This week, Quinn and Claire are joined by L'Oreal Thompson Payton, a bestselling author, award-winning journalist, yoga teacher, mom to a four-year-old junior bookseller, and the founder of Zora's Place, a Black-owned independent bookstore in Evanston, Illinois. She is also, somehow, simultaneously writing a memoir about infertility while going through IVF again. We don't know how she does it either.

We discuss: what it takes to run a brick-and-mortar bookstore (especially when you have a four-year-old who thinks she's the manager), the books we're hiding from our kids, IVF and the stuff nobody tells you about secondary infertility, and how to keep leafy greens fresh longer.

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Links:

Check out books and events at zorasplace.com or on Instagram @zorasplace.
Order books from the Zora's Place Bookshop storefront https://bookshop.org/shop/zorasplace
Read L'Oreal's books Amanda Gorman: Poet And Activist and Stop Waiting For Perfect
L'Oreal's memoir, Infertile Black Girl, is forthcoming from Beacon Press

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