Once We Had a Point | Episode #7

Summary

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Once We Had a Point | Once We Were Spacemen Episode #7

Release Date: December 17, 2025
Hosts: Nathan Fillion & Alan Tudyk

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Episode Overview

This episode of Once We Were Spacemen sees Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk at their most candid and playful, drifting through topics from career reflections and the quirks of aging in Hollywood to aliens, handshakes, and the oddities that make them tick. True to the tongue-in-cheek title, the conversation is meandering and lighthearted, reveling in their friendship and the freedom of a “no real agenda” format. For fans of Firefly, creative careers, and great banter, this episode delivers a generous helping of nostalgia, humor, and nerdy speculation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Career Reflections and Not Caring as Much Anymore

• Alan opens by sharing a moment of realizing he no longer gets emotionally invested in on-set conflicts:

  “I found myself in a project recently and...the director was telling me to do it this way, and one of the lead actors was telling me to do it another way. And I just did it the way that they told me to do it. And I honestly didn’t care...when did I stop caring?” (00:00-00:17)

• Nathan jokes it’s because Alan is old now, and the two riff on how youth brings intensity, but age brings perspective:

  “When you became old, Alan. You just became an old man.” (00:24)

2. Gratitude and Success Narratives

• Nathan talks openly about being “literally living the dream,” working on the biggest movies (Deadpool, Wolverine, Superman), and having the best job on The Rookie—but also the awkwardness of sharing that in casual conversation:

  “There's my name up there in lights... I am the biggest asshole there.” (02:30-03:18)
  Alan quips: “Are you saying this to, like, a barista?” (03:18)

• Nathan and Alan discuss the shifting landscape for actors, referencing Alan’s move out of L.A. (to Vancouver), and the ebb and flow of opportunity.

3. On Belief in Aliens and Cosmic Humility

• Both reveal they believe in aliens, with Alan reflecting:

  “We know so little, we don’t even know what we know...imagine the stuff we don’t know that we really don’t know.” (05:04-05:33)

• Nathan introduces the Dunning-Kruger effect and tells the lemon juice bank robber story:

  “He rubbed lemon juice on his face...thinking it would render him invisible to the cameras.” (06:00-06:27)

• Alan shares a friend’s Resident Alien-style UFO sighting, and Nathan recounts his own mysterious triangle-shaped lights witnessed with his mother in Edmonton:

  “In a triangle shape. There were three lights...tumbling over... I heard my mother say, did anyone see that?” (08:03-09:12)

4. Prehistoric Civilizations and Ancient Anomalies

• Nathan dives into theories of lost civilizations and anomalies, like underground structures under the Pyramids of Giza:

  “We found massive structures going 2 km down under the pyramids of Giza.” (10:14-10:19)

• Alan humorously compares this to finding a crawl space in a rented apartment:

  “I found a crawl space in...an apartment that I rented once. I talked about it for months.” (10:23-10:29)

5. Alien Drones and First Contacts—A Dose of Caution

• Nathan proposes that classic “little green men” might be alien drones sent by ancient civilizations—not beings, just data collectors.

  “What if...this was their form of drone, and they’re still out there somewhere...sending out probes...” (10:35-11:20)

• Alan warns against wishing for “savior aliens,” invoking historical colonialism:

  “An advanced civilization meeting a not so advanced civilization...does not end up well for the not so advanced civilization.” (11:41-11:49)

6. Nostalgia, Roles, and Showbiz Stories

• Alan and Nathan reminisce about working together, their science fiction roles, and Alan’s chameleonic career (from Firefly and V to Resident Alien):

  Alan: “I don’t record memories anymore. I think I’m gonna do less acting.” (13:13)
  Nathan: “You’ve done so much, you forget what you were in.” (13:00)

• Alan reveals the disconnect that sometimes acting brings; Nathan contrasts his experiences on Castle (difficult, consuming) versus The Rookie (healthy, humane, collaborative environment):

  “There’s a right way to run a business and there’s a not so right way to run a business...” (20:17-21:14)
  “Any one of those cast members can carry that show.” (21:14)

• Alan marvels at Nathan’s endurance:

  “Eight years on Castle...now you’re on your eighth year of leading another show. People don’t get this, have this in their careers.” (19:26-20:17)

7. Master Punchlines and Running Jokes

• The hosts explore the concept of “master punchlines”—classic one-liners used to cap conversations or de-rail them for comedic effect:

  Nathan: “The classic is...you hear something that could be a sexual innuendo. That's what she said. It works for a great many things.” (22:46-22:57) Nathan: “One that I really enjoy is, How dare you? ...Another is, Why do you sound surprised?” (23:00-23:38) Alan: “Don’t have to tell you... that was his little...tag for near everything he said.” (25:22-25:50)

• The “leave it” punchline, adopted during an Amsterdam story, becomes a running bit:

  Alan: “It was a long, hard one.” Nathan: “Leave it. You've just been punched, boy.” (26:53-27:00)

8. The Science and Social Contract of Handshakes

• Nathan, self-confessed “handshake expert”, offers a passionate PSA about proper handshake etiquette:

  “The handshake is for telling people that they’re safe with you...If you do anything else, it’s a betrayal of the social contract...” (32:26-32:52) “Imagine you’re holding an egg on the wildest roller coaster you’ve ever been on...You don’t want the egg to break. You can’t let it go.” (33:25-33:47)

• Alan riffs on "softest hands in Hollywood," Andy Samberg's creaminess, and the curiously sensual nature of these tactile exchanges:

  “I don’t know why I’m aroused, yet...Is it sexual?” (31:47-31:52)

9. Personal Oddities: Getting to Know You

• Nathan shares a childhood phone-talking OCD habit:

  “Every step I take, I take, like an outline of my foot...it sticks to the bottom of my foot...Every step I take in my imagining gets taller and taller.” (35:08-36:06)

• Alan’s quirky confession: Only wooden Q-tips, butterflies as his favorite “trans species,” and affection for clownfish and humans for their transformations:

  “Butterflies are my favorite trans species...clownfish are just a little bonkers...and then humans make more.” (38:47-39:50)

• Nathan recommends the Blue Morpho butterfly as Alan’s soon-to-be favorite, birthing a bit about its Gem Heist Movie potential.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Changing Priorities:
  “So glad I stopped talking like that because that really limited me.” – Alan Tudyk (00:48, 14:23)
• On Success:
  “I am presently now in the perfect position.” – Nathan Fillion (02:30)
• On Aliens and Knowing Nothing:
  “There’s stuff that we know that we don’t know. But imagine the stuff we don’t know that we really don’t know.” – Alan Tudyk (05:33)
• On Dunning-Kruger:
  “A guy went in and robbed a bank...he rubbed lemon juice on his face before he robbed the bank, thinking it would render him invisible.” – Nathan Fillion (06:00-06:27)
• On Hollywood Existence:
  “You’ve had two [long-running shows]. And you seem...in great shape, you're enjoying yourself.” – Alan Tudyk (19:26-20:17)
• On Master Punchlines:
  “Why do you sound surprised?” – Nathan Fillion (23:38) “Leave it!” – Nathan Fillion, episode running gag (multiple)
• Handshake Wisdom:
  “Imagine you’re holding an egg on the wildest roller coaster...you don’t want the egg to break, you can’t let it go...that's a handshake grip right there.” – Nathan Fillion (33:25-33:47)
• On Softest Hands:
  “I'm gonna tell you a little secret. I have the second softest hands in Hollywood.” – Nathan Fillion (30:22)
• On Personal Rituals:
  “Every step I take...an outline of my foot...sticks to the bottom of my foot and I take it with me.” – Nathan Fillion (35:08-35:54)
• On Transformation:
  “Butterflies are my favorite trans species...clownfish are just a little bonkers...and then humans make more.” – Alan Tudyk (38:47-39:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Realizing You've Changed Careers/Aging: 00:00-00:48, 13:17-14:45
• Nathan "Living the Dream": 02:30-03:44
• Dunning-Kruger & Lemon Juice Story: 05:33-06:43
• Alien and UFO Anecdotes: 07:18-09:12
• Ancient Civilizations Theories: 09:12-10:29
• "Master Punchlines" and Running Gags: 22:46-27:00
• Handshake Discourse & Soft Hands: 27:10-33:47
• Nathan’s Phone OCD Ritual: 34:41-36:11
• Alan’s Wooden Q-Tips & Trans Species: 37:49-39:56

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Final Thoughts & Tone

Nathan and Alan's rapport shines, with the episode equally likely to make you giggle or ponder the great cosmic mysteries. Candid, self-effacing, and playfully nerdy, the “no point” episode actually lands dozens of small ones: about growth, gratitude, humility, and the joys of having a good friend to laugh with about it all.

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Transcript

[Alan Tudyk]

I found myself in a project recently and, like, the director was telling me to do it this way, and then one of the lead actors was telling me to do it another way. And I was like, sure, whatever y' all want. And I just did it the way that they told me to do it. And I honestly didn't care. And it was a moment for me. Like, I was like, when did I stop caring?

[Nathan Fillion]

When you became old, Alan. You just became an old man.

[Alan Tudyk]

Is that it? Where you just don't care? Where this guy's telling me that I didn't come in and go, no, I have a process and I have a thing and I need to stand up for.

[Nathan Fillion]

My island of yesteryear would have been lit on fire at that moment and go, what?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, I can't. Let me tell you something, mister.

[Nathan Fillion]

I am trained. I went to Jul. You would. You'd be all that.

[Alan Tudyk]

So glad I stopped talking like that because that really limited me. Once we were spacemen. I tend to play weird people, usually aliens and robots and things that don't have romance.

[Nathan Fillion]

I once didn't get a job where they were looking for a Nathan Fillion type. Once we were spacemen.

[Alan Tudyk]

Once we were spacemen. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of We Once.

[Nathan Fillion]

Hell.

[Alan Tudyk]

Come on. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. We once were spacemen, but now we are not spacemen. We are on Earth. We were spacemen because we were in space and we were men. It's Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk, the former spacemen. That sounds. Former spaceman sounds so much worse. We once were spacemen. Respect it. Hey, Nathan, how you. How you doing, buddy? Great, Great. That sounds.

[Nathan Fillion]

Can you elaborate, sir?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, just kind of. That was real short. Short and sweet. It makes me think that less than great. If you're great doesn't say great. It doesn't have the emotion in it. Then it feels like, I don't know, like you're lying. You're lying to me. You're covering something up.

[Nathan Fillion]

I've actually been thinking lately about when people ask you, how you doing? And how things going. I go off about how great I'm doing. I'm thinking lately about tempering that a little bit.

[Alan Tudyk]

Give me an example. Let me ask you, Let me see. Hey, Nathan, how you doing?

[Nathan Fillion]

My God, you know, people say they're living the dream. I am literally living the dream. It's one thing to look back on your life and say I was in the perfect position, but I am presently now in the perfect position. For the last two years, I've been in the biggest movie of the year. Deadpool, Wolverine, Superman. Huge, huge movies. There's my name up there in lights. I got buddies who are incredibly successful call me up and say, hey, can you do me a favor? Like, I'm doing them a favor. I've got this boss at the most incredible job I've ever had. Firefly was the bar I set everything to, and now it's the Rookie. It is the best job I've ever had. And my boss says, we'll let you out so you can go do these other projects. There's not one in the whole lot. I am the biggest asshole there.

[Alan Tudyk]

Are you saying this to, like, a barista? I feel like that might be. That is a lot I want to say. You're right.

[Nathan Fillion]

She shouldn't have asked.

[Alan Tudyk]

I said, did you want whole milk or oat milk? Look, I think that is a lot. That is a lot. It's great to hear.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

As your friend, that's fantastic. But that's a lot. That is a lot. You can just say, I'm great. You're right. That's what you did. And I. And I called you on it. That's exactly what you said.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're right. I never hear that. Not enough, anyway. The temperature in town. Some people are saying it's getting better, but talking to a lot of guys who, like, I live in Texas. Like, I used to be an actor here in town, but it just dried up too much. So I go to Texas and I come back when I have an opportunity to work on something.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, I see. The temperature in Los Angeles, you mean. Yeah, I'm leaving. I mean, that's. Yeah, that's how bad it's gotten. They drove Alan Tudyk out. This is no longer a Tudyk town.

