mean that these very key religious figures aren't real, didn't exist, didn't have their own stories. But there's more than one story.

[B]

Yeah. Obviously around the world, there's a few more. A few stories that we're all listening to. But that's a beautiful and very evolved idea that you're just talking about. And you did that in early.

[C]

I was exactly 30.

[B]

At 30, I would like to say at 30, I was doing these kind of deep thoughts, but I was not. But that's Very fascinating. So when your father passed, that's kind of when this all started to unravel and ravel at the same time. How old were you when, when he passed?

[C]

I was 39.

[B]

Okay. So. So I had nine years of this new discovery of spirituality. So did you start going to other. Trying to learn about.

[C]

I actually remember driving with a group of monks from a local Buddhist temple to a conference in Detroit. That must be here was just me, this 30 year old lady. Right. Who was in this van with Buddhist monks asking them existential questions about life and their. And isn't that amazing? It was an interfaith conference. Yeah.

[B]

Isn't that amazing? Because you can learn so much from each other. And the thing I keep finding in my work is that it's just different flavors of the same message. Just different flavors of the same message. We're all going to the same place. It's just, it's a lot more interesting this way. As opposed to just the one.

[C]

Yeah. And you know, that's probably really, really when I became maybe more conscious of my own seekingness just to really be a seeker. But to choose to be a seeker. I think we are all seekers, but it's different to choose consciously choose to be a seeker.

[B]

So when you're, when your father passes, you're 39. What, what happened? Because it was an interesting. It wasn't a normal passing, if you will. So how did, how did that passing affect you?

[C]

Yeah. Well, I will say first that looking back, I suffered more leading up to his passing, knowing that he had a terminal diagnosis. He passed of kidney cancer that had also lung cancer had spread. But I suffered more in all of that anticipatory grief. And man, do I wish I could go back and change some of the ways that I interacted with my dad, just being more present. I was one example. He used to send me these funny videos via email every day. Animal videos, stuff that would make me roll my eyes, you know, crass videos, all kinds of things. And I remember one day he asked me, hey, did you see that owl video I shared with you? And I said, you know, dad, I'm saving a lot of these because I want to open them in the future. And I wish I could do that differently now because you could have enjoyed it. Yeah. He was seeking to connect and I was seeking to keep him around when I couldn't. I was trying to control an inevitable part of life. Death is like birth. We cannot control it. We can only be in support of it. So there was a lot of suffering in that way. Sleepless nights. I remember being up until 2 in the morning reading horoscopes to try to find out exactly how and when he was going to die. I don't even believe in horoscopes. Didn't at the time, you know, none of these things. And I was trying to control every amount of suffering and.

[B]

But that's natural.

[C]

It is. You want to call it is. It is. But. But I experience this passing as simultaneously the most painful and beautiful truly moment of my life. Truly. And I now just see it and I felt it even in the moment as a sacred. Sacred is the best word for it. Truly a sacred transition. When he actually passed, well, about 12 hours before he took his last breath, he had been unconscious for days. And I was laying alongside him in the hospice bed that was in our parents living room. And you know, I had my eyes closed, I was holding his hand and I was just thinking about the fact that I'm never going to hear his voice again. We had already had our last conversation in the middle of the night, you know, a few days prior, which we had agreed upon a sign that he might be able to give me when he goes. And so I was thinking about never hear his voice again. I was thinking about how he'll not see my grandson start kindergarten or see my grandson, you know, really ride his bike for the first time without training wheels, all these sorts of things. And I was also thinking about stuff with him and I just kind of left unsaid and done because there was some forgiveness that was needed and. And I had my own process of that through his passing. But it was always very like hidden. And I think he knew what I was doing. But we couldn't just explicitly have the conversation. So I was thinking about all these things and it was very painful place to be. And almost not by choice because of that pain, I just stopped thinking. And instead I simply focused on all of the unconditional love that I was feeling for my dad. And in that moment none of that stuff really mattered anymore. The junk, you know, of life of him, it just didn't matter anymore. He was just my perfectly imperfect dad and I loved him dearly. And so in that place of love, and I might say now just kind of surrender and letting go to that, I started experiencing in my mind these hues of purple that were kind of swirling in my mind. Haven't experienced that before, but okay, whatever. And then I felt this warmth that started at the crown of my head and just kind of slowly went down to my toes and I remember thinking, oh, the sun must be coming in the window. And just kind of playing tricks on me. But then I felt with full clarity what I can only describe as a force. It was like wind, but not because it wasn't on my skin. And it was like this whoosh. And it came in from the center of my back into the center of my chest. And I just felt this force, this presence. And this force was doing slow circles around the center of my chest, my heart center. Although I never, never used words like that at the time.

[B]

That's crazy talk.

[C]

Yeah, it is, right? And so it was just sort of doing the slow motion, almost like, are you aware? Are you aware? And as I was aware, it traveled to my shoulder and it paused. And this feeling was so new, unlike anything I have ever felt in my life, that I couldn't judge it. There was. There was nothing to judge it against. I could only be with the moment that force traveled down my arm, like on the inside of my body, into my hand and then into my dad's hand. And I just knew. I knew it. Like the sky is blue. We are eternally bonded. And all is well. Everything's fine. Everything is fine. And it didn't even matter what that meant, you know, Just if someone were to say that to me, well, you and your dad are eternally bonded. In my head, I'd start analyzing. What does that mean? He's dying? What do you mean we're eternally bonded? I'm never going to talk to him again. I didn't care, because it was just true. It didn't matter what it meant. It was a knowing, not a we are eternally bonded.

[B]

Right?

[C]

And I gave him a big hug and I said in his ear because he couldn't hear me, but I knew somehow he could hear me. Dad, I don't know what that was, but I know you felt it, too. And you take all that love and light in your core with you. Words I didn't use. Where was that even coming from? I was not a love and light person. But it was me saying, I see you. I see you as the essence, as the soul, as the beautiful man. And the stuff. And we all have our stuff. It's junk, right? It's just the junk. Leave the old news behind. I'm okay if you go now. It was a beautiful moment. And I actually had to leave the house because I had been with him all week, and my mom as well, and I had to leave the house to go be with my family for a few hours. And when I left the house, I was joyous. I was blasting music in the car. I was singing on the way home, the wind, you know, windows down, the wind blowing. And I just remember thinking, what is wrong with me?

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

And now back to the show.

