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Scripture tells us that the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. One of the most insidious is the buying and selling of children. This week we talk about Innocence Shattered on Skywatch tv. Welcome to Skywatch tv. I'm Derek Gilbert sitting in for Joe Artis Horn. He is here with us again this week, but again I have the honor of sitting in this chair as we continue discussing his new work. And once again this week, I encourage you to have something close by to wipe your eyes because I strongly suspect we're going to get into some really emotional stuff again this week as we talk about Joe Horn's new book, Innocence Dismantling the Insidious War Against Our Children, it is our honor to welcome back as guest this week Joe Artis Horne.
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Thank you, Derek. Thank you,
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Joe. Let's kind of recap last week. And by the way, if you didn't see last week's program, I encourage you to go to your app store of choice and download either our free mobile app to your smartphone or tablet or add it to your smart TV where you get it right on the big screen. Skywatch TVs got free apps for Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Apple TV, all the TVs. It's all part of our, you know, global empire of it. I'm kidding, of course, but we just want to make it easy for you to get the information, especially as we discuss things like this because this tends to make some of the free platforms where you may be consuming nervous. So that's a way to make sure we never get canceled. Joe, last week a quick recap for people who may have missed the program.
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If you missed last week we barely scraped the surface, but we did what we could with 30 minutes of network time to basically illuminate Satan's all out assault on an entire generation of children. We talked briefly about how corporations that are organizing very specifically campaigns propagandizing things in their cartoons, in social media apps, companion apps that are meant to be friends with your children, to replace the family, construct the nuclear family, the idea of mother, father, instead it's they them and of course put on steroids Many of the malevolent actors that want the complete deterioration of the human mind, they want children confused and surrounded by chaos so that then they can step in and provide all of the solutions, right? And the life leading does this make sense a replacement for the need for God or a messiah or a creator? You can be all that you want to be. You can explore all of your feelings and find God within you. Are God. We are God. This is coming in from so many angles and so many directions from the stuff that our kids are consuming. Many of them being raised by screens from the schools themselves, with programs pushing under the guise of sex ed, healthy sexual exploration. All of this while much of the church is completely unaware, much of it completely asleep and totally unattentive to this giant Luciferian assault that is happening in our very neighborhoods all around us.
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Society is normalizing abuse. So when it happens, the child just thinks, well, this is how the world is.
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That's exactly right.
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And I said this to you between programs. What angers me so much is the human tendency to be overwhelmed when we hear these big hundred thousand or more children in the system being abused. It's a huge number. We can't. We just can't relate to it.
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Right.
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But if our neighbor were doing it, if we knew the child.
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That's right.
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If we could see one child, if that were happening in front of us, we would be outraged. Absolutely. And the church should be outraged. Why aren't we?
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Sharon, that is such a profound point. I'm so glad you brought that up because that's exactly what I believe. That is exactly what the book Innocent Shattered is attempting to try to do. It's to try to wake up the body. I said it last week, I will say it again this week. The government is not reconciling the number of missing children that exist just in the foster care system alone, which again I said last week, is a side effect of a spiritual problem. I'm not disparaging those good actors in that system that are there to intervene and stand in the gap for children. But most of the brightest information aggregators that we have in Western civilization place it, and this is a conglomerate of, of estimations collapsed into one reveal. But if you put all of them together, and I'm talking about the national center for Missing and Exploited Children, I'm talking about the Polaris Project, Shared Hope International, the people that we depend on to keep us appraised of just the missing children from places like foster care. They have it placed at about 11 to 12. And some people have it 11 to 55 children missing per day just from foster care. That's not even just in the United States. 11 to 55 per day missing with no chain of custody, nobody looking for them, often classified by law enforcement professionals, organizations like the FBI as runaway. And that's a very convenient way to deal with children that are missing without a chain of custody or a narrative.
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Oh, they're just trouble because they're trouble.
