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What You Eat Could Be Fueling Cancer, Is Big Food The New Big Tobacco | Grace Price
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Courtney Swan
On today's episode of the Real Foodology.
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Grace Price
Podcast, with cancer specifically and a lot of these other diseases, it comes down to they're trying to spread the message that it's out of your control.
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Courtney Swan
Yes.
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Grace Price
The minute it's in your control, then that means you are suddenly outside of their control.
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Unknown
Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology podcast. As always, I'm your host, Courtney Swan. I'm here in Austin and today I interviewed Grace Price. You may recognize her name. She is the 18 year old. Yes, 18 year old girl that I spoke at the Senate with. And I am just in awe of this woman. She created a documentary about cancer. It's called Cancer a Foodborne Illness. It has almost 5 million views on Twitter. So I highly recommend going and watching it. It's free. It's like 23 minutes. And her story is really cool. So like I said, She's 18, which I cannot get over. I cannot wrap my brain around it because I, at 18, was getting drunk with my friends. I was not thinking about things like cancer or trying to save the world. But here she is. She dove into the research. It starts with a sad story. Her grandpa actually got cancer and passed away. And she would not accept that. The doctors were just saying, oh, it's just bad luck. Like, oh, he got a stroke of bad luck. She decided, no, I think that there's more to this and I want to learn how I can do everything I can to prevent getting cancer. And she dove on this journey of interviewing doctors like Thomas Seyfried, who I had on the podcast recently. Highly recommend going back and listening to that episode. He's a Boston professor who has amazing breakthrough research on cancer. He was in this documentary. Kali Means was in the documentary. Some really amazing experts, doctors, thought leaders. And she takes us on a journey of learning what she learned about the corruption and the collusion of big pharma and big food and the medical system and how they're not telling us everything that we know about cancer. Genetics only play a very small role in it. And there's a epigenetic component happening here where your genes may play a small role, but it's your environment, it's the things that you're exposed to, it's your daily diet, it's the things that you're drinking every day that really have the ability to move the needle. So this was an amazing episode. I hope you guys love it. If you could take a moment to rate and review the podcast, it would mean so much to me. It really, really does. It helps this show so much. Like more than you can even imagine. If you're loving this particular episode, if you want to share the videos that we created that I put on Instagram, or if you want to just simply share a screenshot, let your your community know that you loved the episode. Tag Me reelfoodology and ealthoodology Podcast. Your support means so much and it really, truly it means everything. Like without you guys I wouldn't be here. So thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for supporting and I hope that you love the episode.
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Courtney Swan
Thanks.
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Unknown
Bye guys.
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
Grace, I'm so excited to have you on podcast today.
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Grace Price
Excited to be here.
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Unknown
Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. Yeah, when I booked this in Austin, I was like, I have to get Grace on. You and I both. Oh yeah, we both spoke at the Senate recently, which was incredible. And I also listened to your. So I actually heard your podcast episode on Alex Clark. Oh yeah, yeah. Before I even met you. And then when I saw you on the lineup for speaking at Senate, I was like, oh my God, that's the girl. The 18 year old girl who I listened to on Alex Clark's podcast. And your story is so incredible. So you created a documentary about cancer. It's called Cancer Foodborne illness. And I just checked it on X yesterday and it has 4.8 million views.
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Grace Price
Yeah. So it. I, I mean, none of that was expected. Like, if you would have asked me when I was in high school, hey, do you think the documentary that dreaming of and working so hard to put together would gain that much traction? I was like, well, I just hope the story really resonates because honestly, I couldn't think of any other way to put all of the mind boggling information out that I had learned on my health journey, which I think a lot of people can relate to because, you know, once you open up the Pandora's box, it all comes flooding out and Suddenly you're questioning everything and you realize how broken the entire system is and how many lies we've been told. So the goal of the documentary was just to be that for people, even though it's only like 23 minutes in total. So I. Yeah, I'm really glad that it seemed to resonate with people on.
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Unknown
X. Oh, my gosh, it was. And it was so well done. I was like, you're 18 years old and you created a documentary. I mean, I told you this before we started filming, and I probably shouldn't be admitting this, but, like, when I was 18, I was getting drunk with my friends, like, and you're over here creating a cancer documentary. I mean, it's truly. It's incredible. And the information was amazing. You had people like Thomas Seyfried on there, who. His work is incredible. I had him on a podcast recently.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Oh, and he's so good. So I want to know, you set out to find out what's happening with cancer, and what did you find?
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Grace Price
Well, I found a lot of stuff. You know, I think that cancer is often left untouched by most people when they just try to think about what even causes this disease because they think it's too complex. They think, you know, one day maybe we'll have a cure. And they think that it's ultimately out of their control, just genetic or arises from random somatic mutations that you can't do much about. And so I think that when it comes to just people's approach to the disease, that is pretty common. And for my documentary, I went and I interviewed people on the street and I said, what do you think the number one cause of cancer is? Every time they were like, genetics, genetics. You know, if your parents have the disease, I guess that that means you're more likely to have it. A couple of times people like, I don't know, I don't even wanna think about. You know, it's just. That's kind of what the disease has become. But I think it also is a reflection of how we approach chronic diseases in general in this second age of medicine, which is we're trying to treat something chronic as if it's acute. Like, we are trying to create a pill for this illness that'll solve everything. And that's just not the best way to do it. You know, prevention is the best cure you will ever find when comes to something that's a chronic disease. If it's something like you broke your elbow, then yes, okay, go get a cast and you'll heal. But this is much Much deeper. So we need to shift into a third age medicine that I think is gonna be focused on preventative, personalized healthcare.
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Unknown
Yes. Oh, and I was so. I was blown away by that segment. And there was not a single person that said anything about diet and lifestyle. And I was really shocked by that.
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Grace Price
It's crazy. It was crazy. And. And considering the group of people I was asking too. I mean, I live in downtown Austin. I was on Second Street. There's a Sweet Greens there and stuff. And these are just people walking around, and that's still what people believe.
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Unknown
So let's talk about this, because clearly a lot of people still think that genetics plays a much larger role in cancer than it actually does. So what's your opinion and what did you find out in the film as far as, like, how much do genetics really actually play a role in cancer?
