Are you actually treating the right thing… or just what’s obvious?

Because those are very different.

And if you’re missing the real driver of your patient’s symptoms…

No amount of exercises, techniques, or experience is going to fix it.

In this episode, Nicole sits down with athletic trainer and educator Anna Hartman to dive into a completely different way of thinking about assessment, treatment, and what it really means to be an effective clinician.

Anna brings a unique blend of:

Orthopedic rehab
Osteopathic and visceral approaches
High-level work with professional athletes and Navy SEAL candidates

And the result is a perspective that challenges a lot of what we’ve been taught.

We cover:

Why assessment—not treatment—is the most important skill you have
The difference between treating symptoms vs finding the true driver
Why “results in 1–3 visits” isn’t about shortcuts—it’s about precision
How ego gets in the way of clinical progress (more than you think)
What it actually means to “trust what you feel” as a clinician
Why repetition—not information—is the key to real skill development

This conversation will push you.

It might even make you a little uncomfortable.

But if you’re willing to question your assumptions and level up your clinical thinking…

There’s a lot here.

Anna Hartman

A huge 'thank you' to Anna for being on the podcast and sharing her wisdom with all of us. Make sure you're following her @movementrev and find all her courses and resources at www.movementrev.com

If you’re looking to become more confident in your assessment, communication, and clinical reasoning…

Our Clinical Courses are designed to help you bridge the gap between what you know and what you actually do in the clinic.

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Beyond the Obvious: An Interview with Anna Hartman