[C]

But I was the, I had this, literally this just elation that was stuck with me and so much so that I didn't want to go back to the house later at night. I had wanted that to be my last moment with my dad because it was so beautiful. But I did go back and he actually took his last breath at about. I love this on November 1st during daylight savings time change in Michigan. So we didn't really know exactly what time to write on the birth certificate at first because he passed when we are absent of time on a full Hunter's Moon on 111 of 2020. And none of that now I know, is an accident. I also know now with months, months later reflection and evidential mediumship experiences that that experience I had with him, that shared death experience, that was him. We think that we're here until we stop breathing. We are not. There is a lot more happening with our soul transition and in and out of our physical consciousness and our higher consciousness and the consciousness of the beyond. There is more happening during a dying process than meets the eye. That was him telling me we are eternally bonded. That was him giving me that experience to let me know that all is well.

[B]

Wow. Okay. So from that shared death experience, essentially, that there's a leap between that and hey, I'm an evidential medium.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It didn't, I'm assuming a day after you didn't go, oh, now I see dead people. So how does that jump happen? When does that, when does that happen? Because I'm assuming that kind of opened.

[C]

Things up for you. Yes, it opened a door. But really that moment began a year long journey with my dad, guided by him in spirit. Truly, almost every day so how do you mean that? Sure. Well, just hours after he passed away. It's not that I thought he was with me at all. I just knew I had this lovely experience. I called it an otherworldly experience. I had not heard of shared death experiences. I didn't know what it was. I just knew it was real. But hours after he died, I pulled into a park just to decompress. I just wanted to walk. You know, it's very emotional being with someone at their passing. And I pulled into the parking space, and I finally let some tears go. And they weren't even so much grief as just rawness and rawness of all the emotions. And as I was letting those tears go, I heard my dad's voice. His actual voice, in my mind. I didn't think it was him. I thought I was making it up. But I heard him. And he said, ambie. That's what he called me. His nickname. You've cried enough tears over me in your life. Get out of the car. And I stopped and I. You know, kind of crying. And I thought to myself, gee, that's true. I have cried enough tears over my dad in my life. But also, my brain just made that up. But I got out of the car and I started walking. And as I was walking, I just sort of said to myself, gee, Dad, I hope you're all right. And without a moment hesitation, instantly he was right there in my mind, his actual voice. And that voice said, I'm just fine, Amy. I'm gonna stick around here a while and help some people. And I'm happy about it. And I did stop walking. Not because I believed that that was my dad, but I had this other knowing, which was I as Amber. If I were inventing his voice, I would not have said that. Amber would have said, heaven's so beautiful. I'm with my dog again. And my granddad greeted me, because I told you that's who I hope to see one day, you know, in the beyond. I'm hanging out with Frank Sinatra, Right? I'm fishing. Yes. My dad loved Frank Sinatra. He might have even just put that thought in your head. Cause that's how this works. Like, that's what I would have come up with. Never would I have come up with, I'm gonna stick around here a while and help some people.

[B]

Yeah, that's not a usual. The other thought is what? Normally, like, if you're talking to your dearly departed mother or father.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Automatically, like, oh, heaven's great. All this, like, so you would never hear, like, you know, I'm gonna stick around a bit and help some people. Yeah, that's something. That's.

[C]

No, no. And my next thought was, you know, outside of, okay, well, that's interesting, because I wouldn't have said that if I were making this up. But my next thought was, even if that were true, who would he be helping? Like, I didn't even have the thought. Me.

[B]

He didn't say, I'm gonna help you. I'm people.

[C]

I'm just, yeah, I'm gonna help a.

[B]

Few people, or something like that.

[C]

Yeah. But he really was about to guide me down a journey of awakening and understanding our greater reality. And so I wouldn't hear his voice again in my mind for about a month or so after that. It just started. Like many people were. You know, all of a sudden, baby feathers were constantly everywhere on the floor in my house.

[B]

Baby feathers?

[C]

Yeah, like real tiny ones. Like, you know, like real tiny ones.

[B]

Oh, like little feathers.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't really believe in this kind of stuff. I wanted to, because it sounds fanciful and nice, but, you know, what do you mean? I like science. What do you mean? Someone in spirit is trying to put objects, places. That wasn't a part of my frame of reference or worldview. But I couldn't deny that these very odd synchronicities kept occurring. And then, you know, as I said, two days before my dad died, we, in the middle of the night, in a moment of lucidity, agreed upon a sign together. I had asked him for one in an email, and he never wrote me back, probably because he didn't want to disappoint me because he didn't know what was next either. And in that 2am conversation, I said, hey, dad, you never wrote me back. And he kind of made a joke and goes, well, I suppose I should get right on that then. Like, in this state, he's not able to respond, you know, and. But we decided. I made some suggestions. I first suggested a leaf in my face from a really strong wind. And he kind of grunted. And I took that as disapproval. And so then I suggested a random animal, something really random that just kind of comes up to me out of nowhere. And he had grunted again, which I just took as disapproval. And then I said, how about a deer in my direct walking path? And he opened his eyes wide in that moment, and he said, you'll know in the eyes. And that was so that I took that as our agreed upon sign. Well, the night after he passed away, I went for a walk with my Husband to tell him about just the experiences of the whole week. I hadn't really seen my family for a week. And as we got to the park, you know, it was 7:00pm on November 2nd. Here comes this insane wind, and it's just blowing leaves in my face. Now it's November 2nd in the Midwest. It gets windy. I didn't really think anything of it, but I started telling him this story of this conversation that I had with my dad. And as I'm telling the story, literally a black lab. And labs were my dad's favorite dog. He always had a lab his whole life. A black lab with no owner, no collar, no leash, comes running up to us, barking at us. It's got no one around, and it even kind of trails off and turns around and barks at us. And even my husband, who loves statistics at this time with Ace, was atheist, doesn't believe in any of this stuff, Was like, I think that dog wants us to follow him. And that dog literally went running constantly stopping barking at us as we're following it. It goes into the cemetery across the street.

[B]

Stop it.

[C]

And so my husband and I, in our. In our moment of common sense, said to each other, you know, we should probably just go get in the car. And there's a neighborhood in the area. We should help this dog find its home. So we get in the car, we go over to the cemetery, we see the dog again. It stops, it's barking at us. And literally from probably 50 yards away, my husband opens the van door, and this dog just comes running across the cemetery field right into our van. We didn't even get out. And so we drive around the neighborhood. We find this dog's home, drop the dog off.

[B]

How did you find the dog's home?

[C]

Well, we got out. You know, there's like these huge houses on a hill in the neighborhood. So we just kind of went to each one.

[B]

We just knocked on the door.

[C]

Yep. And someone finally said, oh, these people have a black lab. Go to the four houses down, whatever. So we dropped the dog off, and as we are rounding the corner, coming down the hill, what is right in front of the van in the middle of the road?

[B]

Elephant.

[C]

A young. A young buck.

