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Andrew
This is a headgum podcast.
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Craig
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Andrew
While Andrew and Craig believe the joy of discovery is crucial to enjoying any.
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Craig
Well told tale, they will not shy.
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Andrew
Away from spoiling specific story beats when necessary.
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Craig
Plus, these are books you should have read by now. Sit me baby, one more time. Welcome to episode two of a bespoke miniseries brought to you by the boys at Overdue, a podcast by the books you've been meaning to read. My name is Craig.
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Andrew
My name is Andrew and this is.
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Craig
Our newest long reads miniseries where we are going to talk to you about a famous club sandwich.
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Andrew
One of the best known clubs.
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Craig
One of the best clubs.
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Andrew
Well, just it's widely renowned, it's respected.
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Craig
No tour throughout the world, you know. Yes, one of the, one of the most famous clubs to have club in the title of, you know, just like Sam's Club. The Babysitters Club.
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Andrew
Right. Because there are a lot of like organizations that are functionally clubs that don't have club in the name, but this is not one of them.
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Craig
No, the Babysitters Club is what we're here to discuss.
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Andrew
Book number two. Yes, Claudia and the Phantom Phone Calls. I've kept wanting to call this book everything but Claudia and the Phantom Phone Calls. Including like the Phantom Collar.
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Craig
Well, that, see, I think that, I think it's important that it's not called. And the Phantom Caller.
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Andrew
Yes, because it's not that.
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Craig
It's because it's not.
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Andrew
The full title in my Kindle app also says Claudia and the Phantom phone calls. Parentheses, the Babysitters Club number two, colon, classic edition. Parentheses, Babysitters Club. Parentheses, 1986-1999. Close parentheses, close parentheses. So it does. I know that's when the Babysitters Club ran, but it does sound kind of like an epitaph in a way that I don't know.
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Craig
Oh, that's weird. Oh no, thanks. So yes, we are going through several books in the Babysitter's Club series, checking in on the introduction, introductory books for each of the main club members. And last time it was Christie's great idea. Not Christie's big idea. Right.
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Andrew
These great idea. It was big and great.
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Craig
Christy's great. Christie's great idea.
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Andrew
Great in the, in the, like, the size sense. It was a great, you know, a great idea. Great ideas.
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Craig
Again, this book is by Anne M. Martin, and we have not yet reached the point of the series where they admitted that ghostwriters were involved. This is theoretically right from the tap. Martin. That is.
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Andrew
Yeah. As we discuss in episode zero, I. I think it's like we get into the 40s before that sort of thing starts happening, like. Yeah, consistently. And it's even later than that before an finally drops out. But all these early ones are. Are, yes. Uncut. And M. Martin.
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Craig
So last.
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Andrew
No Ghost riders, no mediators.
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Craig
Last time in book one, we met Christie. We met her whole family. Her deal, her mom, her brothers, her pending stepdad. That was like the. The B plot of the book or the A plot. Babysitting Christie. Yeah, but the A plot is babysitting. But I guess for Christie's life, maybe that was the A plot. I don't know. And she also formed the babysitters club in their small town of Stony Brook. There are four young girls who are in seventh grade, right?
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Andrew
Yep. They just started seventh grade within, you know, a couple of months. This book takes place in late October. As we are reminded all the time, that's how much time has passed the. In the world.
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Craig
Yes.
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Andrew
School year's up and running, but we're not very far yet.
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Craig
We've got four of them. We've got Christie. She is, you know, kind of the leader of the pack, but also, like, kind of puts her foot in her. In her mouth sometimes. That's, like, her deal. She's navigating her changing, you know, blended family situation.
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Andrew
We've got Mar 90s, 90s divorced kid.
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Craig
Very much so. Step by step, day by day. Marianne is Christie's, like, you know, best friend. Growing up is a little. The word that this book uses that Claudia uses is held in as, like.
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Andrew
Kind of sheltering euphemism.
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Craig
You know, her mom died when she was very young. Basically only knows being raised by her dad. Her dad is very overprotective. And so Marianne is often kind of portrayed as being a little bit of the. Like, the baby girl of the group.
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Andrew
Yeah. And there's. As acknowledged in the first book, there is a divide between these four girls. So we've also got Claudia Kishi, who is the vice president of the group. Marianne's, like, 90s kid. Thing is that her mom died, and her dad is very overprotective of her because of it.
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Craig
Yes.
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Andrew
Claudia Kishi is a daughter of, I think, Japanese immigrants, like first generation. She dresses cool. She has a very 90s.
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Craig
Cool. Yes.
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Andrew
Yeah. Is the vice president of the babysitters club. And then there is Stacy, whose last name escapes me at the moment.
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Craig
Yes, same.
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Andrew
She is new girl in town from New York City. What also has diabetes is a newcomer. Like Claudia and Marianne and Christie have all known each other for a long time.
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Craig
But.
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Andrew
But Stacy's a newcomer.
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Craig
Yep.
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Andrew
And. And yeah, so the. They're still kind of getting to know her. Stacy's not as major a presence in this really.
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Craig
Not at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Andrew
Which I was kind of surprised from her babysitting, but yeah, I was kind.
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Craig
Of surprised by that, given that it's a Claudia book that like early on, the reason Stacy's in the group is that her and Claudia kind of clicked somehow somewhere.
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Andrew
Yeah.
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Craig
But no, Stacy's just kind of off on her own for most of the book. And the other Stacy book.
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Andrew
Soon enough.
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Craig
Yes, we will get there. And the other main thing for Claudia is that she has had a, you know, a boy awakening that we will.
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Andrew
We can't call it that.
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Craig
Well, she. She has been awakened to the. The possibility that boys are things other than gross.
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Andrew
Yes. Right.
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Craig
And that is know laid out in the first book that Christie is not there yet, Marianne is not there yet, and we'll see how this book changes that. Or not.
