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“Vaccine Safety Studies Don’t Exist” - The Myth of Safe & Effective | Del Bigtree
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On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast.
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What I think this film really shows is they have no science. And when you do science, all you see is we have made a catastrophic error with these products. Of all the things that we should have done blindly, this was not it.
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Welcome back to the Real Foodology Podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan and today I am joined by Del Bigtree, Emmy award winning journalist and producer of the groundbreaking new documentary An Inconvenient Study. The film investigates an unpublished vaccinated versus unvaccinated study conducted by the Henry Ford Health System and the shocking reasons it was never released. We dive into how safe and effective became the unquestioned mantra of modern medicine. The lack of true placebo controlled vaccine studies, and what this means for the rise in chronic illness among children today. This conversation is a powerful call for scientific transparency, informed consent and honest debate in public health. Really hope that you love this episode. Please go and watch the film afterwards too. It's free. It will blow your mind. Send it to everyone you know, especially your friends that have kids, parents, everybody needs to see this film. I'm so grateful to Dell for coming on today and also for sharing the information that he has because it's, I mean, it's pretty mind blowing. So as always, if you could rate and review the podcast, give a five star review. It means so much to me and it really, really does help the show. Thank you so much for listening. Do you ever just feel bloated, sluggish or just off? Even when you eat healthy, your body might not break down food properly. You eat the nutrients, but sometimes you may not be absorbing them. This is where mass Zymes comes in. It's packed with 18 powerful enzymes in one science backed formula. It really helps to unlock protein to release vital amino acids, which are the building blocks your body needs to recover, repair and also create energy. It breaks down carbs, fat and fiber so you feel light and energized instead of weighed down. You can trust Bioptimizer's science backed formulas because They've conducted over 4,000 lab tests for quality and potency, all backed by a 365 day guarantee. And you know you can always get 15% off with my promo code, Real Foodology. But if you were listening to this on the week between November 23rd and December 3rd, you can get 25% off plus gifts with purchase on orders above 250. It's the biggest offer of the year. Don't wait, just go to bioptimizers.com real foodology, your digestion and your energy will thank you. I started taking something last year that was really helping me out with my workout. So if you guys have been listening for a while, you know that one of the things that I have really been working on is doing more strength training, doing more heavy lifting and resistance training because it's so good for your health. And what I started taking is something called Mitopure and it actually helps me feel stronger in my workouts. I feel like I recover quicker, I don't get as sore. And Mitopure is the only Urolithin, a supplement on the market clinically proven to target the effects of age related cellular decline. With regular use, you'll see and feel the difference in the form of improved energy levels, better workouts, faster recovery and more endurance. Mitopure is shown to deliver double digit increases in muscle strength and endurance without a change in exercise. That's crazy. This is your year to be your best, most energized and most revitalized you. It promotes cellular renewal and mitochondri mitochondrial health. To address common signs of aging. At the root, timeline is offering 10% off of Mitopure. This is hands down my favorite supplement that I've found in the last couple years. So make sure you go to timeline.com realfoodology that's T-I-M-E-L-I-N-E.com real foodology. Well, Del, we have to get directly into this. I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you so much for coming back on. I recently just watched your new documentary, which is what we're going to be talking about today. And, and I immediately texted you, I was like, I have to get you back on this podcast because this, what you discovered and revealed in the documentary is mind blowing. And I just also want to say I want to honor you. I'm so grateful that you're doing this work. I know that you didn't mean maybe necessarily to get into it and I know how hard it is to reveal all of this because there's a lot of pushback and there's a lot of people that want to discredit you and ruin your reputation, but you really are doing amazing work and you are helping so many parents navigate a really, really hard situation right now.
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Well, first of all, I just want to thank you for having me. I was just saying to you before we started, you know, for the last nearly 10 years now, I've been on this issue of bringing transparency to this vaccine conversation, but there was A group of people it's hard to get to. Right. Young mothers and that were about to make this decision with their children. And so you've been, you know, you and several other podcasters, Alex Clark has just been amazing at reaching an audience that is the most important audience there is. And so it took a risk for you to do that, just as it is for any of us to get into this conversation. This is a conversation that has been absolutely controlled by the most powerful industry in the world, the pharmaceutical industry. But I'll say it hasn't been. I mean, if you're a journalist or a reporter of any kind, obviously your dream is to break a story, to get a story where no one else had covered it, and you get to show the world what you found. And so it's all always been exciting for me to be in this. It's never felt like, oh my God, I can't believe I have to do this, or why me? I actually, from the beginning, have been very excited about it because as I've been saying, it didn't take long to start realizing, oh my God, they have been committing fraud for a century on this. They have no science, they've got no cards. And I liken it to a poker game, you know, where I don't have to be the greatest poker player in the world. If I sit down, I know it a royal flight. I know I have the best hand that there is. So I don't care if you're Phil Ivey or some world renowned poker player or, you know, the Prince of Saudi Arabia. You can push all the money in, you can intimidate, you can yell, but in the end, at some point, we're all going to go like this. And I know the hand we've got, and I think that's what's happening right now. They have no science and they're really, really in trouble now. And all the science is on the side of the people that have been questioning these vaccines.
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Yeah. I mean, so this is what's so mind blowing is that we keep hearing over and over again, safe and effective. It's safe and effective. It's safe and effective. But what we're starting to realize is they don't even actually have the data or the science to back it up. So where did they come up with this safe and effective narrative? And how do they continue to parrot this without actually having anything to back it up with?
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Well, I mean, I would say you can go all the way back to the beginning of this experiment called vaccination. All the way back to Edward Jenner, who creates the first smallpox vaccine, recognizing milkmaids that are milking cows aren't getting smallpox, sees the lesions of cowpox that the cows are getting and says, wait a minute, maybe because they're coming in contact with cows, cowpox is protecting them from smallpox, by the way, like kind of genius, you know, I'm not against the concept, I see where the concept is. But then they start scraping that pus and, you know, cutting people open and slapping. This is how it starts, right? Vaccine is vacca, meaning cow. So that's where it comes from is this moment in smallpox. So smallpox, that vaccine started smallpox outbreaks in areas that didn't have it. They had side effects from the very beginning. Polio vaccine caused cancer, had a simian retrovirus slip into it that caused cancer for millions and millions of people, also caused polio. The original polio vaccine can cause polio. The polio that's circulating in the world right now is vaccine derived polio, the majority of it. So it can start polio outbreaks. All of these are side effects. So I think 100 or whatever years ago when this all started, what they said is, look, we have problems with this idea. It's a brilliant idea, we're really excited about it, but it has side effects. And the thing about a vaccine is it's a preventative. So it's only gonna work if we can get everybody to take it. So we've gotta convince everybody it's perfectly safe, very effective, it's gonna save the world. But while we behind closed doors work out the problems. But if we talk about the problems, this is it. If we tell people it could kill you. We tell people it could give you polio, we tell people it a smallpox outbreak, then we're not going to get to that herd immunity. We're looking for where everyone's taking it. So let's put a big, happy, shiny face on this. We'll just say it's perfectly safe and effective. And then behind closed doors in our universities, we'll start trying to work on the problems. I think that's what happened. It was great. Only problem is the ones that were working behind closed doors weren't telling the world and they weren't talking about it in universities. And the university students started growing up to the same safe and effective, safe and effective and weren't told. These older scientists that are dying off now have been trying to work out the side effects of these things and can't. So what happened was the real religion of Vaccines. The real clergy died. They died trying to make them safer and never told anyone else. We didn't do it. We couldn't achieve it.
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Wow.
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That's what I think we are. And so we're in a century of safe and effective as a slogan, but not as a scientific statement, because they've never been able to prove they're safe and haven't even attempted to, which is what is at the heart of this film.
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Yeah. Okay, so this is, I think, probably the most mind blowing thing. Now, I knew about this only because I started digging into this whole conversation a long time ago, but for many people, for watching it for the first time. In fact, my dad. I told you about this before we started recording. My dad has been one of the hardest people in my life to convince of this and other stuff too, that we were lied to about, you know, in the medical complex. And he watched this film and he texted me afterwards and he said, oh, my God. He's like, I'm gonna send this to everyone. I know everybody needs to know this. That is some really damning evidence. And one of the things that you revealed was that we have never actually done real safety studies on this. Can you explain what that actually means?