[B]

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[C]

And you know, it's not uncommon to see deer where I live, but it is very uncommon to have a buck stand in the middle of the road and not move. Just headlights blaring. And this buck walked slowly, very slowly to the side of the road. It was probably about 7ft from my car window. And it just stood there and stared at me. And by this point I am bawling. I have the window down. I'm telling the deer how beautiful it is. I know that this is a sign from my dad. I'm crying. I'm telling it. Thank you. Trying to see if there's any food I can throw was just the most beautiful moment. And I knew that it was my dad letting me know that everything was well. And even though I had already felt that when we had that moment together, this is like the real world confirmation to me of that. And even my husband, again, who doesn't believe in anything. Woo woo. Well, does now. Didn't at the time said, this is way beyond coincidence to have that wind, to have the random dog, to have this deer. And that's literally the three things that were in our.

[B]

And you called it before it happened.

[C]

Yeah. I was literally telling him the story as it was, as it was started to unfold.

[B]

It must have freaked him out. I must have freaked him out. He's like, there's something.

[C]

Oh, there was a lot more to come that really freaked him out. Way beyond that. But it kind of those types of things began my journey of just starting to open my eyes, I would say. And then as the weeks went by, I started to feel his presence. I would really feel my dad.

[B]

So when you say feel, I want to dig into this. What do you mean by feel your dad? Is it like a signature of like a smell? Like, like I remember my, my grandmother smells, you know, the smell of her house. I could smell them. I remember the smell of my grandfather and his energy. I could feel their energies. And as I'm saying them in my head, I can feel the signature of both of them. Is that what you're talking about? Kind of like a signature of him?

[C]

Well, there were different ways that that would show up, but in those earliest moments, it was Like a pressure change in the air around me is the best way to describe it.

[B]

So it's a physical thing?

[C]

Yes. No, it kind of felt. Felt physical, but not in a way that is something we could see. Right. But I felt like a pressure change in the air around me. A lot of times my ear would ring. It took me about two months to pick up on this pattern for my brain to become aware of it. But the left side of my face would itch whenever I had this thought that his presence was near. And that's kind of how it started in the very beginning. And I just thought, you know, like, is he's here? But I wanted to know he was here. I need physical proof that he's here. But of course, our loved ones from beyond can't manifest themselves exactly in front of us. So it shows up in the signs, it shows up in the synchronicities. It shows up in all of those ways. And a lot of times, you know, there was a moment where I had that felt presence, and I just. I was on a walk and I closed my eyes and I said, dad, I really feel you. But I could really use a deer about now because I wanted the proof. And as I picked up my head to turn on my. Continue on my walk, there was a buck right in my direct walking path, 40ft away, just staring at me. And I'd have those types of moments that, to me, were the confirmation that this is real. I'm really feeling him. And so every time I believed, once I finally believed, then something new would open.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

And it's like him dangling a carrot. We know Amber, she's curious. She's going to want to understand how these things are unfolding and how it's working. And so let's just keep dangling carrots in front of her. She will guide her down this path, knowing. But I didn't know eventually that would develop into spontaneous mediumship abilities.

[B]

So let's get into the spontaneous mediumship, because this story is fantastic. There's books, there's labs. It's fantastic. I itch my face, I'm ringing in the ears. All that's great. Now, the leap from the connection to your father, which many people do have that, and I've heard of many. I've spoken to many people who've have a deep connection with someone. A son, a daughter, parents, something like that. But to make the leap to evidential medium, what's that process like and how did you deal with it? And I always like to ask the question, do you see dead people? How does it work for you? Is it the sixth sense? Like how does it work exactly?

[C]

Yeah. Okay, well, I'll explain how it works, but let's get to the. Let's, let's kind of go through the how. How did it develop? Briefly, I will say that once I believed I had this connection with my dad, I started a meditation journey.

[B]

And you had never meditated before?

[C]

I had, but sporadically around the age of 30. As a part of that seeking.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Didn't. Yes.

[B]

With the Buddhist.

[C]

Yes, but. But you know, I didn't. There was no actual seriousness in my practice to it. But I started a meditation journey because I felt it key to, to understanding this connection. That meditation journey deepened my connection with my dad, where his voice returned and it was like having almost a one on one conversation with him. So in some ways that's the beginning of the mediumship journey. But it was just my dad. I didn't perceive it as mediumship. I perceived it as a connection with my dad, which we call after death or direct post death communication is what we call that.

[B]

Did you, did you even understand what a medium was? Did you know the topic?

[C]

I knew of mediums. Did I believe in them? I don't know. I kind of thought, okay, there's probably some people that have some kind of ability. But I didn't spend a lot of my time thinking about it either. But as that communication with my dad developed again, he. Sometimes he would tell me things that were very direct and true. So it was validating for me that I really am hearing from him. And that eventually grew into spontaneous communication with others, with loved ones in my sphere, not because I was asking. It was the next step. Again, every time I finally believed this is really happening, the next thing would grow. What I love about this, and I say it all the time. When all of this was first happening, I kept asking, what is the science that is fostering this? Because I love science and I believe in science, but I don't think some person sprinkled magic fairy dust on amber. There is something in our universe that is fostering this and I want to understand it. I still believe that. And I believe we are on the cusp of that understanding. But I also know I was being guided by love in something that is beyond science. And there's more than just that. But those mediumship abilities developed spontaneously through others. I can remember pulling in the driveway of my daycare provider and all of a sudden I hear this young teenage male voice in my mind and he said in reference to my daycare provider. She's great, isn't she? And that. That is. I knew my daycare provider had lost her brother when he was a teenager, decades before I ever knew her. Didn't live in the same city, none of that. And I. I had a knowing. This is her brother. I just had a knowing. And so I sat in my car before I walked in her house to drop off my son, and I said, give me a piece of evidence. How can I know this is really you? And he showed me a bunny with a top hat on. And I thought, well, that's, like the most random thing.

[B]

It's pretty specific.

[C]

Oh, yes, very specific, but also very random. And so I dropped my son off, and I just felt I couldn't tell her because it was so embarrassing and vulnerable. And what if. What if that's false and I'm just crazy, you know? But I did get up the courage to call her on the phone later, and I just said, you know, I've been having these really interesting experiences since my dad died. And I heard this young male teenage voice in my mind in my car. I told her what he said, and I told her about the bunny with the top hat. And. And she said, you know, he gave me for the very last gift before he died, a stuffed animal bunny with this big top hat on that you.

[B]

Would have never known.

[C]

No, I would have never known that. And she said, I actually used to say to my mom, like, after he passed, oh, he didn't really buy me that. Like, you must have bought me that, because it's so random for this teenage boy to give his sister this, you know, thing. But she held onto it with such sentimental value. She also said to me, I'm turning 50 next week, and I've been asking him for a sign. And it was moments like that where it's not that I called myself a medium. I didn't. I didn't even really attribute it to mediumship. I just knew that these. These fascinating moments of beauty and love were happening. And so they would happen like that just in my sphere with people around me, and then they started happening in random public places. I remember being in a grocery store and being in line, just checking on my groceries, going about my everyday life.

