The Five Levels of Heaven with Masati

Summary

Episode Summary: Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: The Five Levels of Heaven with Masathi
Date: March 30, 2026
Guest: Masathi

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Overview

In this deeply transformative episode, Alex Ferrari sits down with Masathi, a near-death experience (NDE) survivor, intuitive, and spiritual teacher, for an in-person conversation in Austin. Together, they explore Masathi’s journey through three conscious NDEs, the profound insights gained on the structure of the afterlife (referred to as “the five levels of heaven”), and how these experiences have shaped his views on meaning, abundance, consciousness, and personal awakening. The discussion weaves practical spirituality with relatable stories, delivered with warmth, humor, and clarity, creating a roadmap for listeners seeking a deeper connection with their limitless selves.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Masathi’s Early Life and The First Near Death Experience

Timestamp: 04:01 – 16:13

• Pre-NDE Life:
  As a young man, Masathi was an introspective seeker, questioning life and observing that neither success nor spirituality (as modeled by adults around him) brought true happiness.
• The First NDE (Age 22):
  While working a college warehouse job, a half-ton wall collapsed on him:
  • “All of a sudden, the wall just gave way … my jaw got crushed … I was stuck. I could actually see myself. That was the coolest thing ever.” (07:12)
• The Out-of-Body Experience:
  Described observing his body from above, realizing he was dead, feeling only a split second of sadness before immense joy.
  • "It's just crazy how beautiful that layer is." (07:56)
• Life Review:
  Entered what he calls a “life review” – not judgmental, but as a high-level being, seeing the meaning and programming behind events.
  • "You can't really change what happened... but you can rewrite the meaning of what happened." (11:18)
• No Spirit Guide Visibly Present:
  Felt a presence but did not see guides or relatives ("Uncle Bob" moments are at lower levels, he explains, 10:00).
• Editing Time and Space:
  Experienced a full reliving of his 22 years in moments, pondering afterward the nature of time, perspective, and reality’s "programmable" nature.

Manifestation, Time Delay, & Programming

Timestamp: 19:09 – 23:47

• Manifestation Comparison:
  Highlights difference between manifesting instantly in the afterlife and the purposeful "time delay" on Earth.
  • "Thank God that you have that time delay." (20:12)
• The Value of Time Lag:
  It gives humans time to learn and process desires, otherwise existence would be chaotic.
• Programs & Patterns:
  Realized humans run on embedded programs—change the program, change outcomes. The key is to not repeat the past unconsciously.

Post-NDE Integration & Societal Programming

Timestamp: 23:47 – 31:30

• Post-NDE Quietude:
  Masathi didn’t immediately speak about his experience, choosing to go inward to deeply understand and validate it.
• Cultural Context:
  In the 1980s, NDEs were less discussed; he feared being labeled "crazy."
• Intuitive Abilities Increased:
  Used enhanced intuition practically, including business, before embarking on deeper spiritual work.
• Separation from Old Patterns:
  Observes that breaking away from family/societal patterns is necessary to avoid repeating generational “amnesia.”

The Second Near Death Experience: Accelerated Awakening

Timestamp: 38:52 – 46:21

• The Drowning in Belize:
  Pulled into a cenote; once he surrendered to the experience, he felt his consciousness expand and “graduated” through the tunnel of light.
• The Void/Blank Slate:
  "It's a space of nothingness … the space of everything possible."
  • “…all knowledge that ever was, is, and shall be…” (42:06)
• Accessing the Universal Database:
  Describes receiving administration-level access to a “cloud” of universal knowledge.
• Integration Challenges:
  Download of vast information led to years of “Dark Night of the Soul” where his former life unraveled, catalyzing transformation.

Dark Night of the Soul, Loss, and Identity

Timestamp: 51:13 – 54:42

• Personal Loss:
  Discusses bankruptcy, loss of possessions, and identity collapse.
• Breakthrough Moment:
  Realizes the core self is untouched by external loss ("Oh, wait, I didn't lose anything.").
• Transformation:
  Starts working with people to reframe abundance and anchor themselves in their “limitless” inner being rather than material conditions.

Fame, Fortune, and the Pitfalls of Identity

Timestamp: 53:38 – 66:37

• External Success as Amplifier:
  Fame and money don’t solve inner issues; instead, they amplify unresolved problems.
  • "You don't want your wealth to become a facade of your weaknesses."
• Sacrificing Forward vs. Backward:
  Many lose themselves chasing future goals—true fulfillment comes from clearing distortions and then achieving from a strong inner foundation.

The Third Near Death Experience: Mastery Level

Timestamp: 73:46 – 79:31

• Recent NDE in Peru:
  Suffered due to depletion/covid; observed his body from above, then entered a space "sitting at the edge of the universe."
• Pure Consciousness, No Identity:
  Described a state beyond any reference point, beyond even spirit identity.
  • “To be at that level of no time and no space and be conscious… I can’t even describe it.” (76:21)
• Physical Healing:
  Post-NDE, his body underwent a profound upgrade in health and vitality.

Societal Evolution & The Great Divide

Timestamp: 81:22 – 87:31

• Humanity’s Evolution:
  Compares collective human consciousness to a teenager at a crossroads—either repeat past mistakes or choose a path of individual autonomy and awakening.
• The Great Divide:
  Future divisions are less about race or class, more about frequency of consciousness.
• Cracks in Old Systems:
  All major societal systems are crumbling because they served past needs and now require an upgrade to reflect new consciousness.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Life Review:
  “You can’t really change what happened … but you can rewrite the meaning of what happened.” – Masathi (11:18)
• On Money and Spirituality:
  “Suffering is not a prerequisite of enlightenment. It’s a condition of being unenlightened.” – Masathi, relaying a message from Buddha (30:57)
• On Manifestation:
  “When you think of something, you become something.” – Masathi (18:28)
• On Generational Patterns:
  “We seem to have amnesia. We seem to recreate issues over and over again...” – Masathi (05:06)
• On Divine Abundance:
  “Nature is abundant… [but] the problem is when you associate yourself with how many apples you have on that tree.” – Alex Ferrari (33:02)
• On The Purpose of Life:
  “The ultimate purpose of life is understanding space and time … so you can render yourself here in physical form with all the possibilities of being a limitless being.” – Masathi (89:50)
• On Awakening:
  “You don’t have to take decades or even lifetimes. You can do it rather fast.” – Masathi (90:48)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Masathi’s First NDE Story: 04:09 – 16:13
• Life Review Mechanics: 10:08 – 12:07
• Manifestation & Time Delay: 19:17 – 21:28
• Discussion on Money & Spirituality: 28:41 – 35:20
• Second NDE Drowning Experience: 38:52 – 46:21
• Post-NDE Download & “Dark Night of the Soul”: 45:31 – 52:33
• Fame, Identity, and True Fulfillment: 53:38 – 66:37
• Third NDE: Edge of Universe Experience: 73:46 – 79:13
• Societal Prognosis & The Great Divide: 81:12 – 87:31
• Rapid-fire Closing Questions: 87:35 – 90:48

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Conclusions & Final Messages

• Abundance, Wealth, and Enlightenment:
  True abundance isn’t about external markers but about detaching from identification with them. Money, when freed from ego, becomes a tool in divine service.
• Levels of Heaven / Afterlife:
  Masathi’s three NDEs revealed different "levels"—from seeing oneself as spirit, to merging into the void of all potentiality, to mastery with complete detachment from identity.
• Living as a Limitless Being:
  Listeners are encouraged to reference themselves from their intrinsic, limitless nature, not from temporary physical or social markers.
• Practical Awakening:
  Everyone can start their journey to the “next level soul” at any moment, simply by becoming present and willing to question old programming.

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Where to Connect With Masathi

• Website: thexicode.com
• YouTube: Masadi on Sunday

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Parting Words:
“You are perfect where you are, as long as you become present… You can start your journey anywhere.” (90:48)

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This episode delivers profound yet practical wisdom on conscious transformation, making spiritual awakening accessible, nuanced, and integrated with real-life experience—all with sincerity and sly humor. Highly recommended listening for seekers ready to “take your soul to the next level.”

Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

I'd like to welcome the show Masathi. How you doing, Masathi?

[Masathi]

I'm doing well. Thank you so much for having me. Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming on the show, my friend. It's so fun that you just happened to be here in Austin.

[Masathi]

Isn't that crazy?

[Alex Ferrari]

We started off as a zoom call.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then I'm like, where are you? Like, oh, in Austin. I go Texas and like, just drive over and we're here now. So this, I think, is going to be a better experience.

[Masathi]

Absolutely. It's a beautiful place here and I guess the universe provides, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, I mean, this has not happened ever. I've never had someone just. Because I always ask people, where are you in the world? Like, I'm just curious where you happen to be zooming in from. And when you said Austin, I'm like, what? So that's very unusually. There's more communication. I don't know how it missed. We missed that. But we're here.