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Andrew
Yeah. And that. That was the divide between. Between the four is like Claudia and Stacy kind of feel a little bit older, like to themselves and are perceived as a little bit older. And Christy and Marianne are described as a little younger, a little babyish. And in this book, I think Claudia is specifically like, yeah, Marianne probably babies down Christie a little bit.
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Craig
Yeah. If you get Christie on her own, you could like, you know, go smoke under the bleachers. But that's not what this book is saying. No, no, no.
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Andrew
Sure.
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Craig
This book was Originally published in 1986 in October, ironically enough, with reprints in 95, 2010 and 2020. Original cover art by Dale Dyer, follow up cover art by H. Soo. As we talked about in the last episode. And here is the back cover blurb that I have for you. Andrew, Christy, Claudia, Marianne and Stacy have had some strange adventures since they started the Babysitters Club. But nothing's been as spooky as what's going on right now. The babysitters have been getting mysterious phone calls when they're out on their jobs. When a phone rings and they pick up, there's no one on the other end of the line. Claudia is sure it's the phantom caller. A Jewel thief who's been operating in the area. Claudia has always liked reading mysteries, but she doesn't like it when they happen to her. So she and the babysitters decide to take action with some very mixed results.
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Andrew
The thing like, so the first book, the, the big, like, tone setting, heavy lifting stuff that I had to do is it just like, had to introduce all the characters in addition to being about babysitting and then in addition to also being about Christy.
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Craig
Yeah.
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Andrew
So there's a lot going on in there. This, I think, is the Babysitter's Club mystery, like, side series would not start for several years after this, but it shows a streak of, like, mystery friendly DNA and like, Nancy Drew adjacent DNA that makes it easy to see why that's something Anna Martin wanted to branch off into.
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Craig
There's a letter from Ann at the back of the book where she talks about at one point, you know, the girls in this will come up with a code on the phone to keep each other safe. That's the thing that Martin says that she and her friend came up with when they were babysitting as kids talk about how it's kind of, it can be a little fun to think so hard about something. It scares you a little bit and that, that's okay. And she says this became the first mystery in the series. You know, Martin likes mysteries and they became so popular that they launched their own spinoff. So she does trace the lineage of the spinoff series to this book, which makes perfect sense. But the thing you mentioned earlier is that, like, there's room on the table for more here compared to the first book, and that difference is pretty stark.
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Andrew
I think we also still haven't really conclusively determined whether Morbida Destiny is actually.
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Craig
I don't think we have.
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Andrew
I feel like there's a little bit of, like, Sabrina the Teenage witch is not friends with the girls in the babysitter's club, but she lives like, on the other side of town or something and she's over there having her adventures.
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Craig
Yes, there is. Christie thinks that she's closed the case on that one, but I don't think that that's true.
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Andrew
There's still a lot to find out. So what, how would you, how did you feel about this? Like, I, I, I was a little surprised by the amount of continuity that's, that's going on. Like, yes, somebody is, somebody was pregnant in the last book who's still pregnant in this book. Like, somebody broke an ankle in the last book and it's still broken in this book. Just like little touches.
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Craig
Yeah, I was impressed by that. Like in the sense that like you don't. I don't think I needed that for probably the series to be interesting. But that is probably part of what makes the, the series so long lasting for people who read it, especially back then as it does now. Like that kind of thing continuing is what's going to give it its power. But. And the way that it's kind of moving some of those things along too. In particular things like the Newton family, who has the, the kid on the way.
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Andrew
Right.
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Craig
And some of the drama that comes along with that. The, the expansion. I was really struck by the expansion of the kind of tier C supporting cast of school characters.
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Andrew
Trevor Sandsborn. Craig. Have you ever heard a sexier name in your whole life?
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Craig
Sexier name. But just like all of a sudden we're spending scenes at the lunch table and there are lots of other kids involved and Alan's pranking.
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Andrew
Yeah. There's like, these kids are slowly starting to accrete, like personalities of their own so that when they come back in later books, we'll know who they are.
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Craig
Yeah. And that's kind of fun. And then she's also like, oh, what if there was a burglar on the news and everyone was worried about it?
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Andrew
I love the news in this book because it's almost like it almost always operates like news does on the tv, where you turn on the TV to see a story. The story is right there on the tv, ready to begin from the start of the narrative so the characters can watch what's happening.
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Craig
Well, and, and what? At one point, when they read the newspaper, it, it is a mix of like the Onion and a cartoon headline where it's like, there's a fire at the mall. There's a sale of Taylor's. Get your flu shot. Angry pig goes hog wild. Depressed trucker drive self crazy. There's a phantom phone call. Man, it was just steal your jewels.
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Andrew
Newsrooms were so much better staffed and there were so many more local papers back in the day. The thing is, it's not that there's.
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Craig
Less to cover these days. It's just we all have social media instead.
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Andrew
Well, and yeah, for better and worse.
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Craig
Mostly worse.
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Andrew
I don't think like individual trucker has mental health problems is probably like a front page story in today's reality.
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Craig
Also don't know what that story is.
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Andrew
Yeah, I don't know, man. There's another like made up media thing in this book that I really, really liked, which was Is it the witch novel?
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Craig
No, no.
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Andrew
Marianne needs to. She. So, okay, the big thing that's happening in this book is that all the babysitters become convinced that this phantom caller cat burglar, whose calling card, for some reason is just, like, call and then hang up on you a couple of times.
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Craig
Yeah.
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Andrew
And then he comes and takes all your jewels. They hear about this guy on the news, and they all decide, well, he's coming to Stony Brook, and every single house that we are in at any given time, he's coming for it.
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Craig
Yeah.
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Andrew
Yeah, it's great. So Marianne, at one point, like, she needs to set up some, like, Home Alone Rascals style, like, door traps so that if the phantom caller tries to break in, she'll hear the. She'll hear the noise or whatever, and then she can call the police or escape with her life or whatever it is that she feels like she wants to do. And one of the ways she rigs up a trap is she makes the door stop like the stopper on a door. Hit the play button on Christy's boombox. I love that Marianne is babysitting Christie's little brother. And the song that she selects to play when the door opens and the play button is hit is called Pounding down the Walls by the Slime Kings, which is not. I did look to see if that was a real song or a real band, and they were. As far as I can tell, they are not.
