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Why Your Life is Not Working with Dr. John Demartini
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Why does life sometimes feel like everything is falling apart… even when we’re trying to do everything “right”? In this powerful conversation, human behavior expert Dr. John Demartini challenges one of the deepest assumptions we carry about life:...
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Alex Ferrari
Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose and our consciousness to the next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion. A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your Next Level Soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv, our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I'd like to welcome back to the show returning champion, Dr. John Demartini. How you doing, Dr. John?
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Dr. John Demartini
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me back on the show.
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Alex Ferrari
Thank you so much for being back on the show. You've been on the show twice before. You're one of our early guests back in the olden days of Next Level Soul. I've always been a very big fan of your work and what you've done, and obviously you were introduced to me by the Secret back in all those years ago, but your work is pretty remarkable, what you've been doing, trying to help souls around the world. So first and foremost, I want to just give you my. My heartfelt thanks for all the hard work you've been doing all your entire career.
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Dr. John Demartini
Thank you. That's what I love to do. I don't even think of it as work sometimes. Just doing what I love doing.
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Alex Ferrari
Yes, absolutely. So I'm going to dive just right into the deep end. If someone feels lost right in life right now, how do they know whether they're actually lost or just redirect or just being redirected into something deeper?
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Dr. John Demartini
Well, I think if you were to take something that's round, you're always at a turning point going around it. So at any moment, it's always a turning point towards where you're going. So that would be a general statement, but it's whatever you're perceiving it depends on. If you perceive an event that you think is in the way instead of on the way, you can ask a new set of questions, help you see how it is on the way and turning it into on the way. So it all depends on the perceptions and expectations and the questions you ask and how you perceive life.
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Alex Ferrari
That's a good question because a lot of times you don't see what the universe has in store for you. All you see is like, you just lost your job, or I just broke up with my girlfriend, or I just lost my house. But if you look at it from a. If you look at down the line and look back, which if you've been around the earth a few Times you kind of start seeing that perspective where you're like, oh, thank God I lost my job there. Oh thank God I broke up with that girl. She would have been a nightmare kind of thing.
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Dr. John Demartini
Well, every event has two sides and you can make a heaven out of a hell or a hell out of a heaven, as Milton said. And we have in our brain the cortex, the walnut shell and the nut inside, which is the nuclei. People that function from there are the nutty ones.
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Alex Ferrari
You know many of those, do you?
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Dr. John Demartini
I think we all have moments of nuttiness. Yes, that amygdala wants to seek prey and avoid predator. Yes, it wants to seek pleasure and avoid pain. It wants to eat something which is pleasureful instead of being eaten. It wants support without challenge, ease without difficulty, the pause without negative, the peace without award. It wants a one sided game. But the two sides are united like a magnet and striving for that which is unobtainable, trying to get one side without the other, and trying to avoid that which is unavoidable is a source of suffering. So if we choose to see an event as positives without negatives or negatives without positives, then the amygdala is going to make us have an impulse to seek or an instinct to avoid, and we're going to be an automaton reacting to these misperceptions. But if we ask a new set of questions, which our intuition is constantly trying to help us do, what is the downside to that new relationship that I'm infatuated with, and what is that upside to that person that challenged me or criticized me or hurt me or whatever in mind? If we balance out our equation, we don't have the intrusive thoughts that occupy space and time in our mind from the infatuations and resentments. So if you think about it, when you have insomnia night and you're having all this brain noise going on and all this stuff, you can't sleep. It's because you're thinking of something that's pleasureful that you're fantasizing about, or you're thinking about something that's painful that you're nightmaring about and it's occupying space and time in your mind. Because if it's one, it's prey, if it's the other, it's predator. You don't want to lose food and you don't want to be eaten. So it keeps you awake and alert. Because the fear of starvation, the fear of being eaten is part of our nature inside. Even though we don't call it prey and predator. It's just support and challenge in our mind or positive and negatives. So we have these intrusive thoughts in our brain that occupy our mind and make us have this noise and it stops the message of our inner voice and our inner vision which calls us to do something really magnificent. It distracts us. So when somebody thinks something is terrible in their life and they just don't see the blessings, they can ruminate on that. They can have it keep them up at night. They can choose to be traumatized by it, or they can choose to ask, okay, what is the benefit to this? How is it serving me? How's it helping me intellectually? What am I learning? How's it helping my business? What is it catalyzing? How's it helping me financially? What is it raising the value of? How's it helping my relationship? How's it helping me socially? How's it helping me physically? How's it helping me spiritually? If you ask those questions, the quality of your life is based on the questions you ask. If you ask those questions, you become conscious of things you weren't conscious of and the label of one sidedness can be dissolved and you can see both sides and be freedom. And the moment you see both sides of the event, you're neither infatuated or resentful, neither, you know, impulsive or instinct. And you're out of your amygdala and you're now in your executive center, which according to Scientific American would call the seat of the self.
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Alex Ferrari
So when you were saying that the predator or prey thing when you're sleeping, where would stress come into that?
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Dr. John Demartini
That is stress.
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Alex Ferrari
That's stress.
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Dr. John Demartini
There's only two forms of stress known. You could take any moment you've ever been stressed of any age of your life, any moment in your life. And it's only two forms. The perception of loss of something you're seeking or the perception of gain of something you're avoiding. That's all there is. It's the perception of loss of food and the perception of being eaten in the brain. The brain only sees those two things. Basically, we may call the prey what supports us. We may call the predator somebody that's challenging us, or praise or criticism or giving us money or taking money from us. The outer forms all get in the brain down into the amygdala as simply prey and predator, seeking that which we know, the fear of losing that which we seek and the fear of gaining of that which we try to avoid. That's all stress is. And stress is simply an imbalanced ratio of perceptions. You balance the ratio of perceptions, stress is gone.
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Alex Ferrari
So if you're overwhelmed with work and you've got too many plates spinning in the back, that would obviously be predator in that sense.
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Dr. John Demartini
Or could it be? Well, if you blame something as causing it, instead of looking at the way you're prioritizing your day, if you're filling your day with the highest priority actions and you set realistic strategies in place to achieve something, that same activity, if it's delegated to lower, the lower stuff is delegated to somebody else. It's a catalyst that stress is a catalyst for you to prioritize your life and delegate lower priority things and get on with the thing that produces the most. It's helping you.
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Alex Ferrari
Very true, sir. Very true. Now, you say every once in a while in your teachings that everyone lives according to the hierarchy of values. How can someone discover their values without lying to themselves?
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Dr. John Demartini
Great question. If you just ask somebody their values, which I've done, I don't know, a few hundred thousand people over the last 47 years, I'd have to say that most people don't know their values. They think they do. Okay. And I'll give an example of that before I go further. I was speaking in Johannesburg at the Success summit in 2012. There are about 5,000 people there. I was the opening speaker. I think Richard Branson was the last speaker. And there's a bunch of speakers in between. And when I got up on stage, I said, how many of you, because it was about business and wealth, says, how many of you would love to be financially independent? Will your passive income exceed your active income? Every hand went up. Some people put two hands up. Some people put their leg and hands up in the air.
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Alex Ferrari
Fair enough.
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Dr. John Demartini
And there was a VIP section in a general audience and I said, great. And there was roaring. People were all roaring. Yes, yes, that's what we want. I said, great.
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Alex Ferrari
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Mackenzie
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Alex Ferrari
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Dr. John Demartini
Now, in a really humble manner, how many of you are financially independent where your passive income has exceeded your active income? All the hands went down except seven. Now this is, this is, this is lower than I ever imagined. I would have thought. 20%.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, 20%. Maybe 30.
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Dr. John Demartini
Well, no, I wouldn't say 20, but I would have guessed. Well, there's only 1% of the population that would achieve it.
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Alex Ferrari
Interesting. Worldwide, but that's a much smaller. Even in 5,000 people. Seven.
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Dr. John Demartini
You would have thought that that would have been 150?
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, 50 or 100? Yeah, something like that.
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Dr. John Demartini
57. Wow. And I said, be honest, because financial independence doesn't mean you have your own job and don't work for somebody else. Financial independence is you have passive income exceeding needs of active income. You don't have to work, you work only because you love to seven people. And I said, isn't that interesting? You all claim that you have a value on financial independence. You're all coming to a seminar thinking that's what's going to happen. But only seven people have their hand up. Isn't that interesting? And I said, let me explain to you why everybody get a piece of paper out. And on that piece of paper, I'm going to hand you in a pallet. US$10 million. Every one of you here will be receiving US$10 million. It's a pallet. Picture it in front of you right now. It's sitting in front of you. It's yours. Now on this piece of paper, you have 60 seconds to write the 10 things you're going to do with that money.
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Alex Ferrari
Wow.
