What is the Energetic Pulse of Humanity? with Jennifer Shaffer

Summary

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Next Level Soul Podcast with Alex Ferrari

Episode: What is the Energetic Pulse of Humanity?
Guest: Jennifer Shaffer
Release Date: April 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging conversation, host Alex Ferrari sits down with renowned intuitive, medium, and “psychic detective” Jennifer Shaffer. Together, they explore Jennifer’s personal journey, the energetic state of humanity in the current age of polarization and transformation, the soulful perspective on diseases like Alzheimer’s, and spiritual insights into destiny, self-love, and the future of the world post-2024 election. The episode is peppered with lighthearted banter, personal stories, and practical wisdom for anyone seeking to awaken or navigate the uncertainties of these times.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Jennifer’s Background and Awakening

• Medical “Origin Story”: Jennifer shares how childhood seizures, early exposure to belladonna (a psychoactive), and a traumatic cycling accident may have been gateways to her intuitive abilities.

  “They believe that because I had seizures as a little kid at three and a half months old, that that was the cause of all of this…whether that was the gateway or my bicycling accident where I broke eight bones in my face—who knows?” (05:21)

• Grew up Mormon; early signs of her intuitive gifts left her isolated and confused as a child. She describes seeing floating forms, requesting glasses, and feeling “different” without explanation or support.
• She suppressed her gifts, became a successful stockbroker, and only came out of her “intuitive closet” decades later—an emotionally difficult but ultimately liberating decision.

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Intuitive Abilities and Ethics

• Jennifer explains everyone is intuitive to some extent:

  “All I do for clients is put their awareness towards what they innately already have. Everyone’s connected. If everybody would remember that…” (07:39)

• Discusses the difference between “psychics” and “intuitives,” and why she prefers the latter term due to cultural baggage.
• She highlights the ethical code of responsible intuitives:

  “Just because you know something doesn’t mean you say it... I always ask, do I give this information? A lot of times I get told no.” (28:14, 35:57)

• Warns against unscrupulous practitioners and the misuse of intuitive gifts.

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Navigating Trauma, Depression, and “Drama”

• The drama and “low vibrations” of Earth life can block connection to higher awareness.
• On laughter as medicine:

  “No one from the other side ever has said, I wish I would have held back from that fun, or that laughter, or that kiss, or that love…we hold ourselves back.” (09:04)

• Jennifer shares her struggle with childhood depression, suicidal ideation, and feeling disconnected—and how it related to her unintegrated gifts:

  “There’s no death school to go to when eventually you’ll be working with it.” (14:14)

• Suggests that children drawn to “the other side” may be intuitively aware of their destined roles (in healing professions, for example).

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Forensics, Crime Work, and Spiritual Guidance

• Jennifer recounts being “outed” as a medium in her California community after accurately relaying details about a neighbor’s death—triggering her work with law enforcement and cold cases.
• Emphasizes that being a good intuitive is not the same as being a good person; one must be morally guided.
• Discusses the challenge of interpreting information from spiritual sources, warnings about timing, and how alternate realities (quantum parallel realities) can complicate predictions:

  “With quantum physics...we can get something in the future that might not be in this reality as well.” (31:32)

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The Soul’s Journey and Disease (Alzheimer’s)

• Alzheimer’s/dementia patients are not to be pitied; their souls are having expansive experiences disconnected from the pain of earth life.

  “I never feel sorry for anybody that has Alzheimer’s or dementia. I feel sorry for their caregivers. They’re having the time of their life…they can be with their husband in a different time period” (40:46)

• Their bodies often persist longer because they're less “entangled” in the negative feedback loops of normal consciousness, allowing physical longevity.
• Loved ones should not feel guilt—patients often perceive that their families are present, even if they are not physically there.

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The Afterlife, Spirit Communication, and Celebrity Stories

• Jennifer and Alex share amusing stories of connecting with spirits, including celebrities like Kobe Bryant (“can I pinch your ass?” [57:26]), and how spirits use personal references to validate their presence.
• She makes clear that no matter the “sensational” moments, the heart of her work is about healing, closure, and honoring spiritual boundaries.

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Humanity’s Current Energetic State & The Future

[71:16 – 74:50]

• The 2024 U.S. election is a turning point, with aftermath expected to ripple globally.

  “Sometimes it takes something that bad in order to get people to come together, to wake up. We really need to love each other more…I have hope for our humanity, for working together. We’re so polarized right now.” (71:54)

• Jennifer sees a period of pain and challenge—a necessary phase for growth. But she and Alex agree humanity, as a collective, has chosen not to self-destruct:

  “We can end up killing each other…and be done with the whole world...so we’re not going to do that. I see us coming together, but it's going to be painful at first…” (74:24)

• Nature (climate, disasters) will continue to push humanity toward unity.

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Consciousness Expansion & Societal Shifts

• All legacy systems (media, economy, religion, education) are “crumbling” to make space for more conscious, alternative approaches.

  “They’re holding on with band aids... But that’s happening in so many fields—the old guard is crumbling; now there are alternatives.” (77:27)

• New souls being born—both male and female—are “locked and loaded to lead” in new ways; gender energy is blending in the incoming generations.
• Spiritual “equalizer” at work: challenges are matched by growth in collective awakening.

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Practical Advice and Soul Messages

Living With Fear:

• The spiritual antidote for fear is self-love and inner connection:

  “Fear is the absence of love…my biggest thing is, fall in love with yourself so deeply that you, everything you look at is magical.” (90:23)

Purpose of Life:

• “Finding out who you are. Remembering.” (97:14)
• Focus on your unique journey; don’t let others dissuade you.

  “Stay on your path, regardless of where it goes…That is the journey. Don’t let anybody tell you not to. Don’t hold back.” (97:58, 98:18)

On God/Source:

• “Love. You have to love everything. It’s you, it’s me, it’s all of this we’ve created. I believe we’re creating whatever Source wants to experience….it’s nothing outside of us; it never will be.” (96:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Drama & Frequency:

  “The more you get in drama, you start disconnecting...your frequency is not high.” – Alex Ferrari (08:51)

• On Healing and Laughter:

  “Laughter is one of the best medicines...no one from the other side ever has said, ‘I wish I would have held back from that fun, laughter...or love.’”(09:04) – Jennifer Shaffer

• On Soul Contracts and Family:

  “My daughter came here to be my insurance policy to stay [alive]. She said, ‘If you make it, you’re going to have the best life ever.’" (93:47) – Jennifer Shaffer

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Important Timestamps

• Personal Origin Story: (03:12 – 07:15)
• Intuitive Abilities Explained: (07:39 – 08:12)
• Childhood Struggles & Depression: (13:23 – 17:46)
• First Encounters With the Spirit World: (17:16 – 19:15)
• Crime Work & Ethical Intuition: (24:22 – 31:19)
• Alzheimer’s & Soul Experience: (40:03 – 44:16)
• Yogananda & Personal Meditation Experience: (66:15 – 70:36)
• Energetic Pulse of Humanity / Post-Election Forecast: (71:16 – 74:44)
• Cracking of Old Systems: (77:21 – 77:59)
• Advice For Those in Fear: (89:13 – 91:54)
• Rapid-Fire Spiritual Questions: (92:15 – 97:19)
• Final Message from the Other Side: (97:58 – 98:44)

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Tone & Style

This episode maintains the warm, candid, and gently humorous tone that characterizes both Alex Ferrari and Jennifer Shaffer. Their deep spiritual insights are always grounded, non-dogmatic, and offered with humility and lightness—even when discussing weighty topics like death or societal collapse. Listeners are encouraged to embrace their own paths, find self-love, and trust in a collective evolution toward greater unity and consciousness.

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Connect

• Jennifer Schaefer: jenniferschaefer.com
• Podcast: Hacking the Afterlife (with Richard Martini)
• Next Level Soul: nextlevelsoul.tv

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Summary by Next Level Soul Podcast Summarizer, 2026

Transcript

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[Alex Ferrari]

Welcome to Next Level Soul, the place where we deep dive into the mysteries of existence, uncover hidden layers of consciousness, and explore the journey of the soul. I'm your host, Alex Ferrari, and every week we sit down with the world's leading spiritual teachers, mystics, scientists and truth seekers to illuminate the path towards awakening. Here, we ask questions that truly matter. Why are we here? Where are we going? And how do we elevate our lives, our purpose, and our consciousness to the Next level? This is a space for transformation, a space for expansion. A space to remember who you really are. So take a deep breath, open your mind, and prepare to step into your Next Level Soul. Now, if you're ready to take your spiritual journey to the next level, explore Next Level Soul tv, our streaming platform filled with exclusive movies, docs, original shows, transformative series, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks, and deep spiritual teachings you won't find anywhere else. New content Drops every week, helping you expand your consciousness and live from your highest potential. Start your journey today at Next LevelSoul TV. The views, opinions, and statements expressed by our guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect the beliefs or positions of Next Level Soul, its host, or any of the companies they represent. Now let's dive into today's episode. Welcome to the show, Jennifer Schaefer. How you doing, Jennifer?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I'm doing well, thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming down here to Next Level Soul Studios. Appreciate it.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Thanks for having me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, so we. We have a mutual friend, Richard Martini.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Who People loved his episode with me and on the show, and in that show, he mentioned. You just, I think, in two sentences, mentioned that he worked with you or.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what you would do. Literally, that was it. And then fast forward like a month. A month after the episode's release, I get an email from Richard, and you like, who is this Alex? What is going on? I'm booked up. Like, what's happening? He just literally said his name. Is that what happened?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's what happened. Just because Richard Martini said my name on your podcast, I got booked out until next year. And I'm like. And I know that I got booked out because I've had a bunch of other things that have happened, too, but that was. I mean, there was a rush. There was a rush within, like, three days. And it was just. And I love the clients that watch

[Alex Ferrari]

this podcast, people who come. That's what I hear from a lot of my guests is like, the caliber of customer or a caliber of people that are coming to them looking for connection or looking for guidance. It's not the. Can I give lottery ticket numbers, please?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Or, you know, which I've done once.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, they won a dollar. It was Richard Martini. Okay, that was good.

