Psychic Reveals Humanity's Next Great Shift with Lisa Williams

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Psychic Reveals Humanity's Next Great Shift"

Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari
Guest: Lisa Williams (Psychic Medium)
Date: May 26, 2026

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Overview

In this vibrant and insightful episode, Alex Ferrari sits down with renowned psychic medium Lisa Williams to discuss her journey, the evolution of mediumship, and the coming spiritual and societal shifts humanity faces. The conversation blends the practical with the mystical, covering Lisa’s personal path, generational perspectives on death and spirituality, ethics in psychic work, the current climate of global instability, predictions about humanity’s collective journey, and the expanding integration of science, consciousness, and AI. Lisa shares not only her abilities but also offers grounded advice for listeners seeking clarity amidst uncertainty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Lisa’s Background & Family Perspective

• Lisa’s Early Experiences:

  • Grew up in a family where mediumship was normal (grandmother was a medium; aunt did paranormal investigations).
  • Quote: “I didn’t know it was a gift. I thought we all had it. My grandmother was a psychic medium. My aunt did paranormal investigations. So it was part of the family, really.” (06:21)

• Navigating Skepticism—Her Father’s Journey:

  • Her dad, a staunch atheist, was her “greatest gift” in skepticism, actively trying to debunk her work until witnessing events he couldn’t explain.
  • Quote: “My dad was the biggest skeptic going, I’ve got to tell you… At the end of that whole show, run of shows, we did 12 in a row, he said, ‘You know what, I’ve got to believe you.’” (09:27–09:52)

• Generational Differences & Comfort with Death:

  • Observes that older generations grapple with death differently, often holding fear or rigid beliefs, whereas younger generations are much more open and energetically sensitive.
  • Quote: “Part of me wonders if it’s the feminine just being so accepting of where they are and if it’s the men, that masculine energy of fight, fight, push, control.” (16:39)

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Discovering and Embracing Her Path

• First Realization of Her Abilities:

  • Describes first adult experience seeing a “dead person” and an early reading that became pivotal in accepting her calling.
  • Quote: “I guess the gift chose me. I didn’t really choose this work.” (22:41)

• Family Predictions:

  • Grandmother foretold her career, spot-on about her future fame, moving to America, and marrying someone in uniform.
  • Quote: “You’ll never have to advertise… It’s always been laid on this plate, so to speak.” (23:16)

• Message on Mediumship:

  • Everyone has some intuitive ability; it’s just developed to different degrees, akin to musical or athletic talent.
  • Quote: “I feel that we all have a calling and we all have an ability… Some people want to go on and develop it.” (06:21)

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Ethics and Responsibility in Psychic Mediumship

• Delivering Hard Truths:

  • Shares the difficulty of preparing a client for the imminent passing of a loved one, underscoring the importance of compassion and discretion.
  • Quote: “I was never going to take his hope away, but I had to prepare him for what was the inevitable.” (28:06)

• Ethical Practice:

  • Strongly advocates for “micro consent” throughout readings, always checking whether people truly want to hear potential outcomes.
  • Quote: “I always ask, do you want to know everything? I am known for that… I always feel like I’m carrying their life in the palm of my hands.” (29:34)

• Discernment & Safe Spaces:

  • Urges listeners to trust their instincts when selecting a medium and seek those who provide emotional safety.
  • Quote: “That psychic medium, that healer, that teacher has to create a safe container for you… it’s really about trusting your own instinct.” (32:33)

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The Present and Future: Humanity’s Collective Shift

The Macro View: Humanity’s Turmoil & Transformation

• Global Energetic Shift:

  • Lisa perceives a dissolution of old paradigms and an “infiltration of new energy,” with advances in science and spirituality merging for a new wave in human development.
  • Quote: “We’re in a massive shift… old constructs are leaving… dissolving before our eyes, and we are having an infiltration of new energy.” (38:22)

• Necessity of Crisis & Change:

  • Compares current global “insanity” to forest fires in nature—destruction that’s actually necessary for renewal and rebalance.
  • Quote: “All of this fighting and all of this destruction is actually paving the way for the new world to actually be upon us.” (39:51)

Predictions: War, Economy, and Technology

• Geopolitical Conflict:

  • Sees continued conflict and turmoil, especially for the next 3 years, possibly until about 2028–2029, but believes a world war as we know it is unlikely.
  • Quote: “I keep feeling for the next three years, there’s going to be some form of conflict… but I do feel that we’re going to be okay.” (44:32–46:47)

• Truth & Leadership:

  • Anticipates a move toward transparency and a need for leaders who resonate with universal truth, though recognizes “truth” is subjective and complex.
  • Quote: “We have to be putting people in place that resonate for our truth… truth is really abstract.” (54:46)

• Economic Downturn & Future of Money:

  • Foresees economic difficulties reminiscent of 2008, a widening gap between the wealthy and not-wealthy, and the rise of new financial paradigms.
  • Quote: “I do feel that there’s going to be a real, real struggle… things are going to crumble again and shift.” (64:41)

• Role of AI and Science:

  • Predicts AI and neuroscience will revolutionize medicine, diagnostics, and even mediumship research (using AI to analyze patterns in thousands of readings).
  • Quote: “AI will possibly find the cure for cancer because it will look at every research ever done.” (77:57)

• Healthcare’s Holistic Shift:

  • Expects mainstream medicine to more fully integrate functional, emotional, and holistic approaches—treating root causes, not just symptoms.
  • Quote: “There’s going to be exponential changes in our healthcare systems… science is absolutely exponentially changing in the medical practice.” (74:31)

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Living with Uncertainty: How to Cope and Grow

• Advice for Navigating Fearful or Uncertain Times:

  • Turn down the “noise”; limit media consumption to reputable sources.
  • Develop a practice of meditation or mindfulness to calm the nervous system.
  • Use discernment and listen to intuition—your “internal compass.”
  • Quote: “Trust your own instincts… Listen to yourself. You are your own inner guide.” (83:41)

• Personal Responsibility & Empowerment:

  • Awareness of potential future shifts is empowering—like preparing for a hurricane. Awareness plus conscious choices affect outcomes (timelines can shift).
  • Quote: “Having awareness is like… before a hurricane hits, you can start preparing.” (68:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I always knew, looking back, I always knew at school when things were going to happen. And that intuitive part of it was very, you know, very much alive in me.” – Lisa Williams (21:39)

• “Whenever you’ve got that happening and your mind is racing… I ask you to take a breath and create space between the two.” – Lisa Williams (43:34)

• “I’ve done it where I can be so sick before a reading, before going on stage… and I am absolutely fine. That is when I’m tapped into universal energy.” – Lisa Williams (53:06)

• “We are really having these big emotional experiences. This is a place that you learn so much emotion, you carry so much emotion…” – Lisa Williams (58:07)

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Important Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 03:02 — Lisa’s introduction, early TV career, and normalization of psychic phenomena
• 06:21 — Lisa’s family background in mediumship; discussion on intuition as a common ability
• 09:27 — Her father’s skepticism and eventual acceptance
• 14:20–17:32 — Differences in death acceptance across generations and genders
• 19:55 — First encounters with “the other side” and accepting her calling
• 23:16 — Grandmother’s prophecy; success through word-of-mouth and fate
• 26:35 — The ethics of mediumship and delivering difficult news
• 32:33 — Discernment and emotional safety with psychics and healers
• 38:22 — Humanity’s great energetic transition: paradigm dissolution and new energy
• 44:32 — Predictions about continued global conflicts and eventual stabilization
• 64:41 — Economic outlook; future divides and new paradigms in wealth and money
• 74:31 — Future of medicine: emotional roots of illness, holistic integration, AI’s promising role
• 81:35 — Coping strategies for managing uncertainty and fear about the future
• 83:41 — Lisa’s closing message: trust in your own inner guidance

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Final Messages & Takeaways

• Empowerment: Everyone has intuitive abilities and the capacity to connect; development is a matter of choice and practice.
• Trust Your Instincts: Whether seeking psychic insights or navigating world events, always return to your own inner compass.
• Change Is Inevitable: Humanity is moving through necessary turmoil toward a period of greater truth, transparency, and holistic understanding.
• Prepare, Don’t Panic: Awareness enables preparation, not fear—use discernment, stay grounded, and take responsibility for your inner world.
• Blend of Science and Spirit: Exciting integrations are ahead as science, technology, and consciousness research increasingly align.

