The Lost Years of Jesus: Egypt, India, and Tibet with John Davis

Summary

Podcast Summary: Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode Title: The Lost Years of Jesus: Egypt, India, and Tibet with John Davis
Release Date: April 6, 2026
Guest: John Davis

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Episode Overview

In this deeply engaging episode, Alex Ferrari and returning guest John Davis delve into the mysteries surrounding the so-called “lost years” of Jesus—exploring connections to Egypt, India, and Tibet. Through lively conversation, they address major spiritual themes: hidden histories, alternate perspectives on Jesus’ life and teachings, the reality of reincarnation, the role of religious institutions in shaping dogma, and the universal search for spiritual truth. With a balance of humor, candid stories, and profound insights, this episode is both accessible and thought-provoking for anyone interested in spirituality, ancient history, and the journey of the soul.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Was Jesus Christ Ever Married?

• John’s Past-Life Regression: John Davis shares that through past life regression, he recalls Jesus referring to his wife as “ishti” (Hebrew/Aramaic for “wife”), confidently stating, “He absolutely was married. In fact, it was absolutely Mary Magdalene.” [04:23]
• Art Inspired by Memory: John is painting a picture of Jesus and Mary Magdalene laughing together, highlighting a more human, joyful aspect of Jesus. He shares a powerful anecdote of someone recognizing the authenticity of his depiction based on his memory on the cross.
  • “She says, ‘Whoever painted that saw him on the cross.’” — John [05:03]

2. Did Jesus Have Children, and What Happened After the Crucifixion?

• No Children During Crucifixion: According to John's regression, Jesus did not have children during his ministry or at the time of the crucifixion [05:40].
• Indian Traditions: John references traditions in India that assert Jesus later had children after returning there, though he admits he has no personal past-life memories beyond Galilee, but “likes to think” Jesus had a happier ending [06:31].
  • “In India, there’s a tradition that he came back...and raised his children there. I personally like to think that’s the truth, because I’d like to think the man got a happy ending.” — John [06:31]

3. The Lost Years: Jesus in Egypt, India, and Tibet

• Host’s Research: Alex shares documentary evidence and stories about Jesus traveling eastward post-resurrection, coming across sites in India and possibly Pakistan where Mary is believed to be buried [08:00].
• John’s Perspective: John’s regression picks up only at the point of Jesus’ return, convinced he had been “studying elsewhere” and returned to Galilee with “knowledge we didn’t necessarily have.” John strongly believes Jesus studied in India, and possibly Tibet—a connection supported by Indian and Tibetan guru traditions of “miraculous” abilities [09:36, 10:32].
• Miraculous Abilities Paralleled in Eastern Traditions:
  • Manifestation, consciousness projection, and “light body” concepts in Indian traditions may explain resurrection stories.
  • John recounts anecdotes about yogis performing “miraculous” acts and discusses the scientific curiosity of the Shroud of Turin, suggesting bright light and energy transformation might explain the resurrection [13:07].

4. “Hell” and Manipulation of Doctrine

• Origins of the Concept of Hell:
  • Alex questions the biblical origins of Hell, distinguishing Dante’s “Inferno” as the cultural source for much of the modern imagery (“all that stuff is Dante. That has nothing to do with anything else.” — Alex [14:55]).
  • John traces the word “hell” to “Gehenna” (a perpetually burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem) and “Hades.” He reinforces that Hell as eternal torment is not present in original Jewish sources, but was a later—often political—addition (“It really is...from the history of the time, it really comes from Gehenna and from Hades.” — John [16:32]).
• Textual Manipulation:
  • Most canonical Christian texts are oral accounts or written with political agendas, often 50-100 years after the events.
  • The “fear-based” control element of Hell and other Church doctrines are discussed, notably how last rites were used to extract wealth from believers (“Promoting hell is a real great way to keep people in line.” — John [19:14]).

5. Evolution of Christianity: Rome, Constantine, and the Papacy

• Formation of the Catholic Church:
  • Alex and John track the obvious connection between the Roman Empire and Roman Catholicism—Rome’s wealth and power were essentially transferred to the Church after the fall of the Empire [20:07].
  • The importance of Peter for Rome and how he was written into the biblical narrative is examined. Constantine’s “conversion” is relayed through various historical accounts, most of which are contradictory or suspect [25:20].
  • “The earliest text we have is from Paul, who never met Jeshua in life.” — John [16:31]

6. Knights Templar, The Grail, and Secret Knowledge

• True Nature of the Templars:
  • John reveals his own Templar lineage and discusses the order’s rise and suppression (origin of Friday the 13th superstition) [27:09].
  • The Templars’ alleged secret knowledge and treasures, Dan Brown’s fiction, and the blending of legend and real (often debunked) historical claims are discussed.
  • The true value, John suggests, is not in conspiratorial secrets but in the deeper realization of our own divinity.
    • “The story of Jeshua is much more beautiful...he was a man who found his divinity and was showing us ours.” — John [29:35]

7. Corruption and Conservatism of Modern Religious Institutions

• Vatican Wealth and Hypocrisy:
  • Alex reflects on his awe and disappointment in Vatican opulence, and the mismatch with Jesus’ teachings [29:35-30:49].
  • The persistent subjugation of women and outdated customs are highlighted by examples from recent visits.
  • The Catholic Church’s conservative, even regressive, positions are critiqued, including its handling of women and late acceptance of scientific facts (e.g., Galileo) [31:04].

8. Alternative Views on Jesus: Mystics, Yogis, & Universal Teachings

• Jesus as an Ascended Yogi:

  • Both speakers explore the idea that Jesus was a “grand yogi” or ascended master, whose supposed miracles align with phenomena reported in advanced yogic and mystical traditions [35:33, 37:03].
  • John recounts his own kundalini awakening, emphasizing that such experiences are universal and not confined to one tradition or “technique” [38:08-40:10].
  • “He kept saying all these very empowering things...‘Greater works than I’ve done you will do’.” — John [37:55]

• Transcending Dogma & Seeking Direct Experience:

  • The conversation highlights the limitations of scriptural authority, advocating personal experience, inner knowing, and direct spiritual practice over rote belief [42:11].
  • “When you transcend the technique, you just be.” — Alex [42:03]

9. Reincarnation and the Personal Journey of the Soul

• Biblical Evidence for Reincarnation:

  • John references direct passages (“Elijah has come already...referring to John the Baptist”) as evidence Jesus knew of and referenced reincarnation [48:00].
  • He shares his skepticism and eventual acceptance of his own past-life memories through powerful regression experience, but remains humble: “It would be completely hypocritical of me to say they’re wrong...I don’t think we fully understand what reincarnation is.” — John [49:30]
  • The idea of reincarnation as a more just, congruent system than “one life only” is discussed [50:09].