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Dr. John Demartini
Right. What you're going to do with that money. You got 60 seconds. On your mark, get set, go. Write as fast as you can. What they're going to do with that money. I said stop. 60 seconds up. Hand it to the person on your left. Everybody there, calculate how much of that money is still an asset and how much has been spent on consumables that depreciated in value or will depreciate in value. Between 20 and 80% of the money was spent on consumables that depreciated, which meant that they had a value on lifestyle versus not financial independence. And when they think of financial independence, people who market financial independence sometimes put fancy boats, fancy cars, fancy jewelry, fancy stuff to appease their fantasy instead of actually teaching ground them on the fundamentals of building wealth. So I said, if 20 to 80% of you just bought things, then you don't have a desire in your hierarchy of values to build wealth. You have a desire to spend it on consumables that depreciate. So unless you have a change in values, you are not going to be financially independent because the hierarchy of your values dictates how you manage money. And every decision you make is based on what you believe will give you the greatest advantage over disadvantage according to your values at that moment. And they all kind of got quiet. Oh, oh. I said, now you can either accept that you're not going to be financially independent or you can have a shift in values today. We can shift that. If that's of interest to you. I'll be glad to share with you how that can be done. Because a lot of people live in the fantasy that they know what their values are, but then when you actually look, it's your life that demonstrates your values, not what you say. It's not what you say. It's what you live.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, let me. Let's dig into this for a little bit, because that's a fascinating idea. Now let's. Instead of turning it into building wealth, let's turn it into spirituality.
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Dr. John Demartini
Sure. Spirituality.
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Alex Ferrari
Because so many people claim that they want to be spiritual and they want to be closer to source and God or whatever it is, whatever they call it, and yet they don't do the work. How can you. Because our audience is very obviously heavily spiritual, and they're searching for spiritual guidance and spiritual ideas, and they're trying to figure this whole insane thing called life out. But I've discovered through my experiences and myself included, early on, where you put on the suit, the character, the facade of I am so spiritual. You and I both know people like this.
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Dr. John Demartini
Yeah, of course. Our songs.
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Alex Ferrari
We've all done that at moments. No, there's always a. We come and go from character to character.
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Dr. John Demartini
Exactly.
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Alex Ferrari
In clothing and suits that we put on and off. But there's a lot that will say, I'm so spiritual. I'm so spiritual. I'm so spiritual. But when I. When a team member of mine shows me an email from a. From a customer who. I literally had an email the other day, it was fascinating. They were berating us because we just couldn't get to them fast enough. I'm like, it was Sunday. We were off. We're a small company, so on, and they just. We got bombarded with like seven or eight. Just. It started to get nasty, got nastier and nastier. But at the bottom, her tag was peace, love and whatever and spirituality or something. And I was just like, wow. So it's one thing to put yourself out there as someone who's spiritual, but to walk the walk is a whole other conversation. So how would you frame that in the same kind of framing that you just did with the wealth?
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Dr. John Demartini
You know the story of Guru Nanak, or at least one of the many. He goes to the Kaaba.
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Alex Ferrari
No, I don't know that one.
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Dr. John Demartini
Okay. So Guru Nanak, who is the head of the Sikh movement, founded the Sikh movement. There's a story, and there's variations of the story. So it's probably not a true thing. I think it's a metaphor. But he supposedly goes to Mecca, the Muslim Kaaba, before they restricted it. Sure, people could go there. And he's laying there with his feet facing the sacred rock and the wall, and the people of the Muslims are irate. Sure. You can't put your feet to the sacred stone. This is sacred. This is godly. You can't put your feet in the direction of God. You have to submit and humble yourself and prostrate forward and face God. You never turn your feet that direction. And he said, oh, if you can tell me where God isn't, I'll put my feet there.
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Alex Ferrari
That's a good story.
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Dr. John Demartini
Okay, Now Einstein said something really, really nicely. If divinity was omnipresent, then where is God not? It's in every experience, he said, it's in every act, every experience. We go along with our human judgments and label it good or evil, spiritual or not spiritual. And then we sometimes over the months or weeks, years later, we find out, ooh, it wasn't what we first thought. It was actually something that was helping us in our development, growth. So it was spiritual, but we didn't see it. So I'm a little leery about boxing in spirituality because there's pairs of opposites in the world. There's a great book that of the Old and New Testament that William Burr wrote called Contradictions of the Bible.
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Alex Ferrari
That should be fun.
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Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. And what he did is he took every quote in the Bible that said this and then every quote that said just the opposite of this in the Bible. Yeah, yeah, throughout the Bible. And it's a nice book. My mom introduced it to me when I was about 18, I think. And so people that have one belief will read that part, people that have the other belief will read that part. Both will believe they're spiritual and they are. But the thing is, is that person over there will think they're not spiritual and that person over there will think they're not spiritual because it doesn't match their idea what the spirituality is. So I'm not. I found many years ago that I was trying to be kind of one sided, nice without mean and kind without cruel and positive without negative and this kind of thing. And then I found out that those repressed sides eventually surfaced. And when I was really honest with myself, I found I had all of them. Of course, I went through the Oxford English Dictionary 41 years, almost 42 years now, and went through and underlined every behavioral trait that I could find in the biggest dictionary I could find there were 4,628 traits I found. I literally isolated them out. And then over on the side I went over and who is it that I know that displays that trait more than anybody I know? And I put their initial out there. And then I went inside myself and I went, okay, John, go to a moment where and when you perceive yourself displaying or demonstrating that same behavior, that same trait, action, inaction, and identify where you did it, when you did it, who'd you do it to, and who perceived you doing that. And I kept doing that until I could see that I did it as much as the most extreme people I knew. And when I did, I kind of woke up and realized nothing's missing in me. I have all the traits, I have all the behaviors, and it's only the traits I'm trying to get rid of that make me feel empty and that make me attract events in my life to help me see that I have that trait to humble me from my pride and to lift me from my shame so I can be authentic and whole. So at the level of the soul, nothing's missing in us. At the level of the senses, things appear to be missing in us. It's the things that we're too proud or too humble to admit that we've seen others, but we don't see in ourselves that are the emptinesses that drive us, the experiences to eventually discover. That's nothing missing to wake up our soul.
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Alex Ferrari
Would you agree that we are all walking around life with the story that we have built our foundation on? We have a narrative, not just one story, multiple narratives that build our foundation. And then occasionally, as you get older, that narrative starts to shift. I assume things that you believed at 18, you don't believe now, they're evolving. Evolving, Correct. Some, though, they might evolve, but as long as they evolve within the same field, in the same box. Because there's one thing, you can have this story and evolve within that box. But when there's another box out there who's saying, well, wait a minute, that's not it. That's where wars start. That's where.
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Dr. John Demartini
But that's also where rigidity is softened because
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Alex Ferrari
we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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Mackenzie
My name is Mackenzie, and I started a GoFundMe for the adoptive mother of a nonverbal autistic child. The mother had lost her job because she wasn't able to find adequate care for this autistic child. So she really needed some help with living expenses, paying some back bills. So I launched a GoFundMe to help support them during this crisis. And we raised about $10,000 within just a couple of months. I think that the surprising thing was by telling a clear story and just like really being very clear about what we needed, we had some really generous donations from people who were really moved by the situation that this family was struggling.
- [26:13]
Alex Ferrari
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
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Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
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Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
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Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Alex Ferrari
Awesome.
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
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Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
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Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. The second we think we know what that divine nature really is and what that spirituality really is, we just boxed ourself in because Michael Montaigne, a French philosopher, traveled all over the world trying to find A universal morality. And he found that in time and space, over time, things that were considered good over here were considered bad over here. I mean, right now, for instance, we have in some Middle Eastern traditions, older men and very young girls are married.
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Alex Ferrari
Absolutely.
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Dr. John Demartini
In our country, that's prison, correct? Yeah. So is it good or evil in that culture? It's normal. This culture, it's not. So the question is, is spirituality limited to a culture, a language, a time, a space, or is it omnipresent? And does it include? Is it inclusive? Is it exclusive? Is it based on our limited understanding? Is it based on something transcendent to that? Is it imminent? Transcendent, Fear based?
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Alex Ferrari
Not fear based.
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Dr. John Demartini
Is it emotionally based and judgment based, or is it love? Empedocles outlined, he's the one that gave rise to the four elements, fire, air, water and earth. Right. This is back 6th century BC and he basically said there's love and strife. Love is the integration of the elements, and all the elements are pairs of opposites. And strife is the dissimilarity in the differences between the elements seen. Heraclitus came along and said that there's a hidden order in the unity of opposites. There's an evidence of love in the opposites, but there's judgment when we see one side without the other. So when we first meet somebody, we'll have a first impression, may not be the whole, it may just be the part we see. If we're infatuated, we're blind to the downsides. If we're resentful, we're blind to the upsides. We have intrusive thoughts. Our amygdala runs us wild. We seek and avoid. We're an automaton reacting to our misperception and our expectations. But then, if we get to know that person, days, weeks, months, years, we find out that the person we infatuated with had downsides called marriage. And the person that we thought was terrible catalyze some of the greatest growth in our life. So which one is it? It's neither. The state of unconditional love, which is the authentic self, sees neither. But the inauthentic self sees either one or the other because the amygdala sees one or the other and is frightened of losing one and frightened of gaining the other. Lives and gain and loss. Illusions. The master lives in a world of transformation and honors the transformation and sees it all part of the spiritual experience. So the question is, at what level is our awareness? There are some people that are living very much in the amygdala and their idea of black and white and good and evil is way down here. The people at the top have a very broader perspective. I sat with Sheikh Fahdhallah who is a scholar, Muslim scholar, and we had a very great conversation in Cape Town, South Africa for about two hours. And he's a very cosmic being, very aware. And he studied, he knows the Koran by heart. And I've also met people when I was doing a movie called oh my God and I met jihadists that are really radical and really polarized and really black and white. Both of them reading the same book, interpreting it differently. Same as you see in Christianity and Judaism you see the same thing. Almost every group of religious instruction has fundamentalists and universalists, more amygdala based and more executive based. And so it's all, you know, where's God? Not? It's all part of the divine. If we know how to ask the right question, to see both sides of the event and not have the illusion of our instruction and our moral hypocrisy stop us from seeing the whole. So it's about asking really broad questions to see how whatever's happening, how is it helping me fulfill my spiritual mission.