Closing Quote:
“You are your own inner guide. You don’t need anybody else to tell you. It’s really about what you trust.” – Lisa Williams (83:41)

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For more information, visit:
Lisa Williams: lisawilliams.com
Next Level Soul TV: nextlevelsoul.tv

Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

I like to welcome to the show Lisa Williams. How you doing, Lisa?

[Lisa Williams]

Oh, thank you so much. It's nice to be here. I'm good.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for. For coming. Coming on the show. I. I've been. I was watching a lot of your tv. You did a lot of television back in the days as a psychic medium in the night. It looks like it's like 90s, early 2000s stuff.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, early. It was early 2000s. It was 2006 that I started. Came over here and it's my 20 years in America today this year. Really? Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, I was kind of thrown onto the whole TV scene and it was just a real. It was really new for me. I'd never done anything like it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it's. Well, yeah, in the late 90s, early 2000s, there was a lot of, you know, psychic shows and James Van Praag and John Edwards and those guys. Everybody was. And with Sylvia Brown had, back in the day, all these people had different shows. So it was all the rage back then. But I think that was kind of the starting point, though, of this stuff in that starting point in the sense of like making it, normalizing it and pulling it out from the back of the corner of the occult bookstore or

[Lisa Williams]

the carnival, you know. That's right. We came from under, from out of our tent with our crystal ball and our big earrings and our tie dye. Yes. Or above it. Cloaks.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes. Lots of velvet. A lot of crushed velvet. A lot of crush.

[Lisa Williams]

Oh, my gosh. Yes. Yeah, yeah. You know, it was. And I think, you know, for me, I grew up watching the TV like John Edward, James Van Praagh, Sylvia Brown. And when I got the opportunity to come over to America, you know, you say. You say yes to opportunities, and I came over and I was not expecting it to be this, like, crazy time in my life, because truly what happened is I think everybody just went, oh, my God. I believe it, I believe it, I believe it. And now it's everywhere. So this part of me that feels really proud to actually have been part of that, I guess, pathway for other people to develop their own abilities. But it was kind of a. It was a little daunting at the time. It really was.

[Alex Ferrari]

Girlfriend, I completely understand what you're saying, because this is the. This is daunting at times doing this work. So I, in a. In a different way, understand your path, for sure. So let's go back for a second. When did you. When did you first realize that you had this. These gifts or these abilities? And when I say those gifts and abilities, I want to really preface it to say that everybody has these abilities. Everyone has the ability to have. We're all connected. It's just some of us have it like. Just like Michael Jordan could play basketball. You and I could play basketball, but not like Michael Jordan could, you know, it's like, you know, so that kind of thing. So I just want to preface that because a lot of people, you know, put people, put psychic mediums, channelers, mystics up on a pedestal, and what we try to do is say, no, look, guys, everyone can do this. They might be ahead down the road a little bit, and they're here to guide you. Would you agree with all that?

[Lisa Williams]

I completely agree with that. And actually, what I always say is everyone can sing. Some people, you know, may not want to get out of the gym or the shower singing that. You know, that's a little comfort zone. And some people are the karaoke singers that can go on with a little bit of work, they can go on and be whoever in the world. But I do feel that we all have a calling and we all have an ability. We all have this intuitive ability. We all have those moments where we go, huh, did that really happen? Or was that a sign? Or am I really feeling my loved one around me? And then there's some people that want to go on and develop it. Now I will say there are some amazing individuals that have not being born gifted or born into it and have gone on to just develop it. And. And it's just been incredible. So, you know, I. I think I first. To answer your question, I think I first realized, you know, I. I didn't know it was a gift. I thought we all had it. My grandmother was a psychic medium. My aunt did paranormal investigations. So it was part of the family, really. You know, it was just kind of a normal thing that we did.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it wasn' you so your journey. And I, since I've spoken to so many, you know, psychics, mediums, channelers, these and people who are born into certain families, certain communities, certain religions. Like I was just speaking to one that yesterday that was a Greek Orthodox and his family completely has. He's been ousted from the family because he wanted to go down this r. So you actually in your soul blueprint said, you know what? I'm good with that. Let me go into a situation where everyone's going to be like, this is cool. Hey, you. Oh, you've got the gift too. Let's walk it out. As opposed to. That's the devil's work. Get out. Well, and that's two different paths as well. I mean, I'm assuming it's not. It's all been peachy peaches and cream all the way, but you know what I mean.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, no, my, listen, my dad was the biggest skeptic going, I got to tell you. You know, he was actually my greatest gift because he was constantly saying to me, you know, I don't believe in this. I don't believe in this. My mom was completely open, but I almost had to prove myself and level myself up to be like my grandmother, because my grandmother was like, apparently, you know, incredible. But my dad, I never forget my dad actually saying we had a massive argument and he, he, he basically said, I'm not coming to support you. And I was really upset. And then we had this big argument. Anyway, he came and he sat there, he went to Wayne Dyer's event, he went to, you know, Brian Weiss's, and then he sat in with me and he was like, well, you know, there might be something to this thing, but I'm going to go and see the man that doesn't wear shoes on stage who I played golf with, which was Wayne Dyer. And I was like, okay. And I never forget, one year he came to Australia with me and he searched every theater, you know, for hidden cameras, for audio devices. He searched the backstage, even looked in my ear before I went on stage, see if I had a hidden, hidden like little earpiece. And I said, no. And he, and at the end of that whole show, run of shows, we did 12 in a row, he said, you know what, I've got to believe you. He said, because I sat next to someone who had a reading, I've questioned people. He said, I gotta believe you.

[Alex Ferrari]

So there's two questions there. I have to follow up questions to that one. I find it fascinating as a father not to, I mean, to go so hard into not believing your daughter. Like, I have kids, so, I mean, there's a certain skepticism, but at a certain point, I personally, through my path, I would have just like, okay, I get this.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's one too, though. The follow up question is, what causes someone to have such a skeptical point of view on something? Is it one, because they don't want to believe, they're afraid that it's actually true, or two, it really just shakes their foundation of the story that they've told themselves? Of how the world works that I cannot. And. And that's. It could get to an extreme where I have to fight you about it. Or like, it's kind of like my God's better than your God kind of conversation.

