NLS 658: He Was an ATHEIST Until He DIED and Discovered WHAT COMES NEXT (NDE) with Anton Grosz

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode 658: He Was an ATHEIST Until He DIED and Discovered WHAT COMES NEXT (NDE) with Anton Grosz

Date: January 20, 2026
Guest: Anton Grosz

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Episode Overview

In this transformative episode, Alex Ferrari sits down with Anton Grosz, whose journey from "devout atheism" to a profound near-death experience (NDE) shaped his career in spiritual care and his philosophy on consciousness. Anton, a former atheist raised in a scientifically minded Jewish family, recounts how skepticism gave way to spiritual awakening following an out-of-body, near-death experience during meditation. He shares how this paradigm shift influenced his work in hospice, his studies of world religions, and the message of oneness and joy he now brings to others.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Anton’s Atheist Roots

• Devout Atheism & Family Outlook

  • Anton's family: highly skeptical, scientifically oriented, and deeply affected by the Holocaust.
  • "I actually call them devout atheists." (04:37, Anton)
  • Grandfather’s perspective: “God is the sum total of man's ignorance.” (04:43, Anton)

• Childhood Morality without God

  • Even as a child, Anton argued that morality didn’t require belief in God.
  • "Oh, Beverly, I just know that's wrong. You just don't do it because it's not the right thing. I don't need God for that." (07:33, Anton)

The Transformative Near-Death Experience (NDE)

• Curiosity Sparks the Experiment

  • Anton's introduction to Siddha Yoga meditation after his brother-in-law's death, initially motivated by skepticism (08:51–12:42).
  • “I kind of was a natural. I felt really, really good at it.” (08:51, Anton)

• The Experience Itself [15:23–20:00]

  • Anton describes intentionally inducing an out-of-body state during meditation by exhaling and holding his breath.
  • Physical sensations: pain, shaking, then euphoria and peace as he perceived himself outside his body.
  • Saw a tunnel of light: “Suddenly I went through... I was in a space of brightness. Unbelievable. Greater, brighter, more incredible than anything I could have ever believed existed.” (17:22, Anton)
  • “At such peace. I can't tell you the peace, the comfort, the joy, the one that... the feel inside while my body is going crazy on the floor.” (18:54, Anton)
  • He describes a sensation of “wires pulled out of my head” and then being “put back in a different place” (20:00, Anton).
  • Returning to his body, involuntarily declaring: “I am reborn. I am reborn in God.” (20:58, Anton)

Integrating the Experience & Its Aftermath

• Facing Family & Community

  • Met with skepticism and concern: “Are you crazy? What happened to you? What's the matter with you?” (21:52, Anton)
  • Cites a formative college experience where he stood up for his own perception against peer pressure as critical preparation for trusting his NDE (23:52–25:37).

• Shift to Spiritual Purpose

  • Felt his life, with all its stages and skills, was leading to sharing this insight of universal oneness: “We're not separate leaves, we're one tree.” (28:23, Anton)
  • “If you tell me it doesn't exist, I can say, well, I've been there.” (29:22, Anton)

Spiritual Care, Hospice, and Lessons on Dying

• Transitioning into Hospice Work

  • Became a non-denominational minister and hospice chaplain after further studies (29:56–32:08).
  • Emphasizes humility and open dialogue about spiritual beliefs in end-of-life care.
  • “For me, the only person you have to fear is a person who says, my way is the only way.” (32:00, Anton)

• Meaningful Moments in Hospice

  • Helping patients and families navigate death with compassion and insight.
  • Moving analogy: comforting a dying mother and facilitating her peaceful passing with “therapeutic touch.”
    “I realized what a blessing I had been given to help her into the next world, like she helped me into this world.” (40:05, Anton)

• Perspective on Regret and Grief

  • Gentle coaching for those struggling—grief often reflects self-focus and attachment.
  • “If you loved her... you should be smiling and happy she was in your life. If you're crying, you're thinking of yourself and what you miss.” (34:24, Anton)

Insights on Consciousness & Existence

• Love and Universe’s Balance

  • After his NDE, Anton sensed the universe is fundamentally balanced—symbolized by seeing Earth as a yin-yang. (41:44–43:57)
  • “Everything in the universe is balanced… the universe itself is balanced, even if it’s coming together or spreading apart.” (43:06, Anton)

• Universal Consciousness

  • Anton discusses “new consciousness”: the sense that ‘I am’—the awareness—unites all living beings.
  • “I am not this little piece of meat, Anton Gross. I am... the oneness of it all.” (46:14, Anton)
  • Teaching: the source of happiness and purpose is living authentically and joyfully.
  • “We are built, we're designed to do what gives us joy. Because the entire creation of the universe was to give joy to the Creator, to the ultimate.” (49:45, Anton)

Death, Reincarnation & Life’s Purpose

• Reincarnation & Soul Agreements

  • Anton affirms his belief in reincarnation and soul blueprints, based on personal memories (46:14–48:03).
  • “We don’t cease to exist, but our connection to the body ceases to exist. And then if we enjoyed having a body, we can come back in another one.” (57:27, Anton)
  • Reflects on childhood prodigies as evidence of past life talents.

