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Peaceful Exit
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We live in a culture that avoids death and Peaceful Exit is an invitation to be in candid conversation about it. Writer and host Sarah Cavanaugh believes talking about death will work to dispel our natural fear and build courage in the face of death. She’s talking to authors who have written extensively on the topic to help us normalize death as part of the human experience, no matter who you are, no matter your politics, spiritual faith or socioeconomic status. Peaceful Exit explores how to radically accept our eventual demise, how to talk about it and even plan for it. But it’s not all doom and gloom – there's joy, meaning and connection to be found in exploring the messiness of death, dying and grief.
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Death in the Digital Age with Dr. Elaine Kasket
1w ago00:29:04Tap to summarizePsychologist and author Dr. Elaine Kasket is an expert in what's known as the digital afterlife, and in this episode she tells Sarah about the complex intersection of technology, identity, and grief. Elaine covers topics most of us have never even thought about: the rise of grief bots and AI resurrections, as well as the practical challenges of managing our digital footprints after we die. Elaine also explains how technology can shape a legacy, as well as what it truly means to stay human in the digital age.For more information about Elaine's work and her books, please visit her website.
Transcribe →Science and Soul with Dr. Jessica Zitter and Chaplain Betty Clark
3w ago00:33:30Tap to summarizeDr. Jessica Zitter and Chaplain Betty Clark have spent over a decade caring for patients together at Highland Hospital in Oakland, California, where Dr. Zitter is a critical and palliative care physician and Betty is the chaplain. Their partnership is at the heart of the documentary, "The Chaplain & The Doctor," and in this episode they tell Sarah what it means to treat the body and the spirit. Betty explains why she doesn't walk into a room because someone is dying, but because they are still living, while Jessica reflects on how Betty has changed the way she doctors. They also talk about generational trauma, decoding empathy, and how science can make room for the soul.For more information about the film and Jessica and Betty's work together, you can visit The Chaplain & The Doctor
Transcribe →Keep Your Grief Moving with Cole Imperi
Jul 700:34:40Tap to summarizeThanatologist, horticulturalist, and author Cole Imperi studies death, dying, grief, loss and bereavement. She says we don't have a taboo around death in our culture - but around grief. In this episode, she and Sarah dive into Cole's pioneered concept of "shadow loss," and they break down the six distinct categories where grief manifests, which she also outlines in her book "A Guide to Grief," for teens and tweens. Cole provides a beautiful blueprint for keeping your grief moving, explains why words can act as medicine, and describes how embracing the grieving process can ultimately guide you back home.For more information about Cole's work and her books, please visit her website.
Transcribe →In Lieu of Flowers with Nancy Howard Cobb
Jun 2300:30:19Tap to summarizeWhen Nancy Howard Cobb wrote "In Lieu of Flowers: A Conversation for the Living" in the year 2000, she was ahead of her time. Little did she know that the cultural appetite for stories about mortality would only continue to grow, and that her book would be republished more than two decades later. In this interview, Nancy explores the deaths of her parents, the loss of a close friend, and the shattering discovery of a marriage built on lies. She also tells Sarah why telling our stories of death and grief may be one of the most vital things we can do.
Transcribe →Dying Empty with Darnell Lamont Walker
Jun 900:31:03Tap to summarizeDeath doula Darnell Lamont Walker, author of "Never Can Say Goodbye: The Life of a Death Doula and the Art of a Peaceful End," came to this work young. At just 12 years old, he sat with his dying cousin during the AIDS crisis. At 13, he helped classmates grieve the death of a friend. Darnell shares with Sarah how his grandma's fearless, open-hearted approach to death shaped those early experiences and everything that followed. He explains why grief doesn't have just one face: it can look like starting a garden, running a marathon, laughing hysterically, or crying at a red light. Darnell and Sarah also discuss their shared belief that adventure and creativity can be the ultimate antidotes to despair. For more information on Darnell and his work, please visit his website: https://www.darnellwalker.com/
Transcribe →How to Survive the End of the World with Anne Lamott
May 2600:35:26Tap to summarizeAnne Lamott is known for her piercing honesty, her humor, and her willingness to go to the hard places. She's the New York Times bestselling author of books like "Bird by Bird" and "Traveling Mercies," and she is, appropriately, so many people's favorite writer. In this conversation with Sarah, Anne explores the terrain that has defined so much of her life and writing: loss, grief, faith, and grace. She shares what she's learned from sitting with dying people, including her father and her best friend, and why she's well attuned to find hope - even in the darkest times.For more of Anne's delicious writing, check out her substack: Hallelujah Anyway
Transcribe →Briefly Perfectly Human with Alua Arthur (Replay)
May 1200:36:13Tap to summarizeAlua Arthur is a death doula and a New York Times bestselling author, most recently for her book "Briefly Perfectly Human." In this episode from 2024, Alua shares with Sarah what it was like fleeing Ghana as a child, and how she found her calling in an unexpected conversation on a bus. They also discuss the transformative nature of confronting mortality, why it's important to set boundaries in grief, and how to address people's natural fears during the dying process.For more information about Alua's work, please visit www.aluaarthur.com, and follow her on social media @alualoveslife.
Transcribe →What Does a Peaceful Exit Mean to You?
Apr 2800:13:52Tap to summarizeAt the end of every episode of Peaceful Exit, Sarah asks her guests the same question: what does a peaceful exit mean to you? There have been many overlapping themes in people's responses, but so far no two replies have been exactly the same. In this compilation episode, we revisit the answers from our amazing season 6 guests: Dr. BJ Miller; Dr. Lucy Hone; Lisa Keefauver; Mary Roach; Jenny George; Kaleel Sakakeeny; Jessica Correnti; Carla Fernandez; Suzanne O'Brien; James Crews; and Dr. Deborah Kado. If you've ever considered how you might answer this question - what does a peaceful exit mean to you - please share your response with us! You can send an email to peacefulexitpodcast@gmail.com.
Transcribe →Living to 100 with Dr. Deborah Kado
Apr 1400:35:28Tap to summarizeAs co-director of the Stanford Center on Longevity at Stanford University, geriatrician Dr. Deborah Kado helps patients live not just longer, but better. In this thoughtful interview, she shares what her earliest patients taught her about the end of life, and what any of us can do - starting now - to age with dignity and purpose. Dr. Kado also explains why, despite what you might think, older people are some of the happiest folks around, and why a baby born today could reasonably expect to live to 100 years old.For more information on Dr. Kado's work and the Stanford Center on Longevity, please visit https://longevity.stanford.edu/
Transcribe →Turning Toward Grief with James Crews
Mar 3100:35:54Tap to summarizePoet James Crews lost his father when he was just 20 years old, and then, decades later, his mother and both grandmothers died in the same year. In this episode, he talks to Sarah about the different experiences he had with grief across these major losses, and how they've inspired his work, including a number of poems in his latest collection, "Turning Toward Grief." James also explains why even messy, imperfect writing can help carry us forward when we’re grieving. He invites us to ponder two questions in this interview: what do we lose when we turn away from grief, and what do we gain when we lean in?For more about James's work, please visit his website: https://www.jamescrews.net/
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