Kitty Caught | Gunsmoke (07-21-57)

Summary

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Old Time Radio Westerns

Episode: Kitty Caught | Gunsmoke (07-21-57)
Host: Andrew Rhynes
Date: May 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Old Time Radio Westerns features a digitally restored broadcast of "Kitty Caught," a classic 1957 Gunsmoke radio drama. The story plunges Marshal Matt Dillon, his sidekick Chester, and friend Kitty into tension-filled pursuit after notorious bank robbers, the Karp brothers, pull off a daring heist—taking Kitty hostage. The episode weaves themes of bravery, loyalty, and survival across the Wild West landscape, brought to life by vivid sound design and gripping performances.

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Key Discussion Points & Plot Summary

A Quiet Dodge Morning & Troubling News (03:10–06:08)

• The day begins in Dodge City with Matt Dillon, Doc, and Chester sharing quiet banter.
• Chester returns from Wichita with news: the infamous Karp brothers—suspected bank robbers—are rumored to be heading to Dodge.
• The group discusses the danger the Karp brothers pose and the limitations on deputizing townsfolk for protection.

Notable Quote:
“The girls grow tall in Kansas… Poor Maddie. So busy.”
— Chester (04:27)

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The Bank Robbery & Hostage Crisis (06:24–10:23)

• Matt and Kitty visit the local bank, only to walk into the middle of the Karp brothers' heist.
• The Karps take Kitty hostage to ensure their escape, threatening her life if pursued.
• Intense dialogue as Matt tries, unsuccessfully, to offer himself in exchange for Kitty’s safety.

Notable Moment:
Joe Karp: “First person I ever killed was a woman. So don’t let nobody follow us.” (09:57)
Matt Dillon (to Karp): “Nobody else will follow you. I promise you that.” (10:05)

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The Pursuit & The Prairie (11:00–14:48)

• Matt and Chester, unable to immediately give chase, wait to avoid endangering Kitty.
• After the Karps are a safe distance ahead, Matt and Chester track the outlaws across the prairie.
• They discover a wounded cowboy who witnessed the kidnapping and killing, relaying vital information about the Karps’ direction toward a cabin.

Notable Quote:
Chester: “You reckon they’ll give her any breakfast?” (10:55)
Doc: “People don’t need much food, Chester. They can go for days without any at all.” (10:59)

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The Standoff at the Cabin (16:06–22:27)

• Matt and Chester stake out the Karps’ cabin overnight, wrestling with the tension of when or if to act.
• A suspenseful side-note: Chester narrowly avoids a rattlesnake bite, using spat tobacco to drive off the snake—providing brief comic relief in an otherwise tense situation.

Notable Quote:
Matt Dillon: “If that snake strikes at me, don’t yell. They’ll hear you at the cabin. … if he strikes, you close your eyes and stop breathing.” (17:57)
Chester: “I’ll try. Well, you do it.” (18:10)

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The Showdown & Rescue (20:38–23:03)

• The Karps, together with Kitty, emerge from the cabin. Matt and Chester must act decisively to save her.
• Under Matt’s command, both outlaws are shot in a tense and somber gunfight.

Notable Quotes:
Chester: “Mr. Dillon, what in the world are we gonna do?” (16:30)
Matt Dillon: “Right now, there’s nothing we can do but sit here and wait and keep quiet.” (16:33)

Kitty (after the gunfight): “Shot him down like dogs, didn’t you?” (22:18)
Matt Dillon: “Yeah, you bet we did.” (22:20)

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Aftermath & Emotional Fallout (22:27–23:03)

• Kitty faints from shock—Matt catches her, and Chester remarks on her ordeal.
• The men carry her inside to tend to her and get breakfast, reflecting on the moral complexities of violence and rescue.

