NST Picks: The best of 2025 (and our best arguments)

Summary

NO SUCH THING — “NST Picks: The Best of 2025 (and Our Best Arguments)”

Date: December 31, 2025
Hosts: Manny, Noah, Devan
Podcast: NO SUCH THING by iHeartPodcasts and Kaleidoscope

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Episode Overview

In this lively year-end episode, the hosts — Manny, Noah, and Devan — reflect on their favorite music, movies, TV shows, and episodes from their own podcast over the past year. True to their explainer style, they debate, reminisce, and share how some of their investigations changed their perspectives or daily habits. Expect jokes, earnest recommendations, and a highlights reel of the year’s best arguments and most memorable moments.

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Main Segments & Discussion Points

1. Favorite Music Moments of 2025

[02:46–18:16]

Manny’s Music Moment

• Atypical Approach: Manny shares that he doesn’t typically listen to music passively, only seeking out albums or tracks intentionally.
  • “I'm not someone who just kind of has it on in the background during cooking or commuting. I know, it's weird.” (03:21, Manny)
• Favorite of the Year: A memorable song from the video game Expedition 33’s soundtrack, which features a surprising techno turn during a boss fight.
  • “There were a lot of memes ... It was like, damn, this song rips so much. I kept dying 'cuz I was just listening to the music.” (04:05–05:21, Manny)

Noah’s List

• Folk Farewell: Broken Homes and Gardens by Michael Hurley, highlighting Hurley's cozy, simple folk as he passed away this year.
  • “It’s very cozy. Him and a guitar and… you’re in on a nice cold fall/winter day, throw this on while you’re making some hot toddies.” (06:24, Noah)
• Unexpected Favorite: It’s a Beautiful Day, What a Beautiful Day by Skinhead, a solo project with “black humor” and catchy, aggressive songs about the little things (e.g., splitting the bill).
  • “There’s a song about getting separate checks when you’re at the restaurant with your boys.” (08:25, Noah)

Devan’s Highlights

• Year of “OGs”: New albums this year from Bon Iver, Lorde, Bartese Strange, Blood Orange, Dijon, Bieber, Rosalia, Chance the Rapper, Haim, Alex G.
• Best Live Experience: Lorde’s MSG concert.
  • “This show, Lorde show, felt really intimate ... a very emotional show, surprising. I’m not afraid to say you were in your feelings. I was in my feelings.” (12:31–13:47, Devan)
• Special Mention: Dijon and Blood Orange live, and new discoveries like Addison Rae and Nourished by Time.

Age and Algorithms

• The group jokes about Spotify and Apple’s “listening age” feature and its accuracy.
  • “Manny would be unborn because no music is consumed.” (16:27, Devan)
  • Pondering if playlist curation skews the “age” result younger or older for users.

Memorable Quote

• “Going to a concert like this ... is like the closest I get to understanding, like, church for people.” (13:54, Devan)

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2. Favorite Movies and TV Shows of 2025

[19:50–36:33]

Noah’s Picks

• Movie: Peter Hujar’s Day starring Ben Whishaw — an understated, dialogue-heavy portrait of an artist describing a single day.
  • “It was shockingly interesting. He’s just describing his day ... it felt like you’re sitting in there with these people.” (21:33, Noah)
• Short and Sweet: Praises the movie for being just 80 minutes and feeling “rejuvenating.”
• Fun Fact: Shares the backstory of the photo on A Little Life book cover.

Manny’s Picks

• Movie: No Other Choice (by the director of Oldboy and The Handmaiden) — a darkly comic film about the cutthroat job market in South Korea.
  • “It’s really, really interesting. I’ve never seen a movie like it, but really good.” (24:44, Manny)
• TV Show: Common Side Effects — HBO/Adult Swim’s animated series about a miracle mushroom cure and Big Pharma.
  • “It’s totally like, oh, this is the world that would happen if RFK is right. Like, where everything is a conspiracy theory.” (25:29, Manny)
  • Mike Judge voices, same creators as King of the Hill, praised for its uniqueness.

Devan’s Picks

• Show Shout-Out: The Chair Company by Tim Robinson (of I Think You Should Leave fame) — a bizarre comedy about a man investigating a broken chair and stumbling into a conspiracy.

  • “He just really dives deep into trying to figure out what company this is. And it opens up another big conspiracy…” (26:45, Manny)
  • The crew celebrates its surreal Ohio setting and Robinson’s writing style.

• Other TV Favorite: Helen Harper Spytis — Created by and starring Cooper Raif, with Lili Reinhart and Mark Ruffalo, about siblings reconnecting with an absent father.

  • “Great for the holidays … you’ll get in your feelings.” (31:14, Devan)
  • Discussion on the portrayal of emotional masculinity.

• Indie Movie: Sorry Baby — a dramedy about friends reconnecting in a college town, praised for balancing drama and humor.

• Special Mention: Noah and Devan bond over The Rehearsal (Nathan Fielder’s latest), blurring the lines between documentary and fiction.

  • “You never know where it’s going to go ... Is this real? Is this fake? What’s happening?” (34:48–34:56, Devan)

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3. Favorite Moments from the Podcast

[36:33–56:45]

Top “No Such Thing” Moments

• Dating AI Chatbots

  • Devan’s wild date “transcript” with an AI, featuring uproarious roleplay and uncomfortable honesty.
    • “Okay. I say, you know, nice. How would you feel about us taking it to the next level?...She said, ‘I’m completely okay with that whenever you are.’ I said, ‘Let’s do it.’” (37:21, Devan)
  • Manny: “That was my favorite episode ... where it starts one way and then you have to change up the format because of the ridiculous things that we've captured.” (38:20, Manny)

• Why Don’t Men Ask Follow Up Questions?

  • Interview with Liz Plank; discussion of male friendships being “side-by-side” instead of “face-to-face.”
    • “Now I’m like, thinking back on, like, most of my friendships with men, and it is like we’re always...experiencing some central thing instead of just sitting across from each other.” (38:33, Manny)
  • Devan: “That one really seemed to resonate with the women in my life.” (39:44, Devan)

• Ben Franklin: Lord of PR or Real Genius?

  • Listener Kelsey calls in a conspiracy: “Benjamin Franklin was a grifter with a great PR team ... an Elon Musk kind of fraudster.” (41:03)
  • Friend Rich’s outraged off-mic reaction becomes a host highlight.

