Once We Had Tongue Rings with Sean Maher | Episode 13

Summary

Podcast Summary: Once We Were Spacemen

Episode 13 – “Once We Had Tongue Rings with Sean Maher”

Release Date: February 4, 2026
Hosts: Nathan Fillion & Alan Tudyk
Guest: Sean Maher

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and hilarious episode, Nathan Fillion and Alan Tudyk reunite with their fellow Firefly alum Sean Maher. The conversation explores everything from their first impressions of each other to vivid comic-con stories, Sean’s journey from Los Angeles to Michigan, parenting philosophies, guilty pleasures, hidden talents, and some unexpectedly personal revelations. Their chemistry is palpable, weaving together nostalgia, vulnerability, and the rapid-fire wit fans expect. This episode is a nostalgic treat for Firefly fans and a moving glimpse into Sean’s life and outlook today.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

First Impressions & Firefly Memories

[00:00–07:43]

• Meeting Each Other:
  • Sean recalls walking into the Firefly production office and “studying headshots on the wall,” recognizing Alan from 28 Days, but not Nathan.

    “Nathan, I didn’t know who you were.” — Sean Maher [00:28]

  • Nathan jokes about mistaking Sean for the “captain” during the first table read.

    “He doesn’t look like a captain. He’s just not… I mean, he’s good looking. There’s something missing. He’s gammy, he’s gay.” — Nathan Fillion [04:45]

  • Alan playfully appoints Sean the “man meat” and “eye candy” of the show:

    “This is like the man meat. This is the eye candy… sharp, sculpted features.” — Alan Tudyk [05:17]

• Coming Out:
  • Sean talks openly about coming out publicly in 2012, during his role on the Playboy series (2011), and the support he felt from friends and cast.

Lifelong Friendships & the Legacy of Firefly

[05:48–07:43]

• Sean considers Jewel Staite his closest friend from the cast, texting daily and exchanging silly videos, while Alan and Nathan remark on the rare, organic chemistry among the cast.

  “The show itself was just the seed… It didn’t just make a great show, it made lifelong connections.” — Sean Maher [06:52]

Convention Chronicles & Fandom

[08:00–11:46]

• Alan, Nathan, and Sean reminisce about early conventions:
  • Nathan describes “the guy with the ice bucket for his shutter finger” and agrees the early con days were wild and camera-free.

    “We would drink a lot because there were no cameras… we’d do whatever the fans would ask.” — Nathan Fillion [09:15]

• Discussion of Serenity and touching moments from the film, with Alan highlighting Sean’s emotional scene.

  “That’s one of those moments… I wasn’t doing anything—because the energy around me, the support…” — Sean Maher [10:33]

Life in Michigan & Parenting

[11:48–22:21]

• Leaving Los Angeles:
  • Sean details his move from LA to Michigan, finding happiness, family, and a love for Detroit’s “Brooklyn-like” resurgence despite early challenges when the film incentive ended.

    “I’ve never been happier here. I can’t imagine myself anywhere else.” — Sean Maher [12:10] “Detroit right now reminds me of what Brooklyn was like when it just started to turn.” — Sean Maher [14:12]

• Parenting Philosophy:
  • Sean shares a candid look at raising good humans and the importance of manners, independence, and empathy.

    “Honestly, just be a good human being. Let’s start there.” — Sean Maher [17:27]

  • Alan asks how Sean ensures his kids don’t grow up to be “assholes.”

    “Picking the right school, I… sometimes I want to punch people… but I do believe you land where you’re supposed to.” — Sean Maher [18:24]

• Handling Mean Kids, Gratitude, and Good Manners:
  • Stories of his children’s empathy, including Sophia sitting with a bullied child at lunch.

    “People were throwing stuff at him… she got up and went and sat down next to him.” — Sean Maher [21:11]

  • Emphasizes please/thank you, eye contact, and not being a bystander.

    “You put your phone down, you say please and thank you, you lock eyes with them…” — Sean Maher [21:38]

Guilty Pleasures

[22:21–24:46]

• The hosts and guest confess their indulgences:
  • Alan: Chocolate and boy bands (to much laughter)

    “I shouldn’t eat chocolate in general… also, boy bands.” — Alan Tudyk [22:42]

  • Nathan jokes: “I shouldn’t eat boy bands.”
  • Sean: Treats everything in moderation, resists thinking he has it “figured out.”

    “If I think I’ve figured it out, then I’m fucked.” — Sean Maher [24:33]

On Tattoos & Body Piercings

[24:55–28:34]

• Sean reveals he had many piercings in college—including eyebrow, tongue, septum, nipples, and belly button.

  “Eyebrow, tongue, the dos... I had nipples… belly button… I never went below the waist.” — Sean Maher [26:47] “I still have dreams about my tongue ring. I miss it. It’s the best fidget spinner!” — Sean Maher [27:13]

• Stories of infections and scars, and Alan marveling at not knowing this hidden aspect of Sean.

Hidden Talents & New Joys

[28:55–31:56]

• Sean’s passion for ceramics and pottery:

  “I just got my first wheel. I got a studio I go to… I can’t remember the last time I just did something for joy.” — Sean Maher [29:24]

• He shows off his work: a marbled blue and black porcelain planter, impressing both Nathan and Alan with its quality.
• Alan asks Sean to make him an ashtray or dish; Nathan jokes about Sean having “an impressive life like Seth Rogen” (but sober).

Health, Vulnerability, and Laughs

[32:04–34:15]

• Sean recounts his battle with basal cell carcinoma on his nose, multiple surgeries, and the importance of sunscreen.

  “They took a significant portion of my nose off… Wear your sunscreen.” — Sean Maher [33:38]

• The tone is both heartfelt and darkly comic, with jokes about donor noses and sharing gory photos with friends.

"Get to Know You Better" — Unusual Childhood Experiences

[34:26–38:31]

• Funeral Home Childhood:
  • Sean’s father was a funeral director; Sean played hide-and-seek in caskets with his sister as a child.

