CARPOOL: GOTHS

Summary

Podcast Summary: Carpool - GOTHS Ride with Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone
Host/Authors: Benito Skinner & Mary Beth Barone
Release Date: July 30, 2025
Episode Title: CARPOOL: GOTHS

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Introduction

In the "Carpool: GOTHS" episode of Ride with Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone, hosts Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone delve into a rich tapestry of topics ranging from personal health struggles to the vibrant expression of goth culture. Their candid and humorous dialogue offers listeners insightful perspectives intertwined with relatable anecdotes.

Health and Wellness

Navigating Health Privilege and Mental Health

Benito opens up about his recent health challenges, discussing intrusive thoughts associated with OCD and the concept of health privilege. He shares his experience with at-home gut testing, expressing frustration over the uncertainty in his health journey.

Benito Skinner [03:16]: "I did a gut test this morning where you have to collect a sample. So I'm not sure I want to be a parent, and I. It was one of the most demoralizing experiences."

Mary Beth elaborates on the idea of health privilege, emphasizing the disparities in access to comprehensive healthcare.

Mary Beth Barone [04:08]: "Access to doctors and healthcare is a privilege. And I think the problem is that, like, we're not gonna get the answers that we want."

They discuss the societal pressures surrounding stress and mental health, advocating for systemic changes to address these issues.

Benito Skinner [06:04]: "Can we figure out how to make stress not bad for you?"

Professional Shoutouts and Achievements

Variety Recognition

Benito enthusiastically announces that Mary Beth has been recognized by Variety as a "Comic to Watch," celebrating her achievements in the entertainment industry.

Benito Skinner [07:29]: "Variety comics to watch. I'm so proud of you."

Mary Beth responds with gratitude, reflecting on a challenging year and the importance of recognizing positive milestones.

Mary Beth Barone [07:43]: "It's nice to get a phone call that something good happened."

Future Projects

The hosts explore potential future projects, including Mary Beth's interest in starting a blog inspired by Julia Child's cookbook.

Mary Beth Barone [08:06]: "My next project is blogs. A blog where I cook Julia Child's cookbook."

Benito adds humor to the conversation, reminiscing about past pitching experiences and movie references.

Movie and Cultural Discussions

Exploring Film and Literature

Benito and Mary Beth discuss various films and books, touching upon complex narratives and hidden subplots.

Mary Beth Barone [08:46]: "There's a split second of Ellen in the movie. It's a whole subplot."

They share insights on character developments and thematic elements in movies like "Black Swan" and literary works such as "Grace."

Benito Skinner [16:28]: "Black Swan is coming to IMAX on August 21st and 22nd."

Celebrating Goth Culture

The Essence of Goth Expression

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to celebrating goth culture. Benito and Mary Beth discuss the importance of self-expression, the presence of goth individuals in various communities, and the challenges goths face in mainstream society.

Mary Beth Barone [35:05]: "We're all born naked and the rest is drag."

They share personal anecdotes about interactions with goths, emphasizing the community's resilience and creativity.

Benito Skinner [33:47]: "It's expression. It's true self-expression."

Goth in Media and Society

The hosts examine the representation of goth culture in media, referencing shows and online communities that sustain and empower goth individuals.

Mary Beth Barone [34:37]: "There are so many ways for goth people to connect online."

Benito reflects on the declining visibility of goths in larger cities due to population density, offering a scientific perspective on cultural visibility.

Mary Beth Barone [32:01]: "Scientific explanation for where are the goths. And as you know, I was once on a flight to England."

Personal Life Reflections

Mary Beth on Being Single

Mary Beth shares her thoughts on singlehood, emphasizing gratitude for her existing support systems while acknowledging her desire for a romantic partnership.

Mary Beth Barone [21:22]: "Maybe I won't have a partner. Maybe I will, but, like, I need to be at peace with the fact that, like, I might just not get everything that I want."

Benito complements this by discussing the complexities of desires and the importance of being content with what one has.

Benito Skinner [22:09]: "Maybe we need to stop expecting that we're going to get everything that we want."

Benito on Missing His Friend

The conversation takes a heartfelt turn as Benito expresses his longing for his best friend, highlighting the deep bond between the hosts.

Benito Skinner [39:06]: "I really do miss my best friend."

Mary Beth responds with mutual sentiments, reinforcing their close relationship.

Mary Beth Barone [39:41]: "I miss you. I'll see you soon. No. Ride or die."

Closing Thoughts

As the episode winds down, Benito and Mary Beth continue to blend humor with meaningful discussions, leaving listeners with a sense of camaraderie and support. They invite listeners to embrace their authentic selves and appreciate the diverse communities that enrich their lives.

Mary Beth Barone [40:07]: "Love you guys. You should think about it."

Benito Skinner [40:17]: "Welcome to the Black Parade. Love you, kid."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Benito Skinner [03:16]: "I did a gut test this morning where you have to collect a sample. So I'm not sure I want to be a parent, and I. It was one of the most demoralizing experiences."