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Craig
I love it.
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Andrew
Unless they were super local, like, Connecticut indie band that does not survive on Spotify.
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Craig
Sounds like a band that Christy would like. But I just expect.
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Andrew
There are the bullies in that one Goosebumps book that we read that where part of how you knew they were bad was because they had T shirts with heavy metal bands featured on them. And I think if you're not going to use a real example, that it is just so brave to make up a song and a band that you think sounds cool enough for, like, tweens and teens to listen to.
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Craig
Yeah, I like the phrase pounding down the walls.
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Andrew
Pounding down the. And they mentioned the name of this song, like, multiple times. Pounding down the Walls by the Slime Kings.
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Craig
This book opens.
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Andrew
Love the Slime Kings.
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Craig
I want to. I want. Yeah. So like I think the, the overall feeling that I had sounds like we had a similar experience is like, yes, wow, this world is really opening up. There's a lot it is continuing which is fun. There's like stuff that's going to accrete as you said and there's also like room for extra stuff now that we have like put the basic players on the board. So it opens with Claudia's perspective and we get the pre Phantom caller plot introduced which is that Claudia is like a cool 90s kid who is smart but doesn't do well at school because she can't focus on homework because they don't ask about anything she cares about. She likes to read mysteries, she likes to do art, she likes to dress cool.
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Andrew
And she has some like ADHD coded yes. Behaviors that go along with her schooling thing.
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Craig
She hasn't done any homework for two months. She has just not done any homework. And so we open with a scene of her doing homework with the assistance of her grandma Mimi who is very nice to her and never judges her but is just very patient and supportive.
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Andrew
Mimi can deliver constructive feedback to Claudia without Claudia instantly being defensive about it. The way that her know it all sister Janine can can be whose IQ.
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Craig
Is 196 apparently, whatever that means.
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Andrew
That's canonical.
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Craig
And we got a couple of, you know, Mimi is counseling Claudia on her kind of rough sister relationship right now.
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Andrew
Where it's like listen, it's my other favorite band. It's the rough. The rough sister relationship.
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Craig
She's tough on you but you're also not like creating a lane by which you could be like vulnerable and connect with her. So just like think about it like yeah, might be hard but like you're going to put, you're going to need to put in some work. And she is then done her homework. She's going to read a book and she keeps getting distracted by Trevor Sanborn. Andrew.
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Andrew
Yeah. Because he's so dreamy and he has the sex name of any.
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Craig
He's the poet at School. They don't have any classes together. But Claudia is obsessed with him.
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Andrew
Yeah.
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Craig
So dreamy. But she.
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Andrew
She thinks that he doesn't know who she is and could never possibly give her the time of day.
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Craig
Yeah. For lacking anything else to do, the club gets together. They talk a little bit about the boys and how much Christy hates Alan Gray, the prank king of the world. This kid mostly just involves, like, stealing your homework and then saying mean stuff to the teacher about it.
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Andrew
The way that the boy stuff and the babysitting stuff is intersecting in this book. I really like the way chapter 10 starts. Boy trouble.
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Craig
Boy trouble.
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Andrew
So far, the babysitters club had managed to keep boys and boy trouble pretty much out of the meetings. But not on Monday, October 27th.
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Craig
So good. So funny. So this is the scene where they learn about all the news and they learn about the phantom caller in the newspaper. He's robbed six houses. He's moving our way. He calls you, doesn't say anything, and he's. Maybe he's even gonna steal your stuff if you're in the house. Who knows?
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Andrew
And he's what? He's like, he's one town over. He's very close.
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Craig
They call an emergency meeting where they come up with a code where. Andrew, have you found my red ribbon?
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Andrew
No, the blue one.
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Craig
Now I'm in for it. Found my red ribbon means that I think something bad's going on. Know the blue one means I understand you, now I'm in for it. Means the killer is here. Scream or that's okay. Means I'm fine.
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Andrew
They work out this, like, complex code of, like, cart. Like, cartoon FBI meetings or whatever.
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Craig
I love the scene where they're, like, none of them are bad. Yeah.
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Andrew
None of them can remember it. They all instantly identify a bunch of different problems with it, which is, like, they don't have code for, like, any useful information about that's really good about, like, what the person needs help with or, like, whether anyone's in danger.
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Craig
And it's fun. Like, Christy is the one who is, like, the stickler on it. And then later in the book when she gets scared, like, she completely forgets it, which is good. They also don't want to tell any of their parents about it because they don't want Marianne's dad to be like, there's a burglar loose. No babysitting.
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Andrew
Yeah, I'm locking you in the house, dear.
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Craig
They also start taking the, like, register of their activities to school every day. This is like, a big. They make a motion and pass it that this is their new policy.
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Andrew
Well, because they. Yeah, they all need to share their locations with each other and iPhones don't exist yet. So they start keeping all of this information along with contact info so that anybody who, you know, anytime the bat signal goes up.
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Craig
Yeah, yeah.
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Andrew
And somebody is asking about the red ribbon. The. The other girls know where to send help, so.
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Craig
And then we get some. Some time at school. We get Claudia daydreaming about Trevor. Claudia's going to wind up dealing with the fact that some people seem to know about her thing for Trevor.
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Andrew
Yes.
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Craig
And she doesn't know how.
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Andrew
She blames Christy initially. But then Christie is like, literally, why would I like. Yeah, I don't care enough about this to tell anybody.
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Craig
I had like a blip where I was like, this seems too early in the book for this to be an actual falling out scene. Like, this will not dominate the rest of the book. It's too early for that.
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Andrew
There are a couple of moments where something pierces through the fog of the girls imaginations.
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Craig
Yes.