    “My dad was a funeral director, and I used to play hide and seek in caskets with my sister.” — Sean Maher [35:13]

  • He describes walking in on embalming and touching bodies ("I was always sure it would move").
• Alan is fascinated, Nathan horrified, but Sean’s ease with mortality surprises both.

Candid Mental Health Conversations

[37:51–38:14]

• Briefly touches on his sobriety and bipolar diagnosis, contributing to the hosts’ admiration of his honesty and resilience.

Closing Thoughts

• Alan and Nathan thank Sean for his openness and spirit, expressing admiration for his journey, heart, and humor.

  “Thank you for sharing it with us.” — Nathan Fillion [38:14] “Love you, buddy.” — Alan Tudyk [38:41]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Friendship:

  “We probably—almost every day [texting with Jewel Staite]... Our little love language—sending videos of people biting it down a flight of stairs…” — Sean Maher [06:07]

• On Parenting:

  “I just trust that they’re gonna use their judgment... I think they can sniff out assholes.” — Sean Maher [19:46]

• On Self-Discovery:

  “If I think I’ve figured it out, then I’m fucked.” — Sean Maher [24:33]

• On Funeral Home Childhood:

  “We used to play hide and seek in caskets.” — Sean Maher [35:13]

• On Overcoming Cancer:

  “They took a significant portion of my nose off.” — Sean Maher [33:38]

• Alan (about Sean):

  “This wonderful, handsome hunk of a man…” — Alan Tudyk [38:12]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• First Impressions & Cast Memories: 00:00–07:43
• On Friendship & Show Legacy: 05:48–07:43
• Conventions & Fandom: 08:00–11:46
• Michigan, Family, & Parenting: 11:48–22:21
• Guilty Pleasures: 22:21–24:46
• Piercings & Body Mods: 24:55–28:34
• Pottery & Hidden Talents: 28:55–31:56
• Cancer & Health: 32:04–34:15
• Funeral Home Childhood: 34:26–38:31
• Candid Life Reflections: 37:51–38:14

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Tone & Style

Playful, intimate, self-deprecating, and deeply supportive. The hosts and guest balance vulnerability with banter, running the emotional gamut from nostalgia to laughter, occasionally leaning into Firefly inside jokes, and consistently putting authenticity at the forefront.

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For Listeners

This episode is a must for any Firefly or Browncoat fan, but it also stands out for its honest conversation about parenting, mental health, resilience, and friendship. Sean Maher, always candid, reveals the joy and struggle of reinvention, making “Once We Had Tongue Rings” as full of heart as it is of laughs.

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“Proud of you, buddy. Congrats. Thanks for doing this, so much… It’s always just so wonderful to catch up with you.”
— Alan Tudyk [38:19]

Transcript

[Alan Tudyk]

What was your first impression? Do you remember first meeting Alan and Nathan?

[Sean Maher]

I remember my first impression. I think I stood there in the office or the production office, and everybody's pictures were up, the headshots. So I sat there and I sort of studied each one. I recognized you, Alan, because I think I had just seen you in that Sandra Bullock movie. 20.

[Nathan Fillion]

28 days. Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

28 days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nathan, I didn't know who you were.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's fair. Nobody knew who I was.

[Nathan Fillion]

Once we were spacemen.

[Alan Tudyk]

Spacemen.

[Nathan Fillion]

I tend to play weird people, usually aliens and robots and things that don't have romance.

[Alan Tudyk]

I once didn't get a job where they were looking for a Nathan Fillion type. Once we were spacemen.

[Nathan Fillion]

Once we were spacemen. And welcome to another episode of Once We Were Spacemen with Alan Tudy and Nathan Fillion. Because once we were spacemen and we are here with another. Once was one spaceman from the same ship that once we were on. It's Shanmar, also known as Whenever we did our promo.

[Sean Maher]

Sayan Maher.

[Nathan Fillion]

Sayan Mahir. Thank you very much for joining us. Good to see you, Sean.

[Sean Maher]

Well, thanks for having me. Yeah, man, thanks for having me.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sean, how many times have you been asked about Firefly and your experiences on it?

[Sean Maher]

Wow. I don't know.

[Alan Tudyk]

I mean, it has proliferated through your life. This is where we all met, by the way. Of course, if you don't know, we're out there. Sean was a member of the cast. I'm sure you all know Sean and I.

[Nathan Fillion]

Actually, we almost met once in New York. Because he was in New York. Yeah, because you went to Tisch.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes. We were all in New York at the same time.

[Nathan Fillion]

Right.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

So we almost met. Juilliard used to do the New York NYU Tisch Graduate Acting program. And the Juilliard actors, we'd rumble. I don't know if you guys know that it's a big rival. We'd throw down over by the meat packing district, usually.

[Alan Tudyk]

Is it like dance numbers in the streets?

[Nathan Fillion]

Like west side Story kicking over trash?

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, totally.

[Nathan Fillion]

And then a lot of guys were hooking up. A lot of people. There's a lot of people just hooking up across the board. It would start out a lot of fists flying and a lot of, like, vocalizing. A lot of enunciation and then.

[Alan Tudyk]

And then mirroring and then hugs.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah. And then those hugs could just escalate, of course.

[Sean Maher]

Like, obviously, I'm a homosexual. And so, you know. Yeah. I'm so glad I had this.

[Nathan Fillion]

You Know, we, we had to hear through the grapevine. I thought, you know, you, I heard about it when I was watching the Playboy series that you were playing a homosexual and you came out yourself during that same time. Is that true?

[Alan Tudyk]

That was 2011.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, yeah, 2012.

[Nathan Fillion]

So I had to get it from secondhand news from Playboy. I expected you to call me personally and say, alan, I need to come out to you.

[Sean Maher]

I'm a mo.

[Nathan Fillion]

That would have been an awkward conversation. Okay.

[Sean Maher]

And you didn't, you didn't know.