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So at the heart of this study, since, for those that haven't seen it, the film's called an inconvenience study. Back in 2016, I was traveling the country with the first documentary that put me in the center of this. As I said, the last time I was here, I was a producer on cbs talks at the doctors, Science and medicine's my jam. Like that's a report on that. But then I started investigation of vaccines because there was a whistleblower inside the CDC that said they were committing scientific fraud in the vaccine safety studies. I made a documentary about that called Vaxxed, which a lot of people say ignited the medical freedom movement. It was a worldwide sensation and it threw me in the center of this conversation. And I wanted to study all the vaccines. That film was just about MMR vaccines. But while I was traveling, I traveled for a whole year in a bus, the VAX bus. And people were signing the names of their injured children on the side of it, like a driving memorial. I was pulling up through Michigan and just a couple days before, someone in this medical freedom movement reached out to me and said, look, I know the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health, Dr. Marcus Servos. Henry Ford is one of our leading clinical investigation research institutes. Cleveland Clinic is up there. Ford. They do some of the most important science studies that we see. And I said, sure, I'll sit down with the head. Infectious disease. That sounds fascinating. And so we went to dinner and I'll just put it in his words. He sat down with me and he said, look, I just want you to know I'm pro vaccine. I'm taking this dinner because this friend of mine is a very close friend and they really wanted me to meet you. And he said, so I watched your film Vaxxed and it's very compelling. He says, but you know, you've been saying something. I looked into you. You've been saying something as you're traveling this country that I found very disturbing. You keep saying that they've never done the proper science to say that vaccines are safe. And he said, so I sit on the biggest databases in the world, obviously, you know, I went and looked into it so that I could show you all of the research. And he said, and I am shocked that I have to sit across from you and tell you, you're right, that's how it started. The head of infectious disease at Henry Ford says, I have to tell you, you're right. We have never done any safety studies on any of the childhood vaccines. And he said to me, now let's be clear, that doesn't mean they're not safe. It just means we can't actually say.
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They'Re safe because we haven't proven it.
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Because we've never proven it. And I said, that's all I've been saying. I haven't. He's like, no, no, you've been very careful. I've been watching you. You've been very careful about that. That mean. What it means is every pharmaceutical product is supposed to go through a double blind, placebo based trial. We might have done this the last time on your show, but let's say it again, we learned about this in high school. If you're going to test if a pharmaceutical product is safe, you do a placebo study. And so what that means is let's say there's 1,000 people in the study, 500 of them get the product, the test product, and then 500 get a placebo. Meaning the definition has no effect on the human body.
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Yes. Sugar pill or sugar pill.
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If it's a pill, it's a sugar pill. If it's an injection, it's a saline injection. And then with drugs, we follow those, both of those groups for like five, oftentimes ten years. These studies go on. Cancer drugs take five, ten years. We'll deny a cancer patient the opportunity to try a trial drug. This is changing, right to use. Donald Trump was big on his first time. His life was into. I think a cancer patient is dying, should be allowed to. To try a drug if they want. I agree at that point, but we held them back. We said, no, no, no. Safety is so important that you're gonna have to wait till after this trial is over. They're like, I'm dying of cancer. I won't live to the end of that trial. I'm willing to take the risk. And we wouldn't let them take the risk. So that's how important safety is supposed to be in a pharmaceutical product. We have never, ever done that for any of the childhood vaccines. We never gave one group, 500 people the vaccine and then a saline injection to the kids and said, let's track you guys for the next. I would say at least two years, but probably five years would be ideal. Or 10, but, you know, at least two to five years and never been done. And so what? And I know this because I started a nonprofit after making vax, I started suing the government. We got an attorney, Aaron Seri, to sue the government of the United States and say, show us the placebo trials for each of the vaccines. They've never been able to produce it. It's. They don't exist.
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They do not exist. And so what you have with vaccine safety is simply wishful thinking that we just know it's safe. And then we have a problem now that they talk. We didn't cover all this in the film, but now that the product's already on the market, what they'll say is people are lining up saying, right after that vaccine, I suddenly had hives in a rash all over my body. I've had eczema ever since, or my child's had lupus ever since, or my child's never been the same. They can't speak, they have autism, whatever. But there's just millions of people with complaints about side effects from these products. And you'll say, look, how do we know the vaccine's not causing that? Because they'll say, hey, we don't believe the vaccine's causing it. We don't have any studies that show that the vaccine caused it. Yeah, you never did any studies at all.
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Exactly.
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You didn't have zero studies.
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You don't have anything to prove either way.
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Right. And if you watch, if you watch the news, this is what they say. We've looked at it and we don't have any science that shows the correlation or causation of that issue in the vaccine. They've never done the science, so it's a lie. Now when you ask them, well, do the science now. Do that placebo based trial now. Grab a group of people and let's see if these are real side effects to the vaccine. They'll say, I'm sorry, now the products on the market, it's unethical to do that stuff.
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And why do they say it's unethical?
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Because think, think Tuskegee experiment. Yeah, I mean, not, not to like go down too far down a rabbit hole. Tuskegee is African Americans that they in some cases gave these men syphilis to see what syphilis does in a population. All while they had antibiotics, they had penicillin. Penicillin cures, you know, syphilis. But then that's why our government's paid out millions, hundreds of millions of dollars on this. It's a horrific moment in science where we used African American population, especially men, some women pregnant, to just study them. They were poor and we let them die of syphilis instead of giving them a product that already existed just to do the study. So that's how they make this unethical statement. We can protect you from measles because we have a vaccine. So to do a study where the placebo group doesn't get that vaccine is putting you at undue risk, therefore it's unethical. Does that make Sense. Yeah, that's how they're arguing this. And so. So in the end, then, since they never did a safety trial, which is the only way to establish safety is a placebo based trial, and now they won't do a placebo based trial because it's unethical, all you're left with is what's called a retrospective study, which is to look back at people that have already made their decisions. We didn't make you not vaccinate. We didn't put you in a placebo group and deny you access to the measles vaccine. But we grabbed these families who just didn't vaccinate their kids, and we're gonna compare their health outcomes of the unvaccinated to the vaccinated kids, and that's what this study is. In that dinner with Dr. Marcus Zervos, who admitted they'd never done a placebo trial, he said, look, I still believe in vaccines. I don't know what I can do for you. I said, well, would you ever do a study at Henry Ford comparing vaccinated children to completely unvaccinated children? And, and ask just what are the health outcomes? Who has more cancer, who has more diabetes, who has more adhd, who has more lupus, who has more Tourette's, who has more eczema, who has more psoriasis? All of these things, you see the commercials on all these autoimmune diseases, who has more autism.
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I mean, everything that we're seeing explode right now.
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Exploding. All of these that are exploding, it's exploding. But you know what? I'd love to show you video, I think, to finally end this placebo conversation, because Robert Kennedy Jr. Still, he'll still say, I mean, I was his director of communications, so I made sure when I gave. You know, we're like, making sure you're telling the truth. But even now, as HHS secretary, he will say they've never done a placebo based trial on any of the childhood vaccines prior to licensure. And then experts will come on CNN and say, that is categorically untrue. There's a database that proves otherwise. And they've been pointing to this guy, Jake Scott. Jake Scott was brought in on all the majors. Like, I have a database of 600 studies, placebo trials, that prove that Robert Kennedy Jr. Is lying. Well, we had him under oath in a hearing about this study that's the center of our film and giving a study, the Henry Ford study. And he made that statement. Can I, Let me, let me show you.
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I want to see it. Yeah.
