NLS 635: What the Spirit Realm Wants Humanity to Know Right Now with Robin Jelinek

Summary

Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 635: What the Spirit Realm Wants Humanity to Know Right Now with Robin Jelinek
Date: November 1, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features returning guest Robin Jelinek, channeler of the Athena group, in a candid and insightful exploration of what the spirit realm wishes humanity to know at this pivotal time. Host Alex Ferrari and Robin (both as herself and channeling Athena) delve into the themes of personal and collective evolution, managing fear in an uncertain world, the mechanics of channeling, and guidance for aligning with your highest path. The conversation is as practical as it is mystical, marked by hope, humor, and the liberating message of surrender and self-acceptance.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Robin’s Journey: From Skepticism to Allowance (04:15)

• Robin shared her evolution since she began channeling, noting a profound sense of "allowing" for where people are on their path.
• She attributes differences in people's behavior to the openness of their chakras and the energy they allow.
• Quote:
  “Awakening can happen like that ... someone can go from a very closed off state to being wide open and to really, you know, expanding in a direction that they're very surprised by. So it doesn't really have anything to do with time necessarily, but the more allowing that we are to others, the more compassion that we offer, the better they can see themselves.” (04:15)

2. The Human Life of a Channel (07:26)

• Alex points out that even those with extraordinary abilities are not exempt from human struggles.
• Robin explains that being a channel doesn’t make her “better than or higher than anyone else” — she remains human, with mistakes and emotions.
• Quote:
  “I really portray that in the sessions that I have with people... It gives them hope, it gives them belief in themselves that they don't need to be a supernatural, perfect person.” (08:27)

3. Enlightenment as Ongoing Process (11:13)

• The discussion challenges the idea that enlightenment is an endpoint.
• Robin (and Athena) clarify enlightenment means deeper non-attachment and faster release, not the end of human-feeling.
• Quote (Athena via Robin):
  “You're just not attaching to it... They've just reached a level of perception and understanding that they are not the human that a lot of people think that they are.” (11:13)

4. Practices for Spiritual Growth (14:49)

• Robin’s main practice: ongoing observation of self, especially at night when something external is blamed for discomfort.
• Once the feeling is observed (instead of blamed), solutions arise naturally.
• Quote:
  “So I offer them freedom. I offer them the understanding that we are not expected to be perfect. We are experiencers and we are to experience not just based upon the life that we're in, but upon that lineage and that history of all the lives that we've ever lived...” (10:20)

5. The Mechanics of Channeling & Light Language (18:33)

• Robin describes being able to drop into trance instantly.
• Channeling is thought-provoked: “Whenever I think about a topic, I get an answer.”
• The emergence of “light language” — a form of channeled, non-verbal communication — marks a broader human awakening in progress.
• Quote (Athena):
  “Communication is going to become what it is meant to be... telepathy only exists at a higher frequency.” (19:42)

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Athena Speaks: Messages from the Spirit Realm

The State and Future of Humanity

(23:12, 24:12, 45:03)

• Athena assures listeners that humanity is in a period of unprecedented upliftment, though cycles of rise and fall are eternal.
• The current "wave" is reaching new heights.
• Quote:
  “We are coming into a time where we are starting to emerge or experience something that has never been experienced before.” (23:12)

On Challenges and Suffering

• Suffering and world challenges are seen not as disasters, but as creative, evolutionary phenomena.
• The key challenge is the frequency of collective worry: focusing on fear expands it.
• Quote:
  “If you look at everything in your life and in the world's life as a creative thing, as an evolutionary thing, ... then you would start to gain the understanding that this is how evolution occurs.” (24:17)

Energetic Shifts and Multidimensional Reality

(27:01-27:45)

• There are potent energetic changes not just on Earth but through the galaxy.
• Innumerable realities and levels exist; humanity is just one expression.

Personal Alignment and Collective Ripple

(27:52, 34:56)

• The best service one can offer: live a sovereign, joyful life and contribute at a high frequency.
• The individual’s frequency affects the collective far more than most realize.
• Quote:
  “The power that one has in alignment is immense. It is massive.” (34:56)

Compassion and Transmutation

(35:30)

• Compassion is the dissolver of negativity; lightworkers naturally transmute lower energies by embracing others without judgment.
• Quote:
  “They can actually be engulfed by it [your compassion].” (36:54)

On Surrender & Trusting the Universe (37:59)

• Fear signals denial of the higher realities already created.
• True power is in surrender — not struggle.
• Quote:
  “If you are one that is fighting for something, you are not assisting in the rise of consciousness. You are not the do gooder that you think you are. You are the one that is holding it back. Go to surrender. Go to believing. Go to letting go... Be accountable.” (49:42)

Free Will, Higher Self, and Disconnection

(41:15, 42:31)

• The universe responds to the frequency of feelings each person emits; free will is how you choose which emotions/frequencies to project.
• Disconnection stems from denying light energy to oneself (via self-judgment and condemnation).
• Quote:
  “You are only disconnected by the denial of light energy that you deny to yourself.” (42:31)

Suffering and Creation

(49:05)

• Suffering arises from belief in lack and not-love; as consciousness rises, those beliefs evaporate.
• Suffering is optional: “Suffering happens when a human thinks and believes that they cannot have, be or do something that they already are.” (48:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Enlightenment is more light allowed into your field.” (08:27, Robin)
• “Telepathy only exists at a higher frequency... as you rise up into the fourth and fifth density, you find yourself in a place where the frequency is quite high. The choices will be happiness, joy, love, expectation.” (20:40, Athena/Robin)
• “[Suffering] is not something that someone has to experience. Suffering happens when a human thinks and believes that they cannot have, be or do something that they already are.” (48:48, Athena)
• “If you feel fear, … it's not because you have something to be fearful of. … You're feeling fear because a reality that is already being is being denied.” (37:08, Athena)
• “All is well. … What is being experienced needs to be experienced. … Surrender is to know that as a human and as a race, you do not have as much power as you think you do in bringing what you want to yourself. You can feel it into existence. But you are not the one who cultivates the experience or exactly how it will arrive. So you may as well give up that struggle. You may as well give up that fight.” (49:42, Athena)
• On love & truth: “Love is truth and it's a frequency of telling it exactly the way that it is. Everybody wants the truth. It's the most loving thing for somebody to receive.” (56:58, Robin/ Athena)

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Practical Guidance

• Monitor the media you consume and your emotional responses to it.
  If something upsets you, step back — you’re expanding that frequency.
• Observation — not repression — of “negative” emotions invites solutions.
  “I am using my anger right now... Now I’m awake, now I’m aware.” (44:37, Robin)
• Living in alignment and joy is the ultimate service to humanity and the planet.
  Cultivate compassion, reduce judgment, and surrender the need to control outcomes.