• Free Will, Soul Planning, and Life Purpose:

  • The hosts debate whether we choose our life experiences before birth, with soul-”mile markers” providing points of destiny, but allowing free will in how we reach them [55:09–60:00].
  • “I think we choose a potential life to play with...but we always have choice.” — John [58:43]

10. Lessons from Death, Dying, and Spiritual Agency

• Choosing Your Time:
  • Touching stories of loved ones seemingly choosing their time of departure, preparing for death, and the power of belief in the dying process.
  • Yet, both agree, “We don’t have the answer because we’re here.” — John [65:02]

11. Universal Truths, Multiple Perspectives, and Spiritual Potency

• The Puzzle of Spirituality:
  • Both Alex and John stress the value of not getting stuck in one tradition, that “All of them had a piece of the puzzle and they all saw the elephant from different points of view...trying to see the entire elephant.” — Alex [67:16]
• Encouraging Open-Minded Exploration:
  • John praises Alex’s show for inviting a diversity of guests, emphasizing that no single tradition has a monopoly on the truth [69:08–71:01].
  • “God is too big and beautiful to be encompassed in one religion, God, universe, consciousness, yada, the bigger picture, you know, whatever you want to call it.” — John [69:08]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “He absolutely was married. It was absolutely Mary Magdalene.” — John [04:23]
• “I have also heard from multiple sources that Jesus did die on the cross, did get resurrected, but...he went to India.” — Alex [06:54]
• “I don’t have memories of time when he was in India because John wouldn’t have had those memories. But I believe he was studying elsewhere.” — John [09:34]
• “Promoting hell is a real great way to keep people in line.” — John [19:14]
• “After the fall of Rome, all the wealth...just rolled right into the Vatican.” — Alex [20:07]
• “The story of Jeshua is much more beautiful and much...better than lights in the skies—you know, he was a man who found his divinity and was showing us ours.” — John [29:35]
• “All disciplines expand and grow...what I think all of the big avatars do is...they strip it all away and just come back to their oneness.” — John [41:15]
• “You have the choice to sway off the road that you’ve pre-determined...when you go off that road far enough, things just keep getting...difficult.” — Alex [58:57]
• “God is too big and beautiful to be encompassed in one religion.” — John [69:08]
• “All empirical evidence is found in the illusion of belief. Science itself is a dogma.” — John [71:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:23] — Was Jesus married? “He absolutely was married...it was Mary Magdalene.”
• [06:31] — Did Jesus have children? Traditions about India.
• [09:36] — Jesus’ lost years; studies in India/Tibet/Egypt.
• [13:07] — Miracles, resurrection, yogic abilities, Shroud of Turin.
• [16:27] — The concept of Hell, “Gehenna,” manipulation by Church.
• [20:07] — Rome, Constantine, and foundation of the Papacy.
• [27:09] — Knights Templar history and conspiracy in the modern era.
• [35:33], [37:03] — Jesus as a yogi and ascended master.
• [48:00] — Reincarnation in the Bible and spiritual traditions.
• [55:09] — Soul plans, free will, and the mystery of destiny.
• [69:08] — Value of a holistic, open-minded spiritual quest.
• [71:54] — “Science itself is a dogma”—noetic science and belief.

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Final Thoughts

This episode invites listeners to approach the mysteries of Jesus’ life, spirituality, history, and personal growth with an open heart and open mind. Both Alex and John challenge dogma, celebrate universal truths, and offer encouragement to pursue individual spiritual journeys—no matter where they may begin.

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Resources & Further Information:

• John Davis: johnofnew.com, YouTube (“John of New”, “Recovering Catholic”)
• Noetic Science (recommended by John): Look up the Institute of Noetic Sciences

Listen to or watch this full episode at: nextlevelsoul.tv

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Transcript

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[John of New]

Well, I. Yeah, yeah, if Alex calls, I come. It's just what I do. I actually am so grateful to be back here. Alex. I love hanging out with you. I, I think you and I have such a great, lively conversations that really kind of awaken people's to their own, their own divinity within.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, ab. Absolutely, my friend, absolutely. And you know, these, these, this conversation is going to be a little bit more loose than we normally have, though. We have fairly loose conversations on this, you and I. Absolutely we do, yes, fairly loose conversations. But this is kind of a little behind the scenes of, you know, just us kind of just shooting the, the stuff, as they say, and, and answering some Q and A questions from the audience. So my first question to you is from the audience. This is an audience question. And sometimes I'll throw a couple of mine because I'm going to ask some questions and this one's about Jesus. Was Jesus Christ ever married?

[John of New]

He absolutely was married. In fact, one of my past life regressions, he kept referring to his wife as ishti, which is the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic, or both for wife. It was absolutely Mary Magdalene. And I'm actually in the process right now painting a picture of the two of them together laughing. So we finally have a laughing Jesus picture.

[Alex Ferrari]

What. What do you mean? Because he always looks so dour in all.

[John of New]

Look at that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Listen, that's as far as Jesus pictures are concerned. That is as happy as I see him, generally speaking. So, you know, at least he's not in pain.

[John of New]

At least that, you know that, that painting, I painted that three months after my regression. So this was like straight from memory. And about two months later, I was at a holistic festival and a woman walks by and she stops and she sees the painting. She says, whoever, whoever painted that saw him on the cross.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow.

[John of New]

She says, she says it's in the eyes. Whoever's painted that saw him on the cross, and I was. And she had no idea it was me. And then I was standing there, and then my past life memory was looking up at him on a cross. So. So, yeah. Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

So he was. He was married now. Did he ever have any kids?

[John of New]

That's the question that I get very frequently. And I. During the time that in my regression, he did not have children. And after the crucifixion, he came. Mary Magdalene came back to Galilee with John, and so did Jeshua's mother came back with him to Galilee basically to get him away from Jerusalem so they'd be safe. And then she was not pregnant at the time. And eventually her family came from Magdala and took her back to their hometown. But I personally don't have any memories past that. But in India, there's a tradition that he came back to India afterwards, after the crucifixion and raised his children there. And I personally like to think that that's the truth, because I'd like to think the man got a happy ending.

[Alex Ferrari]

Very Shawshank Redemption. He's on a beach somewhere at the end.

[John of New]

As long as Morgan Freeman's there, everything is perfect.

[Alex Ferrari]

Morgan was obviously narrating the entire episode.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

As that was going on.

[John of New]

And he went back to India where

[Alex Ferrari]

there were penguins for some reason. Sorry, that was a throwback to March of the Penguins. I'm sorry.

[John of New]

Oh, absolutely. That was. Oh, my God. I can. There's a history with me and my son with that movie.

[Alex Ferrari]

Anyway, anyway, so. But what's really interesting about what you said there is because I have also heard from multiple sources that Jesus did die on the cross, did get resurrected, but he. He didn't. He came back, not just as a ghost for three days, but he came back, came back and just left and went to. And went to. Went to India is what I heard. And I heard somewhere along one of my.

[John of New]

Go ahead. Okay. Now, one of my memories was after the crucifixion, seeing him again. I actually. There's a. It was the first. It was the first memory I had, which actually came before my regression. I fell in my face in front of him, and I look up at him. He's laughing at me because I fell on my face. And that was after the crucifixion back in Galilee. And that's actually the last memory I have of him is on that beach in Galilee after the crucifixion. So I know he came back. I just don't know what he did after that because I have no other memories of that afterwards.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wow. So what I heard from a filmmaker who wrote a whole. Did a whole movie on Jesus in India is that he came back after the resurrection, went towards. Went toward India. Halfway through, Mary died, and she's buried. This is. This is. This is not only there's. He actually went with a camera and snuck in and took videos of this film. Yeah, it's in this little. I don't know if it's a country or a territory that is always being fought over by India and Pakistan. So some years, Pakistan controls it. Sometime India controls it. So when he was there, I think Pakistan was controlling it. And there's police all around, and there was this burial area where there's, like, buildings and other things and a big antenna, but they don't touch this thing. This area. Like they. It's kind of like they built around it. And the lore of the day is that's where Mary is buried. They buried her along the path back to India. So. And he actually snuck in, filmed it, which he's not supposed to do. He almost. I mean, he barely got out with Skinners, but he's. There's film of it. So those are. Those are the kind of stories I heard about India and. And Jesus afterwards. But even more so the time period between year 13 and year 30. 30. I think it is when he came back on the donkey, as they say that time. What do you know of that time? Did he go to Egypt to the mystery schools? Did he go to Tibet? Did he go to India?

