Sex in Perspective: “ It's like every weekend there's fresh meat.”

Summary

Silver Linings with The Old Gays

Episode: Sex in Perspective: “ It's like every weekend there's fresh meat.”
Release Date: May 27, 2025
Host/Hosts: Robert Reeves, Jessay Martin, Bill Lyons, and Michael "Mick" Peterson
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In this candid and engaging episode of Silver Linings with The Old Gays, hosts Robert Reeves, Jessay Martin, Bill Lyons, and Mick Peterson delve deep into the multifaceted world of sex and relationships within the LGBTQ+ community. Drawing from their extensive personal experiences, they explore everything from cruising and bathhouses to the evolving landscape of online dating, all while offering humor, wisdom, and heartfelt insights.

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Exploring Diverse Relationships

The conversation kicks off with a reflection on the varied nature of relationships among older gay men. Bill Lyons emphasizes the diversity, stating, “When it comes to sex and relationships, you can imagine our lives have been filled with many salacious stories and sweet romances. But relationships come in many shapes and sizes, especially in the life of an old gay” ([01:18]). This sets the tone for a discussion that acknowledges both the vibrant and the nuanced aspects of their romantic lives.

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Cruising and Bathhouse Experiences

Cruise Ships:
Jessay Martin shares his experiences on cruise ships, highlighting the lively and often unpredictable nature of these voyages. “Cruises, life begins after midnight, especially for the entertainers on ship, the crew...” ([02:37]), he explains, painting a picture of the late-night adventures that add excitement to their lives.

Memorable Sex Stories:
Robert Reeves recounts a particularly romantic memory from his time in San Francisco: “We took off our clothes and waited out and climbed up on a rock in the surf and had sex on top of the rock with the waves crashing around us” ([05:30]). Similarly, Bill Lyons shares a tender encounter at a gay beach near the Golden Gate Bridge, emphasizing the beauty and spontaneity of these moments ([06:35]).

Bathhouses:
The hosts delve into the significance of bathhouses in the gay community pre-HIV. Bill Lyons reminisces about the Rich Street Baths in San Francisco, describing it as “a playland, absolutely” ([09:03]). Mick Peterson shares his first experience at the 8709 West 3rd Street bathhouse in Los Angeles, highlighting the communal and relationship-building aspects of these spaces ([10:24]).

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Memorable Stories and Personal Reflections

Folsom Europe Experience:
Mick Peterson recounts his time at Folsom Europe in Berlin, detailing the raw and theatrical atmosphere: “It was just this incredible milieu of people from all over Europe. We're all playing, we're all having fun, we're all taking substances, and we're all just enjoying ourselves being gay” ([07:27]). This experience underscores the diversity and vibrancy of queer gatherings internationally.

Bathhouse Dynamics:
Robert Reeves adds context to the bathhouse culture, mentioning a specific bathhouse in the Tenderloin area: “There was a Mac truck inside the building. And you could play in the cab of the truck or on the hood of the truck wherever you wanted” ([09:53]). These anecdotes illustrate the unique and often adventurous environments that fostered connections.

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Misconceptions About Sex and Kink/Fetish

Understanding Kink:
Mick Peterson takes the lead in demystifying kink and fetish, explaining: “Kink means unconventional or taboo sex, mostly dealing with bondage and sadomasochism. The biggest misconceptions I think people have about kink is people's aversion to pain” ([22:49]). He elaborates on the endorphin rush associated with kink activities, comparing it to the high athletes experience: “It is tantamount to sex. And I think people are afraid of that because they think it's long-lasting. It isn't” ([23:16]).

Personal Growth and Education:
The hosts discuss how their understanding of kink has evolved. Bill Lyons admits, “I used to equate kink to weird. But after hearing your stories... I have a greater understanding and I don't consider kink weird anymore” ([26:08]). This segment highlights the importance of education and open-mindedness in overcoming stereotypes.

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Transition from Traditional Cruising to Online Dating

Dating Apps vs. Cruising:
The group transitions to discussing the shift from traditional cruising to the modern landscape of online dating. Mick Peterson shares his recent experiences with dating apps, humorously noting the superficial interactions: “I had this guy who said, wanna fuck?... he seems a little too wild for me” ([27:27]). Jessay Martin echoes the sentiment of online fatigue, expressing frustration with repetitive questions: “I get tired of people saying, what are you into?” ([27:41]).