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 04:15 — Robin’s shift to allowance and compassion
• 07:26 — Navigating human experience as a channel
• 11:13 — Ongoing enlightenment and non-attachment
• 18:33 — Mechanics of channeling & emergence of light language
• 19:42 — Athena's collective message: new forms of communication
• 23:12 — State of humanity and cyclical collective evolution
• 24:17 — Athena on humanity's main challenge: worrying and expanding negativity
• 27:01 — Energetic shifts on Earth and other realities
• 34:56 — Individual choice, compassion, and collective influence
• 35:30 — Compassion, judgment, and the power to transmute
• 37:59 — Power of surrender and consequences of control
• 42:31 — On disconnection and allowing light
• 48:48 — Deeper purpose of suffering
• 49:42 — Athena's timeless message: “All is well... Surrender.”

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Closing Reflections

Robin and Athena leave listeners with a hopeful but unsentimental vision: Humanity is in the midst of an upward turn, yet cycles will continue. By living with joy, surrendering control, and aligning to compassion rather than fear, each person not only transforms their own life but becomes a beacon for planetary evolution. The ultimate teaching? “All is well. Surrender to the unfoldment, and know that you are right where you need to be.”

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Find Robin Jelinek at:

• AthenaInTruth.com
• YouTube & Group/Private Kundalini Activations

Learn more about Next Level Soul at: nextlevelsoul.tv

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This summary captures the heart and practical wisdom of the conversation. For direct teachings, channeled transmissions, and more, listen to the full episode.

Transcript

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[D]

I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion Robin Jelinek. How are you doing, Robin?

[E]

Hi, Alex. Nice to be here. Thank you.

[D]

Thank you so much for coming back, my dear. It's been a, it's been a little bit since you've been on the show, but when you first came on, it kind of opened the floodgates a bit for you back there.

[E]

Yes, it did.

[D]

But I've always loved Athena. I love, I love the Athena group and what their message is and what they're saying. And I think we're needing more than ever these kind of messages of hope and, and, and to put people's fears at rest a little because there seems to be a lot of fears going on. But before we, we jump into Athena, I wanted to ask you what have your views on humanity shifted since you started channeling? Because you haven't been channeling all your life, as many in the other episodes have? No.

[E]

Yeah. What I've really noticed and what I'm really happy about, and I think a lot of other people are probably noticing it too, is a real allowing of people to be where they are and understanding that, you know, people's behavior or the way that they present themselves in the world oftentimes is related to their chakras or the amount of openness that they have to the light energy that's available to them. So they would either be receiving it or denying it based upon the type of frequency that they were holding. And, you know, I, I've just come to understand that there's just a, a path or a journey that everybody's on and experiences need to be had in one way or another in order to move along that journey. And so I've become really allowing of, and less judgmental really of, of people's behavior or where they Happen to be and not in a place of I'm further ahead than you or I know something that you don't know just in an understanding. And you know, awakening can happen like that. I mean it can be. Someone can go from a very closed off state to being wide open and to really, you know, expanding in a direction that they're very surprised by. So it doesn't really have anything to do with time necessarily, but the more allowing that we are to others and, and the more compassion that we offer, the, the better they can see themselves and the quicker they can move along that path.

[D]

What's the most surprising thing that has come through from Athena that just kind of knocked you on your, on your butt and really deep, changed you deeply?

[E]

Yeah, well, you know, recently I think I had emailed you about light language. That's something that I was very surprised at. I've always done sign. I've done the mudras from the very beginning. I didn't really know what they meant. They were applied in sessions at times and to myself, often to my own body when I would do any sit time. You know, I'm forever surprised at. This is a changing process. You know, a lot of people don't understand that channeling is, you know, the same as becoming anything else in your life. If you are a physician or a person like yourself there, you're educating and you're expanding and you're learning new ways to apply yourself. And channeling is, is a lot like that. You cannot really receive higher level information until you can really trust and believe. And so you have to expand yourself in that direction and very naturally things start to unfold. So there have been lots of surprises along the way. You can't elicit a spiritual experience by demanding it, but you get surprised along the way by some really nice magical experiences that I've had in sessions with people. Especially during kundalini activations where we've both been electrocuted or felt the electrical charges go through us. And so there's just been lots of very magical, surprising, exciting things that happen even in a channel's life. But to think that it, it's just going to arrive and that you're going to have play no part in it really wouldn't be accurate there. There's definitely a, a belief in you that starts to build as you do this work and the more that that builds, the more that you're offered in that direction.

[D]

One of the things I love about doing this show is when I speak channels or psychic mediums, people who have extraordinary Abilities who have opened themselves up to the ability to receive. Many people who watch these shows, watch the, watch the content, don't understand that you are still a human being going through a human experience.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Just because you have a direct phone, let's say a direct line to the other side where you could ask questions and they can guide you and, and deep information, profound information comes through. It's the equivalent of me calling up a guru on the phone and having. It doesn't mean that I am now the guru or I am now enlightened, or I am now perfectly and not afraid anything because I have this information. You still have to process as a human. So can you explain to people how you deal with the world as a human being but while still having this extra extraordinary access to the other side?