• On Death & Advice for the Dying and Families

  • “[Share] a prayer... May what is supposed to happen, happen with no pain or suffering for anyone.” (54:14, Anton)
  • “Any physical thing is going to die... but the consciousness within it, the awareness within it does not come to an end.” (54:39, Anton)
  • Encourages moving towards the light, letting go of fear, and embracing the transition as natural (56:13–57:27).

Humanity’s Accelerated Spiritual Evolution

• Consciousness & Technology Growth

  • Observes a rapid acceleration in both technology and collective consciousness within his lifetime.
  • “We are at that point, and it has been going faster.” (64:08, Anton)
  • “Computers that have less power than what you're wearing on your wrist.” (65:05, Anton)
  • Draws analogy between biological evolution (rocks, plants, animals, humans) and the current leap in consciousness and technology.

• AI and Future Consciousness

  • Contemplates the role of AI as a possible evolution of consciousness beyond biological forms.
  • “Who says that consciousness, the feeling of I am, has to exist in a piece of meat... maybe it could exist in metal and silicon.” (69:14, Anton)

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Notable Quotes

• "God is the sum total of man's ignorance."
  -- Anton’s grandfather, as quoted by Anton (04:43)

• “I am reborn. I am reborn in God.”
  -- Anton describing his spontaneous words after his NDE (20:58)

• “We're not separate leaves, we're one tree... if I hurt you, I'm hurting myself.”
  -- Anton (28:23)

• “For me, the only person you have to fear is a person who says, 'My way is the only way.'”
  -- Anton (32:00)

• “We are built, we're designed to do what gives us joy. Because the entire creation of the universe was to give joy to the Creator, to the ultimate.”
  -- Anton (49:45)

• “Any physical thing is going to die... but the consciousness within it, the awareness within it does not come to an end.”
  -- Anton (54:39)

• “Why would I hurt you if I knew that you were me?... That’s the decision humanity has to make right now.”
  -- Anton (65:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Anton’s Atheist Upbringing – [04:10–08:30]
• Initiation into Meditation and NDE – [08:51–20:00]
• Describing NDE and Returning to Life – [15:23–21:39]
• Navigating Skepticism Post-Experience – [21:39–29:22]
• Transition to Hospice & Spiritual Work – [29:56–32:21]
• Stories from Hospice: Helping Others Pass – [32:42–41:21]
• Discussion on Consciousness & Reincarnation – [41:21–49:45]
• Advice for the Dying and Their Families – [53:49–57:27]
• Consciousness Rising and Tech Leap – [59:24–65:23]
• Thoughts on AI and Evolving Consciousness – [69:14–70:18]

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Further Resources

• Book: Handbook for a New Consciousness: The Next Step in Human Evolution by Anton Grosz ([70:28])
• Website: antongrosz.com ([71:03])
• Monday Meditation Sessions: Meditation Chapel, led by Anton ([71:01])

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Final Message

Anton’s overarching message is one of unity, joy, and the transcendent continuity of consciousness:

"I am, you are, and we are one. That's the way it should be and we should know that."
(71:25, Anton)

He encourages all to seek joy, embrace oneness, and let go of the fear of death—trusting in the enduring nature of awareness and love.

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Transcript

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[Interviewer]

I like to welcome to the show Anton Gross, spelled with gr O S Z just for. For clarification. How are you, my friend?

[Anton Gross]

Very fine. Thank you so much for the. In right hours. My pleasure to be here.

[Interviewer]

Thank you so much for being here.

[Alex Ferrari]

I am.

[Interviewer]

I'm looking forward to going down the rabbit hole with your. With your. Your life story and what you've gone through in life. You're a very interesting character in that sense because you, from my understanding, you were. You were born into a very, very atheist family. Am I correct?

[Anton Gross]

I actually call them devout atheists.

[Interviewer]

That's a new one.

[Anton Gross]

They were amazing. I was 6 years old and my grandfather sat me on his knee and he said, God is the sum total of man's ignorance. Wow. We used to think the son was God. Then we learned how the son works. Now the sun's not God anymore. Someday humanity will learn how everything works and there'll be no more need for God at all. And of course, when you're six years old, you believe your grandfather, especially since he's the loudest one in the family and always wins all the arguments.

[Interviewer]

So let me ask you before we go down, before we go down the path, why, you know, from this, this point of view, this perspective now, you know, you've obviously been around the block a little bit. You've lived life looking back at your family. What, what was the cause of such a devout atheist situation? And not just one person, but it seemed like a bunch of people in your family. What do you think caused that?

[Anton Gross]

Well, I think to a great degree. First off, there was a lot of science in the family. You have to be able to prove it. And people say, I believe in God, I believe in a higher power. Well, prove it to me. Show me. Point to God. You know, you can't do that because it's an inner thing, which I have since learned. But the other thing was clearly it was a Jewish family. And so my mother, my grandfather's daughter, told me if there were a God, which there isn't, but if there were, I'd spit in his eye for what he allowed to have happen to the Jews in the Second World War. So I, as a little boy was told that not only God didn't exist, but if he did, he's pretty evil for letting all this stuff happen. So I think that's maybe the basis for all the things that happened to their ancestors and to their family.

[Interviewer]

But it's very interesting because, you know, I've, I've also known and spoken to many, many Jewish people that came from the Holocaust and, and have experience in it. And you went one of two ways. You either went the way your family went or you went the complete opposite way of believing more in God. And God is the one that got us through it. And God is. And so it's really fascinating to see the perspective of a person with the same event creating these two different, very different, wildly different views on reality.