• Mary Beth Barone [04:08]: "Access to doctors and healthcare is a privilege. And I think the problem is that, like, we're not gonna get the answers that we want."

• Benito Skinner [07:29]: "Variety comics to watch. I'm so proud of you."

• Mary Beth Barone [35:05]: "We're all born naked and the rest is drag."

• Benito Skinner [39:06]: "I really do miss my best friend."

• Mary Beth Barone [40:07]: "Love you guys. You should think about it."

Conclusion

"Carpool: GOTHS" is a compelling episode that seamlessly weaves personal narratives with broader cultural discussions. Benito and Mary Beth's authentic dialogue provides listeners with both entertainment and meaningful insights, making it a standout installment in their podcast series.

Transcript

[Benito Skinner]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Hey, can you come pick me up? Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

What's wrong?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Nothing.

[Benito Skinner]

Are you sure?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, no, I just need a ride. Ride, ride.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh my God.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I just want to have fun. Start your engine. Take care.

[Benito Skinner]

I'm Benito Skinner.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm Mary Beth Barone.

[Benito Skinner]

And this is Rye. Gorgeous. Wait, what are the lyrics to Gorgeous? Damn, it's been a while. Well, I was waiting for Reputation Taylor's version, but I guess we're not getting it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We're not getting it. We can just enjoy the original.

[Benito Skinner]

You know what I ride for? It's a little mini ride, but it's. There will be no conversation, just Reputation. And if that is not your current vibe, my good sis.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

You said I look handsome and I'm. I'm sitting different because of it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, good. I mean, I. I stand by what I said. I have wet hair on the pod, which I think this might be a first. This is a ride first, I'm sure on obs bleep it. I did the pod with wet hair, but not for rides. So this is cool. This is intimate. I have never wanted to do the pod less than today, so. So we'll see. We'll just see what happens every week these days. We'll just see what happens. We'll see what comes out. But I have a long list of stuff to talk about. Regardless of not wanting to do it.

[Benito Skinner]

Good. I'm kind of your annoying little brother. That's like it. Now it kind of feels like it's my project and I'm making you do it. I would say, but not in a. Not in a. Like, you know what? I think that that's always kind of in your vibe, and I think that works perfectly for it. They don't know that still, you're the one who schedules all of these. Like, I just show up.

[Mary Beth Barone]

So it's, you know, behind closed doors, like, you know, we don't need them to. We don't need to let them know how the sausage is made.

[Benito Skinner]

I will say your vibe is a little Easter egg of what's coming today there, so. And what you just did with your hoodie, like, are you hitting me, dude? And I have to say, you know, I. I'm glad that you guys wanted the full video pods. Do I want myself on camera more now? No. I want everyone listening to know how.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Selfless that was in a lot of.

[Benito Skinner]

Ways, because I would have loved to have less content.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Totally, totally. Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

On Earth.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, it's interesting too, because the lighting kids. I need to Get a makeup light that's 300, but I haven't ordered it yet. The way the light hits me in my. In my space is. I just look like a ghost. I look pretty ghostly white, I would say, which is crazy because I have a natural tan right now.

[Benito Skinner]

So you're really trying to be the queen of goths. So there's an ulterior motive today, my girl.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, I planned this out. It was. It was carefully orchestrated and calculated.

[Benito Skinner]

It's so weird. Like, when I watch this, immediately, I'm just watching Emma Chamberlain get a. An almond latte in New York. Like, I'm watching your vlog as I watch. This is cool.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But we're talking.

[Benito Skinner]

But we're talking. It's like Benny Drama dissociated many times on set. Of overcompensating.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Of overcompensating.

[Benito Skinner]

I would say the lighting in here is kind of hitting me. You can't tell that I have had so many rashes right now. I'm on this big health kick of just getting everything tested, and I. I did a gut test this morning where you have to collect a sample. So I'm not sure I want to be a parent, and I. It was one of the most demoralizing experiences.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But you did it at home, right?

[Benito Skinner]

Mm.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay.

[Benito Skinner]

I'm begging for them to tell me I have, like, too much. What is it? Candida?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, Candida. It's the Candida. You have too much Candida.

[Benito Skinner]

I just want someone to be like, you're deathly allergic to something, and the second you stop. Like, this is coming from such a place of health privilege, you know? Health privilege where.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Hold on one second.

[Benito Skinner]

You're familiar with health privilege?

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, I think I just, like. No, I just saw a piece in the Time, an op ed about health privilege.

[Benito Skinner]

I just wanted. I want it to say I'm allergic to something.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I know that it explains why, but you know what? The human body, it is just, like. It's crazy all that's going on in there. I mean, I. I just saw a general practitioner last week for the first time because I went from my pediatrician. Like, I went to my pediatrician till I was, like, in my 20s, and then I would just go to the gynecologist to, like, get that stuff checked. So I haven't been to, like, a doctor to do, like, a full blood work thing in so long, and it's health privilege. And I'm glad you brought that up, because I think.

