The Universe Is Within You with Rosaline Bosco

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari
Episode: The Universe Is Within You with Rosaline Bosco
Date: July 13, 2026
Guest: Rosaline Bosco (Author, spiritual thinker)
Host: Alex Ferrari

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Episode Overview

In this thoughtful and wide-ranging episode, Alex Ferrari sits down with Rosaline Bosco, a spiritual author and consciousness explorer from India. The conversation delves deeply into core questions about suffering, the nature of heaven and hell, the evolution of human consciousness, and the practical path toward inner awakening. Drawing from personal stories, Eastern and Western traditions, near-death experiences (NDEs), and philosophy, Rosaline and Alex explore what it means to live from soul and how to move beyond fear, dogma, and limiting beliefs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Problem of Good & Evil: Why Do Bad Things Happen?

[04:09 – 08:28]

• Personal Catalyst: Rosaline’s spiritual quest began after her mother, a kind and devout woman, suffered through a medical mishap and then illness. This event shattered her conditioning that "good people are rewarded, bad people are punished."

  • “My quest started there...all the social conditioning made me believe till that point that good people will be rewarded and bad people will be punished was certainly proved wrong.” (Rosaline, 04:47)

• Eastern vs Western Views:

  • Reincarnation and karma (Eastern): The soul returns to learn and evolve.
  • Soul purpose: Sometimes suffering serves a higher purpose, helping others or catalyzing awakenings in those around us.
  • Societal programming influences how we view good, evil, and justice.

• Alex's Reflection:

  • Most people inherit their beliefs from culture and family, only later questioning them, often triggered by trauma or loss.

2. The Nature of Hell & Heaven

[10:30 – 18:53]

• Is Hell Real?

  • “Hell is definitely not real, Alex.” (Rosaline, 11:00)
  • Hell and heaven are states of consciousness experienced here and now, not external places after death.
  • Our beliefs and conditioning shape these experiences.

• Near-Death Experiences (NDEs):

  • NDEs often echo these insights; “hellish” states during NDEs are transient, created out of fear and belief, and people move past them when they call for help.
  • “I don’t think anybody has been stuck in hell for a very long time, unable to escape from that and come back straight from that experience.” (Rosaline, 16:29)
  • The concept of judgment during a "life review" is self-imposed, not externally mandated.

• Origins of Hell:

  • Western fear-based concepts stem largely from literary works like Dante’s “Inferno.”
  • Alex questions the logic of a punishing, vengeful God and notes Jesus’s message of unconditional love.

3. The True Nature of God, the Devil, and Religious Programming

[18:53 – 23:53]

• Humanizing the Divine:

  • “People have foisted their own image, human image on God...but when you see Jesus, it’s all about forgiveness and unconditional love.” (Rosaline, 18:53)
  • Religions have painted God in human terms, leading to fear-based relationships.

• Institutions and Control:

  • Old Testament imagery and religious hierarchies often used fear to control people.
  • Jesus’s teachings were revolutionary because they emphasized going within, universal love, and direct connection to the divine.

• Terminology & Universalism:

  • Rosaline prefers "universe" instead of "God" to remove dogma and create inclusivity.
  • The devil: Another constructed character for behavioral control via fear.

4. Jesus, the East, and Universal Truth

[23:44 – 31:09]

• Discussion on the idea that Jesus may have studied in the East or absorbed ideas of inwardness, unity, and divine immanence that resonate in both Western mysticism and Eastern philosophies.
  • “When you speak about reincarnation and these kind of concepts...each one of us, when we awake at a particular point in time, we get all the knowledge that we carry over from the past.” (Rosaline, 26:36)
• Comparison of Vedic and Christian teachings on love, forgiveness, and non-violence.

5. Evolution of Consciousness & The True Nature of Reality

[32:53 – 48:28]

• Religious Rules as Evolving Consciousness:

  • Early rules (like the Ten Commandments) were tactics for social control; today, humanity is evolving beyond fear to question and connect directly.
  • God is formless light and unconditional love; many who cross over (NDEs) describe meeting the divine in forms matching their beliefs.

• Human Projecting onto the Divine:

  • Throughout history, gods and goddesses have been imagined with human flaws and drama (Greek, Hindu, etc.).
  • Alex: “We or people projected human frailties onto God as a character.” (38:13)

6. Consciousness: Definitions & Dimensions

[40:40 – 47:43]

• Definition of Consciousness:

  • Rosaline synthesizes Eastern models (Mandukya Upanishad) — four states:
    1. Awake (Gross)
    2. Dream (Subtle)
    3. Dreamless Sleep (Causal)
    4. Turiya (“The Fourth”, transcendental, unconditioned“pure consciousness”): Illuminates all others, is unbounded, non-dual.
  • Five sheaths of consciousness (koshas) from Taitriya Upanishad, from physical body to bliss.

• Ego vs Higher Self:

  • The voice of the ego vs. the silent awareness behind it — “the player in the game.”
  • Spiritual evolution is a journey of recognizing illusion and moving toward this deeper reality.

7. The Path to Enlightenment

[53:14 – 57:33]

• “Enlightenment has become a common term these days...there are so many steps you need to pass.” (Rosaline)
• Cites seven stages toward enlightenment from Sage Valmiki:
  1. Longing for enlightenment
  2. Self-inquiry
  3. Weakening of worldly desires
  4. Realization of illusion
  5. Detachment
  6. Cessation of suffering
  7. Turiyaga (divine union)

8. The Great Awakening and Modern Shifts

[57:33 – 62:16]

• Alex notes the surge of interest in spiritual, NDE, and consciousness topics, even among people who were never previously interested.

  • “People are really curious because they're starting to wake up and sense, even though they might not understand, they're starting to sense that there is more to this.” (57:33)

• The pandemic, climate crisis, and social challenges have accelerated personal and collective questioning and awakening.

• Rosaline shares how personal losses catalyzed her own soul-searching and how synchronicity and support from unseen realms (angels, her mother’s presence) became unmistakable as she opened up.

9. Surrender, Faith, and Letting Go of Control

[65:59 – 75:23]

• Both Alex and Rosaline describe how surrender—letting go of the attachment to outcomes and the illusion of control—has led to magic, growth, and support flowing into their lives.