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Andrew
But like this moment where Claudia kind of instantly realizes, oh, it doesn't actually make sense for Christy to have done this. I was just blaming her.
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Craig
Yep.
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Andrew
By default. And then there's another point. I don't remember if it's one of the other girls or one of the cops that shows up eventually, but somebody at some point is like, the phantom caller is going after houses of like people who actually have money and he's not trying to rob like single moms in suburban Connecticut. So you probably don't need to be that worried. But all the girls are worried that they are being precisely targeted by the phantom call.
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Craig
Huh. During school lunch, there is. This is where like the cast of characters is blowing up. We get introduced to briefcase kid Alexander Kurtzman, who carries a briefcase and wears a jacket and tie and lives to obey rules. We get Lauren Hoffman and the Shaber twins, who dress alike, which Claudia can't believe. We meet Dorian Wallingford. Another romantic name. Emily Bernstein, Howie Johnson, Pete Black, Rick Chow. I'm sure all these people will come back along the way. They're eating chicken divan. It's disgusting apparently. I was gonna look up what my mom used to make something that she called chicken divan, which was like a chicken, green beans and like a cream of mushroom soup casserole.
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Andrew
It's a casserole family. Okay, cool.
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Craig
I, as a picky eater as a kid, I loved it. Oh, really? Despite it being what if a bunch of foods were on top of each other? Which I could not handle on a regular basis.
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Andrew
That was my first thought looking at it, was that there's too much. There are too many places for things to hide for a picky eater to really get into chicken divan.
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Craig
And during this. Okay. There is a wonderful interaction, which is why I'm not skipping over this scene where Claudia is like, Dorian ignored the boys and they're making dessert sculptures or something. She nibbled at her chicken and looked tragic. She can be very dramatic sometimes.
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Andrew
Wow, that's very teenager.
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Craig
But of course, her grand grandpa got robbed up in New Hope, so that's why. But Claudia goes, not here. And then I think from there we go right into. Oh, there's gonna be a Halloween hop. That's like the drama with the boys. There's gonna be some.
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Andrew
There's a dance at the end of month. All. Nobody really has dates. Not everybody wants dates, but if they're gonna get dates, they need to get them in, like, the next week.
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Craig
Yeah. So then we get the. Without too much setup, we get kind of thrown right into the sequential babysitting chapters, which was a structure that made a lot more sense in the. Not that it doesn't make sense here.
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Andrew
But we had just been talking about their logbook, right?
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Craig
Yes, yes, yes, yes. But, like, in the first book, it was like, and now we're going to encounter the logbook. And here it's just like, no, this is a formula. This is how the book works.
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Andrew
Yeah. And it's the thing that really sent me for a loop in these babysitting chapters. And I don't know, we can talk about, like, the individual plot arcs if we need to. The broad strokes is that every girl becomes convinced that she has had a close brush with the phantom caller because someone is calling the houses they are at and hanging up as soon as.
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Craig
The girls pick the phone. If you'll notice, the girls who only get the girls who get calls are Claudia and Christy. Okay.
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Andrew
Okay. Yes. And then the other two just kind of. Just kind of create.
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Craig
Yes.
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Andrew
Horrible wonderland in their brains where they're convinced that the phantom caller is coming for them. Okay. Yes, you're right. You're right. Right.
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Craig
But, you know, like, we can. We can kind of breeze over Stacy and Marianne, I think, pretty quickly.
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Andrew
Like, Stacy talked about my favorite part about Marianne, which is the slime.
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Craig
Which is the slime. Yeah. Because, like, Stacy is with some family where, like, the. You know, she wants to watch MTV with a little kid and little kids. Like, well, my mom blocks MTV. And I was like, huh, interesting. For the 80s.
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Andrew
And they wait, why is it interesting?
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Craig
I just don't know. I don't think I knew that you could block, like, channel.
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Andrew
Yeah, I don't know what, what channel blocking technology was. Like, you probably had to like, piece.
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Craig
Of tape on the dial, like call.
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Andrew
Your cable company and talk to some guy for 15 minutes.
- [27:05]
Craig
Nightmare.
- [27:06]
Andrew
Every time you wanted to watch MTV.
- [27:08]
Craig
And then so that they're watching like a spooky old TV show and then the power goes out and they get scared by a dog. And like, that's. That's Stacy's chapter. Marianne is babysitting Christy's brother and as you said, like, sets up a whole bunch of traps, works herself up into getting scared again by a dog, setting off the traps. And then the adults set off a trap and they're like, you would be good at a security. Security system, Marianne. Hahaha.
- [27:33]
Andrew
But nobody's reaction is like, what is all this stuff doing down here?
- [27:38]
Craig
Well, because everyone's like, glued to the TV with the phantom caller. Like, they all know it's coming. But, like, the two that really matter, I think, are Claudia and Christy. Which one do you want to. Which one is the one that like, threw you for a loop? Because there is a structural thing that is weird.
- [27:58]
Andrew
The Christie one threw me for a loop because it is Christy. I think she is babysitting the kids who live next to Morbid of Destiny.
- [28:07]
Craig
Those are her pending. Her pending, like stepbrother and sister. Yes, because her pending stepfather's wife. Ex. Wife's ankle is broken, so they're over on time.
- [28:21]
Andrew
I remember they felt more like people in the first book because they were doing some emotional lynch pinning.
- [28:29]
Craig
They were.
- [28:29]
Andrew
No, you were for the Christie story. But here they're just kind of like, I don't know, generic babysitter's club moppets.
- [28:36]
Craig
Well, the girl has a thing where she's. The neighbor is a winning. Yes, that's the thing.
- [28:40]
Andrew
Yeah, yeah. But there's a moment where Christy. So, okay, Christy gets called and hung up on, and Christy freaks out. Christia calls Claudia.
- [28:52]
Craig
No, she gets another call.
- [28:53]
Andrew
Well, I mean, that's not. I'm. I'm getting to the part that throws me for a loop.
- [28:57]
Craig
Yeah, sure.