[Benito Skinner]

New Era alert.

[Mary Beth Barone]

New Era alert. No, we're changing it. We're cardpooling for health privilege. Yes. Access to doctors and healthcare is a privilege. And I think the problem is that, like, we're not gonna get the answers that we want.

[Benito Skinner]

That's such a good point. I'm finding a lot of allergies low key, but I don't know if, like, I should, if I need to change my lifestyle. One says that, like, Corrin is just. My body's definitely not loving her. And I'm just like, well, tough titty bitch. Like, it's.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I hope her. I hope this recording just caught that. A thumbs down just came up on the screen again.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh, yeah, they keep going.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Why is that happening?

[Benito Skinner]

I don't even know. I swear to God. Gay guys have different presets on zoom.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Your hands are just. And of course, now that you're doing. Oh, oh, okay, great.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh, watch this mic between my thighs.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Don't break it. Oh, my God, it's doing fireworks, baby.

[Benito Skinner]

You're fire. Yeah. I was pitching something so sad. Do you remember that? When I pitched something in the writer's room that was so sad and the fireworks went off because I raised my hand.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I. I hope you get a diagnosis of something that you need to cut out. You know, I'm all about cutting things and people out of your life, so I hope you get the response you want. I hope it's something that's easy for you to cut out. And I just think we need answers and we're not getting them.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, my big thing on the body. And again, health, privilege. But I'm like, can we figure out how to make stress not bad for you? Every single thing goes, yeah. And stress, it's.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I know, but no, that's not doing that. It's. It's about making life less stressful, which, like, it's just not going to happen anytime soon. It's going to get worse before it gets better. But I saw this screenshot of a tweet on Instagram that was from a therapist that was like, I'm a therapist. And I think anxiety and depression is a totally natural response to living in an unjust society. So we need to fix the systemic problems, and then maybe the, you know, the body keeps score kind of famously. So I think then we could maybe have a little bit more space for joy and feeling positive things, but that's just not going to happen right now. So we need to just manage. It's about managing.

[Benito Skinner]

I agree. Taking deep breaths. I did a lymphatic drainage massage. I mean, how many things can I do in between Waiting for and the answer on season two. I wonder to myself a lot. It sounds like I went to a head spa. I mean, obviously I. You know, I. I feel lucky that I get to do all these things, but I am just.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, it's health privilege.

[Benito Skinner]

What in the world is wrong with Benny? Drama.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, please let us know. I hope you'll bring whatever it is to the pod.

[Benito Skinner]

I just like. I. Yeah, you know what? You just. You feel like out of sync with your body. I think maybe it was a lot of traveling, a lot of stress, a whole press tour with my bestie, but I just want to shout out something really big that happened today. We have to shout out the good things.

[Mary Beth Barone]

What?

[Benito Skinner]

All of the comics to watch in the world. But Variety has been watching you. We've got our glasses on and we like what we see. Variety comics to watch. I'm so proud of you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Thank you.

[Benito Skinner]

You deserve it. Beyond it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's an honor to be spoken about in the trades in such a way. It's been a weird year. That's all. I. That's my official statement. It's just been a weird year. But it's nice to get a phone call that something good happened.

[Benito Skinner]

Pretty soon here, I think you're going to like do a Julie and Julia type thing or something. Like, I want you to start a big project where you cook everything from Julia Child's cookbook or something.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I have to go to culinary school first. Yeah, that's what you wish for me for. My next project is blogs. A blog where I cook Julia Child's cookbook.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah, well, I think big for you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Totally.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, here's my thing. I remember in that movie. Am I right in that? Julia Childs was like then mean about it. It's like don't meet your heroes type things.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Here's something that we've never talked about. I've never seen Julia and Julia. Okay, so. But now that we're on the subject of movies, I can finally reveal that what I wanted to reveal to you last week was there is an entire subplot in the book. It ends with us that they watch Ellen and I took photos.

[Benito Skinner]

I have them on my phone.

[Mary Beth Barone]

There's a split second of Ellen in the movie. It's a whole subplot. I think she watches Ellen and writes to her Lily Bloom.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh, in the book.

[Mary Beth Barone]

In the book it's a whole thing. My cousin told me that.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh, so this is like a nod. Okay, maybe we need to read the book club.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's a wink wink. We'll Do a quick, quick book club of a book everybody in the world has already read, by the way. It's just you and me who haven't read it.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, that's my thing. I literally. It was so funny. I was at the beach, but God, there's something you're not going to hear every day. So I was at the beach and I brought books with me because I was like, well, you have to bring beach reads. The two books I brought totally were the Velvet Rage and Song of Achilles.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Isn't Song of Achilles like pretty long.

[Benito Skinner]

And then seeing them there, I'm like, I'm not reading these at the beach.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You weren't on a beach vacation either. You just went for the day.

[Benito Skinner]

Totally. I went to. Went to Zuma.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You use the books to hold your towel down from the wind.

