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Past Life Regression Saved My Life with Michael Hoffmann
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FLASHBACK FRIDAYS: Michael Hoffmann is an author and has written The Face of the Iguana; Freedom from Toxic Belief Systems: A Journey in Healing and Transformation. In that publication, he relates his involvement in a doomsday cult and how he escaped...
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and conditions 21/ welcome to next level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here, we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and our consciousness to the Next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion. A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your Next Level Soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv, our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New Content drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. I like to welcome to the show Michael Hoffman. How you doing, Michael?
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Real good, Alex. Thank you very much for having me.
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Thank you so much for coming on the show. And thank you for sharing your remarkable life journey, which has been interesting to say the least. And what you've gone through, your spiritual awakenings, the trauma you've dealt with. I think your story can help a lot of people listening today. So my first. First question is about the time you were in a cult. How that you opened yourself into that, how. I've never spoken to anybody who's been in a cult before, so this should be fairly interesting, fairly interesting conversation, at least from my point of view. So how did you start. How did you get kind of wrapped into this kind of situation?
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That's. That's an excellent question. And the. The precursor of that question is my childhood. Coming from a dysfunctional alcoholic family, having been abused physically and emotionally, and then having my parents divorce. And then I was basically just shuttled from boarding school to boarding school. And then my mother had to. She lived in Mexico. And because I was born and raised there, and I felt very abandoned because suddenly she had to leave because her life was in danger, because my father was a violent alcoholic. So that, as a precursor, left me with lots of childhood trauma. I studied psychology, and I guess one of the reasons why I leaned towards that was to find out a little bit more about how to heal myself. But apparently after I graduated from university, I got attracted to this very subversive, hypnotizing group of people who promised you everything in the world. In other words, I was looking for, and I was looking ranch. The basic answers to life. What is this all about? Why am I here? What's. What are we doing here? You know, those were the basic ones. But at the. On the other hand, the other piece to that was I need healing. So I gravitated toward these people, and everything was based upon ego. You are here for a special reason. You would not come in contact or would have not come into contact with us if the universe didn't want you to be here, or the cosmic beings or the ascended masters. So in other words, it was a really subtle play into ego. You're Special. And then the leader, the cult leader. And I don't identify him, him or her is simply, I won't even give him that, that energy. Simply. The cult leader was saying, I have the direct connection to the universe. I have direct connections to God. Of course, everything that you need to know comes, comes through me. And of course, give me your money. Give me your money. Come and, come and study with us. Which I did. I gave up a really good job, Alex. I mean I was making really good money.
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And this, but this sounds very much of a. It's an old playbook. This is not a new playbook.
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Oh, it's, it's. No, it's really old and it's boring, actually.
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Oh, very, very unimaginative.
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Exactly. It's like there's no imagination to, whatsoever to this. It's just slam dunk. Thank you, ma'. Am. Gotcha. And now you're gonna work for us and you're going to, you're going to give us your money and you're going to help us to spread the news of this, we're going to increase our numbers, so on and so forth. It's just, you know, the same old thing. It's like trying to, to sell you the world and tell you that, you know, you're going to erase thousands of years of karma by being with us, by the way, obviously. And at the time I didn't know what karma was, so that had to be explained to me and of course. Go ahead.
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What's really interesting so far of your story is that it is, it's tapping into existing belief systems that are not associated like, you know, karma, ascended masters. These are not mainstream, like that Western mainstream ideas. These are all eastern ideas. But they're manipulating those ideas for their own egoic benefits.
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That's exactly right. Could not have been said better. And ego is one of the, and clear key ingredients to the sense that the leader, the cult leader was just. It's all about what I can bring to you. And the cult leader was interested in money, basically what it boil down to. And I, I eavesdropped on one of the conversations. The spouses, the spouse of the, the leader. And the spouse said, I can't believe this. You are, you, you just exaggerate everything. And then you expect people to come in here and give you all this money and then you would want to go, then you want to go here and you want to go there and you want to travel all over the world. I don't think that's right. And I, and I Was listening to this, and that whole idol came crashing down. And I go, oops, there's something wrong. But at the same time, I was having psychological effects because it turned out that it wasn't so positive. It was nefarious, it was evil. There was a programming that took place, and now I understand it. As a cognitive behavioral counselor and as a EEG neurofeedback practitioner, I understood what they did. And they. They basically programmed all of us to go down to the subconscious level and accept the information and these nefarious messages that were being planted. So basically what they did, they reprogrammed my mind, by the way.
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Not an easy feat to do to get into the subconscious and to reprogram someone. It is not easy.
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Well, it isn't. It isn't. But I'll tell you how they did it. They had us chant and chant and chant and chant and chant. We did. We sang, we chanted, we sang, we chanted. And then this. The leader would come in and then deliver the messages from the big cosmic masters or the ascended masters or. Or whatever and. Or the saints. I mean, it doesn't make a difference who it is. I mean, and some of these messages, we were down. We were already at a lower level. Our brain waves were down in the alpha. From alpha down to the theta level, which is the hypnog. Hypnagogic region. If you want any access to your subconscious mind, go to theta. That's between 4 and 7 hertz. And as a trained, certified neurofeedback practitioner, I suddenly realized that's how they got in. That's how they were able to program all of these messages. All of these. And they were fear based. I mean, they were. It came to the point where I started dissociating, if you understand what that means. My. My psyche, my brain went into an altered ego, an altered state of consciousness that prevented me from being in touch with reality. It was like living in a dream.