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Grace Price
Yeah, no, that's a great question. And I don't want to come off as saying genetics don't play any role because I think oftentimes I talk so much about the metabolic origin of the disease that people are like, oh, well, you know, that's like, wrong. You're discounting genetics. That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm obviously not a doctor, I am not even a college graduate, but I am really, really passionate about biochemistry. And I think that. But if you immerse yourself in the science and really try to dig deep into what the hallmarks of cancer are, so what we observe amongst all kinds of tumors and what really drives the disease, oftentimes it's not genetics. It seems to be lifestyle factors in our environment that lead to a chronic inflammation that then causes our cell to be damaged, and most importantly, our mitochondria to lose their integrity. And when they lose their integrity, I mean, I think Dr. Casey means does a wonderful job explaining this in her book Good Energy. But that is our. That's our source of life and energy, like our mitochondria, it goes so much deeper. Like, even if you just look at how we acquired mitochondria, like, they have their own DNA, they are functioning within ourselves as their own beings, and we're not taking care of them. And so when you look at that, I mean, and Professor Seyfried has done work on this as well, the metabolic origin of the disease, which is that our mitochondria get damaged and then everything goes downhill from there. Our cells stop using oxidative phosphorylation for producing ATP, which yields up to like, 38 ATP, and instead they start Using aerobic glycolysis, which yields up to, like, two ATP per glucose molecule. So way less efficient for an energy source. But our mitochondria are clearly not able to do their normal metabolism, and so we end up falling back onto that. And then that's why these cancer cells have such a desire for glucose and all this. So it gets really deep and complex. And there are other metabolic pathways, too, like the glutaminolysis pathway that these cells can use, but it seems to have to do with our environment, like it really does. And there's even a study in the National Institute of Health that that says that 90 to 95% of cancer cases are caused by environmental or lifestyle factors.
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Unknown
Wow.
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Grace Price
This is a legit study. Like, I'm not just pulling this out of my pants, you know? And I found this, and I was like, how are people not talking about this? That only leaves 5 to 10% for genetics.
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Unknown
Exactly. And you just said, how are people not talking about this? And you so beautifully laid this out in your documentary about how our food system and our medical system have all been captured by corporate interest. And I think think that's playing a large role in people being kept in the dark, because we are told by these regulatory bodies that it's all genetics. There's nothing you can do about it. And then meanwhile, they're also telling us that just eat the food pyramid.
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Grace Price
Oh, yeah.
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Unknown
You know, and. And you'll be fine and you're gonna be healthy. And it's actually been the complete opposite.
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Grace Price
Total opposite.
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Unknown
So. Yeah. So tell my audience a little bit about what you found when you were digging into this, like, how deep the corruption really goes.
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Grace Price
It's honestly terrifying. And I consider myself just a radical optimist. I think it's important to look for the best in people and in experiences in life. And it was really depressing seeing how deep the corruption flows. I think the most depressing part is that anyone would ever wish or neglect the fact that the repercussions of them putting profit over public health is someone laying in a hospital bed because they were diagnosed with cancer or someone getting a limb removed because they have type 2 diabetes or someone who is now completely deteriorating mentally because they have Alzheimer's. That is the reality of what the corruption is doing. Like, I don't want it to just seem like I'm trying to call out corruption because it's morally wrong, which it is.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
But it's like, what is the cost of their corporate greed? And that's the cost. And I think people can pretty unanimously agree that that is terrifying. Like, no one wants to have to experience that. No one wants their loved one to experience that. Their friends, their co workers. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. And so for these people to even have a slight awareness that that is what these foods can lead to, that's just absolutely disgusting to me.
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
I totally agree. I was talking about this on another podcast with somebody yesterday that it's, you know, it's to this point where people's lives when, when you have companies that are this large, you have these corporations, their lives become just a number on Excel sheet. Yep. They're not actually thinking about them as human beings, as a dad, a mom, you know, somebody's child. And that's the unfortunate reality of it. And I know it's really scary for people to hear, but I also think that it's. It. In a way, I almost find it empowering to know that just because now that I know this, I can act accordingly and do whatever I can to protect myself from this system. You know, and there was one thing that you, you pointed out that I really want my listeners to hear because this is crazy. So there. There was a 95 percentage of the 2020 U.S. dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee had conflicts with Big Food and Big Pharma. 95% of them. I actually meant to look this up. I want to know what it's like now in 2024. I think I've actually read that it went down a little bit because people are calling this out so much. But that's insane.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
So how. Okay, let's talk about. I want to dive into. I mean, I have so many questions to ask you right now that I'm like, what direction I want to take this next. So when we were talking in the Senate.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
You said that ultra processed foods are the new cigarette for your generation. So we've just outlined everything so far that you've found that we've been lied to about what's really happening with cancer. There's a lot of colluding happening. And now we're finding out that ultra processed foods are really making us sick.
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Grace Price
They are. Yeah.
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Unknown
So can you talk about that?
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Grace Price
Yeah. I mean, they're making us so sick. And what I think is so fascinating about ultra processed foods is it seems as though we are repeating exactly what happened in the 20th century with tobacco. And whether you want to acknowledge the fact that big tobacco literally bought big food companies back in the 1980s, like Kellogg's and Kraft, and rolled out all of their different methods for creating highly palatable, addicting foods and then exited in 2001. That's. That's a pretty direct connection. You know, if I would, I would say so. Once they lost cigarettes as their main source of profit, and when you look at what the cigarette industry did with kids and how they targeted them, it almost. It. I mean, it almost looks exactly the same as what we're seeing with kids in ultra processed foods now. They would put signs that were marketing things like Camels at the eye level of children because they knew they could try to get them to go and buy the cigarettes, get addicted, you know, and kids. Kids don't have as much willpower either. Like, they were targeting the. I mean, honestly, like, just the less strong mentally and physically and kind of the weaker links of society by doing that.
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Unknown
The most vulnerable.
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Grace Price
Exactly. Most vulnerable. And so when you see that and then you see that, you know, there was a study that came out that dietitians on TikTok were paid off by General Mills to promote cereal as healthy. So they're using their credibility to then get teens, which. All my friends are on TikTok, I can tell you that for sure, Courtney. Like, that is where they live to get them to say, oh, yeah, cereal's great. And I will mention this as well. It's gotten to the point too, where they're trying to make it also political, where they say, if you ask, like, hey, is it okay for me to want to go on a diet? People are like, oh, no, no, no. Like, that is body shaming. If you say that cereal is bad, you are food shaming, and you need to instead, you know, listen to your innate desire for what you want to eat. You know what your innate desire is when you're eating sugar all day? Eat more freaking sugar. That's not what you need to be listening to.
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Unknown
Exactly. You're addicted to it.
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Grace Price
It's crazy.
