Please Welcome… HOLMES

Summary

Ride with Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone

Episode: "Please Welcome… HOLMES"

Date: August 20, 2025
Guest: Haley Marie Matthews
Platform: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes the effusive and comedic Haley Marie Matthews ("Holmes") to ride along with hosts Benito Skinner and Mary Beth Barone. The conversation veers seamlessly from the absurd to the heartfelt, with candid reflections on friendship, fan relationships, showbiz pressures, and the creative process behind their recent show, “Overcompensating.” The trio’s quick wit, overlapping laughter, and cultural references keep the energy high, while moments of vulnerability add unexpected depth.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Podcast Traditions & Show Format

• The hosts banter about their recurring carpool/school bus intro theme.
  • “A carpool is when we both ride for the same thing.” – Mary Beth (00:56)
• Nostalgic references are made to prior guests and the challenges of scheduling (“It’s really hard to get people in the room.” – Benny, 01:43).

2. Guest Intro: Haley’s Reluctance & Honesty on Podcasts

• Haley admits she rarely does podcasts due to fear of oversharing and lacking a filter.
  • “I have no filter and it gets me in a lot of trouble.” – Haley (01:57)
  • “I’m trying to get better at it.” – Haley (02:08)
• The hosts reassure her about the safe podcast environment.

3. Acting, Set Friendships, and Panic Attacks

• The trio recalls scenes from "Overcompensating," especially moments involving on-screen panic attacks.
  • “Don’t you wish…you’d see one of your friends do it and be like, that’s how yours go?” – Haley (04:23)
• Personal stories about anxiety and learning to normalize mental health as children.
  • “No one ever tells kids, like, if you’re feeling this, this is normal…” – Benny (05:08)

Memorable Quote

• “If I don’t finish my frozen coke slushy, my mom’s gonna be dead when I get home.” – Benny (05:10)

4. Santa Claus, Childhood Realizations & Facing Adult Realities

• The group reminisces about learning Santa isn’t real, which leads to bigger existential questions.
  • “When I found out he wasn’t real, I was like, magic isn’t real. And then I was like. And people lie to me.” – Haley (06:54)
  • "My dad came in...Had tousled hair. And I was like, Dad? And he's like, yeah..." – Benny (07:25)
• The conversation touches darkly on childhood safety, referencing the Elizabeth Smart case (08:27).

5. Relationships with Audience and Fan Base

• Discussion about the responsibilities and anxieties tied to building (and fearing disappointing) a fan base.
  • “...how often are you thinking of what their reaction will be, or do you not think about it very much?” – Haley (10:12)
• The hosts express gratitude for their fans but acknowledge the pressure to maintain high standards.
  • “We hold ourselves to a high standard, too. It’s like, we don’t want to disappoint them...” – Mary Beth (10:44)

Memorable Quote

• “Fans that we would hang out with.” – Mary Beth (11:12)

6. Compartmentalizing Emotions & Performing Under Duress

• Mary Beth shares how comedy has helped her compartmentalize trauma, often performing while emotionally distressed.
  • “I cried the minute up to the second…like Katy Perry getting the text [about her divorce] before her biggest show.” – Mary Beth (13:02)
• Haley talks about being unable to compartmentalize but recognizes the value.

7. Comedy, Life Incidents, and Absurd Personal Anecdotes

• Haley recounts a stressful day involving accidentally hitting a bird and then getting admonished by a masseuse.
  • “I jam smack into the bird. Okay? And I’m a vegetarian…” – Haley (19:49)
  • “So you got assaulted twice yesterday. Once by a bird and once by a masseuse.” – Mary Beth (22:46)
• Discussion on weird medical moments and the wacky advice/gaslighting from a doctor.

8. Standardized Tests, ADHD, and Adderall

• The trio shares their experiences with SATs, ACTs, ADHD, and the effects of Adderall on focus and productivity.
  • “Adderall’s tricky for me...I focus on something and then it’s just—actually, I’m like, yeah, I organized all my Spotify playlists...” – Benny (25:43)
  • “I’m on it right now. So I, like, locked into this.” – Haley (26:36)

9. Drugs and Medicinal Anecdotes

• The hosts riff about prescription painkillers, anesthesia, and pop culture representations of drug use.
  • “All I can say is watch Dope Sick on Hulu, which is becoming Disney Plus.” – Mary Beth (27:13)

10. "What Do You Ride For?" Segment

• Haley chooses the documentary "Will & Harper" (about Will Ferrell and his longtime trans friend, Harper) as her pick.
  • “I ride for the movie Will and Harper.” – Haley (28:18)
  • They discuss the significance of leveraging celebrity for social awareness and the nuanced, often messy process of learning to be an ally.
  • “Standing up for people takes practice.” – Haley (29:04)
  • “I just wish everyone would watch it and realize that people are human beings.” – Benny (31:45)
• The hosts recommend HBO’s “We’re Here” for similar thematic reasons.

11. On Changing Culture Through Art

• Haley, backed by the hosts, stresses the power they hold as creatives to shift culture meaningfully.
  • “We change culture, and I think that [Will & Harper] affected the culture.” – Haley (33:00)

Memorable Quote

• “We have to be less scared of effing up...And also, trans people have always existed.” – Haley (32:30)

12. Behind the Scenes of “Overcompensating”

• Detailed and affectionate memories of casting, character building, and favorite set moments.
  • “We had met at two different shows briefly. And then he really just went off my audition—like, it really was not him like, which also, as we know, Mary Beth auditioned a bunch, but it was like, no. He really, like, looked at my tape.” – Haley (39:05)
  • Reflections on memorable scenes (drunken antics, puke rigs, green car) and what made the show special.

Notable Quotes

• “That was as slow as Haley Marie Matthews is going to do.” – Mary Beth (40:48)
• “Hollywood tries to put you in a million boxes, but we are also Hollywood.” – Haley (41:04)
• On the character Haley: “She’s fully biochem…This is the girl that can go out all night, and in the morning…does the test faster than anyone.” – Benny (41:29)

13. Fame, Social Media, and Fan Response

• Haley candidly discusses the surreal and sometimes dysmorphic feeling of fandom and seeing herself on social media.
  • “I have a hard relationship with, like, seeing my face so much…” – Haley (50:00)
  • Assurance of gratitude toward fans, even if she is less visible in self-promotion.
  • “...we have to, like, keep laughing. And also, I know Haley will be for the cause.” – Haley (51:13)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If I don’t finish my frozen coke slushy, my mom’s gonna be dead when I get home.”
  – Benny, 05:10
  (On childhood anxiety and OCD traits)

• “We hold ourselves to a high standard, too. It’s like, we don’t want to disappoint them…”
  – Mary Beth, 10:44
  (On fan relationships)

• “Standing up for people takes practice.”
  – Haley, 29:04
  (On allyship)

• “Hollywood tries to put you in a million boxes, but we are also Hollywood.”
  – Haley, 41:04
  (On changing the system from within)

• “We change culture, and I think that [Will & Harper] affected the culture.”
  – Haley, 33:00

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:56 – Explanation of the carpool/school bus podcast theme
• 01:57 – Haley on her “no filter” podcast anxiety
• 04:05 – Panic attacks on and off screen
• 06:54 – Discovery of Santa’s existential implications
• 10:12 – Fan base pressures and anxieties
• 13:02 – Performing under emotional distress (Katy Perry divorce story)
• 19:49 – Haley recounts the bird incident
• 22:46 – “You got assaulted twice” (by a bird and masseuse)
• 25:43 – Adderall and focusing on the wrong tasks
• 28:18 – Ride For: “Will & Harper” discussion
• 31:45 – Humanizing trans experiences through media
• 39:05 – Behind-the-scenes casting experiences
• 41:04 – “Hollywood tries to put you in a million boxes, but we are also Hollywood.”
• 50:00 – Haley on difficulty with self-promotion and fandom

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

“Please Welcome… HOLMES” mixes wild, irreverent humor with moments of sincere vulnerability. Haley’s unfiltered storytelling ignites lively responses from Benny and Mary Beth, making for an episode that frequently blurs the line between biting satire and real talk about mental health, identity, and community. The trio also foregrounds the importance of inclusive storytelling and the transformative power of pop culture, all while never taking themselves too seriously. For fans, it’s an intimate peek behind the scenes—and for newcomers, a crash course in why this podcast, and its hosts, have such a fiercely loyal following.