Nostalgia for Bars:
Bill Lyons reminisces about the immediacy of meeting partners in bars: “The thing that I liked the most was going to bars because you could find out what they were into. They were there. It was instant sex” ([28:35]). This nostalgia underscores a preference for more spontaneous and authentic connections compared to the sometimes transactional nature of apps.

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Silver Linings Takeaways

As the episode wraps up, each host shares their personal "silver lining" regarding sex, love, and romance:

• Robert Reeves: “The silver lining about sex is that sex is a very important part of your being throughout your life, no matter how old you are. And I also believe it's an important component of health. And that ... an orgasm a day is good for you” ([29:28]).

• Bill Lyons: Reflects on meaningful long-term relationships, stating, “I had two wonderful partners... the joy of being with him, traveling with him, and just having a great time” ([30:05]).

• Mick Peterson: Focuses on trust and deep emotional connections, sharing a poetic description of his ideal partner:
  “My dream man stands 6 foot 4 of 235 pounds of pumped ripped and vascular Dom... It is all or nothing with him” ([21:17]).

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Conclusion

This episode of Silver Linings with The Old Gays offers a rich tapestry of stories and insights into the sexual and romantic lives of older gay men. From nostalgic tales of cruising and bathhouses to contemporary challenges with dating apps, the hosts provide a heartfelt and humorous exploration of love, sex, and connection within the LGBTQ+ community. Their reflections not only entertain but also shed light on the evolving dynamics of queer relationships.

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Notable Quotes:

• “An orgasm a day is good for you” – Robert Reeves ([29:28])
• “Cruises, life begins after midnight...” – Jessay Martin ([02:37])
• “Kink means unconventional or taboo sex...” – Mick Peterson ([22:49])

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Tune In Next Time:
Join Robert, Jessay, Bill, and Mick in two weeks as they share their coming out stories and discuss the ongoing importance of celebrating queer identities.

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Transcript

[Mick]

Ruby.

[Bill]

There was just this one huge.

[Robert]

Orgy room and orgasm. A day is good for you.

[Jesse]

And have fresh breath.

[Robert]

Come on.

[Jesse]

From just beyond the lights of Los Angeles in steamy Palm Springs, California, it's Mick, Robert, Bill, Jesse, and this is.

[Mick]

Silver Linings with the old gays. Hello, lgbtq, queer community and everyone else under the sun.

[Jesse]

Silver Linings is our stage for sharing stories and lessons from our lifetime of living out loud. From sex and relationships to fashion, art and aging, we'll share the wisdom we gained over the years on our last.

[Bill]

In the last episode, we talked about community and chosen family. But today we're getting a little not safe for work. Talking all about sex and relationships of all types.

[Mick]

Now onto the good stuff.

[Bill]

When it comes to sex and relationships, you can imagine our lives have been filled with many salacious stories and sweet romances. But relationships come in many shapes and sizes, especially in the life of an old gay.

[Jesse]

I would listen to them and their sex stories because their lives have been more exciting than mine.

[Mick]

Yeah. Now we want to hear you first.

[Robert]

Now.

[Mick]

It's so uninteresting. Let's start with the least.

[Robert]

Okay.

[Jesse]

It is so uninteresting. I'm so vanilla and baby sex wise has been a while because I'd gone through my prostate cancer. So it's changed my life wholly. But things are slowly coming back. But in the past is a secret.

[Mick]

You.

[Robert]

You are a romantic guy, aren't you?

[Jesse]

Very much.

[Robert]

Yeah. Probably the most romantic of the group.

[Jesse]

Yeah. I'm not a like y' all.

[Mick]

Except on cruise ship.

[Jesse]

Hello. Oh, that's right. Cruise ships.

[Mick]

Cruise ship. Just as a slut.

[Robert]

Oh, tell us.

[Mick]

He's the biggest slut in the western Mediterranean.

[Jesse]

But I don't share.

[Bill]

Tell us about that dancer that came to your place at 1am in the morning.

[Mick]

Yeah, who was that guy? His footprints are all over you.

[Jesse]

And that's been years.

[Mick]

No, it was last year.