[Alan Tudyk]

Let's start at the beginning. Alan told me once about his, his first impression, meeting me. What was your first impression? Do you remember first meeting Alan and Nathan?

[Sean Maher]

I remember my first impression. I think I stood there in the office or the production office and everybody's pictures were up, the headshots. So I sat there and I sort of studied each one. I recognized you, Alan, because I think I had just seen you in that Sandra Bullock movie. 20.

[Nathan Fillion]

28 days. Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

28 days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nathan, I didn't know who you were.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's fair. Nobody knew who I was.

[Sean Maher]

You know, it all happened so fast. You know, I think everybody's got a different experience for how this came to be, but mine was, was fast. And next thing I knew, I was sort of like at the production office, like getting stuff. And I hadn't even read the script.

[Nathan Fillion]

I didn't get a script until we all read it.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, when I first met what I thought I was meeting the Captain, I was. Everybody was walking in the room for that first read through and I was like, cool, cool. I can tell she's the. Okay, yeah, she's going to be that character. Great, great. But you walked in and I was like, oh, he's not the captain. He doesn't look like a captain. He's just not. I mean, he's good looking. There's just something, I don't know, I can't put a finger on it. Is something missing? He's gammy, he's gay. And you came up and you're like, hey, I'm Sean. And I was like, cool.

[Sean Maher]

Hey, man. Great.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're like, I'm playing the Doctor. I was like, oh, perfect, perfect. You are the doctor. You look like the Doctor. That's exactly what you are.

[Alan Tudyk]

You're the doctor.

[Nathan Fillion]

So I, I first mistook you for the Captain. And then, then once Tadpants over here walked in, I was like, yeah, that's the Captain.

[Alan Tudyk]

I remember looking at you going, well, this is clearly like the good looking guy. On the show. This is like the man meat. This is the eye candy you've had. You had very sharp, very sculpted features. You've always been very tight and fit. Your posture is always excellent. That guy. That's the guy.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's going to tight piece of man meat. Nathan always refers to you that way. Behind your back, finally. In front of you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting on the tattoo of your face. But, Sean.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

If I had to say your best friend from Firefly, I would say Jewel State. How often do you talk to her?

[Nathan Fillion]

First of all, I've got to get over the fact that it's not me. I just thought it was, but I get. I'm seeing. You're right. They are much closer.

[Sean Maher]

I. We probably. I mean, we text, I would say, almost every day.

[Nathan Fillion]

Wow.

[Sean Maher]

We have our little love language. Sending each other, like, videos of people, like, biting it down a flight of stairs or off the side of a boat or, like, and we just never gets off. We keep trying to one up. And so I'll send her videos of poor grandma, like, slipping off a curb into, like, a pile of snow. We stay in touch quite a bit. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Cool.

[Alan Tudyk]

That has to. I mean, I talk about things about Firefly that changed my life. Pulling out an amazing lifelong friend from a project that's a life changer.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

How else has Firefly changed your life?

[Sean Maher]

Well, you know, I think when I think about it, you know, if we're gonna stay on the subject of friends and family, I would even say our cast. But I think, like, the show itself was really just the seed. Like, we weren't together that much. It was just sort of this thing planted. And then to watch, like, now we're, you know, we're married, and we have children, and we live in different parts of the world. So I think for me, it was just sort of like that. That little nugget, like, didn't just make a great show. I mean, I remember talking about when we were trying to promote the show, and it's like, oh, my God. So we have such organic chemistry. Oh, my God. You know?

[Nathan Fillion]

But it was true.

[Sean Maher]

I was like, no, no, no. This time it's, like, so true. It's like there's chemistry, and you actually can't not feel it. And then sort of off screen, to watch it kind of blossom into what it has become, you know? Know, I think that's remarkable.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, it's rare. It's definitely rare.

[Alan Tudyk]

I like the way you describe it, the metaphor of the seed, because, I mean, have we ever been closer or loved each other more? I mean, it just grows with time.

[Nathan Fillion]

There was that one con where we got together and drank too much. We were pretty close over that weekend.

[Sean Maher]

Oh, my God. We drank. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Cons. Cons have changed a great deal since we started. I was introduced to. To cons through Firefly. I'm pretty sure you were, too, right?

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

And Nathan invited me to the person. It was those English cons from that guy who ended up being Starfury.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah. He was another Sean, right?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes, he was. Yes, he was. And he. He was one of the people that got me to make con man. As far as the oddness that took place during those conventions, there was some specific things about the guy who took the pictures for us who had a. He had to keep his hand in a bucket of ice between pressing the froggy. No, no, there's a guy that he had.

[Alan Tudyk]

Who. This photographer.

[Sean Maher]

Okay.

[Nathan Fillion]

Fans would come in and take portraits with us, and they would stand beside us.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

It would go so fast. You know, come back in. There you go. And come in and check and check. And this guy would have to say, I'm sorry, I was going to take a break, and he had a ice bucket for champagne, and he would just lay his hand on the ice bucket and say, of course. This is. It's throbbing like as if he was. He is exerting himself in such an extreme way. And it was his. His finger that was clicking.

[Alan Tudyk]

The shutter finger.

[Nathan Fillion]

The shutter finger.

[Sean Maher]

I think I vaguely remember.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, my God. That guy made such an impression on me.

[Sean Maher]

I was probably drunk that.

[Nathan Fillion]

Because that's what would happen at those old cons. We would drink a lot because there were no cameras.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, there were no cameras.

[Nathan Fillion]

And the only camera was being worked by a guy who had a bum finger. And that was it. People didn't have cameras, weren't on phones yet. So we would do whatever the. I know. I remember doing whatever the fans would ask. We go into those, and they'd be like, take off your shirt and sing a song. Yep. All right, I did that.

[Alan Tudyk]

Really? No, I've never really been much into that kind of stuff.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, I look pretty good back in those days without my shirt on.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's true. It's true.