  • “Surrender doesn’t mean you don’t work for it...but you don’t get frantic about it. You put in all the hard work, but let things happen after you have done your best.” (Rosaline, 67:52)
  • “The problem is the attachment to outcome...we’re walking up river, upstream, and it’s very difficult...” (Alex, 70:11)

• The ego resists surrender, but true peace and guidance come from trusting the universe and letting go.

10. The Role of Old Souls & Hope for Humanity

[75:23 – 83:17]

• Discussion on societal shifts; increasing numbers of people are awakening and questioning old paradigms.
• “There are many old souls coming back. These old souls come with more knowledge, and that is why...they can accept these things better than people who are, like, older or senior. These young children, even though they are young, they have so much inbuilt in them.” (Rosaline, 82:11)
• Optimism about the future—new generations naturally reject separation and fear.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Hell is definitely not real, Alex. I think we experience hell right here on earth.” (Rosaline Bosco, 11:00)
• “Our belief system is basically programmed into us since we were born...only later in life you become more, if you are curious, you question more and you start thinking, well, that doesn’t feel right to me anymore.” (Alex Ferrari, 08:41)
• “The soul...has a purpose. My mother’s soul might have had a specific purpose to be with us and to help us evolve.” (Rosaline, 07:41)
• “If you believe...a belief system that is separate from others, that is a problem because God is all one.” (Alex, 38:36)
• “Surrender is having faith in God and also doing your part at the same time...There is this idea of going with the flow, which means that you surrender and let things happen after you have done your best.” (Rosaline, 67:52)
• “These bigger ideas that we’re fighting against, they’re just like, no, of course...What is racism? They can’t grasp the concept...I'm hopeful as well.” (Alex and Rosaline on the new generation, 82:48)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [04:09] – Rosaline’s personal journey, questioning why bad things happen to good people
• [11:00] – “Hell is not real”; states of mind and consciousness
• [16:29] – NDEs: People create their own “hell”; moving beyond through grace
• [18:53] – Jesus’s teachings about love versus old images of a punishing God
• [22:21] – The devil as a construct for fear and control
• [32:53] – Religious rules as control, evolution of consciousness
• [40:40] – Deep dive: What is consciousness? Koshas and Upanishadic models
• [53:14] – The seven steps toward enlightenment
• [57:33] – Evidence of spiritual awakening in society; the pandemic as a catalyst
• [65:59] – Surrender, faith, and letting go of control
• [75:23] – Hope for humanity and the new generation of “old souls”
• [86:23] – Rosaline’s definitions of God, fulfillment, and the purpose of life
• [88:03] – Parting wisdom: “Be happy, be satisfied. Because you are much larger than what society has conditioned you to be…”

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Final Reflections & Takeaways

• The purpose of suffering, judgment, heaven, and hell is to catalyze growth and break us open to a greater truth.
• True spirituality transcends dogmas, fear, and separation; it focuses on inward realization, unconditional love, and unity consciousness.
• Surrender is not passivity—it’s active faith combined with letting go of the illusion of control.
• Humanity is undergoing a profound awakening—one seeded by brave souls, new generations, and a growing body of lived spiritual experience.
• Everyone’s awakening is uniquely timed and unfolds according to their soul’s readiness and life experiences.

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Connect with Rosaline Bosco

• Books: Available on Amazon (search Rosaline Bosco)
• Notable Titles: “Brimstone Follow”, “Co-Create with Your Universe”

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Closing Advice from Rosaline

“Be happy, be satisfied. Because you are much larger than what society has conditioned you to be. So whatever your circumstance, believe that you are a part of the Source.” (Rosaline Bosco, 88:03)

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I'd like to welcome to the show Rosalind Bosco. How are you doing, Rosalind?

[Rosalind Bosco]

I'm doing fine, Alex. Thank you for inviting me to the show. I'm really happy to join you here today. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate this and I appreciate you staying up late over in India to do this conversation. So I truly, truly appreciate it.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Thank you, Alex. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

So your work is fascinating because one of your first books here that I read was the Brimstone Follow, which is we're going to dive into a little bit, but you're also do a lot of work in the consciousness and, and trying to raise consciousness for the west and the east for that matter. But my very first question to you is diving into that. The first concepts of heaven and hell and all that stuff. Why are good people not always rewarded and why bad people are not always punished in our lives? In other words, why do good things happen? Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people sometimes.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, that was the question that got me started off in the first place. And at one point of time in my life when my mother lost her leg, her leg was amputated due to the mistake of a doctor, and. And later she lost her life due to cancer. So that started off a lot of questions in me. And she was a very good, holy, kind woman who would never speak a bad word or. Or ill about anybody. So. And she was a very soft, nature woman. So this was the first thing that affected me very deeply. And probably my quest started there. And I realized that I did not know everything. So all the social conditioning that May had made me believe till that point of time that good people will be rewarded and bad people will be punished was certainly proved wrong. So that started a barrage of questions. And now we have a lot of people talking about reincarnation and all these things. And so I also think that there are two parts, that there are two sides to the same coin. One could be the reincarnation part. The other could be your soul's purpose to learn. So when we look at it from the eastern point of view, we think of karma and coming back and doing our lessons again and evolving our consciousness. And another could be the purpose of the soul, to do something for humanity, to be with the people whom the soul loves as a spirit guide and to guide people. So I think the basic idea that good things happens to happen to good people is not correct in my point of view.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it doesn't. And generally, it's part of the soul's journey to learn. And from the outside, it could be like, well, that person was so beautiful, like, your mother didn't hurt a fly and bad things happened to her. But that. Yeah, according from the eastern point of view of reincarnation, it is her path and her choice to go through these things to learn and grow in this life. Correct?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes. Yes. But then I believe that the soul also has a purpose. So my mother's soul might have had a specific purpose to be with us and to help us evolve. So it could be. These are two different facets of the same concept. I would say the way of looking at it from the eastern point of view and another way of looking at it from the point of view of the soul's purpose.

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So in other words. So in other words, it's. You get a two for one. She grows as a soul, and she also helps you start you down on a path. Because without her going through this, you would have maybe never even asked those questions, correct?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes, definitely, Alex. Yeah, I would have. I would have just been a puppet who would have been just socially conditioned to accept everything that the church and other people told me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, that's an interesting concept, too, because there's so much that, you know, I've said this on the show before, is that, you know, our belief system is basically programmed into us since we were born, and we are just a result of the conditioning and the environment that we were born into. Wherever you are and, you know, you could be Christian, Muslim, Hindu, you know, whatever your family is, that's what you are. Only later in life you become more. If you're, if you are curious more, you question a lot more of the things and you start thinking, well, that doesn't feel right to me anymore. I.