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That's right. And they're overburdened. You know, HIPAA laws make looking into medical records or details of their interpersonal lives almost impossible. This is a spider web that is so giant, but it's in our backyards. And what you said, Sharon, is so true. See, I believe that if we can get this message into what I call the entertainment based church. I'm not talking about the Remnant. I'm not talking about probably almost all of the people watching programs like Skywatch Television or our good friends over at Prophecy Watchers or Kyle Milholland's podcast. I'm talking about most of the entertainment entertainment based church that I view as entertaining themselves to death with rock concert riddled fog machine worship encounters. And I'm not disparaging churches that have the means to do something good for themselves in terms of their infrastructure. Those are fine furnishings, but it doesn't curate the answers to giant spiritual darkness that's being illuminated in the book Innocent Shattered. But if the pulpit spent more time, like you said, putting the face of somebody in their very own community up on a screen, you'd probably see outrage. But people generally don't care and can't be bothered. About 4 million here and 300,000 there and 200. It's like monopoly money. I have a staff member that jokes with me all the time that some of the numbers of money that she sees floating around in different enterprises as we've looked at economic things and talked politics, she's like, it's Monopoly money to me. I don't even know how a person would have that much money. And the other thing is, people generally don't want bad news because life is hard enough when they don't feel like there's anything that they can do to improve the situation.
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Right.
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I call this Cindy Lou has Cancer Syndrome. If I can unpack this, I'll explain exactly what I mean, and then I'll articulate one of the dilemmas that we face as a ministry when we're trying to educate people on what's happening with our children. If your name is Cindy Liu, this is not a message from God, or this is completely just a generic name I've pulled out of the air. But I call it Cindy Lou has Cancer Syndrome. Somebody goes to church, her name is Cindy Lou. She reveals that she's got some malevolent form of disease, and everybody around her surrounds immediately and prays and intercedes. What can we do? They start making pastas and breadsticks and they deliver it to the house and they drive the kids to and fro their soccer games and everybody's there. Two months later, Cindy Lou's not doing very good. Cindy Lou's husband posts on Facebook that Cindy Lou is in the hospital. And she gets like eight interactions, prayers. People cannot be expected to emotionally sustain a level 11. And we were not conditioned to have to cope with the kind of trauma that these kids are experiencing every day. The human brain was never meant to have to cope with this kind of evil. So we inherently, as people, just, life is enough. My job is enough. My own problems are enough. I can't think about this. And by the way, I am guilty because years ago I was that guy. And I tell that story in the book Innocent Shattered. This was a process of God showing me that I must do something for the voiceless. So I totally understand that cycle of just. It's too big, it's too grand. It's Monopoly money. This number is beyond me.
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Right.
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The book Innocent Shattered leaves you excuseless. And I said this last week because what it does is it not only articulates the malevolent industries that are coming for your kids that mostly the church is completely unaware of, it articulates the missing voiceless children that have no one to stand in the gap for them. It breaks down the deterioration of the nuclear family and how we got here in the first place. But at the end of the book, Derek, there's an appendix that takes every reader, whether you have resources. I don't care about your age. I don't care. Male, female, black, Hispanic, I don't care. It takes every reader through a series of thought exercises that flushes out what you can do to stand in the gap for these children and begin to cut Lucifer's supply of victims completely off at the head.
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Yeah. Sharon, I love that point that you made. I think that is absolutely correct. Anita. You've got some letters there that I think will help viewers put faces, or at least voices to some of these individuals who your support of Skywatch tv and through Skywatch tv, the support we give to Whispering Ponies Ranch.
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We.
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Which helps them operate at no cost for the ministries that bring children in foster care to Whispering Ponies Ranch. Letters.
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Yes.
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Letters to God.
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These are letters that just. I had time to grab just a handful. This is a small sample of what happens at the ranch. So since these children do not have a voice, I'm going to be a voice for just a moment, written by a little person named Nova. I want to say she's probably around 8 or 9 years old. She was there at the camp with her siblings and she was happy to see them. Dear God, you have worked miracles and I know that you have a plan for me. Even abuse is part of it, and it is so that I might want your help. Now, kids go through hard things, but what they learn when they're at the ranch is that does not define the rest of their life. Let me top it off with this one. This child speaks what I'm trying to convey.
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And these are letters written. These are actual letters from Spring Ponies ranch, which is iWatch television's charitable ministry. Just for those that have never seen the program before and they're unfamiliar, these are letters that they wrote this year following the rehabilitation, the Christ centered program that takes place because of your support. Go ahead.
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They usually write these on the last day just before they're leaving because they want to reflect on what they've learned while they were there. This one is written by a little man named Levi. Thank you for this amazing week at camp. I want God in my life. There you have it.
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It's so simple.
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One week, one week at camp and now he wants God in his life because he saw God through the people that were there ministering to these kids. Zip lines, food, animals and every other aspect. Prayer, the prayer, the prayers. I really, really want to stress that because I love what you said about your book, that there's no excuse. There really is not an excuse. Right. You don't got a penny. You got a prayer. You can pray. And I'm telling you, that's our warfare right there.
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That's right.
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And this ministry needs it.