[Lisa Williams]

You know, I think I. I've done a lot of thinking about this, and me and my mom have spoken about it many times. And I love my dad. And he. I think he's scared. I think there's a real depth of his fear here. And I think at the beginning, when I first started, it was all about saving face because, you know, he went to the golf club and, you know, all of his guys were there, and he was like, but what am I going to tell them at the golf club? I'm like, I speak to dead people. And then he saw one of his friends who was at the golf club come out of my office. He's like, what was he doing here? I went the same as most of my other clients, and he went, no. And so I think there was that element of saving face, but it really shakes his core belief. My dad's a big atheist, doesn't want to believe in God, believes that, you know, if there was a God, why would they take children? Why would there be this political, you know, dispute? Why would all of this be happening?

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[Lisa Williams]

And you know, the more. And it's interesting as he's getting older, he's 78 now, hates his birthday and realizes, I think he's realizing he's getting to that older age and he now has to face this potential of, you know, we're all going to pass away at some point. And I think it shakes him. I think it really does. He.

[Alex Ferrari]

I.

[Lisa Williams]

My dad is so fearful of death and which is ironic here because his daughter lives and swims in death every day. And I think I find death such a beautiful experience and it's such a. And it sounds really bizarre, but I think it can be such an incredible experience if you are blessed to be part of that ritual of passing. But my dad's just fearful of it and I think that's one of the reasons why he's so skeptical.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, he's closer to the end than he is to the beginning.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Essentially at this point in the game, you know, and I think that's, you know, you and I seem to be of this, of similar vintage. So I love that. Yes, we're of similar vintage. And even us, we're, we're now Midway and I understand, I understand why all of a sudden Midway at best case scenarios, you know, God knows where we're going to be and with technology and, you know, advancements and all in medicine and all that stuff's going to be. But, but I understand the midlife crisis, the midlife questioning. I get it. I was told about the. I don't have a Ferrari. No. No pun intended. You know, I'm not chasing, you know, young women and none of that stuff. I'm exhausted. Couldn't. I couldn't. I can. No, no. I have too much work to do. I have no time. But I, But I. But I've understand that idea and it starts to question. You start to question a whole lot of things. And just like you, I swim in this scenario all the time. It's something I think about all the time. It's in my work on a daily basis. So for me it's also a. And I, it's like of a questioning of like I feel comfortable with death. I, I don't like everyone. I always like the joke. It's like everybody wants to go to heaven, just not right now.

[Lisa Williams]

And it's a true story.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a very true story. But I, but I understand that. And now that my. My parents are of that age as well, one is more comfortable with it. My mom than my dad.

[Lisa Williams]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

That is very much like your father.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Terrifying. Not atheist, but ac. Atheist adjacent. Understands like raised in Catholic and Christian ideas and stuff like that. But it's fascinating.

[Lisa Williams]

I wonder just part of me wonders because obviously I see this every day. Part of me wonders if it's the feminine just being so accepting of where they are and if it's the men that masculine energy of fight, fight, you know, push control, control. And I think it's the. It's interesting with the dynamic of masculine and feminine because I see it yet my husband, who is younger than I am, he's really comfortable with death. You know, I mean he was ex military now of 20 years and he's, you know, so he's seen a lot around. But I think it's a very interesting. Especially that generation. You know, I've seen so much of it in that generation where there's a lot of this is how it should be. This is what the Bible says. This is where it, you know, it's how. It's how it was, how it was laid out for them. It's just interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's a story that they were told and it's a story that they held on to through some difficult times because they, you know, that generation was raised through very difficult times. Not that this is peaches and cream right now for us, but we. We're different. We have a different experience. And these younger generations coming up, they are not buying any of it.

[Lisa Williams]

No, no, they're not.

[Alex Ferrari]

Just. Yeah. And even when they are told that, they're just like, I don't know or things like. It's interesting to see.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah. You know, I actually have a lot of my staff are in that younger generation and I have two adult children now. And you know, I love the Fact that they're coming up with their own thoughts, their own minds, their own ideas. And I remember actually saying to my. One of my members of staff who has become like a daughter to me, she. I said, I just want to apologize for our generation, you know, because we have really like, this is how you've got to do it, because that's how it was impressed upon us. But the fact that, you know, she was born into a very, very religious background, you know, there was a space with her, her parents, and now she's actually trained as a psychic medium and she now works for, obviously, me in the school. It's very interesting how there's still a little rigidity in the dynamics there. But I think that the younger generation are born knowing there's just this. They're aware of it. They're just so aware of the energy and how everything's moving and changing. And if we think about it, they're our future. And we really do have to nurture that because they're the ones that are going to be making decisions for us when we are older. Maybe we can't. So I always try to guide them in the right, right way. It's just. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

During your early years doing this, did you ever feel before you started doing it as a. As a career or as part of your life purpose when you discovered that, I'm assuming the first time you saw a dead person or started getting. You said, oh, yeah, this is the way I'm supposed to go. How did that actually go free? I mean, you were. But you were introduced to all of this stuff by your grandmother and aspects of your family. So I. It wasn't like, what's happening? But did you feel it as a burden?

[Lisa Williams]

No, it kind of was because my grandmother, you know, my grandmother, we always had this. We. We had a certain code that we had to knock on the door in a certain way because she knew it was us. And then, you know, we were not allowed to touch these particular cards. We weren't allowed to sit in this seat because it was sacred, you know. And so it was kind of a little bit weird really, if you think about it, back in the 80s and 90s. And I remember she passed away before any of this really developed in me. And I remember sitting with her, and I was 19, and she sat me down on the special seat that was sacred, and she tapped her finger on the table and she said, I'm going to read for you, but if I see my own death, I'm stopping. And I was like, oh, so that was actually my first introduction to it. And she said, you are going to be. You're going to be famous. You're going to be in America. You're going to be on tv. You're going to marry someone in the military or in a uniform. And she said, and you are going to continue with my work. And I went, there ain't no way I'm speaking to dead people. I don't do that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And so I kind of had that moment. But what was interesting is I always knew, looking back, I always knew at school when things were going to happen. And that intuitive part of it was very, you know, very much alive in me. But when I first saw my first dead person, that I. That when I was older, you know, I'd seen them when I was much younger. But when I first saw it when I was older, I'm sitting and I'd had a few drinks, and we'd been out for the night, and it was a. You know, I had a girlfriend. We came back and she said, I can't drive. I said, well, you're going to have to stay over. And we were in bed, and we were just like. Because I said, you know, the spare room isn't, you know, whatever, so you'd have to sleep with me. So we're sitting there. She said, you know, you're a medium. I went, yeah, okay. And she said, no, you're a medium. I was like, okay. And then I just suddenly looked over by the closet, and I said, there's a man standing over there. And she said, tell me more. Tell me more. I said, well, he's like your dad. He's not your dad, but he died of a heart attack. And I don't know what else to say because he's just staring at me. And she said, my adopted dad died of a heart attack. And I was like. And I didn't know what else to say. And so it really shocked me at that point. It really shocked me. And that was the first experience that I had. And then. And then it was shortly after that that I did a paid reading. What was my first paid reading. That it really freaked me out. And I. I just didn't know what I was doing. It was like fumbling in the dark. I had no idea what I was doing, but it became this thing that I just fell into. And before I knew it, everyone was coming from miles around. I had a, you know, a waiting list of months, and it was insane. So it. I guess the gift chose me. I didn't really choose this work.

[Alex Ferrari]

It sounds like it was almost laid out on a platter for you.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You didn't have to, like, hustle and, and trouble and all that. Like, it was just like, here you go, now you're doing the work.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, that's exactly it, you know, and what was interesting with it is I remember my grandmother always saying to me, you'll never have to advertise. She said, remember, you don't advertise, you always do. Worth of mouth.