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For Further Listening / Watching

• Referenced Doc: “Will & Harper” (Netflix)
• Referenced Series: “We’re Here” (HBO)
• Show: “Overcompensating”

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Transcript

[Haley Marie Matthews]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Hey, can you come pick me up?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Benito Skinner]

What's wrong?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Nothing.

[Benito Skinner]

Are you sure?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, No, I just need a ride.

[Benny]

Ride. I just want to have fun.

[Benito Skinner]

Start your engine.

[Benny]

Take it. I'm Benito Skinner.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm Mary Beth Barone.

[Benny]

And this is Ride, Ride, Ride. It's a carpool. It's kind of a school bus carpool.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's both of those things we said.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You do that beginning every time. Like, I thought that was just, like, a thing. That was the. Like, come on, get in.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's like. That's. Every time is the. That's a corner time.

[Benny]

That's a really iconic.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, I'm obsessed with it. Okay. I thought you were, like, saying right now that you were doing that, and I was like, oh, it sounds so.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, a carpool is when we both ride for the same thing. And then the school bus episode was when we had the whole cast of overcompensating and except for you and Adam because you chose not to come to.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Coachella, and our reasons were different. I have committed to a friend's pilot, you guys.

[Benny]

I, like, can't watch my baby's fight. It's like I'm right back on set. Just kidding. I love it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, we're actually close.

[Benny]

No, I know the cast, like, does truly get along, and I would love.

[Mary Beth Barone]

To know from the public what everyone thinks our different relationships are, because I'm.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Sure it's what you think.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, we're recording.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Oh, my gosh, you guys.

[Benny]

This is how we trick you to trick ya.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Hop on.

[Benny]

What do you think about the industry? Yeah, that's us.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

My laugh is really loud. Do I need to stay back?

[Benny]

No, no, we'll.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We'll fix it in post.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Mary Beth's like, we've had a loud bitch on before. Terry's mom.

[Benny]

Yeah, yeah, we figured it out. Wait, it's kind of just you and Terry's mom as, like, solo guests.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Did we not have any guests last season in Ride Heritage Month?

[Benny]

No, we literally tried, but, like, we couldn't book Terry. And then I think at one point we tried for a few other people. It's really hard to get people in the room.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

See, not me.

[Benny]

We.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It was hard last time.

[Benny]

We almost tried, and then we.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Oh, you. Yeah, you rescheduled on us once.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Here's the thing. Everyone's. Oh, mad at me, mad at me, mad at me. This is a big deal. I say no to podcasts because why? I have no filter and gets me in a lot of trouble.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And we're going to have to edit the fudge out of the podcast. You're going to text us 10 things you want to cut.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, I won't because I'm trying to get better at it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But we're not going to walk you into, like, conversations where you would feel like you said something wrong either.

[Benny]

I always have that people. It's like, you know, I'm enjoying myself. And then they go, what do you think about the Kardashians? And I'm like, aren't we talking about a show? Like, are you really going to do.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's a really good example.

[Benny]

You know what I mean? I'm like, oh.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And what I think is I have a fatter ass.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I did a podcast recently where I specifically, specifically said before we started, I do not want to talk about my dating life. And it was the entire podcast.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And I was the last time you want to ate out.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And I was like, I don't remember.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I don't really remember.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I said, jeans are passed down from the New York.

[Benny]

Jeans are pasta.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Don't get me started on all of the different American ads. I'm sorry, but like, something's really going on. If you guys catch me wrapping myself in a fucking American flag for anything coming up, I want you to. I want you to call in a call probably ice. And I'd rather than take me than the people they are taking.

[Benny]

We would just call you. I think at that point call me like, hey, sweetie.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Hey, did you notice the flag you're wrapping around your body? Let's stick to clothes instead.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I saw Holmes can't come to the phone right now. She's dead.

[Benny]

It's a movie. It's pretend.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Pretend. You should know that.

[Benny]

Wait, Holmes. I'm just so happy you're here.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I am so honored to be here. I didn't know we were started when we were joking earlier, but like, I'm actually obsessed with both of you.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We don't say obsed on the podcast.

[Benny]

Yeah. Welcome to our domain. This is going to be a little different than the other podcast.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm not our canceled. You ride for us, I ride for you.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

But I am also too. But I. Yeah, I just really, really, I look up to both of you. I can't believe your brains are real. I genuinely can't believe that I. I really am. I'm like obsessed. Oh, fuck. I say a lot of notice.

[Benny]

No, no, just bleep all of it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Just a joke. We'll bleep it every time.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I ride. I ride. I ride. And Marybeth and I think actually got closer post set.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We had one scene together in the finale.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That's the thing. But I always knew. I was like, that's a really smart bitch.

[Benny]

The one scene is, do we have any chasers?

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, no, that's the second scene.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Oh.

[Mary Beth Barone]

The worst scene is, I'm disabled.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That's why Mary Beth is. I go, panic attack. Everyone has a panic attack. Different on screen. And I literally wish I could watch all of my friends, see what they choose to do. Panic attack on screen. Mary Beth did a phenomenal job.

[Benny]

Mine, Episode six, you incredible. Thank you, sweetie.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Don't you wish. Because you know, you'd see one of your friends do it and be like, that's how yours go.

[Benny]

I'm like, whoa. It is kind of a thing where it's like, has a panic attack. What does that mean to people? Mine is like, I cry a lot during them, and I get really r bed and, like. Like, lose breath. And I have to be, like, moving.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yes. I didn't know what they were growing up, and I had them so often, but then I had to, like, not have them because people are like, you're killing the vibe. And so then what I started doing, there was, like, this one phase where I was, like, going to school in North Florida for, like, just one semester. I was like, not okay. And every day on the ride to school, I would hold my chest in the steering wheel. And so I saw a therapist for the first time. And I was like, so this is kind of how I drive. And she was like, I think you're having chronic panic attacks. And I was like, I don't think I could drive in a panic attack, bitch.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And she's like, you're not supposed to.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

She's like, my favorite movies are this. And I was like, you're not my therapist anymore.

[Benny]

Yeah, you're not supposed to say that to me. I. It's that really special moment that happens when you, like, grow up and you realize that no one ever tells kids, like, if you're feeling this, this is normal. So I'm like, sitting at Pirates of the Caribbean, and I'm like, if I don't finish my frozen coke slushy, my mom's gonna be dead when I get home. And. And, like, that's going through my head. And I'm like, that's just how. That's how everyone's thinking that, right? And I would say that at school. And everyone's like, the fuck, Vinny? We'll just say, okay, quick disclaimer. We're about to talk about if there's a kid in the car.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, that's not the disclaimer. The disclaimer is we're about to talk about Santa. So if you have kids in the.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Car and I saw mama kissing Santa.