Well, wait a minute.

What. What are this? Billion other people over here in India are thinking a little bit different than I was? What are they doing different? Are they all going to hell because they don't believe in what I believe and vice versa. So you start thinking outside the box a little bit. But that's scary. But that's extremely scary for most people because rocks the foundation of their entire existence. And then you, then they're like, well, wait a minute, my mom's not wrong, my dad is not wrong. How dare you. And then that's where fights begin and wars.

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[Alex Ferrari]

would you agree with that?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So when the basic foundation is dropped, even I was not able to come to this mindset for so many years in my life. It took me a very long time and a number of incidents to bring me to this place where now I strongly believe, especially after looking at so many near death, hundreds and hundreds of near death experiences where I've come to believe that this is what is true and not what we have been taught and conditioned to believe.

[Alex Ferrari]

So my next question is, is hell real? Because that is a concept in the west specifically, and I think in many other religions as well, there is a concept of this place. But I'm not as educated in the other religions. But in hell, I was taught hell was real in first grade and I was terrified as a child about this concept of hell. Like I don't want to go to hell. And that's exactly what it built to do. But I'd love to hear from your point of view, is hell real?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Hell is definitely not real, Alex. So I think we experienced hell right here on earth. It is not that you will have to go somewhere else to or it is after your death that we need to experience hell. We experience heaven and hell every moment of our lives and every day. It is our choice to experience heaven or hell wherever we are. And it has to do with consciousness. Because what you believe and what we think and our expectations and again, how we have been conditioned based on gender or status or so many other things makes us believe that something is hell or heaven. There are, there are poor people who live happy lives who lead contented lives so you could be happy wherever you are and create heaven for yourself.

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[Rosalind Bosco]

So and this I think could carry on even after death. The consciousness that you carry could carry on extend even after death. Well you could we could experience all those fears and all those negative elements that we have had in our lives experienced in our lives without getting rid of them. When we cross. When a person crosses over I think he or she carries carries this. So that's why many near death experiences when they when when they are in a situation which is like hell. Then some of them immediately pray to God. They are, they get that compulsion to pray to God and finally they see a grain of light and they move on. So this.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, yeah, that's very interesting because you, you've, you've obviously studied a lot of near death experiences. I've spoken to many near death experiencers on the show and I've had a few that have seen hell in their, in their near death experience. One specifically reminded me that she's like, I created that for myself because of my belief system that I felt that I needed to go through that hell and once I decided I didn't want to do it anymore, I asked for help. That's when that little speck of light came in and I was transformed out of it. Out of all your experiences in near death, with, with near death experiencers, is that a common thing? Because generally near death experiences don't stay in a hell and then come back. Yes, they, there is some sort of redemption, if you have redemption, but some sort of elevation in vibration to the point where you get to a light of some sort, an angel of being. Something comes and saves you and pulls you out of that. Or do you have any in your, any cases that they went to hell, stayed in hell, and then when they came back from hell, they were just woken up and they never saw any heaven or any positive place.

[Rosalind Bosco]

I don't remember anything of that kind. Elk. So whenever they plead to God, I mean when, when they say Jesus saved me or any God of their choice, whichever God of their choice, I mean, immediately they see the light and then, but then the Life review is always there. So if you think that is a part of hell or something like that, then, but then again, even in the Life review, only your soul, you judge yourself, you evaluate yourself based on what happened in your life. So I don't think anybody was, has been stuck in hell for a very long time, unable to escape from that and come and has come back straight from that experience.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what you're telling me is Dante has lied to us all these years. Well, isn't, isn't. Honestly, isn't Dante responsible for the current idea of hell in the Western mind? Was those books Inferno and so on?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, to a certain extent. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

Which, you know, I was raised Catholic. I'm a recovering Catholic, as I always say on the show, and the, the concept of the Old Testament in, in, in the, in the Western Bible in regards to the punishing God, the jealous God, the revengeful God, the, all of this stuff goes against anything I can even feel in my bones, because as a parent, you just would never do anything like that. No matter what your child did, you would never throw them into a pit of hell. You would never punish them forever. That is not what love is. So, so in other words, I'm going to ask you the question, does God rain down catastrophes and natural disasters and disease as a form of punishment to people? Because so many people, maybe people listening right now, believe that truly in their heart,

[Rosalind Bosco]

I think people have foisted their own image, human image on God. So human characteristics. So it's just a personification of God as a human being. But when you take the Bible and when you take. In every place, you see Jesus talking about forgiveness and Jesus talking about unconditional love. So, I mean, the damage that all these years has been done to the psyche of the people is, is too much. And that is what prompted me to write this book in the first place. Because I rebelled against the idea of a punishing God. I couldn't accept that kind of a God because there were so many experiences, real experiences which I had where God, I felt the love of God so much. So my real life experience was completely contrary to what people were telling me. And that is how I couldn't reconcile with the idea. And I made it a point to try to let it be known to people.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. I mean, even if you just look at the ideas of the Ten Commandments or even of the Old Testament God from a critical standpoint, he's very jealous, he's very vengeful, he's insecure. You know, it's, it's a fast. If you just look at it from a psychological standpoint, the character that is painted in those, in those stories is extremely vengeful, extremely insecure, extremely egotistical in the way that it's like, you must. I am the only one, you shall not. It didn't make much sense to me. I was like, wow. But when Jesus showed up and starts preaching all these things, he was a direct threat to everything that was brought before him, hence what happened to him. But if you truly go through his teachings, like Yogananda said, Jesus was crucified in one day, but his teachings have been crucified for over 2,000 years. It's extremely, extremely true. If you really listen to what Jesus was talking about, he was the first idea in the west, at least, that started to paint a picture of a different God. And we use the word God for lack of a better source, you know, you know, the one energy I am whatever, whatever makes people feel comfortable. Because God is a very loaded word nowadays because of all of this programming that we've had over the years.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Right, yes. That is why I use the word universe instead of God and co create with your universe.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct.