[Nathan Fillion]

And really, my voice was in great singing shape. But, yeah, those early cons, and that was during a time when Firefly was just starting. The fans were. It was just growing as a. As a fandom because we were only on for such a short time, and it was kind of between the show and making the movie. We made that movie, Serenity.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's true. That's true, Sean. I don't know if you remember that, but you were great in it.

[Sean Maher]

Was I? Was I in that?

[Alan Tudyk]

Yes, Sean, you did a scene in that. Right after you get shot. You have your, like, your little speech about what you need to do, and then you finish it off with apologizing to your sister. I always tell you this. I know. It always makes me cry.

[Sean Maher]

Every time you have told me this.

[Alan Tudyk]

Every time.

[Sean Maher]

Well, it's very flattering.

[Alan Tudyk]

It's.

[Sean Maher]

That's one of those moments, though, where it's like, I wasn't doing anything, you know, it's like, oh, you know, oh.

[Alan Tudyk]

You'Re doing so much. You doing so much.

[Sean Maher]

But I put. Put, you know, as. As an actor, like, I didn't have to really do anything, you know, because the word.

[Nathan Fillion]

Why is that?

[Sean Maher]

I think just the energy around me, the support around me, like Marina right there and Summer and, you know, and I sort of liked, I don't know, Jewels over on the bench.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

Even Adam, Some would say.

[Nathan Fillion]

Some would say that the reason it was so effective was because Wash was just killed. But, I mean, I've heard that. I've heard that said. I mean, I said it. I just said it.

[Alan Tudyk]

That it's because.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, yeah. It's because Wash died and the stakes were so high. It's.

[Alan Tudyk]

You forgot to say spoiler alert.

[Nathan Fillion]

Charge. I don't think we can. I don't know that.

[Sean Maher]

Spoiler alert.

[Nathan Fillion]

I don't think we can we say that anymore.

[Alan Tudyk]

It's only been almost, you know, 15 years. So you. You have to say spoiler.

[Nathan Fillion]

Can I just say, too. It's still too soon. It's definitely still too soon. But Wash did die too soon. But you. Yes, it was a beautiful. A beautiful job. Beautiful, beautiful work there. Because at that point, I think everybody's thinking, oh, they're all going to die. He's going to kill them all.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sean, you are no longer in Los Angeles.

[Sean Maher]

No, I'm in Michigan.

[Alan Tudyk]

What do you miss about Los Angeles and the industry? The grind, as we might say? What do you miss about it?

[Sean Maher]

I miss you guys. I don't miss Los Angeles.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's fair. No, that's fair. That was my next question. What do you not miss?

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, well, I think I've never been happier here. Like, I've never been happier in my life than there, where you are family and house and. And this. For some reason, I've never felt so connected to, like, a state before. Like I love the state of Michigan. Like I, yeah, I used to be the craziest, die hard New Yorker and now I'm like, yeah, you got nothing on Detroit. Like, I love Michigan so much. So I think it's. I can't imagine myself anywhere else. So I think that is part of it. What is it that I don't like? I think it's just so consuming my gratitude here that I just don't want. I don't want to go to New York, I don't want to go to la. I don't really. I don't miss any of it.

[Alan Tudyk]

I have to imagine your love for Michigan has a lot to do with the fact that you've built a family there.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, Liam was, he started kindergarten, Sophia started third grade. We were in Venice for four years. The last, last four years we were in Venice and we sort of, kind of nudged that sort of nudged us out. And I. My husband grew up here, so there were, he's one of five. So there were like 18 cousins, you know, at the time. So, yeah, it made a lot of sense and we took a leap of faith and you know, at that point, I don't know, I think I was like getting a little bit of an offer here, there. Like I had to Skype. Remember Skype? Like I Skyped with a director once. I was like, oh, I don't have to be in LA proper anymore, you know. Not gonna lie, it did make things rather difficult for me, especially because the film incentive, between the time we bought the house, renovated the house nine months, moved and the film incentive was gone. The governor had. Had gotten rid in Michigan. So.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Maher]

So then they were, they went from like blowing up in downtown Detroit to like nothing.

[Nathan Fillion]

That was a dicey time for Detroit during those. That was like, that wasn't a high time for Detroit. There was a lot of bankruptcies and. Right.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, yeah. But now it's like, it's on the up. You know what Detroit right now reminds me of what Brooklyn was like when it just started to turn. When you'd see the farm to table restaurants, when you'd see the art galleries, when you'd start to see the little boutiques, when you'd start to see people sort of like flocking the museum's theater.

[Alan Tudyk]

Cool.

[Sean Maher]

Like there's so much in Detroit. Yeah, I mean, you have to be. It's still Detroit. Like you have to kind of get in your car and go from here to there. You don't really want to be, you.

[Nathan Fillion]

Know, strolling I had a friend who was doing a movie during that time, and how I know this about the time being a bit dicey is because they were making a movie. I think it was. It was the Red Dawn. They make a Red dawn remake before the reshoots. They were shooting downtown and people getting mugged in the village in the. You know, right there in video. Not in video village, in the, like, where all the trailers are set up, like base camp.

[Sean Maher]

Base camp.

[Alan Tudyk]

Thank you.

[Nathan Fillion]

Also known as the.

[Alan Tudyk]

The.

[Nathan Fillion]

The. The village. There's the video village, and then there's the. The.

[Sean Maher]

The.

[Nathan Fillion]

The village, which is base camp. Yeah. And people were getting mugged. It was a scary, dangerous place.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

But they also made that movie. Just little. A little film factoid. Film factoid. Music, please. Film factoid. When they made the remake of Red Dawn 2, the original script was China against America. China had pulled in all of it, basically said, we've loaned you all this money. We're calling it our chips, and you don't have the money. Oh, okay. Then we're just going to invade and take over your country. And they shot this whole film, and then they went to sell it, and they went, you can't trash China. They're huge theater market. You can't sell this movie. You've made a huge mistake. And so they had to go back into reshoots and say, I mean, North Korea comes and invades, which is a much bigger stretch. And I guess, I don't know, all the Chinese troops. Hey, come on. What are we looking at here? Anyway, that was your film fact from Alan.