- [28:58]
Andrew
She calls Claudia and we're doing a weird thing where the book is Claudia's perspective, but the babysitting chapters are like the other characters perspectives, like filtered through the main perspective. So we're like fully in Christy's consciousness at this point. And then Claudia, she's talking to Claudia on the phone. Well, yeah, you're right. She gets the phone call, she doesn't know who it is, and then it turns out to be Claudia, which you.
- [29:24]
Craig
Learn from a parenthetical where Claudia says the caller was me.
- [29:31]
Andrew
And it's just like this weird. This weird way to, like, create narrative tension in what is essentially supposed to be like a mental summary of, like, somebody reading an entry in the Babysitter logbook.
- [29:45]
Craig
Yeah, it is really bizarre. You had mentioned it to me yesterday, and I hit the chapter this morning, and I was like, oh, that's really weird because it. It is already doing a thing that I thought was really, like, just kind of neat as a structure in the last book, which is like, the main character of the book is reading diary entries where these. Which this feels like this would take so much time, Andrew, if every time you, as a member of the Babysitters club, completed a babysitting assignment, you had to hand write into this shared notebook your entire experience.
- [30:24]
Andrew
We've talked a little bit about the Roberts rules of order as they concern the babysitter's club. And I think, yeah, like, maybe. I don't know. I like it as a thing for a. For a new babysitting business to do because they are bringing in new clients and they all need to, like, know what is up with those specific kids because jobs go to. Well, they're supposed to go to whoever is free.
- [30:49]
Craig
Yes.
- [30:50]
Andrew
Well, nobody got.
- [30:52]
Craig
Sometimes.
- [30:52]
Andrew
Yeah, nobody's got specific dibs on any. On any one family or job. But it doesn't, like, think about. By the time you get to Babysitter's club, book, like, 87, and you've got, like, in somebody's house. House, this gigantic room that is piled floor to ceiling with babysitter's club log entry. Yeah, it would get. Yes, it would get crowded fast.
- [31:18]
Craig
Well, and it is doing what it. The structure gives you is a way for the books to be about one girl each time. But you can get different snippets of babysitting to kind of mix it up and show what the other characters are going through. But it is a weird thing where you get italics in. In the. The different girl's perspective, then the narrator's voice, and then here. Yes, the narrator is part of the scene, which is not typically how it's supposed to go, and she's commenting on it, which is bizarre. Yeah, it's very funny, but that threw.
- [31:55]
Andrew
Me for a loop for sure. But yeah. Each of these chapters starts with a little, like, epistolary novel.
- [32:00]
Craig
Yes.
- [32:00]
Andrew
Like, dear Reader, I found that I found the story, and you won't believe it. It's very Frankenstein of them to begin.
- [32:07]
Craig
It is. It is. So. But Christy gets spooky calls and then also has to deal with the fact that the cat got out, that the neighbor found the cat. The little girl thinks the neighbor cast a freckle spell on her. And Christy rules out that the neighbor is a witch because the cat killed a mouse and left remains there. And the neighbor would not have mentioned it. She would have just used them for spells if she were a witch. Logic.
- [32:36]
Andrew
Sure. Yeah. No, it's. It's not bad. It just depends on what kind of magic system we're talking about.
- [32:41]
Craig
I know.
- [32:41]
Andrew
Morbid of Destiny just has magic points that replenish whenever she goes to sleep.
- [32:46]
Craig
Doesn't need components.
- [32:47]
Andrew
Yeah, then she doesn't need components.
- [32:48]
Craig
Yeah, she could be like a warlock or.
- [32:52]
Andrew
Or she could just have a wand and you just, like, say Latin sounding things and spells come out. That's how some people do it.
- [32:59]
Craig
The Claudia babysitting chapter. We spend more time with the Newton family. I did like this note on Mrs. Newton as an adult in Claudia's life. Like, Claudia and Christie both babysit for this family. Mrs. Newton, this is early in the book. Mrs. Newton is one of my favorite people in the whole world. She never asks me about school, but she always asks me about my art and tells me she likes what I'm wearing. Mm.
- [33:24]
Andrew
Just.
- [33:24]
Craig
It's a. You know, you don't know how to.
- [33:28]
Andrew
Relate to Claudia because she's. Yeah. The, like, art is a thing she really likes. She's working on, like, a still life of an egg or a still life of Mimi. And then, like, what's the.
- [33:39]
Craig
Well, no, a portrait of Mimi. Portrait of still life things, including an egg. Yes.
- [33:44]
Andrew
But she. She is clearly enjoying doing those a lot more than she is doing her MA Homework.
- [33:49]
Craig
Yes. Yes. Well, it's. It's just a nice note of just, like, recognizing that kids are people and, you know, you can relate to them in multiple ways, especially if you're trusting them to watch your child.
- [34:02]
Andrew
And Claudia. And Claudia has the whole. Like, you. You've encountered her stylishness through Christy, who is a little, like, I don't get it. And it kind of makes me feel excluded. But from Claudia's. Now that we're getting Claudia's perspective, it's like, I think clothes make a statement about the person wearing them, and I always want to make, like, a thoughtful statement.
- [34:22]
Craig
Yeah. Yeah. And that. That chapter is the first, actually, of the four babysitting chapters. And it's like, oh, there's a news story that the caller was headed south away from town, spotted, goes to New Jersey.
- [34:36]
Andrew
He's going to New Jersey.
- [34:37]
Craig
How did they spot him? What was he. Were jewels falling out of his pockets as he got into a car?
- [34:43]
Andrew
That's a great question. It's just like he passes by a police checkpoint, and the cops, like, that guy looks like he's calling people and hanging. He has a look of somebody who calls and hangs up all the time. I better tail him.