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Alex Ferrari
I never actually thought about that. But you're absolutely right. In every spiritual path in philosophies, it could be Confucianism, it could be Daoism, it could be Buddhism.
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Dr. John Demartini
There is the fundamental, there's absolutist and
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Alex Ferrari
black and white and then the gray and the gray. So yeah, there's the mystical Christians and then there is the fundamental Christians. Exactly that. Take literally the Bible.
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Dr. John Demartini
The mystical is one that's attempting to gnostically communicate with the divine individually, the Gnostics, and they may use the traditional beliefs of that particular faith to guide those descriptions. But the fundamentalist is more of a literalist and they take a particular text and they read it a certain way and they, there's literally a hell, there's a literally heaven hell and stuff like that. But I always say thinking makes it so, you know, hell is basically when you're ungrateful for the order of your life. And heavenly is when you actually can see the hidden order and you actually see there's nothing to. As long as we're infatuated with somebody, we're going to want to change ourselves to be more like them and be in their life. Think about the first weeks you get in a new relationship and you're highly infatuated. You'll sacrifice what's important to you to be with them for Fear of loss of them. But after you resent them and you now want to get away from them, you'll sacrifice them for you. When you're infatuated, you'll almost sacrifice them as a homicide. When you're on the narcissistic side, when you're really angry at them and resentful to them. But those aren't who they are, that's not who you are. When you're too humble to admit what you see in them, that's an imposter syndrome. When you're too proud to admit what you see in them, that's an imposter syndrome. When you come and realize that they're both sided and so are you and you actually bring those into the balance. Now you're at the soul, the state of unconditional love, not the state of judgment. And that's what Empedocles was trying to say and Heraclitus was trying to say.
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Alex Ferrari
It's fascinating because you're absolutely right where when you are infatuated with somebody. I remember back in. I've been married for many years, so I haven't had that for a long time. But early on, especially when I was a young, young man, you would do anything. You sacrifice, you sacrifice to be with that person. And then you put on this perfect mask and everything which can't, you can't hold.
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Dr. John Demartini
It's non sustainable, it's not sustainable, it's futile.
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Alex Ferrari
And they do too, depending.
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Dr. John Demartini
Yeah.
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Alex Ferrari
And so then this thing start to crack and then.
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Dr. John Demartini
Well, no, the fantasies crack.
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Alex Ferrari
Right. That's what I mean.
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Dr. John Demartini
The truth about you and them emerge and that is the path of the unconditional love. The path of the unconditional love says that I see both sides of you if you meet somebody. There was a beautiful little Instagram spoof the other day. I saw 103-year-old woman's being interviewed by this individual and her husband is like 100 and they're on the show and he falls asleep on her chest right over your breast. And the guy's interviewing and says, how long you been married? And said 80 something years. And he said, well, did you ever think about divorce? She said, nope, not once. Murder? Yes, murder. She said, I thought about murdering every day for these last 80 years. What a great life. But the guy fell over his chair, he's laughing so hard because the reality is our amygdala wants a pleasure without a pain always. But our executive center knows that's not real. And it knows that if you're going to grow and Reach the soul, the state of unconditional love. You're going to have to embrace both sides of the individual. You don't need to get rid of part of you to be loved. You don't need to gain something or lose something to be yourself. But people think they do in these facades and these imposters. And they think they need to put on this facade for fear of loss or put on this facade that's tough for fear of gain.
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Alex Ferrari
But haven't we given away so much of our power in so many different areas of our life because we're always chasing, at least most are always chasing pleasure without the work.
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Dr. John Demartini
Well, that hedonistic pursuit has a thing called hedonic adaptation. I first found out about this about 41 years ago also, that striving for pleasure without pain will be futile. As Kipling says, the pleasure and pain, though distinguishable by the senses, are inseparable in actuality, can't separate them. Because the very thing that you have pleasure of, the fear of loss, of it is pain. The very thing you have pain about, the fear of gain of it is pain. But the fantasy of loss of it is pleasure. So you can't separate those. You know, if you got your ex boyfriend coming over, that's painful. The fantasy is to escape him. If you got your new boyfriend coming over, if he leaves you, that's painful. So pleasure and pain are inseparable. And Nax Agora said that again 2,500 something years ago. He said you can't separate the two. They're lopsided perceptions. They're incomplete awarenesses. When you see both at the same time, you actually see what's actually there. Actuality is different from reality. Reality is that what you realize through your senses. Actuality is what's actually there. It's what's actually there. And when you're actually there at the soul, there's nothing to seek or avoid. You're just present and empowered with fulfillment.
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Alex Ferrari
John, let me ask you. So many of us are, you know, looking for our purpose of what to do while we're here in this insane video game that we're all walking through this insane movie or play and we're looking for our purpose. We're looking for our quote, unquote, soul calling. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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- [37:43]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [37:46]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [37:47]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [37:50]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.
- [38:05]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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Alex Ferrari
Awesome.
- [38:18]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [38:23]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
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Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
- [38:33]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [38:37]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
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- [39:33]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. What do you how do you discover what that is? Or do you build a life that's aiming at towards it in some way. Like, how do you find. Because so many people are lost, they don't know what to do. They're just doing the nine to five. They're doing the rat race. They're unhappy. And there's like, you know, I have this great job, or I have this bad job, but you know what I really want to do is I want to sing, or I want to be an artist, or I want to open up a business or whatever that is. How. How can we find that soul calling or that purpose within us?
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Dr. John Demartini
That goes back to the question that I didn't get to answer that. I'll answer that. You asked about how you determine values. Everybody's got a set of priorities, a set of values in their life. It's a hierarchy of values. Whatever's the very highest on the value, the thing that's most important, the thing that's highest in priority, the thing that's most meaningful, most fulfilling, most inspiring, you're spontaneously inspired to act on it. You don't require any external motivation to do it. It's like a boy with video games. He doesn't have to be motivated to do video games, but he has to be motivated to do his chores and homework. So whatever's high in your value, we spontaneously feel called to do. We are inspired whenever we're doing our highest value. The blood glucose and oxygen goes into the medial prefrontal cortex and there are spontaneous action potentials that spontaneously fire there that help bring gamma synchronicities in the brain, which are confirmations of authenticity. Your ontological identity revolve around your highest value. Your teleological purpose revolve around your highest value. Your epistemological area of expertise, revolve around your highest value. That's where you're going to excel. So knowing the value, the highest value, and setting sail by filling your day with the highest priority. Action daily is the highest priority thing anybody can do to fulfill what's meaningful to them and that is what they feel their purpose is. In my case, it's teaching. I teach every day. I do podcasts every day, or write every day, or do consults or meetings or, you know, I'm teaching every day. That's what I love doing, researching and teaching. So that's what I feel my calling is on this planet. I've been doing it 53 years. If you have a mother whose highest value is her children taking care of those children, if you asked her, who are you? She'll say, I'm a mother. That's her ontological identity. Mine would be teacher. I worked with a lady who was a three time gold medalist in pole vaulting. You ask her, who are you? I'm a professional pole vaulter. I'm an Olympic medalist pole vaulter. If you meet a person that's running businesses and entrepreneurs, highest value is entrepreneurship. I'm an entrepreneur. So your identity and your purpose is an expression of your highest value. So knowing what that is is the first step in acting as it. And when you're living according to your highest value, the blood glucose and oxygen goes into the forebrain where you're most neutral and objective. The medial prefrontal cortex sends signals down and uses GABA and glutamate transmitters to calm down the amygdala's vicissitudes, all the emotions of the of the amygdala and calm it down and help us see both sides simultaneously. Where we have reason and objectivity and we're not swayed by the impulses and instincts of our animal nature. And that's our soul nature, that's our angelic nature, which is the messenger of the light and state that we have inside. So when we live by our highest values, we have the closest thing we have. And in Scientific American, I think it's September, October 2022, there's a fantastic article that they describe the medial prefrontal cortex as the seat of the self because it's where we have the most integration and integration information theory, the global workspace theory shows that's where we have the most integration and neutralization. That's where we're most unconditionally loving in a state of grace. That's where we have gamma synchronicities and aha moments and tears of gratitude and gestalt in our brain when we function from it. So determining what's highest on a value is the first step in opening the doorway to a purposeful, clear calling in life. Now, I didn't get to answer that from the earlier question, but how do you determine the values if you ask people, I assure you, I've done millions of these, you're not going to get an accurate answer. But if you ask them a set of questions that kind of hit them from a back door, you can. Your space is a great indicator of what you value. If I gave you a gift and it had zero value to you the second I left this room, you toss it.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah. You say, I got you, I got you.