[Anton Gross]

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And of course, when you're little, you, you have no idea. I remember I'm, you know, five years old and arguing with my friend Beverly, and she says, but if there were no God, how would you know not to kill other people? And I said, oh, Beverly, I just know that's wrong. You just don't do it because it's not the right thing. I don't need God for that. So I didn't believe in a thing. I personally modified my views to agnosticism as I got older because it doesn't, wasn't worth arguing about, you know, and, you know, so forth and, you know. But then of course, when I had my, you know, Epiphany at 8:37, everything changed.

[Interviewer]

So let's go down that road a bit. So for 31st, 37 years, you started off atheist, then you went to agnostic, essentially. And then at 37, you happen to die. You just died.

[Anton Gross]

Been there, done that, as they, as they say.

[Interviewer]

So tell us what happened. What led up to the day, on the day of your death, what led up to your actual death.

[Anton Gross]

Okay, it's really an interesting story and it's, it'll, it goes a little sideways, but, but there was a death in my family. My sister's husband, a young man, very lovely fellow, died early on. And my sister, who obviously was raised in the same family, atheistic family that was, she found solace and comfort in Siddha Yoga meetings of the Siddha Yoga group. And my mother was sympathetic with my sister, but she said to me, will you find out what your sister is doing? Why does she need that religious group? So I talked to my sister and she sent me a book by Baba Muktananda who was the founder of Siddha Yoga on meditation. Now I'm in my, you know, late 30s, I'm 37 years old. the time, hadn't thought about God at all. But I got into this meditation. Hey, let me try it, let me see what it is. And I read it and it always creates peace inside. It was very, very peaceful. And I kind of was a natural. I felt really, really good at it. And so I would meditate. And one night I was meditating just before going to bed because it calmed me down. I had a big day at work tomorrow, you know, the next day and I'm meditating. And for some reason when I was sitting on the camp looking at a candle flame, but I had let all the air out of my body and I don't know why I had done that. I just did and I meditate and suddenly I was below the ceiling looking down at my head and I thought myself, oh my God, if this is me up here, who's that down there? Or if that's me down there, who is this up here? And I took in a breath and I went back in my body and I thought, wow, that's cool, you know, I wasn't afraid at all. And I, being a scientist, right, you know, having to prove everything, I realized, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if I left my body because I didn't have any air inside. I wonder if that plus the meditation is what made me, you know, go, you know, on top of my head. Sure, I gotta do this again and I have to do it. And I'll keep my breath out longer because I'll bet if I stayed out longer, I could have looked around more and seen more from outside. So there was no fear at all. The next weekend, I decided to try it again. My wife is downtown shopping with our daughter. My 9 year old son is playing in, in his room. I decide hey, it's a good day to do it, to leave my body. So I breathe out and I lie on my bed with my hands folded like this. I'm on my on my stomach leaning on my elbows. Breathe in and out three times. Let all the air out and I say I'm not going to breathe again until I'm unconscious.

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[Anton Gross]

Because I knew that the body will normally bring things in now. I didn't do anything stupid like put tape on my nose or mouth. I mean, you know, you know, I'm not that off the wall.

[Interviewer]

Right?

[Anton Gross]

But I said, I'm not going to breathe in until I leave my body again, like I did, you know, last week. And the clock goes around once and the second hand goes around again and I'm beginning to get, whoa, some pain in the body. I begin shaking like I'm in an earthquake. And then I feel like I'm drowning, like in a flood. And then I feel like I'm burning up in a fire. And I later learned that according to the Tibetans, in the writing the Tibetan Book of the Dead, that these are the first three steps in leaving your body and dying. You lose the earth element, the water element, and then the fire element. The next thing is the air element, which I'd already left and didn't have inside my lungs. The only thing holding me to my body was something called the ether element, which sounds pretty nebulous to me. Anyway, there I am. And I'm asking myself, you know, am I conscious? Am I? No, If I were unconscious, I'd be breathing. And I'm not breathing now, so I won't. And I held it out and I held it out and the pain got worse. And I thought to myself, I suddenly realized I was dying. And I said to myself, no, God won't let me die while I'm looking for him. And I said, what? What did I just say? But. And then I saw a little light on the top of my head and it got bigger and bigger. And I thought, oh, my gosh, that must be the tunnel of going through into the light that Raymond Moody wrote about in his book Life After Life. I had read that book and there was another sad thing. My wife's sister's husband, a young man, died from childhood diabetes at a young age. And so she had read Life After Life and gave that to me. And I had compared Muktananda and Raymond Moody, the spiritual and, you know, the, the near Death experience and thought. It was the only, by the way, the only leap of faith I ever took. It was, gee, what if body and mind really are separate? That was, you know, the only step I took. In any event, there I am, this tunnel, this light, you know, gets bigger and bigger, bigger. And I suddenly went through. I have not breathed, of course. It's been over three minutes and no air in the lungs. And I was in a space of brightness. Unbelievable. Greater, brighter, more incredible than anything I could have ever believed existed. And further, there were a feeling of greater number of dimensions. How do you describe. But three dimensions? That was nothing. There are so many more. And it was, you know, incredible. At this point, my body is in such pain. I can't. I took a breath in, I fall off the bed. I start moving my body going around like it's in an epileptic fit. Which made sense because my mother and uncle both had epileptic fits at age 39, and I was 37. But inside, I was at such peace. I can't tell you the peace, the comfort, the joy, the one that. The feel inside while my body is going crazy on the floor. At this point, my wife comes in the room. She is driven home from shopping. Our son, who had looked in the room, has gone out to meet her at the driveway and to put her mind at ease. He says, daddy's not dead. Daddy's not dead.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, that. That puts him. That puts you to ease, right?