[Benito Skinner]

Don't. Don't say stuff like that, you little queen. There's that Hunter Watts smile. I don't see it as much.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm in such a bad mood. It's actually crazy, but talking to you is making me feel better. I'm just in a bad mood. Like sometimes.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, people say I'm dazzling. People say I'm dazzling. I don't get treated like it, but.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, you are.

[Benito Skinner]

People are so mean to us, dude.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No. And we are treated so badly, like by everyone. It's truly insane.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, you know, Benny Drama gets his heart broken ten times a day. That's my theory.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Benny Drama gets his heartbroken 10 times a day. And I want to be the one that got away for six people. And I'm more than halfway there.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, offline about this, but I think we're up to seven.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

I have a bathrobe and anytime I put on a bathrobe, I'm immediately Macaulay Culkin from Home Alone.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay. And I get that the PJs are made from the same Cotton fabric as the baby ones you. So you can sleep like a baby. You can also monogram them. I was clearing my throat.

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

Yeah. And where the hell I am.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

Because they're trying to. Seriously?

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

Sue me. I want to steal your information online.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

I wonder if the Verge ever said anything about overcompensating. What year is it? So I use it all the time so that I can watch Max Max and Eastas Netflix Prime Video, all my shit shows anywhere in the world. And it really is amazing. And I love to tell them I'm in Miami for some reason.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

Sexy when you read that?

[Mary Beth Barone]

I don't know. Because you're attracted to me? I did want to say that. Something I've been thinking about a lot is that Wolf of Wall street is the Devil wears Prada for boys. So just sit with that for a second.

[Benito Skinner]

Wait, can I do something?

[Mary Beth Barone]

God, you're so good at that.

[Benito Skinner]

When that scene played, straight guys were like, what's this beat? Yeah, I also just love that movie though.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Me too.

[Benito Skinner]

And then Black Swan is Devil Wears Prada for gay guys. Do you get that?

[Mary Beth Barone]

I couldn't understand that more.

[Benito Skinner]

Black Swan is coming to IMAX on August 21st and 22nd. I get to watch Winona Ryder say.

[Mary Beth Barone]

What did you do?

[Benito Skinner]

Did you suck his cock? I get to watch that on an IMAX screen drinking a Coke Zero with a big popcorn. That's going to wreck my gut. Apparently. Mother to princess, it's so he. Wait. Vincent Castell in that is so meaningful.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Something unbelievables.

[Benito Skinner]

He is so something unbelievable. I want to show you something. You can beat the Black Swan if you only try hard enough. I want. I know. I see the White Swan in you. I want to see. Show me what you showed me in your office the other day. He is so. Whoa. Dream roll alert for me. That just unlocked something. Dude, I look like. I look like you're. I don't even know what I look like.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You definitely look like my little brother. But not in a bad way.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, well, somebody said something nice about, you know, God forbid. It's like if someone says something nice about something on the Internet, someone needs to comment something shitty. This girl posted that she thought that overcompensating should have been nominated for an Emmy. Which, just to be clear, like, I was not expecting that in any way, shape or form. Let's be real, like, look who literally the competition was like, no, baby. And someone immediately goes, what? That 30 year old man pretending to be a kid?

[Mary Beth Barone]

And I was like, on Reddit, someone.

[Benito Skinner]

Said that I'm gonna go to the beach. It was on Instagram. What are they saying on Reddit?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Now you're on Reddit? Someone said that we were snubbed. And then someone responded and goes, I love overcompensating. But they weren't snubbed. Lol. Like, are you lost?

[Benito Skinner]

Why are you on the Reddit for our podcast then?

[Mary Beth Barone]

I don't know. Because that's not a true barony. That's just not what a Baroni would say in that situation. Before we get into our rides, the doc says set a juice was cunt to a waiter. And I would love to hear that story before we talk about what we're going to talk about.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah. So I've definitely kind of been through it lately. You know why? Because I, I think I, I miss you a lot. It's been a lot of work and. Yeah. And like, you know, I. Yeah. I was at a breakfast in Copenhagen, which I love Copenhagen. It was so beautiful and it just had like. I don't even know how to describe it, but everything felt both new and old at the same time. I've never had such consistently banger filled meals. Like, it was shocking how good the food was. So I'm in Copenhagen and I'm at breakfast and I get this juice and I was just really tired. Maybe like a little jet lag too. Not to like, you know, build excuses, but.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, it's travel privilege. Travel privilege and health privilege.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, health privilege. I can get the juice. So I got this juice and I tasted it and she was like, juice is good. And I was like, yeah, it's kind. And I don't know if it's made it over there to Copenhagen. If talking like a crass.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Speaking like a sailor.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah, like a diva sailor. It has made it over there.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Oh, there's another thumbs down. Wow.

[Benito Skinner]

What on my body is giving thumbs down. I am. I'm actually kind of curious.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's actually your energy. It's your energy.