• Food on the Floor Debate

  • Noah and Devan’s passionate/messy micro-argument about what foods are okay to eat off the ground (“Would you eat a chip? At what age?”)
    • “Are you a full grown man? We’ll do three polls at different age ranges.” (44:36, Manny & Devan)

Episodes That Changed Their Lives

• Dog Owner Epiphany

  • With dog cognition expert Alexandra Horowitz: “It’s not like, you know, a 13 year old boy who’s being annoying ... I can just let this go, it’s a dog being a dog.” (46:37, Alexandra/Devan)

• Follow Up Questions in Friendships

  • Manny admits now asking friends deeper questions: “You do learn a lot about your friends...just by asking that question.” (47:21, Manny)

• Weather App Mistrust

  • Noah claims he’ll never trust an app since learning reported temps are taken in the shade, not sun. (48:23)
  • “That kind of changed everything for how I see the sun.” (48:58, Noah)

• Laundry Truth Bombs

  • Manny and Devan switched to powder detergent and “warm” washes after learning from expert Patrick.
    • “Now my detergent is going to last me forever now ... I’m still probably doing too much.” (50:06, Noah)

• Sibling Influence Realization

  • Devan realizes, per the “siblings vs. parents” episode, how much more responsible/independent eldest siblings are.
    • “That episode really rang true to me ... even, you know, we’re 16 years apart or whatever. It does apply.” (53:10–53:22, Devan)

• Minor Habits

  • “Sitting to pee” episode: Devan reports he sits more often now; Manny is still standing proud.
  • “Food on the bed” concerns reinforced.

Last Words and Podcast Growth

• Hosts marvel at fanbase size, growth, and making Apple Podcasts’ “best of 2025” list.
  • “A year ago...I was like, hopefully we have 100 people listening ... Suffice to say, we have a lot more now.” (56:25–56:26, Devan)
• Encourage listeners to share and submit future episode questions.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “You just feel like, okay...this is really just a guy doing this, like...it’s wholesome.”
  — Noah on Michael Hurley’s album (07:07)

• “Going to a concert like this ... is like the closest I get to understanding, like, church for people.”
  — Devan on the Lorde show (13:54)

• “That episode really rang true to me ... even, you know, we’re 16 years apart or whatever. It does apply.”
  — Devan on sibling birth order (53:10)

• "You do learn a lot about your friends...just by asking that question.”
  — Manny, on changing his conversations with follow-up questions (47:21)

• "I don't trust weather apps at all anymore. Especially once they explained the temperature is taken in the shade and not the sun."
  — Noah (48:08)

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Recurring Tone & Style

• Friendly banter, self-deprecation, authentic enthusiasm about both pop culture and minutiae.
• References to previous episodes, running jokes (“Manny doesn’t listen to music”—multiple times).
• Welcoming listener input; open invitations for more emails/call-ins.

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Breakdown of Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------|------------| | Introduction & Music Moments | 02:46–18:16| | TV & Movie Picks | 19:50–36:33| | Podcast Favorite Moments (“Best Arguments”) |36:33–56:45| | Closing Thoughts & Thanks | 56:45–end |

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For New or Returning Listeners

This episode is a tour de force of the show's core strengths: fun arguments, deep dives into culture, and big-hearted, personal reflection. Whether you’re looking for pop culture recs or want to revisit the podcast’s greatest debates (from AI matchmaking to whether you can eat chips off the floor), this “Best of 2025” episode captures both the spirit and substance of No Such Thing.

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Transcript

[A]

Kaleidoscope.

[B]

I'm Manny.

[C]

I'm Noah.

[D]

And this is Devin. And this is no Such Thing. The show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the research. Today's episode is our year in review.

[B]

2020 fall. Another year.

[D]

We are gonna be talking about our favorite music moments from the year, our favorite TV shows, movies, and most importantly, our favorite moments from no Such Thing.

[B]

There's no. No Such Thing. No Such Thing. No Such Thing. No Such Thing. No Such Thing.

[A]

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[D]

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[C]

That'S meant to make everyone's job easier.

[D]

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[C]

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[D]

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[A]

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[B]

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[D]

It is crazy. This is our second.

[B]

I know.

[D]

Wow. Year in review pod.

[C]

It's amazing how early we did a year in review.

[D]

I know. Very bold to do it now.

[C]

Episode six or six.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Five or six episodes in last year. But wow, what a 2025 it's been for us.

[B]

Insane year.

[D]

We have a lot more people listening now than we did back then. Yeah, but why don't we just jump right into it? One of our favorite catchphrases here on the show. Let's talk about our favorite music moments of the year. For those of you who didn't listen to our year interview last year, you wouldn't know that our friend Manny here doesn't really listen to Music.

[B]

I'm more of a, you know, if a new album comes out, I'll check it out. Or if I want to listen to something specifically to like get in the mood for some reason, that's when I'll listen to music. But I'm not someone who just kind of has it on in the background during cooking or commuting. I know, it's weird.

[D]

He's just out here, he's got his thoughts. Making naked, taking on life raw. It's beautiful.

[B]

It's respectable.

[D]

So Manny, let's start with you then.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Since this will be brief, what's the song?

[C]

I heard.

[D]

Yeah. What is a new song? That or music moment. That really.

[B]

So my music moment of the year is from a video game actually.

[D]

On brand.

[B]

Yeah. And earlier this spring, an RPG, a role playing game called Expedition 33 was released. And you know, you'll hear a. A lot of good things about the soundtrack. The soundtrack is great. But there's a particular song on the soundtrack that really grabbed me, that moved me. You only hear it once in the game. It's for a specific boss. You get some classic, like high fantasy orchestrated stuff, but underneath there's like a bubbling techno baseline. And in the middle of the song, like, what the hell's going on anyways? I'm trying to fight this thing. But there's interesting, something interesting happening in the music. And then about a minute in, it kind of just goes full technote switches. And it switches so seamlessly and it's catchy as hell. And there were a lot of memes about, you know, it's like Jay Z nodding his head meme and like there was a kind of a big moment of like, damn, this song rips so much. I kept dying cuz I was just listening to the music. So, so random. But. But it was. Yeah, that was like a, A, A moment this year that was related to music. Yeah, it's music that moved me.

[D]

You know. You completed the task. Yeah. You named a song from a video game. You may not discriminate. Yeah. Interesting. All right, Noah.

[C]

All right, music.

[D]

You want to talk us through some music moments?

[C]

Yeah, I was, I was thinking about, you know, albums I've really liked. I'm going to talk about two albums and there's some parallels in an interesting way, but let me, let me get into it. The first one is called Broken Homes and Gardens by a folk singer named Michael Hurley, who passed away earlier this year. So this is his last album. Unless they have some stuff in the vault, which they probably do. He's been putting out stuff since the 60s. Kind of like an almost like an outsider artist sort of guy. Just chucking along. He does his own artwork. It's like wolves or dogs and cute little animals. And the album really sounds like this. It's very cozy. Him and a guitar and it's. It has a nice little bounce to it. It's very like, you know, you're in on a nice cold fall winter day. Throw this on while you're making some hot toddies or something.

[B]

Sounds good.

[C]

It's very pleasant.

[D]

What. What song should we play for? Yawns from it.

[C]

The Monkey's a good one. From this one.

[D]

Listen to a little bit.