[Rosalind Bosco]

So I substitute, I substituted the word God with universe because I wanted to make it something common for everybody to understand and connect with. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So then the concept of, of the devil is just another character created to instill fear in the form of punishment towards us.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes, definitely. And I think Jesus was meant to come to change that kind of consciousness or change that kind of an image that religion, especially institutionalized religion, had painted about God. And I think God himself wanted to, wanted people to make an impact on the people, to make a change in the minds of the people. And that is why Jesus had to come. And he's a. He redeemed us from all those kind kinds of beliefs which were built up by the Old Testament.

[Alex Ferrari]

And for my understanding, from my studies, you know, Jesus did spend time in India to my understanding. He spent time there learning, teaching, learning and learning from yogis, learning meditation, learning these kind of concepts. These are ideas that, I mean Yogananda spoke about this because a lot of the things that he teaches are very Eastern. They are definitely not Western in idea. The idea of that everything's within you, you have to go inward, the kingdom of heaven is inside of you, you can do whatever I can do.

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[Alex Ferrari]

These concepts are definitely not Western. They lean more Eastern. And isn't Jesus very renowned in India and in the East?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, Jesus. There are a lot of institutions here which have been begun by Catholics and missionaries, Christians and there are hospitals which have been initiated by people all over the world. So Jesus is very well known and well received here, here in India. Speaking of, See, when we think about, when we speak about reincarnation and these kind of concepts.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Rosalind Bosco]

I don't really, I doubt whether a person has to be born in a but has to travel to a place or has to be born in a place to get these ideas. It might see, I believe that each one of us when we awake at a particular point of time, we get, we get all the knowledge that we carry over from the past. So whatever it is. So I might have been born in your in the US and you might have been born. We have had so many past lives and that is what near death experience is telling us. So in that case we unless we have something to establish that Jesus really came to India, the point is that he might have learned it. He might have. He might have come with wisdom and the understanding that we accumulate with all

[Alex Ferrari]

our experiences and nowadays, you know, it Must have been more difficult 2,000 years ago to come to this realization if there's no one teaching you how to access that knowledge. Where in today's world, this information, like this conversation is online and anywhere anybody in the world can hear this conversation. And it could trigger a way to go down a path. Start reading your books, start reading other books, start thinking about, start meditating and things open up. But I'd imagine In, you know, two, 3,000 years ago, that was a much more difficult place if you only stayed in this one little patch of land and never exposed to anything else.

[Lady Luck]

Yes.

[Rosalind Bosco]

That is why we acknowledge him and appreciate him as a true revolutionary, because even though he had this to go within, he carried this concept of going within and saying that the kingdom of God is within in the eastern part of the world. I, I'm not sure who carried all these revolutionary ideas as Jesus did. Like, like turn your other cheek when, when you. Yeah. So this kind of forgiving forgiveness and unconditional love was unique to Jesus Christ. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

But in the Vedas, did they speak of anything like this in the Vedic, in the Vedic text,

[Rosalind Bosco]

the Vedas maybe just. See, Hinduism is a way of life, so they have it ingrained in them. For example, they are very tolerant. They practice vegetarian. Vegetarianism. And then there, there are Jains who believe that they shouldn't even harm an insect. So it is, it is way of living for them. But I'm not sure whether it's explicitly mentioned as such in the Vedic text, as much as Jesus keeps on repeating over and over again through parables and through stories. And it was, it's very, very simple. The reason why his Christ consciousness has become so widespread is because it's very simple to follow, unlike the Vedic texts, which can be read and understood by a privileged few. So that is where there is a little bit of. So here in India, you, you can't expect every day everybody to be so knowledgeable as to know the meaning of Sanskrit in which the Vedas. Yeah. So even for me, I don't, I'm, I, I don't know the language. I don't know Sanskrit, so as much as I know English. So it's difficult for me to go and interpret and learn that language. But whereas it is not. So in the case of. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

With, with Jesus and his stories and the ideas that he was putting out. So he was. Yes, really. From, from my, for my research as well. The simpler the explanation, the more powerful it is if it gets too complex too, if I have to explain it to you very Deeply sometimes it's, it, maybe there's something off. But like you said, those teachings of Jesus, teachings from Yogananda, teachings from Buddha, these are very basic ideas to help their truths. Their truths essentially that, that are. Yes, that ring true. The second that you hear them. It's, it's pretty fat. It's pretty fascinating how, how Jesus was able to do what he was able to do at the time that he was able to do it. I mean he only had a few years before they said enough is enough, we got to get rid of this guy. I mean it was, he only, he only was, you know, really preaching his for a few years before he finally said no, you gotta go, because he was too much of a threat to the establishment. And, and, and from your point of view, I mean the ideas of the Old Testament, the ideas of the established Western religions was about control. It was about power and control of the people. Fear, Fear is still being taught today every single time you turn your television on. Afraid. Be afraid, be afraid. The only truth is with me or buy my product. Because this is the, you're going to be able to survive this, this coming apocalypse of. It's constant like that and you're keeping everyone fearful. Well, that's what the Bible was doing, Old Testament Bible at least was doing to control the masses because power and so on.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, they might, the people at the highest level of hierarchy might have thought that this was the best way to make people listen to so the like for example, the Ten Commandments. So when they spoke about the Ten Commandments, they thought at that. See, even this I see as an evolution of consciousness science. So see at that point of time people believed that this was the best way to take it to the people so that they would listen through fear. But then now we have begun to understand and we have begun to ask questions. And with the evolution of consciousness we know that the idea of a punishing God is really fictitious. It's wrong. And when you believe that God is your father, you lose the personal connection when you think that God is revengeful. So you have only fear and you hide from, and you hide from God. We hide from God so we don't have that real connection with God that, that is not a real connection. But now I, from my point of view, I feel that God is my Father who will forgive me my trespasses, as he has said in the, as Jesus Christ has taught us in this, in his prayer. So I believe that hundred percent. So I have more connection with God as my Father. Even the idea of portraying God as a father figure or based on gender is being questioned these days of course because nd experiences are showing that God is formless and God is pure light. And the angels and other every aspirate guides, they assume forms according to their, according to our, our expectations and our belief systems. So this is what is. So we have come, I think we have come a long way away from the punishing God and people. I mean these ending experiences. I think God himself is. It's not an accident. Do you believe it's an accident? It's. No, these are definitely not accidents.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, no, there's no accidents at all. And and again from my experience talking to so many in the ears as well is that, you know, if you were Catholic or a Christian your entire life, you know Krishna is not going to show up for you. You like generally speaking, that's not Jesus. I, I have a running joke on the shows. Jesus is the hardest working man on the other side because he's everywhere. He's always helping people, he's always bringing people. He's always in these near death experiences. But for others has been Buddha, there's been Krishna, there's been, I mean and I started going deeper into indigenous near death experiences where they've never heard of Jesus. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. And I'm like, who shows up for them? How did they work through and their experiences of, of a near death experience. It is pretty fascinating. And the one thing that you were saying, and I just want to kind of put a exclamation point on it, is that we, that we or people projected human frailties onto God as a character.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Definitely.