[Benny]

Claus, I saw mama doing some unbelievably goddamn unholy things to say.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Oh, sexy.

[Benny]

I know. Santa, baby is like, I can't wait to perform that at your wedding. At your.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I would love a song like that on my wedding. I'm ready, though. I'm ready to get married.

[Benny]

Well, I want to do boylesque at your wedding, so I'm in, like, a very.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I've never heard that phrase. Yeah, it's called boylesque.

[Benny]

Well, no, I hope. No, it exists. And I'll have tassels on my nipples. And it's me and a. And I do fever. No, I see you kind of already.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Seeing me do it. I do. Yeah.

[Benny]

When you touch me. Fever.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

When you're going to. It's a courthouse wedding. It's a courthouse wedding. He's the only guests.

[Benny]

Yeah, exactly. I'm on the courthouse. They're dragging me.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm like, mom and dad don't have to find a town, but I do. Arresting me a Boylesque performer.

[Benny]

Hey, so where can my Boylesk performer set up? He needs a green room. It'll be a big martini glass and me dumping whichever your favorite beverage is at the time. Maybe Jin.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Wait. So we did our disclaimer, and then we didn't talk on it, which is, like, you and I know. We're gonna.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We're gonna put. We're gonna put that before.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

We're gonna mix and match.

[Benny]

Yeah, we kind of remix all the episodes.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know. No one tells you.

[Benny]

Well, I was.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I was talking to people the other day about, like, when did you guys believe in Santa for actually a chunk of time or not. Because that, to me, was, like, something that. When I found out he wasn't real, I was like, magic isn't real. And then I was like. And people lie to me. You know, it is quite a.

[Benny]

That's quite a bomb. I remember my dad would dress up as Santa for, like, various houses, and one time, he got a little lazy at ours. Yeah, he would, like, dress up as Santa.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Like, it's like.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But unrecognizably.

[Benny]

I mean, my dad had a wig before I did.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Wait.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But I understand that can be shocking. And then you think, oh, what else are they lying at?

[Benny]

Well, my dad came in, and he. He was like. He had tousled. Hair. And I was like, dad, was that just. It was very. Was that just.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You motherfucker.

[Benny]

Like, I was like, dad? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, whoa. Okay. And then for a couple days, it's very me that I was like, okay. Yeah. I've been buying stuff this whole time. Also, it's why I think I'd be a bad. A beard. It's why I'd be a bad parent.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You're going to see Tina again.

[Benny]

My last thing on Santa is, it really hurt. And I will say that's when all my world started crumbling. And it was like, so the Tooth Fairy, too. And then I will say, the Easter Bunny. My parents didn't sell him that well.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

There was not one day where I thought a gigantic bunny was running around the other ones.

[Benny]

And, hey, what a sad life.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know. I mean, I guess I was sad, but also, like, I don't know to believe that. It's like, you would see them at this. Like, you know, I feel like you would come across.

[Mary Beth Barone]

See them at the zoo.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You would. There wouldn't be a huge bunny that they wouldn't put in a cage. Like, if there were huge. Like, you know, that's what we do with stuff. Something is cool. We cage it. You know what I mean?

[Benny]

I do remember at school, though, I said, like, so this isn't real either. And that's when all the teachers went, whoa, whoa, whoa, champ. Let's take it back a notch. You know?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm like, yeah.

[Benny]

I'm like, well, if one plus one equals two.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know.

[Benny]

They're like.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

They're like, and Jesus won't be coming down.

[Benny]

Interesting.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know. I started up like that, too. No, I remember visually looking out the window when I asked my dad, and he's like, I don't want to lie to you. And I remember watching, like, the tear fall down. No, because I remember just being so. Like, we're gonna have to rework a lot of stuff tonight before bed.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's tough.

[Benny]

What day was this? Christmas Eve.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It was us going to, like, a Christmas party. My mom bailed, per usual. Mentally ill. I get it, girl. I love you to death. And it was me. My dad and my sister were going to, like, one of his work parties. And, yeah, it happened there and then. I remember, like, a little bit after is when I heard about Elizabeth Smart. And I was like, I'm actually glad I heard about that after, because I remember being like. It was our. I was like, okay, a guy can't come down your chimney. Safely. Like, if he comes in the house, it's gonna be scary. And then I heard about Elizabeth Smart, and I was like, we are definitely not real.

[Benny]

We are the children of Elizabeth.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Did a guy go down her chimney?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, but he went in, like, her window.

[Benny]

He was working at the house, and I know too much about this.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Me, too. She looked a lot like me.

[Benny]

Oh, God. I literally should have been known as a kid. Childhood is so weird, because I remember the day I got picked up from soccer practice, and it was like, they found Elizabeth Smart.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It was like.

[Benny]

I remember that.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Nine months.

[Benny]

It's so.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

People are gonna tell me I'm wrong. They're gonna make eight and a half. No, they won't, because you're Bronies Rock. Oh. Shout out to the Baronies. Y' all have been so welcoming to me. I just want to say they love you so much.

[Mary Beth Barone]

They're the best community.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I mean, lovers.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We love them.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm curious, how can I ask y'? All, on your own podcast, how do you.

[Benny]

I mean, we're an open book.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Wherever you want to go. I'm like, worst memory to date. No.

[Benny]

I've got a feeling you talk about it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Oh, I'm curious because I've always been very nervous about forming, like, a specific fan base off of, like, who I am, because I'm so nervous of letting them down or something, even though that shouldn't.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Do you guys, like, feel like. Like, how often are you thinking of what their reaction will be, or do you not think about it very much? Are you guys listening? Is this annoying?

[Mary Beth Barone]

No. No. A lot of the time, I would think.

[Benny]

I think a lot of the time, I feel like we've created enough of a safe place for both us to make mistakes, have conversations about it, and for them to as well. If somebody said something on, like, the Reddit or in the comments, and it was like, you know, I feel like there's a conversation where it feels a little less trying to, like, catch each other or be mad at each other. So I don't know.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I feel like it's, like, a warm fan base.

[Benny]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But I. I think also it's. It's good for us to think about how we're gonna be perceived by them, because I do think they have, like, good judgment and they have high standards for us, and I like that because then we hold ourselves to a high standard, too. It's like, we don't want to disappoint them, we don't want to upset them, and we don't want to punch down. So I feel like that's been really good to have fans that we would hang out with. Like, sometimes I think about people who've gone really far in one direction of.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Like, their fans, and it's like, yeah, Austin, Texas.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Austin. Te. Exactly.

[Benny]

Cake. Can we just keep Austin weird? By the way, now that you brought.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It up, would we want to hang out with them? And it's like, yes. And so I want to. And I think we both are really careful because we just want to, like, make them laugh and make them happy, not put them in a weird position to have to, like, defend us in the future. Like, we are going to make mistakes. And so it's.

[Benny]

You will.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, well, I definitely will. And as a woman, I should be put to death whenever that does happen.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And as a woman, we'll make sure and be loud about it at that point.

[Benito Skinner]

It's Right.

[Benny]

With Penny drama, it's a little different. The show's a little. No, I. I agree. It's. I think, how I will feel also if we get to do season two of overcompensating, where it's like, there's a group of people who have. They're, like, an expectation and excited. I'm, like, happy to both deliver to them, surprise them, and also probably let them down in some ways. And at the end of, they make something that feels true and honest to me. Like, I think that that feels like what it feels like to make.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, that's why I ask, because for me, like, I've done a lot of feeling for my codependency, which used to be like, all my worth came from my friends loving me the most. And it would be like, you want to stay true to your art as well and not just be like, I'm only giving them what they want. And so I think that for season two, that makes so much sense to think about that.