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Unknown
It really is starting to feel insidious because you have all these people of, you know, of moral authority. You know, they're experts in the field, quote unquote. Right, they're experts. But I say quote unquote because. So I actually talk about this a lot. I was on the track to be a registered dietitian, and I actually left the program because I was seeing that the program was being funded. They were getting funding from Coca Cola, General Mills. I believe they get funding from Pepsi now. And I was like, I don't want to do this. This is a direct conflict of interest.
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Grace Price
It is. Yeah.
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Unknown
Like, what are we doing here? And then we have them going online, like you said, and shaming people saying like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's not body positive to want to go on a diet. It's unhealthy. You're going to develop an eating disorder. I hear this all the time. They say, gonna, I'm gonna give people eating disorders for telling them to eat real food.
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Grace Price
Isn't that crazy?
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Unknown
It's crazy.
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Grace Price
It's like they don't realize that. Sure, maybe you don't. Like, I never try to advocate for specific diets because I think that's it. People can decide that for themselves.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
But what we're advocating for is let's get this poison out of our meals every day. Like, it's. It's not even a question of whether your diet should include this toxic stuff. Like, you can make more personalized health decisions down the line once you get the fake stuff out. Like, it has to be choosing from real food initially because that's the problem.
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Unknown
Is that we're now consuming. I can't remember the exact percentage. Maybe, you know, but I think it's like up to 75% of most people. Yes. 75% of most people's diet is ultra processed foods, which is fake food. That's not even real food. It's fake.
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Grace Price
It's fake. Exactly.
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Unknown
And we're. What we're doing is we're hijacking people's palates. I mean, I. I've told this story so many times, and I think it's very resonant in this particular conversation. I was at a film festival last year. Yeah. And they. Handing out candy for free. They're like, going down the aisles being like, you guys want this candy? And I was like, oh, my gosh, I love Reese's Pieces. I haven't had these since I was a kid. I literally had not had them since I was a kid. And I was like, give me one, I'll try one. You know, like, I spit it out. It tasted so fake to me.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Because I don't eat that kind of stuff anymore. And I'm not even being dramatic. I was like, this tastes like chemicals to me.
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Grace Price
Okay. That's so funny that you had that experience because I've had something super similar where, like, I'm pretty strict like you on eating processed stuff. And I was. I think I was with my niece and we were trick or treating for Halloween with her, and she. She gave me like a Kit Kat or something. I was like, I used to love these when I was little. Like, it's my favorite. It tastes like plastic. I'm like, what? This is nasty.
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Unknown
Like, yeah, it.
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Grace Price
You literally can taste the chemicals when you go without something like that for so long. And that's why I think the question really comes down to how do you get people, consumers, to change the market by ultimately getting this stuff out of their diet, stop buying it for a prolonged period of time. Like, I really think we have the ability to do bottom up change as much as top down change is important, which you and I are really into. All the talking on it. Working on it right now, guys.
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Unknown
Yeah, it's interesting. I was actually at a, like, a little documentary film premiere last night, and Callie was in the documentary, and he spoke on a panel afterwards, and this was a topic of conversation because a lot of people are saying, like, this is a huge debate that's happening right now in our world where a lot of people in this world lean a little bit more conservatively. They're very concerned about their freedom. They don't wanna feel like everything's being controlled by the government. And I think you and I are very eye to eye in all of this.
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Grace Price
I agree.
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Unknown
However, there is a fine line of. If we know that there are things in our food supply that are harming people and making them severely addicted, and there are so many people that are unaware of this. There's accessibility issues because a lot of this food is literally being pushed out to food deserts. And it's in all the convenience stores and it's in the airports. Like, it's everywhere. That at what point do we draw the line of saying, okay, we have to intervene here and protect our human population? Because we are literally going to extinct ourselves if we don't do something about them.
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Grace Price
Yes. Yeah, we're already, you know, the, the people who are trying to try out for the military. Like we are seeing just less, less competent humans being made out of this. And that's why it's so important. Like, like with Gen Z. Yes, we are very sick right now. You know, like pre diabetes, non alcoholic fatty liver disease, all these kinds of things. One in five of us being obese, this kind of stuff. But we also have a unique opportunity to be the first generation to prevent these diseases with what we know right now. It goes both ways. And so if we can really just hop on this and get all of my peers to start eating differently, then we can be known as one of the generations that lives the longest. Like it's, it's not set in stone yet. But we have to educate and spread awareness so that people feel like they can start making choices for themselves instead of simply just following what these big food companies ultimately want you to.
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Unknown
Yep. And that's why education is such a huge part of this because people need to understand that their, that our system has been co opted by large corporations that don't have our health.
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Grace Price
Exactly.
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Unknown
Mind.
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Grace Price
No.
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Unknown
You know, and that's how you become immune to all this marketing too. Because actually I wanted to, to mention something earlier. So you were making that correlation between big tobacco and big food.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Now I'm, I'm old enough to remember. I remember the camel ads because I was old enough and they were cartoon like they would make like cartoon camels.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
And it's so interesting now because now you see Fast forward to 2024 and what we've been doing recently. So yesterday or two days ago, I went with Vani Hari, Callie means a bunch of people to Michigan because we were protesting Kellogg's to stop marketing their cereal with artificial dyes in it to children. And the reason why they keep those artificial dyes in America, they have admitted this is because they have done studies to show that this food dye actually makes the kids want to eat more of it because they're attracted to it. And then also so it's so predatory, they're putting things like baby shark and their favorite Disney character on the label. And it just, it's exactly the same as like Campbell doing the cartoons. Now we're just using the cartoons to sell the cereal.
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Grace Price
Exactly.
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Unknown
And making it super bright because they're young and attracted to it. And it's.
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Grace Price
Yep. No, and it's. And you're making Such a great point. And again, like it's, I don't understand why we wouldn't treat these foods any different than we would with big tobacco and getting cigarettes. I mean that's a toxic, carcinogenic thing that people were consuming. And yes, ultra processed foods, like there's a wide variety of them, there's a lot of companies, but we have to treat it the same way. It's. Yeah, it's, it's so important. And like you were saying with the ads towards the children, I mean they, kids are just seeing this stuff, they see the bright colors and that, that is like, that is what they love. And so they love the food, they love the character. What kid is going to say no to that?
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Unknown
Did you know that most cookware and.
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
Just clean and minimal.
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
Exactly.