[Alex Ferrari]

And if people think that this is the only time it's happened, it's pretty much happened in every religion ever from Hinduism. I mean, there's a lot of humanistic elements to a lot of the Hindu gods. I mean the Greeks, hello, Zeus, Athena, all these, I mean they were, there was a soap opera going on on mountain Olympus. You know, they were cheating on each other, they were having kids here and there. Mean it was a pure soap opera. So if you start looking at it from that point of view, you start to, if you look at it critically, and I know somebody listening right now, their foundation is they're fighting this and it's okay, it's all right. You don't have to believe anything that we're saying. But if you start looking at it critically and you just start going, this is making sense. I might not like it, what they're saying, but this is starting to make sense. And maybe this is a seed that will start people at least becoming curious and reading and listening and watching more shows or listening to books or watching, watching whatever, to take them down a different path. Because like I said earlier today, I'm like, if, if you believe you, if you have a, a belief system that is separate from others, that is a problem because God is all one. The concept of all of us instead Of I, it's a we, we are all together in this. We are all connected. If I harm you, I'm harming myself. These concepts as, as Jesus said, do unto others as you would like to do unto you. These kind of concepts, if it's separation or fear based, maybe you should start looking into something. Maybe you should start thinking about things slightly differently. So I, I hope this helps in that manner. Now I want to go into consciousness because that is another area that you are very passionate about. What began, what began your journey to understanding consciousness? And what specifically, what is your definition of consciousness?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Consciousness is imperceptible. It is unconscioned. It cannot be defined in the first place. Pure consciousness cannot be defined. But there are states of consciousness. The first state of consciousness, which you call the awake state, which is extroverted and which makes you look at the outside world and your activities, everyday activities, so that belongs to your gross body. That is the awake state. And then you have the dream state of consciousness when your imagination and dreams come into play. And then you have the third phase, phase of consciousness, which is the dreamless state, which is. Sometimes people say that it is a dark place, but actually it is a dense place. It is, it is very dense. And, and everything is, everything is silent there. But there is your pure consciousness. You will, you cannot call it the fourth state that is called turiya. The Mandukya Upanishad, which was written after Christ like 1st or 2nd century AD speaks about Turiya as unconditioned, unchangeable, non dual, which is advaita. So this Turiya, this consciousness shines upon just like a light, just like a flashlight, it shines upon all the three other states. So turiya cannot be called the fourth level of consciousness, but it shines, it helps to show, like a flashlight in a dark room, the true nature of all these three different states. The awake state, the dream state, and the dreamless state. And these stem from this consciousness. And this turiya is complete. It is divine. It is the divine part of every human being that is pure consciousness and which is unconditioned. That is the.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's your definition.

[Rosalind Bosco]

That's my definition of consciousness.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, so the concept of consciousness, because I've had so many people on the show talking about consciousness, is a pretty fascinating deep well of, of discussion to say the least. But when you look at it from trying to really get into it, you're like, okay, if you look at yourself like I am. Okay, I'm thinking, I am thinking. And Then there's a voice inside of you saying certain things about you. Yeah, you're too fat, you're ugly, you're not smart enough. Well, that's the ego. That's the monkey brain talking.

[Lady Luck]

Yeah.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there is something else behind that that is. Is aware of everything and watching everything.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes, yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

That to me at least, is consciousness, or the higher self as the player in the game. That we're the video game of life, if you will. We are avatars running around. They are the player playing the game in it. A crude explanation or analogy of it, but I think it kind of solidifies a little bit of what it is. Is that. Is that fair? What do you think of that?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah, definitely, Alex. The only catch is that unless you come to the point of realizing that these different states, the three states, the awake state, the dream state, so these are not reality. But then there is a divine reality. There is this consciousness, which never changes. Until then, your mind keeps on playing those monkey games.

[Alex Ferrari]

It.

[Rosalind Bosco]

You cannot stop that. And again, Taitriya Upanishad also talks about the five sheets, sheets of consciousness, which are. The first one is called the annamaya kosha. Annamaya kosha is your physical self. And annam means food in Sanskrit. Refers to food. So it's made up of. Your physical body is made up of that. And then you have the pranamaya kosha. Pranamaya kosha. Kosha means sheath. So that is the oxygen and the energy that is surging through your body. The third one is called manomaya kosha. Manomaya kosha is your mind. So the mind is what keeps on going back and forth. And then you have the vinyanamaya kosha, which refers to your cognitive abilities, your skills and all that. And then finally you have the anandamaya kosha. Anandamaya kosha is bliss. So until you reach. And turiya is separate from all these five different sheets of consciousness, when these veils are removed, sheets of car. When these veils are removed. And a person begins to understand that all this materialism and all this running after and all this competition is just an illusion. And the only thing that is you are much more than that. Why do I want myself? Why do I want to limit myself to an ordinary, petty being who's running after so many other things when I am everything? So until a person comes to realize his or her divine nature, life is really very difficult, Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's

[Rosalind Bosco]

a rat race. And there's so many anxieties and frustrations and depression so it's, it's very interesting

[Alex Ferrari]

that you say that because, you know, even in my own journey, it's taken me a while to figure that out. It took me a long time and it does for many people. You know, it takes time before you figure out that this is, this is not real, what's important in life and from somebody who was constantly hustling, constantly trying to control and gain and compete with others and all this. But when, as you get older, you start to realize hopefully not everybody, but hopefully towards the end, when you're about to transition, you go, wow, that seemed like a lot of waste of time. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. Everything I did, everybody I hurt everybody, everything I did to accumulate more stuff, stuff, more things. There is no U Haul connected, no packing trailer connected to the, to the hearse. You can't take it with, yeah, you really can't take it with you. And when you understand that, then if you can understand that earlier in life, life becomes a little bit more joyous to work through. So even now, to this point where I am at now, it's like, like how much bigger of a, of a box to live in do you need? You know, after a certain level there are certain things that have to be checked off. Security, you know, you know, protection from the elements, you know, food, things like, you know, a nice place to sleep, you know, as a comfortable place to sleep. Once you're done with all of that, you know, why do you need a 25,000 square foot home? Like to me it's, even if I had a billion or $10 billion, I wouldn't, I would be more on the Steve Jobs side. Steve Jobs lived in a small neighborhood house and he was one of the richest people in the world, but he also studied Yogananda a lot. So there's that.

