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What is the mystery of the Avatar? And who were the divine rulers once worshiped as gods across the ancient world? Is there a hidden secret behind Donald Trump's presidency? And did scripture actually foretell the very year that he would rise to lead the nation? As these age old mysteries unfold, where does America now stand? And what should Christians be anticipating next? Today, New York Times best selling author Jonathan Cahn unveils his most urgent and astonishing revelations yet. But first, watch this. Is there more to the world than meets our eyes? Could the most powerful figures of our age be fulfilling the roles of an ancient blueprint? Is it possible that behind the events of our time is an ancient mystery transforming our lives? Could the realm of ancient mythology be colliding into our present reality? Are there actually avatars in the world today? Even in the realm of government leaders, impacting nations, even America and holding an an. Have they even altered elections? Number one, New York Times best selling author Jonathan Cahn, author of 10 bestsellers including the Harbinger, the Return of the Gods and the Dragon's Prophecy, now releases what may be his most explosive book yet. The Avatar, the Return of the Ancients and the Future of America. The book you can't afford not to read. Hello everybody and welcome back to Skywatch Television. I'm Joe Ortis. Today we conclude what has been nothing short of absolutely mind boggling with our very special guest, Mr. Jonathan Cahn. I said last week, Jonathan, for those that have missed the series up to this point, you've got to go back to the archives. Wherever you watch Skywatch Television, download our mobile app at the App Store. It's the one place they haven't tried to cancel us yet. You've got to get caught up on the series we've been doing about your brand new book the Avatar. And I'm going to bring this up on the scre the return of the Ancients and the future of America. Ladies and gentlemen, how much have you been absolutely astonished at the revelations that have been coming out of this series?
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Yeah,
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we're like hanging onto the news desk, Jonathan, trying to keep up with you. Let's hit the ground running. Do for me a favor and just recap the audience that maybe missed programs one and two. Give us a little taste of what's in the Avatar, where we left off and where we're going next.
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Yeah. For those who didn't see it and there's so much and even what we do here, we can just touch on it. But there's so much. But this is. The Avatar is Pulling away the veil between things we're seeing in the news, we're seeing in our world, but maybe not realizing behind it is a whole other world. It's a whole other world of spiritual forces, of mysteries, of templates that are happening behind everyone from Clinton to Obama to Trump to Biden. Also the forces and the gods and where we are prophetically, where we just were. The mystery of Jehu and the mystery of Trump. What's happening right now? Where are we going prophetically? So now we're going to go into another realm of gods and avatars. You were talking about the gods and the kings, you know, but we're going into the avatars and we're going to mention particularly one which is again, going to get explosive.
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You used the word turn, and that's one that's come up a lot in media recently because of the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk. What you just said, the nation feels like something in the atmosphere has shifted.
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Yeah, the whole world. The whole world is just amazing.
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Yeah, Left versus right. This is different.
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Yeah. I mean, starting with the election of Trump, you know, there's been a turning and a rolling back of all these things and now this and the forces that have been rolled back. Think about the spirits and gods. They're not content. They don't want to go down easy. That was like a strike back, you know, what we just had. We're in a real spiritual war.
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It's a spiritual war. And a lot of people are saying, well, this is not the end of this. This is just the beginning.
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God has a prayer.
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This is why the word of God is so important in the days that we're living right now, people, Christians, you have to discern what. What is coming down the pike. Jonathan, who were the God, kings, goddess, queen and avatars of the pagan world? And for those that are watching this way, he just shipped from this massive turn in the nation. Now he's suddenly asking Jonathan about the book, the Avatar. You're only asking that question because you didn't catch programs one and two. We're following a template here, a spiritual pattern.