[Alex Ferrari]

That was a nice one. But they're not looking for those kind of very materialistic ideas.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I really don't even have clients like that.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm sure in your career you've had them.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. But the ones now are just like, I just want to know just if I'm stuck or what I should do, if I'm on the right path. What does my soul say? Lately I've been getting. Are my guides happy? They're concerned if their guides are happy. I'm like, wow, I've never even thought of that. You know, like, are you guys happy with me?

[Alex Ferrari]

I think they're. I think they're okay. Now we're talking about what you do. Like, everybody watching knows what you do. Can you tell everybody a little bit about what you actually do?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So I. I have been fortunate enough to be able to tap into, you know, to take intuition into a different space. So they believe. I'll tell you where it started. They believe that because I had seizures as a little kid at three and a half months old, that that was the cause of all of this. Okay. My Mormon parents believe that, and they've done studies on my brain, and so they believe that was the gateway. Whether that was the gateway or whether or not it was my bicycling accident where I broke eight bones of my face. Cause I was a professional triathlete. Who knows? I'm pretty sure I charted it so I'd have it, you know, when I had seizures, they brought me in, my mom would race me to the hospital. And every single time my seizures were gone, they're like, this woman's crazy. Finally, it lasted long enough where I was black and blue. And it's called the larynx strider seizure. There was a British doctor on staff, and he said, I've seen this before. I was the eighth documented case for this. Wow. And it was. They fed me belladonna. So. Belladonna. What belladonna does? Is it. So when you have a seizure, your blood vessels get restricted. Belladonna relaxes them. And they use it for, you know, a lot of eye doctors use it to dilate the eyes, you know, and it has to be done a very special way. And this doctor's like, I've seen this. Let's get some belladonna. And everybody's like. My mom said, everybody's like, what are you talking about? To give a three and a half month old. Belladonna was very risky, but the alternative was also risky. And so I was basically being given psychedelics at three and a half months old. Because it's a psychedelic, essentially, I eventually. And a poison. It's a poison and a psychedelic. So eventually I grew out of my seizures, but they believed that was the gateway.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's very interesting. So please let everybody. Don't go out and buy this thinking you're going to become psychic. That's not the way this works.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Not the way it works.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's not the way it works. But it sounds like it did open up those gateways. Definitely it opened up the channel, if you will, for lack of a better word, allowed you to. It raised your frequency or your receiver up enough that you can now receive.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Receiver. Yeah, receiver. I believe everybody has this. And I'm sure everybody said this. You Know, everybody says it when they're here. All I do for clients is I put their awareness towards what they innately already have. That's what I do. So everyone's connected. And if everybody would remember that, that they're always connected. But some days you wake up and I'm like, for me, I might not feel like I'm connected, but to know that you're always connected. All I do is I put their awareness towards it.

[Alex Ferrari]

But it's the drama that we get caught up in that disconnects us. Correct. So the more that we get caught up in the. This world's dramas, which sometimes those dramas are very difficult to get out of because they've been, you know, they're very heavy. They're family.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They're kind of fun.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, it depends on it. There's some dramas not so fun, but. But we get caught up in like, let's say our family dynamic or those are relationships or work or our body image or whatever it is. It's a drama. And the more you get in there, you kind of start disconnecting. Well, your frequency is not high. You're thinking of a lower. You're basically lower vibration, lower frequency, right?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then if you start to meditate, if you start to watch spiritual content or watch conscious content or watch things that uplift you, even laughing will bring you up.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They've done studies on laughing. It helps. You know, they had a bunch of cancer patients that they've done studies with that. I mean, laughter is one of the best medicines. It's very interesting talking to Rich Martini about this. No one from the other side ever has said, I wish I would have held back. I wish I would have held back from that fun or that laughter or that kiss or that love, you know, within reason, mind you. But we hold ourselves back. So when you talk about, like, the drama or the inability to get happy. Right. Because a lot of times people look for outside happiness, which never works.

[Alex Ferrari]

Never.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Never. Once you find it inside through. I call it wish making meditation, which I did not do until last year. I thought, they've done studies on my brain and I'm in that meditative. I'm technically in that meditative state my whole day at work.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And so I'm like, why do I need to do that? You know? And first of all, every time I go quiet, dead people show up. So there's that. And so I'm afraid, like, live people show up. So I pay more attention to that. That's a whole different story. But, yeah, back to Your point? When you get caught up into that family drama, your frequency doesn't jump.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And so when you go inward, you know, just by saying in, you're already going up. And there is not a. This is not a hierarchy or an elevation thing. It's about just knowing that once you know that you're okay. Like, I'm okay. I'm safe. Just the primal stuff. Right. Am I fed? Like, just that stuff alone, you know, which a lot of our country does. You know, our country and all this world doesn't have that. Just the basics.

[Alex Ferrari]

I heard. I heard 50 Cent say something the other day. I love him. Or Fitty, as we like to call him on the street. He is a. You know, he says things that are very profound sometimes.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

He says, depression is a luxury. And I said, he goes, where I come from, depression is a luxury. You can't be depressed. You got to get up and you got to go work. Because if not, I'm going to get kicked out on the street. So you might be depressed at work, you might be upset and not feeling well, but you go and you do it because there's no other choice. And I never. He goes, depression is a luxury.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I was like, that's love. That.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that insane? From where. From his point of view, where he came from, from those kind of the streets and. And his. His economic background that he's. I get. I completely get it. My. My parents, who were, you know, lower middle class, they. That generation. Depression.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I was one of seven children. I am one of seven children, I should say. There was no time for that. There was no time. I'm sorry. Can you, like.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

And now back to the show. I need. Yeah, it's. I mean, I get it, though. I mean, I'm not making depression and all that Stuff. But his point of view. But his point of view was really interesting. Is like, yeah, it's all about mindset in a lot of ways. And again, I'm not making light of depression by any stretch. We've all. I know people are clinically depressed.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I get it. Well, back to depression. When I was a kid, I was severely depressed and I had no idea what was going on. I was a straight A student, but I'd stay home like once a week, and my mom was just like, what's going on? Well, I thought about suicide all throughout my childhood, but I had no reason to. I was captive of assembling squad. I had straight A's, I had this and that, which made it worse. But I thought about suicide and I now know why. It's because I think when you grow up, when you're a little kid, you get these little insights about, okay, so I want to be a dancer. You get a dance coach. I want to play soccer. You go become part of a team. I see dead people or I feel the other side, or I feel that love that's not there. Right. And you think about suicide. There's no death school to go to when eventually you'll be working with it.

[Alex Ferrari]

So let me ask you that. Let's go back a little bit because I always love asking this question, too.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Unpack it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let's unpack that for a second. Let's dig deeper down that rabbit hole. When you were of psychic mediums, I always ask the question like, okay, when. I mean, you obviously early on had this. When the first dead person showed up, what did you do? Did you freak out? Because as an adult, when that happens to you, it's freaky. But as a child, I've heard from. And I've heard from others as a child, they just make it normalized. They're like, oh, it's just Uncle Bob. He's always there. How was it for you?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I just saw people floating around. I was raised Mormon, very religious family.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's. So I know many Mormons. I have many Mormon friends.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

But you know what, though? Being raised Mormon made it to where I. Even if I knew how to kill myself, I wouldn't do it. Because you're taught that if you do, you can't get to the highest kingdom.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right? Of course.

[Alex Ferrari]

Of course.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's the worst thing you can do.

[Alex Ferrari]

Did you say anything?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I didn't say anything, no. So what I would tell my mom, I'm like, can I get glasses? Because I just saw things floating around. It was Hazy. It was hazy. And it looked. You know, if you look at a hot street and you see that gassy look that goes up. My whole world looks like that constantly. And at nighttime, even like last night, I have to have one of those universal lights that goes up on the wall so that way I can see the lights and not everything in between, because otherwise it makes my heart race. And I can't sometimes, even though nothing can hurt me, you know, it's just. It's kind of one of those things. So I would go. My mom. I'll never forget this. It was $40 to get my eyes checked back then. And I was the only child that had 2020 vision that kept wanting glasses. All the rest of the kids had glasses and contacts. I was the only one, and I was the one kid that wanted them. And they're like, you have 20, 20 vision. I'm like, I just don't understand. This stuff is just not moving.

[Alex Ferrari]

And there's no. Obviously no one there to guide you.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

There's no one. There was no one. No books, no podcasts, nothing. No death school.

[Alex Ferrari]

No death school.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And so that's a whole nother thing. So a lot of kids that thought about suicide, and I've worked with a lot of psychiatrists. I actually share an office with a psychiatrist who I love, Denise. I've worked with a lot of other, you know, people in the arena of mental health and help guiding them. When a kid thinks about suicide, they actually might be working with the other side. They don't want you over there. That would defeat the purpose. But they want you to remember that you will be working within. That could be a doctor, that could be a policeman, that could be a fireman. You could be in law enforcement. You know, eventually you're going to be working with the other side in some capacity. It's not for you to commit suicide. And there's like, I helped this girl not commit suicide once, and she now works because I said, I'm like, you're thinking about suicide, but you don't even know why. But you tag it to something that's going wrong in your life versus what it's about. I'm like, you're gonna be working forensics. Well, she works forensics now, but that she had no idea at the age of 12 or 13 that that's what she'd be doing.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, as you're seeing, I call Uncle Bob. Uncle Bob's floating around. And did you just see them or did you start speaking to them?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, I would have this internal dialogue Which I now know what it is. But back then I didn't know. And I just would sit there and kind of, you know, I didn't understand it, but it would come. I always felt very calm. I never felt scared ever. I just felt very calm. It was very loving. But I, again, didn't know. I just thought everybody else saw everything.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you heard, when you start hearing again, because you were so young when this happened, when kids, they just. Whatever comes at them, they just come like, oh, I guess this is the way it is. Because they have no reference point.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when the voices start coming into your head and you start seeing Uncle

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Bob floating around, well, there's worse. So my earliest childhood memory was when we were. And I'll explain why, because it's not just about dead people. It's about seeing the future as well and feeling it. But not that part is what's really, you know, what's really scary. So one of my earliest memories was not wanting to go across the street and this wonderful Mormon parents family. We, you know, we were raised in a big Mormon family. I was raised in a big Mormon family. Everybody would go play, but I would never go to their house. I'm like, there's just something really wrong. I just had this and I didn't understand it. My dad's like, I don't understand it. You know, I'm like, I just felt bad. Well, 25 years later, somebody in that household killed five people.