[John of New]

You're talk time. He was a child till he came back.

[Alex Ferrari]

13. 13 to 30. Yes.

[John of New]

Okay. So this is where I am also kind of lost because my past life regression was the day that John met him. Right. And I truly believe he was coming back from India at the time. So I don't. I don't have memories of time when he was in India because John wouldn't have had those memories.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[John of New]

But. So for me, I don't have that. But I believe that he was studying elsewhere, and I believe he was coming back from somewhere with. With the knowledge that we didn't necessarily have there. We were in. In. In our area. We were all, you know, Jews, and we were all following the Hebrew Bible, you know, the Torah, you know, we call it the Hebrew Bible now, but the, you know, the Torah and all that.

[Alex Ferrari]

The Old Testament. The Old Testament. Ish.

[John of New]

Old Testament. Ish. Old Testament. Not light, but heavy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah, very heavy. Very he.

[John of New]

And so I believe I absolutely 100% believe he was in India. And I believe that. And I actually, I believe that's a huge part of the resurrection story, because you can go to India and you can talk to gurus over there who will talk about, like, coming to a river and projecting their consciousness to the other side, manifesting their body, and keep walking. And I had a friend of mine who was years ago, was a professional. I have weird friends because I did Renaissance festivals. He was a professional sword swallower, obviously, but he was a practicing Hindu behind the stage. He had a whole temple to his guru and all this stuff. And he swears that he took a friend of his to India to meet his guru, and the guy was just not interested in spirituality at all, was bored the whole time he was there. And halfway through the trip, the guru walks up to him and says, why? What's going on? He says, I wish I had my guitar. At least I could play. He was just kind of annoyed about being there. And he goes, where's your guitar? He says, it's in San Francisco. And my friend swears to God. About an hour and a half later, he handed him his guitar.

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And now Back to the show, he

[John of New]

says he literally went to San Francisco, got a guitar and brought it back. And now I look at this, I look at this world from the oneness, from the non duality perspective. I think that we're all in an illusion of belief and I think that we can project ourselves into it from wherever we are. We know scientifically that when someone dies, there's anywhere between 10 times to a thousand times the radiation emits from the body at the moment of death. Now you look at the shroud of Torah and whether you believe it's real or not, what creates a negative on fabric, a bright light. So if, if he was able to create that sort of bright light and change his body into energy form and come back, you know, is it possible? Sure it is. Have I done it? Not yet.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's like everyone says, you know, everyone wants to go to heaven, but just not right now.

[John of New]

Right. Well, there's a lot, a lot I talk to that want to go to heaven right now.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. But most people, people generally don't want to.

[John of New]

Most people don't correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

So very. One thing I, I discovered in my research about, I was talking to a, an archaeologist researcher and we were going deep into the, the Bible and the concept of hell. And I go, where did hell come from? Because I know Dante, Dante really did a number on all of us when he wrote those books, because all of us, all of us, Dante's book is essentially what is hell? I mean, if you look at anywhere that is the, the pitchforks and the eternal, that's all Dante. That has nothing to do with anything else.

[John of New]

Nine levels and all that, all that,

[Alex Ferrari]

all that lake of fire, all that stuff is Dante.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I found out that in the Torah there is no Hell. Hell,

[John of New]

where the place where the dead people go. But it's not torment, it's not torture.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. They just kind of like it. From what I understood, like if you're good, you go to heaven. If you're, if you're not so good, you just kind of, and you kind of go away, you dissipate into this place and that's the end of it. It's not much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But what I heard was, and maybe you have some insight on this, is that where the Bible, the, the, the Council of Nicaea got the idea for hell, to incorporate it obviously for control factor of, you know, if you don't do this, you have to, you know, you get some sort of consequence to control the population.

[John of New]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

But from what I, but what I heard was that Jesus, when he was preaching, he would talk about this junkyard or this place where the garbage would go and it was always on fire. And he goes. He would say in his, in his, in his. In his lectures, if you will, or in his. In sermons, he would say that your greed would live there forever or your. It was. He was using it as an analogy, not as a physical place. And it was literally, oh, look, the garbage dump is on fire all the time. You got to get yourself right, because if not, you're. That part of you is going to live in that thing forever. They took that and created this concept of hell in the, in the new test. Is it new or in the Bible as it is now? What do you know about that, sir?

[John of New]

So in the ancient times, the word that became hell was Gehenna or Hades.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's it.

[John of New]

Hades was the Greek version, Gehenna. Now what's interesting about Gehenna was the valley of Gehenna was an area where an old Jewish warlord took a bunch of children and killed them and killed them in very torturous ways. And then later on, the valley of Gehenna became the trash dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem. And so it became this torturous place that now has fire burning all the time. And then they'd say, you know, if you're bad, you're going to go burning Gehenna. Right. You know those sort of ideas. Right. So we're going to trash you. So it really is. Yeah, from the history of the time, it really comes from Gehenna and from Hades. And Hades being the Greek version. Right. Gotta remember, our earliest texts of the Bible were written in Greek, not Aramaic, not Hebrew. They're written in Greek. The first books, Matthew, Mark and Luke all come from about 100 years after the crucifixion. And the earliest text we have is from Paul, who never met Jeshua in life. And his first letter comes from about 50 years after the crucifixion. So all of the texts we're reading are all from oral tradition and hearsay that somebody wrote down. And then most of them wrote them down with a personal agenda. And when you have this real.

[Alex Ferrari]

Come on.

[John of New]

No, can you imagine? You imagine?

[Alex Ferrari]

It's never, never throughout history has hearsay being written down hundreds of years later ever fail us.

[John of New]

Right, Right. You look at the. Well, you look at the Old Testament, you know, this, this army wiped out that army. So God must been with him. Right. You know, it's like. Right. You know, they say it's the. The. By the Written by the victors. By the, you know, the history is written by the victors. So the thing is, is that with hell, once Dante wrote his Inferno, the medieval order started making it their belief, their truth. And it became very much a control feature.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[John of New]

Especially in the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church used to use hell as a means of gaining power, not only over the people, but financially. You got to remember the first bank, the first banking system came from the Templar Knights. They were the ones who were, you can give me your money here in Jerusalem and you can go to my Templar Knight friend in England and he, you can withdraw your money from him. So, you know, so they had this. All, all the financial stuff was coming out of medieval Europe, which is also fascinating because medieval Europe started creating all these stories like Mary Magdalene came to France and all these other stories to make themselves part of the story.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because I mean, they wrote themselves into the movie, if you will.

[John of New]

Right, exactly. And it's the same thing with, with Hell. You know, the original stories were this meh, this shield. Right. And then as time went on, promoting more fear becomes very popular. It's like the Rapture. You know, the Rapture is not biblical, but in 1830 when that, when that was written by Minister Darby, all the, all the evangelicals were like, wow, that's a great fear based thing to use. Let's use that. And they started putting out all of these left behind series and all these things. But it's that agenda idea again. And it's the same thing with Hell. Promoting hell is a real great way to keep people in line. And in, in medieval Europe, the last rites, that the Catholic mass rights, last rites was designed specifically to get the person to leave their wealth to the church at the end of their life.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, isn't it, this is something I heard again because when I was at the Vatican it was the first time I ever came to the conclusion that like Roman Catholic Church, oh, oh my God, the Romans did this. I never put two, two together in my entire life. Never really connected the Romans with the Roman Catholic Church. Why? I have no idea. But a lot, apparently after I said that in an episode, a lot of comments said, oh my God, that I didn't think of that either. It's. I understand that basically the fall of Rome and all the wealth that Rome had that just rolled right into the Vatican, that just rolled into the Roman Catholic Church. Is that a fair statement?