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Grace Price
Like no kid in their right mind is going to say no to that ever. And so, so yeah, it's really, really frustrating what's happening. And I think that what y'all are doing with Kellogg's is honestly like so great. And what we got to do at the Senate because when you look at what really changed the game for big tobacco is when the surgeon general came out and wrote the entire overview on tobacco and health. And if we could get something like that, that with ultra processed foods and health, where it stopped being considered pseudoscience to try to draw any kind of correlative link between these ultra processed foods and chronic diseases, which it is, that really bothers me as well. You know, like nutrition science. Yes, it's not the greatest. You know, we don't have the best quality studies, some would say, and there's a lot of contradicting studies. But you also have to realize there's contradictions because there are some studies that are consistently showing the same thing and there are other studies that are funded by these companies that have a conclusion that is in their best interest.
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Unknown
Exactly.
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Grace Price
And so, yes, it makes sense that there's contradictions because some people are simply observing, I mean, whether you want to call it truth or call it just the most probable outcome, which is the effect that these foods can have. And then others are trying to counter that, that by creating these false and confusing conclusions that then make it so hard for even the health informed American to figure out what you're supposed to eat. Because you're like, oh, one day red meat is good, the next day red meat is bad. Which is it? Carbs are good. Oh, no, they're bad. And so it's like, how do you make these choices?
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Unknown
Yeah, well, and then we have, I mean, it's essentially, I want to call it, it's not a nonprofit, but what would you call the American Cancer Society? Because, oh gosh, I'm thinking about it right now where it's like, yeah, they're not a Governing body. And in fact, like, in order to get that American Heart association stamp on a box, companies just pay a licensing fee for that. There's just a licensing company. And you found something really interesting. I don't know if you will remember the stats. I won't put you on the spot for that, but 1.9 million was donated.
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Grace Price
To Cancer Society from Coca Cola. Yep. No, that one I know by heart, because it's just crazy. And. And you can find that for other companies. American Heart Association, American Diabetes Associate, literally all of these different places, like it's. They accept from General Mills, Kellogg's, PepsiCo, Coca Cola, Nestle, all these names we've heard they will accept funds from. And you just cannot. It does not take a lawyer to know that that means there is conflict of interest. There just is. Because if you're getting your money from them, you're gonna want to make them happy because you want to keep getting money from them. And it can.
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Unknown
It's genius, honestly.
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Grace Price
It really is. And I don't want to come off as saying like, oh, the American Cancer Society doesn't care about cancer patients. I think they can and I think they do maybe in some instances, but they are just completely neglecting the fact that a lot of early onset cancer cases right now, which have risen by 79% in the past three decades, are tied to diet. And even in the articles that are weary of pointing towards ultra processed foods, say doctors are a little concerned with the prevalent ultra processed food consumption and think that it might have to do with the rise in cancer. That's the phrasing they use, Courtney. That's the phrasing they use. But that's the most we've gotten so far. And so, I mean, that's like progress in my mind. And it's even like I was talking about earlier. I mean, with cancer specifically and a lot of these other diseases, it comes down to they're trying to spread the message that it's out of your control. So the minute it's in your control, then that means you are suddenly outside of their control when it comes to what foods you're gonna buy. And really with the whole metabolic origin of these diseases disease, when you say that your mitochondrial health is important, you're suddenly saying that sugar, seed oils, chemical additives, emulsifiers, artificial dyes are enemies to you because you're now identifying with the health of your entire body's source of energy. And so you're saying, I need good energy. And so you gotta get rid of the stuff that's gonna give you bad energy. And even with cancer, it blows my mind that you see these headlining articles of people winning Nobel peace. Not no sorry, Nobel prizes for all of these different gene therapies. And then you have doctors like Dr. Thomas Seyfried working so hard to show that. Recently, There was a study, 60, 60 women who had either premenopausal or menopausal breast cancer were put on the ketogenic diet. And they either were doing it in. In pairing with chemotherapy or without. And the group that did the ketogenic diet paired with chemotherapy had significantly reduced tumor size compared to the group on just chemotherapy. Like these studies, no one talks about it, gets no publicity. But then when you go get a PET scan, if you have cancer, they use a radioactive form of glucose that they put inside your body to measure where the tumor is, because they understand that these cells consume more sugar. So they' they'll acknowledge that. And they won't acknowledge the fact that the Warburg effect, which we've known forever, is really, really common in these cancer cells. And they will accept funds from coca cola, which is sugar water, but they'll say, oh, no, no, no, that doesn't cause cancer. But we're just gonna use a analog of sugar to try to track where this thing is, because it seems to like sugar a lot. Crazy.
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Unknown
And then you come out into the lobby and they offer you a basket of candy or a donut or a cookie.
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Grace Price
They give you boost or ensure 37 grams of sugar. Right there, there.
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Unknown
So insane what is happening right now? And people are scared to speak out because these large corporations have a lot of money. They will lose their funding. They'll lose their research funding. These doctors won't get their money from the prescription drugs anymore. I mean, like, it's so deep.
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Grace Price
So deep. Yeah.
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Unknown
Oh, okay. So I want to dive into how bad is processed food, and what would you say maybe is one of the worst fake foods that somebody can consume?
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Grace Price
Okay, that's a great question. When it comes to how bad they are, I mean, these things are pretty awful. There's a wide variety of issues with them. But I try to create more generalized, overarching categories because I think most people aren't going to go and read the nutrition label. And if they do, it's really confusing because there's words that you've never even heard of. Like, you know, you can't even pronounce these things. And that's how you know how far we've fallen from real food. But I think some. Some really Bad things that we do need to avoid. One is seed oils. I think that the issue with seed oils is that it's. I mean, if you just think of it from a chemistry point of view, you don't want to consume something that is rancid, you know, and seed oils just have a very high percentage. The only thing that differentiates them from things like extra virgin olive oil, beef tallow, or avocado oil is that they have a higher percentage of polyunsaturated fat fatty acids. And these are just more reactive than a saturated fatty acid. And so what they're gonna do. Exactly, they're unstable. So what they're gonna do is if you heat them at really high temperatures, which, whenever you make these seed oils, you can literally look up on YouTube how canola oil is made, watch the whole process. You will not want to eat it after it looks like poop. Like, literally. I'm not joking. And then they heat it to such a high temperature that so. So these fatty acids, I mean, they're getting oxidized completely and turning into rancid byproducts that are toxic. And then they have to deodorize it because it smells, because they were rancid once. And that is the process of making these oils. And then they get put on our shelves. We use them, we cook them at high temperatures again. Or even worse, if you get it from a fast food restaurant. You know, I talk about this in my documentary. There was a study done in England where they measured the average amount of. I think it was aldehydes or formaldehydes within a large thing of french fries, and it was equivalent to that of 25 cigarettes. Because these toxic oils, whenever they are heated at such high temperature, can produce all of these really toxic byproducts. So we shouldn't be eating that. If you see any of these eight, you know, it's. There's a great source for this, is if you go to Dr. Kate Shanahan's website, she has a list called the Hateful Eight. Yeah, exactly. Like, print it out, put it on your fridge, and just know when you go grocery shopping, like, that is one thing. The next thing is there's a lot of really bad stuff with just the amount of carbohydrates and sugars in these foods. Like, the amount of carbohydrates in the foods has increased over time, for one. And, you know, the agricultural side of it, I mean, these are the most subsidized foods. All of these grains and corn. That is what we are Choosing to monocrop and just put so many pesticides, herbicides, all that kind of bad stuff in it. And so I found that, like avoiding as many carbs, you can kind of avoid inherently a lot of these bad chemicals that are used when you're growing them. And also you can make sure that you're not keeping your body in a hyperglycemic state. I think a lot of of us are spiking our glucose all day and we don't even realize it. That's why it's great that we have CGMs now. Like, everyone should understand their data and really see just, whoa, I'm waking up in the morning and I am spiking immediately because I'm eating dessert for breakfast. But people don't view bread and typical grains like that. They view maybe like cereal like that, even though they still eat it. But, yeah, that's another very helpful change of framework. Like, oh, okay, I don't actually need to have 80% of my daily intake be from carbs. I can actually have more fat and protein, healthy fat, like saturated fat, and I can reduce that a little bit, and I will probably be better off.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah.