[Nathan Fillion]

You were always a New York guy.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, I talk about it a lot. I liked it a lot.

[Nathan Fillion]

And now you're a Vancouver guy.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, now I talk about that a lot.

[Nathan Fillion]

Listen, if your experiences were slightly different, like, if you had a really fun, amazing show that you were having a great time on, it was based in Los Angeles and you were living here and working here and.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right.

[Nathan Fillion]

You'd feel differently.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Probably. It's. Yes, it's.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're right. We should be saving this for the show.

[Alan Tudyk]

We're recording it right now. We are recording.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, we are? Yep.

[Alan Tudyk]

We have been recording ever since I said we once were spacemen and now we are not. We are Earth men, but we are spacemen and we are here right now.

[Nathan Fillion]

Alan yeah. Do you believe in aliens?

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, yeah, of course. Absolutely. Do. I definitely think, you know our perspective of the universe and of consciousness and energy. We know so little, we don't even know what we know. Like, there's people who are the smartest of our species here on the planet that had no things and say things and tell us things, and we go, yeah, maybe. And we walk away and don't. We don't even accept that as real. Like there's stuff that we know that we don't know. But imagine the stuff we don't know that we really don't know.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's so much the Kruger Dunning effect. You've heard of this where if you don't know very much, you think you're pretty smart guy. And the more you learn, the more you start to understand the scope of how much you don't know. Yes. And that's actually the. The journey to true intelligence.

[Alan Tudyk]

Was Kruger the smart one and Dunning the stupid one, or was it the other way around? It was like Kruger's like. Don't you get it? You don't know anything.

[Nathan Fillion]

I think it was the two guys who came up with this concept, but it was born of a fella who went in and robbed a bank. Really? And he was caught on camera and they arrested him almost immediately. And he said, I don't get it. I used the lemon juice. He rubbed lemon juice on his face before he robbed the bank, thinking it would render him invisible to the cameras.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

Wow. Because if you write in lemon juice on a piece of paper and then you toast it, you'll see the lemon juice later. It's like an invisible ink.

[Alan Tudyk]

You're kidding me.

[Nathan Fillion]

Somehow. No, he really. This is his brain. These two guys were looking at this going, how can anyone be that stupid and think I smart outsmarted the system.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

So they came up with this, the.

[Alan Tudyk]

Kruger Dunning effect, also known as the Dunning Kruger effect, which if you have.

[Nathan Fillion]

Not done a deep dive on this, please do, because it will help you in life deal with. And they're out there, people who may be not so smart.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, they're all beautiful lights of consciousness on this planet, and I love them. But yeah, there's people who.

[Nathan Fillion]

Whose beautiful. Their scope.

[Alan Tudyk]

Scope of. Of their understanding of the world. And their vision is limited.

[Nathan Fillion]

So aliens.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes, yes. Aliens, absolutely. Yes. Plus the guy who did a resident alien, Christopher Sheridan, who was our showrunner. And I say hours because you were on it. You played 42, but Chris Sheridan on his Honeymoon. He saw a space alien craft, alien spacecraft, a triangle shaped massive ship that made zero sound. It was on the horizon. He was on the beach with his new wife. They said, look at that weird light out there. And he said in an instant it was above them. It was a triangle shape. It shined a light on them and they were speechless. And then it shot off with no sound and was gone. And no one was around. And they went. It ruined their honeymoon because they were just like beside themselves all time.

[Nathan Fillion]

Like what? You can't process that?

[Alan Tudyk]

What does this mean? Now what?

[Nathan Fillion]

Now here's something. I was visiting at home, I was visiting Edmonton. It was a summer, it was beautiful. I'm having drinks with my family on the back deck and I'm looking up into the sky and we're having a fire. It was beautiful night. And I look up into the sky and just thinking, wow, there's so many stars. So many stars out. I don't see this many stars in Los Angeles. I was just thinking that. And in a triangle shape. There were three lights, looked like three stars. They were really high up there. No differentiating them from other stars. But it looked as though it was tumbling, this thing, in no rhythmical fashion, but just kind of tumbling over, tumbling over, tumbling over. And I was speechless for a moment. It had to be very high up. It was smallish, you know. And I didn't know what to say. And I heard my mother say, did anyone see that? I said, describe to me what you saw. She described exactly what I saw. And I'm just. It blew my mind entirely. And I hadn't discussed it with her in ages. And I like, no, no, no. Eight years later I said, do you remember what we saw up in the sky? Do you remember that diagnosis? She goes, I don't remember what you're talking about. I went, oh my God, they got to her.

[Alan Tudyk]

She's a pod person.

[Nathan Fillion]

Either the deep state government cover up got to her or the aliens themselves. You never know. I have gone on some deep dives about pre civilization civilizations. The idea that we have this concept that when man began and when civilization started and how long we've been here. But there are these anomalies that appear here throughout our history that don't jive with the story we've concocted. Right. We're about 5,000 years old with the exception of this. We found this, it's 12,000 years old. And clearly some people were doing some stuff here, right?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes, yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

And it was advanced.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. That stuff's all over.

[Nathan Fillion]

That Stuff. I've gone some deep dives on that stuff, and I'm thinking, well, what if. What if Al and the stuff they found under the pyramids of Giza. Now, have you heard about this?

[Alan Tudyk]

If there was that, like, that's one that I go, was that real? That was. It happened, and then it just disappears.

[Nathan Fillion]

How are people not talking about this exactly every day?

[Alan Tudyk]

I mean, because there's other to talk about.

[Nathan Fillion]

But, yeah, clearly there. This is a big deal.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

We found massive structures going 2 km down under the pyramids of Giza.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

That doesn't interest anybody. Nobody's going, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa. We got to look into this.