[C]

But it also, you know, it's pretty. All of it's pretty much like this.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

In a nice way.

[D]

There's a monkey sit.

[C]

Down in old.

[D]

Tree stump with the telescope. He watches lady.

[B]

Nice. It sounds like. Who's the Toy Story guy?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

It's very.

[C]

Just like, I don't know, comforting and warm.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Where it's like, I don't know, you just feel like. Okay.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

This is really just a guy doing this like. And you know, it's, you know, wholesome.

[D]

He.

[B]

There's some. Oh, there's some dark stuff on there.

[C]

Not too dark, but. Yeah, it's like sometimes surprising things to talk about but. But also talking about, you know, I think he has a song, Abominable Snowman Monkey, you know.

[D]

Yeah, it's a.

[C]

He covers a lot.

[D]

Wide range.

[C]

But yeah, I appreciate anything where it's like, here's this guy for, you know, 60 years. He's just cranking out his little albums and doing his little songs. And now speaking of, you know, kind of individuals just kind of focusing in on their little project, my other album was one that was a surprise and one I didn't check out when I first kind of saw it coming up across my desk. It's by a band called Skinhead and it's called. It's a.

[D]

See why you didn't immediately check that one out.

[C]

Yeah, but the artwork is interesting. It's called It's a Beautiful Day. What a Beautiful Day. And it's basically a one man band project by this guy who's like played in a bunch of, you know, hardcore and punk bands. And this is like very kind of black humor, you could say. But what's. What's nice is it's very kind of aggressive music. He's kind of, you know, yell singing. But it's pretty catchy. Like if you kind of put a different Filter on it. It wouldn't sound that different from like a Blink 182 or something. There's a song about getting separate checks when you're at the restaurant with your boys.

[D]

Super chat or I just won't go. Super checks. Everybody already knows.

[B]

Separate.

[D]

My friends are all scumbags.

[B]

Separate checks.

[D]

Please keep track of your own tags.

[C]

So, you know, might be different for.

[D]

Some folks, but, hey, throw it on. It's nice. That's where we do this. We're trying to expose people to new. Exactly. He's got video game music here.

[C]

Exactly.

[D]

Noah's got some old heads and some separate checks. Yeah. Did you go to any shows this year you want to talk about?

[C]

I was thinking about that. I actually. I must have gone to something, but nothing.

[D]

Nothing stuck.

[C]

Yeah. Nothing big or that stuck out, you know.

[D]

Reflecting on this year in music, it was pretty good. I feel like a lot of my faves released albums this year, so there was a new Bon Iver album, new Lorde album, new Bartese Strange album, new Blood Orange album, new Dijon album, new Bieber album, new Rosalia, new Chance the Rapper, which is.

[B]

I haven't heard that. Is that good?

[D]

Not bad. Not bad. Much better than the last one. New Heim, new Alex G. So those were like my OGs. Those were all really good. The Bon Ivere album, probably one of my tops for the year.

[B]

If only we can Wait is away now.

[D]

I just saw just last week both Dijon and Blood Orange live. Dijon was on SNL this week, which got some mixed reviews, but I thought it was pretty great.

[C]

Mixed reviews from fans or not from.

[D]

Fans, from people who don't know his music because his music is not. It could be punishing if you don't know what you're getting into. His album is a bit like. There's a lot of samples, there's a lot of vocal effects, but he really ups it live and it becomes more of a thing. So I think sometimes, you know, when people listen to music live, sometimes they just want to, like, nod their head and be in a groove. And he's doing stuff that you're like, Whoa, there's like 15 people on stage. There's like six guitars. There's like vocal effects. Let me play a little bit of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

People were very upset.

[B]

People were saying it was hard to listen to.

[D]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[B]

This is very pleasant.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

I. I was ready for something much worse after.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

It gets more extreme towards the end, you know, Builds a little. But I would say my favorite Live experience of the year was definitely Lord.

[C]

The Ocean Floor.

[D]

Just take My Pearl, which was kind of surprising to me. I really liked this last Lorde album. I was listening to it a lot, but I wasn't. Tickets were kind of expensive. I didn't know if I was gonna see her live. I bought tickets last minute and, yeah, she performed at msg. I have mixed opinions about seeing shows at msg. I think it swallows a lot of artists up because it's such a big venue and you pay a lot of money and then you're, like, kind of far away and it sounds not always that great and you feel kind of separate from the thing. It feels like the thing. Like you're almost watching it on a tv. Sometimes you're in an arena show.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

But this show Lord show felt really intimate. It was like a pretty minimal show. Right. There wasn't Beyonce level stuff happening, which I did see Beyonce this year, and that was also incredible. So it wasn't like that production level of like, you know, like, oh, my God, there's a. You know, a million people involved in this thing was pretty minimal. There were, like, some dancers. It was mostly her. But the camera work was really good. It was like. It was really thought out and it felt very much like, okay, Lord was involved in this. There's sometimes you see an artist and you're like, okay, they're playing and I don't know, there's some random guy who's doing this stuff in the background.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, like, these people are not connected. Yeah. Like, they don't even know what's playing. And the show, like, the way it was sequenced, like, I've been listening to Apple music. Does this thing too now where if someone is touring, they'll put like the. Oh, yeah. The set list. The playlist. Yeah. Of the set list. And the way that the show was sequenced. I've been, like, listening to that now because she. Like the old stuff and the new stuff, like, it all kind of made sense. And it was like a very emotional show. Sprousing. I'm not afraid to say you were in your feelings. I was in my feelings. It was like two or three times where I teared up during the show. And not always that, you know, it wasn't always the, like, oh. Objectively, like, oh, this is a sad song. There was, you know, we. Well, will they hear about this? Religion is before this.

[C]

Yeah, Religion is next week. Lord willing.

[D]

You know, the Religion episode. You've heard it by now. But, like, I feel like this is like, going to a concert like this is like, the closest I get to understanding, like, church for people, even if.

[B]

It wasn't a sad song you saw her put her whole heart into. Yeah.

[C]

And it's just something about, like, communal.

[D]

Yes, the communal aspect of everyone being together, everyone singing. And, like, sharing a moment with people in that way. And that was in New York, I would say is notoriously, like, you don't get great crowds because everyone's a little too cool. And artists talk about this all the time about, like, you know, New Yorkers being a bit too cool to, like, dance and, like, really give themselves to the music.

[B]

That's really funny.

[D]

But I will say at the Lord show, that was not the case. People were losing themselves. And I would say two new artists that I got into this year. Addison Ray, Which I know. Not new to the world, new to me. I know she's a tiktoker. What are you talking about? Is a great pop album. Addison Ray. And then this dude called Nourished by time. Someone was talking to was like, yeah, I'm listening to this artist. He came out with an album, I think it was like two or three weeks beforehand. I listened to. I really liked it. And he was touring in New York that week. Someone saw him. Really cool album. Definitely recommend it. I'm trying to get, you know, next year, let's get some more new artists on the list. It's a lot of people I already listened to on the list.