[B]

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And now back to the show.

[C]

And all of a sudden, I felt a woman. And I knew she passed in her 50s, and I knew she died of emphysema. I could feel it in my chest in a. In almost a physical way. And I had a knowing this is the mother of the woman behind me.

[B]

Wow. That's trippy, man.

[C]

Right. But, you know, I have care and integrity and love and boundaries. And I'm not a person who's going to go around, hey, I'm hearing from. I don't want to.

[B]

That's an awkward conversation.

[C]

No, but I think they needed to happen because I wouldn't have kept following the path if those things wouldn't have happened. I wasn't asking for any of this. And so I turned to that woman and I said, I'm sorry, I have to ask you something. Do you have a mother who passed in her 50s of emphysema? And she said, do you know my mother? And we both just kind of looked at each other with these kind of jaws dropped, you know, and her with curiosity. And I just explained to her, I don't know what's happening. I just know that my dad died recently, and I've been experiencing these types of things, and I'm trying to understand it. I didn't have a message with it. I just was feeling this presence, and it was a part of my journey of growth and understanding.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

But I did have a day when I became a medium.

[B]

Okay. And what was that day?

[C]

My dad's 70. Would have been his 76th birthday. We drove up to my childhood home to spread his ashes on the property behind the house. It's like eight hours away. I don't ever go there anymore. It's very far. And my family made a whole trip of it. He always wanted some of his ashes, at least on that property where he'd walk my dog every day. And so we drove up there, and the man that lives in the house now happened to be outside. So I told him why I was there. We had some small talk, exchanged some conversation. You know, he was living in my dad's dream home. They built a log home. And we talked about that. And he made this comment about how, you know, the house is pretty big. For him. He's alone now, and I could tell he just had a very sort of sad, down feel about him. But I thanked him. He was happy to help me out with that tradition. So we did that. And when I went back to the hotel and like I was now at this time, I was having a daily meditation practice, and I sat for myself in my meditation, and all of a sudden, I felt this man in my awareness. I felt him to. To have diabetes in life because I could feel in my actual stomach like little injection pinpricks. So I knew he gave himself daily injections in life, and I feel that he had diabetes. He showed me a writing pad, and it just. I had the knowing he was a teacher. And then it came with the sense of, this is the brother of the man in the log home. And then right as I had that thought, a woman steps into my awareness. And I know she's a mother. She's holding flowers in my face, and she gives me the impression of she loved her mailbox flowers and her daily walks to the mailbox. And I just had the knowing, it's the mother of this man in the house. And then the mother showed me a kitchen potholder. I still have a picture of it, white and green with a yellow flower in the middle. And I knew it was passed down in the family. That part was just a knowing. And I'm quickly grabbing my hotel writing pad and I'm writing all of this down on a piece of paper. She wanted to thank him for him caring for her, how much she appreciated him, how much that both the brother and her loved him deeply. And lastly, before they left, all I saw was this bird and then a box underneath. And I had this knowing, special bird in a box. And I wrote it down like that on the paper just so. And then they left my awareness, and I looked at that paper, and it felt like a mandate. It felt like I have to go tell this man these things, not even because I should. It felt like a mandate. But my second thought was, I cannot do this out of integrity. I can't go up to somebody's house and be like, hey, I communicated with your mom. I don't even know exactly all the people in his family, if they've passed.

[B]

All the things, what the relationships were.

[C]

Yeah, I had an idea that he was alone, just from the way that he was sharing with me. But, you know, this is not my style at all. But it felt like a mandate, like I had to. And so I decided I'm just going to go there and I'm going to be honest and I'm not even going to tell him everything. I'm going to offer him the opportunity to see the paper if he wants to so that he can make a choice for himself. So that's what I did. And by the way, this gentleman, he had all these political flags in front of his house. And I thought, this is going to be the least woo woo person that has ever been. But I did. I went to his house. I pull in the driveway. He came out of the house before I could even be too scared to turn around and drive away. He must have saw me pull up. So when he came out, I looked and I was like just wanting to make small talk first, right? I can't just get out of the car and go, hey, I got this paper here. And I saw a little cross in the yard across the way. Probably like a dog would be had been buried there, right? And so I said, oh, Larry, I see the cross in the yard there. You must have had a dog here. We had a chocolate lab. His name was Thunder, you know, just beloved dog. And he. By now he's kind of coming closer to me and he looks at me and he has this smile on his face. And the look on his face said to me, should I really tell her? Almost like, am I safe? You know? And he must have decided I was. And he said, actually, my brother used to live with me. I took care of him for a while. And one day a hummingbird flew in these big windows and it died. And my brother was really sad about it. And so we buried it in this box and put it in the. And I looked down on my paper and what was the last thing I had written? Special bird in a box. And this is the creativity of spirit. They knew I was scared out of my mind. They directed me to see that they helped him feel safe enough to tell me that story so that I would see that on my paper and I would know I am meant to share this with him and don't worry. And so I did. I told him, larry, I didn't tell you everything yesterday. I've been having these experiences with my dad since he passed. And this morning I felt like I connected with what I perceived to be your mom and your brother. I wrote everything down. Would you like to see the paper? So we took the paper from me and he was just reading it all. And I'm thinking in my mind, oh my gosh, he's going to think I'm crazy. And he looks up from the paper and he said, hold on just a minute. And he went into the house, and a few minutes later he came out and he's holding that white and green kitchen potholder with the yellow flower in the middle. And he said, this was buried in a box in the basement under stacks of boxes. It was made by my grandfather for my mother and passed down in the family exactly what I had written on the paper passed down in the family. You could have never known about this, Right? And in that moment, we just had this exchange of kind of awe, but at the same time, near. Neither of us quite knew what to make of it. But he wanted my phone number. He took my phone number and he called me a week later when I was home. And he said, amber, I've been thinking about this all week, and I. A question for you. Why me? Meaning, like, why would this happen to me? And I said, larry, I love that you asked that question, because I've been asking myself the same thing for the last year. Why me? And I know the answer. Because you are worthy. You are worthy of that love.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

So the way that he experienced that love, he was thinking of all kinds of people. Why me? Why would I get this beauty from God or from spirit? Right. We are all entitled to that love and beauty, and you are worthy. And he said to me, you know, I was really depressed and actually felt hopeless before this, and you have changed my life. And when I hung up that phone, I said, I'm a medium and I have to accept this.

[B]

And then you went to your. To your. To your husband and said, dear, honey, we're gonna change a few things.

[C]

Well, he had definitely been along for the. The ride of insanity.