[Alan Tudyk]

I found a crawl space in. In an apartment that I rented once.

[Nathan Fillion]

Same thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

I talked about it for months.

[Nathan Fillion]

Same thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

No aliens built it. There's nothing in it but just, you know, roaches.

[Nathan Fillion]

So I have a theory. Here's my theory. We build these drones to, you know, fly off and investigate stuff. We put drones down into the ocean now, and they're flying around and doing their thing down there. We talk about these little green men, these little gray men with big heads. Yeah. I'm guessing to gather data. With these big, big eyes and tiny little mouths and noses and no genitals. Because they're only there to gather data if you're looking at what their body is made for. Right. What if some ancient civilization that was incredibly advanced, this was their form of drone, and they're still out there somewhere. I don't know if it's out in space. I don't know if it's under the ocean. I don't know if it's underground somewhere sending out probes and they end up on Alan's camping trip. Yeah, I think about that stuff.

[Alan Tudyk]

Alan, here's what I think. Also, a lot of people that I talk to because I, you know, I was an alien, so people bring up aliens with me, a lot of aliens. They want the aliens to come. They're looking forward to their intervention in our lives. They're hoping for some form of savior species to come down. I welcome them. Bring it on. Save us. You know, take me with you. And I don't think that's. That's not so good.

[Nathan Fillion]

Historically. An advanced civilization meeting a not so advanced civilization.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

Does not end up well for the not so advanced civilization.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Nathan Fillion]

Marina Baccarin was in V. They came to eat us.

[Alan Tudyk]

I was in V. What?

[Nathan Fillion]

That's right. I just remembered that as you were saying it, I remembered that you were in V. You were a lizard person.

[Alan Tudyk]

I was a lizard person in the first.

[Nathan Fillion]

I remember being a kid in the 80s watching that show and just going nuts. Yep. When that was just. It was.

[Alan Tudyk]

They ate like a guinea pig or something.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. They're swallowing stuff and. Yeah, it was. That was groundbreaking stuff.

[Alan Tudyk]

We were 12 years old.

[Nathan Fillion]

You were in that.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the problem was when we were shooting the pilot and I had a great time shooting it. I had fun. We shot that in Vancouver. I remember going out to the theater and seeing District 9.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, I love that movie.

[Alan Tudyk]

And I went, oh, this is what we should be doing. Oh, this is a soap opera. We're making a soap opera. And then I was so not into it after that.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, that's too bad.

[Alan Tudyk]

V was not. V was a Soap Opera. District 9 was a great movie. Like, if you want to do an alien invasion or an alien, that's a way to tell a story. That was cool.

[Nathan Fillion]

I want to just add that I. I knew you were in that. I forgot, clearly.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

But in my defense, you've done so much, you forget what you were in.

[Alan Tudyk]

I do. That is true.

[Nathan Fillion]

I called you one time and I said, you're in this new thing. It's something. Something you never talk about. You go, oh, yeah, I forgot I was in there. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't record memories anymore. I think I'm gonna do less acting.

[Nathan Fillion]

What are you gonna do with the time?

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't know. Right. I'm gonna go on vacation a lot. I'll see how long it lasts. I'm lucky enough that I do a lot of voiceovers, and I can get a hit from voiceover and improving in a voiceover setting. And so I get the acting itch scratched. I found myself in a project recently, and, like, the director was telling me to do it this way, and then the one of the lead actors was telling me to do it another way, and I was like, sure, whatever y' all want. And I just did it the way that they told me to do it, and I honestly didn't care. And it was a moment for me, like, where I was like, when did I stop caring?

[Nathan Fillion]

When you became old, Alan. You just became an old man.

[Alan Tudyk]

Is that it? Where you just don't care? Where this guy's telling me that I didn't come in and go, no, I have a process, and I have a thing, and I need to.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. Stand up in my island of yesterday year would have been lit on fire at that moment and go, what?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. I can't. Let me tell you something, mister.

[Nathan Fillion]

I Am trained. I went to dryad. You would. You'd be all that.

[Alan Tudyk]

So glad I stopped talking like that because that really limited me. Yeah, I. Yeah, I have kind of like passive path of least resistance. Like, does it matter? I don't know. Your idea is just as good as mine. So's yours. Let's just do them both. Ah, let's just do it.

[Nathan Fillion]

So that sounds almost like you've gained patience or have you gained. I feel like as I grow older maybe I kind of for something. I've gained patience for some things. I'm just an old man about it, like. Nah, man, I'm too old to change.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, you gain patience getting older. I hope that's the hope that you don't get. You don't go the other direction. You have a sense of perspective on things that you didn't have. And I definitely have perspective where I can go. Yeah. When you're young and you're acting, every job that you get is. And it. And it does mean a lot more when every job you get, it matters. Like you could. This job could make or break your career and that's how you sort of. It gets stuck in your head.

[Nathan Fillion]

Certainly when you're building something, you're going to have a different approach.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right. When I was doing death at a funeral, you came to visit you and the lads. And then we went to Amsterdam. It was the last days of death funeral. Went to Amsterdam, then came back to London and did a con.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's right.

[Alan Tudyk]

That was a crazy time. I was so. I was so spent.

[Nathan Fillion]

We were young though. You didn't you. You be spent and you keep going. That's just how. That's useful.

[Alan Tudyk]

But what I did. This is how. This is what I did. I don't know if I can tell this story. I don't know if I should tell this story. I'll tell this story. I was young. Listen, I was young and I don't recommend this, but when I went to Amsterdam, I took some mushrooms because they're legal there. And it was like, well, they're legal so they must be. Okay. Okay, so I did it. But I had just finished doing this movie, Death at a Funeral where I had played somebody who was high on a mixture of acid, ketamine, speed and he'd been dosed, I'd been dosed. And so I had just spent all this time acting that. And when I went to Amsterdam after and did some mushrooms, which have a similar effect as what I had just been portraying. Instead of having a wee fun good time My brain went, you ruined the movie. You did it all wrong. This is how you should have done it. And I didn't realize. And so I remember I left that night. I'm like, I'm going back to the hotel. I went back to the hotel and went to sleep. Next night I'm like, I should be fine now. I've had more sleep. Took mushrooms again, same thing. I went back to the hotel.