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We documented 661 trials using inert placebo controls. We confirmed that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children have been studied in placebo controlled trials. The claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebos is demonstrably false. But when you actually drill down into the system 661 trials, let me give you the breakdown of them. Okay. 567 of these trials were not a routine injected vaccine for disease on the CDC childhood schedule. So totally irrelevant to the safety of routine injected childhood vaccines. The remaining 94 studies, 70 of them, did not involve healthy children. Again, completely irrelevant to the safety of childhood childhood vaccines. Of the remaining 24, 21 did not involve a US licensed vaccine. That leaves us with three studies, three that were claimed to have a inert control that were relied upon to license a routine injected childhood vaccine out of this entire list of 661. And these actually help really highlight the problem we have have in terms of assessing safety. One was a trial for the chickenpox vaccine, the varicella vaccine. It was only a few hundred people, so it was underpowered anyway. But Dr. Scott says it's got an inert control, but actually was an injection of neomycin, an antibiotic that's not inert. The Second one was Gardasil 4 trial, which had thousands and thousands of of girls and women in the control group. Almost all of them got an aluminum adjuvant injection. And then there were a few hundred, only a few hundred that were labeled as inert control, but they weren't. They got everything that's in the vial except for the antigens and the alum, which included L, histidine sorbodates, sodium borate, yeast protein. Not inert. Then the third one was a Gardasil 9 trial which finally, by the way, did have a saline injection. The few hundred that got the placebo, but they only got it if they first got three doses of Gardasil 4. So again, not an actual inert control group. The result is there's zero trials, zero, which were relied upon in this list of 60, 61 to license a routine injected vaccine on the CDC schedule that included a placebo as well as zero trials of a vaccine used as a control to license a routine injection vaccine on the CDC schedule.
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Yeah, I'd be very surprised if you.
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Went through all 661 trials. We haven't even conducted the full analysis yet, but once.
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The series kind of has.
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He should join our team.
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Yeah, he's got a pretty cracked team. Doing that.
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Yeah. If you let me make the decisions.
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I'll join your team.
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I love Ron Johnson so much. Okay, so he just admitted that they have not actually combed through all those stuff.
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Right. I mean, isn't that amazing? So let's just break that down for a second. This is the leading scientist in the world that everyone's just relied upon. He's gonna finally prove this statement that placebo trials haven't been done wrong. Demonstrably false. And then our lawyer, Aaron Seri, who represents Informed Consent Action Network, my nonprofit, he's one of the reasons, you know, we were in that hearing because of this study at the center of our film. But Jake Scott gets up there, comes in knowing he's here for one reason to prove this statement wrong. And then he says, I got 660. And then Aaron Seri lays out all the studies, you know, over like, I think it's like, was it out of 661? Like 590 have nothing to do with our childhood schedule. Totally relevant. You know, I'm not going to go back through. We just watched it.
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Yeah.
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And then at the end when Aaron finally lays out that zero of these studies are actual placebo based trials that reference our childhood vaccine program. So you came to win this argument. You came to win this debate. And then your final statement is, I'm surprised. I doubt you really looked through all those studies because we haven't even looked through them. That is exactly what I've dealt with for 10 years. This is where the science is at. They actually think they're just gonna win this debate on bravado and you know, and trust us, bro, and just faith. Have faith in us. It's like, this isn't original. This isn't a religion. This is science. And by what, and by the way, what school of debate did you ever think you'd win? Your argument being no way you looked into that. Cause the evidence I brought, I haven't even looked at it. I mean, it's just, it's an embarrassment for all of science. But it happens to be the issue that we're in. There are no studies. No one can give you a placebo based trial. So now as parents with kids, we've got to ask ourselves, you know, how much faith do I have? You know, and because that's all this is now. This is a faith based religion, I'm starting to say this, that if you are pro vaccine, you're anti science. Because science would have demanded they do the placebo trials. Science would demand that they do Retrospective studies like this one at Henry Ford testing kids that got all the vaccines versus those that got none and show us that the vaccinated are healthier. That is the heart of this film. That's what Henry Ford did. And when they set out to prove the anti vaxxers wrong, pro vaccine establishment, you know, Henry Ford, head of infectious disease told me so many times on pro vaccine Dell when he finally did this study, it ends up showing that the vaccinated are so much sicker than the unvaccinated, it's really, it's really shocking. Now I want to be clear. We've received a cease and desist letter from Henry Ford. They're accusing us of defamation. So I want their perspective to be known. This is a scientific debate. Yeah, they are saying that in our film. You know, I let Henry, you know, I let Marcus Zervos do the talking, but our film allows him to say which he does with hidden cameras in the room. It's a good study. The only reason I didn't publish it is because I'm afraid of losing my job. Henry Ford wants the world to believe the only reason it wasn't published is it's bad data. It's their data. I don't know why it's bad, but it's bad data. And it's not. The study doesn't meet the scientific rigors that they expect from Henry Ford. And all I would say is I have your head of infectious disease who did the study. He also ran your Moderna trials. You didn't seem to have a problem with them. Never had a problem with his science when he's done other things. But now suddenly you get results that are so bad for the vaccine program. My opinion is this. Had the results been reversed and it was the unvaccinated that were 2.5 times more likely to develop chronic disease in their life compared to the vaccinated then I think you would have seen this study and it goes on. Ultimately the vaccinated and in it 2.5 times more likely to have chronic disease. Within 10 years, 57% of children vaccinated will have chronic disease. 57%.
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It's right where we are at with this neurological and autoimmune disease crisis happening in America. It's like at 54%, 57% in the study, whereas an unvaccinated child by 10 years old, only 17% of them are going to be having chronic disease. They're gigantic numbers.
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And what really blew my mind is when they did this retrospective study is what it's called. Right?
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B
So what they did, looking back retrospectively.
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A
And I don't know if we actually defined that, maybe you did, but just again, for people listening. So basically what that means is since they haven't done the studies in real time, they went back and looked at all the data and compared the unvaccinated or the vaccinated, maybe you did already say that, but yeah.
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So just to put it into terms so people understand it, prospective means looking forward, meaning I'm going to block a placebo group from getting the vaccine and then have those that get it? And we're gonna track them. That's the best. That's the gold standard of science. That's the best science you can do. Retrospective is we've gotta find two groups of people that have already made their choices so that we haven't affected them or put them in harm's way on either side. And that's what this study is. It's about 18,500 kids. Ish. That are in the study, 2,000 of which are unvaccinated. So you're comparing about 16,000 kids that are vaccinated to 2,000 kids that are unvaccinate. And I want to be clear, it's not across the board. If there's five here and five here, we don't say, see, it's the same issue. Clearly, this is a larger group. What is the percentage inside of that group? What's the percentage inside of that group that have asthma? What is the percentage inside of this group? And then compare those percentages, and that's what we're looking at. Six times the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders amongst the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. It's off the charts.
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Well, and what's so maddening is if. If it had been the opposite and they had found, oh, yeah, vaccines really are helping and they're saving lives and kids have less chronic disease, they would have been. I mean, this would have been all over mainstream media news. This would have been headlines. They would have been celebrating this. But now that it does not fit their narrative, they want to hide it. And what makes me so mad about that is that what you guys found was not just, oh, you know, there's a little bit here, and there's the amount of cases of chronic diseases that you found in children that were vaccinated versus unvaccinated. Also the cases that. Okay, so there was no cases of ADHD found. Brain function issues, diabetes, tics, behavioral problems, intellectual disabilities, or other psychological disabilities in the unvaccinated.0.
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B
Which was a problem. Here's why we can't even get a statistic on it. It doesn't. There's no way to do math if one of the groups has a. So those don't even. Those aren't even a part of the study. They just show these little infinity symbols. Meaning, couldn't determine. And so those are all issues that didn't even appear in this study because, like, since there was zero in the unvaccinated, we have no way of coming up with a ratio or a rate so we're just leaving it blank. So those didn't even enter in this thing. Where it did was where you have hundreds and almost none, but you need at least one case to do any math whatsoever. And in multiple columns, like you said, like ADHD zero cases amongst the 2,000 unvaccinated kids.
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A
I mean, that was wild. One I wanted to ask you about because I was actually a little bit unclear about this. So there was also something about autism. You asked him, does this mean that we're wrong about autism? Can you explain that more?