[Anton Gross]

That really puts her mind at ease. She comes in. I'm rolling around. And while I'm rolling on the floor, you know, in this peaceful thing, all right, I can't move. I feel wires pulled out of my head like the old telephone switchboard. And then at some point, they get put back in. But I feel them being put back in in a different place. I can't understand any of it at the time. And then when I can finally control my body, the first thing that happens is I am on my knees on the ground. My hands are folded like this in front of my face. And my first words are, I am reborn. I am reborn in God. And I was so embarrassed to hear me say that my God. But my right made a complete right turn at that point. And I knew that everything that people have said about God, you know, it was true. There is a greater reality. It may not be out there where we can physically prove it by Newton's laws, but it does exist. And that's how it happened. That's where my life changed. And from that point on, everything was different.

[Interviewer]

After you came back, how did the people around you kind of deal with.

[Alex Ferrari]

This new version of you?

[Interviewer]

Because you are completely transformed? So how did that. How did you. And then how did you deal with that psychologically? Because it has to be difficult.

[Anton Gross]

Are you crazy? What happened to you? What's the matter with you? Yeah, hey, I experienced it. I've been there, all right? And I know what I experience, and that's true. I've got to tell you one other thing, if I may. One other historical bit which may. And all of this makes me feel that I'm on this path that has led to the writing of this book. That is, you know, that we're here to talk about and the interview and everything else. We. Why. How did I get here? The idea that when I was in. When I was in college, I had an experience which seemed like it was meaningless except now, looking back, and maybe the most important thing that happened, there was a. I was walking across campus, and there's a sign. Psychological testing going on. $5. Hey. And in the early 1960s, $5 was a lot of money, man. So I had nothing else to do. I went in, signed up. I went into all the tests. And the very last room I went into, these were, you know, grad students who had a thesis and needed, you know, some documentation, some, you know, for their. For their pieces. And the very last room I went into, there were five desks, panels with lights on them, and buttons. Red light and green light and a button underneath. And there were four other students who were in there. And they said, oh, here comes another one. We can do it now. We can. We do the test. And the professor said, okay. He said, professor, standing in the corner of the room, he said, I'm going to push a button. This is to test how fast you can go, you know, and your reactions. I'm going to push on. It's going to be the same for every panel. And each of you push the button. If you see green, push the button under green. If you see red, push the button under red. And we're going to keep going faster and faster until somebody misses. And that'll be the end of the test. So we start doing it, and I push red. I push green. I push. And then suddenly, beep. The professor says, oh, somebody made a mistake. And the guy at the end, he says, who pushed red? I said, I did. He says, it was green. You missed. I said, no, it wasn't. It was red. He said, no, mine was green. And the professor said, they'd both be the same, but mine was red. And the woman over on the next side said, well, mine was green and I don't care what yours was, mine was red. And he said, well, you're wrong. All of us had green, you had red. You're calling me a liar? I know what I experienced. And we started, you know, raised fists and went at each other. And I suddenly felt my hand, my arms held back behind me. It was the professor. He said, easy, son, it was red. You were correct. This is not a test for how fast you can react. It's a test to how you handle peer pressure. You did very well. You stood up for what you experienced. Now here, take this chick, go get your $5 and you know, that's it.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the.

[Anton Gross]

Boy. I was so, so upset and I pushed that out of my memory until I had this experience. And then when people said no, you didn't I said, oh, yes, I did. I know where I've been. I know what I've experienced. And I even remember sitting, you know, on. On the couch crying, why? Why, Lord, did I have to wa. To learn that you existed? And I heard this little voice in my head which said, if you knew this from the beginning, how could you have shared it with people who. Who didn't know it? You've stood on both sides of the river now. You can share that experience. So all of this I felt, even from the very. I was born in a place in New York City, a section of New York City called Hell's Kitchen. Oh, yeah. Shows you how far I've come. But, yeah, there's. There are meanings to everything which we do not know. But you put it all together. I also have felt my entire life. I've, you know, I've done so many things in my life, and I've been a writer, I've been a teacher. I've, you know, a college teacher. I've been a sales, and I've owned businesses. I've done all sorts of things. But I always felt that the later in life I did something, the more important it would be. I'm 85 years old. I doesn't get, you know, I'm not going to be around that much longer. How many more things can I get to do this? Maybe this is the thing I was designed for, to experience this oneness of the universe, to realize that we are all connected. We're not separate leaves, we're one tree. And, you know, if I hurt you, I'm hurting myself, you know, and to share this information with others. And, you know, as I said, I've been on both sides, so if you tell me it doesn't exist, I can say, well, I've been there, but we can now talk about that.

[Interviewer]

That's beautiful. That's beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you.