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Unknown
And you know what's so interesting? I talk about this all the time, and I'm sure you know this too, but if. If you're just carb loading all day and you're constantly spiking your blood sugar going up and down all day, you're going to be way more hungry. You're not going to be satisfied. You're just going to be ending up, you know, snacking and eating all day. Versus when you cycle. Yeah. Versus when you have protein and fat. It actually helps to slow that whole process down. It also makes you satisfied and full. It keeps you satisfied and full for longer. So you go for longer periods of time without just feeling like you're just ravenous all day every day and just chowing on carbs all day.
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Grace Price
Exactly, exactly.
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Unknown
And we're not even vilifying carbohydrates here. I think they play a very healthy role in a diet. But it's so crazy that we have a food pyramid that told us that we needed 12 servings a day of grains and bread.
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Grace Price
Crazy. It's crazy.
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Unknown
And then everybody's scratching their heads now wondering why we're all dealing with an obesity epidemic. It's like, hello, Hello. We haven't.
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Grace Price
Take a look here.
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Unknown
Yeah. We haven't been eating foods that have been satisfying us.
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Grace Price
No, no.
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Unknown
It's so wild. And I'm so glad that you brought up that study because I was going to ask you about the cigarettes comparison to French fries. Yeah, because I heard about this. Actually, the first time I heard about this was Dave Asprey.
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Courtney Swan
Yep.
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Unknown
He's great. He's amazing. And I love it because now I always tell my friends, like, when people are eating French fries out, I'm like, y'all, this is worse than smoking cigarettes. You might as well just have a cigarette right now.
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Grace Price
Get a cig right now. Oh. Oh, my gosh, Courtney, I have to tell you, I. I went onto UT campus and I had a pack of Camels. This didn't make the cut for the documentary, but it was really fun to do. And I went up college students, and I was like, so would you smoke this whole pack if I gave it to you right now? And they were like, no. And they'd have their chick Fil A French fries in their hand. They'd have their p Terries. And I was like, really? Would you eat that whole thing of French fries right now? And they're like, well, yeah, I'm about to.
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Unknown
Like.
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Grace Price
They'd be like. One guy was like, you want one?
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Unknown
I was like, no, I'm good.
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Grace Price
I'm good. And listen here, buddy, because I'm about to tell you why. And. And I would tell them, like, it's. This is the same thing. If anything, it's worse, actually. When you look at the half life of the polyunsaturated fatty acids and that they're getting stored in your cells. Phospholipid bilayer for up to two years. Up to two years, you have these things causing chronic inflammation. That's terrifying. Versus the cigarette. I think I measured it and it was maybe like, if you were to be smoking and then you quit, it lasts up to like a year or even six months. So it's. It's crazy to me that.
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Unknown
And I hate that I even have to say this. Obviously all. We are not advocating for smoking, okay? Like, don't get it twisted.
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Grace Price
We're not trying to undo the whole cigarette thing. We're just trying to add to. We're trying to say, like, push aside the cigs.
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Unknown
And. And. Exactly. And let me be clear. I eat French fries. In fact, I was so excited, I went to this restaurant recently where I found French fries that were fried in beef tall aloe. Not only do they taste better, where was I? I was traveling and I think I was in. Oh, my God. I'll send it to you afterwards. And guys, I'll add it to show notes. I have been Traveling so much recently that I'm trying to remember where that was. I have to look at my calendar. I literally have to look at my calendar.
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Grace Price
I'm looking forward to it, though.
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Unknown
Yeah. But I've been finding a lot of places recently that have this. Oh, my gosh.
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Courtney Swan
Okay.
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Unknown
I remember it was in Phoenix.
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Grace Price
Okay.
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Unknown
With Alex Clark. And it was a place called the End.
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Grace Price
Oh, the Ends.
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Unknown
And it's a seed oil free restaurant.
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Grace Price
Nice.
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Unknown
And they had beef tallow fries on the menu. And I was like, we are getting the fries.
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Grace Price
That is amazing.
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Unknown
That makes me so happy. So I love French fries. They're one of my favorite things to eat. They're my total kryptonite. But I will not eat them out anymore because of this. Yeah. So I want my listeners to know this crazy fact. What do you. Okay, so what do Clorox and Twinkies have in common?
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Grace Price
Okay, so this was also really crazy to me. I think that Twinkies are a great example of quintessential ultra process as food. There's 37 ingredients in that thing. You know, all of which are mainly just chemicals. And that's the truth. Like I said, view it like chemistry. You know, there are chemicals in here that are used to maintain the shelf life of the product, trying to bind, you know, the oils and the water within it like an emulsifier. It's that much of an experiment. It really is what you're eating. And Twinkies, actually, one of the ingredients within the Twinkie, the flour, the way that it's bleached, they use a similar chlorine to what is used within Clorox. And so that's like the flour that you're consuming is being bleached by something that is not that different from chlorine gas. I mean, isn't that crazy?