[B]

So it wasn't a surprise when you said that, though.

[C]

No. Because, you know, he had been along this journey with me, and he even kind of was present for some pretty miraculous experiences. So it's sort of like he grew in belief alongside me. But this is when. That's when I really just fully accepted it for myself because I didn't want to be a medium. Like, I don't want to be a medium. What's everybody going to think of me, right? That's crazy. It was very scary. But what I just kept seeing how beautiful it was and the opportunities of love and beauty. And what am I? I am a bridge builder. I've been a bridge builder in teaching and education among cultures for K. That's a part of my core. This is just a different way of building bridges. And what a beautiful opportunity.

[B]

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[B]

And now back to the show. So when you decide to like okay, I'm going to be a medium now, I gotta believe there was some fear in. Because it's one thing to talk to your husband about it and talk to strangers about it, but to go publicly out and become, hey, everyone, I'm gonna wave my freak flag out and say, hey, I'm a medium now. How did you overcome that? Because there are a lot of people watching who do have to kind of overcome this, not because they're becoming mediums, but just to kind of change their programming, go into a different route of spirituality or become a seeker. And they're afraid of telling their parents or afraid of doing things publicly. How did you, how did you overcome that?

[C]

Fearful. It didn't happen overnight. It definitely did not happen overnight by any means. It was a process of unfolding. But all the way, I was just getting the guidance of courage from spirit, from my dad, from spirit guides. Once I finally believed in them. For a while I did believe in them, but some part of me thought they're for other people, not me. Like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not important enough to have Spirit Team. That's the kind of. But you know what? I bet a lot of people feel that that's this idea that we have. It's like, I'm not important enough, right? Why would I have all that beauty?

[B]

Well, it's the programming that we've been kind of, kind of been given by society, by our religions, by all of it that you are. You know, you're born US Catholic, we're born with original sin right away. So you're already, you're in the debt column when you just come into the situation. So that kind of works on you psychologically.

[C]

It does.

[B]

And you have to kind of break, break free of that to be. I'm worthy of all the love, right? Worthy of all of the spirit guides. I'm worthy of all of that because we all are.

[C]

Right? Yeah. But where I think, you know, well one, even if, even if one isn't Christian per se, but we just know the story of Jesus. That kind of the story is that we're not worthy. Right. Until someone decides that we are in the beyond. Right. And as a part of my spiritual experiences, I mean I had moments where I truly was on my knees in humility and tears because I felt the love and the worth that I am. I felt that viscerally. And it was a humbling feeling. It wasn't. I'm so amazing. No, it was the most humbling experiences. But it was also experience of coming home, just coming home to your true self and knowing that how did you.

[B]

Reconcile how you were raised with this new version of you? Because so many people are walking that path.

[C]

Yeah, well, I'm going to actually kind of combine that question with this one of the courage and how I became a medium. And I will tell you that besides getting the guidance and the encouragement constantly from spirit, from my dad to, to kind of put myself out there and just be me. Right? Be free. I have to give a lot of credit to my husband and to my mom because they were both very validating of my experiences. My mom did not believe in mediums. It wasn't that she was anti medium, but she did not believe in mediums. Not in her experience, of course, no. But I had a moment where my dad in a meditation said to me, actually I was not even meditating. What am I saying? I was in the middle of a work project and I felt his presence. And so by now, because I, I was experienced by then, I could kind of tune in and I heard his voice and he said, call your mom, she's sad and eating pudding. And I was afraid to call her.

[B]

Because she's going to.

[C]

I was, I. Well, and I was still in that. This was in the first four or five months, I was still in that. I know I'm connected to him, but what if I was afraid of that vulnerability? And so I, at first I didn't call her. And I felt my dad's non judgmental disappointment. I felt it non judgmental, but he really wanted me to call her. And that disappointment motivated me. So I picked up the phone, I called her and yes, she was sad. Something was broke in the house. It was something dad would normally deal with. She couldn't figure it out and it was bringing about all the grief. And she was eating pudding, it was like in the back of the cupboard. And she just went for it because she was sad. And what do women do when we're sad? We look for chocolate. Right. And when. When I asked her that, yes, I am eating pudding. Why are you asking me that? And I told her, you know, what had just happened. Yeah. And it brought such joy to her. And in that moment, she had kind of known what was happening to me, but I don't know, she fully believed. And that's normal. I get it. No judgment. But in that moment, she believed.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[C]

And. And, you know, from that moment on, she's just been so validating of my experiences. So when you're. When the people around you that love you and that matter the most are validating you, and, you know, hopefully the people that know me, they know who I am and they know my heart and my integrity. I have no reason to make it up. Up. I was living a very nice life before all of this. And that combined with simply all of the nudges from my dad and from spirit to be courageous, to follow this path that I'm being put on, that courage just sort of naturally grew.

[B]

And you went out and started a business trying to help people.

[C]

Yeah, I did. Although I had a mediumship session that, that, that really, for lack of a better word, said, you know, before it was, I'm a medium, I have to accept this. And then I had an experience that I had to take the, the. A personal day off of work the very next day because the experience was so profound. And I said, I can't not help people.

[B]

What was the experience?

[C]

I. I was still in this so called practicing mode. I wasn't offering mediumship professionally, but I was offering mediumship for people I knew, people that knew my story with my dad and that sort of thing. And a woman that was on her own spiritual path reached out to me almost like for a practice, even just for herself. And so as we sat together on the zoom and I'm in my connection, I immediately feel this woman. She's very petite and she's holding all of her shopping bags. And I know she's super petite and she's got these tiny little heels on and she's shuffling around with all these bags. And then she showed me a Virgin Mary statue with art utensils at its feet. And I had the sense of old and then young. Like, I could feel it in my head. Old and then young. And the woman I was practicing with, her name was Mary. She said to me, you know, this actually sounds exactly like my aunt. She has Alzheimer's. She paints Virgin Mary statues for A hobby. And she is super petite, but she's not passed on. She's living in a care facility. I don't really, you know, it's far away. I don't really connect with her, but she's not passed on. But those pieces of evidence were so specific. So I asked her, well, do you mind if we continue? Because this is just fascinating to me now. I'm just curious, right? And this woman helped me feel. She was doing like this with her blanket and was helping me feel her blanket is missing. She wants her blanket and her stuffed animal. She has a stuffed animal and it's also missing. So I communicated all that to the woman, and she got. Just kind of received that all and said, I'll. I'll have to call, you know, my uncle, who's kind of her caretaker, her. And then I felt a man step into my awareness, and he was very masculine. I could feel it. He had a broad chest, and he was real manly. And I. I said, I don't know why, but he's putting on high heels and holding little shopping bags and going, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And she started laughing, and she said, that's my uncle in spirit. He imitated his sister, the woman with Alzheimer's, at the last family party right before he died because she's so petite and is always shopping with all her bags. He put on a skirt and pretended to be her and kind of paraded around our family event. Wow. Well, he was here to take her home, for lack of a better word. And when we wrapped up our call, she called her family. She called me later that evening and said right after we had connected, the care facility had called the family and asked them, told them that they might want to come because their aunt was likely passing away that day. And when they got there to the care facility, she was missing her blanket and she was missing her stuffed animal. And they were able to go find it for her and bring it to her. Now, did she need that to move on? No. But we all want comfort in nurturing at the end of life, right?

