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Older & Wilder
Hosted by GGW Media · EN
Funny, honest, easy to listen to - we are often described as, "like listening to your best friends have a conversation at dinner."
This is Joy and Claire is an evolution of the weekly podcast Girls Gone WOD, which we created back in June 2013. Since then we have released over 400 weekly episodes and bonus features, and created an amazing community of supportive listeners around the world.
We are so excited to bring years of podcasting experience to this new project, with honesty, humor, and insights on everything from mental health, wellness, marriage, and parenting, to all the other random things that you’d talk to your friends about. Subscribe now and join the conversation!
www.joyandclaire.com
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Family Time Recap
1w ago00:20:51Tap to summarizeFather’s Day Adventures, Wildfire Worries, and Life UpdatesJoey and Claire share a post–Father’s Day episode covering family outings and life updates. Claire describes a cooler La Sals climbing day near Moab with other families, kids’ backseat squabbles, and rescuing a three-legged dog. Joy updates listeners that her dad is improving after an accident, off oxygen, staying active. They also spread their dog JT’s ashes in Westcliffe and made a resin memorial to cement near the creek, inviting others to send memorial items. They discuss Claire's dad’s metastatic melanoma, aging and staying mobile, BASE jumping deaths in Moab, weird Facebook Marketplace finds, and reality TV takes (Love Island, Summer House).00:00 Father’s Day Catch-Up00:25 Climbing in La Sals01:09 Backseat Sibling Battles02:00 Three-Legged Dog Rescue02:31 Smoke and Fire Season04:39 Where to Live Debate08:53 Ronnie Z Health Update12:19 Spreading JT’s Ashes13:56 Creekside Memorial Plans17:06 John Hay Melanoma Update18:01 Sibling Age Gaps19:49 Brothers and Texting21:11 Texting Etiquette Confessions22:34 Aging and Staying Active23:30 Aging And Injuries23:46 Cartwheels And Animal Moves26:07 Martial Arts Falls26:44 Just Pull Harder28:03 Kids Climb Everything29:15 Moab Base Jumping Tragedy32:33 Weird Marketplace Finds35:16 Reality TV Rabbit Hole39:50 Husband Best Friend Debate40:58 Wrap Up And Plugs
Transcribe →Ronnie's Creek Adventure
2w ago00:18:16Tap to summarizeRonnie’s Lawnmower Accident, Hospital Aftercare, and Finding Joy OnlineJoy and Claire discuss Joy’s Father’s Day weekend plans and a serious accident involving Joy’s 84-year-old dad who tipped a riding lawnmower. He went to the ER, was transferred to Colorado Springs, spent time in the ICU, and was diagnosed with seven fractured ribs, with scans to rule out internal complications. Joy emphasizes how crucial attentive nurses and having another person present for discharge instructions can be, notes her mom’s overwhelm, and reflects on accepting an aging parent’s autonomy when he insisted on going home with oxygen, a walker, and breathing exercises. They broaden the conversation to staying active and avoiding overcomplicating health. Claire shares two joyful viral trends: the “Dominican Sisters Open Mic” nun podcast and Europeans’ reactions to American culture and scale.00:00 Welcome Back and Fathers Day00:30 The Accident Call01:42 What Happened at the Creek05:13 The Real Story Revealed09:51 ER Scan and Transfer10:52 ICU Visit and Great Nurses13:21 Aftercare and Advocating16:57 Healthcare Burnout Talk18:44 Hospital Gratitude19:00 Dad Insists Going Home21:14 Aftercare And Recovery24:43 Staying Active Matters28:53 Viral Nun Podcast31:33 Pride Weekend In Lincoln33:48 Europeans React To America36:02 Wrap Up And Fathers Day
Transcribe →Small Town and Gym Life