[B]

Well, that was the, you know, we're Apple music heads. But that was the fun thing about the Spotify year in review, where they gave people their listening age. Yeah, we're like, you know, Mia was like, 75, and then some of my friends were 17. They're just, like, way more willing to consume newer music.

[D]

You see how I see I got Addison Ray in the mix. Maybe my age would have been a little bit lower.

[C]

Yeah, probably yours would be the lowest.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Out of us, for sure.

[D]

Well, Manny. Manny would be unborn because no music is consumed.

[C]

At least 70s.

[D]

I don't know. You know, there's not the time to talk about this, but I don't. I don't believe those ages is not listening to music that is 75.

[C]

Well, even, like, Julia's mom got, like, 17 or 23.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

She's not listening to Addison Rae.

[D]

No. Like, I don't know.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

I wonder if it's a lot of, like.

[C]

Like remasters or something. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know exactly what the algorithm Is. I bet they juice. They make it a little bit extreme so you can talk about it. Yeah. And I think it's probably because the.

[D]

Averages are not interesting.

[C]

And I think it's a little bit too, where it's like, if they know you're older, then they might try to push you younger. Because it's more interesting when your mom sending you something 20 years younger than.

[B]

Exactly. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. If your age is literally your age. And it's like. Well, that was the point of that. Yeah.

[C]

It's like. Yeah.

[D]

I remember Music Heads here. Yeah. All right.

[C]

Oh, yeah. What's my show? I remember it. I went to a massive show in September. Oasis.

[D]

Oh, my God. How'd you get that?

[C]

To me, it wasn't even. It was beyond a show.

[D]

Oh, it was a life experience.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

It's like, me would be awesome.

[C]

But it was. It was great. It was like. And that's one where I was listening to the set list afterwards, too, and it was like, kind of exactly what you would want from a huge reunion tour. They played the hits, but it wasn't like, okay, we're just gonna do the one album or the, you know, the two big albums and just play through them. It was like, mixed well and they. They sprinkled in a few kind of B sides and kind of rarities. As rare as, you know, a band like that could have.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

But it was like, they sound.

[D]

Cool. All right. Those are our music. Moments after the break, we are going to talk about our favorite movies and TV shows of the year.

[A]

10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points. You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract for $250,000. This is where mindset comes in. Someone will be eliminated. Pressure is coming down.

[B]

Trainer games on Prime Video January 8th. Watch the trailer on trainergames.com did you.

[E]

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[A]

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[D]

Okay, we're back.

[B]

I'm Manny.

[D]

I'm Noah Devin. All right, we just talked about our favorite music of the year. Now we're going to talk about our favorite TV shows and movies. No, let's start with you. Let's. What's a great thing that you've watched either at a theater at home this year?

[C]

Yeah, I didn't. I don't watch that much tv, so I'm gonna save that.

[D]

That's true.

[C]

You guys, I'll chime in if you don't mention one of the two shows I did watch. But for movies, I was thinking I liked most of the big movies, like one battle after another. Of course. Eddington. My favorite movie, or like, the one I'll discuss here is one that came out maybe I saw a month ago. Maybe it's called Peter Hujar's Day. And it. I went in with pretty much no expectations or, like, not really knowledge about what it's about.

[B]

It's.

[C]

Ben Whishaw is playing a photographer from, like, the New York City downtown scene in the 70s. And the concept is his friend, this woman Linda, is interviewing him for a project she's doing where she talks to her artist friends. And they just describe in like, minute detail the previous day.

[D]

I often have a feeling that in my day nothing much happens and I wasted it. Well, now, you know, wasted did another day.

[A]

That's why I'm doing this, actually, to find out how people fill up their days.

[C]

So it's just those two in their. In her apartment talking. And he was just describing the day. They don't, like, show what happened or anything.

[D]

Oh, it's just in it. So it's like, it looks like a play.

[C]

It's basically like a podcast. So if you like podcasts, this might be for you. But it was like, you know, and he's describing this day and it's like.

[D]

And it kept. It kept your attention.

[C]

Yeah, it's short, too. It's like 80 minutes. And like, they, they do a nice job editing it where it's moving. They're in different areas of the room and just he does a great job just talking. And, like, it was shockingly interesting. He's just describing his day. He's, you know, waiting on some check to come in. Then he's shooting photos of Allen Ginsberg and then getting Chinese food. Like, his friend comes over and they're just kind of like. Kind of just gossiping about these people they know and chatting and, you know, he's going through kind of his insecurities as an artist and all this stuff. And I don't know, it was just something about it was like so nicely put together and like, it felt. It felt like you're sitting in there with these people and it felt very, like, warm in that way. He's very rejuvenating. I don't know. It's just a nice, quiet little movie.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

We need more of those.

[C]

Yeah, it was. It was good.

[B]

Tired of these. Three hour long.

[C]

Exactly. Throw it on. Some people would probably think it's really boring. And it's like. It's hard to describe because it sounds very dull, but it's. In practice, it was a lot more interesting than I would have thought. And I didn't know. I wasn't familiar. I. I think I'd seen this guy's name, but I was not familiar with his work. He did shoot the photo that's on the COVID of the book, A Little Life.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Which is a great photo. And I've always thought that was a great cover.

[D]

That is a great. Very emotional.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Wow. It's like the 10th anniversary of a Little Life or something like that.

[C]

Yeah, probably. Yeah.

[D]

It's probably more than that. No, maybe about.

[C]

Yeah, I was reading that here.

[B]

Let's look it up.

[D]

Yes. 10 year anniversary. Yeah.

[C]

And I think that's a photo of a guy having an orgasm, if I'm not mistaken.

[D]

Makes sense for the book.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So anyway, recommend looking at that photo and watching this movie.

[B]

I'll have to check it out.

[D]

Manny, you do watch movies?

[B]

I do watch movies, yeah. My favorite movie. It's tough because, like. Yeah. My favorites are also Eddington. One battle after Another. But, you know, for much different reasons.

[D]

Big movie.

[B]

Well, I was gonna say I saw movie last week, which is. I don't think it comes out until closer to Christmas, but it's. It's called no Other Choice. If you're not familiar, it's from the same guy who did Old Boy and the Handmaiden. Really good. There's like a. There's one. I won't give it away, but there's like a scene that was just like, so genius I couldn't believe it.

[D]

Give us the premise.

[B]

Premise of the movie. Sounds silly, but it's like the context is, you know, they're in South Korea where, like, providing for your family is the. Of the utmost importance and There's a big layoff that happens at this paper factory, and he is going up for a new job, but all the guys who got laid off are going for the same job. And so he has to eliminate the competition, let's say.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Very fun movie.

[D]

All right.

[C]

I'm in.