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[C]

And so her family was able to be present with her when she passed. This helped me understand there is so much more happening with who. Not only who we are and our souls in human form, but at the time of passing. And it reminded me of my. My moments with my dad at the end of his life. And just the way that both this woman with Alzheimer's and my dad just wanted that care, comfort, and nurturing so that they could, you know, just, I'm going to say p. Pass with more peace and an ease of transition. And because of this connection, her family was able to be there when we passed. And all of this happened, by the way, on January 11th. 11 1. When did my dad pass? 111 on November 1st. It was so profound, filled with so much love. And it just reminded me of my mission to support people in all kinds of ways around death and dying and to be a messenger that we are alive and well and we are always connected to our loved ones here and beyond. And there is nothing but peace and love. And that made me take a day off work, and I had to sit in that profoundness and say, I can't not serve people in this way. And that's when I officially started my mediumship practice.

[B]

So something's very interesting about that story is that you were connecting with someone who hadn't passed yet and who had Alzheimer's. I have heard from other mediums that people with Alzheimer's are there, but they're not at the same time that they are kind of. They're choosing to forget and they're kind of almost. I heard one medium told me once, it's like, yeah, I was working with this lady and their family was super sad that she wasn't connecting, but she was actually dancing with her husband, who had passed beautifully while she was still alive. But her soul, her spirit was doing other things. And this forgetfulness was either trying to forget that trauma in her life could be even past lives trauma. And that was what this was about. What was your experience with that like? Have you come across a lot of that? And does that make sense to you, what I just said?

[C]

Yes. I've had other similar experiences, both people with Alzheimer's and then people that were just in other states of transitioning. Yeah, people. Yes. Yeah, that as well. And it has informed me more on the idea that that consciousness is limitless and we are so bound by breath and body, but our, our consciousness is always everywhere. Right now, my consciousness and my spirit is also in soul form. And actually, I asked my dad once in meditation who greeted you when you passed, because I wanted to know. And he said to me, you did, which made no sense to me in the moment. I wouldn't have invented that, because. What do you mean I did? I'm here in a body, body. But we aren't only in the body. Our consciousness is like this. And so we are also always in soul form. But when you're in coma, when you have Alzheimer's, while I don't have the full scientific understanding, my impression is that our consciousness, those boundaries of consciousness are less tight. And so we're able to have more awareness of the other parts of ourselves that aren't only sucked into this body. And in this moment and in this physical space, we are not only human. And it's not that we'll. We'll eventually be a soul. No, we're already a soul having soul experiences. I greeted my soul, greeted my dad when he died. I didn't have awareness of that in my physical consciousness, but I absolutely, fully believe it.

[B]

So the. From your experience working with end of life and your mediumship abilities, what are the stages of people dying? Meaning? Like, I've heard there's multiple stages. Like, if it's something that's obviously not an accident, but something that's a prolonged, like, hey, we're dying, it's going to be a few weeks, that there are stages in that process where loved ones come and, and pets come and certain things kind of preparing the soul to leave this reality to go to the next one. What is, what's your experience with that?

[C]

I'm going to speak to it more from a spiritual perspective because while I have some training in the end of life stages, but I have, I've. I don't have a nursing or a.

[B]

Medical background talking about it from the spiritual point.

[C]

So from the spiritual. Well, from the spiritual perspective, when we're in that state, when our body is sort of doing a slow transition to physical death, our soul is doing the same thing, a slow transition toward that full, you know, awakening of being out of body. And at times we're going back and forth. It is very common, and I experienced this even with my dad, where our loved one that is passing might have a moment where they're speaking about a moment in their life that was decades prior. But you feel it, they're living it. So as an example, when My dad was passing. There was a moment when all of a sudden, his voice changed. And I hadn't heard that voice since 1984. And he was back on the Air Force base in Germany, and he was talking about the mess hall and the chicken being so good and how they cleaned it up in record time. But he was talking to me like, I'm with him in the experience. While he probably didn't have a recognition of me as his daughter, as Amber, whoever I was that he was talking to, it wasn't me in this. In this moment as Amber, his daughter. And I just played along. And I would suggest to listeners, they do the same thing if you're with somebody that is passing, because it's a way of honoring their soul's transition. Just be with them in the moment that they're in. And so I. I told him, yeah, that chicken must have been great. And then he, you know, laughed. And he was talking about again how they cleaned it up in record time. And eventually you saw him kind of. I saw him kind of snap out of it. And I said, that was a beautiful story, dad. And he actually looked at me funny, like, dad, who are you? And I could see it. It on. On his face and in the expression. He was confused, but it just. He. It didn't matter. He didn't care. And he just kind of went back to his unconscious state. So our soul is making these transitions. It might be revisiting parts in our lives. He also talked about packing a suitcase and having a ticket ready for his journey. He talked about that also before he finally really stopped speaking. So there. There's a piece there we hear from people that have had really profound shared death experiences. We hear of loved ones communicating, obviously, about people that are physically there to take them home. And they'll. They'll talk about that, believe them, because it's real, and that is happening.

[B]

So when they're saying, like, you know, uncle Bob's here to take me.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're like. Like, okay.

[C]

She's. Yeah. No, absolutely. And to me, a part of the evidence for that was that mediumship session I had with the woman with Alzheimer's. Her brother told me, literally, I'm here to take her home. And the evidence was proof in how he showed himself to me. I couldn't deny that, that that client had a. Had a family photo that she showed me with him parading around like his sister in those little high heels with all the shopping bags. We can't make this up. So these experiences inform what's happening. For us at the soul level, way more than what meets the eye for.

[B]

People watching and listening who want to connect with a loved one on the other side and hasn't been blessed with the opportunity that you've been blessed with, with this ability that we all have have. It's just some are open to it, some are, some of it gets open, some of it doesn't. How would you, what would you be your advice to them who are like desperately wanting to connect with their mom, their dad, their husband, their wife?

[C]

Before I answer that, I feel strongly nudged to go back and add a detail and I'm feeling nudged from spirit.

[B]

Go for it.

[C]

Because we talked about people that are having a natural dying process, but I'm being nudged. There are listeners right now that are going well. I'm worried about my loved one. They didn't have that natural dying process. They died of tragedy.

