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Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology podcast. Today's episode is a quick little bite all about bird flu. This felt really important to get out there because I know everyone has a lot of questions. There's a lot of concern, there's a lot of fear around bird flu right now. Can we eat the eggs? Can we eat the chicken? What's going on? Why are our eggs so costly right now? So I sat down with Dr. Peter McCullough and we answered all of your burning questions about bird flu. So you're not going to want to miss it. Please stay tuned to the very, very end. We have a code for want to get any of the supplements that his company sells that can help against things like bird flu like Covid viruses and illnesses. Please stay tuned to the very, very end because we have a code, a discount code for you where you can save some money on the supplements. And also stay tuned because I also sat down with Dr. Peter McCullough to talk all about COVID the vaccines and spike proteins, everything you need to know to protect yourself and protect your family. So stay tuned for that. Thank you so much for listening, as always. If you want to take a moment to rate and review the podcast, it means so much to me. It really helps the show. And if you're loving this episode and you want to tag me on Instagram, tag me reelfoodology. Thanks. I hope you love the episode. Bird flu is making headlines again. Are we looking at another overblown pandemic or is this one real?
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Well, clearly it's been, I think, hyped and a lot of people are really, you know, by the way, when I post something on bird flu on Twitter, oh my gosh, the vitriol I get in the replies, really? Oh, you're fear mongering. You're a lousy guy. And just something about bird flu just angers people.
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And I, I think it's because people feel like we're about to get duped.
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Again like we did with COVID Yes, they sense it. And you know, bird flu has been around for over 100 years. A review by Lysette from the UK has demonstrated this. Around 2005, we started this disastrous biosecurity protocol. And what I mean by that, bird flu is avian influenza, so it's flu for birds. What I mean by that is, is previously, before 2005, if bird flu swept in, the farmers would, would get rid of the chickens who were sick or died. And then the ones that were strong enough and healthy enough, they would survive and go to market, lay eggs, that's fine. 2005 said, no, let's eradicate them all. Let's kill all the birds. And that way we can eradicate bird flu and shut down the facility, sterilize it, clean everything out, and then repopulate them with birds. Well, it doesn't work with bird flu because the current strain is spread by migratory waterfowl, by mail or ducks. So they constantly reinfect the farms.
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Oh, wow.
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What our government said is, listen, if you have to wipe out your whole flock, we'll give you a government check. So the farmers aren't complaining. So they would get a government check. They would go through this process, repopulate, and then they get reinfected again. They kill all the birds. It's called culling. They get another government check, and the price of eggs has gone up and up and up. And then. So when they sold their eggs at the market, it was at a much higher price point, so they made a higher profit. So it's called perverse incentive. So you don't hear farmers complaining about bird flu, but yet people were complaining at the store. With the price of eggs, which hit like a 45 year high, it was due to unnecessary culling. So I went to the Arkansas bird flu summit last fall. The estimates were only about 10,000 chickens had really died of bird flu, yet 200 million were killed through this intentional culling process.
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Oh, it's heartbreaking. I've seen some of the videos.
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Oh, terrible. And when the birds are flapping around, that's when the workers got bird flu in their eyes. They got conjunctivitis. So the culling was completely counterproductive. It was risky to the workers. And so the messaging that we've had out there is the USDA biosecurity policy is flawed. It needs to be stopped immediately. Just let the animals get natural immunity. Call out the ones that get sick. Let's go back to, you know, 2,000 methods and that would be fine. Let's protect the workers. We know that iodine based nasal sprays, throat sprays, gargles, there's even papers written about homemade iodine saline eye drops. I can tolerate, by the way, pretty high concentrations of iodine. That's perfectly fine. We should have ulcetamivir or Tamiflu on hand if started on day one. Now, in the garg analysis during the Journal of medicine, January of 2025, all the human burfu cases did fine, provided they got Tamiflu on day one. They did fine, no problems. Now what's happened is a Serious variant has occurred. D1. One variant of the current clade. Now, there's been a girl who didn't get Tamiflu, didn't use the iodine drops. She gets really sick and gets put on the ventilator in British Columbia. Teenage girl, she almost goes on ecmo and goes on ecmo, nearly dies, survives. A man in Louisiana, has birds in his backyard. Again, no iodine, nasal sprays and gargles. No Tamiflu. He dies. And now we've had a toddler in Cambodia and a man in Cambodia. So I'm telling you, at the Wellness Company, TWC Health, check out our program called the Prevent and Protect program. There we're just offering the farmers free, free supplies, free nasal sprays, gargles our bird flu kit, which contains also temavir secondary antibiotics. We are not going to allow any deaths in our poultry and farm workers, only about 150,000 of them. I think our government here is. Our government essentially has made bird flu a problem when it shouldn't be a problem. And at Wellness Company, we're stepping in to particularly protect human lives right now. And hopefully, new administration and the usda, our Secretary Brooke Rollins and HHS Secretary Kennedy, can get the message and get our bird flu biosecurity program on track.