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B
So, I mean, obviously the work that I've done starts with the question of autism. That's why I made vascular. It's a huge part of it. And when I've been demanding a vax versus blood, can we get someone to do a vax versus unvaccinated study? That's where we would see if autism is being caused by vaccines. In this study, for some reason, there is not enough autism in both groups to really come to a conclusion on.
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That because there was one in the.
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Unvaccinated group, there's only one in the unvaccinated, and there's only 23 in the vaccinated group. Now we, you know, in the film, we're like, how deep do we want to go into this? Because there's a lot to look at there. For instance, the fact that there's only 23 in the vaccinated is far less out of 16,000 kids. If you just think this was a study of kids that were born 2000 to 2016. So 16 years, that's who they were looking, looking at. At that time period, your autism rates roughly 1 in 150 in there, maybe 1 in 250, depending on how conservative you want to be. We're at 1 in 34 right now. Just to be clear, it's been skyrocketing since that time. But even if you took those numbers, there should have been at least like 150 cases in the vaccinated. And obviously we don't know if unvaccinated infected, but there probably would be more there and that would have been a natural number why they're not there. Peter McCullough, I asked him about this and he said there's. What he thinks is happening is prior to 2013. So at 2013, they changed the rules on the diagnostic criteria. All of these, the way the study's done is every ailment you have as a number, right? When you go into a hospital, you have a cold, it's like, you know, whatever the number, 280. And then everything has a number. And so all these numbers are how we come to these conclusions and these studies. So prior to 2013, so for 13 years of this study, you were not allowed to diagnose someone as having both ADHD and autism. And so they couldn't get those two diagnoses. You had to choose one. So 13 of the 16 years of this study, they were limited. And what he believes, and you see the number's much larger than it should be compared to autism in the adhd. So he says likely what's happened in this study is at least that group of kids were all diagnosed as ADHD in that time period for two reasons. Usually in the initial diagnosis, he said, doctors don't want to have this really difficult conversation, and they're not quite sure yet. And there's drugs available, there's money to be made, and there's a lot of reasons why, let's just call it ADHD and not autism. And so he believes you could probably, you know, if they really cared in this study, all you would do is call all those adhd, ADHD children, those families, and say, did they ever end up getting diagnosed with autism? And then you would probably fill the gap, and we could actually study it. So that's a major part of the problem. Andy Wakefield looked at it too. He weighed in, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and he said also, most of these kids were about five years old was the extent it was a younger study in autism, you tend to really get the bulk of autism between 4 and 8 years years old. So he says a lot of them haven't been diagnosed yet. So in this group, the children are too young, and it looks like they're being put in a different category. You'd have to sort of unpack that. And so that makes a lot of sense. You know, that that's where that's at. It's unfortunate. I mean, look, there's so many parents. We would all hope, boy, that would have the. The big answer. But, I mean, luckily this week, Peter McCullough has just put out a groundbreaking study of. I think it's 126studies that huge. He said it's unequivocal that vaccines are definitely one of the leading causes of autism. This whole conversation is changing as we speak. But you know what? I have another video if you want to watch it, because when it comes to this autism discussion, we keep hearing this mountains of evidence. Autism is the one thing we've studied. And I love this statement. I always see with Sanjay Gupta, we don't know what's causing autism, but we know it's not vaccines, which is the craziest statement I've ever heard. But my nonprofit, because we sue all the time, we've had some of the greatest scientists in the world under oath, So I have under oath, Katherine Edwards. She is one of the leading scientists that studies vaccines. She's one of four authors on a book called Plotkin on Vaccines. It's the bible of vaccines. She's the second biggest person in the world on vaccines, short of Plotkin himself. And so we had her on the stand, and she was there to prove that the vaccines had not caused, in this case, Yates Hazlehurst. This kid who had gotten autism that there's no way those vaccines caused autism. Let me show you what she has to admit when she's under oath.
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I can't wait to see this.
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In the expert disclosures for this case, it asserts that, among other things, you will testify that, quote, the issue of whether vaccines cause autism has been thoroughly researched. Researched and rejected, end quote. It's your testimony that MMR vaccine cannot cause autism?
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That's correct.
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C
It's your testimony that Hep B vaccine cannot cause autism?
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That's correct.
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C
It's your testimony that IPOL cannot cause autism?
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Yes.
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C
It's your testimony that Hib vaccine cannot cause autism?
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Yes.
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C
Your testimony that varicella vaccine cannot cause autism?
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Yes.
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It's your testimony that Prevnar vaccine cannot cause autism?
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Yes.
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C
It's your testimony DTaP vaccine cannot cause all?
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Yes.
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C
And do you have a study that supports that dtap doesn't cause autism?
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I do not have a study that DTAP causes autism, so I don't have either.
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C
Do you have any study one way or another of whether Ipole causes autism?
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No, I do not, sir.
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C
Do you have any study one way or another of whether ndrex B causes automatically autism?
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I do not have any evidence that it causes autism, nor that it does not.
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C
And what about hit titers vaccine? Any evidence one way or another whether it causes autism? And what about prevnar vaccine? Any evidence one way or another? And how about varicella vaccine? Let me just finish. Are there any studies one way or another that support whether it does or doesn't cause autism?
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Part of mmr, but not as varicella by itself? No, sir. No studies that say it does or no studies that say it doesn't? Right.
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C
There have been studies that have found an association between hepatitis B vaccine and autism. Correct.
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A
Not studies that I feel are credible.
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C
Okay. Which study are you referring to when you say that?
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Well, why don't you show me the study and then I'll see whether I agree with it. I mean, that's insane. And she said that under oath. Let's just make that very clear.
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So under oath, it's during COVID which is why she's sitting in her home. So these cases are happening via email online. This is her deposition. And let's just unpack that. We hear there's mountains of evidence. She is the second highest rated scientist in the world on vaccines. She's shown up to this court case as with the evidence, with the evidence that Sanjay Gupta only talks about the evidence. She's the one holding it. And then under oath, when you list all the vaccines that Yates Hazel has. So you have science that shows that dtap doesn't cause autism. And she says, no, not that it does or that it doesn't. And you go through. You just heard it. So there it is. That's mic drop. This conversation's over. As of that, I mean, I don't again, like Jake Scott in this hearing, I don't know what you thought was gonna happen. Did you think you were gonna show up into a court case under oath and we were all just gonna assume like we have for the last hundred years, years that you must be telling the truth? Finally, our attorney again, that's Aaron Seri. Same guy that's in the hearing is going, where's your evidence? Do you have evidence of what you're stating? No.
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And it's so interesting. It just shows you this is how they've been able to get around the conversation for so long is what they say is they say, well, we don't have any evidence to prove it either.
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Right.
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And so then everybody goes, oh, okay, well, we can't prove it scientifically. But then they can't.
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They can't prove it either way.
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Exactly. So it's like either it's just gaslighting.
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So they never. The only way, by the way, you could have causation say that this vaccine causes this issue is you needed to do a double blind study. You needed over the course of a five year study to say this many kids that got the vaccine had autism compared to this many that got the placebo. And that's how we know the vaccine causes autism. You cannot get the causation without that study. And they've skipped that study. And then they don't do any studies after that because it'd be unethical. And then that's the game. Well, we don't have studies either way that show either way. And so we're just, we assume, we assume it's not being caused by the vaccine. And that's all this is. Again now it's just a religion because it has no basis in science. And lastly, what they'll say is we have 50 documented years of the safety of vaccines. We don't need to do those studies. They've been proven safe by how long we're using. And then I'll go, excuse me. We have the sickest kids we have ever seen in this country. 54% of them have chronic disease. This study shows 57% by the time they're 10 years old will now have a lifelong chronic disease or neurological disorder or autoimmune disease, which is up from 12% in the 1980s. So 12% to over, over 54%. One in two kids now is sick, sicker than any other kid in any other nation in the world. Sicker than any generation we've ever had here. And they'll say we don't have the science to say the vaccines is causing that. I said, I don't even care about that. What I'm pointing to is you're using their health as the proof that your product was safe and they're sick. Exactly right.
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A
So you're saying, yeah, that we have the long term.
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The 50 years has shown it. Yeah, the 50 years has shown the greatest decline in human health that's ever been recorded.