[E]

You know, one thing I'm really proud about, and I don't know whether to take credit for it for myself or, or from the divinity aspect of myself, is I'm really not attached to it. I really don't find myself to, to know anything or be better than or higher than anyone else. I know that I am not the one that's giving the information that's coming through. And therefore I don't attach to it or claim that I have something maybe that somebody else doesn't have. I really believe that this is something that everyone can do and that through allowing more light into your field, you know, your chakras really do hold the keys to enlightenment. And enlightenment is more light allowed into your field. And you're the one that does that based upon how you feel about yourself in your life experience. What kind of judgment and condemnations do you hold in regard to your. Your free will choice to pick and choose how you feel? Nobody can do that for you and no one should condemn you for it because they've not lived the life that you've lived. And so I think one of the most magical and surprising things for me in this process is that I can be totally human and that I can make mistakes and that I can do things that maybe I'm not satisfied with and then find myself just able to let go of them and accept myself in the way that I felt in knowing what it is to be a human. And I think I really portray that in the sessions that I have with people. And it gives them hope, it gives them belief in themselves that they don't need to be a supernatural, perfect person that loves everything and does everything right. They don't have to do sit time day and night if they don't like it. So I offer them freedom. I offer them the understanding that we are not expected to be perfect. We are experiencers and we are to experience not just based upon the life that we're in, but upon that lineage and that history of all the lives that we've ever lived are contributing factors to the way that we draw concuit conclusions in our life.

[D]

When you mentioned enlightenment, that is a kind of a charged idea nowadays because enlightenment we you know, when you the first time I ever heard the term enlightenment was the Buddha that he found under the, under the the tree and the bounty tree and he was able to find enlightenment and but a lot of people believe that enlightenment is the end goal and then once you reach it, you're done, everything is all good and it's all golden. And but the Buddha and Christ and many of the masters found the quote, unquote enlightenment within their lives, but still lived many years. The Buddha lived a long time after he found enlightenment in your understanding from your channeling and your own spiritual path. Do you believe that these enlightened beings while still on earth are continuously growing even after they read enlightenment because they still are going through human experience regardless of the spiritual?

[E]

Absolutely. They're, they're having feelings, they're having emotions, they're emitting a frequency based upon what they're experiencing. They're just not attaching to it. They've just reached a level of perception and understanding that they are not the human that a lot of people think that they are. And in that perception they're able to very quickly release or let go of and non attach to things that are felt. So it's not that you're going to stop feeling or that you're never going to have a preference. Somebody does something I don't like, I'm going to have a feeling. I don't like that.

[D]

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[E]

But I'm. But now what happens is it leaves the center or the chakra very quickly because the frequency that you're holding in the love of yourself just allows your source energy to enter you. So if you were to describe consciousness as divine, that's what it is. So when I'm conscious, when I'm awake, I am paired with my divine partner. And that flow of that current is going through my energy centers and it's allowing me to not attach. It's allowing the dissipation of the energy that I was holding to create with. Because that's all an emotion is. It's not right or wrong, it's not good or bad. It's a frequency I'm holding in what I prefer. That's how I'm to look at it. And so when I go to the observation of myself, I'm actually becoming the divine aspect of myself, which is creating a flow or a current that's moving through my energy centers, assisting me in releasing emotions that are of a lower tone. Now if I move to an unconscious state, I'm miserable, I'm suffering. That person over there just caused me to feel that way. That person at work is aggravating me and I'm blaming something outside of myself. My divinity aspect will expand my negativity and let me know. No one creates in your experience except for you. If you continue to draw that conclusion, I will continue to mirror you experiences that are dissatisfying to alert you to the way that you're creating in your experience. So there's a very clean, clear program that's going on. And you have an assistive tool which is your consciousness, which is being awake and aware. That's why observation is so important in spiritual development.

[D]

Now, one question I, I don't think I've ever asked, but of a channel and I wanted to hear this from you. A lot of people believe that when you're a channel or even a psychic medium, that is their spiritual practice. That thing that they do the channeling or the being a psychic or being a medium is the spiritual practice. What is if there any spiritual practice that you do that when you're not in channeler mode?

[E]

Yeah, well, one thing I practice on a daily basis is the observation of myself, especially if I can't go to sleep at night. Normally there'll be some kind of a cause I'm blaming it on. I'm worrying about my son, my husband, snoring and making noise. There's something going on that's aggravating me, so I can't go to sleep. And then I move to observing the feeling. And as soon as I do that, I find myself asleep because there is no reason for an outside cause. There's only an inside cause that sometimes before you go to sleep, that's a good opportunity. Opportunity to be reached or to be signaled in how you're creating. And so that's oftentimes where people find themselves feeling a lot of things. But the problem is they blame the outside thing. They start to believe in a cause and therefore they expand it and they find themselves awake all night instead of able to go to sleep. So I kind of lost track there. If you could re ask me that question again of the direction I was heading.

[D]

What is your. What is your spiritual practice other than.

[E]

Oh, okay, yeah. You know, I would tell you. One of the things that I do love about becoming a channel is it kind of has become my spiritual practice. I'm not searching anymore. I'm not seeking anymore. But really, anyone on a spiritual path will reach that point or place that. And that's freedom. That's really what free will is. I have a right to feel. I get to choose in any given situation or circumstance the emotion or the frequency that I send out in regard to it to create a preferred reality for myself. And so once you get that understanding, what are you chasing after? When you open your energy centers, they are the portals that are connected to the wisdom and the knowledge of the universe. So I can really pose a question to myself and get a very satisfying answer just like that. It'll just come right in. And all along with that will my guidance system will kick in and I'll just feel this knowingness. I'll just feel this trust and this belief, and I won't really feel like I need to go any further with that. So, yes, you will fall away from outside influences. You won't feel as though you need. There might be some things like when I. The light language came, I was interested in reading a couple of books about people who also had that occur in their experience, just to kind of reaffirm what I was going through. So there will be some of that that I will do. There was such a huge amount of studying that went on for nearly 35 or 40 years prior to this experience ever coming to me that I had that I would not say was wasted. I think it's really good to have a good base or understanding of broad concepts that have to do with spirituality. It makes this process, especially working with clients, better for you to do that. But there is nothing required. There's nothing that a person has to do to be the. The connecting point is the frequency of love. And you have to learn to love yourself in whatever way you are. You have to accept yourself. And when you do that, the divine has no problem with you at all. It's been there all along at the frequency of unconditional love. And so the minute that you move to that frequency, it has access to you just like that.

[D]

Before we continue, I have to send love to your snoring husband.