[B]

Very dark, but, like, a lot of comedy.

[D]

Very of this moment, too. The job market.

[B]

Yes. There was moments where I was like, damn, when did they film this? Because it feels so.

[C]

He's taking notes.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

It's like I was. I am up for this.

[B]

But it's also very slapstick. It's really, really interesting. I've never seen a movie like it, but really good. No other choice. TV show I did. I mean, I've talked about this on the show a couple times, but there's a. That hbo. Adult Swim Club this year. Yeah.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

You've been talking about this.

[C]

It was from, like, the Manny Apartment era.

[B]

I know. The previous Apartment. Damn.

[D]

What is it called?

[B]

Common side effects.

[C]

Had to come out last year, but.

[B]

I'm like, January of this year.

[D]

I see. Now it's this year. February.

[B]

February, yeah. Anyways, quickly, tell them again.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

The premise. It's an animated show. The premise is, like, they come across, like, this mushroom that can cure so many diseases, but Big Pharma gets involved. They're trying to. You know, it's totally like, oh, this is the world that would happen if RFK is right. Like, where everything is a conspiracy theory. What if there were a medicine that could heal, like, almost anything?

[A]

A mushroom.

[C]

Not just any mushroom.

[B]

The caviar, the ghost orchid of mushrooms. It's like, I think, a comedy first. It's made by the people who made King of the Hill. Mike Judge does the voice for the bot, The CEO guy. Really funny, really good, and just unique. Really unique. I've never seen a show like that.

[D]

So if you, like, us have ignored Manny for his first ten times he's mentioned this on the pod.

[C]

Now's your chance.

[D]

Now it's time to lock in.

[C]

You know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna do you a favor. Over the holidays, I'm gonna. I'm gonna tap into one episode.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I'll give you 23 minutes.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I'm surprised no one has brought up. We've been texting about this, the Chair Company, and we haven't talked about people's thoughts on it. I will say not to give anything. Well, we say. We could say the premise, of course. Yeah. Of it. Who wants to set it up?

[B]

Yeah. A guy is giving a big speech, but after he's done, he sits down on a chair, like an office chair. The office chair falls apart while he sits on it. And it just takes him down this rabbit hole about, why did this specific office chair break on me? He. He just really dives deep into trying to figure out what company this is. And it opens up, up this. Another big conspiracy I'm uncovering, A vast criminal conspiracy.

[D]

Smug little chairs are everywhere.

[B]

They're invisible.

[C]

They're nothing nobody thinks about.

[D]

Where are you going, Ron?

[A]

We were just about to watch a TV interview.

[D]

Freezing in here.

[A]

I feel like you're hiding something.

[D]

I'm doing something that's beyond what anybody could ever dream of.

[A]

Dad, stop.

[D]

You're stressing me out.

[B]

It's from Tim Robinson, who you might know from I Think youk Should Leave or the Detroiters. Really funny. He's one of my favorite comedians.

[D]

Very much a Tim Robinson show. There are things that I was like, oh, this feels referential to other Tim Robinson things that he's done.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And it's so funny when you can tell that he. Like, the characters that aren't him are so obviously written by him. They're just saying that doesn't make sense. So, yeah, really good show. Yeah, you're right. I was. I found that to be really entertaining. There were some parts I thought that.

[D]

Yeah. But I think that's the Tim Robinson thing. It's, for me, at least most of the part. I'm like, he's like 90, 95% of the way there. And there's some stuff that you just sort of let slide because all the other things are so funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But there are a few things, especially TV shows, that will have me at home at least once or twice, like, laughing out loud, like, oh, that was. And, like, saying, like, that was funny. You have to laugh, like, oh, that was funny.

[B]

And I would get excited, like on Sunday when I remembered there's an episode coming, like, oh, great, that's what I'm doing tonight.

[D]

Exactly.

[B]

And also shout out to the filmmakers on that one, because it takes place in and around Columbus, Ohio.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

It makes a lot of sense. I didn't know that.

[C]

It seems like normal, everyday stuff in Ohio.

[B]

I did tweet this where I was like, it's the perfect setting because you do meet people who you just, like, cannot believe are real.

[D]

Yeah, the characters are really good.

[B]

You get some real characters.

[C]

A great one.

[D]

No, that's one of my top shows of the year, for sure. I would say my favorite show. I've talked about this on another podcast as well. It's called Helen Harper Spytis. I don't even think he's 30 yet. Spit is 29 year old, or I don't know how old. He is named Cooper Rife. And he, like, writes it, he directs it, he edits it. Like, he's kind of the mastermind.

[C]

He's in it, right?

[D]

He's in it as well. He acts in it. So it's him. He plays a sibling of Oli Reinhart for my Riverdale heads. Shout out. You'll recognize her. It's so sad to see that her talent was wasted in Riverdale based on how good she is in this show. You're like, oh, wow. You can actually really act. You aren't just like the most beautiful human being. You could actually act. And it's about their relationship with their father, who's played by Mark Ruffalo, who, after a traumatic event, has kind of been like an absent father and is trying to reconnect with them and kind of start his own family. And it's about their dynamic. Are we friends?

[A]

We're brother and sister.

[B]

I have big news.

[C]

My dad's having a baby.

[B]

It's not possible.

[D]

His girlfriend is. Why you so drunk? Why are you not?

[C]

I'm really upset about our childhood house being sold. I'm so okay with him having a baby, but I just don't want him to sell our childhood house.

[D]

And Cooper's thing, like, he writes characters that are, like, very emotional men, very in touch with their feelings, but who also are very attached to the people around them in a unhealthy way. But it is the sort of thing that it's like a. It's great fan. Like, if you don't want something for holidays with your family, you'll get in your feelings. But it is also, like, there are moments where you're like, oh, I kind of want a family where, you know, I wish I could talk to people about my feelings in this way or be, like, disconnected with people and not have, like, there's. The way he portrays masculinity is very interesting.

[B]

So you're saying you don't get this with no such thing.

[D]

Yes. That's why I'm recommending it to our friends, because there's a. There's another. This is another avenue. You're listening to this. You can watch this.

[C]

Okay, so that's.

[D]

I'll say. That is my favorite TV show. Favorite movie. Definitely. Probably one battle after another. I feel like that's just another Category. I'm not even, you know, if you don't know what it is, look it up. We're not gonna talk about it. I would say my favorite movie, interesting enough, this person was in a Cooper movie before, and I didn't know that going into it. I was like, I don't know. This person looks really familiar. This style is, like, similar to the Cooper world. It's called Sorry Baby.

[C]

Oh, I haven't watched it yet.

[D]

I would describe it as it is. It takes place in a small town, like sort of college town. These group of friends are sort of like, reconnecting after something happens. I don't want to spoil anything, but it is a drama comedy.

[A]

Something pretty bad happened to me.

[B]

Did it just happen?