[John of New]

It's a very fair statement. It's actually a really interesting statement because if you go to the Gnostic Texts, they say to Jeshua, who do we go to when you're gone? And they say, he says, james, my brother James. He does not say Peter, but Peter was the apostle who went to Rome. And so for Rome to become the seat of Christianity, Peter had to be the first pope. And so Peter became the important one. Then you go back and dive into other Gnostic texts and you start finding something really interesting because you start to see Peter just being infused in other stories, not having a real part to the story. But Peter is kind of like. And Peter was there with him behind the rock, doing that thing. And they started infusing Peter into the story so that Peter would have a place in importance in the story. And so there's a lot of propaganda about pushing Peter to the forefront. And it's like, you know, the Catholic Church is fascinating because it comes down to Constantine, right? And Constantine's mother was the one who. Who said where all the sites were. She literally went around, said the search of The Holy Sepulchers versus happened, you know, 300 years after the fact. And she. She. She's the one who said Mount Sinai is Mount Sinai. She's the one who did all this stuff. But what. And she also is one of the first saints. Saint Helena of Constantinople is his mother. But the thing that's interesting about Constantine to me is that his conversion happened supposedly by seeing a giant flaming cross in the sky and the letter PX all over the place. And so he had this, and supposedly his army saw it and all this stuff. Well, when you dive into the history of that story, it's really interesting. There's three accountings of Constantine's vision. The first accounting comes at the oldest accounting. Constantine, on his way to Rome to defeat this other general, stopped at the temple of Apollo, and Apollo appeared to him and told him that Constantine was Apollo on Earth. Didn't even have anything to do with God or Jesus. Right, of course. Second one says that on the way marching to Rome, Constantine camped out. And while he was sleeping, he had a dream and he saw the letter px. So he had PX written on all his soldier shields.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show,

[John of New]

right? Saying that would be the thing that would make them win. Thirty years later, some guy writes this book about the history of Christianity to this point, and suddenly his entire army sees a flaming cross in the sky in px and everybody dropped on their knees and God was with them. And that was the big conversion of Constantine. So Constantine. I've seen writings and articles saying that Constantine didn't get baptized until his deathbed, right? So he basically wanted to live the life of a pagan and then go to a Christian hell, you know, toga, Toga, Toga. Then go, you know, so it was like, so, so he was having this, a grand old life. He was just doing it for the power and the glory. You know, he saw the way the things were moving and he said it's time to shift everything over to Christianity.

[Alex Ferrari]

He was a politician, essentially.

[John of New]

He was a politician.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's a politician, essentially. You said something interesting about the Knights Templar, who is something that I'm starting to get into a little bit more. I'm digging a little bit more into that. I find them. I mean, I've known about them and the Freemasons and, and those kind of people, but the Knights Templar specifically are really fascinated in connection with the Grail legend and also with the Ark legend and what they've done in that cross that they wore. I forgot the name of that cross, but the cross they wore that, the, the X. But it's. It looks like a cross. The red one.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That they wore on their shields and they wore on themselves and which actually.

[John of New]

The Maltese cross.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Which, which actually comes from the Anunnaki and Sumerian text. So it's, you know, you start going deeper into that stuff. But what do you know about the connection from the Knights Templar and what they were really doing with, I mean, if you, if you go down to Dan Brown Road, which, you know, with Mary Magdalene and, and all that stuff, but they, it seems like they've been hiding or at least protecting information and knowledge for a long time. At least that's what it sounds like. I love to hear you.

[John of New]

Yeah, that's what I, I don't have a lot of information. It's interesting you asked me about this question because I recently did my ancestry and I come from the Rose Line. My family goes back to Rose Castle in Scotland. And so I actually have temper Templar lineage in my family, which I'm not a Templar and I'm not a Mason either. But I just find it interesting that I trace back to that. When I look at the Templars, I find them, I find them as an amazing order that was getting too powerful. Personally, it's just like any other Christian or any other religious belief. And what happened was, you know, Friday the 13th is because of the Templars, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, it's because they killed a bunch of people.

[John of New]

Yeah. What happened was the King of France owed the Templars a lot of money and the king said, well, let's just wipe them all out so I don't have to pay them. And he chose the 13th. Friday the 13th. And that's why we still have the tradition of Friday the 13th being an unlucky day or whatever, because they literally went through and wiped them all out, which is why they all were fleeing and hiding. This TV show I like to watch called Oak island, the Curse of Oak Island. How don't you watch that at all? They're fighting all kinds of, really up in Nova Scotia. They're finding this island has had this mystery going on for years and the Templar Knights supposedly were there and they're finding all this Templar stuff in Nova Scotia and there's this, this pit where all this stuff has been buried for years and nobody's been trying to get to it for 200 years. Including a lot of high ranking Masons have been trying to get to it, including Franklin Roosevelt, he tried to get to it too. It's called the Curse of Oak Island's television show on Discovery. But it's, it's fascinating. The story's been going on forever, but as far as the templ are concerned, you know, they were a militant Order that was based in that very highly Christian thing. You know, you said Dan Brown. Dan Brown's interesting. He comes from the blood. His whole book idea comes from the blood and the Grail, which is a book that was written a long time ago, but that book was written from a guy who was trying to prove that he was the ancestor of Joshua. And so he and his buddy had created these documents that look like ancient documents and actually put them in libraries in France. Well, it was, it was very quickly debunked because they went to their friend's house and found his friend making the documents. Right. So it was a total fraud case. He was literally trying to prove that they came to. To France so that he could be the. The descendant of Jesus, you know, so. And then they wrote the book from there. So it's all this misinformation that's out there that. That's really kind of. It's kind of sad because, you know, people tell these stories and all these frauds happen, but the story of Joshua is much more beautiful and much. And everyone likes to say, you know, the Messiah, and he was a man who found his divinity and was showing us ours. And. And that was the best part of the whole thing is that's a great. A much better story than some. Than Lights in the Skies, you know.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, I, I'd agree with you 100. I mean, again, I've said this before, but like, I went. When I was sitting around and looking at the Vatican, I'm like, this has nothing to do with Jesus. This is nothing to do with Jesus. This is all about power and greed and pompous. Oh, geez. The walls are literally paved with gold. I mean, you sit there, it's an. You sat in awe. It was the embarrassment of riches. Going into that museum. You're just sitting. There's like, how many things did they steal, for God's sakes? There's so many artifacts that they stole from around the world. And let's not even talk about what's in the vaults of the Vatican. Can you imagine the kind of texts they have?

[John of New]

And their atrocities are not that old because during World War II, a couple.

[Alex Ferrari]

A couple of years ago, apparently, isn't it a couple years ago, then the church do a couple things.

[John of New]

Yeah, well, even During World War II, the Pope supported Hitler.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, of course.