[Next Level Soul Host]

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[Next Level Soul Host]

And now back to the show.

[Lisa Williams]

And you know, I was only Thinking about this recently, and I was like, yeah, you know what, Nan? We're now in 2026. And now it's social media and everything else that is a form of interviews. Interviews, Everything else. But she's been right. I've never had to hustle. I've never had to. It's always been laid on this. This plate, so to. So to speak. And the more I've dived into my soul calling and the more I've dived into, you know, my life choices and what I chose, the more I truly realize is that obviously I chose this pathway, you know, and it became this enlightened experience. And in so many ways, touching people now has just been the best part of my life. Being able to help some and be a facet of someone's healing, healing, which I think has been just so beautiful in a way.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is the hardest truth you've ever had to deliver to somebody in a reading?

[Lisa Williams]

Oh,

[Alex Ferrari]

And then we'll follow that one with which is the funniest.

[Lisa Williams]

Okay. Well, the hardest truth was recently. The hardest truth was recently I had been working with a client of mine for quite some time, and. And I hadn't heard from her. And then I got a message from her husband saying that she was in icu. And she said. He said to me, he said, I would love a reading. And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. And all I could. All I knew is that she was going to pass. As soon as he told me she was in icu, I was like, she's going to pass. So he came, he. We did a reading. And interestingly enough, while she was still alive, she still came through and she was discussed. She was talking to me, and she was talking in a. You know, I know the difference when they're alive and when they've crossed over. And it was a really hard space because I had to. I wasn't ne. I was never going to give him. I was never going to take his hope away, but I had to prepare him for what was the inevitable. And that was a really hard space, and that was really devastating. And she passed two days after that. But in a way, what was really remarkable was that he went back prepared. So when she did have the brain hemorrhage, and then they took her off dialysis, and she, you know, there was. She only survived, like, five minutes after that. There was a preparation in him. And, you know, and it's hard to think that now that was the situation. It's only been a couple of weeks. And I read for him and the family just last week. And this, the way that they were prepared, the way that they held it together was unbelievable. And I think that was one of the hardest truths that I've had to really step into.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before we get to the funniest.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can we just talk about the ethics of being a psychic medium, which is something so important because I've had horrible readings when I was in my 20s. Like, people were, like, telling me things that they shouldn't have. You know, you don't, from what I understand, you don't go, yeah, you're gonna die on March 7, 2046, at around 12:20.

[Lisa Williams]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, you don't. That's not something that supposedly you're supposed to do. So can you just talk about the ethics? And also for people who are searching, because if they're watching this, they're probably interested or thinking about doing a reading with someone, if it's not you, or with somebody else, to kind of protect themselves and to, to, to have discernment on. Is this, is this psychic medium, Right. For me, because just because you have the abilities of being a psychic medium doesn't make you a good person.

[Lisa Williams]

Correct? Yeah. Right. You know, I, I, and I'm glad that you brought this up, actually, Alex, because I think this is one of the things that I really stand for is the ethical part of it. I have had to, I have, I have shared many times that someone has, is going to pass, but not in the way that I am saying it to you, where sometimes I have said, oh, I'm being shown, yeah, you know, a certain color roses. And I'm being told this. And then looking back on hindsight, you know, that's exactly what happened. And those roses meant death to that person. So there has been a couple of times and instances where that's happened. But in reality, if, when it comes to ethics, I'm never going. I always ask, do you want to know everything? I am known for that. I asked it on every TV show. I ask it in every reading. I make sure. And then what I do is throughout the reading, I ask for micro consent all the way. So I'm constantly asking, are you okay to receive this? Because as we know with nervous systems and neuroscience, which I studied a huge amount since the pandemic, I've gone into this, and I've realized that as much as people say, yes, yes, yes, I want to know their nervous system can't cope with it. I am not here. And I think one of the biggest things here is I'm not here. To ruin someone's life because you know this. And I've had it where some. My husband was going off to Afghan, Afghanistan. And she said, if your husband goes to Afghanistan, he will not come home alive. And I will tell you, that devastated me. And, you know, it was someone I trusted to do a reading with me as well. And that was a very hard space. And so whenever we're in that place, I always ask for this micro consent. I always constantly ask. I'm always watching for signs and their cues of their. But not necessarily body language, but their, their nervous system. And I will always. I always feel like I'm carrying the, the life, their life in the palm of my hands. Not just for the hour that they're with me, but for the rest of their life. Because I will guarantee verbatim that they can remember everything that a psychic has told them 20 years ago. But you can't remember what you have for dinner last night because it's so emotional and people are going to remember it how they want to remember it. So there's times in my readings, I don't do a traditional reading where I'm like, be quiet. I encourage communication because for me, we're dealing with some real tragic stuff. And I've had to. In my work, I've actually studied trauma because of the amount of people that I get who have massive amounts of trauma that come along. And I sit with them and I'm like, okay, we're going to have a conversation here, you know, and we step in and then I. That cycling and cycling. I say, do you want to know where this has come from? So then we dive back and sometimes we go into childhood and so we're seeing these moments. Sometimes childhood wounds come up, but there's always these little micro consents that we have to have because it's ethics. And so I would say to anybody, if they are listening and they're thinking about going to see a psychic medium, you have to trust your own instincts. Just because, you know, somebody said this person's amazing, it doesn't always mean that they're right for you. And you, that psychic medium, that healer, that teacher has to create a safe container for you, safe container to hold your emotion. And that to me is so powerful. And so I think it's really about trusting, trusting your own instinct before you actually jump in and book an appointment with somebody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said. Beautifully said.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

So your, your ability, you're saying that you saw that stepfather in the corner. Is that just out of curiosity? Because everyone's Different. Some people just hear, some people see, smell all the Claire's. Do you just walk around seeing dead people? Is there. Is there anybody here right now? Like, is Uncle Bob here?

[Lisa Williams]

Well, you know what's funny? You just said that. Is anyone here? I was like, oh, his grandfather's there. But no, I don't. I don't want to because honestly, I think I'll be six foot under with them at that point. It would drive me absolutely crazy. But I do feel a grandfather here for you. I'm just saying hello from your granddad. But without. Without going in. It was his. Anyway, he's starting to.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's starting to chat you up, isn't he?

[Lisa Williams]

Yes. He's very chatty to him to hold off.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll talk later.

[Lisa Williams]

I'm like, dude, anyway, it's so interesting. Oh, my gosh, he really is a chatterbox, isn't he? It's like he's. There's someone.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, okay, so let me ask you this then. All right, so now he's talking to you. This is a real world experience, right? So my grandfather's there chatting you. You're trying to have a conversation with me. Can you put the clothes sign up

[Next Level Soul Host]

for a minute ago?

[Alex Ferrari]

Hey, just relax.

[Lisa Williams]

Yes, I can.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, you can do that.

[Lisa Williams]

Okay. Yes, I do, and I absolutely do. And I've just had to do it. But it. When some of them, sometimes they want to come in really, really strong. And, you know, in a way, I was, you know, gearing up for this. I was kind of aware that someone may come in. And I'm open to it at this point, but in everyday experiences, you know, when I'm driving, when I'm in yoga, when I'm going to the store, I don't want to speak to them. You know, I get you want.

[Alex Ferrari]

You live your life.

[Lisa Williams]

I want to live my life. Yeah. And honestly, that's what I do. You know, you can switch it on, you can switch it off.

[Alex Ferrari]

I apologize for my grandfather.