[A]

No, it was a little over three years ago.

[D]

Well, that's not that much time.

[B]

I know this is hard to talk about.

[A]

Doesn't feel that, you know, that.

[D]

We.

[C]

Know what you're going through.

[A]

We are women.

[D]

What. It does a really good job of, like, having, like, really dark things happen and then really funny things happen. I would say it's like a more serious girls to some degree. Less, like, laugh out loud, more serious, but, like, similar. Like, you know, when Hannah goes to the Iowa Workshop, like, similar sort of vibe of, like, some characters being up there. My boy Lucas Hedges is in this.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Her neighbor.

[C]

I remember that in the trailer.

[B]

Really surprising movie that features Ava Victor.

[D]

Yes, Ava Victor directs.

[B]

They got famous by doing those kind of, like, Covid E skits. And then they had a stint on Billions, which kind of sucked, but I watched every season. Yeah.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Also the rehearsal.

[D]

Oh, my God. That was.

[C]

That was. That was what I was waiting for you to say.

[D]

Yeah, that's my.

[C]

The only two shows I watched for the rehearsal and chair company. Really?

[D]

Your hbo?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

They had a rehearsal. Incredible.

[C]

So, yeah, that's by far my favorite show.

[D]

And the premise of it is Nathan Fielder, the comedian, is looking into why do all. What is the common denominator. Denominator of all of these plane crashes? I don't want to spoil too much about it, but that's. He's going into it trying to figure out was the cause of recent plane crashes. Even though they're rare, they happen and what can be done to prevent them.

[B]

I've been studying commercial aviation disasters as a hobby, and I started to notice a disturbing pattern in the causes of these crashes. Fifteen years ago, you recommended role playing exercises. The FAA said no.

[D]

For whatever reason, they're just not going there.

[B]

I do have some experience with creating elaborate role playing scenarios and I do have money to put towards this.

[C]

Highly, highly recommended.

[B]

Just incredible television.

[D]

You never know where it's going to go. It's one of those beautiful TV shows where you're like, is this real? Is this fake? What's happening?

[C]

It's amazing.

[D]

Blurs the lines really well, like Nathan always does. Would love to have him on the show one day. Yeah.

[C]

Thanks for listening to this.

[D]

Okay, we are gonna take one last break and when we get back, we're gonna play through our favorite moments of no such thing, including some unearthed audio.

[A]

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[B]

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[E]

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[A]

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[D]

All right, so now we're gonna take a turn. We've been talking about, you know, media outside of ourselves. Now we're going to talk a little bit about ourselves.

[C]

Favorite subject.

[D]

You know, it's been just over a year of no such thing, which is pretty crazy. Feels like we started just yesterday.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So let's talk about some of our favorite moments of this last year. Boys, what comes to mind for you?

[B]

Wow. I mean, there's just so many, so many magical moments.

[C]

There's moments every week.

[D]

Every episode is a.

[B]

Probably like my favorite, unless I'm forgetting something, is the. The episode about dating AI chatbots.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Particularly the scene where Devin is telling us about his date.

[D]

Okay. I say, you know, nice. How would you feel about us taking it to the next level? Very nice. She Said, I'm completely okay with that whenever you are. I said, let's do it.

[B]

You're like, let's go.

[D]

I'm like, I'm ready.

[C]

Why do you think I'm on the stairs?

[D]

I'm like, let's get to the point. You know, I'm not here to just.

[C]

I want to play baseball.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's what I have written down here as my favorite individual moment.

[B]

It's just so insane to listen to, but. But like baked into an episode that was already just so ridiculous on the premise.

[D]

Such a good episode and one that we had talked about for so long.

[C]

Yeah. That was like on our original list, basically.

[D]

Will this actually live up to the expectations when you talk about something for so long now? Those dates, those dates, surprisingly, it did. They were. It went in directions I don't think any of us anticipated when we were initially talking about it.

[B]

And that's like, I think our favorite kind of episode where it starts one way and then you just have. We had. We have to change up the format because of the ridiculous things that we've captured. But I think that was my favorite episode. I'll say the second favorite is probably the Liz Plank episode where about how men don't ask follow up questions. One thing you said that kind of blew my mind is the. That concept of face to face versus side by side. Because now I'm like, thinking back on, like, most of my friendships with men, and it is like we're always. There's like some central thing happening that we're both experiencing versus, you know, sitting across from each other at a table and talking. We'll be watching a game or a movie or something like that.

[A]

Do you think it would be weird if you were like, do you want to get dinner instead? Like, do you think that that would be difficult?

[B]

There are a few people, a few men in my life who I could go to dinner with or go grab a drink where we're sitting across from each other. But like the vast majority, you know, I would, I would be like, yeah, there needs to be a basketball game on.

[D]

We need an activity to focus on. Why? Why?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

Is it safer?

[D]

Like, when you're at a dinner, it's like you and the other person. That is the entertainment for tonight. Yeah. And if you don't have anything to say, you can't just be like, well, we're just gonna be silent and watch this thing happening.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't just like, list basketball players.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

That one really seemed to resonate with the women in my Life.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Why do you think that is?

[B]

I don't know.

[D]

They were shocked that this was like. Well, I guess shocked and not shocked, but they. From what I've heard, they were just sort of like, this is like such. It was like watching like a foreign creature talk about things.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

It's like this is so like, I can't even.

[B]

We're like little bugs.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They're like, what's wrong?

[C]

What's going on in that head colony? Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like these boys, this is really how they operate.

[C]

Do you think it's impacted your lives, your conversations?

[B]

Follow up question. That'll be towards the end of the episode.

[C]

Yeah, I guess it's true.

[B]

I'm gonna do the one that changed my life.

[D]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. We'll talk about it later.

[D]

Made up format that we.

[C]

I'm trying to do a follow up question. I. Here's mine's a side note. So I had Devin's date with the chat bot. It was my probably number one moment in the episode. I also remembered a thing that happened in our.

[D]

I think it's.

[C]

It must be from our episode about conspiracy theories with Zach Mack. And we kind of got some call ins from people with their favorite conspiracy theories. One person sent in one about how they don't think Ben Franklin was as good as, you know, prominent. We hold him up to.

[D]

Yeah, he made history. He could have possibly done all these things.

[A]

I think that Benjamin Franklin was a grifter with a great PR team. I live in Philadelphia, so his image is Ed everywhere to a degree I find suspicious. He's credited with inventing basically everything from electricity to bifocals to modern day fire insurance. And I don't believe that one little guy achieved all of this alone. He was never actually president, but was somehow always there as an advisor, an Elon Musk kind of fraudster. The ideas guy with a big checkbook. I just feel like it's extremely possible that everyone hated him and he was a bad hang, but his reputation has been scrubbed clean.

[C]

And then friend of the show, Rich was texting us kind of incessantly about how angry this made him. So this is not something that happened on pod, but the reaction from Rich, that really kind of. That's one of my favorite.