Memorable Moment:
Kitty: “Thank you, Matt.” (22:23)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:10: Opening narration—“There’s just one way to handle the killers and the spoilers…”
• 06:24: Kitty and Matt arrive at the bank.
• 08:21–10:23: Hostage standoff and threats from Joe Karp.
• 11:00: Matt and Chester set out in pursuit.
• 14:48: Discovery of the wounded cowboy, hint about the cabin.
• 16:06: Standoff begins, stakeout at the cabin.
• 17:09–19:39: Rattlesnake incident—comic tension.
• 20:38: Karps and Kitty emerge from the cabin; prep for shootout.
• 22:18–22:23: Kitty’s reaction on being rescued.

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Notable Quotes

• Matt Dillon: “It’s a chancy job and it makes a man watchful and a little lonely.” (03:39)
• Joe Karp: “If I do shoot Kitty, I promise you one thing… I’ll do it with your gun.” (10:23)
• Chester: “Well, they can’t stay in that cabin forever…they’ll die of the heat cooped up in there.” (20:32)
• Kitty: “Shot him down like dogs, didn’t you?” (22:18)
• Matt Dillon: “Yeah, you bet we did.” (22:20)

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Tone & Atmosphere

• The episode balances tense suspense with dry humor and camaraderie among the leads.
• The moral ambiguity and emotional toll of frontier justice are clearly expressed, especially in Kitty’s reaction post-rescue.
• Subtle sound design—digitally enhanced by the podcast team—draws listeners deeper into the prairie and the life-or-death stakes.

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Conclusion

“Kitty Caught” is a classic, stripped-down Western tale of peril and rescue, distinguished by Gunsmoke’s trademark blend of suspense, character depth, and stark moral dilemmas. The digitally restored audio and the focus on atmospheric sound further immerse listeners, making this episode a standout presentation in the Old Time Radio Westerns series.

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Transcript

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[Matt Dillon]

Around Dodge City and in the territory on west, there's just one way to handle the killers and the spoilers. And that's where the U.S. marshal and the smell of gun smoke.

[Chester]

Gun smoke.

[Matt Dillon]

Starring William Conrad. The story of the violence that moved west with young America. And the story of a man who moved with it. I'm that man. Matt Dillon, United States Marshal. The first man they look for and the last they want to meet. It's a chancy job and it makes a man watchful and a little lonely.

[Chester]

Oh, Matt.

[Kitty]

Oh, Matt.

[Chester]

Anybody here this morning? I'll be right in, Doc. All right, man. The girls grow tall in Kansas. Poor Maddie. So busy. The girls grow tall.

[Matt Dillon]

That's a poor way to start the day, Doc.

[Chester]

And what's a poor way to getting

[Matt Dillon]

up in the morning?

[Chester]

Well, I'm not going to talk to you. Where's Chester? I'd rather talk to him now.

[Matt Dillon]

He's due back anytime now.

[Chester]

He's due back?

[Matt Dillon]

He took a prisoner over to Wichita a couple of days ago.

[Chester]

Oh, doggone it, if I'd have known that, I'd have gone with him.

[Matt Dillon]

Oh, what for?

[Chester]

Oh, just to get out of Dodge for a while.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, you've been out of Dodge for the last two days.

[Chester]

Oh, yes. Delivering a baby in a mud dugout isn't exactly what I was thinking about.

[Matt Dillon]

Man, I know what you were thinking about.

[Chester]

Morning, Mr. Doug.

[Matt Dillon]

You're back, Chester.

[Chester]

How was Wichita, Chester? A big town, Doc. Real big. But it wasn't there long. The Santa Fe going east got there at noon. The next one coming back here left at 2:00'. Clock.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, you could have stayed another day, you know.

[Kitty]

Evans.

[Matt Dillon]

Yes?

[Chester]

Why didn't. Oh, how often does a man get a chance to have a little fun? Well, I would have, but the sheriff there had some news he wanted me to tell Mr. Dun now.

[Matt Dillon]

Some news?

[Chester]

Yeah, it's about the Carp brothers. And the sheriff said he heard they was headed this way.

[Matt Dillon]

I didn't even know the Car brothers were in Kansas. I thought they worked at the Kota

[Chester]

territory bank robbers, aren't they, Matt?

[Matt Dillon]

So I've heard, Doc. But nobody's caught him at it yet.