[Jesse]

Well, yes. Well, I have found that on cruises, life begins after midnight, especially for the entertainers on ship, the crew, because they are not allowed to socialize with us.

[Mick]

During normal business hours.

[Jesse]

Yes. And I like staying up late, so.

[Robert]

I kind of slowed down as I've gotten older. But I have to say that my San Francisco years from 1980 to 1990 were pretty outrageous at the beginning and interesting over the balance of the 80s. And then moving to the desert here, Palm Springs, Cathedral City, it sucks all the time.

[Mick]

I kind of think that's a misnomer. You know, when you first move to the Valley. Yeah. You kind of are very active. And then as you get to know everybody, everybody. Because, you know, the tourists come and go, and they don't come back. So it's just getting to know each other that usually happens in the summer months.

[Bill]

I agree, because one of the first things I learned when I moved to Palm Springs in 2003 was the Summers were so dull that friends even had sex with friends.

[Robert]

Oh, my God. God. As Mick mentioned, the tourists come and go, but it's like every weekend there's fresh meat weekend.

[Jesse]

They come out here seven days a week.

[Mick]

Okay, Bob, what was your favorite sex story that you want to relate to us?

[Robert]

My favorite sex story? Oh, I have so many.

[Mick]

I know. Pick one.

[Robert]

Oh, I guess one of the most thrilling for me was in San Francisco, and I lived near the Castro area, which is one of the gay neighborhoods. And I was in a video bar talking to this very attractive young guy, a ballet dancer from a New York ballet company that was in town. And it was one of those rare, warm San Francisco nights. And so we drove out to the beach, and it was a beautiful, moonlit night. And so we took off our clothes and waited out and climbed up on a rock in the surf and had sex on top of the rock with the waves crashing around us. And it was really pretty exciting.

[Bill]

Bob, was that at Land's End?

[Mick]

Yeah.

[Bill]

Okay. Because I have a very similar story. You drove over the Golden Gate Bridge at the Marin Headlands. There was a gay beach. The north end of it was straight people, and the south part of it was all gay. So I went down there, laid my towel down, and I looked up, and there was this handsome guy looking at me. And he was playing with himself. And I looked at him, and I was staring at him. And then he pointed to himself and he said, me. And I went, yeah. So he moved his towel up, and we went to a very discreet place and we played all afternoon. It was a sunny day. We were watching the boats come in and out under the Golden Gate Bridge, and again, the surf was crashing. And it was an absolutely wonderful afternoon of lovemaking.

[Robert]

Those are special moments. Meg, are you asleep over there? You had any memorable sexy experiences?

[Mick]

Well, not vanilla. I went to folsom Europe about 10 years ago. Folsom is an event for the leather community and the fetish community, and they hold a festival. And in. It began in San Francisco on Folsom street, and it just morphed into this huge event. Folsom Europe is a little different. It's in Berlin, and it's much more leather. It's much more raw and rough. Berlin is very theatrical. It's where the theater really. Much of our. What we know as theater really originated in Berlin. And it was just this incredible milieu of people from all over Europe. We're all playing, we're all having fun, we're all taking substances, and we're all just enjoying ourselves being gay. Anyway, the major party at Folsom is called Pig. That's P. I. G. And what was cool about it is that they had enormous arched hallways lit. And then there was a dark room on the other side. And so I went into the dark room and I played around with some guys. And then somebody grabbed me from behind, really strong man. And he whispered into my ear, just stay standing. And so it was enormous. It was incredible. I touched the sky. And after. And after I settled down, I leaned over to the guy and asked him, just out of curiosity, where are you from? And he whispered into my ear. Long Beach.

[Jesse]

You went around the world to meet another American.

[Robert]

One of the biggest elements of growing up gay and having sex is bath houses. Bill, what about you? Have you ever had a bathhouse experience?

[Bill]

Oh, my God.

[Jesse]

I told you.

[Robert]

They dared.

[Bill]

When I was in San Francisco, I mean, if you went out on the weekend and if you didn't pick up anyone in the bars, you just went to one of the myriad of bath houses that were all around. And my favorite one was called the Rich Street Baths. And it was south of Market and a converted old warehouse. And it was on three floors, and it was absolutely fantastic. On the third floor, there was just this one huge orgy room. And it was always packed with people. It was a playland, Absolutely.