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It's all part of it. And in fact, we said the first one, the Avatar came out in the week leading up to the assassination of Charlie Kerr and the mysteries. This is all in line with it. What happened is all part of this. The thing is that in the ancient world, you didn't just have gods, you had in the belief of those who worship them, you had avatars. What's an avatar? The movie, the computer games. An avatar is from the eastern word from India, and it means one who embodies a God or one who's like a living image of the God. Because we talked about when you drive God out, the gods or the spirits come back in. Well, could we be at a time of avatars where people can actually be embodying? You know, now it's interesting because we've talked about how the leaders in America are embodying ancient kings. In some ways, you know, our queens are doing that. I talked about Cuba when I was asked to go there. And there are all these gods, you know, communists. But no, it's filled with gods. Santeria, they worship these pagan gods. Well, interesting, because one of the gods is called Chango. Now, the thing is that Castro, even though he's communist, as he's leading this nation, he actually became the embodiment as an avatar of this God. Chango was God who actually smoked cigars. Number one. Number one. He was a fighter, like a military. He overthrew the king before took over, became a tyrant, ruler of the land, actually cast down fire on his enemies. You know that Castro was seeking to have the Soviet Union cast down nuclear fire upon America. There's so much. But so in a sense, the day that he was interred, he died and he was buried. That was a national day across the island. But it fell on the day of Chango, the God that he represented. So there's so much it goes with a mystery, because the Bible says behind the gods are spirits. What do spirits seek? To do possess. To rule, to dominate? To possess. Well, if you can rule the ruler, you rule the kingdom. If you rule the king, you rule the kingdom. So could we be approaching a point where we actually are. We're on the verge of this in America. The answer is yes, and that is what the avatar is going to open up.
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Oh, my goodness. So let's get into the Avatar, the mystery of the Avatar. When somebody hears that or they read this title, what does that mean?
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Yeah, there are many aspects to people embodying as we're seeing forces again. Even we talked about assassination. The people who were who are bringing these shootings, people who are possessed, in a sense, become avatars of the spirits. And by the way, in all these cultures, when I told you about India and Cuba and everywhere I went, they all believe that the gods possess people and they people become like the living gods. So the word avatar comes from the India east. And in India, in the east, the belief is there's one particular house, one particular line that particularly produces avatars. People are born of it who become avatars of the gods. That's the house of Brahman, the house of Brahmin. These are the high caste priests of the pagan gods. From the house of Brahmin was born the person we know as Kamala Harris, born of the house of Brahman. The Hindu family name is Gopalin, which is named after an avatar. So she's born of the house of the avatars. We already talked about before the template, the flesh and blood template, when we talked about the ancient template in the Bible. But it's going to go deeper because remember, these kings and queens in that template, like Ahab and Jezebel, they were also. They became like agents of the gods. You know, even Jezebel kind of resembles Ishtar, which is a warrior God. So now we go deeper. Okay, the avatar, not that she knows what she's doing, in effect, as an avatar, in that an image of this particular goddess, the avatar, has to be linked to a God. Well, she's given the name Kamala. We're saying all the name Kamala. Kamala is the name of an ancient goddess. And if you missed that, her middle name is Devi, which means the goddess. Oh, so as Kamala, Devi means Kamala. The goddess already is a goddess with Kamala. In Hindu scriptures, they speak about Kamala. Devi Kamala, the goddess. She's also called Lakshmi, by the way. But the other thing is that her whole life is gonna follow the mystery of this goddess. And I'll just give some taste. We can't go through all of it. We'll give a taste. For instance, this goddess Kamala, her birth and her rising is connected to the ocean or the sea. Kamala's birth, she's born on the San Francisco bay, connected to the sea. Her rising in San Francisco connected to the sea. The ocean. But then the goddess Kamala becomes the number two ruler of the pantheon. Number two ruler. So Kamala Harris becomes the number two ruler in America. And you know how the one who she was the number two of was Biden. In the Hindu pantheon, the one is Vishnu. Vishnu is the number one. Okay, who rules now? You know how Biden was called sleepy Joe? Sleepy Joe?
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Yes.