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It's great. And then autism is going up. But then they tell us, oh no, that's just because we've gotten better at diagnostics.
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B
The most ridiculous.
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We wouldn't know if kids were nonverbal, if they were stemming, if they were hitting their head up against the wall. Like that argument just makes me so mad. Like, do they think we're that stupid?
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B
I think they used to believe we're that stupid. Now I don't know what they're going to do. But let's be clear on that. We're now at 1 in 12.5 boys are being diagnosed with autism in California. Those are the highest rates we've ever seen. And again, pointing out that's a four year old study. So what's it going to be when they get to be 8 years old? As I said, 4 to 8 is where you see the major. It's probably going to go above 1 in 10, which is just so incredibly shocking. And so that means if it's always been here, let's go back. I don't see any hieroglyphics in Egyptian temples of autistic people. We see no discussion of it anywhere in science, anywhere. And we don't see Freud, Charcot, Tourette's. These are all doctors that went into insane asylums and drew up some of the most graphic depictions of mental illness that we still use today. Not a single description of autism. And so this is a ridiculous statement, really. It didn't exist until about the 1970s is where we start seeing the first cases. But to Bobby's point, if it has always been here, where is the 12.5 men in the elderly old folks homes right now? Are in the corner stemming or the ones that are severe, that have diapers and been nonverbal their whole lives? Where are they?
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Yeah, they don't exist.
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B
Don't exist. And I would say. And that's using reason to have this argument now, any doctor that just made that statement to you, anyone you watch on the TV that makes that statement, it's always been here. We're just diagnosing it better. I just gave you the simplest way you can prove that's ridiculous. Now you gotta ask yourself, oh, my God, they can't be that stupid. Stupid. They're either stupid or they're lying to me. But why would I trust a single other word out of these people's mouths now?
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A
Exactly. I know this is the problem is that we're starting to realize the veil is being lifted. And we're starting to realize all the things that we've been lied to about all of this stuff. What I don't understand is, okay, so they have never done a double blind placebo study. How did they get away with that in the beginning? Is it just because. Is it similar to kind of what we did with COVID where it was like, oh my God, this is an emergency, people are dying. We, we just need to roll this out. Is that kind of what happened back when we started doing vaccinations in the beginning? And then we just started saying, oh, yeah, we've done the studies, we've done the studies. And then it just kept getting repeated.
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B
Yeah, I think that that's exactly what happened. If you think about, like we said, smallpox, very scary disease, by the way. I don't want to undermine. You know, smallpox is ravaging, you know, many parts of the world. If you had a product, I mean, and again, it's like, we could die from this thing. We'll try anything. And so the vaccine program, they just start trying. First they're just slapping pus from cows into your wounds in Your arm. And then they're making really rough vaccines. And some people are getting smallpox from the vaccine, but they're willing to take the risk because they're in a crisis. Then they use that same sort of intensity around polio. Polio, oh my God. People are getting paralyzed. We gotta get a vaccine. We gotta do. And so that gets rushed on the market. Who wants to wait for a five year placebo based trial when polio's around? But the problem is chickenpox wasn't an emergency.
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A
Oh, we had chickenpox parties when I was.
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B
Everyone's having chickenpox. No one is, you know. But they got away with it because there'd been a precedent set. Oh, these just get rushed on the market. And we just, we skipped the placebo trial because of the emergency. And they treated every illness after that as though it's in the same situation. It's in an emergency. But there was measles. Frankly, measles was not an emergency. Measles. Measles has. I mean, I always want to say this people, because we have been so programmed to hearing that measles is deadly. You know, just type in Google Brady Bunch measles episode. I mean, it's really important. I mean, I know that people are like, well, it's a television show. But the zeitgeist, like the thing that. What were we thinking when we had measles? Were we afraid of it then? No, the entire family in Brady Bunch gets the measles. And it's a laugh track all the way to the point where the last, I think laugh is dead. You know, the whole kids are all like, you know, I think the one kid, they're playing board games, they've all ended up at home. And he's like, boy, if you have to get a disease, you sure can't beat the measles laugh track because you didn't die.
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A
Exactly. Well, it was a reflection of what was going on in society then.
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B
Right. They did not. I was just at a. I was just giving a talk about a week ago and it just happened to be a fairly older audience. I could tell about 1200 people, probably 60 or 70%, were, you know, above the age of 60. And I just said, you know, I've never done this. Well, everyone in the room that had measles, like live wild measles. A child please stand up. And I mean, it was like the majority of the room stood up and I was like, how did you survive? And they burst out laughing. They burst out laughing, right? And so to that point it's, it wasn't deadly before there was ever a vaccine. The death rate of measles is about 1 in 500,000 in America. So we've, we've allowed the pharmaceutical industry to control our television. It does. It's 60% of the advertising, which is 6, 60% of the funding. So your sitcoms have disappeared. We don't laugh at it now. Now it's deadly. Oh my God. Deadly measles outbreak. Be afraid. Be very afraid. But to that point, they rushed the measles vaccine. We didn't need to rush that. We could have done placebo based trials, you know, we could have done placebo based trials on mumps. We could have done placebo based trials on chickenpox. But they've made it all like it's a smallpox outbreak. And so they've skipped all the proper safety science. And now what we see is the autoimmune disease crisis of all times. And that's what I think we've done. I think what we've done, if you look at it, is we've traded trivial childhood illnesses that lasted like five days. We've traded that for permanent, lifelong disease. I could have had a rash for five days, the measles, been uncomfortable, but instead I'm going to have plaque psoriasis or eczema my entire life over my neck and my ears and all over my body. See the horrible commercial people that suffer this. It's horrible, horrible. You know, and that's the lightest side of it. What if autism, what if, you know, having no ability to speak, you know, repetitive motion disorders and living in a diaper the rest of your life, you traded that for a five day rash.
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A
I know. I just keep thinking about the story of that boy, Claire Colton, that you showed in the documentary. I actually, I had seen him on Instagram because there was a video circulating and what happened to that boy is so unbelievably heartbreaking. I mean, I can't, it makes me emotional. I mean, he was paralyzed from the neck down, from the jaw down. Actually, colton was a 13 year old, healthy, strong boy. He loved anything that has to do with an injury. Adrenaline rush, motocross was his passion. The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you should get the HPV vaccine.
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B
I said, okay. So he was administered the vaccine that.
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A
Evening when he sat up to take a drink of water, he just flopped back and his head just hit the pillow. And I went, colton, are you going paralyzed?
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B
They immediately, immediately took him down to.
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A
Primary Children's Hospital in Salt Lake. Original diagnosis was transverse myelitis. When the doctor came out and asked me has he been sick?
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B
I said no, he hasn't been sick.
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A
He had the HPV vaccine on February 1st. And they went, oh well, we'll be reporting that to Vars. It does suck like not being able to ice sports anymore. Now I have to sit on the sideline. Just watch. Everybody gotta do your research like you don't. You can't just trust a doctor anymore. Do your own ways to find out what's best for you.
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B
One of the really weird things about Gardasil, I have no idea if as a scientific basis, but is that all the parents said my daughter died after a Gardasil vaccine or my child's been many paralysis. Paralysis is a huge deal. Also sterility girls have. They have menopause at like 14 years old right after the vaccine.
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A
Oh my God. After Gardasin.
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B
Yeah, it's terrible. It's really, really terrible. But the paralysis one, every parent, I almost want to say every parent, I heard this more than a dozen times as I traveled the country. My child was a star athlete prior to being paralyzed by this vaccine. And I started thinking, I mean, I heard all the other injuries died after flu, blah, blah, blah. I didn't hear this star athlete thing. But with Gardasil it was always star athlete, now paralyzed. And in this case Colton, you know, a major motorcycle racer, very active athlete. I honestly would love to see a study to see if there's something about blood flow in athletes that maybe that vaccine is worse if you have, I mean, something about being athletic and that vaccine is destroyed teenagers lives. I don't know, I'm just totally anecdotal.
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Yeah.
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B
But it was really weird and it's horrific because you see, I literally would go into their rooms and see the trophies all over the wall and now they're in bed and they cannot move.