[Sean Maher]

I did not know that. Thanks. Thanks.

[Alan Tudyk]

Now, Sean, last time we were together, we had a lovely dinner in Seattle. I want to say it was some lovely steakhouse.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Every time I get an opportunity to sit next to you for approximately an hour or more, I get to dig deep with you. Now, I just want to talk parenting for a quick second because it's something that lights you up, but something that terrifies me. Just the stressful kind of nature of, for example, picking the right school.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

For your parents. I'm just trying to get. Oh, we're the other way around. Got it, got it, got it, got it. Go, go.

[Alan Tudyk]

Sorry, sorry. Those kinds of things. Now, just a little more esoteric. How do you make sure your kids don't grow up to be jerks?

[Sean Maher]

That's first and foremost. That's. Honestly, just be a good human being. Let's start there. But how do I do it? I. I don't know. Oh, we have two dogs now it's so funny. We moved here, we got two dogs, and, like, something with the dogs. Everyone's like, oh, it's like having children. I was like, no, it's so much harder. Like, it's so much harder for me because with parenting, like, the dogs, I didn't understand, like, black, white, good dog, bad dog. Yes. No, that made no sense to me. With parenting, something, like, kicked in, like an instant, and I just sort of, like, kind of found my way. I'm fascinated by child psychology and some even now I'm reading, you know, books that aren't really relevant to my children anymore. But I'm. I'm fascinated by, you know, now the concept of, like, reparenting now that, you know, childhood trauma is such a hot topic and how we sort of can reparent ourselves if we didn't get what we needed growing up.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, wow.

[Sean Maher]

You know, that's. That's something I'm fascinated with. But, like, picking the right school, I don't know. I. Sometimes I want to punch people in their face when they say, like, oh, it all. You know, it's the right. You'll. You'll land where you're supposed to. Or like, you. You know. But I do believe that if you, you know, I'm so blessed that we had the means to, you know, back in la, like, you know, we were looking at privately, so it was like, which not bad choice do we take? You know, and then coming here, it's like, you can't make a bad choice. And I'm very, very blessed to be in that position. So I don't really, like, have to put too much weight on that.

[Alan Tudyk]

So then you find a great school and you're sending your kids, you go, oh, my God, we're so blessed. This is great. And we have the idea that I want to raise my kid not to be an asshole. But then you're putting them into a classroom with 25 other kids, and not everybody in the world is concerned about whether or not they're being an asshole and whether or not they're just spreading that germ to their children. What is that dynamic? Like, you know, you're sending your kids to a school and, like. And not all of them have the parents that are as concerned as you are.

[Sean Maher]

How do I. I don't know.

[Alan Tudyk]

Have you encountered that yet? Have you escaped this phenomenon?

[Sean Maher]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. And it's always, I never blame the kid.

[Alan Tudyk]

Right.

[Sean Maher]

Look to the parents and then you can understand sort of where it's coming from. But my kids are solid. I think they can sniff out assholes. And, like, especially my daughter, she never went down the path of, like, popular girls, mean girls, like, all of that. She was always, like, doing her own thing. So I don't know. I just. I just trust that they're gonna use their judgment. And there are, like, times where Liam will be like, oh, I don't. You know, I don't wanna have that kid over. You know, it's. He's just. He's so much. When he comes over, and in my head, I'm like, yeah, he's a fucking little prick. But I. I thought you liked him. But, oh, yeah, you're starting to see what I see, which is, like, a little entitled, Right?

[Nathan Fillion]

Of course. A child who has some bad parents at home. Let's say that. Yeah, totally.

[Sean Maher]

And, you know, and then the kids. Yeah, I think they sense that. And I don't know, we. There was a time in, like, seventh grade when Sophia, like, stood up for somebody.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm so proud.

[Nathan Fillion]

She was standing up for a bully, unfortunately.

[Sean Maher]

No, she was. She was in the lunch. She was in the lunchroom. Another parent called us and was like, oh, my God, did you hear? That's so incredible, what Sophia did today. And we were like, what are you talking about? And then there was a kid who was sitting alone in the lunchroom, and people were throwing stuff at him. And she got up and went and sat down next to him.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, my God.

[Sean Maher]

And just had her lunch. And then we asked her about it. We're like, hey, who did you join at lunch today? She's like, oh, I don't know. I was like, you didn't know him? She's like, no. I'm like, you don't know his name? She's like, I don't know his name.

[Nathan Fillion]

I just call him Stinky Pete like everybody else.

[Sean Maher]

And she was like, he just needed. He needed someone to sit next to him.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow.

[Sean Maher]

That's what I did, man.

[Nathan Fillion]

You know, What a great kid.

[Alan Tudyk]

Do you have those parents who say, oh, well, she set up a play date with our kids, and you think, no, thanks, that's.

[Sean Maher]

We're good. Well, you know, we used to have so much control over that when they were younger. You know, it was like, you'd find the parents that you liked and let's get our kids together. And then it sort of turns. And now I'm in the phase of, like, they're both old enough that I don't really deal with any kind of scheduling with other parents. It's like, kids Are just making their own thing. But yeah, it's. It's tricky. I don't know. But going back to the waiter thing, we were always like, you put your phone down, you say please and thank you. You look them in the eye and ask for what you need, you know, and you shake somebody's hand, you lock eyes with them. Like that was always very, very important to Paul and I. Like good old fashioned. Be polite. Be a good person. Don't be a bystander.

[Nathan Fillion]

Wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

All right. Guilty pleasures.

[Nathan Fillion]

Guilty pleasure. So you enjoy it, but while you're enjoying it, you're a little bit like, I shouldn't be enjoying this this much.

[Alan Tudyk]

Exactly.