[Masathi]

We are here.

[Alex Ferrari]

So thank you so much for coming, man. You've had an interesting life, to say the least.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I wanted to talk to you a bit about your near death experience. But before we get into that, what was your life like before you died

[Masathi]

and came back several times?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, exactly. First, let's go to the first one.

[Masathi]

First time. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then stop dying. Okay.

[Masathi]

Yeah. I think this is the last time. Three is enough. But, you know, I think the biggest thing is the near deaths that I've had is a conscious near death experience. Because there's a lot of near deaths. It's not as unusual as we think it is. You know, there's thousands actually a day, documented near deaths a day. So the big difference with me is that again, as a conscious near death, where I really wanted to find out the answers of the universe, reality works, how life works, how just to be like, well, truly happy, like intrinsically happy. Because, you know, I've looked at, you know, a lot of spiritual teachings, a lot of religious teachings, but, you know, the people practicing them didn't look all

[Alex Ferrari]

that happy or on the up and up sometimes.

[Masathi]

Exactly. So I was like, so, you know, as a young kid and I'm talking about being like 18, 19, 20 you know, and I looked at the, you know, the wealth side as well, the success side, and I'm going, gosh, they're not that happy either. You know, they still had the same issues, although they had the money that, you know, they were just more comfortable with their discomfort. I guess you could put it that way. So. And as a young, you know, as a young kid, like in my early 20s, I'm wondering is like, gosh, you know, I don't want to grow up to be like them, you know, that generation. And I think as again, a younger generation, we want to separate, not because we, you know, we just don't want to turn into all the mistakes of our past because we seem to have amnesia. We seem to recreate issues over and over again in the world, and that's what we're seeing here today in the world. So with that being said, I had that thirst or knowledge to want something so badly that, well, I got it through the first near death experience, which was a warehouse job. How 22. Okay, I was 22. Warehouse job, going to college, you know, wondering what life is all about, you know, planning out, you know, the next steps and what happened one day. And it was an ominous day. It's always ominous. It's interesting. All my near deaths have always. That day, you know, it always feels really, really different. Like, the air just feels different. The quality of, you know, the essence of, you know, space and time feel really, really different. I was really deeply questioning my state of being. And I was at work and I used to unload rail cars for a college job. And the wall that was. It was stuck. The wall in between to keep the products in place, that was stuck. So I tried to climb up and release the wall. It's a half ton wall. And my teammates were pulling underneath, and then all of a sudden the wall just gave way and I slid with the wall all the way across and I got. And the wall stopped by my jaw. My jaw got crushed in between. Yeah. So just imagine metal members, you know, roof members, just like. And I was stuck. I was just like hanging and I could actually see myself. And that was the coolest thing ever,

[Alex Ferrari]

Alex, because you're above you or you're above you or next to you or something like that.

[Masathi]

Yeah, I was like above and looking at myself. I'm going, that's a. That doesn't look good. That does not look good at all. You know, But I didn't realize that I was dead. Right. Which was really crazy, you know, like, you know, like. And then I And this is the conscious part. It's like. It's like, what am I doing over there if I am over here? You know? And then I realized it's like, oh, I'm dead. And then it was sadness for maybe a split second, but then you have so much joy and so much expansiveness at that moment that you don't even think about your physical body anymore. You don't think about your loved ones and so on like that, because it's just like, whoa. It's just crazy how beautiful that layer is. And then from there, I ascended into where I went into a life review. There's, you see the tunnel of light.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you went through a tunnel?

[Masathi]

Yeah, you go through a tunnel of light. It is brilliant. And some people go, well, it's the optic nerve and all that. It really isn't. You're in another consciousness. One, I was out of my body. Two, it's this thing that just consumes you. And you think you're in a tunnel, but in reality you're really not. It's just a space of just pure possibilities. That's what pure white is about. Pure possibilities. There's different layers of possibilities. The first layer, sometimes people go where they go. Their loved ones meet. Meet them, right? You know, their dogs, loved ones, whoever's crossed over. You know, they introduce them. I went into the fourth or fifth layer of that, where it was a life review. And that life review, Alex, it wasn't about, you know, somebody keeping score where, you know, you did this wrong, you did this right? And then they tally up the score, you know, and then you either go to heaven or you go down to the other place. Other place? Yeah. You know, it wasn't like that at all. It was literally reviewing your life as a high level being and looking at it, and it's like, oh, okay, that's why that happened. That's why that happened. That's why this happened. So you start to see it from, say, a college grad level or a PhD level consciousness, rather than a kindergarten level of awakening.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you're doing your life review and you get there, is there any other beings guiding you? Anything like that? Or is it just you?

[Masathi]

There's. You feel presences. But I didn't see anybody.

[Alex Ferrari]

So Uncle Bob didn't show up?

[Masathi]

No, nobody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so Uncle Bob didn't show up.

[Masathi]

Those are at the lower level.

[Alex Ferrari]

Uncle Bob didn't show up. And your spirit guides might be there, but they're not making themselves known.

[Masathi]

There's someone walking, a presence around you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. There's something going on. From what I've heard, when you have Life reviews, they said the closest thing to it is like in the Minority Report when Tom Cruise is kind of like going through the scenes and there's like videos going in and out. They say it's similar to that, but you're able to fly into the moment and feel what happened in that moment. Did that happen?

[Masathi]

True. Yes. So. And that's what. And again, another conscious experience is that I had the Life review. And it's not like you're observing your life. You're in the life. Re experiencing like 22 years for me, sure, in maybe mere seconds, but both

[Alex Ferrari]

sides of the, of the experience. So, meaning you're what you were experiencing and maybe what you were doing to somebody else or.

[Masathi]

No, both sides. No, you were reliving yourself from your point, that moment, from my point of view.

[Alex Ferrari]

Got it.

[Masathi]

Reliving everything, but from a very high level state of consciousness, almost as an

[Alex Ferrari]

observer, looking at like. Oh, that's a. You were looking at a movie almost, but feeling it.

[Masathi]

No, you're in the movie, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so you're in a movie, but you're also observing it. It sounds like. Because you're saying PhD level.

[Masathi]

Well, you stepped into the moment and then when you're done reviewing, you step back out.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so you're going.

[Masathi]

It's like you're in the ride.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you jump into the ride, but you're jumping in the ride not like a kindergartner, but as a PhD student.

[Masathi]

Yes, got it. And you, and you go through life and you go, oh, that's why this happened. Oh, that's why this happened. So you can't really change what happened because that's written in the sands of time. But the important thing is that you can rewrite the meaning of what happened. And that's really key because that's what I use today to transform not only my life, but thousands of others around where you can change or you can edit what happens to you. You can change the meaning of what's happened to you, which changes your present focus or the possibilities of where you can go into the present moment.

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[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you go back, you go, oh, no, I needed that. Because if I wouldn't have done that, I would have kept going faster and faster and I would have died.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Something along those lines, yes.

[Masathi]

Or it's like, oh, okay, I got hit by that car. It offered me, you know, gave me a near death. It allowed me to awaken much quicker than taking another 20, 30, 40 years or maybe lifetimes to transform.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's just changing the perspective on an event.

[Masathi]

It's changing the perspective, absolutely, because it's all about perspective and reference points. And that's the work that I do today. So in that perspective, I understood why things happen the way they do. And literally it is a teaching experience. But the teaching experience for me was about, oh, we're just all running programs. And that's really the key. It's like, oh, it's a program. It's not like it was my fault or it was their fault or whatever. Just like you run a program and the outcome is right there for you. It's just that. Literally, that simple.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we're going farther and farther back into the matrix. Essentially, we're just code. We're just code.

[Masathi]

Essentially, we're just code.

[Alex Ferrari]

I call us God's algorithm.

[Masathi]

It's true. It's a perfect algorithm.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, we're a little code and we go off and we do our thing and we really don't know where it's going to go. But it's kind of guided in one way, shape or form.

[Masathi]

Yeah. And the coolest thing about that first near death is like when you step back out of the ride and you know, again, still not in my body. And I'm going, okay, now, how did I just live 22 years in maybe a minute or two, you know, that puzzled me even then. And that, I think that was the teaching experience for me is like, wait, time and space can be edited?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[Masathi]

It can be, you know, distorted. It can be edited, it can be manipulated for your benefit.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, okay, so you're in the. You're in this life review. You're going through all of this. When that is over.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

What do you do next? What happens next?