[Nathan Fillion]

I don't think mushrooms agree with you, Alan.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, that's last time I took them.

[Nathan Fillion]

Here's something I remember from that trip. I remember we indulged in the mushrooms as one does as a young man in natural.

[Alan Tudyk]

It was legal there.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's fine. It's lovely. It's a. It's a rite of passage. I remember we were having a beer at a little street side bar. We were packing up and getting ready to go. And I was just, I had just crossed the street. You're laughing because you know what I'm talking about, right? I just crossed the street and a young couple came up to me, oh my God, I can't believe we're meeting you. And blah, blah, blah, they were excited to meet you. I said, oh, this is lovely. Can we take a picture with you? I said, absolutely. We took a little photo and then they walked off. And I thought, I hope I was coherent during that interaction. And I wonder how high do I look in that photo that they just took of me? So I had a little digital camera, if I remember, before phones were thing taking pictures. I had a digital camera when memory was a dollar a megabyte. If you had a 18 megabyte card. I can't remember the megabytes they came in. But you get 18 photos. They cost 18. Yeah, but that was the thing. It was a dollar a megabyte for memory. And I took a photo of myself with that camera to say, how high do I look at this moment, how out of it. And in the photo over my shoulder was you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Who? I looked, I looked pretty. Pretty. Okay.

[Alan Tudyk]

I was clearly smiling with wide eyes and wide pupils.

[Nathan Fillion]

And my pupils, yeah, also very dilated. But you were over my shoulder, clearly having the moment. You just finished describing.

[Alan Tudyk]

My eyes are half closed. I look like I'm pain. I'm in the middle.

[Nathan Fillion]

Your head going, oh my God, I'm.

[Alan Tudyk]

In the middle of a swallow. So my lips are together in a squinchy way. It was just. It's a terrible shot.

[Nathan Fillion]

I gotta find that. I'm finding.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, please, please, please do. Yes, go ahead.

[Nathan Fillion]

You know, you're gonna say, I think.

[Alan Tudyk]

We need to get back to the fact that you're having a great summer and a great time and you're. And the rookie is. It's like you're in an. You blow me away, man. Eight years on Castle, that' I've never done anything that long. I don't know that I could do anything that long. Especially because you were doing back when TV was 20 something episodes. Was it 20? Usually 22 and then 22.

[Nathan Fillion]

But we did a lot of episodes of 24.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, they did a lot more. They'd be like, yeah, keep working, guys. Don't go vacation. You don't need it. You went from being around all the time to being gone because you were working. And you would have like around like a month, a month and a half off and then you're back into it again for eight solid years. And they weren't short days, they were all long. You'd move into the weekend. When you were shooting, you'd be working what we call Fridays because it would go Friday, late, late, late, late, late into into Saturday. You did that for eight years and then you took off. What, two years? Yeah, two years. And now you're on your eighth year of leading another show. People don't get this, have this in their careers. You've had two. And you seem. You're in great shape, you're enjoying yourself.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'll tell you that. A television program is a job. It's a business. And the way you run a business is very important as to the health of the business and the people who work for you. I can tell you that now, having had the experience of both those programs, that there's a. A right way to run a business and there's a not so right way to run a business. And the way that that first one was, Casel, was very difficult experience. It was a very difficult. It was. I had no life outside of Castle. It was difficult just getting the job done sometimes it was tough. But here I am on the Rookie and I am not needed there every moment of every day. It's a very humane schedule. They run a tight ship over there. It is a happy community. The cast is so incredibly talented. And that show will ride firmly on the shoulders of any one cast member at any time. Any one of those cast members can carry that show.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow, that's quite a statement. That's great.

[Nathan Fillion]

It really is. And to know it and just to look around and just watch people problem solve. Like I've worked with actors who, you know, they. They're working through a scene, they go, can't be done. There's a chair here. There's a. No, it can't be done. Can't be done. Like, it just. It's all really. With your immense talent and all your training and all your experience. A chair. Yeah. Is the end of it.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Whereas I watch these folks, these incredible folks on this show. I watch how concerned they are about doing a great job, about safeguarding their character, about safeguarding the jobs that their characters have. They want to be respectful to the policing of it, their concern for quality and their ability to. I marvel at them. I marvel at them. And they're all. They get along so well. My God, they all get along so well.

[Alan Tudyk]

How cool. I think we. We missed an opportunity there when you said that they police themselves so well. It should be. There should be like, a pun alarm that goes off there. Punee. Or something like that. That's.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's made like a little like a siren.

[Alan Tudyk]

There you go. And then Punee.

[Nathan Fillion]

Do you want to be respectful to the policing of it?

[Alan Tudyk]

Pun. It sounds awful. It is an alarm. Like, you'd want to turn that off. Stop that sound now.

[Nathan Fillion]

I do like puns.

[Alan Tudyk]

You do?

[Nathan Fillion]

Okay. I've been introducing this concept lately of master punch lines. The classic is, you know, you hear something that could be a sexual innuendo. That's what she said. It works for a great many things.

[Alan Tudyk]

So the master punchline there would be. That's what she said.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's correct. Okay. So different punchlines that you have that you. You can use and pull out at any time. One that I really enjoy is. How dare you?

[Alan Tudyk]

Ah, right.

[Nathan Fillion]

You can use it a lot. One I just learned recently.

[Alan Tudyk]

Can I. Can I give. Can I try an example just so that people can hear how that might be a punchline? I would say something to you, like, man, you look great.

[Nathan Fillion]

How dare you?

[Alan Tudyk]

Is that. Would that be it?

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, I don't know if. I don't know if I. Where would you say for that one? Actually, try here. I have a different master punchline for that. Okay, tell me again.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yo, man, you look great.

[Nathan Fillion]

Why do you sound surprised?

[Alan Tudyk]

Master punchline.