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and I, I I and they had more more control over me after that. But it wasn't just me. It was all the other People around me.
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So reinforcements around you, you're seeing, oh, this must be real. Look at all these other people.
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Exactly, exactly. And so that reinforced all kinds of states of consciousness. Just really bad, bad, bad psychological feelings and being. I don't know why you attract so many Catholics, but you do. Being recovering Catholic, I, I, I got all those during catechism. And all the, all the, you're going to go to hell. And if you eat fish on Friday, you're the devil's, you're going to go to hell and the devil's going to take and all of this stuff. So I was pre programmed and then on top of that,
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Oh, no kidding. I mean it was just like, you can't even believe that I did. I left out one piece in my childhood. I think it's important to mention that is they didn't know what to do with Michael Hoffman. My parents did. My father, my mother had already gone, so they sent me to boarding school. After boarding school and boarding school mostly in Mexico City or Puebla. And then, then an extended family member said, oh, I think what we'll do is, you know, there's this American priest here who has an orphanage, so let's send him there.
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Jesus.
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So I was sent in. Talk about culture shock. I mean, I was sent into these orphans. I mean they, they didn't have fathers and mothers. They were just kids that were found on the street. And it was, it was, that was horrible in itself. And the only way that I could get out of it was say, oh, I wanna, I wanna be a priest. So I started, I told the, the priest, I said, I want to go to seminary because I was, I was gonna do everything that I could to get out of that place. I mean, anything. And that was my way out. And, and eventually he said he doubted whether I had a vocation. I mean I was only like 12 years old, but they take him young in Mexico and so they accepted me and I was there. I didn't last long. I lasted maybe a year at the most. And, but all of those, that precursor programming was already there as a baseline. And then I have this cult on top of it, reinforcing it a thousandfold. All of these fear based beliefs, hell entity attachment. Sure, sure, sure. There were people who committed suicide, of course.
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Yeah.
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So the, the thing, the thing is, what is important for me is to really be conscious of these fear based beliefs that we're not challenging in our society today. Right. Fear based beliefs don't come from source they come from the reptilian brain. That's why on the COVID of my book, the face of the iguana is the iguana with, with the butterfly. And the iguana represents the reptilian brain. The reptilian brain is the fight, flight, freeze element of our brain. And it's the amygdala, which really means almond in Greek, is that part of our brain that sounds the alarms, the bells and the whistles when we are about to become lunch or possibly going to become lunch, as you have mentioned so many on your times on your program. The tiger, tiger. And so, so that that part of the, the brain then is just constantly reinforcing the fight flight response in memory of the parts of the nefarious messages that I received or was programmed into me, not just from the cult, but all the way up from childhood, through the seminary, through the Catholic church and the fight flight, freeze response. When we have, and science has been able to prove that, when we have a memory of a very scary element in our life and we remember that, that reinforces that memory because noradrenaline, norepinephrine, cortisol is released and that has a reinforcing effect. So people who have PTSD, which I had for 40 years, the PTSD then is reinforced and reinforced and reinforced. So what we need to be aware of is when children are subjected to these fear based beliefs. And we're talking about two, three years old. I mean, how old were you when you went to Patagonia?
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Well, I started, I started right away. I mean, I. The first time I remember being exposed to the concept of hell was first grade. You imagine.
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Exactly.
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First grade. I came home terrified.
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I know I was like the devil.
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I don't want to go to hell. I got to be back. I got to be. It's nefarious.
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Exactly. Welcome to the club.
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It's truly nefarious.
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So it was just like, you know, if you're based beliefs stacked on fear based beliefs stacked on fear based belief, and then you have the perfect cocktail for dissociative disorders. And also you have a perfect cocktail for a wonderful episode of PTSD which lasted for me intermittently, 40 years.
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One thing I want to kind of go back into what you said and you kind of mentioned it in regards to source, but when you said that the, the leader came out and spoke for the ascended masters. The concept of ascended masters is an eastern philosophy. It is part of eastern, you know, either Hindu or yogic philosophy, these kind of things. If anyone's listening, if anyone says Things in regards to Source, Ascended masters, being a Jesus, a Buddha, those kind of Saint Germain, Yogananda, whoever you want to speak of. None of those messages are fear based. Not exactly. One is fear based. If you look into any of the Ascended Masters teachings, they're all based in love, based in the powers and within you. You have to remember who you are. All of the strength is within you. And they're not asking for cash and they're not asking for you to join and spread my word. They're talking about awaken as many people as they can in the time period that they need to awaken. Could be this life, could be the next one.
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Is that, is that absolutely.
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Okay. I wanted to kind of really point that out.