- [34:54]
Craig
And then during the next day, she's babysitting other kids, and there's a news story that's like, no, no, that was a copycat. The caller is at large, and she gets spooked. So then they all babysit, as we said. They all get progressively spooked. Then we get to the boy trouble chapter that Andrew alluded to earlier, where Alan Gray is giving Christie trouble. This, like, we kind of run down the whole crew here, though. Marianne does not have a boy that she is, like, interested in. Alan Gray is giving Christy trouble. We hear about her brother Sam going on a date with a high school girl. Poor Stacy. Sad Stacy.
- [35:35]
Andrew
Stacy takes it hard.
- [35:37]
Craig
And Chrissy's got that thing where she puts her foot in her mouth all the time. So she's like, like, inadvertently insulting people who, like, do cool things with their hair a Claudia, as well as, like, making Stacy sad. And, like, Marianne just gets sad when people are sad. So it's a really rough road. We do get this funny little anecdote again, is very.
- [35:56]
Andrew
Marianne is very baby.
- [35:58]
Craig
She's so baby.
- [35:59]
Andrew
She's. She's baby. And she's kind of, like, a little bit strong. Sad also. It's kind of the strong side of the group.
- [36:09]
Craig
He said with love. Yes, of course.
- [36:11]
Andrew
Yes. Right? Yeah.
- [36:13]
Craig
There is this whole little anecdote with the Newton family where, like, they think that they're going to have to babysit for them, but it's just because the little kid, like, called his dad at work and said, the baby's coming. You need to come home.
- [36:27]
Andrew
That. That was very funny.
- [36:28]
Craig
I like that. And he's like, well, yeah, the baby is coming in a few weeks. You're right. There is that, like, little moment in that where they're, like, talking about babies and, like, whether or not premature babies are, like, safe and whatever. And Marianne says that she doesn't really know anything about she was born because she doesn't have her mom and her dad doesn't talk about it. Yeah, I did like how Christy kind of saves that moment for them later where she's like, well, my mom would probably know, like, you. She's literally known you since you were born. Because we have grew. Grown up together. Like, there's just a couple moments where the girls take care of each other. That is very nice.
- [37:02]
Andrew
Yeah, it was. It was nice. Chrissy's got two modes, and one of them is. Has no idea what to say in a situation, and the other one is. Knows exactly what to say in this situation.
- [37:12]
Craig
She really swings very confident from the polls.
- [37:15]
Andrew
Yeah.
- [37:17]
Craig
And then the. The. The whole mystery gets leveled up. Andrew, what happens to Claudia's neighbors?
- [37:23]
Andrew
Claudia's old neighbors, by the phantom caller?
- [37:26]
Craig
They did.
- [37:26]
Andrew
Or somebody.
- [37:27]
Craig
Or somebody. They got called. They lost some jewels.
- [37:31]
Andrew
This is. I was surprised that it took that long for copycat thefts to come up, because it is truly the most replicable calling card that you could possibly choose.
- [37:44]
Craig
Oh, you call them and then you.
- [37:45]
Andrew
Steal their stuff and then you hang up and like, what?
- [37:51]
Craig
Oh, so Claudia spills jello on Trevor at school. That's the thing that happens. And also she's mortified. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
- [38:00]
Andrew
She thinks she's blown all her chance of. Of Trevor asking her to the Halloween hop.
- [38:05]
Craig
Yeah. Not only did she spill the jello, she left the plate, like, on him. So embarrassing. And because of the phantom caller, Marianne can't babysit, so they have to, like, pick up her slack.
- [38:18]
Andrew
Yep. And another. Another bit of the girls caring for each other is like, we know we gotta work through around your dad. Like, we're not gonna worry about your dues. We're just gonna take things as they come.
- [38:31]
Craig
You can still be in the club. We'll cover your dues. Just be the secretary. It's fine.
- [38:34]
Andrew
Yeah.
- [38:36]
Craig
And then we're at the kind of climactic.
- [38:37]
Andrew
And there is. There is already a lot of. Of administrative overheads associated with the babysitters club.
- [38:43]
Craig
We gotta buy these giant ledgers. They're at the Newton's house again. And I don't. I think this was. There was a reference to this in the first book. The. The Jamie Newton has cousins who are terrors. Yeah, I think they were the rowdy children.
- [38:59]
Andrew
They were either the rowdy kids from the first book or Anna Martin is just like, uses the same kind of markers for. For rowdiness. So that's what I'm responding to.
- [39:09]
Craig
Christy and Claudia are going to do this job together. Andrew, what did you think of Christie's big way to like, win them over initially before anything Bad happens to, like.
- [39:19]
Andrew
Whistle really loud and then threaten to kick all their butts.
- [39:21]
Craig
I'll punch your lights out.
- [39:23]
Andrew
She says, this is. Knows exactly what to say, Chris.
- [39:26]
Craig
That's true. You're right.
- [39:28]
Andrew
Gonna get them in line. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe they'll tell their parents that I physically threatened them, or maybe they won't. But this is what I think they're going to respond to and respect. And lo and behold, that is how it works.
- [39:41]
Craig
Yes. She does whistle loudly and carry a big stick.
- [39:44]
Andrew
And the rowdiest one is like, can you show me how to whistle?
- [39:47]
Craig
Can you show me how to whistle?
- [39:47]
Andrew
Whistling thing.
- [39:48]
Craig
I do think, okay, there is a real moment of working with kids that I did, like, in this scene where they're trying to transition them to the dinner table, and they're like, hey, you all gotta put away those crayons and come to the table. And the, like, the ringleader is like, well, I wasn't using the crayons. And they're like, well, that's great. You're free. Come set the table. And he's like, yeah, okay, you got me. Like, yeah, it's a really good little redirect that I like. Then the calls happen. Andrew, how does this all shake out?
- [40:15]
Andrew
Both of them get called and pick up and put the phone down. They get super spooked. They see a shadowy figure flitting past the window. And since this is coming, like, right on the heels of Claudia's neighbors getting robbed and them thinking that the. The phantom caller is in Stony Brook.
- [40:34]
Craig
Yep.
- [40:35]
Andrew
They decide they're going to call the police.
- [40:37]
Craig
Yeah.