[Nathan Fillion]

Master punchline.

[Alan Tudyk]

And can we get a punch sound on that?

[Nathan Fillion]

There we go. And when you. When you start sharing these with people, they start going, oh, my dad always says this when he does something mundane. He says, little trick I learned in the army.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh. So, like, Ah, right. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

So I think we. I think you have, like, you've got to pull this.

[Alan Tudyk]

You got to Pull this door really shut or it won't lock. Little trick I learned in the army.

[Nathan Fillion]

Exactly.

[Alan Tudyk]

That kind of thing.

[Nathan Fillion]

Exactly.

[Alan Tudyk]

And that's a master. That's a master punchline. You just got punched. I don't know that I have any.

[Nathan Fillion]

That could actually work for the puns as well. Oh, you got punched.

[Alan Tudyk]

Pun it. It's better than that because that is just annoying. I don't like. And I'm the one who keeps doing it. Okay, those are some good master punch lines. I'm going to now try to think of some in my own life. I don't know that I have them. I'm going to keep an eye out now. I'm sure there must be one or two that I abuse.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes. My. Instead of using that's what she said, you can use it synonymously with that's what she said line. I like to say leave it.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. Which. So again, and I mean to bring this right back. To leave it. Sorry, you've been punched. To bring that back to Amsterdam. Leave it. You and I. This is the story I thought you were going to tell, not the picture story. We were in that bar or in a coffee house, and there was a.

[Nathan Fillion]

Bloke in there, remember this?

[Alan Tudyk]

And he was talking. He was going on and on and on about this and that and this and that. Isn't it.

[Nathan Fillion]

He was at the next table, but he was very interested in talking to us. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't have to tell you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, don't. You know what I mean? He kept always saying, you know what I mean? Don't have to tell you. Oh, Bob's your uncle, you know. Oh, don't have to.

[Nathan Fillion]

That was his a. That was his little. It was his tag for near everything he said.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. His life.

[Nathan Fillion]

It was built on concentric circles, you know. I mean, don't have to tell you. This block was made 800 years ago, but you go another block that was made 700 years ago. Concentric circles. You know what I mean? Don't have to tell you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, we could. That weekend. It just kept getting longer and longer, you know? I mean, don't have to tell you. Up your Jackie.

[Nathan Fillion]

Up your jacksy bums. Your uncle.

[Alan Tudyk]

That was the final.

[Nathan Fillion]

But I think I still have it in my phone if I do some sort of keyboard shortcut. Do you know what I mean? Don't have to tell you chico. Uppie jacks.

[Alan Tudyk]

So leave it, I guess. Wasn't in it. I just put it in it. But leave it, leave it, leave it. That is A good one.

[Nathan Fillion]

Right.

[Alan Tudyk]

So what would be something that you would say before. Leave it.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, if any. If you. If someone says a sexual innuendo and then realizes it's a sexual innuendo, you come in with, Leave it.

[Alan Tudyk]

So I'd say it's a bit nippy this morning.

[Nathan Fillion]

Leave it.

[Alan Tudyk]

You've just been punched, boy.

[Nathan Fillion]

It was a long, hard one. Leave it. It's yours now. You take that.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm gonna use that. I think I already do, actually. Got to tell you.

[Nathan Fillion]

Can we talk about something? This is just you and me just shooting the breeze. Clearly.

[Alan Tudyk]

But there's microphones. Go on.

[Nathan Fillion]

Thanks, everybody, for being here for this. Can we talk about handshakes?

[Alan Tudyk]

Handshakes? Yes, handshakes. Like greetings, handshakes.

[Nathan Fillion]

This is I in my. And you. In our industry, we meet a lot of people, right. We shake a lot of hands. Yep. I would consider myself a handshake professional.

[Alan Tudyk]

Really?

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, wow. Because you've done it so much, you should get paid for it. Oh, you probably have been.

[Nathan Fillion]

I am in. That's not professional. How about expert? I got a handshake expert.

[Alan Tudyk]

Got it, Got it.

[Nathan Fillion]

Okay. The purpose of a handshake, the original thing, was to show you that I'm not holding anything. I have no weapons. We can clasp hands. I'm not going to hurt you. I'm here. You're safe. That's the whole idea.

[Alan Tudyk]

Let me see your hands. Let me see your hands.

[Nathan Fillion]

Let's see those hands. All right. I'm not hiding anything that's going to hurt you. And we've now, you know, pushed that into a greeting. Hey. This is how we say, hey, nice to meet you. So the idea of that. It's a first impression is not lost on people.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right.

[Nathan Fillion]

But I think it's. Maybe this might even be a Kruger dunning effect here where someone says, oh, well, a firm handshake means is. Is good. It's a good thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right? Right.

[Nathan Fillion]

But the fact is people go a little too far with that.

[Alan Tudyk]

They want to.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, if a firm handshake is good, then a really hard handshake is even better. And that's not the case, especially gentlemen, even ladies, if you are out there and you work with your hands. If you are a bodybuilder or you would do a lot of. If you're a carpenter. Rough tune. Working with large animals. And you just. You work with your hands a lot. And you have animal husbandry hands.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

You have a responsibility. Because I'm going to tell you right now, you are walking around shaking people's hands too hard, and you think this is good, and it's not. Everybody hates you. Nobody likes shaking hands with you. And you are hurting people left and right. So if what you're trying to say is, if you come to me and give me your hand, trusting that I will take care of you, I will betray that trust and I will hurt you. That is what's going on in the real world.

[Alan Tudyk]

There's some sadomasochist who really like being, you know, hurt. So those people probably going out there.

[Nathan Fillion]

Gambling that these people probably like it when I hurt them. You're on the wrong track. Oh, so the fact is, you want to tell people, hey, I'm not here to hurt you, and you're doing the other thing, and sometimes people shortchange it. They'll go to grab your hand, and they just grab you by the fingertips. You know, they kind of shortchange. And I'll stop somebody. I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. First of all, I didn't know this was a contest about the super squeeze. And if you're gonna super squeeze me, you can't shortchange me like that and grab my fingertips.