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Yeah, well, this reminds me exactly of what happened during COVID which is what we talked about earlier. Instead of getting these protocols out to people early that can prevent hospitalization, we're not even talking about it. And then there's been some conversation about vaccines. I don't know where we are with that.
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You know, animal vaccines have failed. They've tried them in China and Southeast Asia, vaccinating the birds. Now there are companies with vaccines for cows and birds. It's gonna be a disaster. It's gonna make the virus stronger. The virus literally will figure this out and get stronger. And then vaccinating humans looks, frankly, dangerous. We have a bird flu vaccine, the csls Aquarius vaccine. Normal human volunteers died with that vaccine in the studies. I would never take it. Never tell a patient to take that bird flu vaccine. Moderna. We invested 590 million, more than half a billion dollars in Moderna. That's a pure waste of government money. Our money. We should not be investing in any company. If they want to make their own products, that's their choice. But instead, Moderna's been juiced to make a messenger RNA bird flu vaccine imminently more dangerous. And then the Gates foundation and cepi, Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovation they are coming up with a self replicating messenger rna human bird flu vaccine.
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That's terrifying.
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So I can tell you right now, bird flu vaccines, we're seeing this coming right now for both animals and humans, are not the solution. Natural immunity is the solution. So let the animals develop this hardiness, this fitness. Let's stop the madness of killing the chickens and the vaccines. I would vote let's halt development on them.
A
I saw recently and I need to go back and double check on this, but I think Brooke Rollins was quoted saying that they're actually not gonna vaccinate the birds. I know that there was a conversation about and then I don't know if Kennedy had a conversation with her, whoever it was, but there was a recent announcement that as of right now, they're not going to. And I think it's because of what you just said. Somebody must have gotten to her and said, look, if we do this, it's a really bad idea because is there a concern or even just vaccinations aside, is there a concern that humans could get bird flu just from eating chickens or eating eggs from the chickens that have it?
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No. If we cook to over 165 degrees, you're going to kill any bird flu organism. The avian influenza organism, two strains, by the way, H5N1 and now a new strain in Louisiana, H7N9. Interestingly, you'd probably also denature any genetic vaccine or protein. If we cook the birds now, where's the risk here? The risk is actually in. Remember, bird flu is in mammals. It's in 40 different mammalian species and spreading mammal to mammal. It means it's in dairy cows. The risk here is raw milk. So the virus will come out in raw milk. Almost certainly the vaccines will come out in raw milk. And I can tell you personally, I wouldn't pick up a glass of raw milk right now.
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Okay, that's really good advice because it's a very popular drink right now. So maybe we stay away from that until this is all cleaned up. As promised, I have a code to share with you. If you go to TWC Health and use Code Real Foodology, you are going to save 10% on any of the supplements that we talked about today. Again, that's Code Real Foodology at checkout. Thank you so much for listening to the Real Foodology podcast. This is a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson and mixed by Mike Fry. Theme song is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify app or on YouTube. As always, you can leave us a voicemail by clicking the link in our bio. And if you like this episode, please rate and review on your podcast app. For more shows by my team, go to wellnessloud.com see you next time. The content of this show is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for individual medical and mental health advice and doesn't constitute a provider patient relationship. I am a nutritionist, but I am not your nutritionist. As always, talk to your doctor or your health team first.
Episode Title: Can We Eat The Chicken? Urgent Bird Flu Updates & What You Need To Know | Peter McCollough
Host: Courtney Swan
Guest: Dr. Peter McCollough
Release Date: March 27, 2025
Produced By: Wellness Loud
In this episode of Realfoodology, host Courtney Swan addresses the resurgence of bird flu, a topic stirring widespread concern and debate. Recognizing the anxiety among listeners regarding the safety of consuming eggs and chicken, Swan invites Dr. Peter McCollough, a renowned physician and health expert, to shed light on the current bird flu situation, government responses, and practical measures to protect both farmers and the general public.
Courtney Swan (00:00):
"Bird flu is making headlines again. Are we looking at another overblown pandemic or is this one real?"
Dr. McCollough responds by acknowledging the polarized reactions surrounding bird flu, drawing parallels to the COVID-19 pandemic's public reception.
Dr. Peter McCollough (01:24):
"Well, clearly it's been, I think, hyped... something about bird flu just angers people."