[Alex Ferrari]

25 years after.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

25 years later, the person that I did not want to play with, did not want to go over to that house, ended up killing five people in Texas. And this was down in California. And I knew the people that he killed. I knew the people that, you know, I mean, it was.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you felt it 25 years earlier.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

So even if you would have gone over and played with him, it wouldn't have been. He would have been fine because he was a kid.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Really.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So that was my earliest memory of just going, no, I can't be over there, you know, at any cost. It just was so scary to me.

[Alex Ferrari]

And it was a feeling.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It was just a feeling.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's not anyone telling you, hey, don't go over there.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

No.

[Alex Ferrari]

So. So as you're getting older, and this is fascinating because I haven't had a. I'm assuming ex Mormon, I guess.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yes, yes. So I appreciate the way I was raised, but I like wine. I. I like sex.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Psychedelics, there's a few things that they frown upon that they might not like.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly. So as a former.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yes.

[Alex Ferrari]

As a former Mormon, this is what I find fascinating, is I haven't had a former Mormon psychic before. I've had recovering Catholics.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I was one of the first Mormon wives.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, exactly.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So all of your wives.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when you. As. I'm assuming this is getting stronger and stronger as you're getting older.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. Meditation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And you start meditating and start amping up even more.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm assuming the spirit guides come in at a certain point. You start. And you do search out books or some sort of guidance about.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So I. My first book was a. It was by Dr. Brian Weiss, many Lives, Many Masters, which I actually put a paper bag over. I covered it up because I thought, if my husband sees me with this book, he's either gonna think it's a sex book. Many Lives, Many Masters, or it's a spiritual book. And I didn't know which one was worse for him to see at the time.

[Alex Ferrari]

And he was Mormon as well?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

No, no, no. But I've been married to my husband for 23 years, so this was, like, 20 years ago.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay, fair enough.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

But it was one of those things. And so that kind of. I'm like, it resonated with me. It was the most fascinating. I've met Dr. Brian Weiss, and I love him, and it was the most fascinating book to me. And I'm like, that's what put me on my path and to really go in deeper, because I'm like, I need to understand this. I had no intentions of doing this for work. And then I got kind of brought into it because I work with law enforcement. I started working with law enforcement, and I started working on cases. Well, this is in my. This was in my 40s, early 40s.

[Alex Ferrari]

Okay. So there's a big jump between teens and 40s.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. I was a stockbroker. I managed a half a billion dollars for 10 years.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you were Jesus.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So, like. And I'm imagining you're using some of the psychic abilities for Psychic abc.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I knew everything about my clients, but even my boyfriends, my friends would call me psychic. I didn't even know how to spell the word. I had such a rough connotation towards it, which was interesting at that time period, too.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was not the.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. And I say intuitive. Like, I just call myself an intuitive because I'm also a medical intuitive and investigate all the things that. It doesn't matter. Right. I help people, and that's really what I want to do.

[Alex Ferrari]

The word psychic has a charge to. It just like the word God has a charge. People charge to it.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

If I don't want a conversation, I'll say that word.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you say intuitive, that's a different.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah, it's a. It even feels different.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, the word intuitive is so much.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Nicer. It does. It doesn't. It doesn't come with baggage. Psychics, you know, you think about, oh, it's the old gypsy lady at the carnival, you know, in the back room.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Like, my office has an ocean view.

[Alex Ferrari]

Exactly.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Like I'm not in a back room.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, it's. But that was what it was. Because coming up over the last. Even the last couple thousand years.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. Here, give me. Let me take away your karma. Give me $10,000. I mean, the stuff that you hear, oh, my God. It's just awful.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's heartbreaking.

[Alex Ferrari]

And there's so many. There's so many scammers out there. There's so many people.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I can't change that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. And that's. But that's in every industry, by the way. You weren't. You were in finance. Let's. Let's not talk about that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let's not talk about. Actually, I think the finance guys have done a lot worse than psychics have ever done.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I think you're right.

[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show. They've done a lot more damage than the occasional. I'll take your karma.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

Child's play, actually.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is it? I have to dance naked in the. I have to dance naked in the. In the cemetery. To relieve this of you, I'll need five grand. I've heard these stories. You don't want to dance naked, right? Just give me the money. I'll do it. Don't worry about it.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my.

[Alex Ferrari]

These kind of things.

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[Alex Ferrari]

So at what point did you come out of the intuitive closet to not only your surrounding colleagues, but the Mormon family and the Mormon friends?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That was so painful.

[Alex Ferrari]

Before you go into that, one thing I've noticed about Mormons in general and my Mormon friend, I have many Mormon friends. Yeah, they're very unjudgmental.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They are.

[Alex Ferrari]

They're very unjudgmental. They're very sweet. You could be talking about something that completely goes against what they believe, and they'd be like, okay, as opposed to the Catholics or the Christians or, you know, or, you know, or Muslims or many other. That they. They literally will come to grips. But I've never seen that from the Muslim community.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So I just want to say that the Mormon. Yeah, well, my dad was a Mormon bishop when he passed away, and he was, you know, one of my biggest. Like, he ended up being one of my biggest fans. But he was not happy when he started hearing about this. And so when I came out of my closet, there was actually somebody down the street passed away, somebody that I didn't never knew. The night that he passed away, he showed me and told me everything that happened, how I was going to be talking to his wife later on, how I. The autopsy report was going to come back saying that he had, you know, that he had something that was developed in childhood, that that's what he died from, not based upon the circumstances. Every single thing that he showed me ended up coming out. And I was just terrified, like, what do I do with this? And one of my girlfriends down the street, she goes, please talk to her. Talk to the wife. And I did talk to the wife, and every single thing ended up being true. And then the whole. My whole community in Manhattan beach, you know, started talking about it. And so that kind of led to my first case. That kind of led to.

[Alex Ferrari]

How did you get a case?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Another friend, Julie Greenwald, another friend said. She goes, I have, you know, I have somebody that. Their daughter in Colorado. There's some weird stuff that happened around surrounding her passing. And they said it was natural causes. And it just doesn't make sense. Would you be willing to talk to the parrots? That's it. And I said, sure. And I didn't know it. You know, I was so. I knew way more back then than I do now. The more you know, the less you know. But the more you understand that statement. I know nothing compared to what I thought I knew then. But I still, when I met them, I'll never forget looking down, going, their daughter was murdered. I don't know if they know this or not. And if I tell them their whole lives are going to change. Do I, do you know, just because you know something doesn't mean you say it. But I was told to say it. And it took them on a whole different trajectory. But all the evidence I gave them about her being stalked, about her being killed, all matched up with what they had. But yet there's a, there's a lot of politics in Colorado. And the sheriff's department has an old rule that's a hundred year old rule that says that the Colorado Bureau of Investigations, no one can come in and take over. And because of that they could say natural causes. And they eventually made it into suicide, which just shuts it down. Then no one can open up the case. And they have more suicides in Colorado than they do murders because they don't investigate.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh my God, it's brutal.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's brutal. They don't have the manpower. They don't have, and I have, I'm telling you, hundreds and hundreds of cases, but these parents should never have had to go through what they went through.

[Alex Ferrari]

You mentioned something that's really interesting about knowing information and saying information.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

I've, I've heard from since, I mean, I've had my, my spiritual guide, Connie, who's been on the show forever and she's a site, she's a channeler.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I love it.

[Alex Ferrari]

She's, she's wonderful. She's the one that got us, she's the one that got me on this thing in the first place. Yay. But I've known. She was the one that told me years ago when I was in my 20s. She's like, just because I know something doesn't mean that I'm allowed to tell you.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

And she's like, I know a lot about you that I can't tell you either yet or at all.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because if I do, it will change the trajectory of your life.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's it.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that is the, the kind of code of a intuitive psychic medium where just because you have the information doesn't

[Jennifer Schaefer]

mean you see it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is it moral? Is it right? Like if I go, so, Jennifer, can you tell me about when I'm gonna die? Like, can you. I'm sure that's been asked a lot of time and I would never want that information ever.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I was told at the age of 21 when I was gonna die.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's horrible. I'm sorry. I know, I'm sorry, but I thought,

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I'm like, it's so far away. I'M gonna be fine. Well, it'. But that's a whole different story.

[Alex Ferrari]

And things could change. Things can change.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, now I know it actually is a death. Based upon my chart, I'm starting a whole different.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's a different kind of death. I get you. I've had multiple deaths in this life. Multiple.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's like you keep coming back.

[Alex Ferrari]

I am a spiritual podcast host at this point in the game. There's been a death from where I came from. There's no question about it. So I got here. So. Absolutely. But that's a really key point for people listening when they're trying to find God guidance through a intuitive or a psychic medium, that if you have someone telling you, like, I remember I went to. I don't even know if she was real or not. But this is years here. I mean, this is years in my 20s. And she was like, I see this. What do you want to. I'll tell you whatever you want. And, like, it was just kind of like, whatever you want me to tell you. I'll tell you. It was. There was no. There was no com. There was no guarding it. There was nothing. It was just kind of like a kind of thing.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It just.