[Robert]

San Francisco pre HIV was definitely a haven for debauchery. And I remember one in particular in the Tenderloin area that had a Mac truck inside the building. And you could play in the cab of the truck or on the hood of the truck wherever you wanted.

[Mick]

The first introduction I had to a bathhouse was in Los Angeles. It was a place called the 8709. And it was at 8709 West 3rd street, just across from Joe Allen. And I went there, and I have never seen so many beautiful. But this was pre age. I'd never seen so many beautiful bodies in my life crammed into one building. And not only that, there was a central kind of cruising area where everybody could check each other out. Everybody, of course, is clad in white towels. And they're walking around, they're checking out each other. And I was totally intimidated. And it Was at that time when I realized, well, you know, even though when you go to the baths and you go with somebody, it's a buddy system. And so, you know, you. You make sure that you go in together, you leave together. But I think, you know, it was a communal place where you got to know people and developed relationships with people now who are no longer with us. And I miss them because, quite frankly, they were the fun people. And I'm glad that there's a whole new generation that's come up that's enjoying themselves and trying to be free about their bodies and really trying to be themselves as sexual beings. Because quite frankly, that's how we procreate. And quite frankly, that's how we experience love.

[Jesse]

Question for you. What happened when you went in? You said it was better to go with somebody than alone. What would happen if you went in alone? Did you get lost in a crowd or.

[Mick]

No, that's in case something happens.

[Jesse]

Okay.

[Mick]

You know, you have a buddy to check you out. You know.

[Jesse]

I can tell that was a buddy. What would you consider cruising? Etiquette?

[Bill]

Oh, I don't think there's any etiquette in cruising.

[Robert]

To the extent. Extent that if you're cruising a guy and through his physical manifestations, he shows disinterest, you know, not to try to.

[Jesse]

Or interest.

[Robert]

Or interest. Yeah. You know that they're very obvious, not necessarily set gestures, but, you know, when someone's interested.

[Mick]

You know, in the old days, I don't know if they do, man. I still think people do it. You would stick a hanky, a colored hanky, in your pocket. Like blue meant you wanted a fuck. And I think it was on the left side you were top and on the right side you were bottom. So you would stick a handkerchief really nicely folded. Of course.

[Bill]

Yeah. They had a sheet that. An 8 1/2 by 11 sheet filled with colors. There must have been 40 different colors on there with definitions.

[Robert]

Where would you wear the hanky when you were versatile?

[Jesse]

In the middle.

[Mick]

Between your legs. Oh, that's going to get caught. That's going to get caught.

[Ruby]

Maybe not.

[Jesse]

That's good. That's real.

[Mick]

So did you put it in your left or your right pocket?

[Jesse]

I threw it in the garbage can. Look at me. I'm so vanilla for a black man. I'm so Lily.

[Robert]

Yes, you are.

[Mick]

You said it, I didn't.

[Jesse]

Y' all have stretched me. I see people in the background going dirty. They have educated me in so many things. And I sit, like with my eyes wide open, just excited about Their stories.

[Mick]

Why do you think people are so scared talking about sex?

[Robert]

I think a lot of that comes from one's upbringing. And I grew up in a Southern home. It was a great family, a Leave it to Beaver type family. But sex was one thing you just didn't talk about. And I think that was because my parents were. Were Southern Baptists. And it wasn't really until I went to college and freed myself of the environment I grew up in that my attitudes and education about sex really started happening.

[Mick]

But I honestly think that it's more societal because if you go to Europe, attitudes about sex are so different.

[Bill]

Well, for me, I grew up in Southern California, and I remember the first time that I was aware of something. There was going to be a meeting of all the girls in the school in the gym, and none of the guys were allowed. They didn't talk about it at all. They wouldn't say what the girls were learning and everything. And it sort of turned it into a taboo kind of thing. Now, my parents sat down with my brother and I and talked to us about sex. And of course, my brother and I had already heard all of this kind of stuff, but there was. There was just this sort of enigma that. Keep it down. Don't, you know, you don't talk about it.

[Mick]

Yeah, and I think people should talk about it more because I think you hear a lot of misconceptions about sex, you know, and that's what gets. Yeah, that's what gets us into trouble, because we think we, you know, we. We say these pious things about monogamy and as Gore Vidal put it, and then we want a little extra on the side, and that. That pursuit of a little extra on the side in secrecy gets people into trouble.