[E]

Love to. You know. Wedge pillow. Alex. I got him a wedge pillow. That's what came to me the next morning after I stopped blaming my frustration on him. Then the solution came. This is what happens, you know, when you stop blaming something outside for how you feel. The universe has the opportunity to deliver you a solution which it holds the moment that you feel whatever it is that you don't like.

[D]

Well, we've tried the wedge pillow, my dear. It did not work for me, but I'm so glad it worked for you and your husband. We have other solutions. We. Other. Besides the kicking. Kicking me in the middle of the night, that. That works as well, apparently.

[E]

Yeah, it does work. Roll it over.

[D]

Roll it over. So. So can you tell people how you. What is your process for channeling what you do? You are a trans channel. If I'm. If I'm saying you're a transaction, you go into a trans. And you don't remember much or a little bit here. And they're like a dream life.

[E]

Yeah. So I don't have any leg time. I can. I can go in and out like that. And they're always ever present, especially if I'm thinking about them. So I didn't really understand that in the beginning that. That it was happening all the time. And. And so once it was explained to me that if you're not thinking about it. So whenever I think about a topic, I get an answer. Whenever someone's struggling with a problem in my family, then I get a channeled response or a broadcast that I might use on my podcast or on my YouTube. And so it's a thought provoked. And I think, honestly, the universe is thought provoked. That's what it is. It wants to satisfy. It wants to answer questions in that people are asking. And I think oftentimes people that become channelers are good question askers, which I was from the time I was a little child. I remember laying in bed thinking, what is this all about? Am I going to know who I am when I'm not here anymore? So I was always inquiring or wondering. And those are the types of things that draw the universe closer to you. And you have to understand that the minute you ask, there is a solution, there is an answer that is waiting to arrive to you, but depending on the frequency that you're holding of whether it can actually flow through you or you can receive it. Beautiful.

[D]

Beautiful. All right, so let's spring in the Athena group.

[E]

Okay. We are excited to move with you today. It has been a while. Yeah. We want you to know that the channeling of the Light Language is a little bit different than the channeling of us. When Robin is channeling the Athena Group, what you would call the Athena Group, there is a collective of consciousnesses that she is channeling through myself. Athena. I am the main speaker of the house. You would call me. Yeah. And so what. What actually happens is she steps aside and I come forward so she doesn't have to worry at all about what's going to be exchanged or what is going to be said. But in the Light Language, it involves her trust. It. It involves her believability. And it is an ever expanding process. And it is one that is going to be coming to the plane. It is one that humans are going to use or actually become activated in. Let's use that. It's why it is entering through our teachings at this time. Yeah. So when the Light Language comes, what happens to Robin is she, as Robin knows, she has a knowingness of what exactly is being said, but she has no idea how she could possibly know because the language that is flowing through her sounds like gibberish. And so that is like a training process. It's like a learning process. It is using the Light Language or that exchange that comes through that is not words, but there is a trust, a knowing, a believability. And this is what every human is going to have to move to. They're going to start to understand or to know exactly what it is that another human is intending to communicate to them. And then they will have to believe it, won't they? They will have to trust in it. And that will expand this ability to be bigger and bigger. So what's actually going to happen, Alex, is very exciting because things like your mainstream news or the gibberish or the nonsense we would call it, that people are generally speaking about is going to evaporate. Communication is going to become what it is meant to be. It's going to have meaning, it's going to have truth. It's going to be something that people want to hear. It's going to be an exchange between people that is welcomed. And why is it welcomed? Because telepathy only exists at a higher frequency. It does not exist in the lower tone emotions of the third density of where most humans are presently occupying on Earth. And so as you rise up into the fourth and fifth density, you find yourself in a place where the frequency is quite high. It is high, like what your source would communicate with. And so the emotions that one chooses and picks are of a higher frequency. So what a human will first notice is something that would normally move them to jealousy, move them to anger, move them to frustration. As they go to get that emotion, they will find that it is not located at the frequency or the level of consciousness that they are now holding. And so the choices will be happiness, joy, love, expectation. And so therefore, the exchanges that those will have will be based around those types of feelings that will be the new way or the new earth emerging, you see. And so little by little, the planet is going to improve. The quality of exchanges is going to be higher. People are not going to feel offense because offensive emotions do not resonate at the higher realm.

[D]

What is your perceived current state of the human, of humans? Humanity's evolution?

[C]

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[E]

Yeah, well, we are glad that you asked that question because as you know, we always come across as a hopeful group, as a positive group. And we would say that we are excited for humanity and that we do not look as being disaster, that everything is in a wave pattern. All of you humans think that this is a special time. In some sense it is a special time. But it is not the only time. This wave in humanity, this rise and fall, is something that has eternally happened and going to happen. But what is happening this time is the wave is reaching a new high or a new level. So it is an evolutionary process, isn't it? We are coming into a time where we are starting to emerge or experience something that has never been experienced before. And that is what we would say is the difference or the main factor in the rise in consciousness that is occurring at this time. So there have been many rises and many falls throughout history. You would know that by looking back on your history. But this time you have risen to a level or a height that has not been reached in prior existences.

[D]

What do you see, from your perspective is the greatest challenge humanity is facing now?

[E]