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Dr. John Demartini
If I gave you something like cufflinks that say love and wisdom on them, that guy gave Me, because I told him a story about the day I met Howard Hughes, and he told me, there's only two things they can never take away from you. It's your love and your wisdom. Those have meaning to me. So they travel wherever I go around the world. These cufflinks. So there's a thing called intimate space, individual space, social space and public space. And proxemics. The more proximal it is, the more intimate it is. The more 18 inches around you, anything that's extremely valuable, you keep there. The more it is distal, the more it has no value. So you can look at somebody's space and look at where they spend their time most and what they fill their space with most and what it represents and get a really good indication of what they really. Because every decision they make is based on what they believe will give them the greatest advantage over disadvantage in that moment. Every perception, decision, action is based on their values. Now, the second would determine it is time. You find time, make time, spend time on things that are valuable to you. You procrastinate, hesitate, and frustrate on things that don't. So you won't miss your podcast. You know you're gonna do those podcasts, but you might miss some social function that's not really inspiring to you that you come up with or go to
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Alex Ferrari
the gym, I'll miss a gym or
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Dr. John Demartini
the gym, or something like that. Exactly. Whatever's low in your values, you'll procrastinate, hesitate, frustrate, and whatever's high in your values, you'll discipline reliable and focused on it. And a discipline is a disciple of your soul, if you will. That's when you're being almost authentic to what its calling is. So your time and your space are great indicators of what your life demonstrates. And what many people do is they compare themselves to others, envy other people, think it should be that, and then beat themselves up when it's not that, because it's what it is. Instead of honor what it is, they're trying to be second to being somebody else instead of first being themselves. The third indicator is what energy they have. Whenever they're doing something that's high in their values, their energy goes up. The mitochondria in the prefrontal cortex fire. And there's vast amount of energy sitting in that area. The second we do low priority things, our mitochondria shut down and they start actually going into a danger zone and shut down, they start to disassemble. So when we're living by our highest values, our Energy level lets us know it. We have more energy at the end of doing something that's meaningful. If you're doing a great podcast, you're energized. When you're done, if you're doing it, it's like, oh, that was a long one. We weren't energized. You weren't engaged. So anytime you're doing something that's extremely meaningful, inspiring, and it's really high, and your value or energy goes up and it goes down. If you're doing anything low on value, and the reason it's doing that is to let you know that you're not being authentic to yourself and you're not delegating those job duties to somebody who is inspired to do it. And you keep doing something that's devaluing you. Because anytime you do something low on your values, you devalue yourself. Anytime you do something high on your values, you value yourself. The fourth one is money, and I just used that as an example earlier. The hierarchy of your values dictates your financial destiny. If you have a higher value on spending all your money on your kids, it will go there. It won't go towards financial independence, it'll go towards having great kid experiences. If your highest value is on the house, it'll go there. If it's highest on travel, it'll go there. It's on food, it goes there. The hierarchy of your values dictates where you spend your money. So where's most your money going? First, second, and third most. That tells you where your highest values are. And the one that goes most is where your highest one is. So when I was in my 20s, I was buying 40 to 70 books a week reading, because I read at least four to seven books a day. And in the process of reading, books were everything. Classes, seminars, education.
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Alex Ferrari
You prioritize that.
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Dr. John Demartini
Man, I always had money for that. But I didn't have money to go party. I didn't have money to go do this things that other people want to do. They had a different set of values. So your hierarchy of value shows in your way you manage your money and where your money goes. The fifth one is, where do you bring the most order and organization to? I walk in your studio. It is highly organized and ordered highly. It's a beautiful studio. This is important to you, obviously.
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Alex Ferrari
Thank you.
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Dr. John Demartini
Because the discipline and the order of this is really evident because I pay attention to these things. And so you tell me where you have the highest order in organization, and people will say, well, I don't have It. I'm a mess. No, not in your highest value. It may be your social calendar that's highly organized. It may be your workout routine. It may be your spiritual rituals, whatever that is. It may be education. It may be being with your kids every single day. It may be going and making sure you're fit. But you have an area that's highly organized. Your calendar is probably very organized in making sure that you get to exactly what you're going to do on what day because that's where your high value is. Then you also look at where you're most disciplined, reliable and focused. You will not let yourself down on your highest value. I will do a seminar. I don't care if I haven't slept in a day or two. I will still do my seminar. I won't let that down. I've never missed a seminar in 53 years. So I, I'm. That's something I just do. My research is daily, but I'll procrastinate on some of the other stuff. I don't cook. I haven't cooked since I was 24. I haven't driven a car in 35 years. I don't do that.
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Alex Ferrari
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- [50:00]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [50:03]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [50:04]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [50:07]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
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Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [50:22]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [50:34]
Alex Ferrari
Awesome.
- [50:35]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [50:40]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.
- [50:50]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [50:54]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [50:58]
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- [51:50]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
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Dr. John Demartini
I learned that anytime you're doing high priority things, your self worth goes up. Anytime you're doing low priority things, it goes down. So why would I want to do low priority things? I delegate that to people who'd love to do it, surround myself with those people and get on with what I do. That I'm excellent at, my core competence that I'm inspired by and that liberates yourself from a whole lot of drama and tragedies and crazies and amygdala behaviors that you get. So you look at where you're disciplined. The next one, next three are what are you thinking about, what are you visualizing and what are you affirming? Internal dialogue about how you would love your life to be that shows evidence of coming true. If there's no evidence, it's not high in your value. If it's not what you would love, it's not high in your value. So don't tell me something that is showing up, it's not what you love. And don't show me something you would love, it's not showing up. But what is it you would love that's showing up in those three areas that tells me what's valuable? Because if it's really valuable, you make it happen. This is valuable when I Walk in, I see all the posters and I see all the equipment and everything else. You've put your money into it, you put your effort into it. You're not gonna let anything stop you from achieving what's in that area. It shows up in here very obvious. But maybe in your workout, that's not priority.
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Alex Ferrari
I mean, I'm trying, but you'll do it.
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Dr. John Demartini
But that second, if somebody comes up and says, will you do a podcast or a show or a new movie, you'll pass that up easily for that movie, I'm sure.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, but the thing is that when. Yeah, but when I was a young man, physical was.
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Dr. John Demartini
That was a different set of values.
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Alex Ferrari
That was.
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Dr. John Demartini
Values are changing.
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Alex Ferrari
Oh, yeah.
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Dr. John Demartini
I had to.
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Alex Ferrari
I had to look good, I had to feel good, I had to, you know, all that kind of stuff.
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Dr. John Demartini
You found a mate.
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Alex Ferrari
Yeah, until I. And then you let yourself. And then you let yourself go.
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Dr. John Demartini
She's probably good cook. She's a very good cook. But the reality is that the hierarchy of values is dictating these things. So the next one is, what do you externally converse with other people about? So people come up to me and they say, well, Dr. Demartini, how's your kids? What does that tell you? Children are important to them. How's your business? Does that tell you? How's your golf game? What does that tell you? How is your exercise coming? How's your investments? People will lead the conversation to what engages them most. And you are leading conversations, conscious or unconsciously, towards what is inspiring. And if they. People converse about it, you get engaged and forget time. If you're talking about something else, you're like, gotta go. So what do you want to converse with other people about most? The next one is what is it that inspires you, that brings tears to your eyes when you're doing it, and what's common to the people that brings tears to your eyes when you're interacting with. So in my case, studying the great philosophers and the Nobel Prize winners and the great thinkers and everything else, that's tear jerking to me. To study their lives and how they thought the way they did and come up with solutions, or seeing people do extraordinary performance and achievement at young ages. Tear jerking. Oh, I love that stuff. So because that represents what I'm dedicated to, how do I maximize human awareness, potential and performance in life? So that's really in line with my values. So that's a tear jerker. So I use the tear jerking inspiration as a guide to authenticity. Back to the soul. It's a Confirmation of the authenticity of the soul. The next one is what are the three most consistent, persistent goals that you're dedicated to that you are actually bringing into reality? It's coming true. Slowly but surely they're coming true that you have not given up on, you just keep persevering on. And that's why you're doing what you're doing with the podcast. You're gonna reach millions of people with that podcast. You got a message. Man with a mission has a message. You're gonna bring that out there and you're gonna do it in visual and you're gonna do it in auditory and you're gonna do it clean. And it's gonna be a special that's gonna change their lives. So that's obviously comes through. Cause I can see it just walking in this place. And the last one is, what do you study, read about, learn about and keep wanting to feed your mind. What are you watching on YouTube? If you look carefully, you'll see that it's got a pattern to it. There's a certain area of the bookstore you go to, a certain area in the Amazon, you keep going to certain things you like, reading certain things you watch on YouTube, there's a pattern. What's that core? If you go through and answer three answers to each of those 13 questions, those 39 questions will reiterate and then you take and count up how many answers are reiterated. The most, the second most, the third most. It'll give you a bang on shot if you're honest with the answers. Bang on shot of what's really important to you, what your life really demonstrates, not your fantasies, not what you think it ought to be, but what it actually is.
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Alex Ferrari
Well, you mentioned something in regards to that pole vaulter, the gold medalist. And you were saying, like if you ask her, oh, I'm a, I'm a athlete or I'm Olympian and the other person was an entrepreneur. I found it and I want to hear what you're thinking about. This is, I found it when I was growing up, coming up, I associated myself as a director, filmmaker. And as long as my career was going well, I was good. But when that career wasn't going well, because I associated wholeheartedly with my career, my life was in shambles. So how do you balance that?