[Benny]

Which is sad news, though. But you do. I mean, you're like, that. I think that's the sad part is being like, oh, this thing happened.

[Benito Skinner]

Like, I'm so bummed.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah. But Mary Beth makes everything funny.

[Benny]

I know.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It blows my mind. I told her that she was like, when we hosted a show, she was on the worst move possible. Backstage, she was like, don't want to do it. And then literally went up there, and I was like, so, so funny. Loves everyone so much. And I just blows my mind because I feel like I'm either really silly, goofy, or I'll be like, I'm completely shut down.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, but I. I. For me, I've been through so much emotional trauma, like since I've been a comedian, usually at the hands of straight men. And so I've just gotten used to performing under duress where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna cry. I cried the minute up to the second. It's like Katy Perry getting the text.

[Benny]

Oh my God.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Divorce. Before her biggest show of the tour.

[Benny]

Part of me. It was Brazil.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It was Brazil.

[Benny]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And was about with Russell Brand.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Russell Brand texted her while she was on tour with Teenage Dream and said, I want a divorce. She had to go and perform, wipes.

[Benny]

Her eyes and gets up there and plays Teenage Dream.

[Mary Beth Barone]

So I've done that so many times. And so now I'm like, oh, I can kind of do anything.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, that izing. I don't have the skill of compartmentalization. And I'll tell you this, everyone in my life wishes I did. You're here now.

[Benny]

Yes, but I'm here now. Now. It's very Britney.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And honestly, sometimes when I don't compartmentalize and just come out and say it, someone else in the room will be like, thank God someone said it. But unlike the five others are like, hey, you change the vibe for everyone.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, negatively.

[Benny]

So we feel uncomfortable. It's like that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's like you have to be true to yourself.

[Benny]

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[Benny]

So what's going on with you right now?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

What's going on? Well, I'll tell you this. Yeah, something is going on, which is yesterday. Two things happened that were alarming. One, I was driving and a bird was coming pretty low to the car. And I was like, that's totally fine. It's a bird.

[Benny]

So very end times.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, I was like, it will obviously continue on flying Flight, right. I jam smack into the bird. Okay. And I'm a vegetarian, so even though.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You'Re seeing me, like, I want everyone.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

To know, like, I don't think it's funny, but what did happen was it didn't die. I look back, you're in the middle.

[Benny]

Of your own horror film right now, and we're a part of it. You're like, something crazy is gonna happen to you again.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, it was flying. Like, it was almost like. And I look back and it was like kind of like swerving back up in the sky in that moment. I was like, in a Pixar film where like all of the birds friends were like, come on, Louise. You know? And like, she just sucked up flying, but, like, she didn't die. So that was like, definitely off.

[Benny]

I like that you went Pixar, because to me, it's horror film. And then the next thing is like, you go in the bathroom and Mary Best bashing your head against them.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Something like that.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I lost my bird. And then I know you had one.

[Benny]

And we see you later and we're like, you didn't come to the podcast taping. What happened? Did you not tell? You know, like, like that?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And at the end, I fly. Yeah.

[Benny]

You are a bird.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Well, yes, that's the thing. You transform into a bird.

[Benny]

Yes. It's. What's that movie? Birdman.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It's Birdman, but it's a woman.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It's bird.

[Benny]

Shot in one take.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benny]

I can't wait for a one take movie to come out, you guys.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

My one take movie where I sit down in one spot for a long time.

[Benny]

I've never seen the flesh. I cut my teeth on a wedding, right?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah, in the movies. Okay.

[Benny]

In the movies.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And then so I go, that's odd. Hasn't happened to me before for sure. But I was like, whatever. Then I'm having, like, I was like, you know what? Okay. So I don't get much touch, but touch is my love language. But like, ever since I had like, like four loves in a row, I was just like, you know what if I don't do that again? And so I like, don't get as much touch as I need. And I'm like, busy and getting work done. But then my therapist, like, you have to get a massage sometimes. Which I'm like, you're already expensive, you know? Yeah, but I do. So yesterday I went to get a massage, right? And I've been having like kind of some stomach pain. Not contagious, but I have noticed it where I'm just like, okay, whatever. Well, I could say tmi, but I don't want to. But it's not even about poop. It's much more like something is wrong where I'm like, I'll get my period multiple times. I went to a doctor for once and he told me, every once a month an egg drops, but sometimes instead of dropping, it will pop. Okay. And then I accepted that as truth. It happened again. I looked it up. Nowhere to be found.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I never heard that.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Exactly. So he did like a Dr. Seuss tail to me. It's not.

[Benny]

Was Doc Oz.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That was a scary doctor. Totally fingered me. Found nothing. What a nightmare. Right? Okay, we move ahead.

[Mary Beth Barone]

We have no choice but to.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

We have no choice. This was years ago. It just started happening again. So I go, an egg popped, right?

[Mary Beth Barone]

Sure.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Move along with my day. So I go get a massage yesterday, and she's doing everywhere. She gets to my stomach and she's like rubbing in. She's like 50 year old woman or whatever. And she's like, oh, no. You know, and she's like really hard right here.

[Benny]

I hate hearing that note. I'm like, I feel like I've let them down or something. I'm like, yeah, I'm tense.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, wake up on my stomach too. And I was like. I was like, no, I think something is like kind of up. And then she goes. Because it kind of hurt for a second. I kind of squatted her hand for a second. I had a reflex. Reflex. I just hit it a little and she goes like this to me. She smacks my hand away and she goes. She goes, let me do my job. Which I thought was so funny, so I laughed.

[Mary Beth Barone]

So you got assaulted twice yesterday. Once by a bird and once by masseuse.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

So then I laughed out loud. And then, yeah, she like stuck her finger so deeply in my belly button and was like going like deep in it. No, she was like. She was like, does that help? No, she was like, let me do my job. And then I was like, she was so deep. She just. She was. And then she started going on like a 10 minute thing. She's like, you need to get your blood drawn, all this kind of stuff. And so then I left the massage feeling worse than ever, you know?

[Benny]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

So that's kind of where I'm at today. But my stomach feels a little better today. And then right on the way here, I called my doctor. I called a doctor in LA to be like, hey, so eggs are popping. And my masseuse says that My stomach is, like, worse than ever.

[Benny]

Yeah. And I.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And it was an AI person, and she was like, I'll get you booked.

[Benny]

The bird's currently on your windshield. You're standing with the wipers.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And I'm just like.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And I'm like, hollywood.

[Benny]

Yeah, you go.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

City of Dreams, Louisiana's feeling good right now, but other than that, I do feel happy. I love my friend. I love a lot of things, but yesterday had an aura to it, for sure. Aura. I said it like this. Spelled like Rita instead of iu.

[Mary Beth Barone]

But it should be turning around.

[Benny]

It is.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It should be turning around. Have you hit anything with your car? An animal person?

[Mary Beth Barone]

A deer ran into my car once.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I have five witnesses. The deer.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Five witnesses were in a minivan.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I was driving. No, I was driving an SUV school bus. I was driving an suv, and we were going to Vermont, and the deer hit the car, and I didn't hit the deer. Ran into the car.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

The car.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It dinged the car a little bit. It hurt the deer more than it hurt the car, but it was obviously heartbreaking.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Benny]

I'm so sorry.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It shakes your day a little, for sure.