[Alex Ferrari]

And then she was in the back of a crystal shop. So I. You know,

[Jennifer Schaefer]

they use fear, too. And that's not. That's. No one from the other side works upon bear. I have had. Where I'm like, I get information that the only time I ever say it is if they're in danger.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's the only time I've ever. And I've had to say it. I'm like, just, if this happens, you know, don't get on the plane. I'm like, don't get on the plane. I can't even. Yeah, don't get on the plane.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's something really important for people looking for guidance because there are a lot of hucksters out there. There are a lot of people who are not morally guided because just. And I want people to understand, just because you've got this gift doesn't mean you're a good person.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

No, no, not at all. I would like to think I am, but I easily know how good witchcraft can be used as bad, you know, as something. It's a consciousness.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct. So. And I want people to be very clear on that because people automatically think, oh, they've been gifted with the. With the gift to see my dead grandmother. Or I could tell you the future. That doesn't make them good people.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

No. And by the way, with Quantum physics. And with different, different realities out there, we can get something in the future that might not be in this reality as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

Let's go now. Let's unpack that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So, you know, so we've talked about

[Alex Ferrari]

on the show with quantum physicists about the multiple parallel reality, the multiverse, and that every time we make a decision, a major decision, right? Not catch up or no catch up, but major decision, it can shift off into essentially endless realities that we are living in currently. So in other words, there's a reality where you are the host and I am the psychic. So there, there, I'm sure something could work. Exploring.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, Jimi Hendrix is always the host, always in the afterlife when anybody crosses over there, it's the weirdest thing. Jimmy Hendrix, Jimi Hendrix is the guy that greets people. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that. I'm like, no, is it Jimmy Hendrix? It's Jimi Hendrix. It's just. So we talk about that. But that's just funny that you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, the one I get a lot of is Robin. Robin Williams.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I love him.

[Alex Ferrari]

I know. I love him. I love Robin, too. I don't want to go down the rabbit hole with Robin Williams, but. But he pops up a lot too, as well, for people and for myself as well all the time. He's just absolutely adored him. When he died, I was in mourning for about two weeks and I couldn't

[Jennifer Schaefer]

understand why he took with him how a lot of people felt in their lives.

[Alex Ferrari]

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And now back to the show.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

How many times. I mean, I know I didn't want to stay here early on, you know, And I'm like, what did you do? I was. And then we get angry. We get through that angry feel like, how did you leave? Why did you leave? You know, but he's. It goes back like he's given me some of the most. The greatest advice in the world, like, love what love is. Like love, love. You know, it's just.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's absolutely fascinating. But I do wanted to clear that up for people because just because you're a channel or you're psychic or your psychic medium does not mean that you are morally correct. That means that you are on the right path, that you have your best interest in mind. It's very. Just be very cautious.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I've learned it with crime work because I would teach other people because I would think, you know, more eyes on the scene and the unseen is better than just me because there's so much, you know, when I'm on the phone with a bunch of agents. That's a lot, you know, and to take that all on your own is a lot. But what I've taught them is I'm like, so if you're talking to a mother and the daughter's missing, you know, you might get certain images and if you have any compromising thoughts, like if you. Something, you know, if something bad happened to you when you were little and you bring that into a case, that's going to affect you because you're compromised. I think I'm very lucky because I knock on wood. Other than being raised Mormon, I don't think any. I've had anything really severely bad happen to me. And so I don't bring that into cases. That being said, if a girl gets affected by somebody or somebody does something to this girl and the mom, you're looking at the mom. You don't tell the mom, oh, by the way, your daughter was xyz. You don't have proof of that. She, like, always ask, you know, when you're an intuitive, I always have to ask him, like, do I give this information? And a lot of times I get told no. She'll bring it up, or the person will bring it up later on, and then you'll be able to confirm it.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you're asking the other side. So who's telling you? What's the voice?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I think it's. I think it's usually the. It depends. Sometimes it's the person that's been killed, sometimes it's the person that. Sometimes it's my guides, sometimes it's my higher self, like, to see, you know, I had to let go of. Unless I really felt them. I had to let go of where it came from. I had to trust that because that could get in your way as well.

[Alex Ferrari]

So we went off topic for a second. What happened when you opened up to your Mormon family and your friends and your colleagues? Hey, guys, I'm an adult.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

My friends are like, can you stop doing drugs?

[Alex Ferrari]

You're California or New York? Where are you?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

California.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're in California during this time?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

South Bay. So it wasn't. At the time I actually was. So it wasn't even like, I wasn't drinking. There were no drugs. There was nothing involved. And I'm like, listen, I'm not here to say I'm a medium. I'm doing this and that. I just need to explore it, because if I don't, it's gonna. Something else is gonna happen, you know, I don't want any more here. Let's smash her face here. Let's do this, let's do that. And I just need to understand it. And I was very lucky that I had some great teachers take me underneath their wing. And, like, we're gonna teach you everything because it's learning languages, you know, just because I see it doesn't matter. That doesn't mean what comes through here has any correlation to what I'm seeing. And past, present, future shows up in the same place. That's another thing that intuitives get a little bit offsided with. You have to figure out time that, you know, just because you might say, oh, my gosh, I feel this, this, and this. That might have already happened. You have to do your checking.

[Alex Ferrari]

You know what? That's so funny, because I get that all the time. I have a unique perspective. I talk to so many of you weirdos.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, you walked out. Can we just talk about. You called me today, like, I just want to make sure where you are. You literally walked out when I was coming up, like.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I turned to you, goes, because, you know, I'm psychic.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I'm like, how did you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, oh, yeah, there's so many. I speak to so many people, like you and channelers and these kind of things. So when I've had readings done and I've heard people get readings, is that sometimes you're trying to interpret the images that are coming in. Sometimes it's voice, but a lot of times it's just images that are popping into your mind. So you're trying to go, okay, there's this guy. He did this or that. I see a B. Is his name Bob? Is it Bob? I think Bob's dead. I'm not sure. Is Bob dead? And you're like, yeah, that's my Uncle William. Okay, great. Bob's dead. Okay, great. Because you don't know if he's alive or not.

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

You're trying to figure it out. And so I have come to a conclusion for myself. Every medium works differently. Tyler Henry, I love him.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, he does the scribbling.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

He does the scribbling. So I scribble a little bit, too. That's just. But I need a name. So a lot of people are like, well, if you needed a name, then maybe you're not. I'm like, no, this is how I work on all my cases. I asked for a name, and I ask, do you know, like, when I work with law enforcement, do you know if they're dead or not? I'm not gonna spend my time trying to. That's a waste of time. I need to know so that way I can figure out what we're looking for versus just I'm over the fact of. I know they're not trying to test me anymore either. It's not like that. And so, yeah, we need to, like, you know, if you're immediate, like, are they dead? Are they alive? You can fill into it as well. So when someone dies a certain way, I get the chills a certain way. When they die from a. When I get called into a case or into a missing person case, I can feel them if they're dead. But I always. You know, that gets very tricky, too, because you have to make sure you're like, wait a second. It comes to you so differently. But I have learned, too, that somebody could be alive and have a psychotic break, and it feels the same way as somebody dead.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

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[Alex Ferrari]

Because they just disconnected.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Correct. Somebody that has Alzheimer's, somebody that's in a coma, they feel dead to me. Can you.

[Alex Ferrari]

Can you connect to people that have Alzheimer's?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, yeah. It's so fun. They're having the time of their lives.

[Alex Ferrari]

So can you explain? Because there's so many people. You know, I have family members. There's so many people who are struggling with that, and it seems to be rampant, rampant now in a way that I haven't really seen in history before. Like, there's so much more of that happening. I'm sure environmental, I'm sure foods, all that kind of stuff that's going towards it. But can you explain to people what's happening to these souls and why they would choose to do this?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I never feel sorry for anybody that has Alzheimer's or dementia. I feel sorry for their caregivers. Yeah, they are having the time of their life. Anytime I. Like, anytime I'm talking to somebody and I'll sit there and I'll start laughing. They're bawling in front of me because they're telling me. I'm like, did this person have Alzheimer's or are they on the other side? Do they have Alzheimer's? And I'll start laughing because I'm like, she's with her first boyfriend. And here the person that has Alzheimer's is married and blah, blah, blah. And usually they're like, what? I'm like, she's having fun with somebody that was in the military, that passed away, and she's saying, it's her first boyfriend. They know what I'm talking about. She's really having an experience on the other side with the person that she was with before her husband.

[Alex Ferrari]

So they're just having.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

She's back in that time period. They get to go travel in any time period. They can be with their husband in a different time period.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's very much what dreams may come.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Absolutely.

[Alex Ferrari]

You can create whatever reality you are. On the other side.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

We have so much to learn from them. Like, I was talking to some because I'm on the LA chapter. I was on the LA chapter last year for Alzheimer's, the Alzheimer's committee. I'm like, have you guys ever studied them in a way? Their bodies. Their bodies stay living forever, right? How many times have you heard when someone has dementia, they just. They live for a very long time. It's because they're not tied to their body. They're not constantly feeding it that information of, you're fat, you have cancer, you have this, you have that, you have this. You know, they're not tied to their bodies, so their bodies last forever.

[Alex Ferrari]

Is that why? Okay, so now we're gonna go down another rabbit hole. I love this, because that makes sense to me. Because throughout history. Now we're gonna go into ancient mysteries a bit. Throughout history, there has been explanations of, or stories of people living 800 years. Moses. These kind of things are in the. I mean, our sir here, Babaji, is supposedly 2500 years or older, and he's still walking the earth. There's many of them that last for long, long, long. So is it because that they're. They are disconnecting from. First of all, they're not beating themselves up. So that's base one. Yeah. Like, let's just start from there. From scratch.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Fat.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Like, Moses is not going, am I? Oh, God. I just. I just feel a little pudgy today. Like, you don't hear Moses doing that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

A little swollen from the pain I feel.

[Alex Ferrari]

I get too much pizza. I'm holding the sodium. But. So you don't hear that from these. And you never hear that from. You hear stories of like a Yogananda. I use him a lot. He was a recent ascended master who just. Who left us in the 50s.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So beautiful.

[Alex Ferrari]

But you don't hear stories of them. You never hear Yogananda going, oh, God, too much curry last night.