[Nathan Fillion]

That type of thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Guilty pleasures.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah. I'll start. Guilty pleasures for me. Chocolate.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

I should not eat chocolate in general. I love it. I will eat it if I get a chance. Also, boy bands. What?

[Sean Maher]

Okay, Okay.

[Nathan Fillion]

I shouldn't eat boy bands. And yet this morning.

[Alan Tudyk]

I got a little NSYNC in my teeth.

[Nathan Fillion]

I just eat chocolate without the guilt.

[Alan Tudyk]

No guilt without the guilt.

[Sean Maher]

I don't have a lot.

[Alan Tudyk]

Like a Nutella loaf. Like, there's this place near me that makes this, like a. Like a cake, essentially, a swirl of Nutella in it. I shouldn't be eating that. I do.

[Nathan Fillion]

Why not?

[Alan Tudyk]

Do you enjoy it with guilt? Yes.

[Nathan Fillion]

But your guilt is because you've got costumes to wear and you've got things that if you. If your weight fluctuates and you got to deal with that crap and all that.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm 54 years old. I could be putting a lot more healthy things into my body. Have a carrot, for fuck's sake. True.

[Nathan Fillion]

Carrot cake. Oh, carrot, carrot. Oh, I see. That's where the guilt comes in. Okay.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

All sweet things. I shouldn't eat any sweet things. I can get pre diabetic. I got those pre diabetic warnings, so I actually.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, Jesus.

[Nathan Fillion]

I qualify for Ozempic. But now that I learned Ozempic burps exist, I don't want to do that. I'd like to lose the weight. But ozempic burps sugar for me, I guess.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't know.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's not healthy.

[Sean Maher]

Now I feel like I'm infusing it.

[Alan Tudyk]

How do you. Can you. How do you. What's it. Do you worry about keeping your kids off sugar? Do you worry about eating, feeding your kids the right thing and teaching your kids good eating habits?

[Sean Maher]

Yes, of course. Yes, yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

So where does chocolate fit in that little scenario?

[Nathan Fillion]

I think Sean is way healthier than both of us. That's what I'm getting.

[Alan Tudyk]

That is absolutely true. And he's eating chocolate and sugar.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's mentally. He's just got it. You got it figured out?

[Sean Maher]

Well, hardly, I would say.

[Nathan Fillion]

Is it just.

[Sean Maher]

Is it.

[Nathan Fillion]

The thing about just everything in moderation is. That's the thing.

[Sean Maher]

You know, the biggest thing that I figured out is that if I think I've figured it out, then I'm fucked.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, that's a good clue.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

Like, if I think, oh, yeah, I got it, or like, oh, I figured it out, then I'm like, it's not a good thing for me.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's the blind spot alert that goes off. Something's in my blind spot. I cannot see it. Can I ask you some questions about your tattoos? These are. These are. These are some. A new addition to your body. You didn't have any of that during Firefly, right? Any tattoos?

[Sean Maher]

I did not.

[Nathan Fillion]

What's up with the tattoos? How many tattoos do you have? You, like, tons on your back?

[Sean Maher]

No.

[Nathan Fillion]

The Virgin Mary, the Guadalupe, going back.

[Sean Maher]

I have. Oh, you want to know the funniest? There's school, which is, you know, a local private school. They like borders. 30% are borders. And the history teacher is one of the most wonderful women. She. When Sophia had just started her class, Sophia came home and said, you know, she's a huge Firefly fan. This. This woman. I was like, oh, cool. And I think she has the serenity that the ship tattooed on her back. And I was like. I was like, no, those are rumors. Like, to. Stop that. Stop that. Anyway, lo and behold. And now I know her well, and she's awesome. And she has the ship on her back, which.

[Nathan Fillion]

So she took off her top in front of you. Is that a guilty pleasure?

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, she liked that.

[Sean Maher]

I love when lesbian history teachers take their shirts down for me. There it is. That's my guilty pleasure.

[Nathan Fillion]

We have the same guilty pleasure. That's weird.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

Is this true? Somebody told me this about you that. I don't think you know him. Did you used to have a lot of piercings in your face? Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

What?

[Nathan Fillion]

Yes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Here's something I didn't know.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Nose, eyebrow, septum.

[Sean Maher]

Eyebrow, tongue. The dos, which is like the inside of the ear. No. I had nipples. I had belly button. I never went below the waist.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, good.

[Sean Maher]

But knew people who had. Yeah, I did that in, like, college. Like, sophomore year, freshman year, sophomore year.

[Nathan Fillion]

Like, the septum's really big now, and it's like, everybody has that. You were way ahead of that. Curve always.

[Sean Maher]

You know, I still have dreams about my tongue ring. I miss it still to this day. It's like, diagnosed with adult ADHD back then. What's the best fidget spinner? This little thing in your mouth.

[Nathan Fillion]

Everybody. Everybody who had one of those were always just work.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah. But I used to take it out. And then my. The professors, you know, at NYU were like, you know, they're like, listen, I can still hear it. It's not in your mouth, but your addiction is compensating for carrying just that, a little bit of weight. So even when it was out, I was kind of talking a little bit like, I had it in my mouth, you know, like. Because you had to hold it just a little bit. And so I was like, this stupid.

[Nathan Fillion]

That's tricky for an actor.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Did they all go at once? When you decided you're gonna. You're gonna back off on the Pierce.

[Sean Maher]

I was in London and so that's your nipple.

[Nathan Fillion]

Your left. Your left nipple.

[Sean Maher]

It got infected and it was.

[Nathan Fillion]

Whose left nipple hasn't gotten fact to go ahead.

[Sean Maher]

For some reason. That was sort of it for me. And I. I don't know, I just started taking them out. But then it's like, years later, I. You know, the septum stays open. I could, like, plop it right back in. And I still have the little scar from my eyebrow, but, yeah, I heard a lot.