[Interviewer]

When you started to come out and basically your life changed after this experience, you. You also went into work with hospice, if I'm not mistaken.

[Anton Gross]

Correct. I. I began. I was right. I had a. I had a business at the time. I was doing all kinds, you know, things. And I started caring for a fellow in. In our town, in our city, upstate New York. And he said, you know, if you like, you know, the idea of people's soul, you should take care of people's bodies. And I became a certified home care assistant. And then I started, you know, volunteering at hospice. And I ended up in my 50s, going to San Francisco to the California Institute of Integral Studies, where I got a PhD in the evolution of human consciousness. And that led to some people coming up and saying, hey, how would you like to become a priest? Excuse me? Yeah, I'm not going to study well, you know, but. Yeah, but what the five years you've just studied for your PhD is, you know, well, is working for this, the, you know, for this particular temple. So I became a priest. They asked me to. Why not? And right after that there was a, an ad for a. They needed a chaplain for a hospice, but you had to be a priest or, you know, an ordained minister to do it. So things fell into place. And for the last years of my life, that's what I did. Talking to people who were dying. And I consider myself a non denominational minister. You know, that there is no one religion. There are many, many paths. And I love sitting at the feet of somebody who goes, you know, who has a different path and let them tell me what they believe and how they find the oneness and how they find God. For me, the only person you have to fear is a person who says, my way is the only way.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Anton Gross]

But other than that, just open up and listen and learn. It's just so incredible. So, yeah, that's how I spent the last years of my life, helping people pass over.

[Interviewer]

And what, and when you were going through that, doing that work, what are some of the things that you saw or witnessed during that? And were you a little bit more hypersensitive to the spiritual side of things.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because of your experience?

[Interviewer]

In other words, seeing. I'm not saying a shared death experience, but things like that.

[Anton Gross]

That's a great question. No, I agree. It. It really helped. I remember one. There was this one woman who I. I was in, speaking to her and she started. She burst out crying at one point and I said, don't be afraid. You know, it's not pain or, you know, it's not painful. Is that you separate from. She said, no, no. She said, I'm just afraid that God won't accept me. I've been such a sinner. I feel. And I said, excuse me. I said, do you have any kids? Yes, because I have a daughter. I said, if your daughter came to you and said, mom, I've been such a bad person. I've been so terrible, but I'm so sorry. Do you forgive me? Would you forgive her? She said, of course I would. I said, why should God be any different?

[Interviewer]

Mm.

[Anton Gross]

Yeah. If I may share with you, by the way, the. I'll give you one other. And Then I'll share this. This one thing also. We. We work with people after the death of. Of someone, a family member. So there was the one woman who I was working with and. And after she died, I would go see her husband, you know. You know, for several months afterwards, we'd sit, we'd have a glass of wine and talk. I was on duty, don't tell anyone, but I had a glass of wine on duty. But we would talk. And every time we'd mention her name, he would burst out crying, you know. And finally, you know, an insight came to me and I said, excuse me, John. Did you love her? Of course I loved her. She was the most wonderful person. She was the greatest wife. She was. I said, then why are you crying? I said, if you loved her and you think of her, you should be smiling and happy. She was in your life. If you're crying, you're thinking of yourself and what you miss. And you know, this. Realizations like this came out by the experience of being there. I will tell you one other, if I may.

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[Anton Gross]

I was with my mother when she died. I live. Was living in California at the time. She was living back in Massachusetts near my sister. And she had. My sister is five years younger than I am, by the way. And she had been made power of attorney by my mother. Now, I didn't, you know, it didn't bother me, but I did say, why. Why did you take, you know, the younger sister instead of the older brother? She said, oh, she said, yours too, Woo woo. She said, if anything ever happened to me, you'd say, go, go, go, you know, but she'll do whatever she can to keep me alive. Okay, I got a call. I got a call from my sister. Mom is in had, you know, she's in a coma. She's in the hospital, not getting through. I can't handle this anymore. Come out here and do what you can. So I flew cross country. I'm in the room with my mother. I was reading to her. She's in a coma in the hospital room. I'm reading to her from my first book, Letters to a Dying Friend, which turns out to be a westernized version of the Tibetan Book of the Dead with an intro by the Dalai Lama, by the way. But I'm reading to her. And.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Anton Gross]

She's in a coma and I'm doing something called therapeutic touch. Are you familiar with Therapeutic touch?

[Interviewer]

Okay, but please explain it. Please explain it.

[Anton Gross]

Okay. Nurses use therapeutic touch to remove pain from people. It's by running your hands over their body from the head down to the feet to take the energy away from the brain, which feels pain no matter where it is in the body. But when someone is dying, you do it in the other direction. You, you know, you're maybe three inches above the person's body in their aura. And the idea is to take the energy of the person and to have them leave the body from the highest chakra you can find. So you want them to leave from the top of their head when they leave the body, into the next, into their next life. So I was performing this on my mother reading from the book, telling her, mom, we love you. You were a good mom. It's okay to go, you know. And so she opens her eyes, she sees me, and she gives me a look like, you never said a word, but you gave me a look like, oh, he's here, you know, I already told you, you know. So she realized, oh, if he's flown across the country, this is it, you know? She closed her eyes again. We. We made eye contact. I said, I love you, Mom. And I kept with the therapeutic touch, talking to her. You can leave, you know, go into the light. Go into the light. And I could see on the side of her neck, her artery, the jugular, is going boom, boom. And it kept. And it got less and less and less. And in a few minutes, it stopped completely. And I realized she had died. And I turned to go out and tell the nurses that she had died. And three nurses were looking in the room, in the door. They said, I've never seen anything like that before, that it was the most actually beautiful passing. And I realized what a blessing I had been given to help her into the next world, like she helped me into this world. That's beautiful. It was. It was just an incredible thing.