[Rosalind Bosco]

But it would be a C. I, I see those kind of people around me also. But it would be really rude of me to go and break their, break their illusion because it's, yeah, they will come to learn it when it's the right time for them. It doesn't happen, it doesn't happen to everybody at the same time. So.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's also dangerous to try to break their illusion as well. Because if you challenge somebody's delusion or challenge their foundation, that is when things happen. That's why I never preach, I never try to transform anybody and any in any aspect. Like, if you like PCs, I'm a Mac person, it's okay, enjoy your PC. You know, if you want an iPhone or a Samsung, if you want to eat meat or don't eat meat, if you want to believe in this or believe in that, if you start to challenge, that's when problems happen. Now if they ask you questions, if they become curious, then you might be able to start dabbling a little bit, A little bit. But you can't. Even then you still can't just Pull the curtain back because it's too, it's too jarring. It's too, it's dangerous. It's really dangerous because it could hurt the relationship, it hurt you. But it's interesting to see that.

[Rosalind Bosco]

So there are. Enlightenment has become a common term these days, like many people are talking about enlightenment. So unless you. But there are so many steps you need to, you need to pass before you reach that particular point of life. So as you say when you came, you cannot go and tell somebody that these are the, these are the facts of life. And you have to listen to, you will have to understand that. So in consciousness, Sage Valmiki, who wrote the Ramayana, he has given up, he has given up seven steps towards enlightenment. There is a kind of a route to enlightenment. So you will have to tackle them one by one until you reach

[Alex Ferrari]

that

[Rosalind Bosco]

particular place which you're talking about. That means your ability to give up things. So the first one would be. So to reach this point of enlightenment, the first step is you need to have a longing for that unlike a longing for materialism, material things, a longing for enlightenment. So that is called subiksha in Sanskrit. So that would be the first step. And the second would be self inquiry. So when we see things happening and near death experiences happening, I mean, there are so many people who are interested in finding out more about these things. At the same time there are people who just say, no, it's just hallucination. When it happens to millions of people, still they can say, so self inquiry is a very important aspect. That would be the second stage. This is given by Taitriya Upanishad. The third one would be Tanu manasa, which means a weakening of worldly desires which you and I are discussing about. So it's not necessary that I should have so much to make me happy. I can be happy with enough, whatever is enough for me. As you said, the. A basic house, some shelter and safety. This would be. And the fourth stage would be self, self realization, which is called satwapati in Sanskrit. So unless you realize that this is, this world is illusory, you cannot come to that understanding. And then comes the stage of detachment, which is called Assam sati. So Assam sati shows you gradually to move away from all these step by step. And naturally when you have this kind of detachment, you travel to the next step, which is cessation of suffering. This is what Buddha was talking about all the time and saying, desire is a root, root cause of all evil. So cessation of suffering. And finally you have what is called Turiya or Turiyaga. So that is when you become one with the divine and you don't have all these kind of expectations. I think that stage can be reached only by a very few people. And they are the sages and the ascended masters. And, but nowadays a lot of people are getting into that mindset. What with the climate changes and so many challenges that we are facing today, people are beginning to understand that there is something, there is a larger reality behind what we see every day.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh yes, there, there's no question. I mean, the explosion of the popularity of this show is a testament to that. You know, it's, and, and it's not coming from an egotistical place, but I, I look at it from a place of, of service. And how many people from around the world are, are just dying for this information? They are so curious. More so than there was five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago. It seems to be amplifying, meaning that there's more people. And at the second, you know what's really interesting? The second that people find out what I do now, they have questions, they don't have damnation. And, and it's private questions, not public questions. Because one thing is to be public one way, another thing to be private, but privately I get conversations about is this near death experience stuff real? Is our channelers real, our mediums real? What did that yogi say on your show? What did that spiritual master say on your show? Are we in a simulation? What does quantum physics have to do with all of this? All these kind of very large ideas. People are really curious because they're starting to wake up and sense, even though they might not understand, they're starting to sense that there is more to this. And do you believe that? I mean, I do believe that we're going through an awakening and there's this great awakening happening on the planet right now. It is happening. But is that feeling where so many people are starting to question established, established systems that have been in place for hundreds of years, maybe even thousands of years? I mean, you could look at the Catholic Church and the struggles it's been having over the last 20 or 30 years and you know, things are going on decline and, and our ideas of money, our ideas of economics, our idea of, of competition, what's fair, what's not fair, all that kind of stuff of. These are all revolutionary ideas that are starting to just pop up everywhere. Where, when I was a child, there was never even a conversation about this in the public.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes, I was Lucky to be introduced in the into this like pushed into this. Alex My childhood was completely innocent. I was, I was a total, I mean protected by Indian parents protect their children, especially girl children. Girl child is very, very special. I was totally protected. And

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Rosalind Bosco]

Hey everybody.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show.