[Alan Tudyk]

Wow. I never knew this.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, this is great. I would love to. If you can check us out in the Patreon section, you'll be able to see pictures of. No, I don't know that. That's not true. Pictures of John with all of his metal. You can see a picture of the infected nipple. Attention Patreon subscribers, you can see no such thing.

[Alan Tudyk]

Hidden talent.

[Sean Maher]

Ceramics, really.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, are we talking you throwing clay on a wheel? Because I've tried it one time, and.

[Nathan Fillion]

That is hard to do.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, I just got my first. I got my first wheel. I've got a studio that I go to. Got a wheel. We're building a studio for me. What?

[Alan Tudyk]

Very Zen. Very Zen, right? It just really chills and relaxes you. You're having a good time, buddy.

[Nathan Fillion]

You've got such a cool life.

[Sean Maher]

It's pure joy. Like, when I start, I was like, God, I can't remember the last time I had done something for just pure joy. Like, that was it. Like, it just brought me. It still does. Brings me so much joy. I love it so much. And I haven't been doing it that long, but, you know, I have A dear friend who's been doing it, like, for a while, and, you know, it is very hard. And apparently I'm. Something just clicked with it.

[Nathan Fillion]

How cool.

[Alan Tudyk]

I'm very artsy. I'm very crafty. I can do a lot of things. I tried that.

[Nathan Fillion]

It works.

[Alan Tudyk]

Was extremely difficult. Yeah, you need strength and control and.

[Sean Maher]

Just to center it. Yeah, you got it. Like, I don't know if you took a class or.

[Alan Tudyk]

I don't know. No, I had a friend who's very, very good at it. He just brought a couple of us down to the. To his studio to try out, and he just put the clay on the wheel for us and let us just do the sexy part, you know, from.

[Nathan Fillion]

Ghost with Patrick Swayze.

[Alan Tudyk]

There you go. But the rest of it, that's all the hard work. He did all that stuff for us. But I have a. I made an ashtray.

[Sean Maher]

Did you?

[Alan Tudyk]

Of course I did. Don't we all. We make it a little ashtray. But mine was special because it had, like, a little dish within the dish that you would keep matches in.

[Sean Maher]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I have something like that.

[Alan Tudyk]

You have to send me something. You have to. You have to make me something.

[Sean Maher]

I'll make you something for sure.

[Alan Tudyk]

I would love that. I would absolutely love that. A candy dish that I'll never fill because that's a guilty pleasure. Oh, yeah.

[Sean Maher]

He has.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's raising a family. He has hobbies. He's got a pottery studio. Look at this. You're like Seth Rogen.

[Alan Tudyk]

You're like Seth Rogan when you say you're building a studio. Is it on the house?

[Sean Maher]

So I don't know if you can see this. This is blue and black porcelain that I marbled together.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, God. So, folks at home, I wish you could see this. This is phenomenal.

[Nathan Fillion (closing credits)]

I've never seen anything like this.

[Nathan Fillion]

You're looking at a very high end piece. What you're looking at, there's a lot of shine. There's a. This thing has been in the kiln more than once.

[Alan Tudyk]

I can see my face in that. Oh, wow.

[Sean Maher]

Okay, There it goes.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, it reminds me of a Canadian bowling ball. Those little small ones.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's classy. There's a plant, and it's got a little plant in it.

[Sean Maher]

That's Hindu rope plant.

[Nathan Fillion]

Seth Rogan wishes he could. You're very different styles. Very different styles of pottery.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, well, I don't smoke pot. Start there.

[Nathan Fillion]

He's using performance enhancing drugs with his pottery. Well, that's so cool, man. That's an impressive life you have built.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

It's so full. In just the mere 21 years since we made Firefly.

[Nathan Fillion (closing credits)]

Oh, has it.

[Alan Tudyk]

Oh, my God. Has it been that long?

[Nathan Fillion]

21, I think still. Just celebrate 20.

[Alan Tudyk]

Unification Day. Happy belated Unification Day. Unification Day was another day, right? That's the day that is it. Firefly came out. That's the day the Firefly came out, I think so was Unification Day.

[Sean Maher]

Wow. I had the saga with my nut.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, you had your.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, it's continued. I had surgery last week, so I'm a little mangled.

[Alan Tudyk]

Another surgery? Yeah. Just so everybody knows. So you had a little bit of melanoma removed from the edge of your nose?

[Sean Maher]

I had, uh. No, I had carcinoma, so I had basal cell, which is so.

[Alan Tudyk]

Bad.

[Sean Maher]

Bad. And so they go and they. They took, like, a significant portion of my nose off. And. And then what they wanted to do is take a flap of my forehead and connect it to my nose, leave it there for, like, three weeks. So then it grows into the nose, and then you go back under and they cut it and they stitch it all back up. And I said, fuck. You know, so then they took it from my collarbone that first time. And then because it was such a gaping. I had a very large and aggressive tumor. From what I hear, the graft never really took. Cause it was collarbone on the nose, and it just. I don't know. So then I have the best surgeon. He's such a great guy. And he was like, you know, we could do round two. And I was like, all right. So we went in, got rid of the graft, and now, because there's not, like, you know, it wasn't a massive, like, removal of anything, he was able to just sort of stitch it up. So now I'll have a little bit of scarring on my nose instead of.

[Alan Tudyk]

Listen, if you need donor nose, mine is huge. I could do with a little less nose.

[Nathan Fillion]

I have some cartilage, too, I really want to gift you from my nose.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

Wear your sunscreen. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Where's sunscreen, folks?

[Sean Maher]

I was shocked. I was shocked. Wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

Well, listen, we're glad that it all worked out and you're gonna remain with us for many, many more. 21 more years to come, for sure.

[Nathan Fillion]

Scary. Scary.

[Alan Tudyk]

Great.

[Nathan Fillion]

They took a piece of your nose away.

[Sean Maher]

I sent Jewel the picture, if you want the picture.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, we want the picture.