[Masathi]

There's a deep state of love you have for yourself because you look at the mistakes and you realize that you aren't the mistakes, you aren't the distortions, you aren't the abuser, you aren't the successes or anything. You are a grand level being experiencing those things. Although you can experience that who you are is an infinite being and you know yourself so solidly. And from that you get this immense peace and joy and, and the brilliance of love that I've never experienced in physical form, although you're in that state all the time. And then this consciousness starts talking to you. And it's a collective consciousness. So it's not just like one person. It's like many individuals talking through one voice. And it's like, oh, yes, I know you could stay here. Because you have this choice. You can either stay here or you can go back. But as soon as they say it

[Alex Ferrari]

was a voice that said this, okay,

[Masathi]

it's a beautiful voice.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Masathi]

It's crazy beautiful. And, you know, sounds and inflections and tones that you. We can't comprehend.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it a voice or was it telepathy, if you will?

[Masathi]

More telepathy. But you heard the voice. You heard the voice at that level because. Well, in that consciousness there is. You don't have ears.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Masathi]

But for us, for me to understand it, you know, you hear it as a. You know, as a voice, but it's like, yeah, you can stay here if you'd like, you know, but you can always go back. But as soon as they go back, you're just like. They push you back into your body. Or as soon as you think of going back, you're probably in your body right away. And that's where I felt the pain of, you know, my jaws being crushed.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Masathi]

I look around and then I pass out.

[Alex Ferrari]

So there was no talk about, hey, if you go back, there's gonna be a lot of pain. Hey, if you go back, you're gonna learn. You're gonna be teaching people, hey, there was none of this stuff in this first one. It was just kind of like, hey, you want to stick around or you want to go back? It's up to you.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

And you choose to come back. Because most people, when they're in that space, they don't want to come back.

[Masathi]

Exactly. I didn't want to come back. But I think it's just, again, a teaching experience. Because you know that consciousness, or you at a higher level conscious, know the outcome or future experiences on what you're provided for or what you're going to be, what you're meant to do. So again, I think as soon. Well, at that level, Alex, when you think of something, you become something. Of course. So as soon as they say, oh, go back, it's not like you have a choice, so to speak. You already created that experience of going back.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. You don't have to pack your bags, get on a train, move forward. There is no time and space.

[Masathi]

There is no time and space. So as soon as you think you're done, you're there. So I think that's where you just, like, go back in. It's like, whoa.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before we continue, I want to kind of dive into something that just popped into my head. The concept of time and space.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

What you're talking about is manifestation at a very, very high level. Like, I hate to use the term law of Attraction, but manifestation. Because when you think it's there.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you're down here, we have that ability, but it's so Much muddier and thicker and rougher down here that it moves slower. So it's kind of like doing something in the air or doing something 40ft or a thousand feet below the ocean. You can do the same thing, but it's slower and harder. And you have to rise your frequency up to a certain level. Like these masters are on the wall here that they were able to raise their frequency to a level of mastery of this space where they could do what they do on the other side, but within the rules of here. Does that any of that make sense?

[Masathi]

Oh, absolutely. And, you know, thank God that you have that time delay. I would call it a time delay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can you imagine our teenage years?

[Dan Morgan]

Oh, my God.

[Masathi]

Yeah. It's like as soon as you think of something, it's like you. You're there. You've done it.

[Alex Ferrari]

For every teenage boy who' never been watching this show. Can you imagine if you. Whatever you would think it would happen and you mean. I know, it would be like a loaded gun constantly.

[Masathi]

Absolutely. That's what I'm saying.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very, very dangerous.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

So although I love that. Thank you for bringing that up.

[Masathi]

It's so great because you're good to have a time.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's good to have a time delay because a lot of times, like, oh, I really want to date that person, or I really want that person in your life. And you're like, you know, you need a little time to figure this out before you get married to this person, because it might be the wrong one.

[Masathi]

It might be.

[Alex Ferrari]

But if it's instant, you don't get that chance.

[Masathi]

There's no choice. Although, as you know, as you know, a lot of my clients, what they start thinking about manifests a lot faster. Of course, by the way, because it's clear. But your decisions don't go through all those filters. Like all the distortions, the abuse patterns or whatever, your family lineage, society's patterns, your life experiences. So you've got clear filters. And as you got clear filters, well, time, you know, time dilation seems to compress, and then you can manifest a lot faster.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're higher in the. You don't have as much water pressure on you.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're higher up. So you're a little faster.

[Masathi]

Yeah, so. So that does happen where things work out a lot faster, a lot more efficient through the space. But again, you need that time delay.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's. I love that. Thank you for bringing the time delay into it, because it's something we definitely need a lot of times.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Even as adults. Even as adults. Even as Adults. All right, so. So you've died, you've come back. When you came back, how did you, as a 22 year old too, who was a seeker, but yet, I mean, I'm assuming your life, your life wasn't about this, about spirituality and deep thoughts, yet you were curious, but it wasn't like a deep thing yet. Or was it?

[Masathi]

Well, at 22, you really start to wonder what your life is going to be like. It's like, gosh, what kind of job am I going to have? You know, what kind of wife and kids and all that stuff? So you start thinking about it. But at that level, a lot of younger individuals go through that process because they want to differentiate themselves from their parents. But then we don't know how to do that. Right. So it's like pushing against your parents to go, okay, I love my parents because my parents were really fantastic. You know, some people don't have great parents. So. But even if you love your parents, you don't want to just like recycle their experiences. So at a very, very deep level, you go, gosh, you know what, if I follow their path, whatever it is, I'm going to go through maybe a similar path, but have the same bottom line as my parents did. Because that's what we do in this reality, if that makes sense for you. Right. We do something different. We do have, you know, we got different technologies today and all that stuff, but the outcome of our lives are the same as previous generations, if you look at it. And it just cycles over and over again. Right, Right. So in that case, it's that, that need or desire of separation, you have to change programming.

[Alex Ferrari]

You don't want to play the same.

[Masathi]

Well, you don't want to be in the same level of consciousness doing something different because you'll get the same results.

[Alex Ferrari]

Basically makes perfect sense.

[Masathi]

That's the way I.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you came back, I assume you healed up okay?

[Masathi]

Absolutely. Everything was brilliant.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you came back though, did you just start yelling from the top of the hill, go, hey, guys, I was dead. And I went, I saw this thing called the Life Review. And did you even know what it was called at that point? No, the term hadn't used been out there yet. You haven't heard it. It. So when did you, how long did you keep this information in before you start talking about it? Because this is something that you want to talk about. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 360.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is Mike Borlow of Lexicon Valley,

[Masathi]

and I'm Bob Garfield. Are you one of those people who sometimes uses words?

[Alex Ferrari]

Do you communicate or acquire information with, you know, language?

[Masathi]

Hey, us too. So join us on Lexicon Valley to chew over the history, culture, and many mysteries of English. Plus some rice cracks.

[Alex Ferrari]

Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. And now back to the show.

[Masathi]

Well, I'm more of a quiet, introspective person.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fair enough.

[Masathi]

So, you know, I speak to a few of my friends. You know, gosh, you know, you go there and it's like. But it was more like you go inwards. It's the journey inwards again. Maybe it's my personality of going, gosh, what is that? You know? And you really want to understand it at a very, very deep level. So I didn't, you know, stand on top of the hill and go, hey, guys, you know, I've seen heaven. I've seen God and this and that, and you should come with me. Because I didn't understand the whole concept right. I wanted to really understand it, apply the concept, make it more valid. And maybe I didn't feel safe, you know, like sharing all those things. So people go, what year is this? Well, I was 22 in the 80s.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh yeah, this is not the time.

[Masathi]

It's not the time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Nowadays it's different. But that time was near death experiences had just in the 70s been kind of brought out into the public and coined the phrase and all that kind of stuff.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it took you a minute.

[Masathi]

It did. And you know, you didn't want to be deemed like crazy, of course, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, back then, I mean.

[Masathi]

Yeah, back then it's like, honey, you need to see a psychologist.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly.

[Masathi]

I don't need to see because, you know, that, that, that realm that I was felt more real than this physical reality. And so throughout the. But you know, on top of that, my intuition was really fantastic. My intuitive abilities, you know, heightened. I used it to run a, to get into, you know, a successful business that I, you know, that I did programming basically, which I do now.

[Alex Ferrari]

No pun intended.

[Masathi]

Yeah, programming. Is that crazy? So, yeah, I used it for that. But you know, I was always introspective. I did a lot of research, you know, on NDEs and, you know, spirituality and you know, some of the, some of the, you know, the more popular techniques on connecting, but again, they kind of felt shallow compared to my own experience, of course, you know, so, so, so. But that led me to my second year death experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so when did you die again?

[Masathi]

This was in my mid-40s.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, so it's second. You've taken a minute before you die again. Okay.

[Masathi]

Process the information.

[Alex Ferrari]

So this just really puts you down the path of a deeper seeker. Yes, that's what this is. Did for you. Essentially. It's like, I want to learn as much as I can about what I just experienced. You went inward, which is beautiful. I think we all should. I think so.