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Unknown
You know what makes me really mad about this? And it's the same reason I'm really mad about the artificial food dyes. There is no reason whatsoever that we need this in our food. It's not like it's preserving it. It's not like it's stabilizing it. It is simply there for cosmetic value so that the Twinkie can look a little bit whiter.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Why do we care? But this is what makes me so mad, is the food industry has decided that we care so much that our food needs to look perfect and shiny and the brightest white and the brightest blue and like.
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Grace Price
Like.
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Unknown
And there's no value for it. And in fact, not only is there no value for it, but it's also poisoning us.
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Grace Price
It is, it's poison. It's poisoning us. It's, it's a lose, lose in every situation.
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Unknown
It's so insane what's happening. So, okay, you and the age that you're. You being 18 and being such a voice and an advocate for this movement, I have to tell you, gives me so much hope. Seriously. Because I, I said earlier, I think about where I was at when I was 18. One, I didn't really know any of this stuff. Like I, I ate healthy because of my mom, but I didn know what you knew and I could have saved myself a lot of grief, a lot of weight gain when I was younger.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
And I love so much that you're speaking out about this because you're really a voice for your generation and it gives me a lot of hope. So what it's kind of a two part question. First of all, what are you seeing as a response right now with your peers in your age group and how do you think we can get more of them on board with this messaging?
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Grace Price
Yeah, I've really been thinking hard about this because it's. How do you get people to care about a cause? Right. That's, that's the real question. Teens seem to care about things like climate change and other big world issues. But I think that the main problem is when you don't see change happening pretty fast and instead you just feel the weight of the world on your shoulders, which I think my generation has had to face with social media being, I mean, a huge part of our lives. Like we, we are feeling the weight of the problems of the world world because we're connected to the whole world right now.
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Unknown
Well, especially with TikTok, you guys have more access to information than.
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Grace Price
Exactly. And some of it I had at that age, some of it, you know, we want to make sure people also know how to properly think strategically about what they believe is true or not and not just believe everything they see. But it's, it can be really discouraging and I don't think the answer is to come off as, look, we're screwed. Basically. Like everything is set against us Right now within the food industry, it's really hard to figure out what to eat and like it takes a lot of effort because that, that is the case. But I think that if we can empower teens to switch from instead of just consuming content to actually creating content about this issue issue and feel the, feel the anger of being lied to and want to rebel, we need some angry teens. Like, let's bring back, you know, let's bring back all of the people in the 70s that were really mad about the wars and stuff. Like, I want that kind of energy because I think that it's possible to be both angry and an activist and informed. I don't think you can. You're either Greta Thunberg or you're a scientist. I think you can be both. And I think that right now we need both. We need people who are thinking clearly and are reacting to realizing what is truly going on. And that reaction needs to be a call to action. It needs to be change. And so I. I think that I'm right now currently working on this app idea. I have to get Target teens at the local level in schools, because I like, when I see school lunches, you know, I'm like, oh, that's an easy one.
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Unknown
Like, kids fix that, like, overnight.
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Grace Price
Exactly. Kids sit with their friends at school. Enough adults don't see what. How bad the USDA is doing with school lunches. They need to see that. Like, I. I post one photo of a school lunch that one of my friends sends me from public school, instantly goes viral on X. Because people just don't realize that's how bad it is, especially when you put it next to what people are served in Europe. And so I think that if we can get teens to take photos of their school lunch, I'm creating an AI that'll analyze this. It'll tell you, based on the foods included in the meal, a prediction for how many years would be taken off your life if you were to consume that once a week for two years, five years, 10 years. So trying to create more of a mindset about chronic, you know, what is going to happen chronically if you consume this a lot. Also give it a cigarette score. So, like a cancer score, you know, like, this is. Cause it's one thing that's hard is it's like, yes, you can tell a teen they're gonna get cancer if they eat French fries. Do they believe they're gonna live forever also? Yes. Even if you tell them that, I know. Cause they're just like, yolo, you know? And you can still be yolo. And you can also be like, hey, I want to live forever, so let's get some of this bad stuff out of our food, you know? And, yeah, it's playing. It's toying with ideas like that to see how you can encourage teens feel like they are making an impact on an issue that they're educated on and get upset about.
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Unknown
Okay, this is brilliant. And I've never thought about it like this before, but the rebellious aspect is so brilliant because I. I was. It was taking me back to when I was, you know, an angsty 18 year old and I wanted to do everything opposite of what I was told to do.
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Grace Price
Exactly. Yeah.
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Unknown
Right?
- [55:06]
Grace Price
Yeah.
- [55:06]
Unknown
And so it's like I'm still there. Honestly, some shout out to my dad, but yeah, I love that. So if we can appease to that, where we can create enough like, of a healthy anger where they're like, you know what? We have been lied to. We've been screwed over like our generation. Because I will tell you, I believe my generation and your generation have been the most screwed in this.
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Grace Price
Oh, totally.
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Unknown
Totally.
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Grace Price
Are the most screwed.
- [55:31]
Unknown
All of my friends are dealing with infertility issues. Everyone I know, every single woman I know has an autoimmune disorder of some kind.
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Grace Price
Yeah, it's what you and Alex were talking about.
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Unknown
Exactly.
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Grace Price
It's crazy.
- [55:42]
Unknown
Insane. So if we can create this movement behind of like f you guys for doing this to us and setting us up with this, we're done. Yes, we're done.
- [55:51]
Grace Price
That's it. Like, we are done with you unless you change. Yeah.
- [55:55]
Courtney Swan
Yes.
- [55:56]
Grace Price
So let's. Okay, Courtney, we're gonna brainstorm after this.
- [55:58]
Unknown
We need to do. We need to start a movement of rebellious. Start it.
- [56:01]
Grace Price
Let's start. I'll get it.
- [56:04]
Unknown
I'm so here for it.
- [56:05]
Grace Price
We're gonna take the glove seriously.
- [56:08]
Unknown
I love it. You mentioned something else about climate change, and I want to point this out because this is a really important part of this conversation regarding climate change. So you said a lot of your peers are concerned about climate change. Well, something that we can talk about is the way that we are farming right now.
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Grace Price
Yes, exactly. You pull agriculture into it is one.
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Unknown
Of the leading causes of climate change. And not only that, but the solution is probably the best solution that we have to combat climate change. Because if we're leaning into regenerative farming, which if anybody listening doesn't know about regenerative farming, we're not going to go.
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Courtney Swan
Too far into it.
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Unknown
But you can listen to. I have a ton of podcasts about this.
- [56:43]
Grace Price
She's like an expert in.