[Rosalind Bosco]

You know my mother's death, that was, that was what led me to that. And afterwards there were, there were a lot of things. Instead of praying for my mother, which the Catholic Church generally says, pray for the departed souls. So I had an urge in me to pray to my mother because I believed in her sanctity. I believe that she was a kind of a saint. So I started praying to her. And that was when the magic started happening. There were so many incidents in my life which led to this quest. I mean, see, people don't believe. My regret is that people don't believe in angels as much as they believe in ghosts. So I. I believe that. That I always had a presence with me. And now I certainly believe that it was my mother who was with me all the time. And I used to hear a small object, especially when I was in deep contemplation and working in the kitchen, I used to hear a small object being moved from one place or just. Just a paper fly from one. One place to another. So many of these things. Like, for example, I had given a gift of a jewel to a very close relative of mine. And she reported that the jewel had been lost. She couldn't find it wherever she had kept it. So after some time when I visited her and I just had to keep my hand in the locker and I found that jewelry there. So, so many synchronicities happened in my life, and it was like they were. They were wanting me to wake up because I was. I was a very. I was a person who was afraid of everything. I lived in total fear. And I also believe that I could control. Control everything. The people around me, I could save them. But then once when my husband, he was diagnosed with a heart ailment and he had to undergo angioplasty and even discussing this very seriously. And the doctor said, said doctor said, immediately, if you have pain, report to us. So that was when I remember in Eckhart tell Holy's book where he says I wasn't able to live with myself at that point of time. He says I wasn't able to live with myself. And then he started questioning then who is the other I who isn't able to live? So that is the part that he questioned. So that was the exact state. And at the time, I just surrendered. I just surrendered. I. I prayed to the. That was the first time I prayed to the. The universe. I prayed to the God saying, I cannot live with this any longer. Let me surrender. And afterwards, so many things started happening like magic, and there were so many angels around us. It was unbelievable. So, I mean, we have a lot of support, Alex. There are miracles happening every day around Us and only thing, we dismiss them as coincidences. Oh, yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, let me ask you this. The. And I agree, the exact same thing happened to me with this show is I surrendered. And the second I surrendered and it started, Things started to open up, guests started to show up, success started to happen with this show that I was not, but it was because I surrendered and stopped trying to control. And can you talk, I want you to talk a little bit about this concept of surrender. Because especially in the Western mind, there is this idea of control and wanting to control everything, because that's the egos. Because the ego wants. The ego doesn't want you to surrender because then it loses its control, its power. But when you surrender to a higher, higher power than yourself, whatever you want to call it, the universe, God, source, whatever, when you surrender to it, it. I know people were like, well, if you surrender to it, then how, how do you live life? You can't just let something else control you that have free will. I mean, all this kind of, these kind of ideas start to creep in, these arguments start to creep in. And my explanation from my own personal point of view, and I'd love to hear yours, is like, when you surrender, you do not give up the control of the journey. You give up the control of expectation of what will happen. So you write a book, you want it to be read by millions of people, but if the expectation and you try to control that, that's when it doesn't work. But you still have to write the book. And once you write the book, you give it up. Like I'm putting it out to the universe. Whatever needs to happen for this to do this or whatever this is supposed to do for the best of myself and for the world, let that be. And then. But you still have to be active in this process. You cannot just sit down.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Definitely.

[Alex Ferrari]

So do you agree with that?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes. Surrender doesn't mean that you, you don't work for it. For example, when I wanted to move into a new house, I visualized how the, how the house should be and I had an idea. And now I, I love, just love this house. I just love this place. So I'm. I had to go, go through a lot of hard work. I was definitely helped along the way. But then I don't get frantic about it. I, I don't get frustrated about it. I put in all the hard work that I'm supposed to put in. And even this, this show, this interview, Alex, how would, how would I. It is beyond my dreams to be invited to the show. And talk to you. But then how does it materialize? And why didn't it happen earlier? So there is nothing, nothing that it. It is simply not in my hands. So things happen when they are supposed to happen and when you surrender. See, that is why the Course in miracles is very, very relevant, because it shows you how the ego can manipulate you. The ego can say that there is a quote in the Course in Miracles which goes like this. The ego shows you or tells you that, that it can oppose God's will and present its own will as a gift to you. But how can we oppose God's will? God's will can never be opposed. So the ego keeps telling you that you can fight against the situation and somehow make things happen. So surrender is having faith in God and also doing your part at the same time. Because sometimes when you keep on struggling and struggling and fighting, then it becomes more difficult. So there is this idea of going with the flow, which means that you surrender and let things happen after you have done your best.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right? It's. It's the. Is the attachment to outcome is. The problem is that is the biggest problem we have is because if you have this attachment to outcome, you want. That's a form of control. You want to control it. And most of us are walking up river upstream, and it's very difficult, but the water is going to continue to run no matter what you do. So if anyone's ever tried to walk upstream in a river, you will understand how futile it is. And you might be strong at the beginning. You might last an hour, you might last a day walking up. But at a certain point, you get tired and you lie down and you let the water take you where it's going to take you anyway.

[Rosalind Bosco]

As long as I was resisting things in my life, I found it very difficult. And also there was so much psychological stress that was building up inside me. So when I. And that is a stage where you place real trust in God, isn't it? So when you surrender, you.

[Alex Ferrari]

To do this show was one of the scariest things I've ever had to do in my life because I was so fearful of losing everything I had done because I hadn't come out of the spiritual closet yet. So once I surrendered, it taught me so much about the nature of reality, because things happen and continue to happen with me in this show that are completely out of my control. I do not control the algorithm of YouTube. I do not control how people are finding me. These are things that I have no control over whatsoever. But yet it continues to happen and yet it continues to grow. And yet things are happening that are completely out of my control once I let go. And then I started seeing it in other aspects of my life. And then when things do, you know, when something negative comes into, into the path, I look at it as an opportunity to grow as opposed to, oh, woe is me, look what just happened to me. And it's not always easy. I'm not perfect yet. You know, this is, this is a process. We're all learning on this. You know, we're not all perfect, but you start looking at things a little bit differently and go, okay, well this has been placed in my path. Why? Why is this here? What do I have to learn? How do I approach this? Okay, what are the lessons that I'm really needing to learn here? Because I don't want to do this again. And these are the way I, the way I walk the path now. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. As opposed to the way I used to word be fighting and very male energy of like, I have to control, I have to dominate, I have to compete, I have to do all of that. And at a certain point, as, at least as I've gotten older, it's become much easier to do this.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah. Yes. Then you are in a kind of a blissful state state when you allow that to take over you instead of feeling disappointed all the time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Rosalind Bosco]

That helps. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So one last question I have for you. Where do you think the future of mankind is going with this great shift?

[Rosalind Bosco]

So I think many of us have got into this, into this bandwagon of consciousness and I, I have a question for you, Alex.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Rosalind Bosco]

When would the bigger, I mean, the biggies really get involved in this? Because there are so many exciting things happening in near death experiences which could be made into movies like the Secret or the Soul or even the Ghost, which was an interesting movie. It's an old movie too. So this is the most interesting phase of humanity.