[Benito Skinner]

My face is a hand.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah. No, but the robots are going to take over for sure. The robots can't tell when I'm doing a thumbs down. But they're coming for our jobs.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah. Here's my thing. Some director recently was like, the damage is done. And I do kind of feel that too. It's like, God, we, we did it. Why did we do this? It's like, it's so Eve eating the apple.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I have been thinking about this a lot actually, and I have a really good analogy. But I'm not going to do it right now because we need to get into what we ride for. But just know that next week I have a really good analogy this entire situation. And if I forget to do it, then too bad. Too damn bad. I'm gate keeping the analogy.

[Benito Skinner]

Doing okay.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, I'm like, I'm over scheduling myself and so I'm canceling a bunch of stuff in the next few days and I just need to conserve energy for the things that I Can't cancel, like, shows and stuff. And I just need to just have boundaries and just stop saying yes to stuff, because I, like, I just don't have it in me right now. Like, I'm exhausted.

[Benito Skinner]

We might have talked about this, but it's like the Eat, Pray, Love, Ification of the millennial generation, where we think we have to move and do all these things. Like, sometimes that is the answer. The hard reset is the answer.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Totally.

[Benito Skinner]

Sometimes I really do believe it's laying down and watching too much and eating frozen grapes.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

And that's like, you gotta.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's a lot of what I've been doing, but some of what I've been doing, it's just moving and shaking, and it's not good.

[Benito Skinner]

Should we all take a collective deep breath? All right, ready? In. Hold it. I give you guys a panic attack. Hold it, hold it, hold it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I had to. I had to let it out. I'm sorry. Whenever you're ready. I jumped the gun.

[Benito Skinner]

Didn't that feel good, Everybody. We all deserve that. I hope everyone's taking care of themselves. Mb we are here for you. We take you as you are. And, my God, it's always delicious.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Effy, you know what I actually do want to say this week, it's not the analogy, but I've been thinking a lot about my life, and I'm single again, as we all know. And I've just been thinking, I want to share my life with someone, but if I don't, like, I have a lot. I think we need to stop expecting that we're going to get everything that we want, and we need to stop expecting that we're going to get everything we deserve, because I have a great family. I have the best friends in the world. I get to do what I want to do for my job, and I live in the city that I want to live in. And so, you know what? Maybe I won't have a partner. Maybe I will, but, like, I need to be at peace with the fact that, like, I might just not get everything that I want.

[Benito Skinner]

I think also it's the. The experience of sometimes getting these things that you think you want so, you know, that you wanted so bad, and you're like, oh, these are more complicated than I would have thought, you know?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Or you have to compromise more, or you have to, like, I'd rather just. Just be really, like, happy with what I do have. And then if something comes along that feels. Feels right, right then great. Also, like, my choices in life, the people that I'm attracted To just might not be the people that are the best for me. Like, I've chosen to live life very publicly. I'm pretty loud. I'm outspoken, I'm bossy. According to many a straight man.

[Benito Skinner]

No, you're not bossy. You're a boss.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm a boss. I have needs. So it's like, yeah, maybe the people I'm attracted to just can't fulfill that stuff. And honestly, that's fine. I just want to be happy in my life.

[Benito Skinner]

I think there's something very beautiful about gratitude, catitude, taking that beat.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Archival. Go to.

[Benito Skinner]

Of like, archival. There's something about archival Gaultier. And speaking of archival Gaultier, I have a little present that I wanted to show you on camera. So I was on TikTok the other night, and I was so tired that I came across. No, the stun is coming next week in Montreal.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay. Well, no, it's coming in Montreal at some point. We don't say when that is. Oh, it's at some point.

[Benito Skinner]

So I saw a chihuahua wearing these, and I thought, that Chihuahua is not giving what I think my little baby girl would give. So I bought pinky overalls.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Bring those when we're in Montreal so I can give them to her when I get home. We're going to do a full photo shoot.

[Benito Skinner]

I actually, like. Can you deal?

[Mary Beth Barone]

No. This is incredible. I can't believe you bought her overall. Yes. Yes. I love the pockets. She's out on the ranch.

[Benito Skinner]

I can't. They're so cute.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yay. Okay, but just this clothing outfitters calling each other 55 times in two weeks. And then also, you buying pinky overalls is just a really good indicator of the culture right now.

[Benito Skinner]

It's the culture. And you know what? There's something about the energy right now of being like, I think we all need to just take a deep breath, go to the beach, return to the.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Clay, Bring two books you're not going to read.

[Benito Skinner]

Bring two books you're not going to read. AirPods that are actually so small, they start to make it feel like they're gonna collapse in and blow your head off.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

These are so tight on an XL helmet head.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I can't even stretch those headphones.

[Benito Skinner]

I was in such deep pain after an hour of wearing these, and I wanted to vibe so hard, and I'm sad. I'll give them to you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Thank you.

[Benito Skinner]

I love the color Galaxy Brain. Right. I thought it was really fun. It's kind of red and pink, and.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I thought it'd be cute.