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They're in a different level.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They're creating their realities from elsewhere. That's what we're supposed to do. We could learn so much from them.

[Alex Ferrari]

So when we're creating our realities from elsewhere. Hence the other side.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Meditation.

[Alex Ferrari]

Meditation. These kind of things going up. Your body can arguably sustain itself differently because it's not being bombarded with that kind of negative energy that we're. Or just living strictly from this place. Because there's a time limit in this place.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Correct.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's the rules. Yes, but when you. But when you transcend the code, I'll use the code as the matrix. When you understand the code and you start to transcend it, you can live. That's. There's stories of yogis living for hundreds of years.

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[Alex Ferrari]

We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. And now back to the show they live when they leave, whenever they want. Yeah, Jurgenanda's like, tonight I'm leaving. He told his people, he told his followers. Tonight, I'm going to leave. No, no, Paramahansa, you're not going. No, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna leave. And when I leave, the words of India will be in my lips. And the last sentence he said was something about India. And then he just dropped. Had a heart. According. Had a heart attack. These kind of things. So it's really fascinating. I wanted to kind of go down that road and what we were going with that. But anyway, back to Alzheimer's. I'm sorry. So that's why they. Because you're right. I had. Oh, my God. I had grandmother. I had an aunt that they just. They just wouldn't die. And there was nothing wrong with them. Like, they were just sitting there and they would not. They would eat.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Their bodies would eat. They would do everything normally.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Doesn't matter.

[Alex Ferrari]

But they just. Eight years, nine years, and we're just like my. What kind of existence.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right, Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

So I want you.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

But it's so inhumane.

[Alex Ferrari]

And I want to. And I want to bring this up because there's so many people who are feeling so guilty about their loved ones.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, that's the other thing. Oh, so many great things. So the other thing that Alzheimer's. The people that have Alzheimer's, they. They know how loved. They actually feel that the person. So, you know, how many times do we hear like, I couldn't make it over there. I couldn't see that. You know, my grandma. I wish I would have there more, but I couldn't. You know, it was too far away. I'm like, she thinks you're there right now. They think that you're right there. They don't have a proximity.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's no anger. They're not bitter.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They're not bitter. They're bitter when they wake up. Meaning when they realize they're here. Like, why am I here? Like, they get so confused.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm going back to the 50s with my boyfriend.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. I want to get back to him. I don't even like him. Like, what's going on here? And why are you so old? You know, could you imagine? And so, like, the other thing that I was shown recently, too, was that when people pass over. Yes. They have to give me the information of how they die, because that's how I. You know, that's the. I'm an evidential medium. That's what I want to give my clients to make sure that they know their hair. And when they do, they don't. They don't take the last day because how many people feel bad? Like, I was supposed to be there and I couldn't make my flight. And whatever. They don't take the last day, they show me what happened so I can give you that information. They get to take all the love that was ever given to them by that person all at once. When they take their breath on the other side.

[Alex Ferrari]

Interesting.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

At once. Could you Imagine you hear about that love, right?

[Alex Ferrari]

It all comes flooding in, flooding in,

[Jennifer Schaefer]

like they don't care. They don't sit there going, I can't believe shouldn't happen. Make it to say me goodbye. You know, when I'm on my deathbed. They don't, they don't ever. I've never heard that from anybody.

[Alex Ferrari]

And that really does sync up because all the near death experiencers I've talked about and talked to, they never say that. There was that right there. They don't take that with them on the other side.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They never do.

[Alex Ferrari]

If they're going to the other side, they don't. I mean, when I say that and we could talk about the spirits that stay here, we could talk about that later. But if they are, if they are on the other side going towards the light and all that, at that level, they don't bring anything like that negativity or any of that stuff with them. They do it at the certain, at the beginning. They do bring. And to my understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, they bring some of their programming with them until they are kind of cleaned out of that, meaning that you need to see Jesus or you need to see this or see that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I had actually I felt I had like a near death experience, I believe, during a meditation where I completely left my body to the point of that bliss that you feel. And I got to this place when I left my body that nothing was outside of me. Like, but it was this bliss that had, you know, everything. Like, my husband wasn't outside, even my kids. I didn't need to know where they were. Like, it wasn't that. It was literally a game where I'm like, oh my gosh, this is my world. This is what I've created. This is like. And I'm like, I can't believe it's just like this. Like they're really the oneness that I felt I will hold onto forever because it was every single thing just all of a sudden went away. So everything that's in this room just went away. But yet was there in. And it wasn't. I didn't see myself. You know, I felt another presence there. And then I got drawn back to my body. But just those moments and I thought I was gone for like two minutes. I was gone for two hours. I had no idea. And it was the most surreal thing that I've ever felt, ever. And I just. And I sit there, I'm like, every time, every interaction, like, how lucky am I to have this interaction? I Created this, you know, but it's not. I. It's. We created this. It's this whole. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say I. There is no I. There is absolutely zero. It is all of us collaborating, which, you know, it goes back to that collaboration of what we're doing to create. But if we can take that matrix. So going back to that box, like, if we give. And taking the Alzheimer's box and taking even my crime boxes that I work out of, you know, how I remote view. If we can kind of compile them all together and really look into, like, okay, so they're out there. People that have Alzheimer's, they get to go and have all the fun they want. Right? And they get to have all those feelings that they want. How do we create that from here where we have the same.

[Alex Ferrari]

There's something I've heard from. I forgot who it was that told me this. They all blur together after I talked to so many people on the show, but they were saying about Alzheimer's patients that if they had a particularly tough life, a lot of times they just want to forget. They don't want to be here anymore, but they don't want to leave, so they don't. So, you know, there are family members I have right now who particularly had a pretty rough life. People weren't really nice to them, though. They gave a lot and so on, and they. They just want to kind of forget. So they literally manifest themselves into this disease to kind of disconnect from the pain of all of that. Where they're in this happy place. Does that make sense to you?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. So when you're mentioning this, you have somebody right now. Can I tell you what comes up?

[Alex Ferrari]

Please.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So one of them. It feels like it had to do with. They're not ready to say goodbye to someone. They don't want to leave this other person. They also. Church came in in a weird way, so them not either going or feeling bad that they didn't go, but not being able to do anything about it. Now, that I think has played a part, because whoever they're with is a churchgoer or fills it or something like that. They're happy, but there's also somebody that's just not letting them go. It feels like. And that's what they're thinking. It doesn't mean that it's actually happening, but they feel like they're still. If they leave, then everything will fall apart. That's kind of where they're.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's where their mind is that's where

[Jennifer Schaefer]

their mind is when they're here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Whether they believe if with that's true or not, it's another story. That's just their perception. So because of that perception, they're holding on.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. They don't have that much time, though.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I know.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I'm aware. I'm aware.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Again, I asked if I could even say that.

[Alex Ferrari]

No, no, I understand. Yeah, no, no, no, I get it. I want to bring on a lighter note for a second.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

There was a story that Richard told, and I'd love for you to retell it. The story of that. I don't want to give away the punchline. He filmed you in that. There was a movie that he shot you where there was a very famous athlete.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, yeah, that one.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my gosh. He just showed up again this morning on my way here.

[Alex Ferrari]

So tell. Please tell people what the. That story. Because when I heard it, and there's a film of it, by the way, so you could actually see it happening is hilarious.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Okay, well, there's a couple. There's a couple of. I'm not sure about that one. I'm trying to think about, you know,

[Alex Ferrari]

which one I'm talking about.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, I can say this.

[Alex Ferrari]

He's very famous. We had a conversation about him earlier.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Kobe Bryant showed up. Okay. So it's about Kobe. Yeah. Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

By now, you. The punchline.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I'm so sorry. But this is the thing, though. So this morning, I'm like, I don't. You know, I think I already told you. I'm like, as I was thinking about it, I'm like, oh, I wonder what we're gonna talk about. Probably about the cases or whatever. And then Steve Jobs showed up, and I happened. You know, there's a great story behind that. But there. But with Kobe, when he showed up, he just was looking in, and I'm like, what are you doing? You just. What are you doing? You know? And he's just like, just seeing how things work kind of thing. And then he left, and I'm like, that's interesting.

[Alex Ferrari]

First time you met him?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

First time I met him, I'm like,

[Alex Ferrari]

but you knew who he was.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, yeah, I knew who he was, and I was heartbroken over him. We love the Lakers. Heartbroken. And then inevitably, not somebody else should show up. Inevitably, I ended up working with his family. You know, I got introduced to his family, had no idea who they were, started talking to him, and he shows up, and he's like, I told you. You know, And I was talking to his wife and to his daughter, who I absolutely love their family. They wouldn't mind me saying that.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

And it was just interesting how he's kind of come in and out and how he's a. He has helped so many people, so many people, and he has just, you know, his look on life and, you know, what he said to even his wife was just spectacular.

[Alex Ferrari]

So what was that little story that when you didn't know who it was because you didn't know. When you were speaking to the person, you didn't know it was.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I had no idea who they. He blushed. This is another thing they could do. It's not like when you lose your case and you're like, okay, give me my keys. And then all of a sudden they come back, they just make you. They can't. They make it to where you can't see.

[Alex Ferrari]

They know there's something there, somebody there, but they don't give their.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I had no idea. I had no idea who they are. And I'm not even sure about this story. You're gonna have to read.