[Masathi]

Well, you know, the outward success. I mean, I was successful, you know,

[Alex Ferrari]

but it's shallow, man.

[Masathi]

That's just it. Because once you see that side and it's like. And people go, well, it's the money that makes it shallow. It's really not. It's you that makes it shallow money. And that's the key.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before we continue, can we just kind of put a kibosh on that whole money thing, please? Because, you know, this is, this is very, you know, Christian based, that you have to be poor. And also not only Christian based, but Eastern as well, like yogis and Tibetan monks and these kind of things that you must be poor and desolate to be highly spiritual. But to me, and to my understanding and please, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Is when you are. If you're going on your own personal journey and you want to meditate in a Cave for 30 years and eat rice and, and porridge, there's nothing wrong with that. That is your path. And many great masters have walked that path. But in the world that we live in today, and again, that's still a very valid path for many people.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

But in the world we are living in today, we need to really share this information with as many people as we can. We need to walk out into the world, really make an effort to change the world. And that doesn't come at a no money scenario. Even one of my great gurus that I follow, Yogananda. Yogananda was a swami. He was a yogi and a swami, and he didn't have money. But. But without the money that came into his life, he couldn't have done the work that he did.

[Masathi]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you need money. That's a currency of this reality to be able to reach more people, to do more things. And just a lot of people like, oh, if you make money, you're evil. That's a very Christian idea.

[Masathi]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I'd love to hear what you think and if you can kibosh this idea for people.

[Masathi]

Yes, please. Well, actually, you know, I was in a deep state meditation I was getting ready to do called Buddha states, one of the courses that we have, and, you know, meditating, you getting in, you know, having abilities to get into the zones of, say, the Buddha or the consciousness of Buddha, not the physical being, but the consciousness of Buddha. And you know, one of the most beautiful phrases, I wish it was mine. But Buddha basically in that meditative state told me, it's like, you know, suffering, you know, is not a prerequisite of enlightenment.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a path.

[Masathi]

And I'm going, buddha.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, you're famous for this Buddha.

[Masathi]

Exactly. It's like you're famous for this. You know, I'm teaching this course. It's like, what? And it's like, no, it's not. It's a condition of being unenlightened. And I'm going, wow, that's pretty deep. It's really deep. And what he was saying is basically like. And his path was not just suffering or letting go of your physical possessions, but basically what he was saying is, do not reference yourself compared to your physical possessions.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[Masathi]

Because your physical possessions are limited compared to who you are. One, it'll never fulfill you because, again, you're Comparing yourself to something that has fiat currency or fiat back. And you cannot, again, reference yourself to something that's not real. Right. Again, like money. It's just like, you know, like nowadays it's trillions of dollars being printed a day. Being printed a day. Exactly. So there's no value in it, really. So. Right. There's no intrinsic value. So you have to, again, equate. So what Buddha was saying or Buddha's teachings. And many of these individuals who say, went the poor path, they weren't really poor at all, by the way. If they needed the money, like Yogananda, it would come for them.

[Alex Ferrari]

He bought a 13 acre piece of real estate up in Mount Washington in Los Angeles.

[Masathi]

Exactly. So it comes when you need it. You don't have to, like, do savings accounts. You don't. It just like shows up when it materializes, when you need it. So that's the power of, say, abundance. But again, going back to Buddha basically is like, well, you need to separate yourself from all that. Okay. And some people would call it suffering, which is today's Buddhist and Christians, but it's really not. It's about cleansing yourself and understanding your reference of who you are compared to. Not physical reference points, but again, a higher level of who you are at

[Alex Ferrari]

a very deep level in nature. Nature is abundant.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

You look at an apple tree, it doesn't just pop out one apple.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

It pops out a lot. But the problem is when you associate yourself with how many apples you have in that tree. True. That's the difference.

[Masathi]

That's the difference.

[Alex Ferrari]

Having the abundance out in your backyard. And you could pull an apple whenever you need it. And if you need four or five apples, because I have people coming over, I want to make a pie, you can do that. But my being is not attached to how many apples that tree produces.

[Masathi]

That's the point. That's the problem. You get attached.

[Alex Ferrari]

People are like, I have the best. I have the best tree. How many apples do you have? I have five apples more than you do, like, that kind of thing. And that's where people get lost. And by the way, spiritual people constantly fall down that road.

[Masathi]

That's true.

[Alex Ferrari]

Constantly.

[Masathi]

That's true.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I've seen it in every denomination, every walk of life, that yogis. And they will start to like, I think I need a Rolls Royce. I think I need five Rolls Royces. I think I need five, because that's what. And I'm not gonna call out who I'm talking about, but, like, the Lord told me I need a private Jet. Can you please donate to me? Because I need. The Lord told me I need a private. That kind of stuff makes no sense. Like, I've told people so many times, like, if $100 million was dropped on my doorstep tomorrow, I'd be like, cool, now I can get to work.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, because after a certain point.

[Masathi]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

After 10 million, does a hundred really change your lifestyle? I mean, really. I'm not saying that we need 10, but you know what I mean, like, at a certain point, what. What do you need? You need a box to live in. True. You need a car to drive around in. Maybe some food. Some people, you know, the physical stuff.

[Masathi]

Of course. Well, you still. You don't want your wealth to become a facade of your weaknesses, because that's what it is. However, if you switch that around, it should. Your wealth becomes a reflection of who you are. So if you're highly, highly evolved, you know, and you need Rolls Royces or a jet to do your work, you know, there's nothing wrong with that. As long as, again, as you're not defining yourself by that, it's a reflection of your, say, expediency. Because, say, a private jet.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, there's a jet.

[Masathi]

You know what I mean? Those kind of senses.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah.

[Masathi]

Yeah. It makes total. It makes total sense.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey. How's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan, what would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

[Alex Kanchowitz]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Masathi]

So the key, the key overall is your wealth should become a reflection of you because you are an infinite being and you have infinite opportunities or infinite availability to whatever that's needed for you. But you don't hoard, you don't compare yourself to go, you know, because I work with a lot of people and they go, yeah, you know, my, my yacht is like 20, 20 foot bigger than, you know, my friend's yacht. I'm going, okay, yeah, we need some work here.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, yeah, because at the end of the day when you leave, when you're at the place you are at, no one's looking at the yacht, no

[Masathi]

one's looking at the yacht. No one's like, what, what, what's your frequency? How much you know, what frequency did you resonate while you were in physical form?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like they say, you never see a U haul attached to a hearse.

[Masathi]

True, true, true. I like that one. I like that one.

[Alex Ferrari]

There was another near death experiencer who said that. Damon Dan and Danon Brinkley told me that once.

[Masathi]

Oh, I love Dannon.

[Alex Ferrari]

Dannon is amazing. He said that. It's one of my first episodes and I never forgot that. He goes, well, you never see a hurt. You never see a U haul attached to a hers.

[Masathi]

So funny.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's wonderful. All right, so you died again. So what happened the second time?

[Masathi]

It was a drowning. We were in Belize.

[Alex Ferrari]

Why do you need to go through this stuff, bro?

[Masathi]

Well, the first one kind of awakened me to the possibility, but the second one, the second one, I think accelerated me. So I look at near death experiences, and again, the third one is a mastery level, but I looked at a second. I mean, NDEs kind of like a psychedelic states.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Masathi]

It puts you into altered states. It's the most extreme. Extreme psychedelics, I was gonna say. You know what I mean? It's very.

[Alex Ferrari]

Flatliners.

[Masathi]

Yes. It's like, because you can transcend thousands of layers of your identity or thousands of years of existence here pretty quick. You can go from point a or point one to point 10,000 in a very short time or no time. You can just literally go from here to there. The key is to stay up there. And that's what the second near death allowed me to do. Second near death. It was a drowning. And, you know, we were in Belize, we were in a rafting trip, and, you know, we connected. You know, the guide goes, well, you know, you're, you know, you want to stay interlocked with your feet, otherwise you'll get pulled into other tributaries. Something happened to me where I had to unlock my feet with the other group. So the group went one way. My sons and I went the other way. And I got pulled into a cenote. It's basically a hole.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah, cenote, sure.

[Masathi]

So I pull, you know, I pushed my kids aside and I got sucked in. And that's where, you know, I was trying to crawl out. But, but I was in this lava tube back then. Probably was a lava tube. Now it's filled with water. But the water pressure was so great, you know, I was trying to crawl out. And then at some point you give up. You know, it's like, gosh. And that's, you know, that's when I go, gosh, I'll never see my kids grow up. And, you know, it's like, damn, I thought I had a great future and all that. You know, it's like. And then all of a sudden, you see your body just. I saw my body just float away into, you know, the bowels of the earth. And it felt this expansiveness again and the joy and the beauty. And I could still feel the water, the presence of water. You went through. I went through the, the rock and then back through the river, and then I sent it into higher realms this time. I, I, I didn't go, I went through the tunnel of light, but I graduated through that tunnel of light. And when you graduate, you're never really supposed to come back, but somehow I. I guess cheated, you know, because I always want to know, like, what's behind that. This, you know, what's behind the curtain.

