What happens when AI makes intelligence essentially free — and unlimited energy plus humanoid robots make physical labour free too? The economic models we've built our entire civilisation on stop working.

In this episode I sit down with Cern Basher — a CFA charterholder, CIO of Brilliant Advice, and one of the sharpest minds at the intersection of AI, Bitcoin, and macroeconomics. Originally from New Zealand, Cern has built a massive following for his work connecting the dots between exponential technology and the future of money.

We go deep on his thesis that AI and Bitcoin are two sides of the same coin — AI collapses the cost of intelligence (deflationary), and Bitcoin provides a monetary system that can't be inflated away. We explore Jason Lowery's Softwar thesis (which the US Department of Defence placed under security review), why AI agents will naturally adopt Bitcoin for autonomous transactions, and Cern's provocative argument that infinite output multiplied by zero price equals zero GDP — making our most fundamental economic metric meaningless.

If you've ever wondered what the economy actually looks like when abundance replaces scarcity, this is the conversation.

In this episode we discuss:

Why AI and Bitcoin are "two sides of the same coin"
Jason Lowery's Softwar thesis and why the DoD took notice
How AI is already contributing more to US GDP growth than consumer spending
Why AI agents need Bitcoin — permissionless, no KYC, no intermediaries
Cern's "death of GDP" thesis — infinite supply × zero price = zero GDP
The dematerialisation of physical products (cameras, maps, books, money)
What this means for New Zealand and small economies
How abundance economics breaks traditional supply and demand

Links mentioned: Cern Basher on X: https://x.com/CernBasher Brilliant Advice: https://www.brilliantadvice.net Cern's GDP post: https://x.com/CernBasher/status/1913993658572984440 Jason Lowery's Softwar thesis: https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/153030

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