Well, what we see is that anytime that a human is looking at something in dread or in worry or in concern, you are adding to that frequency. And so a lot of people will say, well, you can't look at war and think that it is not a bad thing. But if you continue to look at things as being bad things, you are a contributor to them, aren't you? You are one that is actually expanding the very thing that you are saying that you do not want to see on the Earth. But if you looked at everything in your life and in the world's life as a creative thing, as an evolutionary thing, as an expansive thing, as a needed thing, then you would start to gain the understanding that this is how evolution occurs. This is how the expansion into greater eras actually happens. And so it is needed. Everything in your life is needed. We'll give you a fun little example. A little while ago, Robin went to visit a chiropractor. She had a little trouble with her hip, was bothering her. And when he went to make his adjustment, he decided to do something in one of her ribs. He came down on her arm in an awkward position, and he impinged her shoulder. Moved it out of position. Yeah. She went into a period of six weeks of not being able to sleep at night, being very miserable. Had no idea that a shoulder could cause you so much pain. And as this went on and on, Robin is not much of a doctor goer, but the pain was at a height or level that she could not ignore it. So she went to the doctor and the doctors did an X ray and looked her over and confirmed that her shoulder had been impinged and took the X ray ray. A couple of weeks later, he called her up and he said that he did not see any major damage to her shoulder, that she would probably need an mri. But one thing he wanted to bring to her attention was a demineralization of the bone. Yeah. And when she got that information, she realized why her shoulder had been impinged. She would never go to the doctor. She would never bother looking for a problem. But she was led in unknowingly through this process, through the universe, and she was alerted to some bone loss. She was alerted to something that she actually needed to do something about. You see, and this is what we want to tell you. Did that seem like a good thing when her shoulder got impinged? No, it did not. But as it unraveled, as it unfolded, it revealed to her something that was of a great value or was needed. You see, and this is how we would refer to the rise in consciousness. It is not always going to feel like a good thing. It's not always going to feel like something that is preferred. But as it unfolds, we promise you that is the way of the universe, that there will be a solution that is derived from the suffering that will grant humans great access to higher and better ways of living.

[D]

Are there energetic shifts occurring on Earth that we may not be aware of right now?

[E]

Absolutely there are. You have a universe out there that much of it you are not aware of. And those energetic shifts are affecting the universal part or the galaxy that you are a part of. And so, yes, we would tell you that there is great movement, there is great amount of light flashes that are not occurring just around your Earth, but in other galaxies as well. Yes.

[D]

When you speak of other galaxies, can you go deeper down? Are there other realities other than our own human reality? Not just on the three dimensional level, but on these other levels? I ask because I'm curious.

[E]

Yeah, absolutely. There are. There are innumerable mounts of existences that are, we would say, comparable or have a likeness to what you are presently living.

[D]

What is. How can each person best align with the spiritual energies present at this moment in time?

[E]

The best way that you can align is to live an individual and sovereign happy life. The contribution that you make to the whole and to yourself by creating a universe around yourself in what you prefer actually allows the preferred universe that is already created by what everyone has already felt to start to arrive. So you become an anchoring point, you become a very important vessel that is able to attract in the new reality that is standing, that is waiting to enter. And so the very best thing that you can do is to live the best, best life that you can. To not live in fear, to not look for things to worry about, to not be concerned about everything that you read or everything that you contribute to your happiness is the essential, most creative tool that you have in your toolbox.

[D]

What is the biggest misconception people have about channeled messages?

[E]

In general, we would say that what we tell people when we are in session with them is to engage their guide guidance system. Everyone has one. If you feel as though something is not of resonance, you get a feeling that something is off or not connecting to you, then we say turn the dial off. Yeah. Then move to some other informational output that you do get that connective or resonant feeling with. One feels uncomfortable, one feels any type of a stress in their body. This would be their guidance system kicking in and engaging. Everyone has it. Everyone has the ability to know truth. And oftentimes when we are in an exchange with someone, whether we use light language or whether we are channeling ourselves, we will check in with them time to time to make sure that they are feeling resonant and they are.

[D]

You see what. How do you experience or understand time compared to how we do?

[E]

We would explain time as again, something not existing, something that a human uses to record or to look back on or to remember on, let's use that term. But in the Akash, or what you would call the mastermind or the universal mind, everything exists, everything is accessible and everything is still in the now moment or what you would call perceived as right now or reality when it is looked upon, you see. And so as a human looks upon something, they look at it as going back or going forward, where we would look upon something as all being now or being present or available. Do you understand?

[D]

You were mentioning about earlier about how when you focus on something, it expands. How important is it to be aware of what kind of media we are consuming, what kind of ideas or images or videos or movies or books or anything that news that we're consuming. How important is it to be aware of that?

[E]

Yeah, it is to observe yourself in your emotion. Robin's husband, for example, is a great interest person in history or historic events. He can watch the movies on the Holocaust and different types of warring and he will have no emotive value in regard to them. He is just interested, absorbing the information and is very satisfied, actually Feels good in getting it. Where Robin, on the other hand, moves into an emotional state. She can feel the people. She's upset by it, disturbed by it. And for her, we say turn off the dial. Yeah. So for each human, it is individualistic based upon probably their life experience or what is within them that is causing them to have the reaction that they are having. And so you are to honor that and pay attention at all times. When you apply your focus, are you observing in consciousness? That would mean I'm not emoting, I'm awake, I'm aware, I'm. I'm not creating in a feeling that I have no awareness of. And if I become unconscious, I become sad, I become disturbed, I become fearful, or start to experience some type of a judgment, perhaps on those that contributed to what it is I'm seeing, then I'm moving into an unconscious state. But it is still an attractive state. It's one that I'm creating within my experience. And then would. We would recommend to those people that you do not engage in that activity. Anytime that you. You apply your focus to something where you don't feel good, you are generating a frequency to the universe that you would like more of it.

[D]

You see the concept of the akashic field or the quantum field or qi energy or life force, it doesn't seem to have a negative or positive charge. It just is like the ocean. The ocean just is. It could be very destructive. It could be very creative all in the same thing. Nature is very constructive, disruptive, very destructive, and very creative at the same time. What do you tell people? Or can you explain or go deeper into the concept of that there are universal forces that just are and don't have a negative or positive charge that we are the ones?

[E]

Well, the universe holds the same concept of right and wrong, good and bad. But the frequency that is held by either the individual or by the race determines whether that energy is lifted or transmuted or whether it is actually expanded or pushed into a bigger or worse area. Yeah.

[D]

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[D]

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[E]

You, as a human holding a very high frequency, are becoming a transmuter of energy. So even being in the presence of those in the lower frequency, you would begin to digest and to lift and to transmute perhaps the negativity or the lower tone frequencies that they are holding. So it is one of the reasons that you have the lightworkers that you have or the anchors in place that are actually expanding in consciousness, and their frequency is rising. So in their presence. Presence, even as they are interacting in the world, they are transmuting energy. They are beginning. So the universe, simply based upon where it is located or the frequency that it is emanating from, as it encounters things, it is able to transmute the energy or what it is looking at or what is it experiencing to its own frequency, it can actually lift the frequency and then benefit from it. So it does not look at it as neither good or bad. Do you understand?