[John of New]

And so. So did several of the cardinals. Right. It's like. And. And they're. They're a little bit behind the times. You know, in 1986 was a great year. Ferris Bueller's day off came on. Obviously big trouble in little China came out.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was also the year no workings.

[John of New]

No, no, that was earlier. Yeah, but that's also the year that the Catholic Church forgave Galileo for the earth not being flat. I think they're a little behind the times.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean they, the damage that that organization has done is, is mind boggling. The amount of it's mind boggling. And yeah, they do good. Of course they do help the poor and stuff like that. But it's overall like when I was in. When I. You want to talk about behind the times, My wife couldn't walk into certain churches without covering her shoulders. They were handing out paper shawls. Paper, paper shawls. So when you walk in, the shoulders weren't. It was 110 by the way. And in the middle of June or July when we went. And she couldn't walk in. Oh and also she had shorts on. She had to cover up the legs and put. Make this kind of like paper dress to walk in. And I'm like, how this is so barbaric. I can't believe this is still a thing.

[John of New]

It's very Saint Paul. It's very Saint Paul. Saint Paul who never met Jesus in life, you know. And I say when you see me interchange Jesus and Joshua, when I'm thinking religion, I think Jesus. When I think Joshua, I think the guy I knew. Right. So you'll hear me interchange it like that. He was a Pharisee and you read his stuff and everything he wrote was Pharisaical teachings, you know, the subjugation of women. Women weren't allowed to pray in the same building, all kinds of things. But he also believed that the second coming was happening in his lifetime and that he thought that everybody should be celibate. And so, I mean, so he had this just.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's a little off. A little off.

[John of New]

A little messed up, messed up guy.

[Alex Ferrari]

A little intense as they say. As the kids say, a little intense. Yeah, it's. It's fascinating. The more I dig into Joshua and his teachings and find out about the Gnostics and the Rubik Robicus and Crucians, the Rubicution.

[John of New]

Rosicrucians.

[Alex Ferrari]

Rosicrucians. I just kind of discovered who they were going into my research, like what is happening here and, and, and going down these different roads of alternative history, which is not made up history, just different points of view from.

[John of New]

In a large part of it. Made up history. A large part of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, well, history in general is made up in a lot of A lot of it is made up without question, but also going into areas where there the people that you listen to about Joshua had no, had no bone to pick, had no dog in the fight. India for, for instance, you start going down the, down those roads and Jesus or Jesuit is renowned in India. Like, he's up there with the greatest yogis of all time. And they thought, oh, he was a

[John of New]

great yogi and in Islam as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, exactly. Exactly. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time. And one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. So my, my question to you, and I don't know if we've ever spoken about this, but I always consider Joshua a yogi. He is a grand yogi in the sense of what he was doing because the more of these stories you hear about the miracles he performed, I'm like, well, they, they all sound very yogic in nature. You know, again, walking across water, manifestation of, you know, turning water into wine, all this kind of stuff. This is high end enlightened Yogi, Ascended Master101. What is your understanding of his abilities and why he used? I mean, I can imagine. Look, if he did something, if someone showed up today and did what, what Joshua did back then, same stuff. First of all, everyone would think it's visual effects. It's obviously foolery. It doesn't make any sense because we have a little bit more educated eye. But it would be very difficult to prove even in person, because there's so many magicians doing crazy stuff. But back then, it literally must have been, you're a God, because you're. Oh, absolutely, you are an absolute God. I will follow you to the ends of the earth. Because humanity's consciousness was so low when Joshua showed up, which is job to try to lift everybody up. What are your. What is your take about the yogic hours specifically, and him being a yogi?

[John of New]

It's a very interesting thing. I think he's. I think he did a lot of studies in India, but I also think eventually every. Every ascended avatar that's been out there, Buddha, Krishna, all of them. I think eventually what happens is they. They, you know, they surpass their. Their methodology and their technique. Right? Yes. And what. What Joshua kept saying was, greater works than I've done. You will do. It's your faith that heals you. You can ask a mountain to move, it'll move. Nothing's impossible for you. Whatever you're asking. God's name is granted if you have faith. Kept saying all these very empowering things, and I want to share a story. My first big real spiritual quote, unquote light show experience was defined to me as a kundalini rising. I may have told this in one of the interviews I did where I was lying in a tent freezing my butt off, and I started.

[Alex Ferrari]

I do a lot of interviews. I don't remember.

[John of New]

I'm sure, I'm sure I don't expect you to know. I try to remember all of them, but I just don't want to repeat for your audience. Alex, I know you don't care. Please, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

[Alex Ferrari]

Please, please, please. Tell the story real quick.

[John of New]

Yeah, so I was. I was in a tent in New Orleans freezing my butt off at a medieval fair. And the week before I went, I saw this thing on 60 Minutes and said that these Buddhist monks went into a freezer and they put wet towels on them and they heated their bodies up in the freezer. When they came out, they were 98.6 and the towels were 120. Right. And so I'm lying in this tent freezing. I was not in the spirituality hardly at all. I had already become an agnostic at that point. And I'm like, well, if they can do it, so can I. And I started focusing on my feet and getting warm, and my feet got warm. And I slowly started saying, okay, I'm bringing it up my shins and bring it up to my knees. And I slowly brought this heat up my body. I could feel it happening. It was amazing. Came all the way to my chest. It wouldn't go any higher. And then I'm like trying to try to force it to get right. And I hear this thought come into my head that says, relax into it. And I exhale. And I went full out into this pure white expanse, feeling one with everything, feeling pure love, energy, no fear, no anxiety, just a full connection to everything. It was incredible. So next day, I'm talking to the guy that I do a comedy show with back then. And I was trying. I said, you know, I've never had anything like this happen before, you know. And I explained to him what happened. He says, oh, my God, you had a kundalini rising. Because I've been trying to have one of those for years now. Here's the. Here's the difference. For years he had been practicing tm, trying to use the technique to have a kundalini rising. For me, I just said, I am warming my body up. I was present moment. I was fearless, and I was not using any technique at all. And I think that Jeshua, Buddha, Krishna, I think all of them surpassed. You know, the word mastery is a fascinating thing because it's a misnomer because of the fact that mastery implies that you've learned everything in one discipline and you're the best at it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right?

[John of New]

But all disciplines expand and grow. And so unless you become a full master, and then you start to experiment and improvise and start doing more stuff, then you're no longer the master because somebody's going to come up and learn everything, you know, and then they're going to experiment and they're going to add more to the, to the. To the technique. Right. What I found for me personally, I don't know if you're a numbers guy. Alex is 444 right now. So I just wanted to throw that in there. I. What I think all of the big avatars do is they. Is they come to a place of doing all this study, learning all this stuff, but then they strip it all away and just come back to their oneness, their non duality and realizing that their beliefs are creative. You know, what you think you become, you create your world as a man think, and so is he. And I think that they, they actually surpass it, but yeah. Did they learn it? Sure do. I think he learned it in India. Absolutely do. I think he probably went to high levels. Absolutely do. I think he eventually got to the point where he said, look, it's. It's much simpler than it has to be. I don't. You don't have to go through all of this stuff to get there.

[Alex Ferrari]

And, and that's what the yogis all say. I mean, at a certain point, at a certain point, they transcend the technique, they transcend what they've been taught. It is the starting point. Kind of how like even great martial artists, at a certain point, it's just like Mr. Miyagi says, don't think.

[John of New]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Just be. And you start to wax on, wax off without even thinking.

[John of New]

You'll go blind. I'm sorry. Sorry I had to go there. Mom's Catholic.