[Lisa Williams]

That's okay. He's very proud of you, by the way, and he's really glad that you followed the dream. I was like, okay, fine.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing.

[Next Level Soul Host]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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One thing about the locker room, it's a mix of everything. Different races, religions, backgrounds, opinions, all of it. And yeah, you argue, you joke around, you disagree constantly. But when it actually matters, you've got each other's backs, no question. That's just being a good teammate. And honestly, that shouldn't stop when the game ends. But right now, hate is rising across communities in different ways, and Jewish communities are getting hit hard by it. And hate doesn't stay in one place, it spreads. So this isn't about agreeing on everything, it's just about showing up for people. The blue square is a simple way to do that. Just saying, yeah, I'm not cool with hate. Go to bluesquarealliance.org grab one, share it. It's not complicated. Just be the kind of teammate you'd want in your corner.

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[Next Level Soul Host]

And now back to the show.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so let me ask you. You know, we've been talking a lot about the smaller aspect of like that's a smaller, but the micro aspect of it. But let's get into the macro because there's a lot of stuff going on in the world. When you tune into humanity right now, what is the feeling that is coming? Because there is a lot of fear out there.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, there's a lot of fear. And I'm really glad that you asked that question, because when I tap into humanity and it's actually a conversation I've had many times is that we're in a massive shift. We're in a complete shift. And it's been happening for the last several years. And as I'm talking about it, I literally have full body chills right now. And I do feel that old paradigms, old constructs are leaving. It's like this. There is a dissolution of a regime that is dissolving before our eyes, and that we are having an infiltration of energy, of new energy, whether you want to call it new age, whatever you want to call it, but new energy influxing in and the. The advances of science that is happening right now, and this is actually being channeled to me right now. But the advances of science that is happening, you bring that in with the old laws of spirituality. We're getting a new wave in the world. We're getting a new. A new wave. And we're actually starting to see how. How humanity should be working. But all of this fighting and all of this destruction is actually paving the way for the new world to actually be upon us.

[Alex Ferrari]

That makes a lot of sense because you have to kind of. Well, I mean, like any. Like a forest fire.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

A fire has to happen in order. I think it's in the. I think it's pine trees. I'm not sure if it's pine trees or there is a. A tree that. Their seeds do not get released until they are burned, and they are that. So when there is a forest fire, all those seeds go into the ashes and all the new ones come up. So it is part of nature. I mean, if you see. Sometimes things get overgrown. There's too many trees or too many things fighting for too many resources in a specific set of land. Nature comes in and goes, no, no, no, there's. We're out of balance here. We have to clear out some stuff naturally. And yeah, it's because there is an equal balance in nature, even with, you know, predators and prey and all of that stuff. But when the balance gets shifted, and a lot of times that balance gets shifted by us, you know, I mean, you. You're in Florida. I come from Florida. When I was growing up, there were no anacondas in the Everglades.

[Lisa Williams]

Oh, wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now they're anacondas in the Everglades. And now they've become the apex predator. And the alligator is suffering because he doesn't know, because he's not supposed to be there. So they're out of balance. So I use that as an example of the. How we're. As humanity. The world is so out of balance.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we have. So do you. Do you agree that a lot of the insanity. And it is insanity that is happening right now, it's not only needed, but it has to happen in order for the new to come along. Because you kind of need these bulls, and there are many bulls in China shops all around the world, all around the World breaking things left and right. So they're breaking things that we would rather not have broken and other things that absolutely need to be broken. But it's kind of like a, there's no scalpels here. It's all sledgehammer.

[Lisa Williams]

You know, I, it's a great way of putting it. And in all fairness, I think if we, if we understand the mind, and I think we have to understand the mind right now. The mind is our realm of safety. We, our mind is, is geared to keep us safe. And so whatever has culturally kept us safe, you've had, you've had a life, I've had a life. People, everyone's had a different life. We have cultural differences. And so our cultural differences have formulated what we perceive to be safe or unsafe. And our lived experiences perceived perceive us to be safe or unsafe. So our brain has a reference point. So anything outside of that that is going on that we are not comfortable with or that we sometimes are struggling with, our brain's gonna go and have this like, freak out. But reality, when we connect into the soul and we actually take the brain away from us, and we are in that soul space and we look at it almost from a bird's eye view of what is actually happening in humanity, we can see that this actually needs to happen. This needs to happen to find some form of semblance, to find some form of balance. Because there is such an imbalance right now. And I always say to people, whenever you've got that happening and your mind is racing and you're questioning the what, where, why, when, how, who, and your soul is really struggling to actually understand what's going on. I ask you people to take a breath and create space between the two, because that breath will allow you to calm. And in that breath you can find some form of understanding and some form of balance. But it is scary out there. And I do think that we need this shake up for us to find that, that balance back in the world.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now when you're seeing all of these conflicts happening around the world right now, obviously as we, as of this conversation in the US is at war with Iran and you know, Russia's still in the Ukraine and you know, the Palestinians. And there's just so many different conflicts going on in the world. Some are pretty, pretty terrifying, specifically the US and Iran right now, because it's not just, just a local, hey, I need more land. Yeah, kind of scenario this is like, this has much bigger implications. What do you see in that and what do you see in the next five years 10 years in regards to these Iran, this, specifically the Iran and God knows what other conflict that might arise any day now somewhere else.

[Lisa Williams]

I know, I know. I. Oh, so that's a loaded question. I think when I look at what is going to happen, I think there's a lot more turmoil that we're going to experience. I think what's. I truly believe that we've all chosen to be born this time because our souls are ready for this conflict. And I do think there's going to be a lot more choices in. Let's talk America right now, because this is where we both live. But if we talk about America, I do feel that Americans will, will have to have a lot more choices. And I do feel that. I keep feeling for the next three years there's going to be some form of conflict. So for the next three years is going to be some form of conflict. And I keep wanting to go to 2028, maybe beginning of 2029. And I do feel that there's going to be a lot more decisions that the American people will have, but they have to start stepping up and there has to be a lot more. It's going to create us a lot more gathering, coming together and speaking up. That's what's going to help us. But I do think there's going to be a lot of. And for some reason, I just kept seeing different countries also being involved as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

In these, in these, in this turmoil.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah. In this turmoil.

[Alex Ferrari]

Against us or with us.

[Lisa Williams]

With us.

[Alex Ferrari]

With us. Going. Going into it.

[Lisa Williams]

Going into it.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, it. I, I don't particularly. I, My, this is my gut feeling. I mean, but you're the professional.

[Lisa Williams]

No, I'm all about listening.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, I don't believe there will be another world world war in this. In the scope or, or the scope or the way we know of it. Like, I don't think there's going to be anything like that because we're just. That our technology now has become so powerful and that we can wipe ourselves out.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very easily. Very, very easily. So I don't believe there is that, but I do, I agree with you. There's going to be, there's, listen, there's some players on the sidelines right now who have not decided to come in yet. Yet. So.

[Lisa Williams]

And that's who I think will come in. I agree with you. I don't think there's going to be a world war as we've known it. I think there's going to be definitely a technology space that will be battling as well. I don't know which is already happening, but I do feel that we're actually going to be okay. But I do feel that it's actually, I feel like we almost have to perceive it from that bird's eye view and look at it for what it is. It's almost like we're clearing out the debris and we're being able to now move forward. But it's very sad. It's really sad that it's having to come to it.