- [56:44]
Unknown
I'm. I'm obsessed with regenerative farming. I think that it's such a beautiful process because it's bringing us back to nature the way that we were intended to farm. And then in that process, it allows Mother Nature to do her thing. It puts carbon out of the atmosphere, which is the biggest thing that we're dealing with right now. And it's food for the soil.
- [57:00]
Grace Price
Yes.
- [57:01]
Unknown
So we also need to get teens on board with the fact that you don't have to go vegetarian. In fact, I would argue the vegetarian diet is not helpful.
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Grace Price
Yeah, no.
- [57:10]
Unknown
With climate change. Yes. And we need to re throughout that narrative of if we stop eating these monocrop agricultural foods, not only are we saying fu to the man, we're rebelling, but we're also helping with climate change.
- [57:23]
Grace Price
Yes, yes. And we're fixing our soil. It comes back to our soil. Like our soil is so unhealthy right now, it's crazy. I watched the Kiss the Ground documentary and also the Common Grounds one too. They're, they're both phenomenal. And I totally recommend for anyone if they just want to actually understand what regenerative agriculture really is, because it's kind of a foreign concept if you don't really like, look into the health space in general. And I do think it's the future of agriculture for us if we want to save our country. And so I think it's really important that people try to understand that more and 100% pay attention to our farmers. You know, it's important.
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Courtney Swan
Yep.
- [58:04]
Unknown
I completely agree. So, so I'm just curious on a personal level because I want to know what's next for you. Like what are you working on next?
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Grace Price
Yeah, a couple of things. I am so working on the app that I just told you and school lunch programs. I think there's a lot that I want to do with that right now. There's also the whole idea of trying to feed the movement, of trying to, to get top down change by approaching this the same way we approach tobacco and me being the voice for my generation of. Look like we, we are being, our health is being sold out right now and we want change. So. So there's the advocacy part that is really important. And so it's like us continuing to do the hearings and stuff like that or going and petitioning against Kellogg's. Like, I think that's all great and that. And it's also developing the research side of things as well. That's really important to me. I think a lot of people get really sketched out. Cause I'm 18 years old and I talk about a lot of science, but that's my passion. I love biochemistry. That is the only reason why I actually learned any of this because I was reading scientific papers for fun in high school, as unbelievable as that sounds. And I just directed my attention specifically more towards, you know, epigenetics and cancer and mitochondrial health. And then I was like, whoa, this is crazy. And I just kept reading and reading. And so in. In college, you know, just trying to continue to feed that because I. I would love to perform some studies and research that I think is needed for teens. Like, one idea that I been wanting to do for a while is I think that we need to get a group of 100 kids, you know, my age in college, have them either eat their typical college diet, which is like Hot Pockets, Cheetos, Kraft Mac and Cheese, Coca Cola. Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal. And I live. That's brutal. I'm observing it. I'm observing it right now, you know, and that versus a group that eats no ultra processed foods and is simply just, you know, living life the exact same way. You put some CGMs on them as well. Well, yeah, I mean, that would be cool to see. There's no data on this for teens. It. It drives me crazy. Like, why do we not have any studies on what kids are eating, on how often their glucose is being spiked? The connection between glucose spikes their quality of sleep. We have stuff to track this now.
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Unknown
Like, yeah, we could.
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Grace Price
I could literally get a group of my friends together and we could do something like this.
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Unknown
And please do this. This is so cool.
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Grace Price
Like, it's. It's important. It's important to know that this stuff. And it's important also for the sake of spreading awareness and understanding, like, oh, wow. That, like, this is. This is. Or even like your gut microbiome, you know, doing a kind of test on that. See what people's gut health is like. IBS is like crazy right now.
- [61:09]
Unknown
Oh, my gosh.
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Grace Price
People don't talk about it, but with.
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Unknown
Women, especially with women, it's really bad.
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Grace Price
And there's a stigma around talking about all that kind of stuff because no one wants to talk. Talk about poop. But the truth is, I mean, the fact that we're not measuring, like, our poop is crazy.
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Courtney Swan
I know.
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Grace Price
It's. It's actually so, so helpful for information on the health of really your whole body. Oh, yeah. Because when it. Especially when it comes to food that is the byproduct of what you're eating, you're gonna be able to tell a lot of what's going on in your gut and then how it's impacting, you know, the gut. Brain access is a thing, and then the rest of your cells, like, it's so important. So, yeah, just getting more data, like, we can always use more data. I think So I would love to be able to conduct stuff like that.
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Unknown
And I wonder if. Cause I was trying to remember where I was at when I was your age. And I wonder if stuff like this was happening. Like, let's say if I had a friend like you, and we put a CGM on me, and I really saw what the food was actually doing to my body, I feel as though I would have started paying attention a lot sooner.
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Grace Price
Right.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
That's what I think. Because a lot of my friends say to me, I tell them about seed oils. They try going without it. They're like, I don't feel a difference, Grace. What's the difference? And I'm like, for some things, it's a little hard when it's.
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Unknown
Some of it's a slow burn.
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Grace Price
A slow burn.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
And teens are impatient. You know, they want to see their acne cleared instantly. They want to lose five pounds instantly or whatever, or gain muscle instantly. And so you need to have ways to show them, like. Like, look at this. This is the difference. So I actually, I. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that. And I think. I think encouraging people to track their data is really important.
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Unknown
It would be interesting to see for that one in particular, what you could do is I would assume that you could do a crp.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Like pull their CRP and their blood work, because that's an overall inflammatory marker. And I would be very curious to see if they went off seed oils for, like, two weeks. Same to see if it would affect their CRP levels.
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Grace Price
Yeah.
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Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
Any kind of inflammatory marker would work for the seed oil instance. And then. Yeah. And then carbs and sugary. You got covered with the cgm, like, which are great nowadays. You just give them all a levels patch, you know, Exactly. It's. Yeah. And so I really do think there's a lot of opportunity within that. So I'm excited to do that. And that's so exciting. Yeah. Just. Just keep growing and learning. It's. My mission is, you know, I want to flatten the cancer curve by 2040, and that's still my mission right now. The direction in which I go has changed so much as I continue to learn and grow, and that's ultimately the perspective I'm coming from. But I will keep working on this every day until I see the change that I want to see.
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Unknown
I love that. And from your perspective and seeing your peers and seeing everything that's going on right now, are you hopeful that we're able to turn this ship around?
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Grace Price
Totally.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah.
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Grace Price
I'm really Hopeful. I think that ultimately it is a positive message that we have such a unique opportunity right now with the momentum of the Make America Healthy, Healthy Again movement, along with the ability to have access to information. You no longer have to wait for your doctor to tell you something. You can go read and you can figure it out. It really can be within your hands and in your control. So as I see people starting to take back control over their health, that's what reassures me. And as I also see incredible doctors and scientists who are still continuing to push against this and like, who are working. Dr. Naysha Winters, she created.
