Transcript
Dr. Liza Pressman (0:04)
I just had such a fascinating conversation with Professor Leslie John from Harvard Business School, who wrote a book called Revealing, and she's a behavioral science researcher, and she explores how strategic vulnerability and sharing personal information actually can lead to deeper relationships and professional success. And today, we translated that conversation into adaptive revealing for young people. We talked about even as early as 4 and 5 years old, like, how can you slowly help build this incredibly powerful skill in your kids? How do you teach disclosure and emotional literacy? Being a good revealer is so highly linked with emotional literacy and connection and relationships and even good relationships with teachers. Like, we went all the way through high school when we're trying to figure out, like, how an adolescent can navigate that sort of tricky experience of disclosing but not too much, and vulnerability but not too much, and transparency but not too much, and how for some people, it's just a harder skill than for others. So we're talking about all of this and more. It's Dr. Liza Pressman, and this is Raising Good Humans podcast. I want to hear about your research in the context of the larger body of work that you do. And then I want to talk about if you're raising kids and, like, let's say your kid struggles with exposing themselves, disclosing, connecting. I feel like your research could translate really well into how parents could kind of bolster those skills out of the gate. Yeah. So maybe broadly talk about your work, and then we can, like, translate it to parents. And also, it's not that this isn't highly important for connecting and having relationships in adults. You know, like, we need that too, as parents. But I kind of feel like a lot of people reach out to me worried about helping their kids understand the balance of disclosure and vulnerability and connection and just, like, feeling bad about sharing and all of those things.
Professor Leslie John (2:33)
Like, the kids feel bad.
Dr. Liza Pressman (2:35)
Yeah. Like, kids who just don't have that skill. It's a real skill.
Professor Leslie John (2:40)
Yeah, it is a skill. We were never taught it.
Dr. Liza Pressman (2:43)
Yeah. You know, people talk about it all the time or ask about it, and I actually haven't seen research the way you do it, so I thought, I know it's like a little of a departure to translate it in areas where you haven't looked at it, but I think it's probably quite translatable.
Professor Leslie John (2:59)
This is awesome. I love it. And this is where it's a perfect match. Cause your expertise, you can put boundaries on what I'm saying and ask the questions and describe and. Yeah, this is amazing. Let's do it. Yeah. So I wrote this book because I started realizing that we are obsessed with tmi. Too much information, oversharing. And that's real. It's a real problem. But there's another problem that I increasingly have been thinking and finding it to be even more problematic. And that is under sharing T L I too little information. We didn't even have a word for it. But I've dignified it with a word now because it really is a problem. We suffer a lot when we don't share enough. And the more I learned and the more I practiced revealing, the more I realized that even I card carrying oversharer, I identify as an overshare. Even I was holding back on the really important stuff. For me, the way it played out was I realized that my brand, so to speak of oversharing was like saying kind of self deprecating funny stories about myself, which I still greatly enjoy. But that felt like almost like performative, right?