[Benny]

I swerved to miss a raccoon, and then I got in a wreck.

[Benito Skinner]

I got in a full fender bender.

[Benny]

And then I went to the act.

[Benito Skinner]

Right after I left the car there. Yeah.

[Benny]

Because I had to go to the act.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Set your score.

[Benny]

Yeah, it was terrible because I was.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Score. I didn't really.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I got a 28.

[Benny]

I think it was, like, 27. 28. Because it was just like. No.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You're saying that's bad?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I thought you were gonna be higher than that. Marybeth, I'm not gonn. I thought you're gonna be 32. I got a 23 just to clear the air.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

So my. My sister got a 31. And literally, my parents were like, do it again. And when I told them, they were like, you did so good. Yeah, well, they go. They.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I did good for what I wanted to get, which was a 28.

[Benny]

See, here's the thing. I just. I'm a. I'm a freak. Like, I. I did the SAT until I got perfect on writing.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Me, too. I did better.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Oh, I didn't do sat.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

They made me take SAT class. I was, like, sitting in the back on Facebook on my phone. I was, like, poking people.

[Benny]

I was giving people adderall during sat.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

During the class to be better at SATs.

[Benny]

I took an Adderall before it, and I still. I just, like, insane. I took an Adderall Then had a massive caramel macchiato from Starbucks and, like, a massive egg sandwich. And I'd be like, ready for my sat. Like, oh, I wouldn't.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That would sat well with me.

[Benny]

I'm like, in my Lacoste Polo, just being a cycle sweat.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Did you struggle to sit still growing up?

[Benny]

I still, like, in a car. My ankles are at my ears.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, I do, too. And it's, like, funny, because they want us to do stimulants. Like. Like, that's the answer is stimulants. But then it is like, okay. It helps my brain lock in. But then it's like, I'm still wanting to sort of vibrate around same.

[Benny]

Adderall's tricky for me, though, because it'll be like I focus on something and then it's just. Actually, I'm like, yeah, I organized all my Spotify playlists. It's like, well, we didn't need to do that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That wasn't what it was for.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I've been working. I've been working on this because. So they pretend I can't. I. You've never, like, on season. I was never on it because I can't act on it. But on some of my admin days where it's like, my life is like, look around. This is really scary. Whatever. Yeah. My therapist has, like, begged me for a long time to do it, and so finally I do it. But she said this because I'll say the same thing. I'm like, great. I'm glad that I, like. Yeah.

[Benny]

I'm like, I looked through. Everybody know the Nina Garcia.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You know, 100% Nina Garcia.

[Benny]

Oh, you had to know everything about Nina Garcia.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Nina Garcia.

[Benny]

One time, I literally just looked at every single belt that was on a website. It was like, hundreds of pages on Farfetch. And I'm just like, I'm going to see every belt.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm like, what if I focus on myself? Hate. You know?

[Benny]

That's such a good one.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

But she was like, you need to literally pop it right when you're. And have it.

[Benny]

It's fun.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I've never done Adderal, so I love it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm on it right now. So I, like, locked into this.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Locked into the combo.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I am.

[Benny]

Well, I think you'd love it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I don't know what would happen.

[Benny]

Maybe you wouldn't. I haven't taken it.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You know how coke doesn't do anything to me?

[Benny]

Well, yeah, you relax.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm immune to coke. It actually helps me sleep. If anything, I am totally immune to it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You want that and you wouldn't have it. I have. What do you take when you oxycontin? How it's supposed to make.

[Mary Beth Barone]

What do you take when you. What?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm like. I'm like. When you're bored on.

[Mary Beth Barone]

When you are addicted to heroin.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No. When you look at your wisdom teeth taken out. They'll give it to you Vicodin.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Vicodin. Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, I think they give my sister oxy. Would that not make.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Maybe that was before they realized how addictive it was.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Benny]

They were giving oxy to, like, I'm.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Like, my sister toe. They gave you oxy.

[Benny]

Totally.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And then they'd get a bonus of your toe hurts. All I can say is watch Dope Sick on Hulu, which is becoming Disney Plus.

[Benny]

I got my tonsils out and they gave me liquid. Whatever that was. It was.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I think it was like, you're lucky to be here.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm not kidding.

[Benny]

I went to college and I was like. They're like, oh, you're not going out because of your tonsils. I'm like, oh, I'm already out.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Party. Right now.

[Benny]

I'm kind of at the party, sis.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, that's what's crazy with people about meth. Because people are like. People who do meth are absolutely, like, gross nuts, whatever.

[Benny]

And dear Media Clip, that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Legally we have to ask you what you ride for.

[Benny]

Yes.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yes. Wait, where are we going?

[Benito Skinner]

Who cares?

[Benny]

Ride.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay, just pick one. We're not doing two. Pick one.

[Benny]

See? Hey, listen, don't be like that. So every now and then on set, it would get heated like this in one act, among.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Among actors, amongst.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

The.

[Benny]

We promise it's all love.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It's all love around here.

[Benny]

Yes.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, first off, I really do just ride for you too, so deal with it. Second one, incoming. Okay. I ride for the movie Will and Harper.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Okay.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I had never seen it, and I watched it just the other night, and I was like, you know what? I want big time comedy bros to not just like, like, donate privately to shit.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Like literally be like, watch me emote about my friend who is directly going.

[Benny]

To go and be interested.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Benny]

And take action. And also use your privilege to make that movie happen.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, it's just one of those things where I was thinking about it and I was like, of course. I empathize with a ton of trans people and so do all of us and all of our community. Where I was like, will Ferrell fans watching this movie.

[Benny]

Incredible.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Are gonna have, like, their first one ever. And it made me have this thing where it's like, yeah, so many people, like, do, like, a fundraiser or do whatever. And I'm like, that's all really important. But literally making, like, a genuinely entertaining. Like, you get to watch him, like, cry about not standing up for her in the right places. Because, like, standing up for people takes practice, as we know he's standing up for people a lot.

[Mary Beth Barone]

He doesn't get it right every time. And I think that's important for people to see and see that. It's like, there's discourse, so you actually have to take the top off before.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

You drink it and stir.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That sounds a little bit too. I'm going to make a documentary where I teach my friend Holmes how to drink water out of the bottle.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I don't respect trans people.

[Benny]

No, no. Literally, no. And then I'm over here. I go, do I put this up my butt? Like, is this for up my butt?

[Mary Beth Barone]

And I go, jackson, are we getting all this?

[Benny]

I'm so glad you're for this, because I remember watching it and being, like, so affected by it and also just feeling very proud, but also, like, they're both comedic geniuses, I guess. Actually, can you describe it for anyone.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Watching Will Ferrell and his longtime friend?

[Benny]

They were both writers on snl.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

They're both writers on snl. And then Harper transitioned much later in life, and she basically wrote an email to everyone that she worked with before she had transitioned to be a woman. Obviously, she knew she was a woman the whole time. Privately, she wrote it to, like, everyone she worked with and stuff. And I think think a lot of them were, like, really shocked.

[Benny]

It's like the broy culture of, like, writers rooms. And, you know.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Right. Like, I remember in the thing, it shows, like, Tim Meadows, who is now so very supportive, but responded it, like, kind of, like, bullshitting back, like, thought it was a bit email.