[Alex Ferrari]

They just threw it up there. And you. You're just going to knock it out anyway, so I lost my train of thought. What was I saying? Oh, yes, being. We're talking deep spiritual concepts here, sir.

[John of New]

I'm sorry. What was I thinking?

[Alex Ferrari]

No, so when you transcend the technique, you just be. You go beyond it because you go to the pure connection of it.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You do need. It's kind of like you. Unless you're a. A savant, you need to read to learn about things. Right. But at a certain point, reading books is. You're reading other people's perception and, and bias about the topic that you're learning about. But when you transcend that, life is experiential. Correct. So you're. You're reading those people's opinions of it and how things are. But when you go past that and start to tap into the universal knowledge that you find within your meditations, within your own ability, like you said, I am, then that information is unwaverable. You can't. You can argue the Bible or any religious text to the day you die. You can argue it, you could point, poke holes in it, but when you understand it at a. At a universal level, it's un. You can't move. No one told Yeshua. What, what is this God thing? What are you talking about? I could do what you do. You're a God. I'm a shepherd. What are you talking about?

[John of New]

And you know what his response was? Ye are gods.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right. Which. Which, by the way, is heresy.

[John of New]

Yep.

[Alex Ferrari]

Which is heresy by the church that apparently he founded, which he did not. It's, it's, it is such. The deeper you go down that road, as far as looking into these religious texts, these stories. You start to see the contradictions. You start.

[John of New]

You want to see the most. The most fascinating channel on YouTube right now, in my opinion is besides mine, of course. Besides yours, of course. Obviously, it was followed closely by mine, right? Followed closely. My mind. Dan McLellen. Dan McLellen. I love watching Dan McClellan. You know who that is?

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't.

[John of New]

Dan is a. More. Is a Bible scholar, and he's. Interestingly enough, he's a Mormon. You. You would love to have him on your show. Very intelligent man. But his whole channel is about debunking Bible myth. And he speaks ancient Aramaic, he speaks ancient Hebrew, he speaks ancient Greek.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've seen him. I've seen him flash by my feed.

[John of New]

He is. He is brilliant because he never lets his Mormonism and his scholarly work cross. It's always about the scholarly work. And to hear him say Genesis 1, Genesis 2, we know they're from two separate texts, and we know they're in the wrong order, right? So. So he, like, he literally goes, this is what all the scholars believe. And he.

[Alex Ferrari]

The.

[John of New]

The. The modern evangelists who are evangelists who are saying, you know, that, you know, it's a sin to be a homosexual and. And quote these Bible path passages. He says, that's not what it says at all. And he goes. And he breaks it down from not only the. The semantic version of the words and the entomology of the words, but he also breaks it down to the social structure of the time. And so it's. I mean, it's. He has. He has verified more stuff of my beliefs than probably anybody else on YouTube just because of the fact that he's bringing me actual data. And that's so clear and fascinating.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's. That's. That's amazing. It really is. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to Someone is enough, and you can show support by sharing the blue square.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. You don't want to miss the annual beauty event. For big savings on all your favorite beauty products. Now through April 28, spend $25 on participating products and save $5. Shop in store or online for items like Billie Women's Razors, Billie Body Buffer or Body Wash Native hand Soap, Neutrogena makeup Remover towelets and Q Tips. And save $5 when you spend $25. Offer ends April 28. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. The concept of reincarnation was Ixnade from the Bible, though it was there originally from what I understand, because it was

[John of New]

still there in little ways. You just have to look for it between the lines.

[Alex Ferrari]

You got to look for it between the lines. But that concept of reincarnation, which has been around and is believed by, I would imagine, the majority of the planet

[John of New]

believe a lot of, a lot of the spiritual traditions. Yeah, absolutely. Even, even ancient Judaism has. Yeah. Has reincarnation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Ancient. And then also I think if you go back into the Sumers and Babylonians and they have concepts of reincarnation as well. What is your take on Jesus's point of view on reincarnation and suffering and why we have to suffer and all of that stuff?

[John of New]

I love that. I love that question. I love. I love that question. First of all, I'm going to pull a Bible quote out. Joshua says to the disciples, who do they say that I am? The disciples say, some say you're Elijah or some other prophet returned. He says, no, I tell you, he has come already and you have shunned him, referring to John the best Baptist. So he literally is saying that Elijah and the prophets can return and be somebody else. He's literally saying that. That Elijah returned and was John the Baptist. So that is a direct correlation of. Of reincarnation, the Bible. I believe he. I believe he taught it. But the thing about reincarnation for me personally is, is, you know, I was never a believer when I was a Catholic. And then when it's heresy. Right. 19 psychics come and tell me that I was. Had this past life and I'm like, no, no, no, I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't want to go to hell. I don't want to go to hell.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I don't want to.

[John of New]

I don't want to be the guy who thinks he's Napoleon either, you know, so, you know, because there's a big stigma to the guy who says he's an apostle reincarnated. But after my regression, there was no way I could, I could deny that I had those memories. They're so visceral. Have you ever heard my regression? It's just, it's gut wrenching. You hear me screaming at the foot of the cross. It's. It's crazy. But I've met multiple people who think they're John. I've met multiple Peters. I've met multiple Paul's. I've met over 30 ladies. Do you think they're Mary Magdalene? Oh, I mean, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I mean, tons.

[John of New]

To me it would be, it would be completely hypocritical of me to say they're wrong, right? That they're, that they're lying or something. Because how could I say that? It's not possible for me to say that. So I don't think we fully understand what reincarnation is. I think that, that maybe we're all just tapping into the oneness of God and we're tapping into these various memories of these oneness of God in the oneness of God. Or maybe there is a singular reincarnation like that. But I think there is something because you wouldn't have found it in so many spiritual traditions if there wasn't something there, some proof of it. Yeah, that's my take on it. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I always said, well, that makes a lot more sense. And you got one life and that's it.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, you, you were born, you were born a dude, a Caucasian descent, in America, man. You won the lottery, brother. Yeah, I mean, you won the. I won the lottery.

[John of New]

Amen. Amen.

[Alex Ferrari]

I, I am a Cuban man, a Latino man born in America, and I could have easily been born in Cuba if it wasn't for that little Fidel dude, you know, So I was not the bigger one. Look, not the bigger one. He's. But, but I was. So I also won the lottery. So I'm like, okay, well then those, the people who were born in Kenya who can't eat or die after a week or two. Is that. That's it. That's the one and done. Like, you know, or I would. I died at birth or six, you know, two days after I was born. Or, you know, there's so many. Or I have a disease for my entire life, or I have a disabled disability for my entire life, or I'm blind. I'm like, is this that's it. That doesn't seem. It just didn't make any sense to me.

[John of New]

Didn't seem fair to me either. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

It doesn't seem fair. And you could say, oh, it's just, you know, it's the way the cards. It's the way the cookie crumbles. You know, I think this is all so divinely perfect. Everything.

