Jesse and Scott talk about The Visitors by Clifford D. Simak

Talked about on today’s show:
the art for one of the covers, the Del Rey paperback, a 2001 style slab hovering, fleeing, or are they running to it?, genuinely surprised, isfdb.org show all covers page, the big black slab, chances are?, the story by Clarke, this is War Of The Worlds but done by Simak, conflict not so much into it, the war part that’s missing, let’s shoot at it, twice, immediately vapourized, interesting vapourization, not oblivious to human nature, wants to minimize, the conflict exists but is repeatedly dodged, when the president wakes up, still asleep?, not quite Reagan, set in the future slightly, a space station and the shuttles are up, the Soviets have their own space station, Skylab?, repurposed Apollo, everything still works the same, functioning tech, a pretty good book, the regular humans, hated the politician stuff, why we spent so much time in there, a flawed concept, what’s so good about Simak, the personal, boyfriend likes fishing, the opening scene, getting a haircut, a “bigot”, shoots himself, look at thing I’m gonna shoot it, stopped, kinda what the barber said, your way of attacking me, gone out of fashion, racist, nazi, people say words and don’t know what they mean or where they come from, being shaped, a harsher word for something, talking like Jesse, people being programmed, making the Jesse argument, it is a weird word, it sounds harsh, it is unclear what it means, you can almost hear the French accent, what it means what it does, bi as in bicycle, the German of god, two beliefs, good for my people, bad for your people, could be religious, a synonym for being small minded, this is gonna be the theme of the book, the aliens come down, the little speech that he gives, they won’t let us fish on our land, in the context, it colours what the end is, is this War Of The Worlds, Visitor of the Worlds, visiting the Motel 6 of the universe, this image of 2001,would have been aware, even on the original serialization, the wheel in space, like sheep trying to get to the center, communal, some technology, they give birth, they hold your hand, they take you inside them, the ending and the suggestion is excelllent, the government stuff, not boring exactly, on the nose and naive, newspaper guy as a long time, wishful, very accurate, but accurate for what?, if you spend any time with people, what they’re about, the artifice is gone, just deflection, experts on these things, easy to do soundbites, hard to do 3 hour podcasts, if they read the book or not, not naive about newspapering, super-accurate, loving touches, writes the editorials, covers all the stories, the paper gets printed and he does it all again, I dont want to be a center of the news, a tree researches, a ufo kook, very reasonable, what stories like that do to people, revel in it, more painful for most (than pleasurable), the way the book works best, Ray Bradbury feeling, the third one with the shadows, very suggestive, making your mind spark up, what’s going on in that house?, a 1 star review, if you don’t resolve it I’m not interested in your book, ambiguous and then ignored, glossed over, really really great, it could be anything, found a house, made a copy of a human, it being open, much better than if it is closed, what would that mean, the dealing with the indians, the problem with the whiteman, it breaks you economy, about a redaction, they submit their last story to the government, a panic scene, drowned, get his free car, not super reflected in the book, something is free, people like free, all of Jesse’s ancestors were effected by such things, free land in Saskatchewan, I like free, economy in europe, laws against everything, go there and occupy it for a certain amount of time, at that time, lived there for a generation or so, moved west, Alberta, British Columbia, job opportunities, world wars, what they think of what will be Canada, the stories your hearing, the exact same thing, it wasn’t to vote for Democrats, your loyal to Canada, you came in under this flag, everything is so weird, get a free flying car, do they need to eat more cellulose later?, the free cars are the the gunpowder that gets you into the system, that’s what all that political stuff is about, wreck the economy, introduce it all slowly, if it turns out it wasn’t some rando, we’ll be able to communicate, as an idea, a couple of Philip K. Dick technologies, Minneapolis, a honey of a line, cold shivers up your spine, would have scared the pants off him, methodically crossed out the paragraph, too scary, not enough concrete evidence, did you see it yourself, you can’t imply that, what was the result, it topples because too many get