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Absolutely.
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How do you feel? Follow up. These kids are with you for what, five, six days?
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Five days.
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And then they disappear on the bus and they go back into their regular world. They take Jesus with them because they've learned about Jesus.
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Here's an answer to that. This is written by Pearl. I want to have the best last year, next year.
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Oh.
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So what that tells me is that they love it so much they can't wait to come back. Let me finish the letter and I'm going to tag Joe on this. I hope I have another good cousin. I hope people will be kind. I wish I get a good birthday presents and a good night's angel person again. Oh, I want to have a good school next year. This is a little child who is now hopeful.
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That's right.
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She has seen something wonderful and this is her hopes and dreams. Now, Jo, reason I want to tag you is because this is obviously she realizes this is coming to an end because they age out to a certain level. But you have a little trick, don't you?
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I do. God gave me.
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What do you tell about that?
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Okay, so it's not really a trick, but it is something that God gave me a few years ago. We have no mechanism, Sharon, for keeping in touch with these kids. It would be completely inappropriate. And none of the mechanical infrastructure permits Joe Horn to text little Billy. And it would do it anyway. The point is, our only source of connectivity to these children after they've left is if the organization that brought them still has connection to wherever they're at being held. So they might still be being placed in foster care system. Or maybe they've been moved over to Aunt Bertha's house. Or maybe the mother now is sober and she's regained custody over the child. If our point of contact within an organization like Teen Reach or Royal Family Kids still has connectivity, then there might be a way to get a message through or to get an update on how they're doing. Having said that, because we don't know when we're serving these kids, if we will ever see them again. We've got five days. We've got five days, barring a tornado here in the Midwest, to do something in the life of these kids, to show them Jesus, to affirm them, to try to reverse the damage that they've experienced. And knowing as humans, we can't. So God has to show up. And he does. And what he does is miraculous. And you're seeing this evidenced in these letters because we have no way of guaranteeing that we'll see them again, Sharon. What I do, and I started this, it just slipped out of my mouth one day. Now it's become a staple. And now I'm hearing this into like year two and three. The kids are now saying this back to me. So I'm like, thank you, Lord, for that. Like, God, what do you say to a child that you're never sure one way or another you're gonna get to see again? And it just dawned on me. There is a path to coming back to camp forever. Wouldn't you like to know what it is? Raise your hand if you know where I'm going with. Of the people, I'll say, you know what the secret to coming back forever is what I can come back to whispering. But forever, you have to be a counselor. And so at this very young age, and it works like liquid gold. These kids are like, oh, that is it. That is. I am aimed at. I am Gonna be a counselor. I am coming back because. And of course, it gives you another layer of affirmation. You have the chops, Little Billy. You got the. You articulate. Well, look at. You're a natural born leader. Like, it just. They leave. And obviously some of these kids are going back into circumstances where abuse has not been yet discovered. Obviously, some of these kids are going back into real life. Nightmares. But they go back with this hope that at some point, someday they're going to be a counselor for the Royal Family kids.
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And many of these kids have never had any kind of positive affirmation before this.
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They never have.
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So this is the first time you're hearing. This is when you say something or when you say something, the counselors who are there.
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Yeah.
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Encourage them.
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You climbed that wall.
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That was awesome.
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Celebrate. We got so many nicknames. Noah, the Zip King from this year, Big Steve, Mega Maggie, Counselor Dale, who is not a counselor yet, but will be. I guarantee, if the Lord tarries this boy, if he's alive and he's of age, he's going to be a counselor. He was so lit up by that concept. But I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't take this occasion to warn the church about something that I view as one of the biggest underlying root causes for systems like foster care in the first place. And I know that this is gonna get a little bit grimacing again, and I don't wanna change the atmosphere in the room, but I really feel like God wants me to warn the church about their dark little secret. Derek. And people ask me, joe, what are the underlying root causes? Why do we have an overburdened foster care system with 420,000 kids that are 90% of them statistically guaranteed to be abused in at least two to five ways that are unimaginable to most people. And for those that missed it, yes, right now, actively in the foster care system, there's about 420,000 children. And those are only the discovered cases of abuse. That's not even the vast population of normal homes where nightmares are playing out every single day that we have. No matter. Does that make sense? It's much larger than the foster care system. But if you were to ask me, joe, what is the underlying root cause? Well, first of all, state by state, and you get into piecemealing this giant blue. And I've tried the blueprints and the graphs, and this state does a little better. And this one has new, you know, restrictive. You know, there's less access to abortion and how are we doing on that front? And okay, you put it all together. I can tell you now with certainty, after having been for about a decade now, seriously into child advocacy and looking into the eyes of the children that are busted and wanting to kind of juxtapose how you put this puzzle together and where it began. And it is too generic to say fatherlessness, motherlessness, alcoholism. It's too generic.