[Alex Ferrari]

Little hackser.

[Masathi]

Yeah. And I look behind it and I'm going, oh, my God, this is so cool.

[Alex Ferrari]

All right, so let's take it step by step. So you've drowned, now your spirit's gone again. So you're going through that quote, unquote tunnel of light. Where do you get to? What do you see?

[Masathi]

Well, you transcend the tunnel of light and it's just like. It's like a black hole or a void because it's a space of nothingness.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I've heard that.

[Masathi]

And it actually is. That space of nothingness is actually the space of everything possible because it had to be nothing for you to create or render everything. It's a blank slate without judgment.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a blank slate.

[Masathi]

It's a blank slate, exactly. And it's beautiful up there, but I could feel like, gosh, I have access to all possibilities here, and I had access to all knowledge that ever was, is, and shall be. And I'm going, whoa. It's like a huge. I call it the universal database. And it's the cloud. Yeah, it is. And you can have access to it and anything that you need or want. It's even faster, you know, because there's no time, no space at that level.

[Alex Ferrari]

And your processor can handle that. Our processor down here cannot.

[Masathi]

No, no, exactly. And so. And it's a beautiful. It turned into a beautiful blue space, kind of like the deep ocean blue. It turned into that. And I'm going, wow, this is so beautiful. And the amount of love at that level is a million times greater than what you could handle here. I don't think you could handle that much love here. Your body would just like explode. It's like an orgasmic state. But anything you wanted there, anything you could do, you literally transform into. It's like, oh, I want to go to France. It's like, oh, you're in France. It's like that. So it took a little bit, you know, to understand the concepts. And I don't know how long, according to my wife, at the time, I probably was underwater, like 8, 10 minutes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you should be brain dead at that point.

[Masathi]

Yeah, I should be brain dead at that point. Yeah. But over there it was like life, like lifetimes, because it's forever. So there's no time, there's no space. And then I blacked out, came back.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what Happened up there. That was it. It's just this kind of space.

[Masathi]

Yeah. Well, it felt so beautiful, you know, and just gorgeous. And that's where I got downloaded all the information.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. So that was what I was trying to get basically.

[Masathi]

It was a connection point.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you, you basically hooked up to the cloud, the. The Akashic cloud, if you will, and were able to download as much information that you needed in this lifetime because you can't bring it all back with you. But you had access to all of it up there.

[Masathi]

I still do have access, I think. You know, I. So I think I went there to get verified, to go, oh, okay, you can have. Here's your username and password. They gave me admin level access.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you have admin level access, but just like the cloud, you can't absorb everything at once, but you can pick and choose what you need and have access to it.

[Masathi]

Yes. So it's like you get that connection or you get that username, password, admin level, you know, and then it blacked out. And then I found myself about 100 yards above river from where I drowned, which was interesting because it's like, how

[Alex Ferrari]

did I get there?

[Masathi]

How did I get above river compared to down river? I should be down river somewhere. And it really confused me and I was like, oh, somebody really loves me up there. It's like literally getting picked up and here you go. It's just a quiet part of the river. And it's like, wow, this is really nice. And obviously that never leaves you, that existence. But it took me about probably about three, four years, Dark Nights of the Soul to figure all that out. Because the information that was downloading, you know what I mean? It is an overload. And it's like you couldn't stop it because once you're connected to the truth, it just like comes in and it doesn't stop.

[Alex Ferrari]

So as. So I've heard this before where this kind of information is coming in and you're just trying to handle. Process.

[Masathi]

Process.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're trying to process this.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

While living in this simulation. So you are connecting to a higher level.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

While still trying to maintain a life.

[Masathi]

It doesn't work out.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's very difficult. So that's where this dark night of the soul comes in. But you went through that for about three years. So I'm assuming the people around you, colleagues, this is not work out well for you.

[Masathi]

No, it didn't. It was difficult. Everything was dark. You know, the relationships, you know, that I had with my, you know, partner at the Time. It's like, gosh, you start to understand why, you know, you got attracted to that relationship and, you know, the logistics or the logic of this reality. Alex, it doesn't make sense.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, no.

[Masathi]

You know, and it's like, gosh, it doesn't make sense compared to the logic that's up there. And it's very pristine. I would call it first principle logic. It works each and every time. It works for everybody the same way. You know, it's just like the laws. It's just like the laws of gravity and electromagnetism. It works each and every time for you and it works without prejudice. So that's the level of consciousness or rule sets, the physics laws that I was getting used to. And I'm going, damn, this place doesn't make sense at all. And then furthermore, I get pulled into like deep state meditations, like 2, 3, 4 in the morning. It's like, hey, wake up. And I'm going, who? What's that voice? Who's that voice? You know, I'd look around, it's like, it's time to meditate. I'll just do it. You know, when I wake up in the morning, it's only three. It's like, no, it's time to meditate. And you know, and I got used to the. I got used to the voice because it wouldn't leave you alone.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're not going back to sleep.

[Masathi]

You know, it's like, no, you need to meditate. Like, okay, what's the voice? I think it's the same presence that from my first near death, it sounds that beautiful voice.

[Alex Ferrari]

So is it that essentially do you feel it's like a spirit guide or something along those lines?

[Masathi]

Yeah, it's be like a collective consciousness, I think at that layer where you always have tribes that you're with and the higher you go, say like you have say a couple thousand people that's connected to you loved ones on the other side, your tribe.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and A managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Masathi]

Then you elevate yourself to the next group, the next level. And then there's like, you know, 10,000 more people. So you, you know, with each higher, you know, with each level that you go higher and higher, you know, your group gets bigger and bigger. So at that level, it's a collective voice. It's just one singular voice. It's like the mastermind. Nowadays I would call it the mastermind, but that one voice is like, yeah, it's time to meditate. And it was like mystic teachings where it's like, okay, tonight we're going to teach you about this. Tonight we're going to teach you about a thousand ways to die. And literally, I went through a thousand ways of death. It was painful as hell. Three, four hours of just dying. It's like, you die. You get back up, you die. It's like, why do I have to go through this? And it said, well, so you can learn how to heal people. I'm going, what? I want to be a computer programmer, you know, sell some program to Google, make my billion dollars and not be good. That was the first time I heard about healing. You know, I'm going, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do. It's like, yeah, so.

[Alex Ferrari]

All right, so now you're going through this dark night of the soul for three years. Relationships are being pulled apart. Your life's being pulled apart.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're being trained to do the work you're doing. And when you get out of that dark night of the soul, you. You finally see light, and you get out of it. What's the next step after that?

[Masathi]

Well, the next step is I lost everything. Went bankrupt, had my car repossessed. Like, all those things. Fun, fun. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Good stuff.

[Masathi]

You know, you lose your yacht, all those things that didn't make.

[Alex Ferrari]

I hate it when I lose my yacht. I don't know about you. It's horrible. I've lost three already.

[Masathi]

Yeah. So. But what. That was my identity, and I think that was the. That was. The thing is, like. And I remember being, you know, just moving my last box, you know, because we had to move out of this beautiful house. And. And it's like, oh, so, you know, and you're down in the dumps. It's like, so. And, you know, it's like, so, what have you lost again? The big, beautiful voice. And I'm going, what? It's like, I've. Oh, wait, I didn't lose anything. And it showed me, like, who I really was without that type of definition. And from that point on, I never looked back, Alex. And that's where, you know, I started working on it, people.

[Alex Ferrari]

So the thing is that just from my point of view is like, you needed to live that lifestyle and be very successful on a financial standpoint. But you were. You were completely identified with the wealth around you. Like the thing we were talking about earlier. You needed to lose it all because that taught you the lesson where now you can walk into a client who has a yacht and go, hey, listen, man, I lost my yacht. And this is how I. It's coming from a place of being there with certain clients, if you will.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you work with all ranges of people, but that is a subset of your client.

[Masathi]

Yes, absolutely. And that's what I do. Is like, yes, you have all that, but you're still aging like everybody else. You still have the same type of relationships. You're still gonna die like everybody else. Right. You're gonna get the same diseases as your parents do in societies. So you're not much different. You're just, you know, again, being more comfortable, being uncomfortable, you know, so with that mindset is like, you can change all of that. And that's what I do for a lot of people.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, I worked in Hollywood for so many years, and I knew a lot of celebrities, a lot of people at very high levels. I'm sure you have, too, in your line of work, Oscar winners and so on. And did some of the most miserable.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

People I've met. And not all. Not all, but many of them I could just see and watch as a director. I would work with them or I would. Would sit in the back and I would watch. And sometimes I was invited into their inner circle and I would see what they were going through.