[John of New]

Well, and that's what. That's what Einstein said. He says. He said when he got down to the bottom of all of the studies of atoms and everything, he says it was too organized not to. For there to be some other consciousness, greater consciousness involved. He believed in the God of Spinoza, which is a greater consciousness, as opposed to a white guy with a beard on a cloud. Right. So he believed in a greater consciousness. And when you look at it, it is divinely organized. You know, there's so many things that can happen. But it's also, when you look at all the. All the ancient texts, you know, what you think you become, you create your world. There's also the correlation not only of reincarnation and all those things, but there's also this correlation of free will. We all have ability in this life to. You know, so many people will think they're reincarnated into this life because they have to fulfill something from a past life or something in a future life or. And I think probably we on the other side, we probably choose a potential life to play with, and we come down here, we have complete free will to use it as we want. And I think that that's kind of. Although, you know, some things in my life have happened, have been really weird. You want to hear a really weird reincarnation story? So in the Bible, there's this. In the book of John, towards the end, it's Peter points at John and says, what of him? And Joshua says, if. If I'm. He says, I'm talking of you. If I want him to stay until I come. What's that to you? I'm talking to you. And. And in the book, it says from that point on, they thought John would never die. Right? And now I'm reading this going, well, I. Well, I definitely was born, so I obviously died, right? And then I started thinking about the reincarnational cycle, and I started thinking, well, what if. What if for some reason the consciousness of John. John never stayed on the other side and just was like. Would pass and instantly reincarnate, right? So I started looking at this. I'm like, okay, is there all this proof? And I'm like, I don't know, whatever. I just kind of blew it off. Then I started thinking about writing a book about my life and I started. And I started researching a title. The title was I, John I comma John. Found out there was a book in 1980. Something about it was the interpretation of the Book of John. Then I found this vintage book. I, John. I don't know if you can see that or not.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I can see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John of New]

I start reading this book. It's about a guy who lives in. Lived in New Jersey, right across the bay from where I grew up. His name was John. He remembered the past life as John the Beloved Apostle. He eventually moved to Ohio and he died just before I was born. Now. Now I lived in Ohio, in Delaware, right across from New Jersey. I'm now sitting in Ohio. And he was also in the entertainment industry, as was I. So the. The. It's really kind of interesting, right? So I'm looking at them. So is that proof of this? I have no clue, but I just find it really interesting. Edgar Casey in 1938 said, John the Beloved would again be named John. So my question is, is, has John been reincarnating as someone named John over and over again? Am I just one aspect of that John? I asked my mom one time why she named me John. She says, I have no idea. She had no clue why she named me John. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so good, good.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, you said something really interesting in regards to when you reincarnate, that you come down here and you have free will to do whatever you want. My understanding is the same, with a caveat, is that there is a soul plan based on the other side. Like, I'm going to be born to these parents who are going to give me these kind of. This kind of experience. And there's going to be mile markers along my life that have to happen. Now, how you get from these mile markers is completely up to you. But you're going to marry this person. You're going to do. You're going to be in the entertainment business. You know, these are giant things that are what you signed up for. Now how you get there, what you do when you get there, that's all up to you. But you plan these giant. Because there are these mile markers that go throughout your life that you go and go, oh, okay, well, I needed to have that job at the video store because if I didn't have that job in the video store, I would have never had the idea to become a filmmaker in a Time when that was insane equivalent of working Renaissance films or working at a carnival. It literally ran away to the with the circus. So. But that had to happen. If I didn't, if that wouldn't have happened, would I have jumped into the film business or just been a fan? Like, I. I don't know if my grandfather wouldn't have had his house broken into. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me. I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. And. And he, in an insurance claim got a camera and he gave me that camera. If I would have never gotten that video because cameras weren't available really during my time as easily. So these are things. There's like, these are things that. But now I could have made that camera and gone, you know what? I'm gonna make porn. I could have gone down road if I wanted.

[John of New]

You had a choice. You had a choice at every moment.

[Alex Ferrari]

Every, every, every moment. But I decided to do what I'm doing, you know, and, and I like, oh, podcasting. That sounds interesting.

[John of New]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know, there's little things that pop along the path.

[John of New]

Where I think we part company in this idea is I agree that we probably that we choose a potential life. We look at a life, we say, okay, that's the one that I'm going to go down. Because we always have choice.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[John of New]

So we're on the other side. We still have choice. We're choosing which path to go down. I just don't think it's fated or destined that these milestones are going to happen. I think that their potential when we come in, but I think we still, we always have choice.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I agree with you on that. And when I say that these are mile markers, these are mile markers that you put down and you are right, you have the choice to sway off the road that you've predeterred. And from what I understand, when you go off that road far enough, things just keep getting. You're literally going off the paved road. So you're getting onto rocks. And again, so the, the basically life or the universe starts making things so difficult that it eventually pushes you again. Free will. Oh, you want to, you want to keep doing this? This is. You signed up for this. And it will start to slowly either push you back in the way or then. This is when near death experiences happen where someone's gone so far off that they like this guy, this lad. They're not listening. Let's kill them. Bring him up. Okay, listen, man, you're supposed to be doing this. You signed up for this. Do you want to stay or do you want to go back? That kind of thing. So I agree with you. I think we're. We're not too far off.

[John of New]

It could totally be. It could totally be because my. The first out of body. Well, not well, cross crossing over experience I had was a really weird one because it happened in my past life regression when Joshua touched my chest. I crossed over in the regression. The second one I had been. I haven't gotten really good at getting out of body. And then I was doing astral travel and one night I was going, okay, I'm going to astral travel tonight. And I bypassed the physical plane and crossed all the way over. And I'm standing here and this guy's standing there, he's looking at me. He's looking at me like a. Like a child. I mean, it was just like this compassion for this lovely little child in front of him. And he says, you're not supposed to be here yet. And two girls come around and tickled me back into my physical, physical body. Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's amazing.

[John of New]

It was, it was an amazing story. But the concept of you're not supposed to be here yet is an interesting topic because. What do you mean, supposed to?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, because it's not your time you'd like. You signed up for this experience. You're supposed to be in the game right now. You're in the, supposed to be in the simulation. You're not done yet. The ride's not over yet. You're. You have an out point and this is not the outpoint. We all have an expiration date. Yeah, that's part of the, you know, we all have that at a certain point. And that's the one thing we can't choose. We can't choose when we technically when we come in. Unless, I mean if you're on the other end. But you really, while you're here, you can't really choose unless you commit suicide or something along those lines. You really can't choose when you leave. Really. I mean it's, it's very, it's a very interesting. That is the one rule of free. There is no. Because if you had free choice, you're like, ah, maybe I want to live another hundred years. That's free choice, right? But you don't have that.

[John of New]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you a story about my ex wife's grandmother.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fantastic. I'm in.

[John of New]

Her name was Fanime Joseph. She was from Syria and she was 96 years old and lived alone, took care of her house every day. And she had very specific rules. Her rules were to Monday, you know, till 5 o', clock. It's work day. So you don't turn on the television, you do your tour chores all day long. And every morning she would get up, she would make her cup of coffee and she would make her little Syrian bread and she would make a list of her chores for the day. She would pull out her VCR tape because she was still using them and record her her one soap opera so that she could watch it at 5 o' clock when the workday was done. Right. One day I said to her, I said, we called her Graham. I said, graham, what's the secret to long life? She said, if I stop, I'll die, right? If I stop, I'll die, right? The last year of her life, her choice became prepare the house for the kids. Who wants what? Let's make sure all the paperwork's done. And she did everything she had to do. And then she moved out and died.

[Alex Ferrari]

She knew she, she had a feeling that it was time to go.