[Benny]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And anyways, then Will was like, we've been friends for so long. I didn't know this about you. And Harper loves, like, dive bars and, like, small places in the middle of the country, which I honestly really do, too, growing up in the Midwest. Like, I love to get drunk at, like, a dive bar where, you know, you're not gonna, like, like, get assaulted or something, you know, and which all of a sudden, Harper's mind was like, am I not. I'm probably not safe in these places anymore. And so then Will was like, let's road trip across the country and, like, go to all these places. So you get to actually get goosebumps.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And have conversations, too, because I think what's really nice about the level of friendship that they are. Because obviously, you shouldn't just ask any trans person any question that pops into your head. They're good friends. So it was kind of like an open discourse where Will could ask these things of, like, maybe there are stupid questions that a best friend can ask another best friend who's just come out as trans. But it felt like a very safe space for both people to have an honest conversation.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Totally. Well, because that's the thing, is with close friends, there are no boundaries. I cross every boundary, always. Especially conversationally. Not like in their room at night when you're touching. I'm like, I'm under his sleep.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benny]

Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, of course, my scary grandpa used to always tell stories like that. He's like, I hid under his bed and scared him in the night. And I was like, how are we men existing? But all this to say, yeah, I thought it was so beautiful to do that. And you could tell that. But also because Will's so famous, it gave Harper, like, a huge safety net to be able to, like, go into places for the first time as a trans woman visibly, and have. And, like, if something scary does happen, it's like, not only is a really huge, famous celebrity CIS guy here, straight guy, but also there is, like, a camera crew.

[Mary Beth Barone]

You know, it was big for parents, too, because it felt very accessible. Cause it was on Netflix.

[Benito Skinner]

And Will Ferrell.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Ferrell.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And Will Ferrell.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Like, we watch Elf every year and he does this.

[Benny]

I just wish everyone would watch it and realize that people are human beings. But. But I think that there is something very beautiful about the fact that a lot of those questions, again. Yeah. Are things that, like, somebody, you know.

[Benito Skinner]

If they're like, our parents or somebody who just.

[Benny]

They didn't grow up with seeing this.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yes.

[Benny]

As commonly, fortunately, as we have. So it's also being, like, seeing someone else ask those questions and be like, yes, this is a human being and this is his actual friend. And, like, being, you know, these questions that they're like, well, I could never ask, you know, because apparently I'm not woke. It's like, like, no, we never said that. You. You can.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Right.

[Benny]

Find a space where it's appropriate to ask the question. This being amongst two friends. So it makes sense. But I think it allowed some of those questions to be answered that unfortunately, so many. I think people don't ask because they're scared of, like, up.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

We have to be less scared of up. We have to be trying right now. And also, trans people have Always existed. I think it helped with that, too. Of just, like, I thought two things from watching it the other day. I couldn't believe I hadn't seen it yet. I thought, one. So many people feel helpless. And it's really cool to remember other ways we have power within our art, you know what I mean? Of just, like, literally, like, yeah, that showed someone's story so beautifully.

[Benny]

That was my ride.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That was my ride. And I like the power. I like, we are so powerful. And I think a lot of people are forgetting their power to change the culture. We change culture, and I think that that affected the culture.

[Benny]

It's like, just a really amazing piece of work. But, yeah, talks about America.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

The one that was in, like, the had, like, fuck Biden and stuff flags in it. But then they were all really friendly to her. That one meant a lot to me, too, because it's like, like, yeah, Biden didn't help a ton of the poor. Even though Trump is 1000% worse. We're in the most horrible territory ever. It, like, really does speak to, like, oh, a lot of these people who are, like, brainwashed into supporting Trump are not bigots. They actually, like, fully just want to, like, have money and to support their family.

[Benny]

Yeah. Have you seen We're Here?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No.

[Benny]

It's on hbo. It's really amazing. So three drag queens go into different cities in the US that are, like, you know, know, absolutely kind of scary. Scary and famously homophobic.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah.

[Benny]

And each one, a drag queen is paired with someone who, like, either really wants to express themselves via drag or has had, like, a child come out and they have, like, a bad relationship with them. It's their, like, healing journey of them trying to be like, I'm trying.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I want to watch that.

[Benny]

You. If you love that movie. This is so it. It just feels like that where it's. It's hard. Conversations are in every single episode. I can literally only watch, like, one a night because I just ball.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah.

[Benny]

It's literally taken me, like, so long to get through season because I'm like, I can really only do one a week or a month, because it'll be like, you know, a mom who was terrible to her daughter when she came out, so then she does drag and, like, invites the daughter. It's like, the beginning of the healing of their relationship. But it's people understanding. They're like, oh, I fucked up. So it is that will thing of, like, I probably have said things to you that really hurt you, and I'm coming to you being like, I'm so sorry. And I want to learn and I love you.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And they're like something someone else told them, like, that's so real. I mean, I remember in high school, my mom to me, like, we knew a girl who was dating her first woman instead of a guy. Like, so a bi person. And I was young and my mom was just like, it's a phase. And it was one of those things where in my head I was always like, okay, so like when you're kissing girls, that's like your face.

[Benny]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the one I.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Was like, my face is getting longer and longer.

[Mary Beth Barone]

It won't stop. It won't end.

[Benny]

So there's so there's this face that's now an era. Welcome to ride.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah. Yes. I love this so much. And yeah, I like the. I'm a documentary person, but I like Will and Harper. That's my last thing I'll say is that I like when a documentary, they can't always have hope, but I really like when they have hope. And that one really did.

[Benny]

Yeah. Oh, Sia.

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[Benny]

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[Benny]

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[Benny]

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[Benny]

What a absolutely fabulous ride. Can we ask a few overcompensating questions before we go, just because people listening are going to want to know some Hayley lore.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Thank you, people listening. I love Haley so much. She changed my life, and she changed my life.

[Benny]

I mean, you are just a tour de force.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I rewatched my first tapes. I sent in last night because I was coming here tonight.

[Benny]

You were brunette.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I was brunette. And I honestly was proud of my look that I did.

[Benny]

This is the Blonde Ambition episode because I asked both of my favorite comedians to dye their hair blonde for tv.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Legally Blonde.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

But I do think I want people to know because people would be like, well, Benny just picked you, right? And I'm like, actually, we had met at two different shows briefly. And then he really just went off my audition like it really was not him. Like, which also, as we know, Mary Beth auditioned a bunch, but it was like, no. He really, like, looked at my tape.

[Benny]

And I can't stress enough. Holmes and Mary Beth, the choices of scenes that you had to do for then the chemistry reads with other people because you guys were pretty much set. So then it was like going to the other people that you had to sort of. So you read with Carmen's Holmes had to perform the candid monologue to.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It became. It became a song to me.

[Benny]

Yeah. And I remember when. When we finally did it on set, it was so I got to be there watching you, and it was so disorienting, but also. So I was like, oh, my God, it's finally on camera. But you doing that scene. I just remember that was the audition and the best thing ever, which I hope you're okay with me saying this.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Say everything.

[Benny]

The first time you send in the Hailey thing, we just thought it was a slightly too fast.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah, you can do that for sure. They literally. It's not my first time they sent it back, they were like, hey, so they're gonna have to same thing slower.

[Benny]

Just a few people couldn't understand what you were saying. We're just like, just in case. When we send this up, we want to make sure everyone is nobody.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I would never be mad at that moment. That's always my. No.

[Benny]

It reminded me of when this girl in my high school won most Dramatic, but then she didn't agree to pose for the photo. I still ride for her to this day, thus becoming the most dramatic of them all. She wouldn't even do the fucking photo. It was so major, your understanding of Hailey as being as f as possible doing it was so Haley. It's like, well, duh you already had the part at that moment. It was incredible.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, I was watching the tapes last night, and I saw, like, the ones I re, like, sent after. And my note to my team, when I was turning them in, I was like, I know I'm still talking fast, but there's no way we can get slower than this.