[Chester]

Well, we'll catch them if they come to Dodge.

[Matt Dillon]

Maybe they could be here right now.

[Chester]

How Come.

[Matt Dillon]

The sheriff didn't send me a telegram, Chester. It'd been a little faster.

[Chester]

Well, I don't know, Bai Jing. I didn't think to ask him.

[Matt Dillon]

I'm gonna go down to the bank. I'll be back directly. Good morning, Kitty.

[Kitty]

Oh, hello, Matt.

[Matt Dillon]

You're up early this morning.

[Kitty]

I went to bed early last night.

[Matt Dillon]

Oh, where you headed?

[Kitty]

Delmonico's. I heard they got some fresh eggs in.

[Matt Dillon]

You're spoiled, but I'll go with you if you like.

[Kitty]

I like it fine, miss.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, I gotta see Mr. Bodkin at the bank here first. Why don't you go on ahead and I'll join you, huh?

[Kitty]

Well, how long will you be?

[Matt Dillon]

Oh, just a couple of minutes.

[Kitty]

Oh, well, then I'll wait in the bank for you. Okay, but if you're longer than a couple of minutes, you can find me the restaurant. I'm feeling pretty healthy this morning.

[Matt Dillon]

You ought to go to bed early every night.

[Kitty]

If I did, I couldn't afford breakfast. The place is deserted. You must be the only people up in Dodge, except for the cashier. Maybe you ought to wait till after breakfast, Matt.

[Matt Dillon]

No, Kitty, I'm afraid this business has waited too long as it is. Come in.

[Chester]

Well, Marshall Dillon.

[Joe Karp]

Come in.

[Chester]

Come in.

[Matt Dillon]

Morning, Mr. Bodkin. You come to deposit money, Marshal, or to borrow some?

[Joe Karp]

Neither.

[Matt Dillon]

I came to protect it.

[Chester]

What?

[Matt Dillon]

Mr. Bogkin, did you ever hear of the Karp brothers?

[Joe Karp]

No, Marshall, I don't believe I have.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, they've never been around Dodge. All I know is that they're brothers. And the older ones now name is Joe.

[Chester]

Why are you telling me this, Marshall?

[Matt Dillon]

I've heard they're headed for Dodge. And I've also heard that they're bank robbers.

[Chester]

Bank robbers?

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah.

[Chester]

Well, what do you plan to do?

[Matt Dillon]

Well, I can't hire deputies until after a crime's been committed, Mr. Bodkin. But if you'd like to, it might be a good idea to let a half a dozen of them wolf around

[Joe Karp]

here for a while. Certainly.

[Matt Dillon]

Certainly, Marshal.

[Chester]

I don't mind.

[Matt Dillon]

Little expense. What's that? It's them.

[Chester]

Now, where's my gun?

[Joe Karp]

Don't shoot or we kill a woman.

[Matt Dillon]

We're not shooting.

[Chester]

It killed the cashier.

[Joe Karp]

Hank, get around there and start filling that sack.

[Chester]

Okay.

[Joe Karp]

All right, lady, you walk in front of me. Either one of you try something, she dies.

[Matt Dillon]

He's coming his way, Marshal. Shoot him. Don't be a fool. Kelly's in the way. And besides, he's got a gun on her back.

[Chester]

They're Robbing my bank.

[Matt Dillon]

Shut up.

[Joe Karp]

Yeah, well, I'll be. I caught the marshal herself. Or I will have, as soon as I get his gun. Don't move.

[Matt Dillon]

No, I'm not moving.

[Joe Karp]

That is the first time I ever disarmed a lawman. Feels good.

[Matt Dillon]

Joe Karp.

[Joe Karp]

How'd you know my name?

[Matt Dillon]

Well, I heard you were headed this way, Karp, but I didn't hear it in time.

[Joe Karp]

You sure didn't, Marshall.

[Matt Dillon]

That's your brother you came in with.

[Joe Karp]

What difference does it make?

[Matt Dillon]

Look, take your money, Carp. Take it. And I'll ride out with you. Nobody will bother you.