- [40:38]
Andrew
And then the police come, and they are, you know, kindly figures as police exist in. In many TV shows and books. Yes.
- [40:48]
Craig
90S fiction featuring suburbia. Yeah.
- [40:51]
Andrew
And they have a. They've. They've nabbed a culprit. And it's. What's his name from school?
- [40:57]
Craig
Alan Gray.
- [40:58]
Andrew
Alan Gray, who's. Who's been teasing Christy this whole time. And it turns out that the phantom caller in this case was boys.
- [41:07]
Craig
Because he had access to the book.
- [41:09]
Andrew
Because he. Yeah. He got. Christie was carrying the book everywhere so that they would always be able to keep track of each other's locations. He swiped the book and read where they were all going to be every day. And then he would call the house Chrissy was gonna be at and hang up because he was trying to work up the nerve to ask her to the Halloween hop.
- [41:33]
Craig
This is playing out in front of cops.
- [41:35]
Andrew
Yep. And Claudia.
- [41:37]
Craig
And Claudia and the kids in the other room. Who are like, speak louder, please.
- [41:41]
Andrew
Yeah, speak louder so we don't miss anything.
- [41:44]
Craig
And he says this to her, and she says, yes right away.
- [41:47]
Andrew
Yeah. She's like, of course.
- [41:49]
Craig
Of course.
- [41:50]
Andrew
And I. They. Anna Martin had set the stage for this earlier by having Christy be, like, completely obsessed with this boy who she was. He was making her mad. But it was all just of the, like, boys tease you because they actually secretly like you variety.
- [42:10]
Craig
I did make a note.
- [42:11]
Andrew
He seems to have picked up on that on some, like, subconscious level.
- [42:14]
Craig
Yeah. There was a Christie monologue earlier in the book where she's like. And then he did this to me, and he did this to me, and he can't. He can't stop doing this to me. And I was like, okay, so he's making the calls. I was pretty clear because this book did not seem like it. Again, it was called the Phantom Phone Calls, not the Phantom Caller.
- [42:32]
Andrew
Yep.
- [42:32]
Craig
So I knew something was up. Yeah. So, yeah. So Christy has her boy awakening, and.
- [42:38]
Andrew
Then it turns out that the phantom caller who called Claudia also was boys.
- [42:42]
Craig
Was also boys.
- [42:44]
Andrew
And it was Trevor. Trevor Sanborn.
- [42:46]
Craig
Yeah. There is, like, a paragraph half where Claudia is like, what if it could have been boys who could have a crush on me?
- [42:56]
Andrew
And it ends up working out. It does, like, in the best possible way for her. The. The fantasy scenario she invents for herself, though. It's not like that daydream that she's having earlier in the book where they're on, like, a field trip, and then suddenly all the other everyone else in the class is gone.
- [43:13]
Craig
Israel. I really like that because it was just, like, so silly and, like, unlike anything that Christie would think of. Like, that was kind of neat to get a different. To get a daydreamer a little bit, you know?
- [43:24]
Andrew
Yeah.
- [43:25]
Craig
But no, she, like, has a good. You know, she has a good day at school where she, like, did really well on a test. And then while she's babysitting, Trevor calls and they, like, work it all out, and they're gonna go to the Halloween hop. He was getting his info from Alan, and now he feels bad about it because the cops got involved.
- [43:40]
Andrew
Yeah.
- [43:41]
Craig
Oh, we did skip over. There is, like. There was one scene earlier in the book where Mimi was like, yeah, how's things going with your sister? She's like. And there is a scene where Janine comes in, is like, hey, I saw that cop car leave the house. You were babysitting. Like, is everything cool?
- [43:58]
Andrew
Yeah. And Claudia's been making. Not always succeeding, but making an effort to not just shut Janine down all the time. And they both meet each other, like Claudia at a moment where she's like, ready to give Janine more of a chance than she usually does. I think Janine, in a moment of genuine concern where she's not thinking about how to correct Claudia's grammar or whatever, they have a nice bonding moment. They both share the revelation that they squirrel candy away in both of their rooms.
- [44:32]
Craig
Yeah.
- [44:32]
Andrew
Yeah. And they, yeah, they resolve. They're on a road to getting along a little bit better.
- [44:38]
Craig
Yeah, they resolve to maybe do this again sometimes. Which is kind of like the best way for this to end. Where you can, like, future books can still have plenty of conflict between them. But, like, they did have a moment where they said they would try, which is nice. The Halloween hop goes great. It ends with Claudia saying she has a new friend.
- [44:56]
Andrew
Nobody dresses in costumes.
- [44:58]
Craig
Nobody dresses in costumes.
- [45:00]
Andrew
I don't know if this, this gap still exists because, oh, yes, all the, all the, like, 38 year olds who we know, like, dress up for Halloween a lot of the time. But does that gap in between when you're a little kid and you love Halloween and when you're an adult and you love Halloween, where you think Halloween is like, mortifying and embarrassing and you wouldn't be caught dead in a costume, like, does that. Is that still a thing? I don't do kids still hit 14 and be like, oh, Halloween, that's for babies.
- [45:30]
Craig
That's a great question. I would love to know.
- [45:33]
Andrew
14 is just a number I picked out of the air. Like, don't read anything about my own personal experience.
- [45:39]
Craig
These are 13 year olds in the book. So, like, that makes sense. Yeah, I do. That was part of my experience growing up too. Where it's like, unless someone in high school is throwing a Halloween party or you are, like, that's getting into Halloween, like into high school party culture. Which is different from when you're in like seventh and eighth grade and you're trying to start your small business, like, babysitter club. And you're like, I'm an adult. I don't want to dress like a baby, as a ninja. Like, please, you can't make me me. And I don't want to help my little. Like, that's basically the plot of Hocus Pocus. Those are like high schoolers. But it is like, I don't want to deal with my little sister who is into Halloween, like, that kind of stuff. Yeah. I'll be interested to know unless there's like a tick tock Thing where it's like, I don't know, dress up as something, in which case all the kids are probably doing it.