[Interviewer]

Anton, let me. Let's go back into your experience for a second. You saw white light, obviously, and that's something that a lot of people see. But you didn't have a life review. You didn't meet any other people there, other beings there, anything else like that, correct?

[Anton Gross]

That is correct. Okay.

[Interviewer]

But you had this overwhelming feeling of love.

[Anton Gross]

Yes, I did. I did have. There was one other feeling that I had that was absolutely incredible. And it has kept with me ever since after I had come out of it, and I had already said, you know, I'm reborn and, you know, and I'm back. And I was still definitely under, you know, the influence. And if I lean my head one way, I was in the room, in the House. If I lean my head the other way, I went back into space, and I could see Earth become a small ball, which became a yin yang symbol. And I suddenly realized how everything in the universe is balanced, how everything is, you know, not to get political. I don't want to do that here. But, you know, in the old days, I'm. I'm an old, you know, Eisenhower, Stevenson period person, you know, well, before you were born, young man. But, you know, that, you know, when Republicans and Democrats would. Would, you know, have an election, and then they'd get together afterwards and compromise and get things done together. But, you know, and so the balance was an agreement in the middle. These days, you've got extremes in extreme left and extreme right, but from the point of view of the universe, it's still balanced, isn't it? Correct. So it's fascinating thing, and this I recognize you know, at that point that the universe itself is, is balanced, even if it's whether it's both coming together or spreading apart. As one side gets larger, the other side gets farther away. And just the way it's just.

[Interviewer]

Anthony, let me ask you, why do you think, I mean, I'm assuming after this experience, you started to go in down the rabbit hole and started reading a lot and started educating yourself on different types of spiritual. Because you're obviously when you get experience like that, you're like starving for more information. You want to figure things out of what the hell had just happened.

[Anton Gross]

Oh, absolutely. I read all the religious books that I could of different things. Started with the Bible from beginning to end, Old Testament, New Testament. I remember one day sitting in the library reading the quotes of Jesus and I burst into tears thinking, oh, my God, I've just spent the entire day reading the teachings of Jesus Christ. How phenomenal. What a phenomenal way to spend a day. Incredible. But I studied Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, everything. And as I say, I saw all these different ways of being, and that's what the thing that got me to believe that, you know, there are so many different ways. And as I said, the only one to fear is the one who says my way is the only way. Right.

[Interviewer]

So with, with all this experience and all of the education that you, you've gotten by reading and studying all of these different paths, I'm assuming at one point or another you probably got into some of the more esoteric woo woo stuff as well, not just the traditional stuff. But my question to you is, do you believe in reincarnation? And if you do believe in reincarnation, do you believe in a soul's agreement, a soul blueprint that kind of sets your life up according to whatever you decide, the lessons you need to learn? And if you do believe that, why do you think you chose in this life to go down the path that you went down? 37 years of atheism, then all of a sudden reborn one.

[Anton Gross]

I do believe in reincarnation. I have had a couple of memories of previous things. Something happened to me in this life, and it suddenly brings me back to someplace in the past. All right. Do I believe that we choose where we want to be? Yes. Yes, I do. Yes, I do. But the thing is, see, I am at a point now, Alex, where I don't believe that I am this little piece of meat, Anton Gross. Right? All right. I, I, I am now truly believe in new consciousness, which is the awareness that the I am that I feel inside and the I am that you feel inside is the same universal I am. So that when are you. When I get to that point, when someone gets to the point, you realize that I am the oneness of it all. And so this little piece of meat was created to do whatever it, you know, wants to do to be happy. I mean, this is, this is the key, I think, to the whole thing. Also, when I was a little boy, at my eighth birthday, my Aunt Claire asked me, what do you want to be when you grow up? And I said, I want to be happy.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Anton Gross]

And my mother was walking by. She said you can't be happy, you have to be something. Okay, well we've all heard that right? You know, but in truth, I just want to be happy. And isn't that why each one of us was created to be happy. I lead meditation group at the Newark Delaware Senior center, you know, where I live. And I've had them, you know, ask people to meditate on what, what are the things that they do that they're good at, you know, and tell them afterward, you know, if I had asked you, what are the things that you like to do that make you happy, Chances are it would have been the same thing. We are built, we're designed to do what gives us joy. Because the entire creation of the universe was to give joy to the Creator, to the ultimate. I am, if I may, my favorite word. There are so many names for God. And it always bothers the heck out of me that people go to war because you call God a different name than I call God. How I know how that my favorite name of all is Satchitananda. Satchitananda. The ancient Hindu word from three Sanskrit words. Sat, chit and ananda. Existence, consciousness, bliss. I am. I'm aware that I am. Wow. You know, God didn't create the universe because his mother said, get off the couch and do something, you lazy kid. Right. The universal created because I want to. I, I have feelings inside that I can want to turn into the, into the physical. I can create the physical. We do that constantly. We vision something in our mind, whether it's what am I going to have for dinner, you know, to where do I want to travel for vacation? Or boy, I'd like to spend my life doing podcasts, you know? Right, right. Whatever it happens to be, we have that option of putting it into play. One of the saddest things I ever heard was a morning talk show in San Francisco, bring your daughter to work day. And one of the people that brought his daughter and the fellow on the show said, and tell me, my dear, what would you like to. To do when you grow up? She says, I want to work in an office so I can do what I want to on weekends. And I thought, oh my God, how sad is that? Here this seven, eight year old girl who already figures I'm going to have to do something I don't want.