[Kitty]

No, Matt.

[Matt Dillon]

Shut up, Kitty.

[Chester]

Ooh.

[Joe Karp]

Ooh, I see.

[Matt Dillon]

Nobody will shoot at you if I'm along.

[Joe Karp]

Not while we're in Dodge, maybe, but we'd be followed.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, then take me with you as far as you like.

[Chester]

No.

[Joe Karp]

No, Marshall. We'd be followed anyway. I got a better idea. We're taking her. Kitty, don't do it. Of course I'll do it. First sign I see we're being chased. Whoever it is, is gonna find Kitty laying right in the trail, fresh killed. And if you don't think I'll do it, I'll tell you something. First person I ever killed was a woman. So don't let nobody follow us.

[Matt Dillon]

Nobody else will follow you. I promise you that.

[Joe Karp]

I hate to lose such a pretty girl, Matt.

[Kitty]

It's all right.

[Matt Dillon]

Sure. Come on, Joe.

[Chester]

Let's get.

[Joe Karp]

You go in that office and sit down. Marshall. Hank's got the money ready, and we're leaving.

[Matt Dillon]

So long, Kitty.

[Joe Karp]

So long, Marshall. If I. If I do shoot Kitty, I promise you one thing. What? I'll do it with your gun.

[Chester]

Mr. Jones.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah? What, Chester?

[Chester]

You reckon they'll give her any breakfast?

[Matt Dillon]

I don't know, Chester.

[Chester]

Oh, dear. People don't need much food, Chester. They can go for days without any at all. I know that, Doc, but. Well, Miss Kitty just ain't used to it. It's water people need. And they'll have water they will if they took any with them. It's mighty dry out on the prairie this time of year. Oh, it's not that dry. Any fool can find water somewhere. Sure he can. If he pollard a buffalo herd long enough. A week, maybe. There's other ways. Just like what? Do you ever hear of a divining rod? Oh, what's outlaws doing with divining? I wasn't talking about outlaws. Well, what was?

[Matt Dillon]

I was talking.

[Chester]

Hannah. Man talking.

[Matt Dillon]

Chester. Chester.

[Chester]

Yes, sir.

[Matt Dillon]

I guess we've waited long enough. They must have covered Three or four miles by now, huh?

[Chester]

Yes, sir.

[Matt Dillon]

Everything ready?

[Chester]

Everything I could think of, Mr. Dillon.

[Matt Dillon]

Let's get going, then.

[Chester]

Good luck, Mac.

[Matt Dillon]

Oh, thanks, Doug. Keep an eye on things, huh? Maybe a long time before we get back. From the bank window, I'd watch the Carp brothers ride north on a Dodge. So Chester and I started in the same direction on the other side of the Arkansas. We picked up their trail and followed it easily all morning. But we were careful to stay far behind them and out of sight. Although we probably could have run them down in a few hours. That was the hardest part of it. Forcing ourselves to hold back and go slow.

[Chester]

Mr. Dillon, you think Tarp would really do it?

[Matt Dillon]

Do what, Chester?

[Joe Karp]

You know.

[Chester]

Do you?

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah.

[Joe Karp]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Dillon]

Chester.

[Chester]

Yeah?

[Matt Dillon]

Look up ahead there on the ground.

[Chester]

What you doing?

[Matt Dillon]

Let's see who it is.

[Chester]

It's a man, Mr. Dillon. Must be some cowboy.

[Matt Dillon]

He's been shot. Bring your water packet?

[Chester]

Yes.

[Matt Dillon]

He's still breathing.

[Kitty]

Yeah.

[Matt Dillon]

Let me have that. You want a drink? You thirsty?

[Joe Karp]

Drink some water. Here. Who are you?

[Matt Dillon]

Marshall Dullen from Dodge. Tell me what happened, Marshall.

[Joe Karp]

And I was right.

[Matt Dillon]

Right?

[Joe Karp]

Them two men and that girl.

[Chester]

Hold my head up.