[Bill]

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[Robert]

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[Jesse]

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[Mick]

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[Robert]

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[Bill]

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[Mick]

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[Jesse]

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[Bill]

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[Robert]

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[Mick]

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[Jesse]

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[Mick]

Who's the most romantic of the group?

[Bill]

I would say. Just say.

[Robert]

I would agree.

[Mick]

Yeah. Who's the biggest flirt? Just saying.

[Robert]

Just say.

[Mick]

Who is the most suave? I would say Bill. Bill is suave. He dressed very suave.

[Robert]

Yeah, he dresses the part.

[Jesse]

Looks are deceiving.

[Mick]

Okay, so what's your type, Jesse? What's your dream man?

[Jesse]

My dream man? He's got dark hair or he's got gray hair and he's got a wonderful warm character that is giving and receive because I like to both give and receive to a person. And we're best friends and we can talk about anything. When we get upset with each other, we talk about it. But I've been single so long, I don't know how to do it now, but I'll try.

[Robert]

What's your type, Bill?

[Bill]

Well, both of my long term relationships, they were brunettes, they had hairy chest, they were very, very attractive. But I have this ideal man in my head and I've never met him or never been to bed with him, but he's about 6 foot 1, he's blonde with a blonde hairy chest. And that is one of my fantasies.

[Mick]

You mean Lassie? He.

[Jesse]

She was sweet.

[Bill]

She was a bitch too.

[Mick]

Bob, what's your favorite?

[Robert]

Well, being that I'm a hairy guy and opposite subtract. I Like smoother guys. And I have to admit I like them young, not too young, but, you know, younger. And the energy that youth brings, it doesn't matter if they're blond or are dark haired or blue eyed or brown eyed or what.

[Mick]

Okay, well, I got very creative here and I wrote up a little something that I could always place in the frontiers or online. So here goes. And I hope that dream is listening. What is my type? Silent or gregarious? My dream man stands 6 foot 4 of 235 pounds of pumped ripped and vascular Dom. Top muscle. His big hands are gentle and versed in the ways to make me quiver. A sensational kisser. It is all or nothing with him.

[Robert]

So you like passion?

[Jesse]

Don't we all?

[Mick]

Well, that's kind of a byproduct. What's real? What I'm saying is this guy exists somewhere and I like him big. I like him bigger than me. I like the way they smother me and nail me to the floor. So if he's out there and you're interested in this 68 year old man who's trying to make his way and still, you know, working out and doesn't want too much resistance, I'm here.

[Robert]

You seem to like the kinkier side of the sexual world. What do you think are the biggest misconceptions about kink and fetish?

[Mick]

Well, I wrote down here kink means bent to bent. Bent is a British expression for kink and it means unconventional or taboo sex, mostly dealing with bondage and sadomasochism. The biggest misconceptions I think people have about kink is people's aversion to pain. They have never experienced a true endorphin rush. Talk to any athlete who has pushed themselves beyond the edge and they will tell you there is an endorphin rush that is like no other. It is tantamount to sex. And I think people are afraid of that because they think it's long lasting. It isn't. It lasts only as long as what it takes for you to heal. But for the most part it is designed to not hurt people. And I think that is the misconception now as far as pain is concerned to me, because I've experienced that rush many times and I guess you could say I'm a pain pig because I'm looking for that endorphin rush. It has prepared me for the chronic pain that I now experience for the rest of my life. I know how to cope with chronic pain and I think my tolerance for pain is much higher as a result. But there are ways that you get through it. Now I'm talking basically as the bottom. Now they're submissive for the top. The top's purpose is once that person is giving you trust, they are depending on you to take them to that endorphin rush without hurting them. Okay? And that's the mark of a true dump top. Somebody who knows what they are doing. And I can only say that I've been very lucky to have had that experience. I can also say I've moved on from it because I'm a 68 year old man now with a chronic disease that has destroyed my nerves. And so I live with chronic pain every day. But I have to say I have met some wonderful men, some really incredible daddies who have taught me how to trust, how to give yourself to really another person in a wholly complete way.

[Bill]

And.

[Mick]

And that person takes you on a journey. That is what kink is about. Okay, you know, if you want to talk about fetish, that's a whole other issue. Okay, but I'm just talking about kink here.