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Yes. Alex. And I thank you for also clarifying that because the Ascended masters, saints, anything, any being that comes from Source is a, is encapsulated and represents pure, unconditional love. Correct. Period. Period. And if that message and that, that vibration is not emitted, then you need to find the nearest exit. Exit and find it and start running for it. And any belief system that gives you a sense of fear or dread or any type of anxiety is one that you need to be aware of and you need to take measures to stay away from. So then we go back to, okay, so what about all the Bible in the New Testament? And so I, I did a lot of research and a lot of really good researchers out there, like Elaine, Elaine Peggles, for example, that have discovered that the Bible has been tampered with. It has been edited. Of course it has been edited and re. Edited. And I don't. And I, and a lot of metaphysicians will agree with me on this. They, they don't believe that Jesus ever came down to establish a church. He came down to teach love, to love one another.
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Yeah.
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And in past life regressions, for example, from Dr. Martin, Dr. Michael Newton, the whole message in the thousands and thousands of past life regressions that he's done, or life between lives regressions is the only religion in the afterlife is pure unconditional love.
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Correct.
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That's it. If you want to call that a religion.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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But it's not a religion. Go ahead.
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You know you want to hear something funny is I was speaking to a grand master the other day as. As you do, of course, who was in a Tibetan monastery for 20 years and a martial arts master as well. And he's evolved to a certain place. And what I go, what was it that they taught you inside of the monastery? And I'm thinking there's these library of ancient texts that they're digging into and all of this stuff. And they said that he goes, when you come into the monastery, that there is religion is allowed to a certain extent in the monastery. He goes, but if you want to evolve to the next level, you must leave religion behind. Which I thought was so powerful of a statement. And I said, what do they teach you? He goes, all they do is teach you techniques so you remember who you are. And once you remember who you are, which is pure unconditional love, source energy, all that knowledge that they talk about floods in because you have access to it now because you've released all the mud that you're carried around. So I just wanted to bring that as a point because of the concept of religion. Like, oh, and don't get me wrong, if anybody's on a path in religion that's not fear based, it's not hurting anybody, and it's, and it's the way they connect to God in this life. God bless. Go with, go with God in, in many ways. But at a certain point, maybe this life may be another one. You'll open up to other ideas, right?
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Yeah. And I, I think that all the, all of the, the masters, all of the, the great teachers have really come, have said the same thing. And they're saying love is the basis of everything. Love is the, is the force of the universe. It's the, it's the essence of the universe. And from a physics point of view, it's all of that energy that is interconnected is the interconnective energy of the universe.
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Quantum entanglement.
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Quantum entanglement, call it what you may, and I mean physics really is, when you marriage physics with these belief systems, you really, physics explains how source is that connected, that universal energy that connects everything and connects us all. I think you had Nancy Dennison on, which is wonderful, wonderful program and I really love what she said. We are all strands of source. We are strands of that ineffable, beautiful energy that is love and care. And, and it encompasses everything that, that we are in contact with and everything that we're not in contact with. It encompasses things to be. There are known and things that are not known. And when you start realizing that this, this vehicle, this is just a vehicle and that we are much larger than spiritually and energetically than this little, this bill, this vehicle that we've adopted to run around in this dimension. Once we leave the vehicle, we are just our wonderful, incredible, enormous spiritual selves.
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So let me ask you, how did you escape this scenario? This, this, this, this little, this little situation you've put yourself into?
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The, the Houdini effect?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes.
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Well, I suddenly came up with a plan because when you realize that somebody wants money, you talk that you talk that language and they listen, right? So one morning I woke up and I, I said, I gotta get out of here. I just, I can't. I can't be here anymore. So I came up with this plan. My grandmother, she's very rich. I now came up with this. And I said to the. One of the lieutenants, I said, you know, my grandma's getting really kind of old, and she wants to have her estate of millions of dollars distributed. And. But I have to go to Mexico and I have to be there for this. And they said, oh, really? I said, oh, yeah. And I. I think this would be wonderful for the organization because, you know, I'm coming back with millions and millions of dollars. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to go. You need to go right away. I mean, you can't wait any longer. When do you leave? And it was just like, really? Oh, now you're. Now you're really showing who you are. And I mean, that just cemented it for me. It just. I said, oh, yeah, I'm on to you. I'm on to you big, big time. So I said, okay, I'm preparing myself to go and we'll see you later. And that was how I got away. But there were. There was a lot of drama in between that. Almost. I almost got caught. And they would have held me back, they would have prevented me, they would have locked me up, they would not have let me leave.
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Where was this based, by the way? Was this based in the U.S. california, of course. California. That's where I'm from. Of course, California. Best. The best. The best and the worst. As you will, there's. There's enlightenment in there, but there's a slight bit of ego in California, just a tad, especially where I come from. Hollywood.
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Exactly, exactly. Yeah. If anybody would know, it'd be you.
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So then let me. So, all right, so you, you. Did you finally get out? What happens, what happens next?