[Benny]

Oh, totally.

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's the slowest we can do.

[Benny]

No, that's as slow as Haley Marie Matthews is going to do.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Artist.

[Benny]

Yeah, that's an artist.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, but that is my note. Lots of times I remember on the show before, people would be like, so we didn't understand anything. You said keep the energy. Energy.

[Benny]

No, but it was so. And like, I mean, fully, by the way. I understood every single.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That's how my friends talk. Like, we're talking very fast. But yes, I understood. And I just can't tell to all the people listening, like, really, like, it just changed my whole life. I mean, Hollywood tries to put you in a million boxes, but we are also Hollywood. And that's what's so cool about how we can change things. And you really did that with giving me this opportunity for real. I really mean it because, like, I just was never been able to be seen for a girl like that. That. And it annoys me because it's like, I'm an actor, not playing myself all the time. And I love her so much.

[Benny]

I mean, and you can feel that. I think that's too. It's like, there's no judgment of the way you approach the character. Like. Because I think I could tell in some people, like, when they would do a reading, they'd be like, you know, she's an idiot or she's a bimbo or. And I'm like, I never read her as that. And also, knowing the scripts later, I'm like, she's fully biochem. Like, this is the girl that can go out all night, and in the morning, she, like, does the test faster than anyone is like, that was easy. Bye. I have a party tonight.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

The biochem thing was a genius of you.

[Benny]

Like, I remember. I mean, I knew Haley was loyal, but you came in the first day and it was just like, no, she's obsessed with Carmen. This is her family. And it was just like, this is my dream that someone please fucking bleep that. But it's like, there's something really. I don't know it really. I think the whole thing.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It's my favorite thing in the world. It's my favorite thing in the world to get a character that the creator knows so well that then I get to live in. Because this thing kept happening when people would ask me about Haley, where they'd be like, well, everyone was a Haley. And in my head, I felt kind of insecure because I was like. I'll be honest. I didn't. Because I was hanging out with, like, a lot of weirdos in college in a different way. Like, Marybeth. And I went through our college photos at our last show, and Mary Beth was like, you were kind of 14 different people. And I was like, I guess, yeah.

[Mary Beth Barone]

So hard to see the through line.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And I was like. And none of them were at the sorority, right? And so. And not that Haley is either, but it was one of those things where, like, I didn't have a lot of Haley's. And so. So really where I got Haley was, like, fully just from the page and, like, you describing her. And then I was able to be, like, from the page. Know what else could exist in her brain? So I just want to be like, benny created this magical world that we got to play in, and you'll never, ever divide us.

[Benny]

I mean. Oh, my God. Do you have a favorite scene? I have my favorite scene of you. And I do think, like, one of the most gorgeous shots I have. But you ripping through the crowd at Charlie, I think is one of the greatest. Like, seeing that shot, I remember Mary.

[Benito Skinner]

Beth came to me.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I could not believe his eyes. I felt it on the monitor. I was like.

[Benny]

I was film. You know, I was throwing up in the basement.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Was, like, watching you guys filming. Like, everyone's filming. It's like, how about you hop in and grab your phone?

[Benny]

Get your phone out, Kayla.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Get your phone out, sweetie.

[Benny]

But I just. Oh, my God. I remember seeing that. I. I let out a witch cackle. Like, my laugh, it reached a different octave when I saw you ripping through the crowd. That was. It looked like you were gonna kill her. You were gonna kill Charlie.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Hia. I was blown away by I. Because I remembered being like, Charlie, I'm a fan of Charlie, right? And so. And I didn't try to connect with her on set in a way other than, like, professionally, because I was just like. We only had that quick moment together, and I was like. But genuinely, like, Pop two got me through a lot. You know, I'm, like, there with this person I look up to. But then I was like, you're not here at all. I was like, you are Haley. And for some reason, she actually thinks she can go on stage. And I was like, I just remember in my head, over and over, being, like, your friend literally abandoned you, and you're going to make her so, so jealous because you're gonna be on stage.

[Benny]

See it on your face, by the.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Way, Because I was like, if I actually acknowledge that that's Charlie and I'm Holmes, like, I will be, too. I won't be able to do this.

[Benny]

And the anger here yourself is literally more.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Want more of this.

[Benny]

It was so I. I need. I need way more Haley Grace. It literally that I want more Haley Grace. The dailies. And I remember when, just, like, we were going through the script, and I remember at the table reading, I had been waiting so long to hear you say, looks like you should just seen a ghost. And when I got to see that, that's one of those things where you know in that moment that you've hired all the right people and that everyone you're doing this with is right. Because of how the camera pans out and you're with the cop and you're there, and the makeup is. Oh, my God. Like, Lorna is so genius. And you have that ponytail and the fishnet gloves.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It's everyone. Well, and Benny, who hasn't slept at all and is working every single second because he loved the scene, was, like, staying and watching monitor. And I remember being like. That felt so, like, heartfelt. No, Grace is definitely the person who I knew. Like, I knew that girl in college, and I was like, mary Beth. Nailed it so much. Like, that was my favorite part of talking to other people who watch the show in my life is, like, everyone really connected to a different person. But since we're short on time, I do want to say my favorite scene.

[Benny]

Yeah. Wait. Yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

When I watch it, I watch it before alone to make sure I. With my sister, which I can feel alone. But because I want to make my own impression.

[Benny]

She wasn't supposed to see it. Those were private screens.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah. You were like. You're like, bring her in. No. And I remembered being like. Like, I think I'm like, like, all my scenes, which felt really crazy. Right? Because that's really rare. And.

[Benny]

Oh, yeah.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

But I think that episode two, it coming out of Rock Bar.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I knew you were gonna say that.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Also, because y' all both know this. I found out about losing a friend that day. Right. But who is, like, also worked in our industry, and there was no, like, I would want me, like, you know, to keep doing the day, whatever. But it was, like, so late at night, and it was so silly. Mary, who worked on the show with us, Bring the puke rig. Can I say that?

[Benny]

This the pu.

[Mary Beth Barone]

So the pu.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm supposed to put my head on the side of this parking meter and the woman is showing me and she's like putting kind of pushing to make the rig work. She's going to shout out of your mouth from that, this is me.

[Benny]

This is me bullying women. Because I. I literally was like, it should be. And I. I was there because I remember Holmes watching. She goes, yeah, and say that. I love that. Cuz I go, I want it to look like she's like the girl in the Exorcist. Like the. The is across the street. It goes so far.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

So then the woman whose job it was to sort of be in charge of the vomit comes and goes, we're out of vomit. And I go, that's the one thing we need to not.

[Benny]

So we used it on all the test ones. And then also there was a take where during the test one I didn't know we were shooting, when I felt I'm fully gay in it. I'm laughing, I'm like, I. I break fully. I mean, I'm terrible.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

We use you smirking a little, which is good, I think actually then he.

[Benny]

Would have been like that he was gay.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And it's like, you're gonna show it at this point.

[Benny]

It's major.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Yeah, well, yeah, because I fell out there and Mary thought it was an accident. I go, if I fall again, let's keep rolling, right? Yeah, but so I fall. And then Mary comes up to us and she shows us a bucket of what the puke is. And she goes, you're gonna put this in your mouth. And I go, I need you to come back to me and I need you to tell me exactly what's in that bucket. She goes back, she says something like 3am 90, 99% water. And then she's like, like turmeric, cocoa powder and pee or something like that. And she goes, is that okay? And me, I both and Benny, I go, not really.