[Jesse]

Thank you. Because you educated me just now because most of us are scared of it.

[Bill]

Well, I have to tell you, I used to equate kink to weird. But after hearing your stories, which were wild stories and that, but you also educated me about the world of S and M and what it was and the feelings and everything. So I have to thank you, Mick, because I have a greater understanding and I don't consider kink weird anymore.

[Mick]

Oh, I consider kink weird because I don't have a problem with weird. I've been called weird for years. I think my whole life I was called weird as a child. So, you know, when somebody tells me that I'm weird, I say, okay, great, let's move on. You haven't told me anything new. Okay.

[Jesse]

And we all are in some way.

[Robert]

What about dating apps? Do you guys use dating apps?

[Mick]

Last night, for a little bit of research, I went back online with this one dating app and see, I had dropped out of it and so I reestablished the profile and I hadn't even put pictures in yet, just a cover picture. So I got this response from this guy who said, wanna fuck? And so I responded with, yeah. And I said, text me. And I gave him out my number because I had thought, you know, I remember this guy. And sure enough, the same response came back. You seem a little too wild for me. I gave him my phone number. Yeah, I mean, this is the mark of a guy who Likes to pull hooks out of fish.

[Jesse]

Oh, yeah.

[Mick]

So you gotta be aware of that. And that's a lot of what you see online.

[Jesse]

I don't like that either. And I get tired of people saying, what are you into? And my last sentence to them is, well, evidently you didn't read my profile.

[Mick]

But I think in a way, what you're into is. Is. That's kind of like a pickle. I mean, it's kind of weak.

[Jesse]

But say hello to me first. I'm a greeter. I'm a proper man.

[Robert]

I have to admit that once the dating apps came along, that was my mo.

[Mick]

I seem to recall you being on BBRT every day.

[Robert]

Well, not every day.

[Mick]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Robert]

Every other day.

[Mick]

Every other day.

[Jesse]

I used to love cruising. I was so sure and happy then. And then all of a sudden, it went to the Internet. I like the instant gratification.

[Bill]

The thing that I liked the most was going to bars because you could find out what they were into. They were there. It was instant sex. You could go right out the door for the price of a drink.

[Mick]

I think dating apps are good if you are doing the traveling.

[Jesse]

Yes. And that's all I do.

[Mick]

Because then you could set up your dates, you know, depending on what city you're going to be in or what place you're going to be in, or like, you know, if you're on a cruise ship, you just go on your app. Right, Jesse?

[Jesse]

Right.

[Mick]

And you just. Just go ahead because, you know, it's a finite population, but they're there, and they're just as desperate as you are to get off. All right, gents, we're reaching the end of today's episode because this show is called Silver Linings. Thinking back on our conversation, what is your silver lining takeaway about? Sex, love, and romance.

[Robert]

The silver lining about sex is that sex is a very important part of your being throughout your life, no matter how old you are. And I also believe it's an important component of health. And that I know for myself, I have my own philosophy that an orgasm a day is good for you.

[Jesse]

It's not over until the fat lady sings for me.

[Bill]

And I would have to say I had two wonderful partners, one for five years and one for 16 years. And the silver lining of that was the joy of. Of being with him, traveling with him, and just having a great time.

[Mick]

I mean, for me, it comes down to trust, submission, having a twisted mind, and at a minimum, 8 inches.

[Jesse]

That's all for today on Silver Linings with the old gays. Tune in in two weeks to hear our coming out stories and why it's still important to celebrate. Silver Linings is a production of iHeart's Ruby Studio and the Outspoken Network. We're your hosts Bill Lyon, Jesse Martin.

[Robert]

Rick Peterson and Robert Reeves.

[Jesse]

Our Executive producer is Sierra Kaiser. The episode was written by Ryan Amador with post production by Eric Zeiler. Our theme music was composed by Max Herschenau with audio, direction and design by Matt Stillo. And if you're having fun with us, please subscribe to follow along. And don't forget to rate and review the show wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for listening. See you in two weeks. I came out at the right time. I had to do it on my own.

[Robert]

I do not recall pretending I was straight. It was impossible.

[Mick]

My response was what? And give up parades?

[Sierra]

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[Ruby]

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[Sierra]

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[Mick]

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