3w ago00:22:24Tap to summarizeHaircuts, Rec Center Workouts, a Bozeman Concert, and Remembering Chris MooreJoy and Claire catch up on Claire's new haircut, including a subtle side undercut meant as a low-maintenance nod to her former mullet, and her small-town Moab salon experience. They discuss how making friends in a new town can hinge on community spaces. Joy commits to the rec center, explores the weight room, and embraces fun classes like BodyPump rather than rigid “should” rules about fitness. Joy shares gardening projects as a coping outlet, her interest in quirky workouts like Kangoo Jumps, and a question about Trader Joe’s small talk. Updates include a new puppy-raising dog, McCoy, Moab’s sudden heat and the dogs’ sunbathing, a Montana trip to Bozeman for a Marcus Mumford concert disrupted by very drunk attendees, upcoming travel and Pride event help in Lincoln, and a reflection on the 10-year anniversary of Barbell Shrugged host Chris Moore’s sudden death and the impact of their final interview.00:00 Welcome and No Chat00:36 New Haircut and Undercut01:25 Mullet Nostalgia and Styling03:41 Peloton Hair Inspiration04:40 Moab Salon Behind Gelato05:53 Small Town Friend Talk Bagels08:10 No Church Get a Gym09:51 Rec Center Weight Room Return13:26 Workout Rules and Stacy Sims16:18 Gardening Soreness and Aging17:48 Kangoo Jumps and Fitness Fads19:05 Trader Joe's Small Talk21:08 McCoy the New Puppy22:24 New Puppy Vibes23:00 Moab Summer Heat23:39 Dogs Sunbathing25:00 Turf Yard Update25:33 Bozeman Trip Recap28:35 Concert Crowd Chaos31:21 Travel Plans Ahead32:15 Nebraska Pride Weekend33:48 Taylor Wedding Rumors35:26 Swiftie Easter Eggs39:04 Remembering Chris Moore44:15 Wrap Up and Goodbye
Transcribe →90's Parties and Crime Fighting
Jun 400:24:17Tap to summarizeA ’90s Party, AI Anxiety, and an Unexpected Brushfire BustJoy and Claire chat about the fast passage of time, a full moon, and Claire’s ’90s outfit for a decades-themed 40th birthday party—complete with butterfly clips, a choker and mini backpack borrowed from her daughter—sparking nostalgia about music, school routines, and teen insecurities. They discuss aging and appearance pressures amplified by phones, Zoom, Botox, facelifts, and celebrity standards, plus skepticism about gurus after a flawed Stacey Sims hydration take. The conversation turns to AI: fears, a papal critique, productivity benefits, data-center controversies, and how AI accelerates workplace expectations. Claire shares a Moab encounter with an engineer connected to the James Webb Space Telescope, highlighting creativity in STEM. Joy recounts spotting and reporting an arsonist starting a brush fire near I-25, leading to an arrest. They close with product notes (Act&Acre hard water shampoo, sun gloves, ORLY breathable polish, Ilia SPF skin tint).00:00 Welcome and June Time Warp00:53 Full Moon and 40th Party01:21 Clueless Outfit Breakdown03:50 Reunions and Disposable Cameras06:10 90s Bedrooms and Bunk Beds07:46 90s Routines and Hair Hacks10:02 Chumbawamba Grasslands Story11:13 Teen Insecurities Then Now13:20 Mirrors Phones and Zoom Face16:02 Facelifts Ozempic and Gurus18:18 Hydration Myth and Electrolytes19:45 Commercialization and GLP-1 Talk20:30 Pharma Ads Culture Shock21:15 AI Anxiety and The Pope22:47 AI at Work and Data Centers27:35 Moab Ice Cream NASA Encounter34:55 Arsonist Spotted and 911 Call41:23 Rec Center Fitness Reset42:37 Products and Pet Peeves47:41 Wrap Up and Goodbye
Transcribe →Jellycats, Community Cliques, and Redefining Normality
May 2800:25:35Tap to summarizeMemorial Day Plans, Jellycat Shopping, and the GLP-1 Cultural DebateJoy and Claire catch up over Memorial Day weekend, sharing family activities in Moab, recurring McDonald’s order mishaps, an e-bike picnic, paddleboarding plans, and a quick Arizona trip for a friend’s daughter’s high school graduation. They discuss the cliquey dynamics of making friends in a Utah town with a strong LDS subculture plus humorous travel stories including a seatmate chewing tobacco on a plane. A highlight is Scott’s Chicago shopping spree at a Jellycat store, buying a sold-out grumpy turtle for Miles. They then address Instagram responses about GLP-1 medications, emphasizing benefits for metabolic health while criticizing cultural trends toward extreme weight loss, unsafe normalization, marketing, and stigma. They end with favorite products: Theraface red-light mask, ILIA makeup, and the Intake nose opener.00:00 Memorial Day Catchup00:34 Makeup At 7 AM01:05 McDonalds Order Chaos03:02 Park Picnic And Paddleboard03:40 Arizona Graduation Trip05:46 Hibachi And Choir Memories08:29 Mormon Town Culture Shock10:52 Making Friends In Moab14:02 Jellycat Store Adventure20:59 Library Pets And Dog Tales23:21 Brandon Phone Jump Scares24:19 Gross Plane Seatmate Story25:47 Travel Brings Out Weirdness28:26 Short Person Overhead Bag Hack29:21 GLP-1 Nuance Not Judgment33:51 Culture Shift Toward Waif Era38:27 Health First Not Weight Loss40:17 Marketing Profits and Safety Concerns44:27 Vitamins Malnutrition and Hair Loss45:57 Favorite Products and Wrap Up