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Unknown
She's amazing.
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Grace Price
Yes, cancer doctor. Yeah, exactly. She created the Metabolic Terrain Health Institute. And I actually, I did their program. It was really great and super informative for learning about just like the metabolic origin of all these different kinds of cancers, how you differentiate between prostate, breast, all that kind of stuff. But she's actively helping people heal who are diagnosed with cancer and giving them an alternative treatment. That warms my heart. And as much as it breaks my heart every day to be receiving DMs, I'm an 18 year old, I'm not even a doctor. I receive DMs from people saying, I was just diagnosed with glioblastoma. I saw your podcast episode, I saw your documentary, and it made me look more into the ketogenic diet as a means of treatment or functional medicine as a whole. Like, if I can just give people an alternative, that's enough for me. That really is. Because we're dealing with real lives, we're dealing with real people, and we have to remember that. So I think it's a positive message. I think we're gonna keep fighting for change at the government level, but also at the consumer level. And I think that there's hope for a healthy America again.
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Unknown
I agree and I love it. And your mess. Your message is so empowering. And you said something earlier about how these companies are so concerned because they lose control over people. And they lose. Because when we tell people that you're empowered and you have control over this and you can avoid these foods, then they lose that control of the, the addictions to those foods, essentially. These people have. And so, and you know, that's, that's a lot of my message to people is, look, this, this can either. You can choose to either allow this to scare you, or you can choose to allow this to empower you.
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Grace Price
Yes, yes.
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Unknown
And allow this to empower you. Because you have a lot, you have a lot of power and a lot of choices.
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Courtney Swan
In this?
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Grace Price
Yeah, I love it.
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Unknown
Oh, well, I wanted to ask you a personal question that I asked all my guests at the end, which is, what are your health non negotiables? So these are things that no matter how crazy your day is, that you really prioritize for your own health. Yeah.
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Grace Price
Okay. Health non negotiables. Never really do anything sugary for breakfast. I just can't. Like, I will literally crash at 3pm My. My friends know it, my parents know it. I'm just like, no one wants to be around 3pm Grace when she has had a ton of carbs for breakfast. So that's one of my non negotiables. I typically just do, like, protein fat. You literally can just do eggs.
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Unknown
Oh, yeah, I had eggs. Sausage this morning.
- [67:25]
Grace Price
Exactly. So simple.
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Unknown
Perfect.
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Grace Price
Yeah. So that's one of them. Another one is. I don't. I'm very strict on fast food. I don't. Don't do fast food.
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Unknown
I'm the same. I haven't had it in 20 years, probably.
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Courtney Swan
I call it play doh.
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Grace Price
It is. It's Play Play.
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Unknown
Like some, like, people eat it. But you're not supposed to.
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Grace Price
But you're not supposed to eat it.
- [67:45]
Courtney Swan
Literally.
- [67:45]
Grace Price
That's good. I feel like that needs to be on Twitter right now. Like, someone. Someone tweet this, Courtney.
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Unknown
I'll tweet it. I'll tweet it.
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Grace Price
Yeah. Love it. I can already see, like, ChatGPT can make an image of Play Doh. But you have like, instead all of these McDonald's, McNuggets, like, coming out of it.
- [68:02]
Unknown
That's. Yeah, let's do it.
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Grace Price
We're doing it, guys. That's actually my future now. Play DOH for kids. No. Yeah, Fast food. It's just like. And I think most people, like, come on, guys. Like, you can.
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Unknown
Yeah, like, you can avoid that.
- [68:18]
Grace Price
You can avoid that.
- [68:19]
Unknown
Pack a meal if you're on a road trip. Like, I do that all the time. It's. Yeah.
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Grace Price
Yeah. And so that. That's another one. And I would. I would say the last one is like, I'm don't do sodas. Like, there's no. There's really no reason to do sodas or really any sugary drink. Like, I feel like I say sodas, but I consider most drinks at Starbucks a soda.
- [68:41]
Unknown
Oh, me too.
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Grace Price
It's. It's just sugar.
- [68:43]
Unknown
It's straight sugar.
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Grace Price
And you can't say, oh, well, I actually, I like the match at. At Starbucks, you know. Well, I think what you're saying is you like the sugar syrup they use in the matcha at Starbucks. Like, that doesn't say anything about what your taste preference is. You're just addicted.
- [69:00]
Unknown
Yeah.
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Grace Price
And that's okay. But you have to realize that when it's in these drinks, too, you're consuming sugar so fast that it is just bound to spike your glucose like it is bound to, and put you in this hyperglycemic state. And you don't want to do that. I mean, puts you at risk of insulin, insulin resistance, all of these. This chronic inflammation that we were talking about earlier and that these earlier metabolic implications are what lead to the development of these chronic diseases. That's what we're seeing.
- [69:31]
Unknown
Exactly.
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Grace Price
You have to know things like the health of your triglycerides, all that kind of stuff. It's not just cholesterol. You need to be tracking these kinds of markers. So it's important not to do that. But I would say those are probably my three. I have other ones that are more, like personal. But I am, like, hard no on that. You could not pay me a lot of money. I'm like, you cannot pay me.
- [69:56]
Unknown
You cannot pay me to drink or eat those. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I'm not taking a million dollars for that. For real. My health is too important.
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Courtney Swan
Yeah, yeah. I love that.
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Unknown
Okay, so please tell everyone where they can find you and also where they can find your documentary.
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Grace Price
Yeah. Okay. So you can find me at Traveling Jeans on. On X and on Instagram, and then my documentary is on YouTube and on X as well.
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Unknown
Amazing.
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Grace Price
So you can find it there.
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Courtney Swan
Yay.
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Unknown
Well, everyone go watch it. It's like 23 minutes long, I think, right?
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Grace Price
Super short.
- [70:26]
Unknown
It's so well done. Share it with all your friends. Everybody needs to know this. And thank you so much for coming on today.
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Grace Price
Thank you for having me.
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Unknown
This is so much fun.
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Grace Price
I know.
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Unknown
This was so fun. Thank you so much for listening to.
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Courtney Swan
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Unknown
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Courtney Swan
For more shows by my team, go to wellnessloud.com. see you next time. The content of this show is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for individual medical and mental health advice and doesn't constitute a provider patient relationship. I am a nutritionist, but I am not your nutritionist. As always, talk to your doctor or your health team first.