[D]

I do. I do. Do the choices of an individual affect the collective more than we realize?

[E]

Absolutely. The power that one has in alignment is immense. It is massive. It is something that is so importantly creative. A higher frequency is. Robin is looking at the Pac man game, gobbling up the lower frequency. Yeah, but the ability, the expansion, you have to understand that a frequency in a higher tone has the ability to emanate out or to expand and engulf. Do you understand?

[D]

So what role does compassion play in transforming the collective consciousness?

[E]

Yeah, that's what Robin was talking about in the beginning. Humans start to move to compassion when they understand that every single thing and being has emanated from one thing which is a source of love. And so, based upon its life experience or. Or its ancestry or what it has actually gone through is what has distorted it or disconnected it or disallowed the flow of it from entering them. And so when one moves into observation and understanding through that enlightenment, more light coming into their field process, they start to begin to understand that these are not bad people. These are not wrong people. These are people who have suffered in their experience. And so the more that you can view someone, one from the light and. And emanate to them a frequency of love based upon knowingness of where they actually come from, even if they are not there at that present time. Remember what we said? The engulfment, or the ability to gobble up negativity, or the frequency that is lower when you are in its presence, can actually occur if you move to any type of judgment or condemnation about another other, then you are actually not a transmuter of the, of the negativity that you are presented with. So just by you having this knowingness and projecting this type of understanding and love and compassion towards someone, they can actually be engulfed by it. You see.

[D]

How do you suggest. Well, first of all, how do you. What do you see for humanity in their future coming in the next year? Five years, 10 years? Because there is a lot of fear around all these changes that are happening around the world.

[E]

Yeah. So if you were to understand that when a human feels fear, it's because they are going against a universe that they have already created. So if you feel fear, Alex, in your own life, it's not because you have something to be fearful of. It's because you have a universe that was created maybe through some fear or some worries, but there's a higher reality that's existing that's trying to enter you. And this. Therefore you're feeling the fear or the energy that is denying its entry. And so it is the same thing when people start fearing what's coming, what's in the world, the state of the world, they are actually feeling fear. Not because that is a reality that has to be. They are feeling fear because a reality that is already being is being denied.

[D]

So that is the core of all these fears that people are having about what's coming.

[E]

Absolutely. Stop fearing it. What are you going to do about it? Yeah. You are to surrender. Anyone heard the word surrender? Surrender doesn't have a condition. Surrender doesn't have any necessarily, power over what's taking over. Surrender just knows. Surrender just gives in. Surrender just allows. And in that allowing, the new world just flows right in, you see. But.

[D]

But Athena, surrendering is very scary for a lot of people. It is something that, you know, we want to want as a human. We want to control. We want to have the illusion of safety. But surrender and allowing the universe to guide us is an extremely scary thing to walk into the unknown, isn't it?

[E]

Yes, but it is important. Why does one move to control? Because they're holding something within their energy centers that they believe is out of their control. And so, as you hold this perception or belief that is not a match, by the way, to the unconditional love that your Source holds to you. Because the Source is the Creator. The Source is the one that is forming the circumstances, the situation, and the things that will now flow to you. You as a human are not the one that creates the experiences you are the one that feels the experience and sends out an emission of frequency in a preferred way of feeling. And then the universe, in receiving that from you, goes about creating an outcome or an opportunity or something that it will flow to you, that will satisfy you. And not only is it, using your presence, present emission of frequency in the life that you're in, it holds this culmination or this all of you, this experiencer that has had many lifetimes and is from many lineages, it has all of this data on you. So when it does flow something to you or when the new Earth does come, it's going to be so much better than what you yourselves think that you are creating, that you are trying to influence. It's going to have the all of everyone in what they have desired and what they have hoped for. And so there is no way that a human in the small perception or life that they are presently in are able to cultivate even a remotely close idea of what that might look like. Because you don't have all the data. You don't have all the experience. You just have the experience that you are presently in. You see?

[D]

Are there unseen helpers offering humanity more support than we recognize?

[E]

Absolutely they are. Yeah. And many of the unseen helpers that you have are you yourself in multiple expressions throughout the universe. And in this time that we are talking about, in this rise in consciousness, you've heard of the collapsing of timelines or the coming together of the aspects of yourself at higher frequencies. And that's what's actually going to happen. And it's going to be very natural. And no one's going to get left behind. Eventually, that frequency of the planet that is rising by all those who have contributed to it, who have created this wave that is now reaching a height that it has never reached before, are going to be carried up with it. And when they get to meet themselves in the higher expression of themselves by the lower expressions that they experience themselves in, they're going to be quite happy.

[D]

So how does our free will interact with the guidance that you or others on the other side are giving us? Because if they're giving us guidance, how does that interact with the free will of us doing whatever we want to do?

[E]

Yeah. So you have an agreement as a human that you will be the experiencer for the divinity aspect of yourself, and the divinity as to aspect of yourself will love you unconditionally in every frequency feeling that you send to it in regard to your experience. And it knows by those frequencies those intricate emotions or emissions of hate of distrust, of betrayal, of anger, of jealousy, of happiness, of joy. All the emotional scale it know, each one has an intricate, intricate frequency. And so it knows by the receiving of that frequency what it is that you prefer by what you have sent. And it knows that because of the frequency that it resides at, it is able to do an adjustment or a comparison. So the universe would be at a very high frequency, and then it would maybe receive a lower frequency tone from you. And it would determine by that what, what it could create, what it would lift that frequency too, to create at its level, an experience that would be very satisfying to you. So you're to look at emotion as a signal. You're to look at it as not right and wrong, as not good and bad, as a feeling that you send out so that the universe knows what it is that you prefer by what you are feeling.

[D]

What can you say to someone who doesn't feel, who feels disconnected from their higher self?