[Nathan Fillion]

That can also be a Patreon thing. You can see the picture of Sean and missing my nose with nose rings. And then with that piece of the nose that used to have a ring. Completely gone.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah. And now the time has come for let's get to know you better. This is the part of the show where you tell us something we. We don't know about you. That maybe nobody knows this about you.

[Nathan Fillion]

Sean, I know you and you know me. Let's get to know you better. Maybe we should. Giving you this as. As homework.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah, we shouldn't. Maybe not sprung.

[Nathan Fillion]

Basically, three things have come up in your head, and you're like, I can't tell you those because where the bodies are buried and.

[Sean Maher]

Well, I feel like I'm such an open book. There's not much.

[Alan Tudyk]

There's not a lot of secrets left.

[Sean Maher]

Not really.

[Nathan Fillion]

I go, but like that.

[Sean Maher]

You.

[Nathan Fillion]

You. You used to have a face full of metal.

[Alan Tudyk]

We should have landed on that.

[Sean Maher]

How about. My dad was a funeral director, and I used to play hide and seek in caskets with my sister.

[Nathan Fillion]

Whoa. Wonderful.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's not classified.

[Nathan Fillion]

That.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's. That'll fit.

[Sean Maher]

Nailed it.

[Nathan Fillion]

Wow.

[Alan Tudyk]

Now, your dad was a funeral director. Did he do any of the embalming portions of the.

[Sean Maher]

All of them? Yeah, I used to.

[Alan Tudyk]

Alan is lighting up like a Christmas tree right now.

[Sean Maher]

I used to. Yeah. When he would. Every time he would set up a wake, I would go and I would, like, get really close to the body and I would touch. Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Give him a little kiss.

[Sean Maher]

I was so sure every single time. I was so sure it was going to move, like. And I would just watch, like. And I walked in on an embalm.

[Alan Tudyk]

So they kind of blink open and.

[Nathan Fillion]

Go, I'm faking it totally for insurance money.

[Sean Maher]

I hate what they buried me in.

[Alan Tudyk]

That's. How old were you?

[Sean Maher]

Oh, gosh, I don't know. 10? 10, 11? No, I don't know.

[Alan Tudyk]

You had a lot of access to dead bodies back then.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah, I walked in on an embalming. That's not pretty.

[Nathan Fillion]

Not pretty.

[Sean Maher]

And.

[Nathan Fillion]

Well, okay, so let's talk about that. What did you see that wasn't pretty? Was the person not pretty or. Oh, wait, what? What is it?

[Sean Maher]

The whole system and the stale sort of metallic.

[Alan Tudyk]

Really.

[Nathan Fillion]

Were they taking the fluids out under the arm under that?

[Sean Maher]

Yes. Well, I had the angle from, like, if the corpse was laying this way and the head is here. I sort of came in here. So I got the top of the head and I couldn't even see. I could see arms. I couldn't see, like, you know, the body itself.

[Nathan Fillion]

And they were naked, though. They were all totally naked.

[Alan Tudyk]

Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

And. And was it like, get on out of here. What are you doing a little bit.

[Alan Tudyk]

Or do you say hold this and hand you a leg?

[Sean Maher]

It was my. Yeah, it was just my dad because my uncle worked there as well. You know, my dad. When he was 17, his father passed away. So he took over this funeral business when he was 17 years old to.

[Nathan Fillion]

Get the girls to support.

[Sean Maher]

Well, to support his sisters, his three sisters, his mom.

[Nathan Fillion]

Oh, wow. Wow. So he. He didn't really have a choice going into it.

[Alan Tudyk]

No. Wow. But business is great because people were dying to be customers.

[Nathan Fillion]

Hey, now, that was a dad joke. Dad joke.

[Alan Tudyk]

I've learned a couple of things about Sean that I've never known before, but this one's a shocker. Yeah.

[Sean Maher]

Then last time I saw you, I was like, oh, I'm sober and I'm bipolar.

[Alan Tudyk]

That was the other deep dive we went into. We were sitting next to each other at TNR Seattle. I was like, every time I get Sean for more than an hour, I am just mouth agape going, I have just learned so much about this guy, man. This wonderful, handsome hunk of a man.

[Sean Maher]

Ah, shucks. Yeah.

[Nathan Fillion]

With a hell of a life. It's amazing. It's amazing. Thank you for sharing it with us.

[Sean Maher]

Yeah.

[Alan Tudyk]

Proud of you, buddy. Congrats. Thanks for doing this so much. It's always a pleasure to talk to you, and it's always just so wonderful to catch up with you and your family and say hello to your lovely husband for me. I haven't seen him in ages and ages.

[Sean Maher]

I know.

[Alan Tudyk]

I know.

[Sean Maher]

Well, thank you guys for having me and for.

[Nathan Fillion]

Yeah, man.

[Sean Maher]

And for just being. Being you.

[Alan Tudyk]

Love you, buddy.

[Nathan Fillion (closing credits)]

Hello, and thank you for listening. This is Nathan Fillion. Now is the part where I read aloud the credits for our show in my best telephone voice. So put on some headphones, lay back, and relax because this is our time.

[Alan Tudyk]

If you haven't yet, you can always.

[Nathan Fillion (closing credits)]

Head over to our Patreon to get bonus content, longer episodes, and a chance to get your hands on some incredible crap. If you love the show, please leave us a review and feel free to tell all your friends. If you didn't love the show, now is the time for quiet contemplation. Once We Were Spacemen is a collision 33 production. Some of the names I will mention are my favorite people in the world, and some of them have room for improvement. You know who you are. If you hear your name being read, please stand up. This show is produced by Siobhan Homan, Michelle Chapman, and Josh Lebbey of Collision 33. We are edited, mixed and produced by Resonate Recordings, with special thanks to to Courtney Blomquist and Adam Townsell. Our theme music is done by Carlos Sosa and Joshua Moore. Artwork by the incredible and incomparable Louis Jensen. But going to tell you right now, I think he fakes his accent. Until next time.

[Nathan Fillion]

Ozempic burps.