[Benito Skinner]

Everyone gets Gray. But, you know, this would be my little spin on it. Nope. Hey, we can't have.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We can't expect everything now.

[Benito Skinner]

We can't expect everything we want. It's so true. And you know what? Let surprises happen. Like, I. I don't know. A podcast to me for a while, I was like, oh, yeah, it feels like, you know, people would do that or what? Like, even if we don't necessarily always want to record, now that I'm in it, nothing brings me more joy than just talking to you and doing.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I know.

[Benito Skinner]

Like, you just make me laugh. And this is. This isn't what I expected I would be doing, you know, necessarily at my grand old age of 31. Can every article stop leading with that? I'm like, I'm not hiding it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, unfortunately, every article will continue to. I'm sorry to say that, but yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

Hey, this is my new thing. If I meet a gay guy who's wearing Martine Rose, I go like this. And I go, you have five minutes. Don't say something mean. You can say something mean after five minutes. See if you can say something nice before five. If we get to five minutes, I'll give you $20.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We get to go to CVS and you can pick out anything. I'll buy you 1.

[Benito Skinner]

Cvs, you get a cash prize. Say something nice about the people around.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You can't.

[Benito Skinner]

And they're just. They. I'm gonna put them in a dungeon. Yeah, I might cut that because.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, I love that. And we're gonna put that on TikTok.

[Benito Skinner]

But you know what I mean. Yes, gay guy. You have to say something nice.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, amplify. I'm amplifying.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, we all do. We all do.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We all need to say more nice things. I want to get cards printed and sell them in the merch store that just say, I think your outfit's really cute. And you can just give it to people on the street so you don't have to stop them, but you can just give them the card and then they read it, and then that's, like, so fun for them.

[Benito Skinner]

And the back has a QR code, and it's either to a menu of a random place in New York or.

[Mary Beth Barone]

To our podcast or to the photo of you with the manicure. Now let's get into what we ride for. You said there was something about the Beast. There was something about the Beast.

[Benito Skinner]

Should I give them a taste of what it's like?

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's like, no, no, Benny, we're not going to get demonetized. Don't do it. Don't do it.

[Benito Skinner]

You can picture it. No cd. This is where I get serious.

[Mary Beth Barone]

This is where I say take it away.

[Benito Skinner]

Okay, so here's the thing. OCD latches on to these intrusive thoughts that you get. Everyone gets them. But for people who have ocd, we start to believe them and we think that we're a bad person or that these thoughts mean something about us or that we're going to actually do these things we're thinking of. OCD latches onto these thoughts and can make you feel like a monster, even though that isn't true. But that's what makes OCD so debilitating. The thoughts can feel so real that seeking help can feel like a huge risk. And since so few people understand what OCD is really like, it can feel like you have nowhere to turn. I know because I used to feel that way. Unlike general therapy providers, every NOCD therapist specializes in ocd, so they deeply understand intrusive thoughts. That means no matter how disturbing, taboo or shameful you think something is, your therapy sessions are a safe space to be open about it. It's really fantastic until you speak it and are with one of the people on nocd or with a therapist who actually specializes in OCD and intrusive thoughts.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, you're probably scared that you're going to get reported or something.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah, that you think they're going to like call the cops, which I can't say enough. Good luck. You'll be put on hold. Not with no cd. So NOCD also accepts many major insurance plans and offers always on support between sessions. I love you and so does no cd. You like have really helped me through my intrusive thoughts. And you're the one who actually told me to go and talk to a therapist about it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Because I love you. I know. To learn more about therapy with no CD code, go to nocd.com and schedule a free 15 minute call with their team. That's n o c d.com to learn more and book a free 15 minute call.

[Benito Skinner]

And all I can say is if this makes you feel any better, because it made me feel better. You are not alone. We love you so much. Thank you, nocd.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Mary Beth Barone]

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[Benito Skinner]

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[Benito Skinner]

Get in. It's a carpool.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay, but I'm driving carpool. What happened at the beach that reminded you of this ride? We are 30 minutes into the intro. We're gonna do our ride for five minutes. And I don't care. I think that's great.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, how goth is that?

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's so goth to sort of not do the thing.

[Benito Skinner]

I've been using zinc diaper cream on some of my perioral dermatitis and rosacea, and it's been really working. All I'm gonna post once I get. Once I find the exact secret sauce, I'm gonna post all of it for my girls. Unfortunately. It's just. It's been such a journey. Okay. So driving back from the beach off the side of the road, I see three Goths doing a photo shoot in the desert with a 50s convertible. And it reminded me of this time where I was shooting Britney Spears sketch in Massachusetts. It was a Halloween Britney Spears video before I knew she was imprisoned via.

[Mary Beth Barone]

A conservative ship and archived. You can't find it.

[Benito Skinner]

Yes. We live, we learn. We find out that people are in conservatorships and we change our behavior.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And that's great.