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A
Oh my God. The Gardasil one is interesting to me. I can't believe they still have it on the market. It's unbelievable because the amount of side effects that they've been able to put back on the Gardasil vaccine because didn't they have a big class action lawsuit against them too?
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B
There's, I mean, I don't know whether there's one chd I think is in that case. They're finally getting discovery. So it hasn't been finished yet. We're now finally one of the first times ever getting discovery into what they knew was wrong with that vaccine. But I'll say that has A massive load of aluminum. And that aluminum has been, you know, what do they call it, where it's protected from investigation because it's a priority. Like, it's owned. It's patented by the makers. So we can't even see what. What's in that aluminum that is affecting these people. And, you know, it goes after the cervix and all sorts of ovary issues, and it is just a really terrible vaccine. And guess what? Ever since its introduction, zero reduction in, you know, cervical cancer, which was the entire point.
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A
I mean, none.
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B
None. It's been totally ineffective. So. And, you know, and then when we give it to boys. Why does a boy even need it? It's crazy.
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A
Exactly. Why are we giving it to boys?
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B
Just because. I'm saying. Because it's more like a cult ritual now than has anything to do inside. It's not science.
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A
I've actually gotten a lot of messages over the last couple years about that one specifically, which I found really interesting, of parents writing me and saying, my doctor's telling me that my kid, my son, my daughter needs this vaccine. And I never tell anyone that comes to me. I never say, like. Like, oh, you should or shouldn't do this. I just try to lead them in the right direction. I'm like, ooh, I'm concerned about that one. Go check this out. X, Y, and Z. But I just. I was shocked to hear that their doctors are still pushing it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Oh, my God.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay, so Marcus Zervis, who is the head of the infectious disease at Henry Ford Health Clinic. So he agreed to do this retrospective study.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then he was so scared of the results that he didn't actually want to release it.
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B
That's my opinion. Opinion. And it's also the statement that he makes. I'm saying that because there's obviously the potential for a pending lawsuit against me by Henry Ford Health, and I did not stop the movie. I have no intention of stopping the movie or the study. But, you know, they're allowed to have their opinion if they want to bring a case. I'll just say, you know, I'll have to defend why I have the opinion. I do. I have the opinion that the reason this study was not published was number one, because of all of the doctors and scientists I've watch attempt to do this study that lost their license. And I want to make that clear. The most important part of this study in this film is that it doesn't stand alone. It's not an anomaly. If this was the only study of its kind that had ever been done. You have to take that with some, like, okay, it's showing a signal, but it's a retrospective study. There's always limitations. In that study, we couldn't perfectly control for how many African Americans or how many birth defects or those types of things. There's. There's some issues that in a retrospective study, it's not as clean as doing that. Prospective studies we've described. If it was all alone. The problem is that this is at least the fifth study. And I think that in Peter McCullough's now reading, he's saying there's 12 studies comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. But in every study so far that's ever been done, it's the same signal. The signal, meaning we see a problem, and that is that the vaccinated are coming out far sicker than the unvaccinated. And there is not a study anywhere in the world that has compared these two groups of people and found that the vaccinated are the ones that are healthier and the unvaccinated are sicker. That's astounding. That's astounding since this product was designed to make us healthier than we already were. And every study showing the opposite. And so what I'm saying in the film is this is now what we call reproducible science. In a world where there's funding behind studies and many of the journals of medicine are saying, look, you can't trust just because we published it, that it's true. Harvard has tested it, the Cochrane Collaboration has tested many studies, and they're saying less than 50% of the studies that are peer reviewed can be reproduced. Meaning it's baloney. It's not science. If a different group can't come up with the same results, then it's not accurate. So in this case, we have four or five studies that I talk about in the film that I know of, one done by Anthony Mawson at the University University of Mississippi, looking at homeschool parents. He polled all these mothers. Let me hear your health records. And showed higher rates of autism, higher rates of neurodevelopmental disorders, you know, all of the autoimmune disease, higher in the vaccinated. Then you have Paul Thomas. He had a huge practice pediatrician, looked at, you know, I think he had nearly 10,000 kids he could look at that were born into his practice. And then some I gave none, no vaccines. Others I gave some and he compared them, same results. Sicker was in the vaccinated, but Henry Ford When Marcus Zervos decides to do this, he's not coming from Paul Thomas. He's not a doctor that has ever not given vaccines to kids. Paul Thomas, you could say, has a bias, and that's what science has said. His license was taken away by the way they went after his license as soon as he published these findings from his own practice. I'm talking about Paul Thomas. And so with Dr. Zervos, he's gonna prove all these other studies wrong. That's why he did it. We said prove it us wrong.
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Yeah.
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B
The vaccines are so great. You clearly believe in them. You recognize there's never been a placebo trial, so you can ethically do this study. So show us how great vaccines are. And that's what Henry Ford and Marcus Zervo set out to do. You cannot beat a scientific study that is done by your opposition setting out to prove you wrong. When they prove you right, now you really have a problem. Yeah, now you really have a problem. And had it been the only one, okay, we could question it, and we should. But now that it's saying the same thing, we see every time. So my call to action for everyone in the world and any parent out there personally, I wouldn't touch a single vaccine now until either the CDC or NHS in England or Kaiser Permanente or any major medical institution, until another major medical institution or government can produce a study that multiple scientists can all look at and say that compared vaccinated to unvaccinated and the vaccinated are healthier. Until you see that study, I don't know why you would move forward with this product. It's anti science. There is no science. There's no safety studies. And every study that's being done retrospectively is showing that they're dangerous and they're making kids sick.
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A
I mean, what we need right now is we need really courageous scientists and we need really courageous journalists to actually get this information out. And, and I wonder, I really wonder what it's going to take to get our medical, our mainstream medical complex, if you want to call it, to actually start revealing this and doing these studies. What do you think it's going to take?
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B
You would have to remove their funding, which is their connection to the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, the pharmaceutical industry is making. They made over $100 billion on COVID vaccine. The number two and three products at most of these pharmaceutical companies now are vaccinated vaccines. And I mean, I just interviewed Sherry Tenpenny recently, and she believes they know that the vaccines are causing all the autoimmune disease that you have to take drugs the rest of your life.
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A
Yes.
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B
To protect, you know, yourself like to. To deal with. And so you're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in products to deal with the side effects that the vaccines caused. I don't tend to go that far that they're doing it on purpose. I like to say I think it's just accidental that they're making of dollars off of products that deal with the first product they gave you when you're a kid. Only because I just don't have evidence of that level of malice. Everything points to that. But I take journalism another level. I got to be able to prove.
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A
Yeah, you gotta be able prove it.
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B
That that is the motivation. But one thing is for sure, these autoimmune and neurological disorders that you were having to give your kids drugs for, even adhd, what happens if that was caused by the first part, the first pharmaceutical industry sold you? I think that's what we're up against. We're talking about. And that's. And by the way, an industry that has so much money, they're the number one lobby in America. They buy more politicians in your government than any other industry, even more than oil and gas. They spend twice as much money buying politicians as oil and gas does. And we fight wars in the Middle east for that money. What is pharma getting? They're trying to hold onto this narrative. I think it's over. I think it's falling apart. I think people are too smart and now. And I think that they really have a problem. I don't care if New York Times, Washington Post, whatever you want to keep, like, pushing this narrative. It's over. Every mom, it's ringing true. There's something wrong with this. And why is it all you'll say is, they're wrong. Oh, that study is wrong. But you can't show me a study of your own. You can't show me a placebo study. It's. This is really shifting very fast right now.
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A
Well, it's why all these mainstream media outlets are dying. I mean, they're literally dying. People don't believe them anymore. It's so funny when these articles come out now. Washington Post, New York Times, everyone laughs about it. Like, I don't even know if they realize that, but the majority of the population is laughing at the headlines that they're making now because it's just like, do they really think that we're that stupid? Do they really think that we're not noticing what's going on and that we're not paying attention to what's happening to our children and how we're sick of. I mean, it's just. You can't ignore it anymore is the problem.