Transcribe →Lenet Rivas on Building Wealth
May 2100:27:38Tap to summarizeBlue Otter Financial Planning: Joy and Claire welcome back Lenet Rivas to discuss her new business, Blue Otter Financial Planning, launched after a layoff and inspired by conversations at a Surf with Amigas retreat. Lenet shares her background in financial aid at Emory, then Fidelity and investment management, and explains leaving product- and target-driven models to offer flat-fee planning for people—especially women—who don’t meet typical $500K asset minimums. They discuss consolidating scattered old employer 401(k)s into an IRA, aligning investments with risk tolerance and time horizon, and how target-date funds often default people into mismatched allocations; Joy describes gaining confidence, discovering a pension, and improving results after adjusting investments. The episode also covers money shame, patriarchy in finance, spending vs. saving mindset, and practical questions to ask parents about estate plans, accounts, and wills.00:00 Meet Lenet and Blue Otter01:19 From Taxes to Entrepreneurship04:15 The Retreat Seed and Layoff Leap06:51 Traveling While Building the Plan09:40 Who Blue Otter Serves13:33 Joy’s Account Consolidation Win15:28 Money Fear and the KFC Analogy22:01 Fixing Default 401k Investments27:05 Target Date Funds vs ETFs28:22 Confidence to Manage Your 401k29:13 Fix Your 401k Mix29:42 Shame And Money Talk31:28 Beating The Patriarchy33:20 From Saving To Spending36:16 Facing The Real Numbers40:37 Family Money Planning42:26 Questions For Parents47:39 How To Work Together49:50 Why Blue Otter52:18 Coffee Cart Dreams53:58 Where To Find Lenet54:22 Final Wrap And Goodbye
Transcribe →Turn In & Travel Plans
May 1400:22:47Tap to summarizeMother’s Day on the Green River, Moab Race Meetup, and Puppy Turn-In UpdatesJoy and Claire chat about early wake-ups, airline announcements, and pilot “too much detail” stories. They share Mother’s Day plans to float the Green River “Daily” near Moab and discuss refining their rafting boat packing system. From their Peru group chat, they float the idea of an unofficial Moab meet-up around a trail race weekend (15K, half, marathon, 50K) and advise booking hotels over pricey Airbnbs, noting the April 24, 2027 date. They discuss nostalgia for No Doubt, a gory dark-comedy film “Send Help” starring Rachel McAdams and directed by Sam Raimi, and Joy finishing the climbing docuseries “The Dark Wizard.” Joy previews Lilas' upcoming CCI puppy turn-in, talks puppy-raising realities and grief, answers Q&A on Mind Pump, finding a workplace mentor, and dog toy recommendations for strong chewers.00:00 Podcast Welcome00:47 Pilot Oversharing Stories03:04 Listening In Flight03:49 Flight Tracking Anxiety05:01 Pentagon Twin Day06:16 Mothers Day Float Plan08:30 Rafting Gear Systems10:14 Moab Race Meetup Idea13:09 Where To Stay In Moab15:19 No Doubt Nostalgia17:24 Send Help Movie Review19:40 Dark Wizard Doc Update21:21 Climbing Doc Obsession23:18 Leila Turn In Emotions26:30 Service Dog Reality Check28:20 Haynes Toy Chase Antics30:46 Puppy Raising Community32:17 Mind Pump Bros Take34:55 Finding Work Mentors39:12 Toys For Strong Chewers44:17 Moab Meetup And Wrap
Transcribe →What We're Watching & Reading