[Benito Skinner]

We change. Yeah. And we grow. So I remember I was filming at a cemetery. I was filming at a cemetery and say that. So that just happened? Yeah, I was filming at a cemetery. I filmed at multiple cemeteries. Don't put it past me. I did a James Charles one. I'm. Lately, I've. I keep seeing these old videos pop up, and I'm like, I can't believe I did that. I was James Charles in the Blair Witch Project at the cemetery in Jordan Valley, Oregon, where my grandparents are buried. Nothing more to say there. But I literally said, hi, sisters, and.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Thank God you did.

[Benito Skinner]

And you know what? My grandparents, they would have Loved it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

They would have loved that. You are doing exactly what you want to be doing.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah, my grandma would like. She. She knew. It just reminded me of when I was in this. This cemetery in. In Boston, and this group of goths, teen goths, were at the cemetery doing a full photo shoot as well. And I just thought, oh, my God, like, on the same line of where are the Worms? Like, goth and goth culture, it used to really be on the menu for us. We had Hot Topic at the mall. I miss goths. I don't see them enough. There were a few goths in my high school, which a Catholic high school. I was just like, I just always. There was something where I'm like, real recognize real in this moment. And that's why I literally wrote Grace as goth. She's not lesbian. Like you played her. She's goth Goth.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Like, I didn't play her.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Here's why you're not seeing as many goths. This is something, actually, Edward and I realized when we were in Cardiff, Wales, he was filming something and I went to visit him and we saw a lot of goths and this is what we realized. Oh, the absolute number of goths in every city is the same, but if the population of the city is smaller, you will notice them more. So there is the same number of goths in Boise, Idaho as there are in Los Angeles, but because there's so many other people in Los Angeles, you don't see them as much. So that's the scientific explanation for where are the goths. And as you know, I was once on a flight to England. I have a joke about this in my standup. And there were goths flight, and they stayed goth the whole flight. And I had to respect that because. Holy shit. That looked uncomfortable to me. Pleather pants, studded shoes, studded belt, chokers. They're wearing chokers on a transatlantic flight. Yes, yes. And so I love goths. I really do. Like, I genuinely think what they're doing is amazing. And we need to keep goth culture.

[Benito Skinner]

It's expression. It's true self expression. It's rabbit. It's. It's. It's bangs. Little rubber earrings with, like, spikes on them from Hot Topic. It's like, anytime I was in, like, AP art with a goth once in my life, I was just like, that's my girl. And, like, she gets me. And I get her a Lacoste polo and I want to play Coldplay during this. During, like, free time. She, like, gets me. I don't know. Like, I don't Know, there's something about. Get a goth girl and a gay and a closeted gay guy together and like, you've got a TV show, it's just. Because it's just magic. It's electric. But yeah, I think it's something of like, true expression. True. The system. And can I just say the system. Say that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

The system.

[Benito Skinner]

Yeah. And I love. Oh, my God, the music. The sonic landscape of goth. I. I could never get more into, like, the gore and slipknot. I don't know if that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's a little too. That's a little too hardcore for me. But I did love dipping into it, especially in high school. Like, I went to Warp tour. And while I wouldn't say that's like a hundred percent attended by goths, there is the goth subculture within, like, the Warped Tour, cinematic universe.

[Benito Skinner]

Goth and indie sleaze, I think, has, like a little bit of crossover.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Totally.

[Benito Skinner]

Because also Grimes starts to get a little bit, like, in there and then. Can I just say something, please, Invader Zim, and say that I loved Invader Zim. It was kind of like my. I would look around and play it and I'm like, this shit's kind of fucking insane. And I loved the goth girl in Danny Phantom. She was so hot. She was so you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Wait, that just reminded me that such a goth move is. And I know that I think she does this in Clueless too, but, like, sketching Marvin the Martian, to me it feels like goth just, like doodling all over your, like, binders and notebooks and just, like, not giving a fuck. But randomly being good in school, too.

[Benito Skinner]

Well, of course being good in school and then, like, I mean, that's a part of it. Because, like, goths are fucking smart. Like, they're very tapped into culture almost so much that, like, they're political at a very young age.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Exactly. Like, you have to know, sticking a.

[Benito Skinner]

Finger up the ass.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You can't be counterculture if you don't, like, know the culture. So I think what goth people are doing is amazing. I don't know if goth teens grow into goth adults. I would love some information on that. Or if there are some adults who find goth later in life. Like, you know me with being bisexual. So I just feel like I want to celebrate the goth community. And if I ever make a joke about goth people, it's because it's out of admiration. It's never like, I'm not punching down. I'm just like, I think it's so cool that you committed so hard that you wore Pleather pants across the ocean.

[Benito Skinner]

Your life is art. Like, that's period. Like, life is an expression of you. And to do it and be so. I mean, goss in Idaho wearing demonia boots to, like, a high school where everyone's wearing, like, North Face. It was so fudgeing sick. I was just like, you, Hut hut. You are a part of the army of love. Maybe you. You're not as goth as you used to be, Baronies, but I know there's some goth brownies. Definitely not the one who thought we weren't snubbed, though. That is so, like, the opposite of goth to me.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That also feels like it would have been.