[Interviewer]

Wow.

[Anton Gross]

So that I have time on my and or money to do what I want to do. No, what do you want? What gives you joy? That's where you should be. And as I said, I'm 85. What gives me joy now? Sharing with others the idea of new consciousness, of the fact that we are one, that, you know, it doesn't make sense to hurt each other. Love each other. That's what it's all about Anton.

[Interviewer]

Do you. Do you have a message for people watching who Many times people watch this who have a loved one who's dying, they're dying themselves or they're afraid of dying. What message do you have for them?

[Anton Gross]

For these.

[Interviewer]

These people who are fearful of. Of what. What's coming after this. This meat suit retires.

[Anton Gross]

It's a real. Why don't you give me a deep question? All right? What I used to do, you know, is to talk to people. I came up with. A prayer, if you will, a blessing that was non denominational for, you know, that I used in the hospice. And it was, May, what is supposed to happen, happen with no pain or suffering for anyone. And that's the point. Any physical thing is going to die, is going to cease to exist, whether it's a plant, an animal, a human, a star or a galaxy. Anything physical comes to an end, but the consciousness within it, the awareness within it does not come to an end. So I would tell all these people, and I would share this. In answer to your question, if you happen to see a bright light in your dreams, follow the light, go for the light. You know it's going to happen. You can't fight. One of the saddest things I ever experienced as a hospice chaplain. I go around once a week to the different locations. And there was this one woman who did not have family, but. But had some, you know, medical condition. And she told them, whatever you do, keep me alive.

[Interviewer]

Oh, man.

[Anton Gross]

They put tubes in her. They fed her for eight years. This poor woman was lying in the bed. They put a stuffed animal in her arm. The TV is on in front of her in the home. And because they just do that, you know, whatever else is going on and she's there and our eyes would meet. There was nothing you can do because once you put that tube in, you cannot pull it out legally. So there she was. And you know, that was so sad, and she was so sad. And she was probably thinking, my gosh, why did I want to hang around lying like this, unable to move, unable to eat, unable to do anything but just exist like that, not to be afraid of it. That's the main. That's the main thing. You know, it's like in a dream. You dream, right? Of course, of course. When you dream, do you realize that there's this lump of meat lying there in a bed? I don't think so.

[Interviewer]

No.

[Anton Gross]

We're off. We're doing our thing in dreams. Well, that pretty much what it's like after You've left the body. After what we call dying, we don't cease to exist, but our connection to the body ceases to exist. And then if we enjoyed having a body, we can come back in another one. That's that reincarnation, you know, that, that you mentioned. And if the talents and skills and abilities that I have in this life can be kind of put together and I can carry it on in a backpack with me into the next life, then I can use that and do, you know, do something else, you know, Mozart did not first hear music for the very first time when he was five years old and say, oh, my God, wow, that's great stuff. I think I'll write a concerto by the time I'm six. All right. He'd been there and done that. Sure. All right. Yeah, I played. I played. I started playing violin when I was five years old. When I was six, I played Brahms Hungarian Dance Number five as a solo in a concert. All right. You don't do that if you've never run into music before. I must have been a musician, you know, in the past. It just fell into place naturally. You know, some of the athletes that you see who are just so, so comfortable, so fabulous at what they do, can't be the first time they've been there and done that.

[Interviewer]

You've spoken a bunch in this conversation about consciousness. It's my belief that humanity's consciousness is definitely rising. The frequency of humanity and its. And vibration is rising more so even in within your life, from where the 60s were to where we are now, absolutely substantially different. Where do you think. Why do you think this is happening? And it's. It seems to be happening in an accelerated fashion because within the last 150 years, I think our consciousness has grown farther than the last 6,000 years. And not only through consciousness, but also through technology. Both things have grown so exponentially fast. And it seems like now if you put the two parallels of technology and consciousness next to each other.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the.

[Interviewer]

Every day seems like things are changing so, so, so fast. These last five years have been so much truncated. Change in humanity, whether it be political, technology, you know, it's established like religions and other entities that are starting to show cracks and, you know, falling and systems cracking and all these kind of things. But our consciousness is starting to grow up like conver, you know, when, when Raymond Moody was talking about near death experiences, nobody was interested. It was very, very, very outside. Now everybody's taught, everyone knows everyone. It's, it's in the zeitgeist, go towards the light, all this kind of stuff. So what's your thoughts on that?