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Then they tried to hunt me down. I left for. Which is where I grew up and they, they look for me. They contacted me. They say, okay, when are you going to come back? When are you going to bring, you know, your. The money and all that? That's all they were interested, of course not how you're doing? How's it going down there? We care about what you would, you know, about you and what, in your health and all that. We don't care about that. We just want you to come back with the money. And basically I just told him, you know, things are really complicated. So I'm not Going to be back. Come get me if you want to. And they never did.
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And did they. What kind of threats did they give you? Like spiritual.
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Spiritual threats, though the spiritual threats were the worst. You are going to go through what's called the second death. In other words, your spirit will be dissolved one and it will be no longer. And you, in other words, you'll be denied the ascension, obviously, and you'll go through the second death. Hitler went through the second death. You're going to go through the second death if you don't obey all of the masters and cosmic beings that have put you here and that have told you that you needed to be here. So, you know, it's guilt, fear, it's all those subtle, nuanced messages.
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Yeah, but I have to say though, that Hitler and Michael Hoffman, you know, it's just generally doesn't seem like a balance argument. I think it's more of a desperate argument at that point.
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Yeah, it was pretty desperate. It was really desperate as a matter of fact. Yeah, it was just like. Oh, really? Are you serious? So I just, I. I didn't have anybody to deprogram me.
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Yeah, you're out in the world like this.
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I was out there and I was still going through. I had horrible panic attacks. I had. My.
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Poor thing.
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I had, I mean, serious anxiety attacks to the point where I, I would almost pass out and then I would try to regain some sort of identification with myself as I, I got my old high school yearbook out and I was looking at all the times that I was really happy and I was wondering why I was not happy now. Well, guess what, your. Your brain just got programmed. And slowly and surely I started to get into a sense of re identifying myself and my true self, my previous self, and be able to emerge out of that whole misidentification is what I like to call it. And that that best describes it was a form of dissociation. In other words, I sometimes didn't know who I was. I lost identity, my own personal identity.
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Hey, guys, it's Joe, it's Kevin, and this is Nick Jonas from. Hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me.
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A class of one. Congratulations.
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We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either.
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C
Moving fast forward. In the past 15 years, I had a transforming spiritual experience. Meantime, I'm. I'm doing all of my work. I'm going, I'm working. I'm doing consulting throughout Latin America and Europe. I'm. I worked in alcohol and drug abuse, substance prevention and treatment. And I just submerged myself in my work. And I was able to gain a sense of sanity and groundedness when I did that. But I still wanted the answers. The answers weren't there. That were not answered when I joined the cult. I need to have those answered.
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B
By the way, is that cult still all around?
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C
It's not. It's. They're. They're remnants of it. Very.
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B
Yeah. It's not what. It's not what it used to be.
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C
Right. It's the leaders. The leader's dead, and there's just a few followers, from what I understand.
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B
Got it, got it. Okay. Just curious.
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C
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank God for that. But in 2009, I was. I was asleep. I was waking up one morning, and it was that, you know that dream state that you're in that you're kind of waking up, but you're not waking up? You know what I Mean, it's that theta 4-7-hz. And all of a sudden I had this incredible feeling of. Of love. And I had this feeling, this like vibrational feelings of, of peace, of an incredible peace. And suddenly I said, oh, I'm not dreaming here. There's something going on here. What? And I looked up and here is this being, this luminous being there standing before me with. And his eyes were a violet blue. It was almost indescribable. The colors, I can't describe it other than saying it was like a violet, violet, bluish. His colors were hypnotizing. And this incredible sense of unconditional love came over me. And I was so at peace that I. Then I thought to myself, there's so what's going on? And the first thought that came to me, now I know what the saying is. Peace that passes all understanding. I'm experiencing the peace that passes all understanding. You don't really have an understanding of peace until you have that feeling of that being in, in that force field of energy. And the. This being said, Michael, I. You are at the beginning of your new life. And. And the scene appeared in my work. And this was. I was working with high risk offenders at the time. And he said to me, your life will change after this. The past will be gone. You will no longer have to deal with the past. You will have an issue with your health, but that will not impede your progress. And this is the new beginning for you. Then he said, look behind you or look to your right. Rather I looked to my right. And this was in the hallways of my work. Nobody was around. It was just us. He says, go to that man. And this man emerged from this, disappeared. And he was a middle aged man. He said, go to him and take his hands. And I thought to myself, well, why am I, why am I going to do that? I can take my hands. He said, take his hands. I grabbed his hands and I could smell alcohol coming off of his breath. He said, heal him. Help him to heal and heal all those you come in contact with. And it. And from that point onward, a whole new program that I participated in completely changed the whole concept of recovery, of dealing with cognitive problems that these offenders had tremendous issues that had catapulted them into criminal behavior. I mean, I was involved now in a program that I felt completely guided by. I was completely guided by this program to the point where I was able then to have some very viable results that helped so many people. And to this day I get letters from my probationers who said, I don't know what happened in that class, I don't know what you did, but I feel completely changed. I feel completely transformed. And I'm not involved in criminal activities