[Benito Skinner]

It would have been goth to be nominated. Can I just say. But here's the thing. Yeah. I just saw them by the roadside making art in trouble, and I was just like, that is just so electrifying to me. And I wish I was around more goths. I do think I have a few goth friends or like, you kind of count as slightly goth to me.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But people don't know that, especially if they don't listen to the podcast. Like, I think if you listen to the POD or if you look at the playlist I made for Disgrace, that is like the Amazon official playlist for Grace, you have to know that I had those references. Like, I couldn't have just, like, cobbled that playlist together. Like, I made that of songs that I listened to actively all the time. And so I think it's just cool to have, like, so many different layers of the onion, like Shrek.

[Benito Skinner]

Or I think I was maybe leaning more indie sleaze because I loved, like, the yeah yeah Yeahs, and I did love My Chemical Romance, but there's room for both. I thought so. But I played football and then I was kind of like, am I the thing they're going against? But actually being a secret undercover homosexual doing it, I feel like goths were like, I see you, like, life is art and trouble.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Exactly. We're all born naked and the rest is drag.

[Benito Skinner]

Exactly. And they're like, we're going to see you on the other side. I'm so happy to talk about goths with you. I think it's exactly what we needed today. I don't know if, like, what are goth TV shows? I mean, other than Invader Zim. I want to say anime is a part of it. I actually have to post this woman on Ride. I'm forgetting her handle right now. But there's this woman who lives in Japan who is goth and she does makeup and me and Alexander French were. I saw, you know, when you catch your friend also engaging with goth icons and you're like, oh, that's why you're my wife. I'm obsessed with her. And she just, like, is goth in Japan. And I think there is, like a slight counterculture or like, there's a crossover between, like, a anime and goth. There's some. There's a beautiful. The duality in between.

[Mary Beth Barone]

There are so many ways for goth people to connect online. If the Internet is mostly bad, I would say one of the great things about it is that, like, communities can find each other. So I'm sure the goth community has probably never been stronger than it is right now.

[Benito Skinner]

I hope so. We need them now. We really need them now more than ever. And I hope they enjoyed overcompensating. If any of them saw it, I hope maybe that's their show now. They saw a goth queen reflected in media, and I can't wait for them to watch her return. I know her return to taking the throne again. I think there. There's maybe a little goth in all of us. Not to take away. Because I hate when people are like, everyone's a little gay. And I'm like, no, they're not.

[Mary Beth Barone]

They're not.

[Benito Skinner]

You know, specifically.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Some people really aren't at all.

[Benito Skinner]

Don't do that. Like, I've met some people and I'm like, you're just. You. You are so straight. It's electrifying. In fact, it's shocking to me.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I think we all have the capacity for it in our hearts, actually. No, that's not true. I don't think Republicans are.

[Benito Skinner]

We don't.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I don't think that.

[Benito Skinner]

No, there's no such thing as a goth Republican.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And that I can say there are gays for Trump. There are no goths for Trump. And think.

[Benito Skinner]

No fucking way.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, think about that.

[Benito Skinner]

Hey, we have work to do. Let me tell you. Yeah, wait. I really do miss my best friend. I wish everyone could be as intimate with Mary Beth as I am. But too bad. It's me. I get to be it. And lucky me. And I me.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Hi. I'm the problem.

[Benito Skinner]

It's me. I'm finding it's not. I mean, it's. If I had to say, I'm finding it's really not me. I think I'm doing the best I can. And you're doing the best you can. Yay. I miss you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I miss you. I'll see you soon. No. Ride or die. Because it's a carpool and if you have any photos of yourself, if you had a goth phase, like, post them, we'd be happy to see them.

[Benito Skinner]

Let's let our freak flags fly. And I say that in a really beautiful way. Goths, you have our attention and you have our respect mostly. And what an amazing time to be goth. It must feel like, really.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Like there's a lot to latch onto.

[Benito Skinner]

There's a lot to goth about to.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Talk to Goth about. Let's give him something to goth about.

[Benito Skinner]

Me saying that Juice was kind of Goth.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Love you guys.

[Benito Skinner]

You should think about it. I can't believe we started with Gorgeous and we end with Taylor. You know what I mean?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Exactly. That was exactly what I wanted.

[Benito Skinner]

Welcome to the Black Parade. Love you, kid. Hey. Love you, kid. Say it back. Hey. Love you, kid. Say it back. That's how we end the pop.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Love you, kid.

[Benito Skinner]

And 1, 2, 3.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Rip it.

[Benito Skinner]

Oh, my. Exit.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Benny, babe. Eyes on the road, Benny.

[Benito Skinner]

Ride. Ride. Ride.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Ride.

[Benito Skinner]

Ride. Ride. Ride.

[Mary Beth Barone]

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