He highlights the skepticism many feel, fearing another misinformation-driven crisis akin to COVID-19.
Dr. McCollough delves into the biosecurity measures implemented since 2005, which have significantly impacted the poultry industry.
Dr. McCollough (01:45):
"Bird flu has been around for over 100 years. Around 2005, we started this disastrous biosecurity protocol."
He explains that the policy shifted from selectively culling infected birds to eradicating entire flocks upon detection of bird flu. This approach, intended to contain the virus, has inadvertently led to massive bird deaths due to reinfection from migratory waterfowl.
Dr. McCollough (02:45):
"What our government said is, listen, if you have to wipe out your whole flock, we'll give you a government check... So they kill all the birds. It's called culling."
The mandatory culling policy has not only devastated poultry populations but also disrupted egg supply chains, leading to soaring egg prices.
Dr. McCollough (03:33):
"When they sold their eggs at the market, it was at a much higher price point... So it's called perverse incentive."
Despite the increase in egg prices, farmers remain silent, benefiting financially from the higher market rates, while consumers bear the brunt of inflated costs.
Addressing the health implications, Dr. McCollough emphasizes the importance of early intervention in bird flu cases.
Dr. McCollough (04:50):
"There's such a high concentration of iodine... We should have oseltamivir or Tamiflu on hand if started on day one."
He advocates for the use of iodine-based nasal sprays, throat gargles, and antiviral medications like Tamiflu to mitigate severe outcomes. Citing recent cases, he underscores the consequences of neglecting these preventive measures.
Dr. McCollough (05:50):
"At Wellness Company, we're stepping in to particularly protect human lives right now. And hopefully, new administration and the USDA... can get our bird flu biosecurity program on track."
A significant portion of the discussion critiques the reliance on vaccines for both animals and humans as ineffective and potentially harmful.
Dr. McCollough (06:06):
"Animal vaccines have failed... vaccinating humans looks, frankly, dangerous."
He expresses skepticism towards the development of bird flu vaccines, particularly those utilizing messenger RNA technology, highlighting adverse reactions in trials and questioning their efficacy and safety.
Dr. McCollough (07:01):
"Bird flu vaccines... are not the solution. Natural immunity is the solution."
He advocates for allowing natural immunity to develop in both birds and humans, arguing that vaccines may exacerbate the virus's evolution rather than control it.
In response to concerns about consuming poultry and eggs, Dr. McCollough provides clear guidance on food safety.
Dr. McCollough (07:59):
"If we cook to over 165 degrees, you're going to kill any bird flu organism."
He reassures listeners that properly cooked poultry and eggs are safe to eat, emphasizing that thorough cooking denatures the virus. Additionally, he warns against raw milk consumption due to the risk of transmission through dairy cows.
Dr. McCollough (08:46):
"The risk here is raw milk. So the virus will come out in raw milk... I wouldn't pick up a glass of raw milk right now."
Towards the end of the episode, Courtney Swan shares resources for listeners seeking to bolster their defenses against bird flu and other illnesses.
Courtney Swan (08:46):
"If you go to TWC Health and use Code Real Foodology, you are going to save 10% on any of the supplements that we talked about today."
She promotes the Prevent and Protect program by Wellness Company (TWC Health), which offers supplements and kits designed to help farmers and individuals safeguard their health against bird flu and similar viruses.
The episode concludes with a strong call to action for listeners to prioritize natural immunity, advocate for revised biosecurity policies, and adopt practical measures to protect their health and their food sources. Dr. McCollough and Courtney Swan reiterate the importance of informed decision-making amidst ongoing health crises.
Courtney Swan (09:30):
"For more shows by my team, go to wellnessloud.com see you next time."
Dr. Peter McCollough (01:24):
"Clearly it's been, I think, hyped... something about bird flu just angers people."
Dr. Peter McCollough (02:45):
"They kill all the birds. It's called culling."
Dr. Peter McCollough (03:33):
"It's called perverse incentive."
Dr. Peter McCollough (06:06):
"Animal vaccines have failed... vaccinating humans looks, frankly, dangerous."
Dr. Peter McCollough (07:01):
"Bird flu vaccines... are not the solution. Natural immunity is the solution."
Dr. Peter McCollough (07:59):
"If we cook to over 165 degrees, you're going to kill any bird flu organism."
This episode of Realfoodology provides a comprehensive analysis of the bird flu crisis, critiquing current government policies, highlighting the economic and health impacts, and advocating for natural immunity and practical protective measures. Dr. Peter McCollough's insights offer listeners a grounded perspective on navigating the complexities of avian influenza in today's society.