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Dr. John Demartini
Your hierarchy of values are changing based on the pains and pleasures that you experience. So if you associate enough pleasure with something, it goes up on the value list. Enough pain with something goes down on the value list. So you ran into a situation as a Director. Either you were doing things in administration that you didn't really want to be doing and it was bogging you down, or you ended up having an expectation that was elevated and it didn't live up to. You saw it as a failure instead of as an opportunity to do like Edison and just go and read and do the thing. And so that painful wound, if you will, or that association would make you withdraw something from that direction, but not obviously forever, but it would withdraw from that. And you'll then go off on a tangent, trying out new things that will add more value to what that real calling is eventually again. So you'll go and learn new things about business or new. Learn things about delegating or new things about managing people or whatever, and you'll come back to it because you realize that that was a part of the business that wasn't inspiring to you, that needed to be addressed. And either you had to learn it or you had to delegate it. Now, I found it's more efficient to surround yourself with people that know what they're doing and not have to go through the learning curve because you'll run out of time otherwise. So you surround yourself with people that are masters of what they do to do the things that you would love to delegate so you can get on with doing what you love doing. I don't do anything but teach, research and write. That's about it. I don't do anything else. I don't have any other responsibilities. I just teach, research, write every day. These are the three things I love doing. The rest of it I delegate to experts.
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Alex Ferrari
John, I have to ask you.
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Dr. John Demartini
Oh, by the way, somebody said, well, that's because you're independently wealthy. No, I became independently wealthy because I did that.
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Alex Ferrari
Right.
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Dr. John Demartini
You weren't born. No, I was 27. I learned about delegation, and my life really catalyzed. I was broke at the time, but I was just coming out of school. I had massive debts and I mean, all kinds of stuff. I learned to delegate, and I became wealthy because of that, because I went on and did my core competence to stay to my core competence and will follow my calling.
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Alex Ferrari
John, I want to ask you because you're such an interesting character in this world. I love you, man. Because you. You obviously are very in the mind. You've read so much, many books, and you teach and you're on the mental level, but you're also extremely deep person with connections to the soul and spirituality. How do you balance that so well? Because a lot of people will go so hard into the academic, that they lose the soul or they go so far into the soul that they forget I gotta live on this planet. You know, how do you do that?
- [59:33]
Dr. John Demartini
Very simple. I believe that the wisdom of the ages is both spiritual and mental. I don't see them as separate. I don't see that. I don't see. I'm a scientist too. I don't see. I've studied 300 different disciplines. I don't see science interfering with spirituality. True science and true spirituality can't fight pseudoscience and pseudo spirituality. And the biased black and white dogma of both fight interesting spirituality because there's dogma in both. I'm going to make a statement that may be shocking to some people, but remember, where is God? Not where is the intelligence of the universe, not if it is in the quantum field. Let's just say that it's the quantum field and there's a panpsychism, let's say a Spinoza or like Einstein. He said, it's enough for me on a daily basis to sit and contemplate the intelligence that permeates the universe. That's his idea of God. That's a spiritual quest. Sir Isaacing Newton was a scientist who figured out the principia, the gravitational laws, movements of the heavenly bodies. He was deeply dedicated to his spiritual quest and studied alchemy also. And he was very, very fascinated by it. But he was an incredible scientist. Some of the greatest scientists I know are very deeply committed to this. And think about this. If there was no inherent order in the universe, we can never make a science. We would never even waste our time pursuing it because it would be all random. And there's no way of finding any laws of the universe.
- [61:05]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, there's no rules.
- [61:05]
Dr. John Demartini
No rules of the universe. So the really deeply committed individual. I was just with Peter Daughtery the other day, he's a Nobel Prize winner. We had a great conversation. He reminds me of me when I'm older. And he said I remind him of him when he's younger. So he's very, very funny guy. Very, very bright, Very bright polymathic, very, very well read. But he said, it's the pursuit of the magnificence of the universe that drives us. It's the acknowledgement. Einstein said, I just want to know how God thinks. Newton said, I just want to know the divine master master plan. Swedenborg says, I just want to know the divine master plan. They were very deeply spiritual mystics, but at the same time, scientists grounded very strongly because true science is just a way of honoring the mystical path.
- [61:54]
Alex Ferrari
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- [62:30]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi Dan.
- [62:33]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [62:34]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [62:37]
Dan Morgan
Hello, I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [62:44]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [62:52]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [63:05]
Dr. John Demartini
Awesome.
- [63:05]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [63:10]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247365 wow.
- [63:20]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [63:25]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [63:28]
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- [64:20]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [64:24]
Dr. John Demartini
When you study the laws of the universe and you go deeper into the laws of the universe, you get to people like Schrodinger, who was a mystic. You get to Max Planck, who was a mystic, you get to, you know, some of the great. Dirac was a mystic. He was studying Heraclitus and studying philosophy. You get to people that are probing the mysteries because that's what they're doing in science. So true science and true spirituality are not fighting at all. They're really the same thing, in my opinion. And that's why I explore as many disciplines I can, because to me, that's the highest spiritual quest and the highest spiritual honor is to. To know what the universe is made out of, how it's structured, how it works.
- [65:02]
Alex Ferrari
And that's the thing that so many people think that, oh, this is all just by accident, or there is no organizing idea or power behind it all. But there are so many rules that there's certain things that are unbreakable. Rules.
- [65:17]
Dr. John Demartini
Well, that's the law. Universal laws are unviable. Human laws are unlivable. We come up with all these little moral constructs that are just trivial.
- [65:26]
Alex Ferrari
And it changes decade from decade.
- [65:28]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah, it's changed culture from culture. You know, smoking was terrible now, but it was once cool. They used to have cool cigarettes.
- [65:35]
Alex Ferrari
The doctors used to go. The brand that I smoke is.
- [65:38]
Dr. John Demartini
I read a book, the Serpent and the Staff. Oh, I longest. It was about the history of medicine. It's a fantastic book. And it showed that at one time, Coca Cola, that had cocaine in it. Yes. Opium, morphine, opium, caffeine, sugar. They were sold there as a marketing to bring people into addiction to build the business. That's where you went. You went there to get that stuff. You got the cough syrup that followed with opium and codeine and pleasure. Right. Everything that was there that was sold pleasure was sold as treatment. So they started out with refining operations for surgery, which is removing evil spirits. And they came in with potions to get rid of evil demons or whatever. So they started out spiritual and became sort of a science, but it's really still based on that spiritual quest. How do we bring order to. They call them orderlies in the hospital, try to bring order to people's lives.
- [66:46]
Alex Ferrari
Beautifully said. Now, I wanted to touch upon trauma because so many people, not one of Us gets out of this, none of us get out of this alive. That's first off. Secondly, every one of us has some sort of trauma or pain that we go through in life. That's part of the rules. That's a universal law.
- [67:05]
Dr. John Demartini
Yes. Pain and pleasures conserve through time and space.
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Alex Ferrari
Absolutely. So can trauma actually be a spiritual advantage? And if so, why does it feel like punishment while you're in it?
- [67:16]
Dr. John Demartini
If you live in the illusion that life has a one sided thing and you're trying to get a one sided system, the pursuit of a monopole will create a bipolar condition and you'll basically be trying to avoid pain and seek pleasure all your life. You can't. It's a waste of time even pursuing that, trying to do that. Because they're inseparable. As I said, the pleasure of the person that you infatuated with, enamored with, is the pain of the loss of them. If they go away or they criticize you, it's terrifying. So that pleasure is the pain they can't. The second, when you're neutral to somebody, the pleasure and pain is now neutral. But the second you have a pleasure out of it, you have the fear of loss, the pain of loss. The second you have a pain about something, you have the pleasure of leaving. The pleasure of loss, the pain of being around somebody you hate is the pleasure of escaping. And the pain of the person you like is the loss of.
- [68:06]
Alex Ferrari
So is that what Buddha was trying to say, when attachment is the root of all suffering?
- [68:09]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah, the Buddha was saying that the desire for that which is unobtainable and the desire to avoid that which is unavoidable is the source of human suffering. And that's the attachment. The attachments are all the intrusive thoughts of the things you infatuate and resent, all of the distractions from being present and whole, the soul. So I really believe that we have the capacity to transcend it. But trauma is not what happens to us. Trauma is based on what we expect and how we perceive it. I'll give you an example. If I put your hand here, I don't know if anybody can see this here. If I take the hand here. Yes. And I take a sledgehammer. I got a big sledgehammer. Yeah. Boom. Slam it.
- [68:45]
Alex Ferrari
Sure.
- [68:46]
Dr. John Demartini
Just slam your finger.
- [68:47]
Alex Ferrari
Sure.
- [68:49]
Dr. John Demartini
Just flatten it. You're gonna go, whoa, whoa. You go, wow.
- [68:54]
Alex Ferrari
I'd probably do more, but yes.
- [68:55]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. You want to punch me? You'd want to punch me with the other hand. Yes, punch me. Oh, man. You go, what's the heck? Because your expectation didn't think that was coming and you thought that's negative without positive. But now let me add a few twists to it.
- [69:09]
Alex Ferrari
Okay?