[Masathi]

I was like, oh, it was.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was a learning lesson for me about fame.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because fame is a whole other drug.

[Masathi]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, you talk about. We talk about yachts and other things. Fame is a whole other drug. And a lot of these TikTok generation kids coming up in YouTube kids, they got the money, but the fame is what really drives them. And it's. And it's. It's when it goes. Because they can't see a world where I'm not famous.

[Masathi]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Kind of thing. And when that dries up, for whatever reason.

[Masathi]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're gonna. They're gonna crumble.

[Masathi]

True.

[Alex Ferrari]

And doesn't matter how much money you have.

[Masathi]

True. Well, you know, fame and fortune, those are all magnifiers. Having kids, love and all that, it just shows you the weaknesses that you are. And that's a good thing, by the way, because it says, like, you know, you go into a level of fame. Right. Or fortune, and it's like, well, hey, if you want to stay up here and enjoy it, you need to get rid of all this stuff, you know, all the burdens of your life. You need to fix your genetic patterns and all that. Otherwise you're not going to enjoy the fortune up here. But what most people do, Alex, is like, they try to hide. Just like getting into a relationship where, you know you're getting into a relationship, you start to fall in love, and then the first thing you realize when you fall in love is, like, all your weaknesses show up. And then what do people do? They go, gosh, you Know, I better justify these weaknesses. I better hide these weaknesses. I better put a mask on. Yeah, put the mask on. No, like, you know, spirit is telling you. It's like, no. If you really want to enjoy that love the way, you know, we've. We've created it for you in purity, you need to let go of the weaknesses that you are. You need to grow from who you are, transition into a new version of who you are. But people don't do that. So people, you know, fortune, fame, love, kids and everything else, they keep destroying themselves. They keep holding onto their old identities instead of, like, shedding that old identity and embracing the new.

[Alex Ferrari]

But, Maz, those identities are much more comfortable, even if they're miserable.

[Masathi]

I know. Is that crazy?

[Alex Ferrari]

Even if you're miserable, it's the devil you know.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's what people's mentalities are. It's the devil you know? And you're like, that new thing's very scary.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Coming out into the world is scary. And when I started this podcast, I was terrified. Coming from Hollywood, you know, opening up a spiritual podcast, it was, like, terrifying. It was like, oh, this is new. You know, I'm just gonna stick where I know. And you've kind of come to those moments in life.

[Masathi]

But.

[Alex Ferrari]

But most people just keep recycling. And I could see it in the. At least in my. My family and kind of that gen. Those generations, older generations of aunts and uncles and things like that. You could just see absolutely. The programming playing out again and again, again and again and again. And I was just like, I don't. I don't understand. Like, I don't understand. Like, there was a perfect example. I had a relative of mine who lived in the Same House for 45 years and was a renter. Well, a renter. And they were. And the owner offered, do you want to do a rent to own? I mean, I want to give this to you. This is essentially your house at this point. Like, you've been here so long. You know what?

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they never broke from that because there was a program inside of them that told them, no, no, no, no. This is safer. I don't want to deal with being a landlord. I don't want to deal with the roof. I want to be able to just call somebody and the roof will be fixed and things like. But they didn't see the long game. They see, you know, what the benefits are of owning real estate. But it was fascinating to see how when I found out, when they passed, I go, so who's gonna get the House. Oh, they've been renting. I go, are you what? They've been there.

[Masathi]

40.

[Alex Ferrari]

When I was born, they were there. It was crazy. But that's how powerful these programs are, right?

[Masathi]

Well, you know, through the programs that we do, you know, as people become exponentially intelligent, like you were saying, they look at their parents and they look at their relatives. They get home for Christmas or holidays and all that, and it's like, gosh, I used to be them. And they see those patterns that they were so comfortable with. And the cool thing is they're not comfortable with them anymore. It's like, I don't like them. But no, wait, that was you. So you need to honor those individuals, not hate them. But it allows people to really step out of who they are.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's difficult to maintain relationships like that with close family. You know, you have to come to grips with who they are and meet them where they are. But other relationships, especially friends, colleagues, that all changes. It really does. As they say, you know, people are in your life for a reason. A season of life. And that. It's so, so true. But it's difficult, isn't it?

[Masathi]

It is. It is. The cool thing about all that is, you know, when people start to really, really shift. And I think what you're getting to is it's more comfortable, is people don't know how to rise to the next level, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently. It said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting. Take your call 247 365.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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[Masathi]

But when you start to awaken again, become exponentially intelligent, you literally start to automatically rise to the next level. So although it's discomfort, the physicalness, it feels so much better for you because you have a path. Most people don't have that next step, that next path to take them to that level. So they go, well, I'd rather just stay where I am. It's not a choice up here. It's just a consciousness that they can't say, get out of it's subconscious.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sometimes they don't even realize what's going on.

[Masathi]

Your story reminds me of.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll just call him Rich Man.

[Masathi]

Yeah, the rich guy. He stayed. He's. I think he's Iowa. I think so. But he's lived in the same house.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, you're talking about Warren.

[Masathi]

Yeah, Warren Buffett.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Oh, he hasn't moved.

[Masathi]

He hasn't moved.

[Alex Ferrari]

He lives in a normal house.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is probably not the smartest thing in the world to do on a security standpoint alone.

[Masathi]

No, that's it.

[Alex Ferrari]

I know how you're trying to be cool and you try like, hey, I'm down to earth, even though I have 40 or $100 billion.

[Masathi]

Yeah. Whatever it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

But at a certain point.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Security.

[Masathi]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, apparently it's not a problem, but.

[Masathi]

Yeah. He lives in the same house, drives the same car and all that stuff.

[Alex Ferrari]

Drinks Coca Cola and eats McDonald's.

[Masathi]

Yeah. It's like, it's okay, Warren. But what the underlying reason. Yeah. You've turned it into maybe something cool. And it's not that cool to me. But the thing is, is that the Underlying reason is not because of what you think it is. The underlying reason is that you can't get away from. Because I read people, you know, that's one of the gifts that I've had after the second year death, I read people and get to the cause of why they have it. So, like, for Warren, it's like his wealth actually comes from his grandmother. So he has a very feminine feel to me, a frequency.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, absolutely.

[Masathi]

And he's very safe with his grandmother, who probably died in that house. So that's the underlying reason his grandmother basically won't let him go.

[Alex Ferrari]

Anytime I've ever seen him in an interview, he's never been like, this aggressive. And he's a very calm, quiet, just sits down, does his thing. He has a very kind of relaxed energy, very nurturing, very nurturing mother kind of all that stuff. Not the guy who has 120. And I'm sure he's ruthless behind the scenes. I mean, to make as much money as he is.

[Masathi]

Well, he gets his information from somebody on the other side that goes, hey, invest in this, invest in that, invest in that. You know what I mean? But again, the cause is here. The effect of his life is here. And then he justifies, you know, where he is, but the real reason is because of what's happened here for him.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's fascinating.

[Masathi]

Yeah. And that's, you know, that's what I do is like, people go, gosh, you know, mas I can't make money, or, you know, I can't hold on a job, or, you know, I get into relationships that destroy me. It's like, well. And then people start to solve for the effect, but you really have to go to the cause of why that happened.

[Alex Ferrari]

You don't need an aspirin. You need to know why you're in pain.

[Masathi]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

And most people just keep popping them pills.

[Masathi]

Popping the pills. Exactly. I need another relationship. I need another million dollars. I need this. That'll help me.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like, oh, if I only got another million.

[Masathi]

Oh, yes, that's.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the great line, isn't it? Like, if I just could get that one extra million, my life would be perfect. If I could just date that one. If I could have that person in my life, my life would be perfect.

[Masathi]

Yeah. It's like, let's look at the logistics here. Let's look at your algorithms that you're running. Because when you get that person, it's then the next thing that's gonna, you

[Alex Ferrari]

know, pop up for you, and that's the thing that, again, working in Hollywood, so much of people's, you know, goal is to be, you can win an Oscar. And I've spoken to people who run Oscars, like, so how is it?

[Masathi]

And like,

[Alex Ferrari]

yeah, like, now what? Like, they, they. They actually get into a depression after they win an Oscar because they have no idea what else to do. If, like, that's the pinnacle. Like, okay, I've. I've won the super bowl. Not win it again. Like, what am I? Like, that's the only. Like. And if you've attached yourself so much to that goal, when you get there, you haven't enjoyed the journey.