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Right.
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If I had to blame one root cause as being probably the most prevailing one. Derek. And this is where this video is going to start getting taken down. This might even be where we have to move it away from certain platforms and put it on places like Rumble, because you are not allowed to say this. I could sooner talk about vaccine recovery than I can say this next part. But it is the porn industry.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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Yes, that's it.
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Now how in the world, you might be wondering, can the porn industry. And I'm gonna have to collapse this for the sake of time, but how in the world can the porn industry be capable of all of that in a very quick collapsing that could take four hours? I know. Cause I did a four hour podcast earlier this week that they're gonna collapse to two and a half hours. Cause they said there are no bumper rails, you don't have to be censored and we can take as long as you want. And I literally went hoarse talking to Kyle Milholland about this. But it normalizes exploitation.
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Yes.
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It edifies evil power dynamics. It literally conditions the human brain. God says, Ephraim's joined his idols. Let him alone. You divorce yourself from the conviction of the Holy Spirit over and over and over again. And you pursue something that is completely unattainable and that is to satiate your flesh. That's right. There is no ceiling. There is no moment where you win. And you find that you've finally achieved total self gratification and satisfaction. And that means it's progressive. It enables dark web and illegal content. Now that must be viewed. You have to step outside of what is legally permissible. As your imagination daydreams darker and darker things because of its progressive nature, you've divorced yourself from God. And you've said, I will do whatever I will in order to please myself. Do you see the Luciferian slippery slope here? And by the way, it reinforces desensitization. No longer are you watching consensual adults lovemaking on video. You're watching stuff that you have no idea. You have no idea where this content comes from. I make the case in the book Innocent shattered. And we're going to have to collapse for the sake of television time. But a lot of what you're seeing on screen is forced abuse dynamics actually playing out and not performative at all. And you get into labor camps, you get into how this is possible. You get into underage. You gotta trust me on this. Now you add AI to the dynamic and what is already developing there, drag and drop, custom tailored. This generation will see temptation like our kids have never ever seen in the past ever again. With where this is all going, there will be efforts, mark my words, to legalize abuse power dynamics involving children under the guise that these are AIs and not real life children. I would argue this is practical for the real thing. And you're conditioning the mind to only be satiated by abuse. I'm going to collapse. Can we depend on the church though to counter this darkness? Not so fast. This is actually a dark little secret that the church doesn't want you to know about. In 2020, Barna research revealed that 57% of our senior pastors and 64% of our youth pastors are either actively addicted to the adult entertainment industry, pornography, or they have been recently or in the past with a bare floor, a bare bones, minimum floor of at least 20 still active. While they admit this, they continue the shame cycle. Less than 1% of them admit even telling their congregation. This is them telegraphing to the world. This is just the ones that will admit this, that this is okay to be their dark little secret. God's working on me. I'm going to overcome this. 12% of youth pastors and 5% of senior pastors admit to currently being addicted. And only 8% of the pastors think that a pastor should even resign if he or she is discovered with this addiction. Now let me tell you something, because we are almost out of time. Do not kid yourselves. You can research all day long, very carefully the one to one correlation between pornography consumption and the demand for paid for. Circumstances with underage people. And that is as sanitized as I can possibly make that for tv. Does that make sense?
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And I will say again, you are fueling an industry.
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So people ask me, Joe, well, what would your message to pastors be? First, I'm not a counselor and I'm not your accountability buddy. God is. So here's what I would tell you. If you're indulging in this stuff online, I want this image to flood your eyes. I want you to see a sea of children locked in dog cages begging you to Stop indulging in the industry that has them captive. The demand that you're fueling through your private activity and I want you to ask God for help, repentance and I want you to find programs available to you so that you can be set free of this darkness. Because many of the people consuming this in and of themselves are victims. Derek, I gotta make this super quick. We're doing something very special right now at the Skywatch TV store. Just a quick reminder that Skywatch TV is a viewer based supported ministry and your partnership helps us to not only stay on the air, but also to continue sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the entire world, including places that can't monetarily support this ministry. When you order the new book Innocence Shattered, we're going to send it to you as our love gift for your donation of only $25 or more, which includes, by the way, free shipping to all US Addresses. But right now we're doing something very special and for a very limited time. You have an opportunity to upgrade your gift to include the entire award winning Rescue, a six part documentary series on DVD for your donation of only $55 or more, which again will include free shipping to all US Addresses. So that is the Innocent Shattered book and the six part Rescue US television series on DVD for your donation of $55 or more. Now I want to bring to your attention very quickly that the new book Innocent Shattered along with the Rescue holds a retail value of $120 all by itself. But it's yours right now for your donation of only $55 or more. You can scan the QR code on your screen using the camera app on your phone for instant access to the special opportunity. You can also Visit us at skywatchtvstore.com or call 1-844-750-4985 and ask for the Innocence Shattered book and or the Innocent Shattered Book with Rescue US Docuseries. Right now.