[Alan Tudyk]

What is going on with your handshakes? These handshakes are.

[Nathan Fillion]

Nobody does this to you. Is it me? Is it me? People see me and they go, I'm gonna have to squeeze this fucker's hand.

[Alan Tudyk]

You're more of a imposing figure. Maybe you're taller. You're broader. Maybe they're like, I gotta. I gotta step up. He's a captain. They don't want to hurt little wash.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm gonna tell you a little secret. I have the second softest hands in Hollywood. Hollywood secrets.

[Alan Tudyk]

Who's the. Who's the softest?

[Nathan Fillion]

Andy Samberg.

[Alan Tudyk]

It's all that lotion. Why does he use so much lotion?

[Nathan Fillion]

I couldn't tell you about his moisturizing habits.

[Alan Tudyk]

When did you meet Andy Samberg?

[Nathan Fillion]

I worked with him ages ago. When he did the opening, he did the Emmys, and I popped in for a little cameo in his opening number. Just. This is like a year ago. Famous.

[Alan Tudyk]

This is famous stuff. This is just famous.

[Nathan Fillion]

You know, Recently, I was in a restaurant, and I looked up, and I was standing in the aisle of a kind of a busy kind of bar, restaurant situation. I was talking to some people at the table. Some people were trying to get out. And as I move out of the way to get up, I look up and I go, oh, these are the gentlemen from Lonely Island. And I'm a big fan of wow, that's lovely. I'm not gonna bother them. They're just leaving. I'm not gonna. It's crowded here. But then I lock eyes with Andy Samberg and I go, hey. He goes, oh, hey, and nice to see you give a little handshake. And I turn around and I realize, oh, my God. And I turn back, and he's turning back at the same time. And we both kind of say, you have the softest hands. And he says, I always say I've never done a day of work in my life. And I said, that's what I always say about my hands. But I'm telling you, that guy's got some soft, creamy, soft hands.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't know why I'm aroused yet. That seems. Is it sexual?

[Nathan Fillion]

What? I just.

[Alan Tudyk]

It's. There's so much softness, and this so feels so good. And you said creamy, but they're like milk.

[Nathan Fillion]

They're like a. Like a heavy cream.

[Alan Tudyk]

Now you're milking him. I can't help but leave it. You've been. You've been creamed. You've been creamed all over. Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, that's good to know. I. One day I'm gonna. When I meet him one day, I'm gonna test that out. I don't have.

[Nathan Fillion]

Back to the. Back to the handshake.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes, the handshake.

[Nathan Fillion]

Here's the grip you should be going for. It is not as hard as you can.

[Alan Tudyk]

First of all.

[Nathan Fillion]

It is not. I'm going to do harder than this guy does. This is not a contest. You've lost the program. If you're in a handshake to say, I'm going to do it harder than him, you're on another planet here. The handshake is for telling people that they're safe with you. That is what it is for. If you do anything else, it's a betrayal of the social contract that we're all here, we're all in this together.

[Alan Tudyk]

Okay, if you betray a social contract, what happens? You open yourself up.

[Nathan Fillion]

First of all, nothing. That's the. That's the shitter of it. That's the when. When you go for a nice hike up in the hills and you're like, oh, this is such a beautiful day and someone's cranking music on their iPhone.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right?

[Nathan Fillion]

That's the betrayal of the social contract. No one came up here to listen to your shit music on your crappy little iPhone speaker. Get some headphones. I have. You want to listen to music? Get some headphones you son of a bitch. So, betrayal sauce. The grip.

[Alan Tudyk]

Betrayal. Yes. Go on.

[Nathan Fillion]

The grip you're looking for is. Imagine you're holding an egg on the wildest roller coaster you've ever been on.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, it's against sexual.

[Nathan Fillion]

You don't want the egg to break. You can't let it go.

[Alan Tudyk]

No.

[Nathan Fillion]

But you don't want it to break. Oh, that's a handshake grip right there.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow, that's good. That's good.

[Nathan Fillion]

One to grow.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow, dude, that is a good description. And I think going forward, I'm going to be doing that. I've been shaking lots of hands. The one that I don't like is when you go to shake a hand and they start to close too soon.

[Nathan Fillion]

And they shortchange you. They grab your fingers, right.

[Alan Tudyk]

But they don't. They don't grip or squeeze anything. They just. They're just like, you know, they go with it and they don't. They give you the proper squeeze amount, but still you're. They didn't get a good latch. I will always go, hold on, hold on, let's do it right. And then we do it. And so then we have a good handshake. That's the only one I have. So, Nathan, let's talk about some getting to know you. I know you and you know me. Let's get to know you better. So, Nathan, what is something about you that I don't know?

[Nathan Fillion]

Alan, here's something. I've been thinking about it since the last time we chatted. You remember when telephones had a cord? Yeah. So this is something I developed when I was a younger man and I would be on the kitchen phone and we had. We had one of those. I remember my dad got it and it was. This is awesome. We can walk almost all the way around into the living room with this cord. It was so long. You know, every once in a while he'd go out to it and unspin it to make sure it wasn't all tangled up. You know, I pace when I'm on the phone. When I'm talking on the phone, I will pace around.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

And I developed this weird OCD ticket as a child that I do to this day. Oh. And it's the only time I do it is when I'm on the phone. I will pace and I'll be looking down at my feet. And in my imaginations, every step I take, I take, like an outline of my foot, of the floor material with me. It sticks to the bottom of my foot and I take it with me. And so, like, there's like a shape of a foot, you know, left behind and a cutout, you understand? And so that every step I take in my imagining gets taller and taller. Every step I go up. So I have to step evenly on different floor surfaces, be it linoleum carpet or hardwood floors or tile.

[Alan Tudyk]

What?

[Nathan Fillion]

Even to the point where, if it's a hardwood, my preference is to be walking either against the grain or with the grain, but never kind of angular on a 45.

[Alan Tudyk]

This is Cuckoo. It's. Why it's just very different. I mean, yeah, this is.