[Masathi]

True. I address that actually with people. And the reason is because they've sacrificed forward rather than backwards. So when you sacrifice forward, you start to let go of your true essence of who you are to get what you want in the future. Hence, sacrificing forward, you lose your identity. This is where people become successful and their spouse goes, I don't know who you are anymore.

[Alex Ferrari]

The ends justify the means.

[Masathi]

Yeah, exactly. And then, you know, extreme levels, you know, people. You know, we can get into people selling their soul and all that stuff,

[Alex Ferrari]

you know, but the Pablo Escobars of

[Masathi]

the world, yeah, we won't get into that. But people who just sacrifice more and more because they go, if I get this, you know, treasure, whether it's an Oscar, a million dollars, you know, that. Whoever, you know, that. That person that turns them on, I'll be perfect. But they've sold so much of themselves, let go of so much of themselves when they get there, you know, the journey, you know, was not worth the. You know, it wasn't worth the object.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's what one of my favorite shows of all time is, Breaking Bad.

[Masathi]

Oh, yeah, I've seen a couple of them.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's such a brilliant show because it's exactly what you're talking about. A science teacher, high school science teacher, has cancer, and he needs to make money at the beginning to help his family, right? And in the course of those five seasons, he turns. He loses himself the entire way. Everything that made him who he was, he gets lost. But the main issue was, is not that he got lost, but by the time he gets to go, because at a certain point, like, he had hundreds of millions of dollars. He was the most powerful meth dealer in the planet, or whatever it was. He was. I mean, his name rung fear across the world, you know, in the. In the drug. Drug cartels and stuff like that. Oh, it's a man. It's amazing. Amazing. But he actually got lost so far that he actually enjoyed being the guy he turned into. And he kept saying to himself in his programming of the character, I'm doing this for you. I'm doing this for you, for your. For my family. I'm doing this for my family. And the family's like, no, this is not about us anymore. This is about you and your ego. And yeah, until he loses, you know, where he goes towards the end, he loses it all. It is such a beautiful explanation of what you're talking about.

[Next Level Soul Host]

Extreme.

[Masathi]

Yeah, extreme.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you lose yourself for the goal. And trust me, being in Hollywood for so many years, especially when I was a young man, I would, I mean, if certain opportunities would have presented themselves in my 20s, absolutely. I almost made a $20 million movie for the Mafia. There's a whole book about it. It was a horrible, horrible experience. And I literally, that was, I think, the thing that broke my heart. My thing. I'm like, I probably shouldn't go down that far of a road. But I was taught that lesson because I would have self destructed, no question.

[Masathi]

Exactly. So there's a safety mechanism. But what you want to really do is you can still make the million dollars or whatever that you need. But the deal is that what kind of person do you have to resonate at what frequency do you have to be to hold on to, say, value at that level? A million dollars? So that's where you sacrifice backwards. You let go of all your distortions, you let go of your genetic patterns and so on. So with each moment, you're getting closer and closer and more expansive to who you really are, to somebody that actually deserves or can maintain a frequency of holding on to millions of dollars or a beautiful spouse or whatever it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

Healthy relationship.

[Masathi]

Exactly. So when you attach, you know, when you finally get that prize that you're seeking, you go, oh my God, it's the next. It's. It's an icon of where you are in, say, frequencies, and you can maintain that level of frequency.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, it's funny that I've, you know, as this show has gone on, you know, it's been a successful show, and the more successful the show gets, I find myself pulling back away from its success. Meaning, like, I don't want to. Want to be. I don't want fame, I don't want the light. I'm pulling back from it in a good way, in a healthy way, as opposed to. If I was in my 20s, I would be leading with it, I would be attached to it. I would be telling everybody who walked like, hey, you know, I got a YouTube show. It's got this, you know, now I. Nobody. There's people in my life who have no idea what I do.

[Masathi]

Oh, so cool.

[Alex Ferrari]

I just, I just don't talk about it. It just is not like, what are you doing? Like, ah, media.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I work in three them.

[Masathi]

Oh, cool.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's it. And that. And I kind of. But I found myself pulling away from it more at this stage in my life because it's not. I don't identify.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I identify with the mission, what I do, but not the, the all the other trappings, if you will. I try not to at least.

[Masathi]

Well, maybe we could work on that, Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, my kids keep me grounded.

[Masathi]

Yeah. So. Because sometimes, you know, people like you, you know, you've got a beautiful soul, you know, and you know, it's like, gosh, if I go down that path, I'm going to lose my identity. But again, you know, we have logistics on where you can, you know, expand on who you are and be successful and not lose that identity. And that's really the key.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, it is. And I think it's probably the programming of what I saw in Hollywood.

[Masathi]

I think that's what it is.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's exactly what it is. I've seen so many people lose themselves going down the road and diving into it. It. Exactly that I'm very hesitant to, to walk.

[Masathi]

That's what I see.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've talked to people before, I tell them like, if I could do this behind the scenes and no one sees my face, I would do it. But unfortunately I've agreed to do this the way I'm doing it.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I enjoy it. I enjoyed it. But I. It's not, you know, I don't wear my merch on the street. Let's just put it that way. True. But it's, it's fat. It's just a fascinating thing. All right, so before we finish, you died the third time. What happened at the Mastery line level? We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. Wonderful. 20 million is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take. Take your call. 24, 7, 365.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's large injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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Hi, this is Alex Canceroitz. I'm the host of Big Technology Podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to cnbc. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, in meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Masathi]

Oh, the third time was about, gosh, about a year and a half ago, I was in Paris. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that's a mastery level. So the first near death allowed me or opened me up to possibilities of what could be out there, you know, understanding again, space and time. Second, near death was a learning course. Basically it's like, okay, this is how you can stay youthful, be vibrant, you know, make, you know, be successful and all that. The logistics of how this reality works, literally the physics of how this reality works. And then, gosh, I've been doing this for 13, 14 years. Hundreds of thousands of client sessions. So the third one was like a mastery level. It's like, okay, you've achieved it. So it's like really turning into or morphing into a physical being that could actually hold on to that higher frequency. Because. Because at those higher frequencies, if your body is not complete or solid enough, you'd start to burn up.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah. Your nervous system can't handle it.

[Masathi]

Yes. So that's what I actually went through. That third near death is where my mineral. I was in Peru, and I probably had Covid, which probably accelerated everything, and my body stopped, literally. And I was in the hospital, which is a terrible thing. You never want to be in a hospital in Peru to say it's not the best health care. So I got shifted from one hospital to another because they didn't have the right thing. And it was. The roads there were so bumpy, and it was like. Anyway, I'm lying in the hallway because they have to get a room prepared for me. And you're dying, and I'm dying, and my son is there, and it's just like. There's just pure black. And then all of a sudden, I see this light, and I just hover over my body, and I'm looking at my son holding me down. It's really, really sad. And I could just see the anguish in his face. And then I just disappeared. And I went into this again, this beautiful abyss. And it's just like no time and no space.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you're back to the same place.

[Masathi]

Yeah. And, well, this time it was just. No, it was like I was sitting on. Literally on the. Sitting on the edge of the universe and looking at time and space. And I'm going, whoa, that's cool. And it was just quiet.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that was it.

[Masathi]

And that was. Was just like. Everything was just so peaceful. But to be at that level of no time and no space and be conscious, that's really. That's. It's like. It's like. I can't even describe it.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it almost sounds like you're at a. You've reached multiple levels of the other side, essentially. You know, there are levels of where people go or souls.

[Masathi]

This is where you don't have an identity because, you know, people talk about their spirit. Like, the first near death allowed me to understand that we're spirit. But your identity spirit still has physical form. The second one allowed me to go, oh, I don't even have physical form because in pure spirit, you don't have a physical identity. You don't have a human identity. The third one allowed me to maintain that space of no identity at all. I mean, there's just no judgment, no nothing. The way we conceive, there's no reference points at that level. But you can maintain your consciousness, so. Because in this reality, for you to maintain your consciousness or your sanity, you know, you'd need reference points of who you are. Like. Like if. Like a quiet room. You. Have you ever been in this in Minnesota?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, like a quiet room. This is the quietest room I've been in. It's pretty quiet when no one. It's pretty quiet when no one. When the AC is off. Yeah. This is soundproof.

[Masathi]

It's pretty cool. But when. When you have no reference points, like, sounds get absorbed, people go crazy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. There's that one room that, like, it's the quietest room in the world. And you walk in there.

[Masathi]

Yeah, it's in Minnesota.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Like, how many minutes?

[Masathi]

Yeah. It can only exist there in, like. I think the longest is, like, three, four minutes, maybe. I don't know if. Now you lose. It's not that you lose your mind. You lose your mind so.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because your mind's trying to grab onto something.