[Next Level Soul Host]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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One thing about the locker room, it's a mix of everything. Different races, religions, backgrounds, opinions, all of it. And yeah, you argue, you joke around, you disagree constantly. But when it actually matters, you've got each other's backs. No question. That's just being a good teammate. And honestly, that shouldn't stop when the game ends. But right now, hate is rising across communities in different ways and Jewish communities are getting hit hard by it. And hate doesn't stay in one place, it spreads. So this isn't about agreeing on everything, it's just about showing up for people. The blue square is a simple way to do that. Just saying, yeah, I'm not cool with hate. Go to bluesquarealliance.org grab one. Share it. It's not complicated. Just be the kind of teammate you'd want in your corner.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Next Level Soul Host]

And now back to the show.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it's kind of like when you and I have to imagine this is what it's like for the other side to watch us, our loved ones on the other side. Our spirit guides our. Our angels. It's kind of. I mean, I joke that we're the greatest reality show in the world. We're like the Real Housewives of Earth. But just like a parent, when you see a child about to make a mistake in their life, sometimes you have to let them make it because that's the way they learn. And I guess that's in a much, much larger scale. That's kind of what we're going through right now as a. As a species and as a conscious.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, I completely agree. And I think what's also happening is if we look at consciousness, if we look at the way that spirituality is, what's happening is there's a lot more people that are becoming more and more spiritual. There's a lot more awakenings that are happening with. With the. Certainly with the openings of plant medicine, Psilocybin ayahuasca, you know, people are becoming a little bit more aware. People are ready to do the healing. People are stepping into somatic practices. They're stepping into energy spaces. They're starting to understand where energy works and how energy works, and we're starting to understand consciousness. If we look at what's just happened in the last, you know, in September, when Dan Brown opened the book, you know, the book the Secret of Secrets, I mean, that's all about consciousness. And if we can look at this as a whole, we are becoming more and more aware of this consciousness space. And I feel that there is a segue here where there's some people that are very, very logical that are staying in that logical space, that are staying in that place. And that is where there's a lot of discord and fighting. And. But then you also have. On the other side, you've got a lot of people who are coming from that logical place over into this more esoteric space, which is more consciousness and aware and energy, where they are seeing that there is more that. That isn't serving us. And so they're stepping in here and they are becoming more. More connected. And I think that's a really beautiful part of it. So I. And I think science is now proving that there is a part where we sit, that science is proving what we're doing. You know, and I think this is beautiful. So I feel like there is this. There's a real shift in the universe, in the world right now, in all of this. And I'm. I'm. I feel honored to be part of all of this whole process because it's a massive, massive time in our, in, in society.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it's, it's interesting. We have a film called First Contact with Daryl Banka Bashar. I don't know if you're familiar with him. Yeah, on our platform and in that movie on Next Level Soul tv. And in that movie they actually, he went into a sign in us into a. With the scientist. They plugged his head up with neurons and they actually saw what his brain did when he channeled and it, there was stuff that he couldn't understand what was going on. Like this shouldn't be happening. So there is something happening. And now science is starting to like to prove your point, science is starting to catch up to it. And the same, I've seen things like that with psychic mediums as well. They, they strap them in and they go, oh, wait a minute, when they're, they're talking to Uncle Bob, their brain waves shift in a way that you shouldn't be able to control.

[Lisa Williams]

Right. Well, if you also look at this, if you also look at the semantic mapping of a brain, our brain lights up in certain areas when we're talking. But when you're actually in a, working in a, in a reading, you're, you're getting pieces of information and just drop in of information. So all of a sudden, you know, I might hear talk and my brain is actually looking for top of a mountain, top of a car, top of this, top of that. So my brain is lighting up like a Christmas tree. And that's actually what's happening. And obviously the brain waves, the way that we're getting into this, this place. And it's so true. And I will say what happens with psychics and mediums, we hit this scalar energy, this quantum energy, this universal energy. And when we're in that scalar energy, we're just channeling, we're just a focus, we're a force. Because I've done it where I can be so sick before a client, before a reading, before going on stage. And I'm on stage and I'm in the client and I am absolutely fine. And that is where I'm absolutely tapped into the scalar energy, I'm tapped into universal energy, chi, prana, whatever you want to call it. And that is what is now being picked up because we have the technology to show it and it's just magnificent.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's beautiful. Now what role will truth play in global leadership over the next decade or so? Because there has to be a Shift around the world.

[Lisa Williams]

I agree with that. And you know, that's such a big question. And part of me wants to believe that we are going to be shifting into transparency and truth now, as much as our governments and society are talking about, oh, we're transparent, we're transparent. Well, they're limited transparency because they're obviously just. It's going to work for them. But I do feel. Yeah, of course. But I feel like there's a massive shift in the way that our leadership needs to be in truth. And I will say this. When Marianne Williamson was doing her campaign for presidency, I mean, what an amazing gift that would have been. That would have been obviously this woman who is also very, very connected into the universal energy. But I don't feel as though society was ready and society, you know, that I don't feel as though that was a place. But what's interesting is I feel like it has to shift into this united front of truth. And I do feel our leadership has to find we have to be putting people in place that, that resonate for our truth. Because, you know, we look at it with the gurus out there, people who have been, you know, been followed and been like, just followed in just such an adorned. Worshiped, worshiped. And they have let us down. You know, they've been seeking their truth, but they, you know, there's always another side to it. So I would like to think that there's going to be truth, but truth is really abstract. What I believe is true may not be right for everybody else. And so I think it's a really abstract space. But I would like to think that there would be more transparency.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I agree with what you said. Like your truth might be different than somebody else's truth, but true truth, like truth, universal truth. Yes, it's gravity true. You know, you could argue all you want, you know, I don't believe in gravity. Well, there are certain things that are universally true. And I understand what you mean, though. Like your perception of a story that you've created for yourself. Yeah, that makes sense to you might be different than me, and that's fine. And that's the way we're all trying to figure this crazy game out. It's insane.

[Lisa Williams]

It's an insane.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is an insane roller coaster. Right from so from your point of view, speaking to spirit, I mean, this is like the ultimate ride, the ultimate school for a soul to go through. And from what I've. From what I've seen, but what I've heard, it's a giant celebration when Someone passes.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because they're just like, oh, man, did you. Man, you are so brave.

[Lisa Williams]

Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

You went down there. Not brave, but you know what I mean? But like that. I can't believe you did this. Like, this is not easy. This is very difficult to be down here. And, like, you chose to come down in the late 90s and early 2000s and to see the birth of the Internet and the birth of AI and. And all of the other stuff and the shift of consciousness. My God, it's. It's. Is that. Is that what you see on the other side as well? Or here?

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah. You know, it's funny because I always. And I'm writing a book on this, is that we're. We all have a sole purpose. And our sole purpose, whatever that sole purpose is, that soul lesson, we've all come to learn. One core lesson, there's a sub lesson underneath, and we were learning it in such a powerful way. And then there's when we pass over. And I wrote a book on this called Survival of the Soul. When we. We. When we pass over, there is. It's like this cheerleading squad. Like, yeah, you made it. You did it. And here's your lesson that you had to learn. And it's so interesting because, you know, we were looking at. When they. They're in spirit and they look at us, it's almost like they're looking and going, you know, because we are really having these big emotional experiences. This is a place that you learn so much emotion, you carry so much emotion, and you. To navigate life, it's like you're coming in blinded, blinkered, and you don't have to be blinkered. I always say, always trust your instinct, because that's going to take the blinders off, and it will give you some understanding of where things are going to go. But I do. I feel like the spirits are actually going to say, yeah, you made it. You made it on this roller coaster of life. And you can stay here for a minute, and then you're going to do it again. Then we're gonna throw you back.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's just this life. Let's not talk about parallel lives or past and future lives. Let's not even go down that road.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's interesting when we look at it, you know, when we look at the big, grand scale of it, how we are living all of this simultaneously.