anymore. And I knew at that point that when I was involved in my cognitive behavioral work with Eastern high risk offenders, I knew I was being guided. I knew that that was the effect of that new life, that new energy that had come in to work with me. And as a result of that, then I started to the, I started to. In search and I was guided to book after book after book after publication that gradually got me into the answers to the original questions that I had when I went into the cult. And at first, the first major works that completely collapsed 40 years of PTSD was Dr. Michael Newton's journey of Souls and, and his other books. And it completely collapsed all the ptsd. Everything, everything that I was taught by that cult completely collapsed. I was completely free. And then I, then I thought, wow, I, then I, I started to do some more research and more research. I went to several mediums and I was, I was told that, you know, you need to write a book and you need to get this information out. And, and these were evidential mediums. They were evidential mediums and that's how the Face of the Iguana came into being. And I tried to summarize all of my experiences there, but, you know, it's not gloom and doom in that book really. I have a lot of funny stories in there. I mean, lots of funny stories. Because one of the other pieces to spirituality is, and I think it's overlooked a lot is that, and it's a, it's a very important part of spirituality and that is the joy that comes from laughter is one of the highest vibrational frequencies that you can be involved with. The afterlife is full of laughter, full of joy, and engulf yourself in that. And so I said, you know, I have, I have so many funny stories. And that helped me, as a matter of fact, recover from my ptsd, from that whole process of, you know, stories about my grandmother. And I mean, she was funny. She was just the funniest person. I mean, she was just incredible. So I relate stories of my grandmother, I relate other stories, and I, I believe that if we laugh a little bit more and we really enjoy our laughter and we express that joy in our laughter, that's, that just completely sends you into a whole different vibrational field that raises your vibrations. And when you raise your vibrations, you, you're in charge of yourself. You're in charge of being in charge of reaching your higher self. I had a past life regression or life between life regressions from a very wonderful Michael Newton hypnotherapist. Her name is Diana Rosser. And I what I experienced in that life between life was four hours long. It was a long, long session. But it took that long to get me down to that that 4 to 7 hertz deep into almost 4.5 hertz which is really low almost on delta. And that's the hypnagogic section of our our brain. What I experienced was the following. I wasn't shown all of the my my my group friends or my life my my soul group.
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We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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A
Hey guys, it's Joe, it's Kevin. And this is Nick Jonas from hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me. A class of one.
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B
Congratulations.
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A
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We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either.
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C
I was not shown all these wonderful events and and spiritual beings that are common that Michael Newton describes. I just saw my guide and he said to me, you are going to experience something that's going to be very important. And I had made a A request. And I told Tiana this before. I said, I don't want to see the cult leader. I'm not interested particularly in seeing my dad at this point. Maybe later. And I just want it to be a healing session. And she says, okay. And so my guide said, you're here for. You requested to be here. So what. What we're going to do is we're going to. I'm going to take you through an experience that will help you heal. And there was like a barrier over here to the left. And all of a sudden he said, this is what. Pay attention to what's going to happen now. And I felt like arrows coming out of my etheric body. Just arrows coming out and. And just leaving my etheric body. And then I. He telepath. Your cult leader. You didn't want to see who that could. The cult leader. And so we kept that from you, but we didn't keep the healing that you needed to have. And that cult heal. That cult leader is also asking you to forgive and to let go. I said, wow. And that was just incredible. And then I saw a whole group of people, but I couldn't see their faces. And they were all saying hi. And I said, I imagine that was my soul group. I don't know. But then he took me to the. A glass enclosure where there was energy there. It was like, you know, like in Star wars, you see this energy and yeah, you see, it's. It's all like convoluted and. But if it's bright, he says, this is the rest of your soul energy. And Michael Newton, in the thousands of. Of regressions that he's done in life and life between lives, he says we don't bring all of our spiritual energy into incarnation because if we brought all our soul energy in, it would. This body would not be able to support it. It would be. It would just blow us up, basically. So. But we're going to emerge right now with. With your soul energy. So I'm. We merged. And when we. When I merged into this. This energy, my guide was on the left. He grabbed my hand and we started growing like giants. And we grew and grew and grew and grew. And all of a sudden, in the meantime, I go, I can't believe all this is happening. I mean, it's just like, you know, and I told. I believe. I told Deanna. I said, I can't believe this is happening. She says, gets go with it. Just keep going with it. And I. We finally got to the point where we were at the maximum Height of our enormity, if you will, our spiritual enormity. He says this is how you connect with your higher self. You, you in meditation, see yourself and practice yourself, tapping in to the enormous spiritual energy that you are now. And when you do that, you tap into your higher self and you can do this at any time that you want to do it. And my whole life changed after that. It was, it was such a healing experience. And I know a lot of people may not understand all the nuances of this. That's why I, I really recommend reading Dr. Michael Newton's books and there's some other books through their, their good. But I practice this not only in my meditation, because I'm meditation. My main meditation is the only thing that kept me sane when I left the cult. And I know you talk, Alex, a lot about meditation and this is the only thing that kept me sane. That was the only spiritual grasp that I retained after leaving. And so when I practice my meditation today, it's a completely different experience because I'm able to practice, put into practice those, those, those exercises, those and, and reach up to the highest level that I can. When you raise your vibrational level, your guides or can also then communicate with you better because we're, we're such a lower vibration, they have to lower their vibration and then we have to lower our, raise ours in order for us to meet somewhere in the middle. It's the two dots between the 11 and 11 or the 1 and 11.