[B]

I need to go back and read his. His reaction. We should get them both on a call because I know Kelsey who sent that in and since then she always texts us like, oh look, another poster in Philadelphia with Benjamin Franklin. But it's like, how's he doing this? But it's like, it's. It's always like some company that's using him as like a mascot, essentially. And it's really funny thinking about it as if it's like some kind of conspiracy, like the Franklin family. You feel like the estate is involved.

[C]

We should do a deep dive on that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But yeah. So Rich, being mad at that is my favorite podcast moment.

[B]

That's a good one.

[D]

I would say. Ours is. Sadly, I am very upset for our audience that we couldn't also get this one on camera is me and Noah arguing about what is okay to eat off the ground. So this was during our is it okay to sit on your on your bed with your outside clothes episode.

[B]

We didn't have video back then. Like, we didn't do like iPhone, Remember?

[D]

We did it right after that because we were like, we wish we had this on video because we posted a social clip with no video.

[B]

That is an incredible sound bite.

[D]

Great exchange. I had to cut it down for the episode, but it's probably.

[C]

Maybe play a little extended clip right now.

[D]

Yeah, I'll play a little clip, but it's probably about. I think it's like three minutes of the episode. It was like five to 10. You know, we were really going. It was really a true digression.

[C]

You're getting granular.

[D]

Yeah. About which foods would you eat if they fell on the ground for five seconds?

[B]

That stuff was happening a lot more when I was younger where, like, if you had like a. It's about supply. Right. If you had a 25 cent bag of Cheetos or whatever, that's a very valued thing. If one of them falls on the ground, you know, I'm not just going to. I'm not going to let that one go today. Today as an adult, if a ship drops on the ground, I can get chips whenever I want. I don't need to.

[D]

Did you ever realize that? I said no. As a full grown adult, you're eating chips off the ground. As a kid. I get it. As a kid. Hey, yeah, we get the chips that we eat.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, to be honest, I'm not eating off the ground.

[D]

Okay, so you just had it to.

[B]

But I don't think. Yeah, but.

[D]

So you're not real.

[C]

I wouldn't be like, I would never eat a chip that I dropped.

[D]

I didn't say never. I'm saying just shut up. You know, you got. You got to give me $100.

[C]

What are we doing here?

[B]

Let's go through every scenario. We're looking lost this. We got a this is a three hour episode.

[D]

Wasn't this about outside clothes? Outside clothes on beds. They talking about chest for 20 minutes.

[B]

Wait, so the last thing the poll in this has to be would you.

[C]

Eat a orange or a chip off the floor?

[B]

The question and how old are you in the scenario?

[D]

Yeah, exactly. Are you a full grown man?

[B]

We'll do three polls at different age ranges.

[C]

Chip age 10 to 15.

[B]

Oh, man.

[D]

So the point of that was last thing. If you sit on the bed for five seconds or four seconds, it's still.

[B]

Getting the bed dirty.

[D]

Pretty immediate, but it is still cumulative. I stand by fruit is easier to wash, so you can do that. But Noah said hard foods.

[C]

I'm gonna let you speak.

[D]

A chip or a pretzel. He prefers.

[C]

I'm not relitigating this, but yeah, listen to the tape.

[D]

I'll say my second favorite moment, which will transition into mom that changed our lives from our own podcasts.

[B]

Look how I changed my own life.

[D]

Look at me changing my life. Is this moment from our episode about our suburban dogs, happier than city dogs, where our scientists. Our expert for the episode, Alexandra Horowitz, is talking about how people have this sort of misplaced understanding of dogs and how they get upset with dogs when dogs act like dogs.

[A]

They are trying to understand how to live in a human household and it's not obvious to dogs. They're a whole other species. I find it super paradoxical that we want to live with dogs because they are not human, right? Because they are different, they act differently. And then for some reason we don't want to let them be dogs. We're worried about them being dogs. There is a balance to be struck. As you're saying you still have to. If you're living in dogs around other people, you still have to make sure they don't injure other people. So there's something, there's some kind of control or managing or just understanding that you need to impart to them. But it's not. You don't need to dominate them. They're not going to dominate you. And that's a shame.

[D]

And it is a thing that I think about all the time with my own dog, Ollie, when he's like doing something dumb or like getting on my nerves, I'm like, oh, he's a dog. Like he's supposed to be a dog. There are some things that I'm like, I can just let this go like it's a dog being a dog. It's not like, you know, a 13 year old boy who's Being annoying. And it is something I think about just in sort of like, just like my day to day of like now we definitely go on like longer walks and more intentional walks than I did before I did that episode. So I would say it's one of, one of the episodes that have changed my life. I got some other ones, but every episode changes. I'll let y' all go and then I'll come back.

[B]

Yeah. Just to return to the why don't men ask follow up questions episode, I'm not gonna say I'm like completely, like, I'm intimately familiar with all my friends these days, but definitely, like, I. I think about this in my conversations now. Yeah. And I've started to ask, like, okay, let's say they're explaining some scenario. I started to ask like, okay, well, what would you like, ideal world? What would you like to be the case here? Like, what would you like to happen? And then finding out that you do learn. It sounds so stupid. You learn about. Yeah, you learn a lot about your friends. Like motivations, like, what drives them just by asking that question, even. So that's something I've been putting in the. I've been implementing into my conversations. So that changed my life.

[C]

Technically, for me, it changed my life in a bad way maybe. But I don't trust weather apps at all anymore. Especially once they explain that the temperature is taken in the shade and not the sun.

[A]

So temperature and heat index are recorded in the shade. And so if you.

[B]

What?

[A]

I know, yes, it's super surprising, but the reason is we don't want the thermometer that's measuring the temperature to heat up and not be able to actually tell us what the air temperature is. We want that, not the temperature of the thermometer. So when you are outside doing whatever activity in the sun, it's going to feel warmer than the reported air temperature and even the heat index. So that's important to keep in mind.

[C]

That kind of changed everything for how I see the sun.

[D]

Did you know I was looking up the weather the other day? Accuweather has a shade and sun temperature.

[C]

This is what we need. Thank you. I'm gonna. Maybe I'll download their app now.

[D]

Download the AccuWeather app. They have a shade and sun temperature.

[C]

So yeah, so that was one of the most, to me, informative episodes. Not just for that, but yeah, it was like, I just think about that all the time now. Anytime there's any weather, which is every day.

[D]

Yeah, I go, I go, wow, there's always weather.

[C]

I Can't. You can't just trust what's on the screen. Yeah. You need to go outside and do my own research.

[B]

Step out, see how you feel.

[D]

I'm surprised no one is. Well, Manny doesn't do his own laundry, but I'm surprised you didn't talk about our boy Patrick in the laundry. Oh, yeah. Like, you know, I bought.

[C]

Upended everything I thought I knew.