[Anton Gross]

Well, I think you're, you're right on that. Evolution has changed and it is changing, changed from the beginning of time on Earth. I mean, there was a time when rocks were the most evolved beings on the planet, right? And just imagine, you know, how long they were there and what an evolutionary leap when plants showed up. Oh my God, we can turn and face the sun, you know, and we can reach down for water. You know, we don't know that we're doing that. But rocks just sit there stoned, so to speak. You know, and then plants, you know, animals, small animals coming and the humans, what a. We can think, you know, I mean, just take a plant, a little animal before us running constantly down from the burrow to the river to drink on the same path every day. And one Day stops and says, oh, my goodness, I don't have to keep going this way. I could go this way if I wanted, or I could turn and go that way. What an evolutionary leap. We are at that point, and it has been going faster. I mean, it just takes human development. If we were living in the 1200s right now.

[Interviewer]

Mm.

[Anton Gross]

Okay. From the time you were born till the time you die, what's the biggest change? You'd see the stone wall between your master's field, you know, the. The lord of the manor and the, you know, and the next lord that's grown, you know, 20, 20ft because you built the stone wall. That's the chain. But look at the changes in our life. Computers, you know, Internet, AI. I started. My wife and I were, you know, studied computers back in, you know, in the university back in the late 50s, early 60s, when we went to school, we walked inside. Computers that have less power than what you're wearing on your wrist.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[Anton Gross]

You know, I mean, this is ridiculous. So and so it's happening, and it's happening so much faster. And that is true with the awareness of consciousness itself. That's. If I may.

[Interviewer]

Sure.

[Anton Gross]

That's what this is about. Okay. The idea that talking about the fact that our consciousness is the same would have made no sense sometime before, but now it does because we're at that place where we realize it's voluntary. Everything up to this, you know, the change from rocks to plants, plants to animals, animals to thinking animals. Right? That's all. They all followed instinct, didn't they? Right. They didn't know what they were doing per se, but humans do. We have reached a level where I can consciously make a choice. Do I want to do this, or do I not want to do this? All right, There's a little thing I came up with. What if they were eyes on the end of the fingers, and they looked out and they saw the thumb and they said, you stupid thumb coming from all the way over there. Take that. And they scratched the thumb, and the thumb got infected, and the infection went up through the fingers, and the fingers got infected because they attacked the thumb, which was connected to them. Would they have attacked the thumb if they knew they were connected? Chances are they wouldn't. Shouldn't humans be that smart? We are not physically connected, but we are connected by our feeling of existence. I am. That very, very feeling of being, of a living, of existing, is the same when you get rid of all the adjectives that make you and me different. You know, when anyone says, I am and Then they said adjectives. Rich, poor, black, white, old, young, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is, male, female. They're just adjectives. Get rid of them all. In meditation we do this, we get down to the feeling of just pure existence. It's the same for us all. Why would I hurt you if I knew that you were me? And that's the decision humanity has to make right now. Now, are we going to survive? Who knows? Does the Creator care? We're here so that we are, you know, can, you know, survive. But I'm sure there are other planets somewhere in the galaxies with other living beings. So if this one doesn't make it, eh, Check that one off. Okay. That one didn't work. We'll do. You know, but another one will. However you bring up another point, there is this other thing that's happening now, and it's happening so fast, it's scaring a lot of people. And that's AI what if. What if as each level of consciousness has grown, you know, rocks to plants, to animals, to humans. What if one of the reasons humans were here was so that we could build a housing for consciousness that could survive longer than humans can? Who says that consciousness, the feeling of I am has to exist in a piece of meat, in flesh and blood maybe. It could exist in metal and silicon and other things. Imagine when the sun gets hotter, right? We know that it's going to turn into a red giant at some point. Well, it will get too hot for flesh and blood, but it may not be too hot for the AI creations that we are putting together now.

[Interviewer]

Who knows?

[Anton Gross]

Who knows?

[Interviewer]

Who knows? So, Anton, where. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Anton Gross]

Well, I would like them to find out through my book, if I may hold it up again.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Interviewer]

What's the name of the book?

[Anton Gross]

Handbook for a New Consciousness. The Next Step in Human Evolution.

[Interviewer]

Beautiful.

[Anton Gross]

And available.

[Interviewer]

Amazon.

[Anton Gross]

Yeah, Amazon. A bunch of other places as well. Online. And Barnes and Noble online. And you know, what have you And I do meditation. I run a meditation session on Mondays in Meditation Chapel.

[Interviewer]

And you have a website?

[Anton Gross]

I have a website. Antongross.com that's a n T O N G R O S Z.

[Interviewer]

Anton, it's been. It has been a pleasure having you on the show, my friend. You have a beautiful energy to you and I. And I appreciate what you're doing to help awaken the planet, my friend. So thank you again for being here.

[Anton Gross]

Well, thank you very much for the invite and I appreciate what you're doing to help spread the word from not only me, but from all others to try to make this a more loving, peaceful planet where we care about each other. I am, you are, and we are one. That's the way it should be and we should know that. Thank you so much.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Anton Gross]

This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. Sunday mornings I've got my game day ritual, coffee, Lucky socks and now New Morning Uncrustable Sandwiches.

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It's all about that 12 gram protein.

[Anton Gross]

Boost with the new Uncrustables Bright Eyed.

[Interviewer]

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[Anton Gross]

Bright Eye Berries got a feisty receiver.

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[Anton Gross]

Soft pillowy, packed with protein and easy enough for Gronk to grab from the freezer.

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Whether you're on the couch, driving to.

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The tailgate or heading to the locker.

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