[Matt Dillon]

Is that better?

[Joe Karp]

Full of blood, Marshall. They hurt me bad.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah.

[Joe Karp]

My knees bleed.

[Matt Dillon]

What happened?

[Joe Karp]

Them two men, Marshall. You're after them, Mitchell.

[Matt Dillon]

I'm after them.

[Joe Karp]

I seen them and I rode up. And then I asked them who they was. They didn't like that.

[Matt Dillon]

No.

[Joe Karp]

I knew something was wrong, that girl and all, but I ain't no gunman. They shot me right out of my saddle. Both of them, at once.

[Matt Dillon]

We'll get them blamed, if that's any help to you.

[Joe Karp]

It don't matter now, but that girl shouldn't be with him.

[Matt Dillon]

Could you hear them? Did they say anything?

[Joe Karp]

Something about a cabin.

[Matt Dillon]

A cabin? Look, Blaine, my partner here, Chester, he'll stay with you.

[Chester]

Sure, I will. I'll take care of you, Blaine.

[Joe Karp]

Thanks. Won't do no good. You better go help catch him from it.

[Matt Dillon]

I'll handle him. Take whatever you want off my saddle, Chester. And get a fire going. Here, huh?

[Chester]

Yes.

[Matt Dillon]

You're gonna be fine, Blade. So on. I rode ahead, tracking slowly for a couple of hours. And then Chester caught up with me. He looked at me for a moment, and then, without saying a word, we continued on the trail across the prairie. We traveled in silence until dark. And then we saw a cabin. I couldn't chance going up to it, so we unsaddled and turned our horses loose and crept into a little draw about a hundred yards Away and got down and waited. We waited all night. Dawn came and the sun, hot as ever.

[Chester]

Ain't never coming out of that cabin, Ms. Field.

[Matt Dillon]

Sooner or later. Chester, look.

[Chester]

They got a fire going now. Smoke coming out of the chimney. Breakfast. I am so hungry.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, the Manka got along without the food, Chester, like Doc said.

[Chester]

Well, at least Miss Kitty's gonna get something to eat.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah.

[Chester]

Mr. Dillon, what in the world are we gonna do?

[Matt Dillon]

Right now, there's nothing we can do but sit here and wait and keep quiet. You know what'll happen if they find out we're out here.

[Chester]

I know, but I ain't thinking about it.

[Matt Dillon]

You better get back down. I'll stay up here where I can watch.

[Chester]

Yeah, but they can see you, Mr. Dillon.

[Matt Dillon]

No, I got a little bunch of buffalo grass in front of me. It's enough.

[Chester]

Sure he's getting hot.

[Matt Dillon]

Just be sure and keep your voice low.

[Chester]

I will. You know, if it wasn't for Sam in the cabin, it'd be awful peaceful out here, wouldn't it?

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah, it would.

[Chester]

Mr. Dillon.

[Matt Dillon]

What?

[Chester]

Rattlesnake. She's behind you on top of the hole, about five foot.

[Matt Dillon]

Back your head, Chester. Whatever you do, don't move.

[Chester]

He's a pretty big one. Maybe three and a half, four foot.

[Matt Dillon]

Look, how far are you from him?

[Chester]

Far enough, unless he uncoils, moves up.

[Matt Dillon]

All right. Just keep very still. He may go away.

[Chester]

He ain't about to go away. Did you just move my hand? Just a little.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, don't do it again, Mr. Dillon.

[Chester]

He's stretching out. He's moving. What?

[Matt Dillon]

Which way?

[Chester]

Toward you.

[Matt Dillon]

Steady now.

[Chester]

He stopped. He's calling again.

[Matt Dillon]

Chester.

[Chester]

Yeah?

[Matt Dillon]

If that snake strikes at me, don't yell. They'll hear you at the cabin. Just start thinking about it. Now, if he strikes, you close your eyes and stop breathing. Do you hear me?

[Chester]

Well, I'll try. Well, you do it.

[Matt Dillon]

You understand?

[Chester]

Yes, sir. He's looking at me again.