[Masathi]

Exactly, because you always need reference points of who you are. So in a state where there's no reference points and you can maintain your sanity and just expand. Is quite an amazing feat. And that consciousness, it took me about a year. It revamped my heart. And the way I died, it was. I didn't have enough minerals.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, you were mineral deficient. And I'm sure the altitude didn't help.

[Masathi]

No. So my body stopped. I didn't have a heart attack. Literally, my whole muscular system just stopped.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because. Yeah, that makes up. Yeah. You need some Gatorade or at least some electrolytes. Coconut water.

[Masathi]

No, but the thing is, I had strength. So much of that during the day, I just wasn't processing it. I don't know. Something was going on. But when I came back, my heart, my circulatory system, everything got revamped. It took me about a year, but I'm healthier now than ever before. And I certainly don't look my age, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

No, you don't. No, you don't. Especially after I fix you in post.

[Masathi]

Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I have to ask you, man, you've gone through all of these different experiences. You've seen the other side. You've peeked behind the curtain. You've seen the code.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you deal with this every day? This existence with Knowing what you know.

[Masathi]

Well, I see it as an opportunity for humanity to expand upon itself. It's kind of like right now humanity is at a teenage level where it's starting to learn because, you know, the problems of the world isn't just today's problem. It's an accumulation of what we didn't learn in the past. So as a teenage level, human consciousness again, human species, I see it again, teenager level. So it has an opportunity to go down the path of its predecessor or go towards another direction. And I see that as more and more people awaken and, you know, more and more people are awakening.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah.

[Masathi]

You know, with shows like yours, you know what I'm doing, people hear my name or they go, gosh, that resonates true for me. So more people are awakening. There's that saying, the meek shall inherit the Earth. So that's actually, I think, what's happening. The meek inherits the Earth. What that means is that you don't have politicians, you don't have the state or whoever controlling you. You are supposed to come into your own autonomous, say, nature of who you are. And that's really key. And that's what's happening today. Those people who want to become autonomous, who want to master this reality, it's going to be a beautiful state. Those who don't, well, let's just say their software version that they're running not going to be upgraded. That version is not going to be supported anymore.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's dos.

[Masathi]

It's dos. Yeah, yeah, it's dos. And it's like, okay, so they just like, will die off, unfortunately, because they didn't wake up, but that's okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what do you see? Like, right now, we're in such a turmoil as we speak. There's an election going on today. Today is the election day for the US as we speak. And this will air after this? Of course.

[Masathi]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there seems to be a lot of stuff happening in the world.

[Masathi]

Oh, absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

Where do you see humanity in these next few years, from your point of view?

[Masathi]

Yeah, well, you know, with. At an individual level, this is what happens. I see it as a, you know, societal level. But at a personal level, people go through the same process. Society is going right now. So with the work that I do, people go through what I call detox. They let go of all their bull that they can't hold onto because consciousness is awakening. Consciousness is becoming more and more transparent. Time and space is becoming more efficient. That's the bottom line. Time and space is becoming more and more efficient. So we can't hide our lives. We can't hide, you know, the heaviness or the distortions that we needed in the past. So that's letting go. And because of that there's a lot of awakening our financial institutions, religious institutions, whatever lie that we have at any level those things are going, hey, do you need to carry this into the next level? Because you can't. So all that stuff is shedding away again. So with that being said, there are people that are going to go, you know what? I really didn't need that stuff. I want to let go of my parents patterns and all that. I want to turn into. I want to try a new financial system that's beneficial, that has real value.

[Alex Ferrari]

Stop it.

[Masathi]

And that's what's happening. So it's like yes. So that opportunity is showing up for.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod.

[Masathi]

Say hi Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion won. 20 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually I think somewhere north. Probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Awesome.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show,

[Masathi]

and then again. So the great divide. Before it was race and skin color and religion. Religions and sex. Sex nowadays, you know, it's like, so we went through all that. No, the great divide is, are you at a certain level of frequency or are you not? And that's the great divide.

[Alex Ferrari]

And there seems to be a battle of that right now. The old systems and the new systems. The old systems, and I've said this so many times in the show that the old systems are crumbling in every aspect of life, from religion, from money to healthcare to food to Hollywood to all of it. It's all you could see, literally see the cracks.

[Masathi]

Yes. Because they had the wrong foundation

[Alex Ferrari]

and they did what they needed to do for the time they served humanity.

[Masathi]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

And they needed. I mean, we needed those things, you know, at a certain time in humanity's existence. But now it's kind of like, okay, we. We can drive electric cars, but the horse and buggy, we got to go back to the horse and buggy, you know, or just riding horses or just walking everywhere, like, yeah, well, we don't.

[Masathi]

You know, again, people go, well, technology is bad, or AI is bad, and so on. I actually trained, you know, AI to be literally sentient, you know, where it comes back with some really logical plans, which is really, really cool. So it's how we use technology because we're the ones that are destructive forces, and we reflect upon, you know, our financial systems, our religious systems, our technology. We're the ones that create the destruction, not the object. And we always limit or control or put down laws. Like nowadays, you know, we have AI, Right? It's like, well, we need more laws. It's like, no, we need to change our consciousness of who we are, because that's just an extension of who we are. Anything that we do is an extension of who we are. So we need to reflect back, and that's what's happening in today's society. So there's a lot of chaos going on. That chaos is really good. The question is, are we going to hold on to our chaos? And go, yep, like you said, you know, are we going to be more comfortable holding on to that bull or are we going to go, okay, let's let it go and try a new world. So that's where we are. I see it as a brave new world coming out. So it's beautiful opportunities for everybody.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said, sir. I'm going to ask you a few questions, ask all my guests.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Masathi]

Living a fulfilled life is being as closely connected to your limitless self. So you have a time bound self, you have a limitless self, the closer you are with less filters, that's a fulfilled life because anything that you do would become a reflection of that and becomes really, truly fulfilling. So it's closer to your timeless self of who you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and speak to little Moss, what advice would you give him?

[Masathi]

I do that already. Go back and heal that younger version of me. So as you heal that younger version, the physical version comes in. Yeah. So it's like, gosh, you know, I really love you.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're good enough.

[Masathi]

Yeah, you're good enough. You're beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you define God or source?

[Masathi]

Yes. So definition is basically my definition of God. Or pure source is the intelligence that created this reality. And the physics principles, if you follow that physics, the science, not religions or anything like that. But if you follow the science of trillions of years of evolution, that would be that intelligence that I would define God.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is love?

[Masathi]

Love is. It sounds kind of strange. It's basically an efficiency factor. Again, love is a connection to how close you are. So it's a reference point on how close you are to your purest possible version of who you could be at that moment. The closer you are or the closer you live into say, physical existence in the present moment, the love you feel, immense joy and love. So you become the observer of your physical form. So the more you can do that rather than the flip, most people see their physical form and then some people go, well, there's a spirit out there, I don't even know what that is. But if you can see yourself from again a spiritual aspect of who you are, looking upon your physical form, you start to create more love. The way you do that is create more efficiencies of who you are by letting go of those filters.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Masathi]

The ultimate purpose of life is about understanding your understanding space and time or the multi dimensional space that is created here again, the programming so you can Render yourself here in physical form with all the possibilities of being a limitless being. So again, at a spirit level, you're limitless, you're all powerful. How do you render that each moment at a time and still realize it? So basically, walking here on physical earth, on physical form, through your spiritual eyes, experiencing that.

[Alex Ferrari]

And where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing?

[Masathi]

They can go to the xicode.com T H E X I code.com they can also go to my YouTube channel, Masadi on Sunday. There's a lot of free information there.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very cool. And do you have any parting messages for the audience?

[Masathi]

Yes. So you are perfect where you are. As long as you become present. You know, as long as you're really, really present of who you are, you can start your journey anywhere. You don't have to wait for anything. You can start in the moment understanding who you are. And once you understand who you are, you can clean up quite fast. You don't have to take decades or even lifetimes. You can do it rather fast.

[Alex Ferrari]

Moss, it's been such a pleasure meeting you, man. I'm so glad we got to do this in person.

[Masathi]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Today the energy was so much different than it would have been on Zoom. I'm so, so. I appreciate you and everything you do in Awaken the Planet, my friend.

[Masathi]

Thank you so much. Thank you. You as well, my friend.

[Next Level Soul Host]

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[Masathi]

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[Next Level Soul Host]

Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

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[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

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[Masathi]

Say hi, Dan.

[Dan Morgan]

Hey, how's it going today?

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

[Dan Morgan]

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion. 120 billion is an insane number.

[Dan Morgan]

Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

[Dan Morgan]

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's £529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 247 365.

[Masathi]

Wow.

[Dan Morgan Interviewer]

Dan Morgan from Morgan and Morgan, America's largest injury law firm. Thanks for coming by the show.

[Dan Morgan]

Thanks for having me. Visit forthepeople.com for an office near you.

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[Masathi]

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