[Benny]

So no, but we'll do it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It was like, it's so fun, actually. And it was completely okay. And so then for the take that we used, that was the only. I think we only did it two, maybe two times. Yeah, held it in my mouth and so then came out. And I just.

[Benny]

When I watched that scene, it's more realistic.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

It's more realistic. And I just. Honestly, when I watch Haley in that moment, I'm like, it's just a thing as an actor where you're like, can I do Drunk. Well. And I'm like, I really liked how he did that.

[Benny]

Oh, when you go, really? See how everything worked out? That, See how everything worked out.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I went through a, I went through a.

[Benny]

And then you and Nell, I mean.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That'S, Nell was really good at playing back with whatever I did too. No, the whole cast was, was just really talented. And it really does speak to like, Because I know, I just know behind the scenes things, it's not always so easy. So I just believe that you fought for everyone in a way that I'm grateful for.

[Benny]

I mean, easy to, yeah, easy to be passionate about you guys. I also remember Nell, when she spins you, you're still kind of gyrating. So she was trying to kind of hold you somehow. She does this thing where she goes, hi to me going back in. Which I'm just like, that is so that girl. Like, it was just so. I almost cracked and gay. Because it's like, that's so funny that she would still be like, hi.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Hi. That night to me is perfect. And also because my favorite thing about being on set is that it is like camp kind of like, I like that we're like up late at night and that like you're allowed to feel so silly, goofy. And you're like, at work.

[Benny]

Well, we're doing that. Wally's in that car.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Party car.

[Benny]

Well, that's one of those things where I. You write something in a script and you're like, oh my God. I, I, I would kind of get embarrassed because I was like, I totally forgot that was in it. And I think that this is so important to the story. And I'm like, I just did that to kind of give you, you know, a vibe. It didn't have to be that.

[Mary Beth Barone]

No, it's important.

[Benny]

So this adorable man who like does the car rentals for the show comes up to me and he goes, I got you your car. And I went, what car? I'm like, what is he talking about? And he points to that Nissan. I cuz I said, I think it'd be funny if it was a Kia Soul and it was green. And he goes, they did green for you. I had it painted. And I was like, like, oh my God. And then he had lights put in. It was so details.

[Mary Beth Barone]

What makes the show so good, in my opinion.

[Benny]

It was so funny. But it was just like one of those things where it was like he had just gone so above and beyond. That was. I agree. That was such a fun night on.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

And then at the end of that episode, well, the End of the episode. That was my first cry of the show. Yeah, right. Am I thinking of the wrong episode? That's you guys in parking lot or is that next?

[Mary Beth Barone]

That's them.

[Benny]

Yeah. Yeah, we go to the parking lot.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

That was my first cry of the show because then obviously I Cry episode 5. But I remember looking at Candace and being like, like, okay, so this show's like gonna get us here, you know?

[Benny]

What do you think of the fan edits? What's it like seeing Haley Marie Matthews.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Live out a lot of things.

[Benny]

She would have love all the Page Six, loved her.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I've had this a few times. I think Haley would be disappointed in me and how little I am, like, self promoting and I have.

[Benny]

Hey, she would.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know. Yeah, I know. And I want to say to anyone who does listen to this, because I do little press. First off, I didn't have pr. I was a recurring character. But second off, off, the truth is that, like, I do feel overwhelmed when I see so much of my face at once. But it makes me so, so, so ten times a million, so happy to see that I'm making people laugh and that people resonate with Haley. I have a hard relationship with, like, seeing my face so much so it made me really, really happy. But then I was also like, I don't know, I didn't know how to interact with it so much. It's like this weird thing where, like, you want to be an actor and a comedian, but then like, we're in this new generation of time where so much of that is like, kind of promoting ourselves. We're used to not be like that. So part of it is like, PR does stuff I don't pr. But then second off is like, I think I'm also dressed in like, for me, now that you guys know me more, it's like I'm kind of in full drag.

[Benny]

Oh, fully.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

So for me, sometimes that was a little dysmorphic for me, but never in a way where I'm crying or something more in a way of I'm just like, it doesn't seem like me, but I love it. All that to say I love the fan cams. They. And seeing how it made people laugh, laugh so much. Especially during, like, yeah, the world is so devastating right now. And I know we're all doing what we can to help change that, but a huge part of that is that we have to, like, keep laughing. And. And also, I know Haley will be for the cause.

[Benny]

Oh, of course.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I mean, speak up. It's challenge.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

She might be Says, like, silence. I'm a little bit like, no. Literally, no.

[Benny]

She kind of spilled. No, I didn't say that.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No one knows that. It was pouring rain during that scene.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I know.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

One take with the tailgate.

[Benny]

Same with tailgate. I mean, so much of it is like, we just. Oh, God, we shot so much. It makes me so sad because we were shooting a year ago today, so my phone is literally, like, cucking me every day. It's like, remember this? And I'm like, yeah, it was really fun.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I know that we can't talk about it too much, but I'm just like, every single meeting I'm in that is with people in our industry, they're like, where is it? Like, they're like. They're like, I just wanted to know. It's like the show. Yeah, it was just amazing. I wouldn't change anything. And if I wasn't on it, it would be my favorite show that's come out. Like, I just know that so intensely. I really mean it. You're literally so, so, so funny. So talented. You did the perfect cast. And I want everyone to know I'm obsessed with Haley. I love your fan cams and I'm sorry that I don't know how to be a person on social media.

[Benny]

Okay, last thing I'm gonna say, because we are running something.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

What is it, a date or something?

[Benny]

She's gonna stab me in the gut.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Is it a date? Say if it's a date.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Yeah, I have a date at 4.

[Benny]

Yeah, she has a date at 4 in LA. But I remember there's one scene that should have happened that we didn't get to do because for time. Do you remember? It was supposed to be you walking in with Zara Bags and Benny there. And I go, hey, did you guys get a letter? After I kind of have my, like, manic, like, where's this letter? And I'm actually so glad because we would have had to do a 100 takes because I'm supposed to say, well, I see you at the tailgate later, and you go, oh, you'll see me. And you have the Zara bags. I'm just like, h, I miss it.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

There's more to come. It's going to happen.

[Benny]

I hope so.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Well, yes. Nothing official, but I feel. I feel it in my soul and is going to.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Haley will rise again.

[Benny]

Haley will rise him.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

Haley will rise again.

[Benny]

What's. Like, what's. What would be the perfect thing?

[Haley Marie Matthews]

She's mad. She's mad.

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm not mad. I just have dog hair on my leggings.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

I'm trying to do your voices. You do on them. Because I like when you do voices. Mary Beth is sillier on the pod than she is in Day to Day, of course. Which I think is this.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Is this.

[Benny]

She's very. She's very fake. When we come.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Get this right. Get this right. She's funny 24 7, but she'll let her. Like a lot people of Shake it do.

[Mary Beth Barone]

And I'm like a little voice because.

[Benny]

I ran your gay guys.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

What's your question?

[Mary Beth Barone]

I'm in my safe space.

[Benny]

Oh, no. I'm just thinking of what we could say at the end.

[Benito Skinner]

That's like a perfect.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

A button.

[Benny]

Button. One, two, H. Oh, my. Exit.

[Mary Beth Barone]

Benny, babe. Eyes on the road. There you go.

[Benny]

Ride.

[Haley Marie Matthews]

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