[Alex Ferrari]

And

[Rosalind Bosco]

when are people who are of consequence going to take this opportunity and take it to the masses? Because I believe when people realize that materialism is just a delusion, so then they would, I mean, it's not as easy as I might make it sound, but still the message, once the message, even wars could be prevented. So I am hopeful for humanity because with so many near death experiences and people coming back with the messages saying, we were asked to speak about this to as many people. So this was many people. I've heard many people say I was afraid to speak about this for 20 or 25 years and now I've come out of the closet and I, I'm speaking about this. So there is a larger picture. I'm, I'm definite that something good is going to happen. But all these things, I would, I

[Alex Ferrari]

would agree with you that and I've spoken to many of them. That is like, I haven't spoken about this in 20 years, but I decided to finally come out and talk about this and, and I hear that again and again and again. But what is it about now that is allowing people to do this like and I've said this on the show before as well, is that this show wouldn't have worked 20 years ago or 30 years ago. It would have been a very difficult thing. There might have not been the audience that is ravenous now for this information wasn't around 20 or 30 years ago. You know, now it's becoming much more. I mean if you, if you just type in the word near death experience on YouTube. My gosh. I mean there is so much information now where that, that was talked about like you're crazy, you're insane. These ideas that we're talking about so freely now were looked upon even a decade or two ago as you're on the outskirts, you're on the, you're, you're on the fringe of society talking about near death experiences and channeling and Christ consciousness and you're a whack job job where in today's world there's more and more people not only accepting these conversations but want these conversations in their lives so they can truly look inward. And, and, and what did you say the. I think it was the second self inquiry to do self inquiry. Yeah, exactly. To, to really start asking these deeper questions. And I do think that the pandemic did, did shake the world up with that because we all had to stop for a minute and go wait a minute, I kind of like spending time with my family. I don't want to work commute two hours a day. You know, these, all these questions started to come up and it was a, a jarring for the world. I've never seen anything like that. Just the whole world stopped for a month or two.

[Rosalind Bosco]

It was a blow to humanity though. It was a blow to humanity on the one side it like shook us, it made us sit up and, and even a nature around us seemed to be, seemed to have more freedom at that point because we were over exploiting our natural resources and the birds were coming out when human beings had to stay indoors. So, and what, what did, what message did we get? What message did we get? The message that the earth is also a conscious being and we are doing so much to hurt the earth. For example, in 18, not one when Thomas Young spoke about the nature of reality so the dual nature of particles of atoms, people did not believe him. And now today clause he has got Nobel prize for physics for his work on quantum entanglement. But then how do we get the message across to people. So what was discussed before two centuries has come to fruition now.

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[Alex Ferrari]

it's a slow. It's a slow process. And people still to this day in the old school of physics are like, oh, this quantum physics stuff is ridiculous.

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[Alex Ferrari]

It doesn't go along with our materialistic point of view.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Constant.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah, we can't. We can't allow it. But, and, and for. For over 100 years, there's been honestly not a lot of. Of advances in quantum physics because there's just been this fight against it because it doesn't make sense to them. Quantum entanglement completely throws materialism out the door, and they cannot.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Wrap their head. So just like Galileo, look through the telescope. We will not look through the telescope. We will kill you. But just look. The information's right there.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Look, look, look.

[Alex Ferrari]

Nope, we will not look through the telescope. And that's where we are now, I

[Rosalind Bosco]

think, in many ways, unlike Bruce Lipton and Craig Braden. So there are very few people. I've. I just watch their shows. I just. Even on your pod, I watch their shows. They absolutely brilliant. But then. Yeah, we are making. At least. We are making a headway in that direction.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Sorry. I think that people. There are many old souls coming back. These old souls come with more knowledge, and that is why I. I presume that. That they can accept these things better than people who are, like. Who are older or senior. These young. These young souls, these young children, even though they are young, they have so much inbuilt in them, so they're able to accept all these things.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I have children. I know what you're talking about. At this new. The new generation coming up are accepting concepts that. That took me years to figure out and understand. But for them, they're just like. What do you mean? You know, we. We shouldn't. What is racism? They. They can't grasp the concept to it. They're like, really? Is that a thing? Oh, wow. It's these. These bigger ideas that have. We're fighting against. They're just like, no, of course. Of course it.

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[Rosalind Bosco]

Rosalind. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Now I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Rosalind Bosco]

A fulfilled life is life with your close. Your family, close ones and doing as much you can to the best of your ability for the people who. Who are close around you. You. Everybody might not be able to do a lot of social work. For example, my husband is a social worker. He goes out of his way to people who he meets on the road. But then I don't have the opportunity to do that. But then even doing random acts of kindness whenever I have the opportunity that would really make a person. That is my idea of a fulfilled life.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. How do you define God?

[Rosalind Bosco]

God is now that I've come to believe that God is an integral part of me. I feel very close to him and God has come to my rescue so many times. Thanks. So my love for God is unconditional, just like his love for me. He loves me or she however you prefer to.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Rosalind Bosco]

The ultimate purpose of life? Near death experiences say that this life which we find so challenging is really an exciting opportunity and it gives us so many flavors and tastes. But then many of us struggle so much here. So it depends on what you I think that I think life is very exciting.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's interesting to say the least. Yes, it's extremely interesting. And where can people find out more about you and the books that you've written as well?

[Rosalind Bosco]

My books, you can find them on Amazon.in and Amazon.com and I've written another the third book, Co Create with your universe. So that also can be found on Amazon all over the world and in India. You can find my books on notion press or Amazon.in and do you have

[Alex Ferrari]

any final words for our audience?

[Rosalind Bosco]

Russell? Be happy, be satisfied. Because you are much larger than what society has conditioned you to be. So whatever your circumstance, believe that you are, you are a part of the Source. So that would be my parting words to the audience.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for being on the show. This has been such a wonderful conversation and I truly hope it helps somebody out there listening to start walking the path of self inquiry and closer to Source universe or God, whatever they like to call it. But I appreciate you and the work that you're doing in the world, my dear. Thank you so much.

[Rosalind Bosco]

Thank you so much. It was wonderful to be on the show. Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 253 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, healing and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

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