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B
I, I always look at it like there's a big thick layer of mud between us and our ascended master or our spirit guides. And you gotta kind of dig through it with like lase your hand to the point where you can stick a finger out on the other side and then they can come down and touch you, but they can't go into the mud. Like, why would you, if you're at a, if you're clean, you took a shower, like, why am I going to go down there? Like, it, it, it's. I can't pass that point. You've got to come up to us. We can't meet you where you're at because it doesn't benefit you at that point. So, and you can't even comprehend it. Someone who's that low vibration, someone like your son, your, your spirit guide shows up, they're going to lose, they can't comp, they can't process it. The, the, the vibration of that, of that body is not at a place where you can process it as opposed to like a, a Walking master that we have today, like a yogi or someone like that who you just want to be in their presence because of their vibration and their aura, for lack
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C
of a better word. Exactly. Yeah. And it was exactly the same feeling that I had when I had that transformative spiritual experience with that being that I saw. I mean it was. Could have completely caught me off guard. But that same vibrational frequency is the one that I experienced in my life between life session.
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B
Right.
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C
And. And I. And that took four hours to get to that level. So. I, I just amazed at what the human mind can do. Oh, I'm amazed. What are. If when we work with our subconscious mind and we deprogram our subconscious of all those fear based beliefs, which is really my mission in life is to educate and to inform as many people as possible, then our lives completely change.
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B
Absolutely. And, and I love the work that you're doing because you, you really focus on the fear based belief system which is something that you are very, you know, you know, associated, understand and have been associated with throughout your life. I have to ask you this question though. And people ask me this question about the trauma traumatic, which is nothing compared to what you went through. But I was in a, in a year of insanity with a mobster. Would you change anything if you could go back?
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C
Absolutely not.
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B
That's the answer I was expecting. That's the exit. Because it's who you are. It's who you are.
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C
I had to go through everything that I went through and then when I found out about life planning, what were you thinking? Really?
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B
Me too. We can't, we, we can't understand it.
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C
I know is you piled all this crap on the plate. Really? What were you thinking? I must have been high after you
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B
get high on the other side.
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C
I guess so. I guess you're good.
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B
You're high on the universal love on the other side. That's what it was.
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C
I know, right. But you know, everything had to happen, Alex, everything in order for me to get here. Now I'm 74 years old and I had to go through all of those phases in order to be where I'm at and to know what I know at this point. I know I don't know everything obviously, but there's. I've changed. I've completely become transformed. And, and I am in a position to help others, hopefully do. And I have get rid of some really nasty programming that they went through.
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B
As they say, the blade gets stronger the hotter and the more pounding it takes.
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C
That's right. That's exactly Right.
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B
And that's life. And if you have an easy go of it, that blade is going to break the second something comes towards you.
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C
Exactly. But.
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B
But it isn't. It's not. It's not fun to go through this. It's not. It's not a fun. It's not a fun thing. But it is necessary part of growth. And I always associate it with the gym. You. You know this life is going to the gym. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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A
Hey, guys, it's Joe. It's Kevin. And this is Nick Jonas from. Hey, Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me.
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B
A class of one. Congratulations.
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A
But we're not here to talk about favorite students. We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite Kleenex tissues. According to teacher list, Kleenex is the number one facial tissue brand trusted by teachers. Kleenex Ultra Soft tissues are silky soft to help prevent skin irritation. And now you can take them anywhere with Kleenex Snap and Go. Between dance, soccer, school events and everything else kids have going on after school, Kleenex Snap and Go is easy to take along. It fits in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school.
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B
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B
And you got to pick up heavier, heavier weights if you want to grow the muscles to get stronger and stronger. You need resistance. You need challenge to do it. Some can just do a little cardio and they'll be fine. Others. Others need to tear it. Hair, a bicep or two, Right?
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C
Exactly. I know, right? Yes. Yes. Yeah. But it's all worth it in the long run. It's all worth it.
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B
No.
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C
And you know what, Alex? We are. We always have assistance from the other side.
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B
Always.
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C
Always. And it Works better when you ask for the assistance too.
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B
You know what's so funny is that again, because I get to talk to so many wonderful souls like yourself on this show. I keep seeing the patterns. I keep hearing the patterns from different people from around the world who know nothing of each other. And that last statement you said has been said to me a good 20 or 30 times in these conversations I've had. Because it's like, you need to ask for help from your guides. You need to ask help from your. Your ancestors or your angels or. Or whoever you believe is on the other side helping you. Exactly. You have to ask for the assistance because if you don't ask for it, they are not going to impede on your free will.
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C
Exactly. Our free will is sacred, and they can impede on our free will.
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B
They cannot.