[E]

One of the things that we teach in our activations and in a lot of the private sessions that we do for people is that you are only disconnected by the denial of light energy that you deny to yourself. So anywhere where you are judging, anywhere where you are condemning, anywhere where you are not happy with yourself, you are actually denying the solution which comes through the light, force energy or the divinity aspect consciousness that is trying to flow through you. So if you were to imagine at every moment in your life, there is a source part of it you trying to impress or bring or flow through your energy centers, opportunities, situations, circumstances in regard to each area of your life, it's trying to flow those into you. And then as it comes up against you, it's going to pick up your frequency. And so if you're holding a lot of trauma, perhaps in the heart, a lot of disappointment, betrayal, whatever it is that you might have experienced in your experience, you've believed in an outside cause. I had a nasty husband, terrible parents, somebody did this to me. And though now you have expanded that negativity quite large because you are not claiming it in the I am presence. The I am presence means I am awake. I am choosing the emotion that I feel. And I am the only one that creates in my experience, that's the I am presence, in case anyone wants to know. And so once you grasp this, once you understand I am creating with this energy, you don't have to change it. We're not telling you to not feel something. We're not you telling, telling you to get rid of an emotion that doesn't feel Good. We're telling you to claim it.

[C]

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[D]

And now back to the show.

[E]

I am using my anger right now. I am using this betrayal right now. So now I'm awake, aren't I? Now I'm aware. And when I become aware, I become connected to my source. And the solutions that I starts to reach me. The energy and the frequency of my source starts to come in. And it is the thing that dissipates, the thing that is causing the separation. You see?

[D]

Beautifully said. What insights can you share about humanity's potential over the next 10 years?

[E]

As we said to you, we are entering into new ground. You might even call it higher ground. And so if you were to look at all of eternity as a wave path pattern, as something that is rising and falling, that each time that the ray, the. The wave falls, it may go a little deeper. Yeah. And then it may rise a little higher. And we are at one of these high points, these evolutionary points, or something that is going to be experienced that has not been experienced before. But we are telling you that it is headed upwards. It is headed in a good direction. Does that mean it will stay there forever? This might be a concept that someone doesn't want to hear, but nothing stays. Stays the same. Nothing ever stays at the peak or at the top forever. So it is to understand that you are to. To be. Robin is looking for the word for us. Yeah. You are to be allowing. You are to surrender to the way of the universe and you are to live in the now and in the present moment and to experience what it is that you are experiencing right now and enjoy the highest and greatest value of it. So in.

[D]

In other words, words, everything that we go through as a human in this dimension is cyclical, meaning that it will go. It goes around in a certain kind of like what the Yugas state that the cycle of 24,000 years and now we're on an up cycle. But eventually and this could be tens of thousands of years from now. We will eventually start to go back down to where we were in the Dark Ages and forget and lose and have to do this all over again. But it'll be at a different place. It's kind of like, like moved up.

[E]

The ladder a little bit there. Thus the experiences all going on at one time. Yeah. And so we are in a sense revisiting or recalibrating.

[D]

You see, one question I get asked a lot is how can a person discern between the thoughts of the ego and the voice of intuition?

[E]

So the ego is maintained in the three lower energy centers. A lot of people think that the ego is a bad thing, and it's not. It's a necessary thing. When one believes in competition, when one believes that they need to guard or control, when one gets jealous or angry. All of these types of lower tone emotions are where the ego is enacted because it is needed. You are not in a place of creation where you understand that through your thought and through your likeness that you are able to bring to yourself what it is that you are wanting. So you're still in the efforting stage, you're still in the competing stage. And so this is a good way to detect where you are on that scale of your energy center. So when you're in the three lower energy centers, this is third density. One, two, three. Yeah. This is the area where the competition, where the lust, the not enoughness, the judgment, the condemnation, all of those lower tone emotions are primarily based in third density. As one starts to expand their consciousness, consciousness through. Through the natural evolution. And that's what happens. Everyone, certain people start to wake up or recognize that they are the creator of their experience. Experience. And that starts to allow energy. And when we talk about Kundalini energy, it's really Robin's expertise and really what we have come here to activate or to assist humans in activating. Because that energy is at the base of the spine of every single human. There's probably enough leaking up in the. In the three lower energy centers to keep you alive. And that's why you are struggling. But as the upper energy centers open are capable of holding the higher frequencies, that energy very naturally will start to travel up. And so then the manifestation speed starts to feed up and humans start to become the gods in form that they were meant to be. You were not meant to wait forever. You were not meant to suffer. Suffer is optional. Suffering is not something that someone has to experience. Suffering happens when a human thinks and believes that they cannot have be or do something that they already are. You see.

[D]

Why did you get excited in that last bit?

[E]

Because we use the energy to push. We use the. The denial energy of those that don't understand that concept to rid them of it. You see?

[D]

So then from your perspective, what is the deeper purpose of human suffering? Where so many people have that question in their mind.

[E]

When a human suffers, they believe in lack, they believe in not love. They believe in all of those concepts that are creating their own suffering. When they start to open up, up and they allow more light to enter their field, they will rise to a level of consciousness where those beliefs do not exist.

[D]

So the human suffering is. Is attachment to what they want to happen or what they want to be as opposed to what is.

[E]

Yes.

[D]

Now, if you could leave humanity with one timeless piece of wisdom, what would it be?

[E]

Our biggest message has been and always will be that all is well. And that you are exactly where you need to be as a consciousness, individually and as a planet as a whole. What is being experienced needs to be experienced. What you need to accept is to surrender is to know that as a human and as a race, you do not have as much power as you think you do in bringing what you want to yourself. You can feel it into existence. But you are not the one who cultivates the experience or exactly how it will arrive. So you may as well give up that struggle. You may as well give up that fight. If you are one that is fighting for something, you are not assisting in the rise of consciousness. You are not the do gooder that you think you are. You are the one that is holding it back. Go to surrender. Go to believing. Go to letting go. Go to paying attention and observing yourself and how you feel. Be accountable. This is what we would recommend.

[D]

Athena, thank you so much for being here. And thank you so much for this amazing conversation that I hope will continue to heal and help people for many, many years to come.

[E]

Thank you. It's our greatest pleasure. Good day.

[D]

And she's back. Well, you come in and out. You come in and out so quick.

[E]

I know. It's really quite strange, isn't it? Kind of funny the light language didn't come up. Maybe you kind of talking about maybe it's not that great was a good thing.