[Nathan Fillion]

This says so much. But you never knew this about me.

[Alan Tudyk]

I never knew this. I absolutely never knew this about you.

[Nathan Fillion]

And every time we've been on the phone together, I've been doing it.

[Alan Tudyk]

Okay. Now, you also say that you started this when you were a kid, when you were. You were first using the phone. So this began when you were on the phone going, let's build a fort in a tree or something like that with somebody. Like the earliest phone calls you ever.

[Nathan Fillion]

Had with people talking to grandma.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, talking to grandma. You built a fort with your grandma.

[Nathan Fillion]

She was the queen of forts.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow. Wow.

[Nathan Fillion]

Cool.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's a cool grandma. And so you. You would be having these conversations, whether you're probably prank calling people on the phone and you're walking. And are you able to change your perception? Kind of. Do you imagine a. Almost like you're taller or it's just. It just becomes part of you.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. In your. In your head, you're wearing, like, platform shoes that get higher and higher with every step.

[Alan Tudyk]

Very cool, man.

[Nathan Fillion]

I don't know how cool it is.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, I like it. I like it. I think that the people out there who are listening still haven't gone.

[Nathan Fillion]

I have three. This episode, we're just going to fast forward this real quick.

[Alan Tudyk]

Fast forward. Do they get to anything important?

[Nathan Fillion]

I keep waiting for them to come to a point.

[Alan Tudyk]

This is the point people. Nathan does this.

[Nathan Fillion]

This is.

[Alan Tudyk]

This is really. And there's going to be people out there who have OCD and who have things like this neurodivergent tendencies. And they're gonna be like, I do it too, or I do something very similar. So you just.

[Nathan Fillion]

I think the name of this episode should be this one has no Point.

[Alan Tudyk]

There you go. Yes. Here's something you don't know about me. I buy Q tips with wood in them. I don't like using Q tips that don't have a wood stick. That is the main thing. So if you ever Come over to my house and get a Q tip. It's always going to be a wood one. Because when we were kids, Q tips were made of wood. That's how old we are.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, so this is about habit and not about concern from the environment.

[Alan Tudyk]

No, I. It's. It's probably worse for the environment. How many trees are they chopping down for these Q tips? But I like a good wood Q tip. It's how it used to be and it's the way it should be. Dang it. That's the way I like them. You gotta have wood in there. That way you get in there and stick on it.

[Nathan Fillion]

How else can you grip it?

[Alan Tudyk]

How else can you grip. You've got all that slop up in your head. Yes. You gotta go in your head holes and switch it around. So I do that also. This is a twofer. I realized this also. Butterflies are my favorite trans species.

[Nathan Fillion]

The transformative start as one end as another.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, I think. Well, I think they're just, you know, butterflies are trans. I think that should be a bumper sticker. Butterflies are trans because they're so beautiful. And I was realizing the other day, as an insect, they are probably the most trans of any insect. But then I also am a big fan of the clownfish. And the clownfish all start out as males, and then the biggest male. Then like, I'm the biggest one around here. Anybody got a problem with that? And they go, no, no, you're the biggest. And goes, fine, I'm turning into a female. And then female. And then they all have sex with their buddy Jim. So clowning around with Jim, that's my second favorite trans animal or species. My third human. I, I like the. I like trans people, but butterflies are super magical and clownfish are just a little bonkers. And then humans make more.

[Nathan Fillion]

Do you have a separate butterfly? Like, when you think of this transformation, do you say, and this particular one is in your mind?

[Alan Tudyk]

I guess it's the Monarch. It's the classic orange and black. That's something that you would see in Southern California. That's something you'd see in Texas.

[Nathan Fillion]

I'm going to change your mind on this. I'm going to take you to Costa Rica and you're going to see the Blue Morpho. And you're going to go, oh, what? Oh, that's a thing? Yeah. And you're gonna change and in your mind forever it will be. The Blue Morpho is your favorite.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow. The Blue Morpho. That sounds. That's really cool. It sounds Like a. Like a super villain or maybe a.

[Nathan Fillion]

Superhero heist is about to happen.

[Alan Tudyk]

Blue Morpho.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, we're gonna take the Blue Morpho.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, it's a gem. The Blue Morpho. It's a flawless blue diamond.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

They found it in Ghana.

[Nathan Fillion]

Some say it carries a curse.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. Let's write it up. Let's write it up.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, this has been a wonderful, pleasant experience, as always.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. Hopefully they can sift through this and find something for others to. You know, maybe this is something you guys listen to where you're like, I just need more. And this is just some more. You know, I don't know that it's good, but it's more. Sometimes it's that. It's that extra 20%. You just supersized it. You just. It's the same French fries. It's just more of them. Just can't be French fries, man. Come on, Come on. Can we get a fryer sound? Oh, French fried. You've been French fried. French fried. All right, brother. I love you, man. Until next time, we have been Space Man.

[Nathan Fillion (Credits)]

Hello, and thank you for listening. This is Nathan Fillion. Now is the part where I read aloud the credits for our show in my best telephone voice. So put on some headphones, lay back, and relax because this is our time.

[Nathan Fillion]

If you haven't yet, you can always.

[Nathan Fillion (Credits)]

Head over to our Patreon to get bonus content, longer episodes, and a chance to get your hands on some incredible crap. If you love the show, please leave us a review and feel free to tell all your friends. If you didn't love the show, now is the time for quiet contemplation. Once We Were Spacemen is a collision 33 production. Some of the names I will mention are my favorite people in the the world. And some of them have room for improvement. You know who you are. If you hear your name being read, please stand up. This show is produced by Siobhan Homan, Michelle Chapman, and Josh Lebbey of Collision 33. We are edited, mixed, and produced by Resonate Recordings with special thanks to Courtney Blomquist and Adam Townsell. Our theme music is done by Carlos Sosa and Joshua Moore. Artwork by the incredible and incomparable Louis Jensen. But going to tell you right now, I think he fakes his accent. Until next time.

[Nathan Fillion]

Do you know what I mean? Don't have to tell you.