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C
Now, we do have a contract with our. Our guides, and we've agreed in our. Our angels. But if you want anything specifically done, you have to ask them. My sister passed. My younger sister passed away two years ago. I'm sorry. And I said, you know, spirit is practical. This is what I'm going to do. I asked, I asked my angels. I said, angels, if y' all aren't proud of that, help me out with this. I want you to send patty, my sister, 50 yellow roses and write on the note, I love you, hermanita, and. And welcome to your new life. And then I went to a medium about. That was about a year after that happened. And the medium says, what's the. Your sister, she's passed us on spirit side. And I said, yes, what's this about 50 flowers? And I go, oh. I said, oh? She said, oh. She's saying. She said she knew it was you. She knew. I mean, and this medium doesn't know me from Adam. I mean, and I. It was just like, wow, I got confirmation that she got those flowers. Spirit is very practical. And we have to understand we can ask them to help us carry our groceries. And if they're too heavy, especially at this stage in the game. Right. And so, and, and we can do. We can ask them to help us with our driving that we, we. If we're in a tough situation, we can ask them to assist us in any way that we need to be assisted with. And when we know that we are being assisted, that can reinforces that. And then we become closer with spirit and closer with the other side.
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B
The, the analogy I always love using is this video game analogy where the player sitting and watching it on a screen is soul and the player is the avatar, which is our bodies in the game. And we take it very seriously in the game, but they're guiding us. When you ask, man, can you help me with this? Then you start moving the player, nudging it over towards the area where they might find the level up they're looking for or the knowledge they're for, the experience they're looking for to kind of get them to where they want to be. And a lot of times that nudging goes into a cave where there's a monster that you've got to fight and you have to be and beat. And that is part of your obstacle because after you beat them, you get something called experience points and you level up. So now the next time a monster like that shows up, you could just whack them and they're done because you're that much stronger.
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C
Right.
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B
These, you know, these little analogies of, of. Of what we are going through down here, but it's. Your story is, Is heartbreaking and beautiful at the same time, William. It really is. And I do appreciate what you're doing in the world, trying to turn your pain and your suffering into. And trauma into. Into something very positive for the world around you through your book, through the work that you've been doing. And you also. For my research, you also did afterlife research as well, right?
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C
Yeah, I'm going on 10 years now. What is that?
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B
So, yeah. Tell me a little bit about your afterlife research. I'm. I'm curious about that.
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C
I've read, I would say at least 50, 60, 70 books. And when I left the culture. All right. Or when I started this, I said, I'm not going to go into any type of belief system that's not evidential and that does not have a database, and that is verifiable. So the research that I've concentrated on is that which is data, which is evidence based. And that also involved, for example, the University of Arizona, University of Virginia. They're doing a lot of work in this area. There is, I don't know if you ever heard of the Soul Phone.
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B
The Soul Phone? I have not, sir.
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C
Oh, no.
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B
Can I get that on my. Can I get that on T mobile?
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C
You'll have to wait a little longer for that one. You'll have to wait a long time for that one. There is a lady in Brazil who has been working with computers and this has been evolving over decades, and they are now able to establish communication with souls on the other side and get images and.
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B
Well, I have heard about this. Yeah.
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C
Is. Is her Name, Huh. And it is absolutely amazing. She did an experiment with 15 parents who lost their children. And she then communicated with them with, or could be at her computer. And in a large conference, they had the 15 parents there. And as they call the name of each one of those parents, they projected the computerized image of that child compared to a real image in real life. And it was just amazing. Just, I mean, and technology she's using,
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B
like, is it a Hertz thing?
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C
Is.
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B
It's obviously a frequency thing.
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C
It's. Apparently Nikola Tesla is involved.
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B
Oh, his, his research. Yeah, his research.
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C
No, from the other side.
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B
Oh, obviously that makes sense.
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C
I mean, I, I know that sounds out of this world, but I mean, why not? I mean, it's frequency, it's energy.
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B
Well, isn't, it's in the. Now that they have machines that I've heard about this, that they can plug into your brain and actually see the dreams that you're dreaming. Like there's a visual representation, a rough visual representation because you're able to read the images that are being created in your mind. That's older, I mean, that's been around for a little bit and they're trying to. It's, it's all crazy. It's all nuts.
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C
No, it really is. I mean, it's, but it's wonderful. I mean, we're, we're, we need all this information because of the, the shift that's coming.
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B
This is happening. The shift is happening.
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C
It's happened.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, it's happening now. And the consciousness of Earth is so different now compared to even in the
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B
50s, 10 years ago.
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C
Yeah, right. I mean, yeah, 50s.
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B
That's a whole other conversation.
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C
I know, I know.
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B
That is, it's a whole other. I mean, even for my generation, which was 70s, 80s, there was no convert. I was raised. And if you watch my show, you know, I'm Latino, so I come, I come from, you know, a, a rich Latin Caribbean based belief system where they spoke about, there's the grandma or the aunt that spoke, or if you need a, A, a session, you could go with them. Or, or you need, you know, which means a cleaning of dark energy around. I kind of grew up with that, but it was very back door conversations. It would have never been spoken about in public, let alone in a public forum like this. Where now it's not only acceptable to talk about this and becoming more acceptable on a daily basis. People are searching for this information. People want to learn this information. It's not the backdoor mystic shops anymore. It's it's going more and more mainstream.