- [69:09]
Dr. John Demartini
Situational ethic here. You're not motivated by money, are you? Are you motivated?
- [69:14]
Alex Ferrari
Not really.
- [69:15]
Dr. John Demartini
Not really.
- [69:15]
Alex Ferrari
Not anymore. Okay, not anymore.
- [69:17]
Dr. John Demartini
But let's just say I was gonna offer you a billion dollars. Billion. Cash. Sure. And you could donate it to any spiritual quest you want. And you are going to have when I'm through, you're going to have an enlightened mind that that's able to be present and appreciative and inspired.
- [69:35]
Alex Ferrari
Oh, so you're giving me both the material and the spiritual.
- [69:39]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah, both of them. Yeah. And I'm giving you a non stop flood of the best movie opportunities that you could ever dream of coming your
- [69:48]
Alex Ferrari
way with a billion dollars. I can make my own, essentially.
- [69:51]
Dr. John Demartini
Sure. So you can make your movies and be spiritual.
- [69:53]
Alex Ferrari
Whatever I want. I can make Avatar.
- [69:55]
Dr. John Demartini
Sure. If I told you I'm going to. I have a magic wand and that's coming. If I get to slam that finger, it's all yours. Wow. If I slam that finger, that will be sore for about a week, maybe 10 days. The black and blue will be gone, It'll be back to normal, just like I've done as a carpenter, smashed his thumb many times. But if I gave you all that, you put your hand down there and slam away.
- [70:22]
Alex Ferrari
Interesting.
- [70:24]
Dr. John Demartini
So the expectation and the perception change from the same exact act, slamming the thumb. So it's not the slamming of the thumb that determines whether it's trauma or not. It's the expectations and the perceptions and what you believe you're gonna get out of it. So if you believe that, that's an opportunity. For instance, you know, Bruce Lee got busted up pretty good. He had bad backs and injuries and neurologicals and all kind of stuff. But if he saw that, that's gonna get him the opportunity to do a TV series and a major movies and everything else endured it because the outcome was worth it. Football players know they're going to have concussions, they're going to have probably brain damage and everything else, but they still play football knowing that probability. So if the advantages are still outweighing the disadvantages, it's not trauma. Trauma is a perception that sees more drawbacks than benefits. I have the opportunity to work with people every week, literally every week in my breakthrough experience, my signature program, and I have people come in there and I was traumatized by this. My dad did this, my mom did this, you know, I was in this car crash and I'd lost this. I have stories all the time, people, narrative. And I ask them, good. So, okay, I'm not denying some of those things that happened. The question is, what's the benefit? And they go, there is no benefit. Really? You've never looked, look. What is the benefit that came out of it in that moment? What trajectory did that shift? Can I give a story about that?
- [71:45]
Alex Ferrari
Sure.
- [71:47]
Dr. John Demartini
So I have this lady that comes to my breakthrough experience in Florida. She's. Her mom abandoned her when she was a young child. 4. That's what her story is. That's the story she's had for 35 years, going to a therapist. So. 35. She's 39. And her mom abandoned her. So she's this wounded abandoned child, victimized by her mom and thinking she's not good enough, associating with people that treat her that way because she's treating herself that way. And the whole story. And she wanted to run the story. She wanted to run a narrative and get sympathy. Right. Which her therapist, you know, was obviously collecting on. You know, and so I said. I said, all right, so let's go. What did you think you missed out on when your mom left? And she said, well, I didn't get guidance and I didn't get attention. I didn't get affection. And she listed all the things she thought she missed out on. Nothing's missing. It just is in a different form. They're not acknowledging. So who provided you guidance when your mom left at age 4? Nobody. Nobody. I didn't ask that. You answered before you even thought. You didn't even try to look. Who gave you guidance? And she finally said, my aunt. Great. Who else? My best friend's mom. Who else? Another best friend's mom. Who else? A teacher. Good. And when they faded, who emerged? And I showed her and traced who was giving her guidance from the day her mom left all the way till today. And then we did that for every one of those traits.
- [73:34]
Alex Ferrari
You were breaking down her story.
- [73:35]
Dr. John Demartini
I'm breaking down her story. And I said, so.
- [73:39]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [73:42]
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- [74:13]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [74:16]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [74:17]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [74:21]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest, largest injury law firm.
- [74:27]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.
- [74:36]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [74:48]
Dr. John Demartini
Awesome.
- [74:49]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [74:53]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [75:03]
Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
- [75:03]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [75:08]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [75:11]
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- [76:03]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show.
- [76:07]
Dr. John Demartini
Now, what was the benefit of these people providing that instead of your mom? What was the benefit of them providing it? I can't see any. You haven't looked. Try again. She said, well, I learned a different language. I was with my aunt. We'd learned a different language and she had took me to the movies, and I have a love for movies. And she's taken me and we go and know all about movies and what else. I got to go on adventures because my aunt was married to a guy that took us out camping and doing things and yeah, all because her mom left her at 4 and then I, we did it. And so she got a tear in her eye and she goes, this is a lot of blessings that came in my life. I said, now let's go back. If your mom had given you that guidance, what would have been the drawback? At first she said, well, there wouldn't be any. I said, no, that's the fantasy. If your mom had been there the whole time and didn't leave, what had been the drawback? And she stared in space for a minute, got a tear in the eye and then shook. I said, what is it? She said, something my aunt told me when I was 4 that I just remembered. What was it? I couldn't hear it until just now. I just got it. My aunt said, your mom had bipolar condition.
- [77:27]
Alex Ferrari
Oh, she wasn't capable.
- [77:29]
Dr. John Demartini
And your mom put you in a bath and forgot you were there and the water was not. It was getting hotter and hotter and hotter and you almost scalded and you almost drowned. And luckily she came back and she realized she forgot all about her daughter. And so she asked her sister, she said, I almost killed my daughter. I can't face the idea that that could ever happen again. I'm not in a position where I can raise my child. Will you help me? So she gave the child to the aunt, the sister and the sister understood and wanted to have a child.
- [78:12]
Alex Ferrari
So it worked out for her as well.
- [78:14]
Dr. John Demartini
So when she stopped and realized that the entire story of 35 years that I was an abandoned child disappeared.
- [78:23]
Alex Ferrari
Gone.
- [78:25]
Dr. John Demartini
And then her self image changed, her desire to see her mom changed. She wanted to see her fear about rejection was gone. Her appreciation of all the options she had changed. And the so called story of the traumatic abandonment was no longer even in existence. She then lost weight. She ended up allowing herself to date really quality people instead of just the guys that were beating her up because she was not worthy and useless and rejected all that story changed and she went on to write a book. I mean her life changed the moment she changed her perception. That's why William James said the greatest discovery of his generation is that human beings can alter their lives by altering their perceptions and attitudes of mind, the expectations. So when she asked a new set of questions and held herself accountable to do it, I held her. I was a mean booger doing that. But I got over the hump. She gave me a big hug at the end. She says, you just transformed 35 years worth of story into a love for my mom. I said, now we're talking, and now we're seeing the hidden order and the apparent chaos. And now we're seeing the spirituality and what we thought wasn't spiritual. And that's why we labeled things out of our ignorance instead of loved things out of our wisdom.
- [79:46]
Alex Ferrari
Wow, that's so powerful. Thank you for sharing that story. You know, I'll tell you a quick story of myself when I discovered this is when I was 26. My first book I wrote was based on probably the most traumatic time of my life, which is when I was kind of locked in with the mob to make a $20 million movie about a mobster's life. And I was. My life was threatened on a daily basis for a year and. But then at the same time, I was flown out to LA and I met the biggest movie stars in the world and billion dollar producers and so on. But I was 26. I had no defense. I had no way to deal with this situation.
- [80:26]
Dr. John Demartini
The pain and the pleasure for it.
- [80:27]
Alex Ferrari
The pain, I mean, it was like. It was so extreme. I mean, you're sitting here talking to Batman.
- [80:32]
Dr. John Demartini
That's why when you're able to embrace your villain, you get to be your hero.
- [80:37]
Alex Ferrari
So that's what happened. So then it took me, Price, 17 years before I wrote the book. And as I was writing the book, I started to unravel it all.
- [80:47]
Dr. John Demartini
You see the order.
- [80:48]
Alex Ferrari
I saw the order of it. It was extremely painful to go through. But once I saw it, I was like, you know, if it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't be doing the work I'm doing today.
- [80:59]
Dr. John Demartini
Exactly.
- [81:00]
Alex Ferrari
Because my first instinct was I want to teach others how to avoid this pain. So I started teaching filmmakers how to make it in the business. And then years later, I took the next step and opened up a podcast. And then that led me to this. Opening up a spiritual podcast, helping people find. But the instinct to help and to put myself out there in the world opened up all because of him. He did his job in this life. That's it, you know, and he was
- [81:32]
Dr. John Demartini
a bitch, but he did what he needed to do. Anytime you're addicted to one pull of a magnet, the other pull of the magnet smacks you until you see both sides.
- [81:41]
Alex Ferrari
Say that one more time.