[Alex Ferrari]

All right, so I'll tell the story and you tell me. Okay. So the story I heard was that you were sitting there with Vanessa is,

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I think her name.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right, Vanessa. And you didn't know who she was. No, because that's the way you like to walk into sessions generally, Right? So you. You're. And you're. And this is recorded. Richard recorded this. Yeah. So you're sitting there and you're talking about. And it goes. There's this guy here, I think. And then you're, like, arguing with him. Like, I'm not gonna say that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my gosh. That.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. So you could take it from here.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Okay. So as I'm looking at her and I'm talking to this person, I'm like, no, I'm not gonna say it. He goes, will you just tell her? And I'm like, oh, he wants to know if he can pinch your ass. And she looked at me, and I was just mortified. And she goes, those were the first five words he ever said to me. And I clocked him kind of thing. You know, she kind of laughed about it. I'm like, something that simple. But I fought him about saying it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Cause you didn't know what a reference was I had.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I'm like, I'm not gonna talk about her ass. What are you doing? You can't just come in here. I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. But all the things is, you know, working with. I have a lot of celebrity clients that are just normal people, but are considered that way. And I don't ever say anything that's on the Internet. First of all, I don't know when I walk into a room who they. You know, who they're going to be. But also, it's just. I mean, I don't have the capacity. But, you know, because they're thinking, oh, they looked me up. You know, you can't help but think that too. But nothing that comes through. And something is the other wonderful thing he said to his daughter. And it was so simple. And I thought him on it too. He goes, tell her I love her to the moon and back, and tell her about Lake Como and tell her it was okay, but tell her I love her to the moon and back. I'm getting the chills as I'm saying this. And she wouldn't mind me saying this. And I'm like, everybody says I love you to the moon and back. I'm like, oh, okay. I said it to her. And she starts crying. Of course, she had a bracelet that said I love you to the moon and back by her dad that she lost in Lake Como. Oh, and her mom ended up getting her another one. But that was evidence that he was there, you know, but something. I fought. Just the little things I fight. But it's so stupid. Why would I do that?

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, you do.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I do. I can't help it. I'm a skeptic of the other side,

[Alex Ferrari]

as you should be. And that's a healthy. That's a healthy intuitive to be skeptic of what comes in the other side. So let me ask you just for fun, because we're going to talk about a bunch of A little bit more. A little bit. A little heavier stuff. Moving forward. But just for fun, you said that ever since you got up this morning, there's just been a whole lot of people showing up. Is. Has anyone showed up for me? And if they. And if they did, I'd love to hear what you said. I'm doing this for fun for you guys, really. Because I could easily talk to Jennifer off camera about this, but I think that my audience would like, kind of have fun with it, so let's have some fun.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So. Well, I told you. I mean, a lot of people from my class and somebody. Matthew Perry has been very, like, in the forefront for me. And every time he comes in, it's usually. I usually end up talking to somebody that knew him. And I would. Again, I fight it, too. But he's been. He has helped more people from the other side than you can possibly imagine. But is for you. It's so funny.

[Alex Ferrari]

I usually have a line of people.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, so I now understand, like, when it came to Yogananda, like, every time I feel that for you, I feel like that's where you reside, in your energy field. In your energy field. I feel you residing with his energy.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, that's beautiful.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And so. And it's more. And I keep getting. Your dream state is getting calmer. It was pretty. Pretty crazy before, but now it feels really calm. And I feel. So there's. Yeah, you do have a lot. Hold on. And a dog. Just give me a second. My dog shows up. Your dog shows up all the time. Your dog showed up this morning. But I'm like. And I think I've talked to you about that, but, you know, I forget everything. But your dog showed up. But you have a grandfather. There's somebody that's here that also felt like they had. Either they were in law enforcement or they were. Somebody had a heart attack. Hold on. Okay, you have your grandfather, your uncle. Feels like a great uncle. Do you know of someone that was in the Civil War in your family?

[Alex Ferrari]

Civil War?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

No, I just see old guns. Like.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, I mean, it might have been Spain, because that's where they came from.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I don't want to go down that rabbit hole. Hold on. Somebody has something, though, of that that feels like there's a very old picture. Give me a second. Because I do feel like you came fighting a different way, and I do feel you very connected to that ancestor. Okay, they're showing me your daughter. Hold on. There is a celebration or there's a birthday celebration that is either happening towards the end of the month, maybe. Okay, just hold on. And it feels like it has to do with you, too. There's some type of celebration about what you're doing right now, like how many. Not necessarily how many episodes, but maybe how many years you've been doing this. And I feel like it started, like, at the beginning of the year. And I feel like that there's something that's happening more with that, too, that I'm being shown. But your grandfather's a guide, and I know that other people have talked to your grandfather, but I feel you talking to him more. And I also feel like the whole medium thing, like you are a medium.

[Alex Ferrari]

Ah, well.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

But again, I don't see dead people just yet. It's not about seeing them. It's not about seeing them again. It's. Everything's inside of you. Like when I was explaining that feeling, it makes perfect sense. Even the stuff that I see, because I see them come in and go out talking to you, and then they leave, but everything is inside of you. It's not something, you know. So when you're talking, people get so caught up of where it's coming from. So right now, just as we were talking, so I have your dog. I get all these pictures of your ancestors. I get the connection of your ancestors toward. Of course they're connected to you, but your DNA, this fighting blood, this blue blood line that I'm seeing, and then. And then Yogananda, the presence with him and what you've been learning and how you're expanding. I mean, obviously, with everybody that you have on here, you are creating such an amazing platform for people to come to and go down their own rabbit holes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Right, as you've been doing, apparently.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my gosh. Once after I read you before, I'm like, now I can go watch it because I didn't want to know any beforehand. You're like, I did. You know, I wasn't filming. I'm like, oh, okay. You know. Yeah, there's more. There's. I think there's a lot more people that you're connected to. There's somebody that's coming through that, that I felt like either was a fireman or a police officer. And I'm not sure if you're related to them or not. And they feel like they had. There's something about them having a heart attack. And you grew up with them. And I'm seeing road. Like, you either went biking with them, or you used to go biking with them or you went to school with them. Do you have any idea who that

[Alex Ferrari]

could be, I don't.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Alright, we'll figure that out. But that's just.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

The kind of something so confident.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

You want to hear something funny? Is I, I don't know if I. At this recording. I'm not sure if I've said this on the show before, but I'll say it again just because it's such a powerful story for me. I got a chance to go when I was in la. I went to the Self Realization Fellowship in Mount Washington for the first time and I was given a tour by a friend of mine who knows everybody there and you know, I'm walking around and walked into the place where he used to meditate in the chapel where people can sit there and meditate and so on and they go, he goes, we have something special for you. We're going to let you upstairs. I'm like, what do you mean upstairs? He said, oh, we're gonna, you're gonna go to Yogananda's quarters.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

They haven't touched it really since he left. And it's a, it's in, it's a museum essentially.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

So you take off your shoes and you have to wait for a brother to come down and kind of guide you up there and walk in. And when I walk in the, I walk into his living room. It's, it's, it's a house from the like twenties.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I felt him tapping you on the shoulder.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, yeah. So I walk in and I see everything. I'm like, oh, there's the staff that he has in that picture I've seen. Oh, there's this, there's the scarf that I've seen in others. It's all there, it's all There. And then I walked into his bedroom. And in his bedroom, they have this kind of like a little picture, a backlit picture of him meditating as a young man, and a chest that says prayers. And I could tell you about what that means. And then his shoes are right there. His slippers that he used to sleep in, right underneath his bed. Everything's been there, covered in plastic, obviously, for preservation, but it's there. And I asked him, I go, can I. Can I meditate in here for a little bit? Wow. He's like, yeah. I'm like, five minutes. He goes, okay, because, you know, I have things to do. I'm like, of course he didn't say that. But I sit there and I start to meditate at the bed of Yogananda with his shoes, his slippers right in front of me. I touched them. I touched the bed covered in plastic, but still touch it, and I just start to meditate. And I've never had a meditation session so intense so quickly in my life. I was second. I walked in, I just started.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

You dropped in.

[Alex Ferrari]

The energy was just, like, rampant. And when I start meditating, the electricity in my body just changes. My face was like being hit with a thousand bits of energy. I never felt that before. I felt versions of this, but nothing is intense. And I started to meditate. And I sit there and I just start going deep. I'm like, if I. It was five minutes, but I'm like, if I don't get out of this, I won't.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

You won't come back.

[Alex Ferrari]

I won't. I'm like, I could have.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's what I felt like when I left.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, I could have sat there for eight hours and not even eaten or drank or anything. That's how intoxicating the image, the energy was. And then images started. Things started to come into my mind. I started. See, I was. I was connected in a way that I've not been connected differently than I've ever before. But the energy was so palpable there that I, like, literally yanked my way out of it because I felt bad for this poor guy. Just standing outside waiting for me to meditate. Felt very awkward for him, for me and for him. I was like, I don't want to do that to the poor guy, though. He would have probably stayed there for 30 minutes.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

He would have been fine.

[Alex Ferrari]

He would have stayed there for 30. But I felt that. But it was such a beautiful experience. So Yogananda and I have had a connection since I read his book. And I'm sure as Millions have had a connection with Yogananda, but he dreamt about him.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Now he's been.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, no, no, I've had. I've had him in my meditation, I've had him in dreams.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

He hasn't left you.

[Alex Ferrari]

And Connie is the one who introduced me to him.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's when I read Autobiography of a Yogi and kind of walked down that path. So. Oh, no. He's been with me for a long time. I've had a connect, Deep connection with him. And he's literally right behind me all the time. I have him everywhere. I mean, he's there, he's in my other set, he's out front. He's. He's everywhere. Yeah. And his lineage as well, Babaji and Yukteswa and so on. But that was just the connection for me. But it was just a really interesting energy that was happening. I've never felt that before. I'm looking forward to go back to la just so I can go back there.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I love that. I love that. Well, when you get immersed in that energy, it's challenging to come back. Oh, but you just have to go to it. You have to just be in it. Once you know that you're in it, just don't leave it. You never have to leave it.

[Alex Ferrari]

I'm just figuring it out.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Things take you out of it. That's the difference.

[Alex Ferrari]

Life. So. So I wanted to talk to you a little bit about what's going on in the world. I'm not gonna ask you anything specific as of this recording. The election already happened. Okay. So I'm not. I don't care about who is gonna win or not win. To me, honestly, is irrelevant.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah. We created all of it.