on, that mad rush for free, free iphones!, the power of the newspaper, very soft, there will come soft rains, it’s suggestive, a mix of War Of The Worlds and Rendezvous With Rama, a show with Eric on Clarke’s first short story, 1937, Travel By Wire, a bunch of scientists playing jokes on each other, no families, very sterile, when Clarke fakes that stuff, a disaster movie as a book, Simak likes girls, he likes dogs, he likes children, it wasn’t what he wanted to write about, the sterileness is very minimal, Science Fiction Review from 1981, Sue Beckman, Summer 1981, “biologic black boxes”, little bit of Canada, the beasties are nice, used cars, a forestry student on a fishing vacation, the big momma, this writing has personality, divine their ultimate intentions, the surprise endings, a poor reason to plod, an audiobook, it can flow, consider this, disrupt commerce, invulnerable to attack, naw, a newspaperwoman, “cute”, Roadside Picnic, pussyfoot around, on target, “pest-control”, bearing gifts, contemplating a new kind of world, a new way to live in it, the classless society, post-scarcity, page 133, this may have been true, benefactors, a sub-theme, white man invades indian land, imperialism, dubious, not well developed, an interpretation, might just have well been working for the Daily Planet, spent his life in the newspaper business, cartoon characters, a bunch of deceitful knuckleheads, 1979, an entertaining short story, Simak can do much better than this, a shorter story, a novella or novellete, very proficently done, an old man’s novel, 75 in August 1979, gossip, the bureaucrats in Washington, the Washington pieces, tedious and unconvincing, come up with no ideas, they don’t add anything to the book, dithering, loose ends dangle, dissected, that’s true, rewards, generally a positive review, They Walked Like Men, disrupt the economic order of The United States, Simakian fantasy of beneficent aliens, dreamy vengeance on industrial capitalism, though hurried, a never never world, a miraculous restoration of the status quo, typical of Simak, we’ve had lengthy discussions about Star Trek universe economics, cable companies, satellite tvs, laws protecting the cable companies, what has happened since then?, impede and slow down, cut ties with cable really early, except lately, Malad, cut cable, Logan, never watched the tv, couldn’t have internet alone, keep their business model afloat, it wasn’t just internet, what internet could do, long distance phone calls, North Vancouver, Coquitlam, pay to make a phone call to my grandma, ridiculous, they would make the argument, these cable lines need to be pay for, Jesse, phone calls to everybody all over the planet, Skype Out, landlines, not everybody was, a revolution, long distance phone calls are still a thing, they don’t even try anymore, making something expensive inexpensive or free (essentially), more efficient, member when television would offer you bundles of channels, get the access, I want to watch Babylon 5, broadcast tv, involved with the subsidization of giant telecoms, only interested in getting closer to the thing without as much hassle, they don’t break down, lower the barriers to trade, making things flow, getting the things to the people that want them, physical barriers, drive a truck over there, accessibility with cost, there’s no GDP when Christopher Columbus comes over, they don’t have a moentary system to facilitate trade anonymously, the grease in the wheels, this is our resource, we’re the monopoly on trade on this, this is also the story, when these aliens come they don’t trade, supposed to be the analogy of what the indians saw, this is for export, why do you want the gold so bad, gives me status there to have this thing, we completely understand it, we’re soaking in it, baby’s first bank account, shopping cart, look at all this free stuff, a story on the internet that’s persistive and evil, stories about animals trading leaves for food, cat goes in with a leaf in it’s mouth and trades it for a fish, animals don’t understand trade, they do understand trade, make arrowheads out of coins, oh hey, living animals here, let’s look at it, examins this guy telepathically, they like cars and houses, european invaders, Simak doesn’t say this is good or bad, what if?, there isn’t any judgment by Simak on all this dithering, what killed the alien?, why did it die?, one point in the book, it was given, not ruinous to the book, supposed to be engimatic, when you read Clarke stuff, what the hell are these things, if you read the script, interact with the black things, things change for humans or prehumans, there is no narrator, my god it’s full of stars, 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