- [81:42]
Dr. John Demartini
Anytime you're addicted to one pull of a magnet, the other pull of the magnet smacks you until you See both sides. So if you're addicted to praise, you attract criticism, you're addicted to protection, you attract. That's so true. Attract the perpetrator, you're addicted to innocence, sexual innocence, you attract depression, perpetrator. These are all pairs of opposites that try to teach you that if you're addicted to something, you'll stay juvenile dependent. And you need the challenger to make you precocious, to see independently and grow up. One stimulates the estrogen that keeps you youthful and young and, like a little baby, independent. And the other one gets the testosterone ready for you to fight and fight ready to go. You need both. In life, maximum growth and development occurs at the border of all pairs of opposites.
- [82:23]
Alex Ferrari
So with all these. All this talk about the negative and the positive and seeing both, like you just said, the world seems a bit upside down now, John. It seems a little crazy.
- [82:37]
Dr. John Demartini
It's highly polarized, Very highly polarized.
- [82:40]
Alex Ferrari
So so many things are happening in every industry in the world, from politics to food to religion to every. It seems like things are just crackling
- [82:49]
Dr. John Demartini
in as AI becomes more intelligent. Emotions have to be volatile to balance it.
- [82:54]
Alex Ferrari
So say that again.
- [82:56]
Dr. John Demartini
As the AI comes in and integrates the intelligence and makes us have access to things that we hadn't seen before, the emotional polarities will have to be balanced. That process, that's part of the nature of the creation. There was a. It wasn't Nietzsche, it was Sri. No, Aurobindo. Sri Aurobindo. And then Life Divine. The book he did, Life Divine. He said that as spirituality expands, so does materiality. As unity expands, so does duality. And as we strive for one, so does the other to make sure we maintain an equilibrium to keep us growing.
- [83:36]
Alex Ferrari
So everything that's going on right now, so many people feel so fearful about what's happening. What advice do you have for them?
- [83:42]
Dr. John Demartini
If they are infatuated with how it should be, they're going to fear the loss of it. And if they are resentful about how it is, they're going to fear the gain of it and they're going to be caught instead of asking the questions, how do I see both sides of both sides? Whenever I see something that somebody says that's terrible, you know, it's like the story about the guy, remember, where he has the farm and he has a son. Yeah.
- [84:04]
Alex Ferrari
The old Chinese proverb.
- [84:05]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. And it may be. If you say so, because you think this is terrible. My son, you know, he injures himself, he can't work in the fields, the Town people say, that's terrible. And then the next day. And then they find, well, he gets a horse and now you can plow the fields. And that's now good if you say so. And it goes back and forth and back and forth. People want to quickly jump to a conclusion and put a label on things which is an amygdala response instead of an executive center where reason occurs. But wisdom is asking questions to see both sides simultaneously. Will we liberate ourselves from the emotional vicissitudes and see things as they are? Because right now there may be polarities, but the law of heuristic escalation keeps those polarities in equilibrium, even though they're non local. We just have to open our eyes and see on a broader scale where the other side of the equation is.
- [84:53]
Alex Ferrari
That is something that I've noticed that throughout human history that when a great negative comes up, a great positive, always, always.
- [85:01]
Dr. John Demartini
How can you have a villain without a hero? You can't have a hero of nine, 11 without a villain. Yeah.
- [85:07]
Alex Ferrari
You can't have a villain in World War II without.
- [85:10]
Dr. John Demartini
And the people we thought were heroes. The guy that rode the bicycle, Lance Armstrong, he's a villain. And Bill Cosby was a villain. I learned a long time ago when I went through that dictionary. I have every trait. I'm both hero and villain. I'm not a nice person. I'm not a mean person. I'm an individual with a set of values. And you support my values. I can be nice as a pussycat, just a gentle soul. You challenge my values. I'm mean as a tiger. I have both sides. I'm both kind and cruel and nice and mean and pleasant and unpleasant and generous and stingy and thoughtless and thoughtful. I have all the above. And any part that you can't own in your life and embrace in your life is a disowned part. And that disowned part, you're going to keep attracting people in your life to help you see it.
- [85:53]
Alex Ferrari
So what do you mean by what is the science behind attracting the people and attracting the situations to teach you these things?
- [86:00]
Dr. John Demartini
Whatever you run away. Just like Carl Jung says, whatever you run away from, you keep running into. Because if you're running away from something and trying to get to the opposite pole, that pole comes with a magnet. It's got the other side. So it smacks you with unexpected. So if you think you got this relationship that's going to be all pleasure, no pain or 51% pleasure without pain. Wait. Just a matter of time before you start to realize that's not what I what I expected because you had an unrealistic expectation that people can be one sided. Not going to happen.
- [86:30]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [86:33]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [87:04]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [87:07]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [87:08]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [87:12]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest, largest injury law firm.
- [87:18]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [87:27]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [87:39]
Alex Ferrari
Awesome.
- [87:39]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [87:44]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [87:54]
Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
- [87:54]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [87:59]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [88:02]
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- [88:54]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. So that is why a relationship that lasts 20 years is because they understand that there is both.
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Dr. John Demartini
They're both.
- [89:07]
Alex Ferrari
There's no delusion.
- [89:08]
Dr. John Demartini
The longer you're with somebody, the more you can say both the things you like and dislike and rattle them off equally.
- [89:13]
Alex Ferrari
Oh, God, yes.
- [89:14]
Dr. John Demartini
If you first meet somebody, you can rattle the pauses. You're short on the negatives because you're ignorant. That's a sign of ignorance.
- [89:19]
Alex Ferrari
That's why that thing you said like. Do you ever think of divorce?
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Dr. John Demartini
No. Murder.
- [89:26]
Alex Ferrari
That's a great murder.
- [89:27]
Dr. John Demartini
All the time. Yeah, Murder.
- [89:29]
Alex Ferrari
And I think anyone who's married, it's such a perfect. Like, I never thought of divorcing.
- [89:33]
Dr. John Demartini
Well, look at lovemaking. You know what lovemaking is? It's hugs and slugs. Come close to me, honey. Get away. Come close, get away. Lovemaking. That's lovemaking, right? Attraction and repulsion.
- [89:45]
Alex Ferrari
So that is the law of our existence here.
- [89:49]
Dr. John Demartini
Well, I don't know. And according to Paul Dirac and his Principles of Quantum mechanics in 1947, he said that there was every particle had its antiparticle. And so. And the purpose of marriage, I think it's foolish to think its purpose is happiness. The purpose of marriage is to find somebody you can delegate low priority stuff to that. You don't want to do that. They love doing and get cheap labor value out of a spouse. I'm joking. I was a teaser.
- [90:13]
Alex Ferrari
Yes, it's a joke, everyone.
- [90:15]
Dr. John Demartini
But there's enough laughter there because people go, oh, that's my spouse. You know, the purpose of that is to have somebody to talk about things that help you go to sleep at night.
- [90:26]
Alex Ferrari
I find that having a spouse, having a partner in life is about balance. They. If they are. If you're both the exact. I've told my wife one's not necessary.
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Dr. John Demartini
Then.
- [90:35]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah. When I told him, I tell my wife that all the time is. She's like, if I'm up in the air, I'm the balloon. She's the guy, she's the rock on the floor.
- [90:44]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah.
- [90:45]
Alex Ferrari
Holding the balloon. Now without the balloon moving, the rock goes nowhere. But if the rock wasn't there, the balloon would just fly off.
- [90:53]
Dr. John Demartini
That's it. That's description.
- [90:54]
Alex Ferrari
That is the balance that a good relationship. Relationship had.
- [90:57]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. What they call psychology means Psycho logo. It was like Wayne Dyer logic and Psycho.
- [91:05]
Alex Ferrari
When the great Wayne Dyer feeling. Back when Wayne Dyer was. I had the pleasure of meeting him and, and seeing him speak on multiple occasions. He said this one thing. He's like, anytime I hear a new person come up, oh, I have this girlfriend or this boyfriend. He finishes my sentences. Oh, I love them. That they do. They watch the same movies I watch in the making. It's like they're done in a few weeks. They're not going to make it.
- [91:30]
Dr. John Demartini
They're highly infatuated and they're blind to the downsides. They're going to be smacked and they're going to be resentful when it happens.
- [91:35]
Alex Ferrari
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. One thing I wanted to ask you. We're surrounded here by some of these masters on the wall here, great walking masters, the ascended masters. And Buddha obviously popularized the idea, at least that I understand, of enlightenment. And people in the spiritual space who are in the spiritual quest are always looking for this destination called enlightenment. What is your understanding or misunderstanding that people have about this idea of enlightenment?
- [92:08]
Dr. John Demartini
Well, I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of people who think they're enlightened.
- [92:12]
Alex Ferrari
You've been to Hollywood too.
- [92:15]
Dr. John Demartini
But here's how I think about it. I'm going to do a little development of this. We live on a planet. It's about 24,000 miles around, about 8,000 miles in diameter. It spins around in 24 hours, 86,400 seconds. It's 93 million miles or one astronomical unit away from the sun. And there's a little guru that's sitting in a lotus position going around in the hamster wheel on the planet. I am enlightened. I am enlightened. I am enlightened. From the sun, we can barely see the Earth. We need a telescope. It's non discernible. It's a little.it can't even be seen 93 million miles away. It's too small without a telescope.
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Alex Ferrari
If you were on the sun.
- [93:08]
Dr. John Demartini
If you're on the sun, the sun is 26 to 27,000 light years away. That's 186,000 miles a second times 86,400 seconds in a day.