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[Alex Ferrari]

It's in fathomable. Like I can't say the word, but you know, it's. You can't even comprehend the complexity. We can't comprehend the complexity of our body.

[Lisa Williams]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, it's still. It's still the most perfect machine ever created or designed on this planet, period.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, but, and yet we're barely scratching the surface of understanding why certain things happens and why other things don't.

[Lisa Williams]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that's just our. That's just our body and nature.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And nature and the sea. And let's not even talk about the universe and what we're discovering about the Universe and seeing away and all that kind of stuff. It's Is. It's so. Man, I. If this is a computer game and we're just. We're just avatars for some alien species playing a video game. My God, the computing power.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You know, I've got a friend of mine who, she loves gaming, and she'll sit there and she'll. She'll sometimes say that her gaming is like life, and she loves all of this stuff. And she's like, I can't wait to die and see what it's. What really life is life. And I'm like, that's not really a way of doing it. She said, I'm not going to go yet, but I'm just curious. And so I do. I think that analogy is so right. It's. It's so bizarre.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a bizarre video game. We're just Mario. We're just Luigi and Mario trying to save a princess at the end of the day, and we just have different avenues to go down the same path. So if we may. If we may look into that crystal ball one more time and, and talk about. And talk about the economy and the economic stability of the world, because that is also on a lot of people's minds, and a lot of people are afraid and things are shaking. Things are becoming much more expensive, you know, here in the States, obviously, but around the world because of geopolitical issues and also a lot of decisions that were made 20 years ago that we're starting to. You sense like something's coming, Something's coming, something. We're way overdue in general for an economic downturn, a major economic downturn. And I feel that it's been on a. On a just as technical aspect. It's been propped up for a long time. And we are just. I'm not talking about conspiracy theories. This is just economic truth. You could just look it up.

[Lisa Williams]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So where do you see us economically? And then. Then, furthermore, let's talk about money afterwards, because I just want to hear your ideas of where money is going, because that's a whole other. Like everything else in the world, everything else is in flux. Why not that?

[Lisa Williams]

Right. And, you know, I see it. And what I've also seen is that money. Money's around, there's money around, and it's how. There's always money around, and it's how we are magnetizing that money to us or what we're doing to not necessarily earn money, but to gain money. But I do feel if we talk about Economics. I do feel that there's going to be a downshift. I gotta. I just do. I feel as though there's going to be a real, real struggle and a downshift of the economic. Economic space. And I feel like it's gonna. You know, as I look at it, I don't want to think that we would go back to 2008, but there is this feeling of that. That things are going to crumble again and things are going to shift. And I've often said to a friend of mine, I'm like, you know, I think you need to put your money somewhere. You know, be. Be aware. Spread the money in different places. Because I just keep seeing this. It's like this tightness, and I just keep seeing the bottom falling away. But what's on the ins. Other side of it is I feel again, we are getting rid of old constructs, old paradigms, old understandings, and there's a new shift and a new wave that is going to lead, which I think might be where you are taking me into about money. Because I do feel that there's almost this new area and what I'm seeing right now is this. This new area of money. It's almost like a new playing field when I talk about money. But I do feel the economy is going to struggle. And I feel as though there's almost. There's going to be a real segue between the wealthy and those who are not so wealthy, and that's where it's going to struggle. And I've seen it for quite some time. And I hate saying that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. But it's going to be what it is.

[Lisa Williams]

It is what it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

It is what it is. And. But it doesn't. And. And we're not saying. When you're saying these things, it's not to create fear. It's just to. Look, you and I both lived in Florida. You live in Florida, I lived in Florida. We all saw a hurricane coming.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You've been there, what, a bunch of years? Right. So you've probably experienced either the threat of a hurricane or actually gone through it. I went through, like, I went through three direct hits or close to direct hits in my time in Florida. The worst thing about a hurricane, in my opinion, is knowing that it's coming eight, ten days down.

[Lisa Williams]

Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it coming? Is it not coming? Is it coming? Do we got to go to Publix to go buy all the water, like. And all the. That, like, should we put the shutters up? Should we not? That's the worst Worst part of it for me at least it's horrible.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I've gone through, I lost roofs. I mean I've had you know, FEMA come, I've gone through some stuff with hurricanes and it's very difficult. Similar with this conversation the things that you're saying. I'm like look this is going to happen. It is period. Now there is a, there is abilities and correct me if I'm wrong, shifting timelines or consciousness depending on how we choose as individuals A, as a consciousness can shift certain things to certain ways here and there. Right? Like yeah, because I heard for a long time we've, there was two roads. We could either go down the self destructive timeline and completely just end it for humanity or we've chosen and con and as a consciousness we've chosen to like no, no, no, we are going to go this other way. So we are, you know, going to be fine. But this is a roller coaster ride that will have its ups and downs.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, and I agree with that and I think what I would like to say is I'm bringing awareness to a situation and having awareness is like you said that 10 day before a hurricane hits that you can start preparing for the what could be. And I think when we have awareness and I'm all about awareness of and that's what a psychic is, you know we're giving you awareness of potentiality is but it's your decisions on what you are going to choose and where you go. And I agree with us, I with what you said about humanity. I agree that we have all collectively said no, we're going this way and this is exactly where we're going to do and this is how it's going to be. But because we've chosen that now we've got to get rid of the old world and step into that new space. I'm kind of really looking forward, I don't know why but to 2020, 2040 I feel which sounds like a long time away but I feel like there's going to be a massive shift up until 2040 and in 2040 I think you're going to find something very, very, very different.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I've heard, I've heard the date that always sticks out is 2032 is the major like okay, we have now made it over the hump of all the crazy and now we're starting to move towards this other direction. It's not going to be quick, it's going to be slow but it's going to be moving in that direction. But we're the roller coaster is still going to be bumpy up until 2032. Is that what you see as well?

[Lisa Williams]

I agree with that, yeah. Because I always see around 2035 being a little bit more calmer and 2040, I see it being like not necessarily better roses because nothing is, but definitely a much better, much different. It's almost like we'll be looking back and going, do you remember when we went through in 2000, whenever it was. And I think it's gonna. I think it's this part of our time will really stand. Stand us in history now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Another area I wanted to kind of look into the future as well is the health and medicine world. That is fascinating to me because, yeah, you know, our, our parents generation was like, you wear a white coat, they're God. Yeah, that's just, just the way it was. Whatever they said was, you know, scripture and you know, where my. At least I'll speak for myself. I don't look at that now. I have a critical eye. I'm like. Because I know, I know I have a lot of friends who are doctors, have a lot of family members who are doctors, and we have conversation. I'm like, you don't what? You don't even know the basics of nutrition. They're like, yeah, we didn't get any. Because they're only taught two things. They're essentially taught and please forgive all the. Please forgive me for any doctors watching. But it's like either prescription of medicine or surgery. There are those doctors who are now evolving into like, no, no, no, no. Let's look at the cause of this. What is your nutrition? What is your. But the majority of them are not taught that. So this is now shifting into to other kinds of world. So I'd love to hear what you think. Where do you see for health and medicine?

