In this episode, Dr. Josh Brown, a Professor of Psychological and Brain Sciences at Indiana University and author of Proving A Miracle, makes a compelling case that as Christians in healthcare, we owe the world a higher standard of evidence—not less. Rather than simply asking people to take testimonies at face value, he argues that we have both the tools and the responsibility to document healing prayer with the same rigor we apply to any clinical intervention. Drawing from the centuries-old Lambertini criteria used by the Catholic Church to verify miracles, he walks us through what it actually takes to rule out natural explanations, placebo effects, and spontaneous remission. The conversation lands on a powerful tension: inside the church, testimonies need to be safe and honored; outside the church, they need to withstand honest scrutiny. Dr. Brown believes we can hold both, and that doing so doesn't weaken our witness—it sharpens it. For anyone navigating the intersection of science, faith, and the practice of medicine, this episode offers a framework for speaking with authority in the public square without losing credibility or compromising conviction.

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