[Alex Ferrari]

Correct. So it's gonna go whichever way it's gonna go. What do you see for the aftermath? Because the last election, there was a slight aftermath. But I feel that whatever happens after this very contentious election here in the United States, there's going to be aftermath, not only here in the States, but I think it's going to ripple around the world. So as kindly and gently as you can, can you tell me what you're seeing for humanity in the near future after this, this kind of turning point?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, it's just shown. Maybe that's why I was shown a war. Not for this, but how. Sometimes it takes something that bad in order to get people to come together, to wake up. We really need to love each other more. And I think this is going to do that. And I'm hoping, but it's gonna. You Know, like anything else, it's gonna be painful before it gets better. And. But I have hope for our humanity. I have hope for each other. I have hope for kind of working together. We need to work together, not against one another. We're so polarized right now.

[Alex Ferrari]

But that's, but that seems to be by design, humanity's design. I know conscious design right now. And when I say that it's because, you know, everything that happens to us, we create.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's the deeper question. Like we created this. So how did we do it? What did we learn from it? How do we get back to oneness again?

[Alex Ferrari]

To my understanding or we never left

[Jennifer Schaefer]

oneness, but how do we remember?

[Alex Ferrari]

To my understanding that is that humanity as a whole collective has made the decision not to self destruct. That's what I've been told multiple times. It's my, also my own gut, my own gut feeling. We're not going to destroy ourselves, but we ain't gonna make it easy along the way is the question. And you can see that around the world right now, it's never been as polarized. Well, I mean the Civil War was pretty rough, so it has been, but it's never been this polarized with this kind of technology, this kind of connection around the world. I mean when the Civil War was happening here in the States, Europe was like, look at those crazy Yanks doing stuff. It really didn't affect them because we weren't as interconnected as we are now. But as they say, when, when the US sneezes, the world catches a cold. And that's what I'm kind of seeing here. Not from an egocentric place. That's just the reality of the world that we live in right now. So you agree that we're not in a self destructive path, but it's not going to be a.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

We can end up killing each other with nuclear weapons and be done with the whole world within minutes.

[Alex Ferrari]

Sure.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So we're not going to do that. I do feel that nature has a little bit of a say in this. Say in this. I do see a lot of that and I think we've also created that as well. But I see us coming together, but it's just gonna be painful at first, I think.

[Alex Ferrari]

But I don't know about you, but every great lesson that I've learned in life has come through pain.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I just wish it didn't have to.

[Alex Ferrari]

I agree with you 100.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So when I was looking, when I started seeing, I'll never forget I had this woman in my woman in My office. I'm like, yeah, I don't think her husband's going to be working. I didn't know her husband was the captain of the LA Kings. And I'm like. She goes, what do you mean? Is he going to get injured? I'm like, no, I don't see anybody. I didn't see anybody working, you know, but it was Covid, you know, and there so many things. So many things. But how great. I'm back to, like. I think a lot of people really learned a lot from COVID You know, they either learned how to love each other, they learned that they were in the wrong relationship. Whatever they learned was probably a little bit both.

[Alex Ferrari]

It was a reset completely. It was a giant shift. You could tell humanity shifted after and

[Jennifer Schaefer]

it's already shifting now because there's so many people leaving the planet too. I can't tell you. A lot of the older, they're just

[Alex Ferrari]

like, bye, I'm out, I'm gone, I'm gone. And a lot of the newer souls coming into the planet are more prepared.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They're locked and loaded to lead.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, they're ready to make this.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

They are ready. And the women that are coming in, it's so interesting. It was so easy 20 years ago to say, oh, you're having a boy. Oh, you're having a girl. Now it's like, what? Because the energies are different. The girls are coming in super masculine and the guys are coming in more fluid. And so I have to look for colors whenever I. And by the way, it's a 50% chance of being right, as my husband would say.

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[Alex Ferrari]

No, I. I feel that. I feel that they're meant to come

[Jennifer Schaefer]

in here and lead.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Because the older systems, and I've been saying this forever, the older systems are starting to crack.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

Not starting to crack. They're crumbling. They're. They're literally crumbling.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

There's. There's people holding on with band aids. Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

While the ship has leaks left. And all of them, they're putting, like, literal band aids, trying to put it all together. And they're holding on for dear life because they don't want to let go.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Isn't it powerful what our minds could do? Oh, God, you just gave that visual. Right. And they think it's working.

[Alex Ferrari]

They think it's working because they have no. If you're in a ship that's sinking and that you believe that putting a band aid will help you survive, you have no other way to think about it. Because if you think that this is ridiculous, you will be done. So you can't think that. I know now we are looking outside, looking at the ship, going like, the dude, that's not going to work at all. I mean, the band aid is not covering the Titanic hit that you just got from that iceberg. It's just not going to work. So. But that's happening in so many different fields around the world. Media, the economy, food, medicine, education, religion, all of it's starting to crumble down more and more. And there really has, if you, if you've noticed, I was thinking about this the other day, if you notice that there hasn't been one industry that has not had a shakedown. They all had a shakedown, but now they all have an alternative. So before, and I pick on the Catholic Church as a recovering Catholic, it was that way. There was no other alternatives. But throughout history, even early on, you know, Mormonism is, I don't know, 100 years old. 150 years old. Yeah, something like that. Right. But then there was the Lutherans, then there was Baptist and the Protestant, and they all kind of scattered and started splintering away.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Because they became alternative to the main narrative. Well, then Hollywood has alternatives now, which is social media and YouTube, which, by the way, now YouTube is the biggest streaming platform on the planet. Much bigger than all of the other guys, I think, even combined. That's how big. And they're only getting bigger. So there's an alternative for voices like this now. Economy, cryptocurrency was created. You know, love it or hate it, it's something.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's here to stay.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah, exactly. So it's. It's something so in. In. In health, alternative medicine, and so that every industry has had some sort of alternative come up because people are tired

[Jennifer Schaefer]

of the old systems, like Charlie Goldstein, and we need to work together. Like, Charlie Goldstein's a healer. And recently when I was speaking to him, we were discussing. He's like, I want the medical industry to utilize healers. Like, why can't you have a healer there with somebody else that's working on them? Oh, right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Just a little bit. Yeah. It's a little Pollyannic to him.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I get that. I get that. But I work with law enforcement. I work with law enforcement.

[Alex Ferrari]

But there's a difference there because, look, I know the difference is that when you come in, they've hit the wall.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

They have no other option. And they're like, why not? A doctor? Or the medical field will never yell uncle.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

They just won't. They just won't. And if you come in and heal it, then they're going to be out of a job.

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah, they're doing a lot of studies on that. He's the most documented healer, and I can understand that they should have something. But we were talking about working together. That's the only way that this. How all of this is going to work is if we combine our efforts.

[Alex Ferrari]

And is it going to be nature that continuously challenges us? Because, look, I've lived in Florida for 25 years.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Nature cleanses us.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, yeah. I mean, like I said, I lived in Florida for 25 years. I've been hit by many hurricanes. I've gone through. I went through Andrew, I went through Wilma. I've been in. I've been through all. I've been a lot. I've never been devastated where. I've lost my house, but I've definitely felt a lot. Lost a roof. I mean, I've gone through it, so I see what that does. But when that happens, everyone gets together. There's no politics anymore. There's no color anymore. Hopefully none of that. All that's gone. There's like, no, we need to move that log so we all can get power. You know, we need to lift that so we can get water as a community.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

I hope that that's not. That we don't continuously get pounded by nature. So we constantly are. These disasters are the things that bring us together. Look at 9 11. The entire country came together. Look at Pearl Harbor. The entire country came together, but we needed to have this massive devastation for us to get together. Look how powerful we are when we are together. I mean, it's amazing.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I don't Think. I think Mother Nature is just gonna. I mean, we have a lot of things that we're working on, and I do believe that, you know, I mean, I don't know how anybody can deny global warming. I just don't know how that's even happening.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's hot. It's hot.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's. Well, we've had the cold again. I live by the beach, which I'm incredibly grateful for, but we've had the coldest summer in the world because it's not always hot, because it's so hot inland. That is not okay. That's not. And I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about us having cold weather. I'm just saying it's not okay to be that super hot to where we have cloud coverage the whole time.

[Alex Ferrari]

Listen, growing up, if I ever saw a weather report that had 101, it's usually in Phoenix or Death Valley. I never. The 110. Oh, yeah, that's Death Valley in the summer, where no human being should be. That's what I. When I grew up, I never. Living in Florida.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex Ferrari]

Never heard of anything like that. Now it's common. I mean, last summer in Austin, we had eight to 12 weeks of 100 plus every single day.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Wow.

[Alex Ferrari]

Every day. 101, 105, 107, 108. In Austin. Not. Not Phoenix, not Death Valley.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

That's crazy.

[Alex Ferrari]

So it's getting hotter. There's something happening.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

There's something happening. Well, when I go diving, I'm either.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, the coral. Yeah.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I've never been so devastated. Seeing all white underneath, I'm like, oh, my God, this is so heartbreaking.

[Alex Ferrari]

Well, from what I understand, the planet without us. We'll be fine. Any damage we do, to a certain extent, I mean, we saw it in Covid. You know, how quickly everything rebounded in like three weeks.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It was insane. I mean, if you think about the Matrix, right? You've got to think about the people that are coming back in that know in the future what we've done know in the future what's happening. They've got to be doing some change here. And I. I do want to believe that.

[Alex Ferrari]

When you said coming back in. Souls being born.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Souls being born. Also different people here. I don't know, consciousness, looking into things, figuring it out. How can we help right now, stop what's happening in the future again? Past, present future is in the same place for me. Why can't we have that? Why can't we get the knowledge to help us now, to get quiet, to Help us for our future. And I do believe that there's people that are doing that.

[Alex Ferrari]

Where do you see humanity's consciousness shift going? Because from where I'm sitting, it seems to be growing. Our consciousness seems to be going. I know it's hard for people listening. Like, are you kidding? It's the worst time. I go, yeah, but no, people are waking.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Covid woke up everyone that I know of. Like, it's not. It should have did a lot of things 10 years ago. They're like, what do you do now? It's like, oh, what do you do? Who are you?