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[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, well, this is future. This is actually something that is very near and dear to my heart actually, because I have started to go down the pathway of understanding the root causes of health and problems that we have. And a lot of it is our emotions. You know, I deal with a lot with people who have autoimmune disease and cancer and there are emotional elements to those, to those illnesses that have brought them on. And I started to dive in and realize that I took, I took 3,000 readings that I did and I identified with the help of AI. It was beautiful thing, but throw it all in and I could actually see where people were having a reading and their mother passed away. Oh. And then six months later a chronic illness happened.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow. Okay.

[Lisa Williams]

And so what, that's really interesting. So I do think that the more that we are starting to understand that the more that we can now, especially with the advances of neuroscience, all of the somatic work and the healing that we're doing, we can actually start working on the issue at the time. Because when we look about, look at grief, if we don't start working towards not necessarily healing grief, but identifying and understanding our grief within the first month, it then becomes hardwired into our Brain like an addiction pattern. And so we have to, we're now having this awareness on science. So I do feel that science is absolutely exponentially changing in the medical practice, medical facilities because we now got the advancements of peptides, we've got the advancement of understanding how our dentistry impacts our health, how our emotions. We've got Chinese medicine people are now turning to acupuncturists and holistic doctors and functional medicine doctors more than they are going to their own gp and even my own gp, which when I go that I listen to him, I'm like, dude, are you really sure you're supposed to wear a white coat? Because he is now about exercise, diet, look at your, look at your emotions. Let's try this, let's not do surgery. Which I think is so amazing. And in some, some people they would think it was so radical, but it's not. It's actually in everyday life. And if you look at the advancement of the biohacking industry, you know, Dave Asprey in the biohacking industry, this is, I mean I've been in part of that whole world and I've seen it where people are now starting to understand their bodies and the science behind it and the millions of money, millions of dollars that they put into it. It's incredible. And if, and I think what we've also got to have is this shift, this I, this shift from, from the old way of thinking. Like you said, doctors are, they're amazing, they know it all. Da da, da. And all of these studies to also understanding that there are other ways that we can approach our health. We can look at it from an emotional point of view, a somatic point of view, we can realize that our emotions hold in our body and that when we start to actually think about. Okay, what is my stomach trying to tell me? Oh, you're sad. All right, well why isn't cause of sadness. Now we get with journal. All of a sudden the stomach's fine. You know, it's, it's interesting. So I think there's going to be exponential changes in our healthcare systems.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is AI going to have a major part of that?

[Lisa Williams]

I do think so. Absolutely. Yeah,

[Alex Ferrari]

exactly. I mean, you know, you know, Dr. GPT is, he's, he's not perfect.

[Lisa Williams]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

Or she's not perfect. But it does give you a good, it gives you a battle plan. Like I, I saw a course out there about, there were doctors teaching you how to use chat GPT to help you self diagnose a bit and then go into a, an MD's meeting or appointment with this arsenal of information to help the doctor help you better. Better. So it's like this combination.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of everything because it is, it's so powerful. I found, I saw a story the other day that there was a woman that went to 20 doctors could not figure out, none of them could diagnose it. They put it all into GPT and a chat. GPT and all of a sudden she got the diagnosis and it was accurate. And then the doctors were able, with that diagnosis, the doctors were able to treat her properly. They go, oh, we didn't think of that. Because a human brain can't process 10 million research. You know, Doc, you know, all this kind of. It just has access to all the information and that's how they say that AI will possibly find the cure for cancer because it will look at every research ever done.

[Lisa Williams]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And combine it all in crossroth until finally it goes, oh, this is kind of like what you did with your, with your readings. It connected dots that you could have never couldn't even with your second. Even with your psychic abilities.

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah. Because it was screaming me in the face. You know, I had, I had too many people coming to me and saying, you know, all of a sudden I've been diagnosed with breast cancer or I've been diagnosed with, with this or that or the other. I've got this chronic disease or I'm an autoimmune. And I'm like, there is something that is happening here. And as I started to look at it, I was like, I wonder if I could just take all of my readings that I've done in the last couple of years. So I did and I grabbed as many as I could and I put them all through them all into. Into notebooklm and I started to understand the actual patterns that were going on. And I'm like, it's fascinating when we look at it that now I can map where the, where the illness was related to and the emotion that it came from. It was, it was so fascinating.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now in the next five or 10 years, do you see any major global events on the horizon? That it's going to shift humanity's path in a very, very big way?

[Lisa Williams]

You know, I haven't really looked at that. I try not to. And I think the reason I try not to be honest because I think sometimes living in the now is, is hard enough for some people. And again, I think there's always going to be something. I think there's going to be major earthquakes. I think there's definitely Going to be major losses that we have. But I try not to look at it because I'll be honest, why I do, why I didn't look at it for a long time is because my husband was military, and it was only in October that he retired. So I chose not to look at it for a reason, knowing that he could have been taken into that space. So, yeah, that's one of the questions I can't answer, and it's not something I have chosen to look at.

[Alex Ferrari]

Got you. Fair. Fair enough. Fair enough. And is there a level of personal responsibility that we all have to take with this information that we're getting? Because we all feel, you know, look, I understand all the stuff we've talked about, like, it's my soul blueprint, and, hey, we're learning through these lessons, everything. But at the end of the day, there's still uncertainty. And uncertainty for the. For the human brain is still difficult to process because it's. It's hardwired into us so the tiger doesn't eat us kind of thing. So what can someone do who is really just terrified of the future and naturally living in the now? What can. What advice would you have for them on how to process and deal with all of this?

[Lisa Williams]

Yeah, well, first of all, I think there's several things that they can do is quiet in the noise. You know, choose what they choose to listen to. I had a client of mine who everybody was talking about a certain date in February where, you know, part of California was going to disappear. And when I was, what, red for her? I said, it's not. I said, you're going to be okay. And she was in this panic, and she was thinking, I've got to sell my house before this particular date. And. Yeah. And I'm like, I want you to use discernment. So first of all, choose what you listen to. Choose what noise you want to turn down. And turn down the noise. Really important. Try not to have the news on as much. Be informed. But don't get your. Don't get your news from Facebook or somewhere. Get your news from reputable sources. The other part of it is really step into a meditation practice. Step into a meditation practice, even if it is quiet in your mind for 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes in the afternoon, because by quieting your mind, you're allowing your nervous system to settle down. Then you can start listening to that discernment that we have, that intuitive part of us where that intuitive part is going to tell you what news source is. Right. And what you feel is right and wrong for you to work with because we all have our internal barometer of what is right, wrong, what acts, our internal compass of what works for us. And I think, think really using discernment and trusting your own intuition, that is going to be massive in the next 10 years in moving forward.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said, Lisa. Where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

[Lisa Williams]

You know, they can go to Lisa Williams.com or follow me on socials. I'm Lisa Williams, medium, pretty much everywhere. So, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And do you have any final messages for the audience? Audience?

[Lisa Williams]

You know, my final message would be is trust your own instincts. As much as we've talked about some bigger global impacts here, I think it's really taking what works for you, what really resonates for you. I always say if you're looking to develop your own spiritual awareness, find what works for you. You are your own inner guide. You don't need anybody else to tell you it's really about what you trust. So I just encourage everyone to listen to themselves.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said, Lisa. It's been such a pleasure and honor speaking to you today. You're. You're wonderful. I love your energy, I love your sense of humor, I love your perspective on the world, and I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken the planet. So thank you.

[Lisa Williams]

Thank you. It's been an absolute pleasure and some great, great conversations here. Thank you for having me.

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