[Matt Dillon]

You move, Chester. You must have.

[Chester]

I got my rifle aimed at you.

[Matt Dillon]

Will you stop it? Will you get your finger off that trigger right now?

[Chester]

Well, I can't sit here and just watch that rat.

[Matt Dillon]

If you shoot, Kitty, you'll die. Don't you know that?

[Chester]

I didn't move, Mr. Dillon. Honestly didn't.

[Matt Dillon]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. I got an idea.

[Joe Karp]

What,

[Matt Dillon]

Chester? You chewing?

[Chester]

What?

[Matt Dillon]

Chewing.

[Chester]

Chewing. Hold it back.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah.

[Chester]

No, sir, but I got a fairly fresh quid in my shirt pocket.

[Matt Dillon]

Okay, we'll chance it. Get that quid into your mouth, but do it slow. Slow and as steady as you can manage it. Once you start moving your hand, don't stop, you understand? All right, go ahead.

[Chester]

Okay. I already got fingers in my pocket. There it is.

[Matt Dillon]

Slow and steady now.

[Chester]

I'm trying here in the mouth now.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, now juice it up, huh? Get a big mouthful.

[Chester]

I am.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, Chester, I've heard you brag about how good you can spit. Can you hit that rattler from there?

[Chester]

Maybe.

[Matt Dillon]

Okay, do it.

[Chester]

But I only got one shot. I can't make it. I just can't do it.

[Matt Dillon]

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Chester, you got a mouthful?

[Chester]

Yes, sir.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, take your time. Now move and make him look at you and then you sputter him right in the eyes. Okay, Go ahead.

[Chester]

Snake. Hey, Snake, look. I got him, Mr. Dillon. I got him. He's leaving. There he goes. He's gone. It worked. Well, they can't stay in that cabin forever, Mr. Dillon. They'll die of the heat cooped up in there.

[Matt Dillon]

It's only about 10 o', clock, Chester.

[Chester]

Oh, my. I hope they gave Miss Kitty some breakfast. Chester, look.

[Matt Dillon]

The door's open.

[Chester]

Are they coming out?

[Matt Dillon]

Get your rifle. Take it easy now.

[Chester]

It's Miss Kitty.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah. Joe Carp's behind her and there's his brother.

[Chester]

They're all outside now. What are we gonna do?

[Matt Dillon]

We're gonna have to kill em, Chester.

[Chester]

You mean just shoot em down from here? Cold blooded.

[Matt Dillon]

Well, how would you want to do it?

[Chester]

I'm ready, Mr. Dillon.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, then. Take the one on your side. I'll take Joe.

[Chester]

Miss Kitty's standing awful close to him.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah, I know she is. When I say hold your breath, you do it. Then you count to yourself, 1, 2, 3, and then fire.

[Chester]

I'm safe.

[Matt Dillon]

All right, hold your breath. All right, come on, let's go. Chester. Kitty, get back inside.

[Chester]

Joe carp's still alive. Mr. Dilly's reaching for his gun.

[Matt Dillon]

Come on.

[Chester]

They're dead. They're both dead now.

[Matt Dillon]

Okay. Kitty. Are you all right? Kitty?

[Kitty]

Good to see you, Matt. You too, Chester.

[Matt Dillon]

I said, are you all right?

[Kitty]

Shot him down like dogs, didn't you?

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah, you bet we did.

[Kitty]

Thank you, Matt. Come on.

[Matt Dillon]

Here.

[Chester]

She painted, Mr. Dylan. It's a good thing you caught her.

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah. I'll carry her inside, Chester. Come on, we'll get some breakfast going. They probably didn't feed her after all.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Gun Smoke Produced and directed by Norman McDonnell stars William Conrad as Matt Dillon, U.S. marshal. The story was specially written for Gunsmoke by John Meston. Featured in the cast were John Dana, Vic Peron and Harry Bartel. Harley Bear is Chester, Howard McNair is Doc, and Georgia Ellis is Kitty. Join us again next week for another story on Guns and Smoke.

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