- [68:16]
B
That was what was so interesting about making this film compared to having made Vaxed, you know, and it was one of the things like, how many videos should we have of the types of injuries? We were going to have a section of the movie. This movie, this study was finished in 2020. They didn't publish it in 2020. From 2020 to 2025, how many kids would have been saved? How many kids wouldn't have had a neurological, you know, neurological neurodevelopmental disorder or an autoimmune disease? And we thought about having that section. We didn't have a lot of time to make the movie. But I just kept thinking in Vaxxed, I had to show all these videos before and after these kids that were injured and had autism, because autism still was rare. Maybe it was 1 in 50 when we made that movie. Now it's 1 in 30, but it's still 1 in 30, you know, still a Rain man story. This is not a Rain man man story. This is more than half of our kids. One in two kids is suffering from these diseases that this study is showing is being caused by vaccines. So I said to my team, I don't think we have to show a lot of before and afters. I don't think we have to prove this point because our audience, more than half and probably 75% because you got two kids, you know, now the odds are even increased. Odds are one of your kids is having these issues that are being being described in this study. And so I don't need to describe to you what it's like to live with eczema. I don't need to describe to you what it's like to live with a gastrointestinal issue or, you know, all of these things, or ADHD or speech delays, because it is running rampant.
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A
It's touching everyone.
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B
It's touching everyone. You're going to know. The only thing you're going to ask is, no, no, no, don't. Don't describe the disease. We have it. We have it on family. Show me what the evidence is that you actually know what caused it. That's all this film is about now.
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A
I know, man. It's so. I. I wish that we had documentation of what happened with my brother, but it's really interesting. I told you in the beginning that my dad watched that film. So When I was younger. So basically, my. My brother was born perfectly healthy. In fact, they were. They were doing the paperwork essentially, to, like, release my mom that day from the. The hospital. And one of the nurses told my mom, we're just gonna give him some routine shots. Now. My mom is now asking. She doesn't know what shots he got. But after that, his fever spiked. He ended up in an incubator for three weeks. After that, he could never hold up his head. He could never walk, he could never talk. The only thing that was there was that he had eye movement. And we could tell that he was in there in the sense that, like, when I would talk to him or something, you could tell that he knew who I was. And. But that was the extent of his existence. And he ended up ultimately passing away when he was 11. And I remember as a kid, my mom told me this. She said. I just. I remember she literally, like, whispered it to me because all the doctors told her, oh, there's no way it could be this. You know, everyone my parents flew him to all over. All over the country, different neurological specialists, everyone, no one could get ever give them a definitive answer. But she whispered to me one time, she goes, courtney, he got those shots, and he was never the same. And so as a very young kid, I grew up with that mentality and that notion of, wow, maybe something that we're doing here with these pharmaceutical drugs that we're injecting newborns with is doing something. And after that film, when we called my dad, my parents both said, because my mom has since. It's really interesting to see, because she said that to me. And then now I think she's kind of in a little bit of this, like, denial about it. But when they watched that film, they said, you know, we've really been thinking back about your brother and exactly what shots he got and everything. Because all those stories that you told in the film is a very similar story of what happened to my brother.
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B
And odds are, if that hospital is like any other hospital, what they definitely go is a hepatitis B vaccine. Yeah, one of the dumbest.
- [72:02]
A
We don't even need it.
- [72:04]
B
Pointless vaccines of all times.
- [72:06]
A
Yes.
- [72:07]
B
This is going to be the first vaccine you're going to watch, I think. Well, Covid just went. Went to shared decision making under Robert Kenning Jr. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, ACIP at CDC. Dr. Malone's been very outspoken. They're looking very closely at hepatitis B. I think you're going to see that go to shared decision making, which means it's your choice. You shouldn't have it mandated on you. You're going to start watching these changes under Robert Kennedy Jr. He's taking his time. He's making sure that all sides, scientists on all sides are looking at the evidence. We'd all like it to have happen quicker, but I would just say, get out of that hospital right now. Take a lawyer with you when you're giving birth and you have to. I can't tell you how many parents, like, I didn't even sign off on the vaccines, but they took my baby away. And then they came back.
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A
Oh, God. That was my biggest fear. I told my husband, I was like, I don't even want to give birth in a hospital because my fear is that they're just going to take the baby in another room and just shoot.
- [72:58]
B
Him up and we won't even know it has happened. We've brought lawsuits. Our nonprofits brought lawsuits. And so far those laws, lawsuits lose. The judges are saying even if you wrote my child is to get no vaccines, the hospital gives them anyway. We haven't found a case yet. The case hasn't won yet that says that was your right. They went against your wishes, and you have an ability to sue. There's just, I mean, there's just so much of a religious belief around these things. Like, well, we're just going to look there. There was a mistake. What's the, what's the big deal? Is probably, you know, what I would argue happened to your brother, which is 100% really, really unfortunate.
- [73:38]
A
I mean, it was right after. And his fever spiked and nobody could ever. He was born perfectly healthy. There was no warning signs. They were in the hospital for like three days. And then, oh, conveniently after he got his shot, like, what?
- [73:49]
B
Well, but think about how crazy this is. You just said your mom, your dad, they took your brother all over to all these experts. Did any of those experts ever ask, did your kid get a vaccine?
- [74:00]
A
No, no, no.
- [74:01]
B
How is that not. How is that not a part of the discussion? Right? I mean, this is. What I say is so crazy. I always, I always mean this is where I'm not a doctor or a scientist. Right? I'm just a journalist. I just use common sense, right? And if we're common sense, I always say to people, if you wake up in the morning and you've got it coming out of both sides, you clearly have food poisoning. What's the first question you, you ask.
- [74:24]
A
Yourself, what did I eat?
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B
What did I eat last night? Right. If your baby's Walking and talking and they're doing perfectly fine. You know, nurse said they're really healthy. We're just going to take them in and then suddenly they're fevering, they're screaming, they can't breathe, and they're never the same. Why is it not. What did we do to that child while they were healthy? You know, it's crazy. And right now, we just reported this on this on the high wire. There's now a SIDS case that's one in vaccine, Vaccine court that proved that the brain swelling event that killed their baby five hours after receiving 10 vaccines at 11 weeks. Ten vaccines at the same time in a baby this big. It's crazy. I mean, we're nuts. This is absurd. But it finally was proven. Sids, we've, I believe SIDS is a vaccine death. There's hundreds of them every single year.
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A
In one of the vaccine.
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B
Yeah, it used to. I think they, I think even that one's been removed, but I think you're gonna see that change. But again, Florida, in Florida now, they're looking to pass a law that says any SIDS case, in that case, the coroner, the doctor, whoever reports SIDS has got to report the last vaccines that were given so that we can have it in a database and start saying how close to vaccinations lineup. Is it shocking, shocking that that hasn't been a part of the reporting? I mean, certainly. What did they eat? What else did they do? What happened in this child's life that suddenly they. It's sudden infant death. Like that's a scientific statement. It's the dumbest statement there is. They spontaneously combusted into death and we have no explanation. And we have no explanation and we're gonna do no research. And by the way, if you even dare to look at vaccines, we're going to admonish you and call you crazy. And really, I see right here in the vaccine insert, it says encephalitis is a side effect of this vaccine. That's brain swelling. Brain swelling can kill you in any other circumstances. Why is it that it wouldn't kill a baby? I mean, it's right there. And I was like, it couldn't possibly be. And this is the level of denial, the lack of science, this is denial of science has gone on too long. That's why I'm saying if you, you're pro vaccine, you are anti science. Because what they're saying is a religion, have faith. And if you question us, you're a heretic and you should be, you know, you should have your license pulled.
- [76:50]
A
It is insane.
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B
It's crazy. It's like the witch. It's like witch trials.
- [76:54]
A
Well, I also just find it so funny that vaccines are the only pharmaceutical drug that we do not recognize has side effects. God forbid that we admit that a pharmaceutical industry intervention that you inject into your body, that we say that it might have some side effects, but we're crazy for saying that. It's mind blowing.