[B]

Sure. Car accident.

[C]

Car accident, murder. What might have you? And I'm being reminded to share and say in those moments as well, we are either helped.

[B]

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[C]

And it's it's not help to the other side because of sadness from the person passing or fear. And I'm being guided in this moment to share this. It's help in the sense of helping that passing person's awareness understand what's happening to them, welcoming them and enveloping them in love and light. And I'm being given an example that I would not remember until this moment of very brief a mediumship session in which a woman died tragically in a car accident. And it was immediate. She was hit out of nowhere, didn't even see it coming. She helped me feel this. This was her evidence as a part of her connection. And her daughter was so worried, you know, what did my mom think? Was she okay? Right. Because she didn't have any of this natural process. And that woman in the session helped me feel that everything was okay. For her, it was like being there and then all of a sudden being in the beyond. But she was welcomed and helped to expand her understanding of what. Of what was going on. So I just want to offer that because not everyone has that slow time, sacred kind of more sacred process.

[B]

No long Runway on that.

[C]

Yeah. So I just wanted to offer that. But back to your question. What can people do to connect with their loved ones that don't have this.

[B]

Type of abilities, if you will?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, my experiences were very much extra, to say the least. One, there's a piece of this, of having the understanding and just developing your own knowing that you are not. We experience the world through the way that our biology allows it doesn't mean that's all there is. Every living thing in this world is limited by what their biology allows them to experience. There are insects that see colors that we don't.

[B]

Dogs listen to.

[C]

Right. So our reality is defined by our biology. So knowing that can provide comfort in the sense that you are limited. Limited. You're limited by what you're able to experience. Yes. Yes. So with that and allowing yourself to be more open because of that to things that might not be your typical way of seeing, believing, feeling. We have to allow ourselves the awareness to notice what is being presented to us. I hear from people all the time that will say, I don't get signs from my loved ones and they're devastated. I'll meet with people for free just to talk to them about that because it matters so much. And I'll. I'll start to ask, well, what do you think you've experienced? And then they'll start to say, well, you know, sometimes when I'm sleeping at night, I feel like the hair is standing up on the back of my head or it almost feels like my neck is being tickled. And they'll go on and on and give these experience. And I look at them and I'll say, let the love in. Let the love in that is your loved one. But you have to be willing to let the love in. So there are, there are. Sometimes when we're. We are experiencing signs and things, we're just shoving it aside and we're saying no to it because it might not be the voice in the head, it might not be the very thing that you asked for, but we can experience connection with our loved one. You gotta let the love in. Also, starting a journey of. It doesn't even have to be meditation. Not everybody loves meditation. But finding a journey that brings you into full presence is really Important for some people. That can be dancing for me while I do meditate. I really come into full presence in myself mostly when I'm out hiking by myself in nature. And then once I'm in that sense of full presence, then you just sit in the stillness and then ask, ask when you're in that state date, show me that you're really here. And then you have to be willing to be open and let the love in.

[B]

That's beautiful. One other thing I wanted to ask you in regards to your loved ones in dreams, they do come to your dreams. I've had many multiple dreams with my grandparents and and loved ones on the other side. What's your experience with that? Have you had any experience with it yourself, with your clients? And how can we connect more through that?

[C]

I love that you asked that. I definitely had in the beginning a lot of dream visitations with my dad. But there would be a quality where I knew it was a visitation versus just a dream. But I actually had a moment where I was told I don't even know from who, from some higher being that was supporting both my dad and I in our connection process. Ask him to visit you in your dream names. And I thought that was interesting. Once I asked, then I started having them. And in one meditation moment, he told me, you're really hard to work through. It's like I could see. It was like he was showing me sorting through the weeds in my dreams. I've also had the understanding that I think our loved ones and dreams will visit us more than we remember. And when he said that to me, it came with the knowing of, I am visiting you in your dreams. I'm trying to make you remember them is more what what the case was. But yes, our loved ones absolutely visit us in dreams. And another great place is in that in between state of dreaming and wakefulness.

[B]

Yeah, there's that you're not fully awake, but you're not fully asleep.

[C]

And that's also a place where in my early journey, I was experiencing connections with loved ones in my sphere. I even had a gentleman who was so fun. He showed me the fridge opening. I was in this dream, like not quite dreaming, but not quite awake state. And he made a joke and he said, tell my daughter, don't drink my special juice. So I reached out to her spirits, do this. And I told her this. And not only was it so joyous and funny, but also highly evidential. He used to concoct up this special drink that was part alcohol, part juices. And he would tell his daughter. Don't drink my special juice. And they would fight over it as adults. This special drink in the fridge. So how can we become more aware of that? The key is mindfulness and being more present in your everyday life. Our thoughts are constantly. How many of us are running from here to there? And our thoughts are like this. They're going everywhere. We have to bring ourselves inward into the present moment. It allows us to be aware of. Aware of more of what's right here.

[B]

Now, I wanted to ask you this because I have a feeling something's nudging me. I don't know what, but something's nudging me to ask you this. You're a really great example of someone who was raised in a certain religion, had a certain amount of dogma attached to that religion, and then now you've transitioned into this more open idea of the universe. But there are many people watching right now who are on that. That brink. The brink of this is the devil's work.

[A]

Or.

[B]

Or I think I want to go. I want to open myself up to this. What she's saying makes sense. What Alex is saying makes sense. And I've been kind of toying with this idea of, like, this other religion path that I've been given isn't feeding me the way it should be spiritually. And I'm curious, but I'm scared. What advice do you have for someone who's on the brink of, like, okay, am I gonna go to hell if I do this? Is this truly the devil's work kind of vibe? Because that's. And I'm using religion as a general statement, but from our point of view as a Catholic, I mean, this is the devil's work. No question about it. You know, in other religions, we look at it very similarly, but I'm just curious. What advice would you have for them?

[C]

I love that question. Thank you for asking. It wasn't hard for me because I did make that transition. And I will also say that I just. I trust my heart. And there was a point when certain things stopped making sense to my heart. And in particular, it was the idea that some people are worthy, some people are damned. Some people belong in heaven. Other people, because simply they grew up in this culture, don't belong. That it. It's not even that I didn't, like, didn't make sense to my heart. Right.