May 700:22:46Tap to summarizeSocial Media Breaks, Peru Reset, and What We’re Watching & ReadingClaire and Joy open with Arrested Development jokes and then discuss how meme culture and news consumption feel bleak, leading Joy to describe a mental-health-improving Peru “hard reset” of staying off social media, avoiding push notifications, and getting news from traditional outlets instead. They reflect on feeling helpless about Supreme Court decisions and on social media outrage/cancel culture, citing “Therapy Jeff” and mentioning Mel Robbins. Claire shares family updates, including Evie’s Beauty and the Beast dance recital and Miles’ extra energy now that he’s between sports, plus a chat about slow unpacking and liking Away luggage. They recommend HBO’s climbing docuseries “The Dark Wizard” about Dean Potter, discuss Lena Dunham’s memoir and Girls, and Claire lists recent fiction reads while panning The Comfort Crisis, before plugging their Instagram, TikTok, and email.00:00 Welcome and Hop Ons00:22 Arrested Development Quotes01:39 Meme Days Check In02:21 Social Media Detox03:54 Supreme Court Spiral06:47 Peru Airplane Mode08:16 Therapy Influencer Drama11:28 Dance Recital Chaos15:28 Post Trip Unpacking17:44 Away Luggage and Points19:37 Dark Wizard Docuseries22:20 Climbing Subculture World23:51 Climbing Brotherhood24:20 Rivalry and Territorialism25:24 Dean vs Alex Debate26:02 El Cap Ethics27:30 Watching Free Solo29:11 Series Recommendation29:32 Lena Dunham Memoir33:15 Girls Fame Fallout37:25 Fiction Book Picks39:20 Comfort Crisis Rant42:37 More Reads and Wrap43:15 Social Media Goodbye
Transcribe →Post-Peru Reflections
Apr 3000:21:07Tap to summarizePeru Post-Trip Blues, Surf Retreat Highlights, and Planning Japan 2028Joy and Claire recap travel and post-trip depression after Peru, including Claire extending her trip for a Peru surf retreat in Chiama with Surf with Amigas, riding unusually long left waves, visiting archaeological sites, and seeing the preserved “Lady of Cao.” They describe a stressful Cusco-to-Lima flight delay due to the plane being too heavy, resulting in many bags left behind, and praise guide Leo for getting everyone’s luggage recovered before flights home. They discuss planning a Go Ahead Tours Japan trip for May 2028, outline the “Japan for Women” itinerary, and how they’ll share signup info. Back home, Joy starts a new job at Headspace as director of therapy, Scott also gets promoted, and they plan to puppy-raise again by taking over a six-month-old yellow lab named McCoy after turning in Lilas.03:15 Not Saving Memories03:47 Trip Photos Exception04:42 Peru Travel Day06:37 Surf Retreat Highlights07:31 Peru History Shock08:21 Pisco Sour Hangover11:24 Lost Luggage Drama15:33 Post Trip Blues18:05 Japan 2028 Tease20:50 Back to Work Updates22:13 Puppy Raising Again23:46 Meet McCoy24:25 Collar Scholars Week26:10 Dogs Want Dinner26:41 Summer Schedule Chaos28:36 Trips And Concerts29:21 Dean Potter Doc33:58 Van Life Reality Check36:15 Gym Pricing Rant40:22 Garage Gym Plans41:35 Wrap Up And Plugs
Transcribe →Live From Peru!
Apr 2300:28:37Tap to summarizeOlder and Wilder Live in Peru: Sacred Valley Reflections, Machu Picchu Magic, and Leo’s Tour-Guide LegendsJoy and Claire record a live “Older and Wilder” episode reflecting on how group travel with EF Go Ahead Tours removes the stress of planning and creates immersive cultural experiences. Travelers share motivations (community, FOMO, bucket-list Machu Picchu) and favorite moments: Machu Picchu, Incan archaeological sites, a community lunch and ceremony, women’s weaving cooperative, cooking class, churros in Lima, cathedral art, bus rides on narrow roads, and an ’80s dance party/karaoke on the train. Guide Leo explains his path to tour directing, love of sharing Peru, and encourages visitors to explore beyond Machu Picchu, including food, Arequipa, Nasca lines, and the Amazon.00:00 Live From Peru01:04 Sacred Valley Vibes02:25 Unplugging From News04:34 Why Peru Happened05:30 No Planning Needed06:54 Trip Community Magic09:13 Passing The Mic10:42 Traveler Stories Begin12:52 Train Karaoke Memories19:12 Big Picture Takeaways22:02 Churros And Bus Skills25:18 Cooking Class Chaos26:40 Machu Picchu Highlights27:27 Weaving Cooperative Magic28:36 FOMO And Friendship30:06 Why Group Trips Matter31:30 Cusco Culture Layers32:42 Unrepeatable Travel Moments34:57 Dogs Dances And Daily Life37:05 Cat Shoutouts And Cathedrals38:44 Pride And Shared Culture42:44 Thanking Leo The Guide46:12 Leo Origin Story51:58 Leo Moments And Next Trips55:48 Japan Plans And Farewell
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