- [46:33]
Andrew
Yeah. So I'm curious, like, the big difference between this and Goosebumps as a podcast, not the Goosebumps books, but Goosebumps, our long read project where we read Goosebumps books, is that there was always, you know, those were like anthology style. So there was always a hard reset at the, at the end of every book and you'd have a completely new scenario and a new, like nondescript 90s kids to deal with next time. Where in this series, like, it is still one offs. You still, you still do have the A story.
- [47:03]
Craig
Yeah, but you.
- [47:04]
Andrew
But back behind that, you have like the bedrock of the babysitting segments. And then also you have some kind of personal growth. So far, at least in the Christie and Claudia books, we also have some kind of like self. Self growth and maturing plot line. Yeah, yeah, that happens. And the. Yeah, the book is. The books are. It's an interesting thing to have to juggle to do the light, ongoing world building continuity, like with the kids in high school that we talked about, and then also to do individual character things and be a book about a club of babysitters all at once.
- [47:45]
Craig
Well, and you like, I will be interested to see. So like the next. Okay, so we should say that they do catch the burglar, the cops, and he never came to Stony Brook. The only ones in Stony Brook or near Stony Brook were copycats.
- [47:59]
Andrew
So we don't actually. We don't actually get a resolution to this. The story where Claudia's neighbors were robbed. Everybody's just like, it must have been a copycat.
- [48:07]
Craig
It was copycat. Whoops, sorry, your jewels are gone. But the, you know, next time we're gonna read Claudia. No, the Truth about Stacy. I'm kind of surprised we're getting Marianne fourth. But that is just the way that that is.
- [48:25]
Andrew
I feel like the both of the books we've read so far have used Marianne's dad as like a minor obstacle to be worked around.
- [48:32]
Craig
Oh, sure.
- [48:33]
Andrew
Maybe we just hold on to that one. The amount of time that she gets with that before we get to find out about his, like, interiority.
- [48:40]
Craig
Oh, you're right.
- [48:42]
Andrew
Yeah.
- [48:42]
Craig
And like Marianne, that one's called Marianne Saves the Day. So there, maybe there's a thing where like, like, you know, she proves to herself and her dad how capable she is. And the next one, the Truth about Stacy. Like, you know, one of the things that is reminded we're reminded of in this book is that she has been going back to New York City periodically, I think for medical treatments. Right. Or like some sort of testing. And so maybe we'll learn more about what she's doing on her own time. I don't know.
- [49:13]
Andrew
The truth about Stacy does sound like, like a YouTube video.
- [49:17]
Craig
Yeah. Six hours long, you know, and like.
- [49:22]
Andrew
Just like a big beardy guy with his mouth open as the thumbnail.
- [49:25]
Craig
And it's definitely about like forum drama that you didn't know a form you didn't even know existed. But now it's like pulling in all sorts of cultural threads so you feel like you have to watch it.
- [49:36]
Andrew
Mm. And then Stacy has to record an apology video that nobody buys.
- [49:41]
Craig
And then people are like, don't make her apologize, guys. No, wrong. God, I liked this book.
- [49:48]
Andrew
Yeah, no, I like. I like the book also. It just makes. I just got tired things.
- [49:52]
Craig
No, I know. YouTuber culture didn't want to talk about that anymore. No. And I think the, like, the, the boy stuff is interesting. Something that we'll probably encounter at the end of our series when we jump to book 90 is like, what are the vibes of this series that has reset? Like time. Multiple. Like, like they've gone to the same grade multiple years in a row. Because none of that is here. Like, we're getting a really good read here. We're going to read the first five books in a row. And so, like, everything we've been talking about, this episode of her moving character and plot threads along is like, really satisfying.
- [50:29]
Andrew
Yeah. I just like, if the gap between book one and book two is like about a month. Ish. And the series starts with them starting seventh grade and ends with them graduating from eighth grade. I just got to imagine that. Buy the late books. It's like, here's. Here's what happened to the babysitters in this 17 hour period of this one day.
- [50:50]
Craig
I think I didn't.
- [50:51]
Andrew
Didn't that 70s show have like time compression that went on at the end too? Like a season. There was like a. A season was a year early on, and then it was 1979 for like a while.
- [51:02]
Craig
I thought the trick with this series was that they like sometimes just go to the same grade again. Like the school year starts again.
- [51:09]
Andrew
Oh, really?
- [51:09]
Craig
But they haven't moved up. We'll find out.
- [51:12]
Andrew
That would be weird.
- [51:13]
Craig
That would be weird, wouldn't it? All right, well, that was Claudia and the phantom phone calls. As I said, next time we're going to talk about the. We're going to learn the truth about Stacy. Finally, we will uncover it. If you, the listener, have any thoughts about what traps you would set up up to to stop a burglar, send us an email overdupodmail.com we can't promise we won't use your ideas. Hit us up on social media. Overdue Pod, Blue sky and Instagram. Thanks to Nick Lauren just who composed our theme music. Andrew this is for I mean most folks will will be listening to this in real time. Our Patreon supporters. But what else do folks need to know about the show if they're finding this months or years hence and they.
- [52:00]
Andrew
Want to in a time capsule.
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Craig
Yeah.
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Andrew
If you found a bioshock tape recorder machine with this podcast overdue podcast.com is our Internet website. We have the schedule of books for the regular show up there. We also have a Patreon page which some of you will know about and some of you won't. Patreon.com overduepod get access to these episodes early and other things that are kind of in flux as we record this, but we'll hopefully be be worked out in public within the next couple of weeks. But yeah, you support the show, you buy us books and equipment and just make it possible to do it. So. Patreon.com overdue pod and what do we.
- [52:40]
Craig
Say at the end of every episode of Sit Me Baby One More Time.
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Andrew
Pounding down the Walls by the Slime K. That was a headgum podcast.
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Craig
There you go.
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