[Alex Ferrari]

Can I get a session?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Exactly, Exactly. I don't know if you want your great uncle from Spain coming exactly.

[Alex Ferrari]

With a civil war gun.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my God, there's a picture there somewhere. Yeah, I don't. I just. I think that we're. I mean, I think that it's done a lot for us by what we've been through. And I don't. I'm. I feel that we are all waking up.

[Alex Ferrari]

That's why all this stuff is cracking.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

We're remembering. And so I don't. I've been. I read extensively and I tune in a lot. And I do believe that employerities and equalizer. The only reason why I could do the crime work I do. So I'll have seven hours worth of clients, and two of them will be murders every week. I have parents that have lost their children. How do you deal with that?

[Alex Ferrari]

How do you deal with that?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Well, this is why I'm saying this. That want to know the last 24 hours of their child's life. They want to know if it was murder. They want to know if it was a. If it was a suicide. And, you know, sometimes I. A lot of times it was a suicide. They're never in their right mind when they do it, obviously. But that being said, I have had in order to be. Because I've asked him, like, I want to be the best, best medium I could be, the best crime person I can be. How do I do that? And I had to learn to just know out there that there's an equalizer. Some people call it a pendulum. Some people call it, you know, a yin and yang kind of feeling. I. Because I know that I'm not in charge of whoever did this. I'm not in charge of why it happened. I'm not. I had to get out completely out of all of that in order to not be compromised. Because if I have feelings, I'm not going to get. You know, I can pick up on what the parents think I can. You know, I have to get the right information to come through. I have to kind of.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

Visit spinquest.com for more details. It's not that I'm desensitized by knowing there's an equalizer out there. If you think about it with what we were just talking about, then there's a polarity. Right. So with what you were saying, like with everybody waking up. Yes. There's going to be more things that are happening because of consciousness, you know, and when more groups of people get together and do certain things, they've documented the power of prayer.

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

People meditating. You know, when I had that experience, it was with Dr. Joe's walking, you know, walking meditation that ended up where there was 140,000 people from around the world doing it at the same time. I know. That's how I entered into that state. It is a very powerful thing. So, yeah, polarities, you're gonna have something that's very similar to what I call the equalizer. You know what I'm saying?

[Alex Ferrari]

I do. Okay, so let me ask you, for someone listening right now who is living in a place of fear, they're hearing this conversation and they go to fear right away because their place is a default is fear. You know, I was talking to someone the other day and when I would, they go, so what's going to happen? And I go, well, based on what I know, because I have so many interactions with weirdos like yourself.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Thank you.

[Alex Ferrari]

I go, it's gonna be a little bit rocky and, but we'll be fine and we'll get through it and all that kind of stuff, you know, and every. In every economic downturn, there's people who make billion dollar companies and people who are Devastated. It's gonna. It's gonna range everywhere and in between. But they were like, so what do I do? I'm like, I don't buy gold, toilet paper and bullets. I don't know, what do you want from me? But they went to fear right away. What can the. And I want to ask from the other side.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex Ferrari]

What does the other side have to say about someone who is living in fear right now from this conversation?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

So right when you were talking about it, I kept getting love. Like, fear is the absence of love, right. But love is something that, like, so when someone says that they're fearful, everything's going to turn out to be okay in some form or fashion for wherever you are, in whatever place or state that you're in. But my biggest thing that I've learned this year and what I have received from the other side is fall in love with yourself.

[Alex Ferrari]

You're not the first to say that.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Fall so deeply in love with yourself that you. Everything you look at is magical. Right? That you can find all the good in anything that's gone wrong and that, you know, that no matter. Doesn't matter if you have a home. Doesn't. Home is inside. Nobody from the other side can. No one shows me their homes from the other side unless they died in it or unless they, you know, unless they want me to find something in it, you know, like, look how cool it is. Or. Or like, yeah, there's like, oh, I forgot the. You know, I forgot to put, you know, down her name for the trust and that kind of thing. Like, nobody shows me anything like that. So. But it really is to find your home and to find love and to be in love with yourself. Because once you're in love with yourself, every part of you, you send a neurologic. You send, you know, different feedback to your body. Your body gets better automatically.

[Alex Ferrari]

Absolutely.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And then the people around you get better, and then you want to do more, and then it kind of carries over. But I would suggest just doing little stuff like find. If you can't find anything good about yourself, figure it out.

[Alex Ferrari]

Fair enough. Fair enough. Now I'm gonna ask you a few questions. Ask all my guests.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Okay.

[Alex Ferrari]

What is your definition of living a fulfilled life?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It's being peaceful with wherever I am. It is having the love of my children and my husband and my friends and just my life. I think just knowing that everything's going to be okay whether I'm here or not.

[Alex Ferrari]

If you had a chance to go back in time and talk to little Jennifer, what advice Would you give her.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Stop being so exhausting.

[Alex Ferrari]

What do you mean by that, exhausting?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, I was in my head constantly.

[Alex Ferrari]

Oh, beating yourself up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, my goodness. And just know that no one cares that much.

[Alex Ferrari]

Like, they're worried about their own crap.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah, like, no one cares. Just start living your life, you know, and just know that you are going to be great. You're going to be so much fun later on.

[Alex Ferrari]

This is a side question. Why do you think that you chose this path in this life, like your soul blueprint, your soul plan? What did you want to learn as a. As an intuitive slash psychic medium in this time period? As a woman coming from a Mormon family? I mean, there's some challenges being thrown up there. Why do you think you wanted to go down this road? Because, I mean, you live, from what I see, a very fun life, a happy life. You're enjoying what you do. But it wasn't always like that. There was definitely some journeys there to get there. So why do you think you chose this?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I think I chose this. This time around, I was told that I had. I committed suicide a lot because I never got to the point where you wanted out. Yeah, I wanted out. And my daughter. I was told by an intuitive and an astrologer separately that my daughter came here to be my insurance policy to stay interesting, and that we were sisters in a past life. And you don't have to believe this. It doesn't even matter, but we were sisters in a past life, and I committed suicide. And she said, okay, you're gonna be my mom this time, and if you make it, you're gonna have the best life ever. But if you don't, I'm gonna have the worst life ever.

[Alex Ferrari]

So that's.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And I remember someone saying this. Cause she. Because I thought about the other side. I just. You know, I was sick at the time. I had endometriosis. It was just awful, and I just didn't want to be here anymore. And I heard her say. She's like, you do know if you leave, your daughter will have the worst life she's ever had. She will never. It will be the worst life for her. She came in here counting on you to stay. And it worked. It worked. Just from that, there was something that worked because she used to freak out every time I'd leave, both my son and her. And I'm like. When I was able to come home that day, I'm like, I'm never gonna leave you. She didn't cry again. There was something that healed that. And this little girl had a feeling.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yeah. Wow.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

And this little girl was astrophysics student of the year at her high school. She's an aerospace engineer. She is. We talk ten times a day. Like, I am so grateful. She's literally learning how to fly. Like, she's just. And it just took that. I don't know, that little piece of an intuitive saying that to me, that helped heal me. And so talking about coming in here, I think the Mormon Church actually saved my life because they didn't want to commit suicide. So that was my second stop. Right?

[Alex Ferrari]

You needed that programming.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I needed that programming. And then my Mormon dad telling me, you know, it's not your job to make anybody believe in anything. I'm like, what? He goes, jennifer, it's your job to give evidence and to be who you are. And he goes, you've been consistent with who you are. He goes, let everybody else figure it out. And if you use that with anything that you do, if you're not trying to prove and if you do it that way, all of a sudden, you don't have anything. Like, you shouldn't have that fear. It helped me become a better worker.

[Alex Ferrari]

Beautifully said. Now, how do you define God or Source?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

He must have a very funny personality or she must have to have all this happening. I define it from my experience. Again, it's just my experience is love. You have to love everything. It's you, it's me, it's this, it's, you know, all of this we've created. Right. I believe that we're just creating whatever Source wants to experience. Good, bad, and indifferent. It doesn't matter what is love, peace, happiness. But it's nothing outside of us. It never will be. It helps, though.

[Alex Ferrari]

And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Finding out who you are.

[Alex Ferrari]

Remembering.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Yeah, remembering.

[Alex Ferrari]

Jennifer, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Oh, thank you, Jennifer. Schaefer.com so J-E N N I F E R S H-A-F-F F E R.com my website or our podcast with Richard Martini. Hacking the afterlife. That's always entertaining. You never know what's going on.

[Alex Ferrari]

Richard. If you guys have not seen the Richard episode, watch the Richard Martini episode. It's hilarious.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

He is so good. He is so amazing.

[Alex Ferrari]

Yes, Absolutely. Adore him. And does the other side have any parting messages for this audience?

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Stay on your path, regardless of where it goes.

[Alex Ferrari]

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[Jennifer Schaefer]

A lot of times we are so wanting to get to somewhere, right, and get to that side that we forget about. And you know, we talk about it, but the other side is just saying, just stay on your path. Just that is the journey. It's not, you know, and don't let anybody tell you not to. Don't let anybody tell you you shouldn't be doing that. And don't hold back.

[Alex Ferrari]

It's worked out for us.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

I guess I'm still here.

[Alex Ferrari]

Same here. Jennifer, it's been such a pleasure having you on the show.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

It was so much fun.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you so much for coming on the show and for everything you're doing to help awaken this planet. So I appreciate you.

[Jennifer Schaefer]

Thanks for having me.

[Alex Ferrari]

Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this [e-mail] 531 and if your soul is craving an even deeper journey, step into Next Level Soul tv, our streaming sanctuary for spiritual films, documentaries, original shows, guided meditations, channeling sessions, audiobooks and transformative teachings. It's a space created to support your awakening, your healing, and your return to the truth of who you really are. Begin your journey at Next LevelSoul TV. Until next time. Keep expanding, keep seeking, and keep walking your path towards the next level of your soul.

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