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[C]

And you know, I traveled the world and I'd work with people of all cultures and I felt the human to human connection. So for me, it was me just being aligned with myself and my heart and what I felt. But on one hand, I would say to listeners, do the same for yourself. What really feels true and right in your heart, whatever that is. First of all, if it's, if it is giving you and feeding you some type of love, love, whether that's to stay on your religious path or to kind of expand your view more, follow that. Because following love is following your alignment with your truest self. That's number one. But number two, this is not an either or. It's not an either or, it's a both. And you don't have to give up something entirely to expand the way that you view love. It's not any. It doesn't have to be an either or, it's a both. And I've experienced moments of Jesus in my connection. And not because I was seeking that from a religious point of view, because it just happened that. But that doesn't take me away at all from the other knowing that I've developed from my spiritual experiences, experiences which is that every single one of us is already divine, already whole, already worthy. Everyone. So I can I have more of in some ways a relationship with, in some ways a traditional God and Jesus than I have in decades. Isn't that interesting? And it's not because I'm following the path of what other people might have been telling me. It's because I'm following my heart. And what feels real and true, and what feels real and true is that everything is both. And, and all there is is love. And you are loved. And every single person is loved. It does not matter from which system, cultural, faith or social conditioning, or even how good a bad or a person they are. Everyone is worthy. Everyone is divine, everyone is whole. And if there is something that is founded in Jesus to me, it's that. That is it.

[B]

Yes, absolutely. Preach, sister, preach. It's. And you know, from my own personal journey. I've had a much deeper relationship with Jesus than I ever did as a Catholic because it's just, it's more pure. There's not a much that, the garbage, the mud that you were talking about, it's a lot of that stuff that's been tossed on, on poor Jesus and his teachings. And now I feel much more connected with him. And that opened me up to so many different, different pathways to learn and grow and stuff. But it doesn't have to be either or.

[C]

No. And it's very freeing. Oh, very, very freeing to just sit in the truth of your heart.

[B]

So for someone who's watching right now and going along the same path as that last question, people are watching right now who are curious because if you're watching this and they've been this long in this conversation, they're curious, but still skeptical about this whole mediumship thing. What, what can you say to those people? I'm sure you've run into this.

[C]

Oh, absolutely, yeah. And with total non judgment, I 100% get it. I mean, it's kind of crazy. So I really understand. I'm not here to convince you or anybody. I'm here to live aligned with myself, my truth, my inner knowing, and to do so in a way that inspires greater love in the world. And so if you're skeptical, that is absolutely fine. Seek to have your own experience. But you need to do it with an open heart and an open mind. That doesn't mean being willing to be tricked or trying to, you know, what's the word I'm looking for? We're not going to approach it with sort of, yeah, go ahead and fool me. Expect, if you, if you go to seek your own experience, expect real evidence. Expect things that someone could not just objectively know, but I've also had, had direct experiences of you. Most of the time you get what you're ready for. If you sit with a medium, you get what you're ready for. Most of the time. There are times when spirit will, you know, hit you with everything they have because there's a real a reason for that to happen for you. But most of the time you get where your consciousness is ready for. As I, as a medium of this, have also had to learn to be okay with that because sometimes I can sit with someone and have amazing evidence and they might walk away and go, that was interesting. And you know what? I went to a meeting once in 2011. That was me. I had amazing evidence from the medium and I walked away going, going, that was Interesting. Yeah. I don't know if she could really know that, but it didn't hit me in the same way that it would now. And that's okay. So it's okay. You get what you're ready for. Go in it with an open heart, though, and an open mind as a learner and a seeker.

[B]

So in your work, in your line of work, we've been talking about these kind of beautiful transitions and even traumatic ones, but still positive, if you will, transitions on the other side. But these kind of longer death runways, if we call them. Not everybody is going to be a loving relationship with their dad. They might have a lot of baggage with that dad or a lot of baggage with that mom. They might have been abusive. They've been traumatic. Has your work, have you seen any stories of a traumatic scenario where a father or mother is dying and the child is angry at them and the work has created a healing?

[C]

Yeah. Well, I want to first, in transparency, say my relationship with my dad was not always great. We had some family struggles when I was a child and there was a lot of healing that was needed and that healing was provided to me through all my experiences with him. Him. So I, I actually empathize and get that. And I, I. The reason I share that is because it's one of the things that I think in part, I'm here for as a medium because of my difficult experiences and all the healing that I. That occurred from that I am really accurately able to f. To feel in mediumship those really complex, yucky things and am able to really pass along that person in spirit's genuine now intentions, apologies and what they want to share about their why, specifically from Spirit. And I think my own personal experiences have led me to be able to do that. Well, for those that have these. Have had these traumatic moments with their family members, it's also something that I think, think you have to be. You know, I would ask, are you ready for healing? Do you are. Do you really want to hear the healing message? Are you willing and able and open to experience that healing message? I'll never forget, in the early part of my journey, I had a wonderful lesson where I had a client, her brother was. Was with me. And her brother showed me specifically the way in which he abused his sister. And I shared it with very delicate words because I, I have a lot of care and concern with the client's heart, the same as I am for this person in spirit. I'm very conscious of how my client might experience something by the way I say it and as I relayed that to her, I kind of saw her recoil. She confirmed that that was true. And then he actually said to me, I'm holding back until she's ready to hear my apology. And the sentiment from him was one of great love. It wasn't, I'm not saying anything until she's ready. It wasn't that. And I was able to relay that to her. And just the fact that he heard her, him, I'm sorry, honor, where she was at was healing in itself. And he was right. She didn't want to hear an apology. She wanted to still be angry and mad, and that's okay. But simply him saying that gave her validation of her feelings, which he hadn't done in life.

[B]

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[C]

There are so many instances of honoring not only the spirit, the person in spirit's journey in spirit, but also the client's journey. And most common, the client is ready and can't wait to hear that healing communication from their loved one in spirit. And the loved one in spirit can't wait to provide that healing communication. But when the client's not ready, that also comes across in mediumship, and that's okay, too.

[B]

And you have to kind of dance that line.

[C]

Yeah, you do. And it's okay. Everything is there to serve you as a, a step forward on your path, wherever you are.

[B]

And sometimes it's okay to be angry.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And when the time is right.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

You'll let go.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Yeah. Because if you're angry and you're like, your brother really says he's sorry. Like, I don't want to hear that.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

I don't want to hear that.

[C]

Yeah. And. And it was actually so beautiful because he wanted to validate. That was healing in and of itself. Just him saying, I'm not going to fully connect until she's ready. And that was a healing moment for her.

[B]

Amber, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing.

[C]

Yeah, thanks for asking. My website is www.natureswayopen.com and pretty much on all the standard social medias YouTube, Facebook, Instagram @natureswayopen.

[B]

And if you could leave the listeners with one message from Spirit today, what.

[C]

Would that well, what I already shared, but it's the most important. You are already divine, already whole and already worthy. You don't have to prove yourself to anyone or anything at all. You are loved.

[B]

Thank you so much for being here. This is such a beautiful conversation, beautiful story and hopefully it will be healing for people watching.

[C]

I hope so. Thanks very much.

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I appreciate you and what you're doing.

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To wake up you.

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