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I have to jump in. I want to pose a question to the Christians that are watching this program. Which altar are you bowing down to at the end of the day? I didn't just read Joe's book, I pored over it and one of the most convicting parts in it said, which altar are you bowing down to? It posed that question and it reminded the reader there is coming a day. If you believe in the Bible, then you must believe that there is coming a day where the sheep will be separated from the goats. And in that day you will be judged by the things you did and didn't. Do. Did you participate in the porn industry? Did you fund this industry that is causing this damage to continue to perpetuate? Did you or did you not stand in defense of these innocent children? Please do not let this be another one of those programs that you click past. The audiobook is excellent. It's very convicting. Don't be one of the people that clicks past this episode. Joe, last week you talked about your own personal spiritual awakening in this area. Here's the thing. I'm your sister biologically. That's the truth. And I remember this moment in time when you wrote a note. When you were going through this, you wrote a note and you pinned it to the wall in our work area and it said, let my life outlive me, Lord. It was a prayer that you wrote down and you pinned it to all. And with this book, you have accomplished that.
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As our Lord said, then he will answer them saying, truly, I say to you as you did not do it to one of the least of these, to one you did not do it to me. As Joe said, you are out of excuses. The book is innocent, shattered. Joe, thank you for writing this. What is your prayer that this book accomplishes?
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My prayer is that we would mobilize the army of God. At one time in my life, I'm playing guitar. I'm training dogs. And what Sharon led this program with was the change for me. It stopped being about big, large statistic that somebody else was dealing with, and it became a face. I looked into the eyes of kids at Camp D. God planted the seed, and I began to see for myself into the eyes of those abused and what God can do when he gets ahold of them. The miracle process of watching that play out changed my heart. And it will change yours as well. You can go from a place where confronting the terrible is offset by the reward of watching what God can do not only in their lives, but in yours.
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Innocent Shattered, the new book by Joe Artis Horne. Get it. Get it for your church, your Bible study, your small group. Educate yourself and mobilize for Joe Artist Horn. All of us on panel, all of us here in studio. I'm Derek Gilbert. This is Skywatch tv.
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Sam.
Episode: The Church's Dark Secret Revealed
Date: November 9, 2025
Host: Derek Gilbert (sitting in for Joe Artis Horn)
Featured Guest: Joe Artis Horn
Panelists/Contributors: Sharon, Anita, others
In this emotionally charged episode of SkyWatchTV, Derek Gilbert hosts a panel discussion centered around Joe Artis Horn’s new book, Innocence Shattered: Dismantling the Insidious War Against Our Children. The conversation explores the harrowing realities of child exploitation, the normalization of abuse in society, the role of the church, and the deep-rooted spiritual and structural causes perpetuating these crises. The episode emphasizes the urgent need for awareness, action, and spiritual intervention—challenging both church leaders and lay Christians to confront "the church’s dark secret" and stand up for the world’s vulnerable children.
"If our neighbor were doing it, if we knew the child ...we would be outraged. Absolutely. And the church should be outraged. Why aren't we?"
— Sharon (03:32)
"The human brain was never meant to have to cope with this kind of evil..."
— Joe Artis Horn (07:10)
"Dear God, you have worked miracles and I know that you have a plan for me. Even abuse is part of it, and it is so that I might want your help."
— Letter from Nova, age 8 or 9 (10:10)
"Thank you for this amazing week at camp. I want God in my life."
— Letter from Levi (11:06)
"If I had to blame one root cause as being probably the most prevailing one... it is the porn industry."
— Joe Artis Horn (18:09)
"Not so fast. This is actually a dark little secret that the church doesn't want you to know about."
— Joe Artis Horn (20:39)
"Which altar are you bowing down to at the end of the day?"
— Panelist (24:49)