[D]

Not that it's not great. I never said it wasn't.

[E]

I'm just teasing you a little.

[D]

I just. We just need subtitles sometimes. If it's a. It's answering a question, that's all. If you would need.

[E]

We can't Leave the broadcast without leaving little crazy behind. This type of communication is galactic. It is something that all humans will be able to eventually tap into and have exchanges with higher levels of consciousness. Not only will you be able to talk to yourselves at higher levels of consciousness, you will also be able to tap into higher frequencies based upon the frequency you hold and have these types of exchanges and conversations. This is what's coming in your future, you see.

[D]

So were they translating at the same time as they were talking?

[E]

You know, I can translate it myself, or I just let Athena do it because I'm so used to just stepping aside. I think one of the reasons that light language was easy for me to get is because it is a form of channeling. The only way I would say that it's different is I become peaked. I become very aware because it's almost like I have to remember what they're saying and allow the repeating of it. It's not going through your brain because your brain isn't. Isn't obviously able to decipher it. It's. I'm told it comes through the heart center.

[D]

That's beautiful. Is beautiful. All right, Robert, I'm going to ask you those few questions. Ask all my guests. There might be a couple of new ones in there that you.

[E]

All right.

[D]

Last time. So what is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[E]

Oh, let's see.

[D]

And by the way, if Athena wants to jump in on any of these questions, by all means.

[E]

Okay. Well, you know, for me, it's. It's the freedom. It's the acceptance of myself, of being a human, of not thinking I have to act different, be different, or strive to be something higher than what I am. That. Because that complete a lot allowing of being able to feel my life authentically the way that I feel it.

[D]

If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Robin, what advice would you give her?

[E]

I'd probably say I'm sorry for. You know, there were a lot of things that happened to me over my life, and I think that they were needed and, you know, now that I look back on it. But, you know, I did have some victimization. I was a chubby little girl and got picked on. And I had some very hurtful experiences growing up when I was in school. And. And I just remember feeling I. I deserved them. But now looking back on that, I realized that the feeling of that I deserved them was coming from a knowing of what I held. I did deserve them. I held unworthiness. I held dissatisfaction about myself. And so I brought it to myself. So even as a young child, I can remember feeling that way. And so, you know, I just feel like I wish I would have understood that I was creating reality back then, but I didn't.

[D]

Now, what advice would little Robin give you today?

[C]

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[D]

And now back to the show.

[E]

Well, I feel like I used to, I would say earlier in my life, hold a lot of things inside of myself. Myself, my, maybe my fun side or, or my impulsive side in, in my personality. I have a really good sense of humor, and I like to swear once in a while. I think it's funny. And so I only let that out around my immediate family. And now what happens is it comes out everywhere. And I used to think that it wouldn't be received, but actually it is. And I realized that I was the only one that was putting the. The bars around myself. And once I decided, decided to not do that anymore, everyone was accepting. Everybody was fine with who I was.

[D]

Rama, I'm going to sidetrack here for a second. Isn't it amazing how the stories that we tell ourselves completely dominate our existence?

[E]

Yes. Yeah. You can blame other people for not letting you be yourself or, you know, you're not doing things because of this or because of that. But, you know, ultimately it boils down to you.

[D]

Now, how do you define God or source?

[E]

I just define it as it's just a knowing. It's just an ever present knowing. Since this process has occurred and this unfolding has taken place, I feel like, and I think I talked to you about this before we started recording, that I'm being pulled or guided in a direction that I, as Robin, would never normally take or do. And then there's this part of me that, that, that just does it, that just accepts it, that just doesn't worry about it. And. And does it even when Robin might be uncomfortable with it. And so I would describe it as a knowing just A complete knowing. Yeah.

[D]

Kind of like starting a spiritual podcast when you've never done anything like that before in your life.

[E]

Absolutely.

[D]

What is love?

[E]

Well, my group says the reason they told chose the name name Athena in Truth is because love is truth and it's a frequency of telling it exactly the way that it is. Everybody wants the truth. It's the most loving thing for somebody to receive. And so I would describe love as wholeheartedly the truth.

[D]

If you could ask God or source one question, what would it be?

[E]

Oh, let's see, where does it end?

[C]

End.

[E]

Probably. And I think the answer is the. It doesn't. But that's hard to. Hard to swallow. It's hard to perceive that, that this is a never ending process that we are involved in. It's never going to end.

[D]

And even more difficult to process is that everything is happening all at the same time. Yeah, that's another one that your head just starts to short.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

When you think about it, how do you define liberation in this lifetime?

[E]

Well, I feel very liberated. I think moving into your truth, not being necessarily guided by or influenced by someone else's opinion of you, feels like liberation.

[D]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[E]

Just to contribute to feel.

[D]

And where can people find out more about you, Athena, and the amazing work you guys are doing?

[E]

Thank you. Yeah, well, I have a website called AthenaInTruth.com and then I also have a website that I share with my son Mike called Athena Universe. There's two different things going on there. They can check that out. My YouTube and podcast are on there. I do every other month, 20 people at a time. I do group Kundalini activations and I do private session activations where primarily my goal and the group's goal is to assist people in removing a lot of negativity that's in their field, that's denying the entrance of the light part of themselves. And so all of that is on the website and they can get all the information there to get a hold of.

[D]

And do you have any parting messages? Because I think Athena already gave us a parting message. But do you have any parting messages for the audience?

[E]

Yeah, well, I. I feel more ease than I've ever felt in my life and I. It's not that I don't care and it's not that there aren't a lot of things going on in the world that one can look at and not feel good as they do it. But I've decided to really move to trust and to have my contribution be one of feeling good. And positive. It doesn't mean that I don't have compassion or send love and appreciation to those that are expanding the universe in ways that might be painful, but I'm really trying to do my best to make my contribution. One that feels good.

[D]

Robin, thank you so much for being on the show again. You are such a pleasure. Robin is such a Robin. Athena is such a pleasure speaking as well. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken this place planet. So thank you.

[E]

Thank you Alex. Appreciate it.

[C]

I'd like to thank Robin so much.

[D]

For coming back on the show and.

[C]

Sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all of us.

[D]

If you want to get links to.

[C]

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[B]

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