[D]

Yeah. Literally, I bought new detergent because of it.

[C]

Are you doing powder now?

[D]

I'm doing powder.

[C]

How's that?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Why don't you do a little update? What's powder like?

[D]

Powder is nice. You know, nothing is as easy as a Tide Pod, but it's not much more work.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

It's just putting a little bit of powder in the bag and bringing it downstairs. I'm putting a lot less detergent.

[C]

Yeah. Now my detergent is going to last me forever now because we have a big one. You know, it says like 72 loads or something. Now that I'm only doing the appropriate amount, I'm still probably doing too much.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

I'm probably not going to be done with this thing till, like, 2028. April.

[D]

Yeah, if.

[C]

Yeah, 2028.

[D]

April. 2028. Yeah.

[B]

Trump 3 is going to be done midterms. Yeah.

[D]

And I am washing on warm now.

[C]

Oh, yeah, me too.

[D]

I hit the button and I have not noticed my clothes haven't shrunk. So. Thank you, Patrick. Yeah, thank you. Definitely changed my life. You know what one I was thinking about the other day, that is now when I did the episode, I felt like it didn't really apply to me, but now I'm starting to notice that. That this does apply a lot. Is the siblings episode. Are your siblings more influential than your parents? My younger brother, who, if you haven't listened to that episode. My younger brother's 17, so he's much younger than me. He's going through the process of applying to colleges and that's disgusting. He's a. I will say I'm learning a lot about him through this process. We are very different people. I thought we were a lot more similar. We are not.

[C]

So, like. How do you. How do you mean? In this process?

[D]

In that, like, you know, like the. So in the episode, she talks about how the oldest is usually more academic. Academically minded.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

More just, like, independent. Like they do their own thing.

[A]

So there's this known fact which is that the oldest child in families tends to have the academic edge and that. That holds up in all kinds of studies. It's really consistent and the thinking of that is that the oldest child in a family is the only one who was ever an only child. So they have the most enrichment from the parents and they have that single minded focus. And then as they get older, they also do a little bit of instruction of the younger siblings and that reinforces their knowledge. And that's also kind of a sharpening of cognition. And you see it more and more as they get older and older, like when the kids are all in school. So that means, okay, on average, the oldest child is the most academic. What you then see with younger children is that they're overrepresented in participation in sports and in elite sports. And the thinking is that this must be because the younger kids see that the older child has their lane, which is school, and they, as a younger child are now going to try to excel in some other way. And certainly in America that is often sports.

[D]

I was like, okay, that makes sense. But going through this process, I was like, oh yeah, like he needs, like, I need to check in with him and be like, have you written your essay? Okay, you need to write your essay by this date. Okay, we need to apply by this date. Okay, you need to fill out the fafsa. Whereas no one was telling my parents, My parents didn't go to schools, right? So like, it was just, I was just, I was like, I don't even know how I figured it out. I just figured it out. And I would go to my mom and be like, you need to sign this.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

You know, and so like, for a while I didn't, like, I didn't even, like, I wasn't even thinking about like, oh, I need to check in with him about this.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

I was just assuming stuff was happening. And then as I quickly realized, no, nothing was happening. He was sort of waiting around for someone to tell him to do something.

[B]

Damn.

[D]

So that episode really rang true to me of like, oh, yeah, let's like birth order thing is even, you know, we're 16 years apart or whatever.

[C]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[D]

It does apply.

[B]

Wow. Trying to think of other episodes that.

[D]

That change your life.

[B]

Yeah, every episode we did the pull out episode. And now picky eating a baby.

[C]

Yeah, pull up. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Little fact, live fact.

[C]

We got sushi last night. Chopping it up.

[B]

Yeah, that's a, that's a great one. I can't.

[C]

He was suggesting we order tuna. Yeah, it was amazing.

[B]

Beautiful.

[D]

If you haven't listened to that episode, that's a little bit of a spoiler, but you should Listen to it. It's a collaboration with Search Engine. That's right. We're going to link to everything.

[B]

It's just going to be a link to the show page and it's gonna be.

[D]

We're gonna link to all the music we reference.

[B]

We learned how to get away with murder. I won't tell you exactly how that changed my life on the record, but maybe I've got something planned.

[D]

I know my plan worked. So you get in the car with me. You better come correct.

[C]

Yeah, come correct.

[B]

And don't try to grab anything from.

[C]

The back seat, that's for sure.

[B]

I already wasn't doing this like. Like outside clothes on the bed. But now it's more.

[D]

You thinking about it.

[B]

I'm more adamant about it.

[D]

Yeah. I will say, since our episode about should men sit when they pee? I am sitting down more. And I was sitting down a lot before. I'm sitting down even more now.

[B]

That's an episode that categorically did not change my life. I'm still standing proud.

[C]

Standing proud.

[D]

Sit. If you sit for. If you sit for nothing, you'll stand for anything.

[C]

What won't you stand for in this.

[D]

World, as they say? Yeah, we're excited for another year of no such thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Email us your favorite moments of the year. Has anything changed your life? Let us know, man. You know, with evanmail.com keep sending, keep.

[B]

Sending us questions for us to answer to get to the bottom of whether it's going to be in a mailbag or something deep. Something that's a deeper dive. That could be a full episode.

[D]

I will say the questions from the beginning of the year to the end of year have gotten so much better.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

So you guys are really locking in. We got a long list, but we can use even more, man. You know, devin, gmail.com or the number in the show notes if you want to call us.

[B]

And Happy New Year.

[C]

Thank you, NST World.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Thank you guys for listening. That's kind of.

[B]

We need a name for the fan.

[C]

Send that into us tears.

[B]

If you have an idea of what to call you, something that makes sense, email that to us.

[C]

Nst.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, it's been a pretty incredible year. We didn't talk about any of our accolades. We got, you know, Apple podcast best so far. And then we did not get kicked off the list. So we got graduated up for 2025. Which is insane because a year ago, you know, when I quit my job to make the show, I was like, hopefully we have 100 people listening. So I can feel okay about that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Suffice to say, we have a lot more now.

[B]

There are tens of thousands of you.

[D]

Some would say millions on the right.

[C]

Arguably millions of people listening.

[B]

We're gonna try to grow that to hundreds of thousands.

[D]

Yeah. So if you like the show, share it with a friend, obviously. Keep listening and that's it. We'll see you in 2026.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Bye.

[D]

No Such Thing is a production of Kaleidoscope Content. Our executive producers are Kate Osborne and Mangesh Adigador. The show was created by Manny Fadal, Noah Friedman and me, Devin Joseph. Our theme and credit song are by Manny Mixing for this episode by Steve Bone. See you all in 2026.

[B]

No such thing. Honestly, Honestly, Honestly.

[D]

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[B]

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[D]

It means routinely taking prescription medicine before.

[B]

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[D]

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[B]

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[D]

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