- [77:16]
B
I said that to Bobby recently when I had dinner with him, because I was watching the last hearing where Bernie Sanders is just ripping into him. I said, bobby, why don't you just. I can never stop being director of communications for that guy. I was like, bobby, why don't you just say to Bernie, Bernie, what's going on here, man? We are totally aligned. You have spent your life saying that the pharmaceutical industry is filled with liars and thieves that are just out to make money, and you're against how we push drugs on kids and all the ADD and the medication over. We are totally aligned until they just change the word to vaccines. And now all of a sudden, Bernie's like, can't question it. There are a bunch of angels that are making it. It absolutely couldn't possibly have side effects. There's no way they're doing it for the money. Like, Bernie, vaccine. I just have to change the word. And you are, like, out to lunch. And now we're not buds, and now we're not fighting on the same. Cause it's crazy.
- [78:09]
A
It really is crazy and crazy. And the fact that so many people have fallen for it is really crazy to me, too, that more people. More and more people are waking up by the day. I've been having more conversations about vaccines than I ever have in my entire life this year. And I've, like, I. I said I woke up about this a long time ago because my brother. But I also learned in the. When Was that? The 90s? That if you talked about them, that you would have the Jenny McCarthy effect, where you would just be destroyed. So I just went like this for, like, 20 years, and now we can finally talk about it. And it's so crazy because people that I never, ever thought would ever come talk to me about it, people are starting to write me messages about it. Hey, can you send me, you know, X, Y, and Z that you were talking about? Or, like, you know, it's just. It's. We're in a really cool time, and I'm very, very excited that it's all coming out because it is. It is a Long time coming.
- [78:58]
B
I wanted just to address what you're saying, let's just look at. Of all the products in the world you would say that would just obviously be so safe we should never even need to test it. I mean, that's what they're saying with vaccines, right? And one of the things I say to, when I talk to, you know, senators or, you know, I would say, you know, would you ever give penicillin, Just mandate penicillin for everyone in your. That gets an infection in your state. They'll go. I was like, why? Well, because some people are allergic to it. I was like, great. I was like, so we're agreed that a pharmaceutical product can cause an allergic reaction. Are you under some belief that vaccines don't have any element inside of them can cause an allergic reaction? Well, I don't know. I haven't thought about it. So let me take it a step further. If I filled a stadium full of people, I couldn't find a piece of food everyone could eat here, that someone's not going to have an allergic reaction. So everything has allergic reactions. So just the statement safe and effective is insane to begin with. But let's look at this product, shall we? Of all the things we would say is safe. I just interviewed Gavin de Becker, who wrote, has just written a great book on the. I forget what it's called right now, but about vaccine injury. But he, in his interview, he said, he says it in the book. This stuff is like, it's like Macbeth, right? The witches around the cauldron. And it's like eye of newt and toast of frog, you know, hair of bat and tongue of dog, you know, and you're like, wow, God, that's crazy. They just about described what's in a vaccine. We have DNA of dead babies in MMR and varicella. That is a fact. It's that we grow the virus on the cell lines of dead babies and in, you know, and I have a video I can show. We don't have time now of Stanley Plotkin, the leading godfather, admitting to not two abortions but 76 aborted babies that they used in science to develop the product by which they make vaccines on. They chopped up the tongues of the little babies born. They were 3 months gestation age and eyes and ears and toes and used that to try and figure out a substrate to grow the virus on monkey kidney cells, hamsters, worms, and then add in mercury. The second most toxic substance on earth finally has been outlawed from vaccines just now by Robert Kennedy Jr. As though. And you've had Paul Offit saying this is a safe form of mercury. It's like saying this is a safe form of, you know, of radiation, you know, of lead. Like, no, it's safe lead. It's safe lead and mercury. By the way, mercury is so much more toxic than lead. You know what I mean?
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A
And we're in the bloodstream.
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B
Polysorbate 80 formalda. I mean, this is the biggest witch's brew you've ever seen. So this better go through some wild safety testing to say that our bodies are designed to handle that. And yet, as we've proven now, an inconvenience study. What I think this film really shows is they have no science. And when you do science, all you see is we have made a catastrophic error with these products. Of all the things that we should have done blindly, this was not it. I think you're going to see this entire conversation really starting to change in a fast way. And thank God. I mean, Bobby can't do it alone. We the people have got to demand it. I mean, if we the people just don't believe it. And then Bobby tries to do this work at HHS that he needs to do. I mean, nothing in my film is lost on Bobby. We've been staring at the same science. He's been staring when he keeps saying, he keeps saying he's unqualified. He's been winning losses, lawsuits against chemical companies based on science. He's been protecting our waterways based on science, our air based on science. You know, he wins against scientists that work for the companies because he knows their science better than they do. And he can prove the jury, this stuff is killing us. What better person to have at hhs?
- [82:54]
A
Exactly. I mean, he's a hero. He's a true hero. And the people that are hating on him now will eventually be able to look back and know and see that. And I was gonna say, you know, for all the parents, like you said, I mean, all we need to start doing is just. We all say we're not doing this anymore. You know, I mean, if every child in California, if the parents just say, you know what? We're not doing this anymore. The schools are not going to be able to force them to because they're not going to have any kids in their schools. You know, so we need to all just band together and say no more.
- [83:21]
B
I think about that with COVID you know, people would say, you know, with COVID that, you know, I'm going to lose my job. I said, are you talking to everyone else you work With I work in a big company. I was like, you should start talking to everyone you work with. Because if we look at the national average, at least 30% of people are not getting the vaccine at all. 50% don't want to get it. So if you go and start talking instead of being quiet and hidden by yourself, there's 30% of you in your business right now are hiding in your own cubicles. If you find out each other exist, then go to your boss and say, hey, 30% of the companies all decided we're gonna walk out the door. If you force us to get this vaccine, that'll shut that company down. And by the way, a lot of people did do that. And those companies said, all right, mercy, we give up. We're not gonna force vaccinate you. We have to do that as a nation. Now, just like you said, how many people really want to be giving their kids 72 untested vaccines filled with aborted field DNA and hamsters and mercury.
- [84:19]
A
And mercury and aluminum and all the things I mean, want to. And I was going to say it's so crazy. So we're injecting mercury, but then pregnant women can't even eat tuna because it's too high in mercury.
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B
It's unbelievable.
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C
Crazy.
- [84:30]
B
Yeah.
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A
Well, we're going to have to wrap this up, but I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming on and talking about this. I mean, this is so mind blowing and I'm so grateful that this information is coming out because parents are more eager and hungry for this than ever. Everybody's looking for answers and they're looking for, yes, something to stand on essentially when they, when they try to, to go up to their school board or just simply their families and they're saying, we're not doing this anymore. And this is a great example of the reason why we are all saying no to this now. And we want to protect our children and we want to protect them from autism, the rising rates of chronic disease. And again, let's be very clear, you say this in the film too. You're like, you're not saying we know definitively that this is what's causing them, but we are saying that we don't have the science to prove which way or another. And it's looking like this way. And we need to actually do the studies in order to really make, make sure that this is what's happening.
- [85:20]
B
That's, it's why an inconvenience study. If you just go to an inconveniencestudy.com, the movie's for free. Share it with everyone. You know this I all I care about my nonprofit is funded and made this happen. Make your own opinion. I'm not trying to. You know, the film tries to be. You know, one of the things I really love is people say about it. I didn't feel like it was beating me over the head. I think it's why it worked for your father. It really just lays out the evidence as we found it. In many ways, it's like my last seven years of investigation in under 90 minutes. A very short, powerful film. I really believe everyone should watch it and share it. I'd like to hear. I think we're now past. We're well past 25 million people watching it on our way to 100 million. I'd love to hear billions of people saw it because I think this is the most important conversation of our lifetime. I think so. We've made a tragic error. We are killing off our species. We're making our kids sick. We're destroying our fertility. And if at the heart of it was a product our government was making us do, our schools were making us do, we have to stand up together very loudly and say, we're not going to take it anymore.
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A
No more. All right, everyone go watch the film. It is incredible. Thank you so much for coming on. This was awesome.
- [86:30]
B
Thank you for having me.
- [86:32]
A
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