[John of New]

Yeah, my father, a year before he died, told me I'm not going to make it to next Christmas. And he didn't.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's the thing is too like, like I understand what you're saying, and you're absolutely right. You do sometimes have a choice. You know, when it's coming. I don't know if that's a choice or not, but they know it's coming, and there's an instinct to it. Like, you know, like, I'm. I'm. I gotta. I gotta get my paperwork in order. I gotta get everything done. If there's a. There's an. I know it's coming, but I'm not sure they chose it. Is the question, did Nana choose that time? Did my grandparents choose the time that they left? Left? I shoot. My grandpa was trying to buy a. An apartment to rent it two weeks before he passed. If it was up to him, he'd still be here, you know, And.

[John of New]

And I. I think that. I think that we sometimes pass because of our beliefs about certain things. Like, my mother, she was. She was very old, and she. She. She had broken her back. She's living in Florida alone. And she was like, she doesn't. She did not want to move north. And it got to. We couldn't go down there and be with her because we all had work up here we couldn't leave behind. So it got to the point where we finally had to say, mom, we're gonna have to bring you north. And mom says, I don't. I don't wanna go north. And mom spent the next six months prepping the house, making sure all the stuff was done, getting it all done. And she died the day, like a week or so before she was supposed to come north. So I think that sometimes I don't think I was necessarily chosen that way, but I think that. I think that it was her belief was creating that end.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no. No question. Yeah. I mean, there is. We're getting into some gray area here without question, because you and I, neither of you or I have the answer to this.

[John of New]

Neither one of us has the answer. None of us have the answer because we're here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly the case by case. But the case by case basis on these things, I mean, you listen to the way Yogananda died. Yogananda. Yogananda. For. For. If you're watching this, you probably heard me say that word, Yogananda or Paramahansa. Yogananda, at one point or another. But Yogananda said to his disciple. His. His disciple there at the time, I'm gonna leave you tonight. And they're like, what are you talking about, Guru? And I'm like, no, tonight will be the. I'm leaving. And he got up on stage. He was at this event with a bunch of people. He got up on stage, said his thing, and right before he said his last word, right after he said his last word, he just dropped and it was done. And it was supposedly a heart attack, but he was done. But what's really fascinating about him, among many things, is that he's never. A lot of things were very fascinating about him. He didn't decay. His body looked as fresh as the day he was alive. And he was out of body, out of his soul, had left his body. His body sat there for five days for people to come. Never decayed. Even when he was going into the ground, his skin was still soft to the touch. There was no rigor mortis, none of that. And that's all documented. That only happened, you know, 70 years ago or something like that. So it's. It's. You see, these are the kind of stories you hear. You're just like, wow. Just. Just wow. I mean, John, you and I, I think we devoted our lives to try to figure out this game that we're all in. And, you know, I. I am. I do the show that I do because I really want to try to connect the puzzles. Pieces together from all the puzzle pieces from all walks of life. Not just the one. Not just the Christian puzzle piece or this philosophy or this thing. You know, I'm the same way.

[John of New]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Joshua is one piece of that puzzle. Yogananda is another. Babaji is another. And you can just keep going through all.

[John of New]

Muhammad, Muhammad,

[Alex Ferrari]

Zoroastrian, Zoraster, he's another. Like, there's so many. Confucius, and I mean, we can keep going and going, but all of them had a piece of the puzzle, and they all saw the elephant from different point of view. So they all. I'm trying to see the entire elephant and not just the pieces that.

[John of New]

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. That old. That old problem, I think. I think the only way you do that is to step back and look at it all.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Personal me.

[Julian Edelman]

I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time. And one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the Big Game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the blue square.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[John of New]

And and I think, I think that people get too trapped into one religion and God is too big and beautiful to be encompassed in one religion, God, universe, consciousness, yada, the bigger picture, you know, whatever you want to call it. I think it's all too big and beautiful to be encompassed by any one school of thought or religion. That's why I think I love, I love your channel because what your channel does is you bring people on who don't necessarily agree with you or, but you find truth in all of them because we all have bits and pieces and parts and you bring that truth to the audience for people to say, well, yeah, that's the part that I agree with. I tell people on my channel all the time. I said, all I'm doing on my channel is speaking my truth. And if it rings true to you, great, try it out. If it doesn't work, get rid of it, you know, and, you know, find your own truth. My mom, this beautiful woman behind me over here, she, she said spirituality is a personal journey. And I think we're all on a personal journey. And I think that I can respect anybody's journey unless they're causing fear or harm to somebody else. Then I can't respect that because I think God is love. And I think that you're the same way. And I think that. And I love the fact that your channel does that, though, brings on so many different kinds of thought.

[Alex Ferrari]

I appreciate that because. And I try to do it with an open heart. I never have an agenda, never judge whether I agree with it or don't. I. I always find the seeds in what people say that that work. It's like, oh, that puzzle piece. And I Meant. And I also talk about ancient civilizations and lost history and quantum physics. You know, I had a rocket scientist on the other day. Like, it's these. All these perspectives and little bits of. Because they're all connected. And that's what people don't understand. Everything is connected. Quantum physics.

[John of New]

Have you had a noeticist on yet?

[Alex Ferrari]

I have not.

[John of New]

Someone from noetic science. That is a fascinating science because Edgar Mitchell started it. He was an Apollo astronaut. He had a transcendental experience coming back into the atmosphere and spent the rest of his life trying to bridge the gap between science and spirituality. And some of the stuff that they have discovered in their studies has been fascinating. So you should look into noetic science and your audience should as well, because it really does start to show you so many correlations between us all. I had a. I was doing a private reading for somebody and I had a line come out in. In one of the readings and lady said that it was a line from her dead husband's book, which I thought was fascinating too. But the line was, all empirical evidence is found in the illusion of belief. So science itself is a dogma.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, absolutely.

[John of New]

What a great line. You know, every scientist has a theory that's their belief, so they see it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, absolutely. And then when you challenge that belief. Because there's new evidence, right? Or a new idea. No, no, no. Galileo. The Earth is not round. Go, go, go away.

[John of New]

500 years later.

[Alex Ferrari]

500 years later. All right, we're a little behind. You know, it's. It's pretty fascinating. John, first of all, I want to thank you for doing this extra little thing for us and, and for the tribe. And hopefully this conversation helps people just open their mind. They got a couple seeds and a couple more pieces to that puzzle that we're all trying to put together in this conversation. Where can people find out more about you and the work that you're doing in the world, brother?

[John of New]

Well, johnofnew.com of course, and on YouTube, John of New. And I've got over 1400 videos in the last two and a half years on that channel. So go off and enjoy that. I also have a second channel called the Recovering Catholic, so you can check that one out as well. But yeah, that's the quickest way to get a hold of me. And if you want to find out about the sessions I do on my website, johnofnew.com they can go there and find out more about that.

[Alex Ferrari]

My friend. You're always a pleasure to talk to, my friend. And we got to get you into the studio to do it in person.

[John of New]

Whatever you need, my Alex, you are. You are. You are first on my list always.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, I appreciate you, my friend. Thank you for what you do and, and the bravery that you do it with and putting this information out into the world. So I appreciate you.

[John of New]

Thank you. And I appreciate you as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 535 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking, and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

[Julian Edelman]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. I want to take a second to talk about something that's personal to me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Me.

[Julian Edelman]

I've had the privilege of working closely with Robert Kraft for a long time, and one thing I've always respected is how seriously he takes up standing up to hate. As a Jewish athlete, my identity is something I am proud of. But I also know what it feels like to be singled out for it. That's why this new commercial for the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate that aired during the big Game really hit home. It's about showing up for someone when they're targeted, even if you don't have the perfect words. And sometimes standing next to someone is enough. And you can show support by sharing the Blue Square.

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