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C
Yeah, it's, it's word to full disclosure.
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B
We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.
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A
Hey, guys, it's Joe, it's Kevin, and this is Nick Jonas from. Hey Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me.
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B
A class of one. Congratulations.
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A
But we're not here to talk about our favorite students. We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite. Kleenex tissues. According to teacherlist, Kleenex is the number one facial tissue brand trusted by teachers. Kleenex Ultra soft tissues are silky soft to help prevent skin irritation. And now you can take them anywhere with Kleenex Snap and Go. Between dance, soccer, school events and everything else kids have going on after school, Kleenex Snap and Go is easy to take along. It fits in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school.
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B
We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either.
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A
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B
Yeah, it's, it's getting to that point where, where Netflix has near death experience shows, you know.
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C
Right, yes.
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B
You know, and talking about channeling and talking about psychic phenomenon and all these things that were like, you're crazy and now quantum physics and spirituality are starting to, to start to marry a little bit more. And there's quantum physicists who are talking about spirituality in their sp. In their, in their work. And it's, it's a, it's an interesting time to be alive, my friend.
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C
That's definitely, absolutely. Alex, you said it. You said it.
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B
So let me ask you a few questions. So let me ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests. Michael, what is your definition of living a good life?
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C
Is helping people to overcome their fears and to help them understand a greater reality.
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B
What is Your definition of God.
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C
All that is pure unconditional love.
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B
And what is the ultimate purpose of life?
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C
To grow, to learn and to ascend into a higher level and return eventually to Source.
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B
And where can people find out more about you, your book and the work that you're doing, sir?
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C
Oh, well, it's available on the Face of the One is available on Amazon and you can, people can reach me through. We have a really good group on Facebook, Freedom from Fear Based Beliefs. And I enjoy working with all the our members and I would invite people to contact us through that. Also I'm on the board of the Santa Fe Institute for Mediumship and Spiritual Studies. And yeah, I can be contacted through there as well. Even though I live here in Austin. I, I do a lot of work with, I go to Santa Fe a lot. So anyway.
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B
And do you have any final words for our audience?
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C
Yeah, there's something I, I, this, this is a very powerful meme that I want to read and to reflect, I think people, I invite people to reflect on this. An old Eskimo chief is talking to a priest and he says, if I didn't know about God and sin, would I go to hell? And the priest says, no, not if you did not know. And the Eskimo says, then why in the hell did you tell me? That's great. And this is what we're talking about. It's just like, I mean, how many times have I heard that? Why are they telling me this stuff? I mean, I'm, you know, it's, it's those, those fear based beliefs that need to be eradicated. They need to be exposed and people need to exercise their independent, risking strength and say, I'm going to do my own thinking and not let other people do my thinking for me.
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B
And I think that is the awakening that is happening right now. More and more people are starting to wake up. More and more people are starting to look inside for the answers to elevate their own vibration, to elevate their own evolution without a medium, a middleman or middle woman in these kind of fear based ideas that, that, that have been around for thousands of years and I guess had their place in the evolution of what we were doing. But we're now at another stage of the evolution. We are, you know, it's like at a certain point the horse and buggy had to go.
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C
Absolutely.
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B
At a certain point the horse and buggy had to go.
- [74:59]
C
So absolutely.
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B
We're in another place, my friend. Thank you again for not only being on the show, but for the work you're doing in the world and your bravery for. For telling your story and sharing your raw everything that you've gone through, my friend. So I appreciate you.
- [75:13]
C
Yeah, thank you, Alex. I appreciate you as well.
- [75:18]
B
Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this episode at nextlevelsoul.com forward/219. And if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at NextLevel Soul TV. Until next time, Keep expanding, keep seeking, and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.
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A
Hey, guys, it's Joe. It's Kevin. And this is Nick Jonas from. Hey, Jonas. Do you remember growing up when it felt like every teacher had a favorite student? Everybody knew who it was. Well, I was homeschooled, so I like to think it was me.
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B
A class of one. Congratulations.
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A
But we're not here to talk about favorite students. We want to talk about a teacher's real favorite Kleenex tissues. According to teacher list, Kleenex is the number one facial tissue brand trusted by teachers. Kleenex Ultra Soft tissues are silky soft to help prevent skin irritation. And now you can take them anywhere with Kleenex. Snap and Go. Between dance, soccer, school events, and everything else kids have going on after school, Kleenex Snap and Go is easy to take along. It fits in backpacks, sports bags, or even in the car. So it's ready for whatever comes next. So do the best thing for your kids and teachers. Stock up on the ultimate classroom favorite. Maybe you'll even become the teacher's favorite parent. We still haven't settled who would be the favorite in our school.
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B
We haven't settled who the favorite brother is either.
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A
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