- [93:22]
Alex Ferrari
How far is the sun from us?
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Dr. John Demartini
The sun is 93 million miles.
- [93:25]
Alex Ferrari
93 miles.
- [93:26]
Dr. John Demartini
But from the center of the Milky Way. Oh yes, it's 26,000 light years. Yes, yes. Okay. Now, light year light travels 186,000 miles a second. There's 86,400 seconds in a day. There's 365 days in a year, in a quarter. Multiply those numbers. Then multiply that times 26,000, 27,000. That's the distance to the Milky Way that light has to travel for an observer to see our solar system, which is indiscernible because of the dust. And our planet's non even existent. The Milky Way is part of a local group that's part of a Virgo Cluster. The Virgo Cluster is part of a Superlania Kea supercluster, and that's part of even a bigger system and a Great Wall and a great attractor and repeller, and that's got voids and clusters all around it to infinity. There's trillions of those, and that's just the observable universe. So now this little guy sitting on this little speck on this planet that thinks they know they're all enlightened. As Socrates said, whatever you know is an infinitesimal compared to what you don't know, so to say, as Einstein said, to live with holy curiosity and to continue expanding your awareness would be wisdom. To think that you're all enlightened would be folly. So we have what is called relative awareness, relative enlightenment. You only know what you know, and even that's sometimes questionable. So when I meet somebody that thinks they're all enlightened, I question that because they don't know whether you're going to pass gas in the next two minutes.
- [95:13]
Alex Ferrari
Right. You're not all aligned.
- [95:16]
Dr. John Demartini
You know, I have relative awareness in the areas of expertise that I've pursued, which is an infinitesimal, an insignificant nothingness that will turn into dust and be poofed. So I'd rather live with holy curiosity and continue to expand my awareness and honor that. And relative to maybe somebody who thinks I know something in an area of my expertise, I can help them see things they don't see, but they can certainly help me see things I don't see. Now, what's interesting is I met a gentleman who was a professor in Nashville, Tennessee. He had a Ph.D. very intelligent guy. I asked him what his Ph.D. was. He said it was on the life of William James, on a portion of his life. A portion of his life. A tiny aspect of William James, father of modern psychology's life. He got a Ph.D. on it. Now he's got a very advanced doctorate, Ph.D. and, and very well respected for this piece he did. But he just studied a tiny little piece of one man's life. So is the person that's raising a child for 30 or 40 years. Any less knowledgeable about that particular thing. You know, they know that child, don't they?
- [96:36]
Alex Ferrari
Of course.
- [96:36]
Dr. John Demartini
And so they're enlightened in the area of their expertise, but they may not have the same area of somebody else. So to label somebody, just because they study spiritual scrolls or texts doesn't mean that they're more spiritually aware. It just means they've studied a tradition and they're scholarly about that tradition. And that's just one of many traditions on this tiny speck on this distant planet. So I'm a firm believer that it's wise to study all of them. Learn and find as much as you can and be inclusive and not be trapped by any of them because they can trap you into thinking that's spiritual. And if you're not that well, then it's an in group out, group bias. I'm spiritual, you're not. Well, oh, no, I'm spiritual, you're not. That's not. It's about the soul, the state of unconditional love, which is more inclusive than the exclusions and the limitations of a time and space, you know, our brain likes to isolate. Well, at 600 BC there was an enlightened person or Buddha. Zoroaster is about the same time. Right. And Confucius about the same time. And these were relatively aware individuals with some differences and some similarities in teachings. Extract what is wisdom out of that honor that they've given you a piece of the jigsaw puzzle. And continue to grow, continue to awaken to what you don't know tomorrow.
- [98:06]
Alex Ferrari
I find it that the masters who are actually that I like to study and follow and explore are the ones who say, I'm here just to show that you have the power within you. And anytime anyone goes, I'm the guy. Follow me, I run.
- [98:24]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah. Because now as long as you're green, you're growing in a Susan. You ripen, you rotate so well. That's great if you're humble. I always say when you have a humbleness to what you don't know and you just keep learning. Like Socrates. Socrates considered himself the most unwise person of all and everybody else thought he was the wisest because he was aware of what little he knew compared to the infinitude of what was there.
- [98:51]
Alex Ferrari
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
- [98:54]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [99:27]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [99:30]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [99:31]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [99:35]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [99:41]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.
- [99:50]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [100:02]
Alex Ferrari
Awesome.
- [100:02]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [100:07]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.
- [100:17]
Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
- [100:17]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [100:22]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [100:25]
Spreaker Announcer
This episode is brought to you by Spreaker, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading condition known as podcast brain. Symptoms include buying microphones you don't need, explaining RSS feeds to confused relatives, and saying things like, sorry, I can't talk right now, I'm editing audio. If this sounds familiar, you're probably already a podcaster. The good news is Spreaker makes the whole process simple. You record your show, upload it once, and Spreaker distributes it everywhere. People listen. Apple podcasts, Spotify, and about a dozen apps your cousin swears are the next big thing. Even better, Spreaker helps you monetize your show with ads, meaning your podcast might someday pay for, well, more microphones. Start your show today@spreaker.com because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it.
- [101:17]
Alex Ferrari
And now back to the show. Right, Right. That's so.
- [101:23]
Dr. John Demartini
Because, I mean, I study. I've been studying pretty well every single day for 53 years. Once I learned how to read a book I started. But there's no end to what I get to learn tomorrow because the amount of knowledge is growing faster than any one human being can do. Even AI won't be able to keep up with it because it's just too much to keep up with all the new variations and insights because the vantage points is constantly changing and the insights are compounding.
- [101:48]
Alex Ferrari
Fascinating. If you could give people one spiritual principle that would immediately change how they experience life, what would it be and why do we resist it?
- [101:59]
Dr. John Demartini
No matter what you've done or not done, you're still worthy of love. Because whatever you've done is participating in a pair of opposites that somebody's doing the opposite to make sure balanced in nature. Wow. So if somebody is critical of you, look for the praiser. And if you're addicted to praise, which keeps you juvenile dependent, honor the criticizer. They're going to make you grow. They're going to make you look at what you don't love about yourself. So no matter what you've done or not done, you're worthy of love. And so are the people around you. And that you know some people well, what about this person? What about that person? What about this? The only person you're afraid to love is the person that represents the part you haven't integrated and loved in yourself.
- [102:44]
Alex Ferrari
Are we afraid of what we're not capable of doing or are we truly afraid of what we are truly capable of doing?
- [102:52]
Dr. John Demartini
Yeah, we're probably frightened of what our power is. And we're also frightened of not living
- [102:57]
Alex Ferrari
our power at the same time.
- [102:59]
Dr. John Demartini
Same time. That's the difference between actuality and potential that Aristotle addressed when he was writing.
- [103:06]
Alex Ferrari
That's amazing, John. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?
- [103:11]
Dr. John Demartini
Well, they just go to drdemartini.com and they can go do my value determination process. It's free. Or they can go and check out what we're doing, the breakthrough experience or products or whatever. Or they can just go and read. There's enough information on there that's going to keep them busy enough for more than one life.
- [103:29]
Alex Ferrari
Fair enough. John, I would love to continue talking to you for hours and hours. Next time you're around my friend, please stop by. This has been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you and I truly hope that this conversation breaks some paradigms for people with their minds out there. So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet my friend,
- [103:50]
Dr. John Demartini
thank you for doing exactly the same thing. Thank you.
- [103:55]
Alex Ferrari
Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode at nextlevelsoul.com forward/674. And if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, books and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.
- [104:45]
Dr. John Demartini
Foreign
- [104:48]
Ryan Seacrest
hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's stock up savings time now through March 31st. Spring in for store wide deals and earn four times the points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Celsius body armor, Ora Ida silk, Capri Sun Bavarian meats and Charmin. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Stack up those rewards to save even more. Enjoy savings on top of savings when you shop in store or online for easy drive up and go pick up or delivery restrictions apply. See website for full terms and conditions.
- [105:21]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan.
- [105:24]
Dan Morgan
Hey, how's it going today?
- [105:26]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
- [105:29]
Dan Morgan
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.
- [105:35]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
- [105:44]
Dan Morgan
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
- [105:56]
Dr. John Demartini
Awesome.
- [105:57]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?
- [106:01]
Dan Morgan
Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24, 73 6.
- [106:11]
Dr. John Demartini
Wow.
- [106:12]
Podcast Host (interviewer for Dan Morgan)
Dan Morgan from Morgan Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.
- [106:16]
Dan Morgan
Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.
- [106:20]
Spreaker Announcer
This episode is brought to you by Spreaker, the platform responsible for a rapidly spreading condition known as podcast brain. Symptoms include buying microphones you don't need, explaining RSS feeds to confused relatives, and saying things like, sorry, I can't talk right now, I'm editing audio. If this sounds familiar, you're probably already a podcaster. The good news is Spreaker makes the whole process simple. You record your show, upload it once, and Spreaker distributes it everywhere. People listen. Apple podcasts, Spotify, and about a dozen apps your cousin swears are the next big thing. Even better, Spreaker helps you monetize your show with ads, meaning your podcast might someday pay for, well, more microphones. Start your show today@spreaker.com spreaker because if you're going to talk to yourself for an hour, you might as well publish it.
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Dr. John Demartini
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