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Vishnu is the sleepy God. Literally, it's called the sleep of Vishnu. He's the sleeping God. Another thing about this is that, you know, the thing that's strange about Kamala is that she's laughing all the time, you know, at the wrong time, she calls her laughing Kamala. Laughing Kamala. Well, the middle name Devi is in Hindu writings They write about Devi is the laughing goddess who laughs at the wrong time. When she's destroying people, she laughs. Okay, so even that. But let me go further the mystery of something called sharad purnima. Now, there is a day on the hindu calendar which is devoted to the goddess Kamala. And so they worship her. They have the idols, this whole celebration in India, they were celebrating sharad purnima, worshipping the goddess kamala. While they're doing that, that day Kamala Harris is born. She's born on the day when India is celebrating kamala, the goddess, that day. That's called sharad purnima. It also has another. It has a name called pujara pura, which speaks of the night. What they do is they celebrate not just the goddess, but they celebrate her entering into the world. They open up their houses to receive her. As they're celebrating that it's the day that kamala Harris has entered the world. As they're celebrating the entrance, there's a day they celebrate the birth of the goddess kamala. They celebrate how she was born linked to the ocean. As they're celebrating that it's the day kamala Harris is born. So Kamala is born on the birthday, the birth of the goddess Kamala. Oh, my goodness. Here's the thing. America was dedicated to God to serve God, to be ruled and governed by God, led by God, glory under God. And had she won, we'd be led by one called the goddess. So here we go from a nation under God to a nation under the goddess. And it's not as a sign, okay? Not that she knows it as a sign, but on top of it, the fact that the agenda that she had was all the agenda of the gods, whether it's gender, whether it's life. But that's what we would have had. And the thing is, here's another thing here. The kings of the ancient world were considered avatars of the gods. The pharaoh of Egypt, avatar of the gods of Egypt, the kings of Babylon, same thing. And that's why when you look at an image of the pharaoh, they have all these strange accoutrements. They're all linked to. Those are the signs of the God that they represented. Okay? So they merged the avatar, the person, with the God in the image. Okay? That's in stone. But in America, just before kamala Harris came to power in the white house as a vice president, an image appears, but the image appears not on stone. It appears on the Internet. And the image is actually put up by her own family. What is It. It's an image of her face, Kamala, merged with a Hindu goddess where the avatar becomes one. She has a Hindu with many arms, and she's waging war against Trump as this. And it's interesting, too, because in this image, it's actually prophetic because she's waging war against Trump and they put him as a creature or something, and she's riding on a lion with a head of Biden, like Biden supporting her. But that wasn't 2020. That was 2024. So. But this came out in 2020. It was, like, prophetic. Like, are the dark forces, they have their own plan, they have their own thing. But so it literally is an image of the Avatar. So that's where we were. So, I mean, and it makes sense because what we were just talking about in this whole thing is that we were at a point where it was like these forces were taking over our culture totally. And so that election had gone the other way, this would be a whole different story right now. And the thing is, so it makes sense, I mean, in the spiritual realm, that the person would actually be called the goddess. Actually, we almost were there because, remember, if you rule the king, you rule the kingdom, so we could have it. Now we're talking about the highest points of power. That's how much it is. I mean, it's amazing.
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I think it's very clear that this nation, that this world would look very different if the last election had gone differently. And, of course, that opens up the imagination to speculate what that might look like. Some believe if Kamala had been installed as president or even elected, et cetera, that you'd have seen this massive, unprecedented, absolute civil unrest from the right. They'd be challenging election results. It would be incomprehensible to accept that it happened legitimately in some people's view. On the other hand, we already know that a lot of times when outcomes don't favor what the left wants, there can be burning in the streets and assassinations and assassinations. So we don't have time to unpack what the world would really look like were she to have been installed. But we can absolutely look at perhaps Donald Trump, at the very least, as possibly a reprieve for God's own reasoning at what the world would have looked like. I don't know if you agree with that, but we have so much stuff in this book that we cannot unpack today. And, Jonathan, that's why You've amassed an 8 DVD companion set called the Avatar Uncensored Album, right?
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Yeah, this is exclusive. Again, you cannot go to Amazon and get it. You cannot go to a bookstore. It's here at Skywatch. This has the uncensored material, if you can imagine that there's uncensored material because this is explosive. But there's even more, which I can only put here. It's the only place it exists. And it's eight one hour dvd. You're not just gonna read it. You're gonna see these things, you're gonna see these gods, you're gonna see these events, you're gonna see prophetically. And it has mysteries that are nowhere else. Like what are the most important things we need to know now as end time believers to overcome. And so much more that I only put here. So it's real exclusive, real special. You can show it to a church Bible study, to unsaved people and they'll watch it 81 hour DS where I'm opening it all up. So it's very special and very exclusive. Thank you. Yes, thank you.
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Yeah, this is, we're going deeper from Jehu now. When he was announced as king, they sounded the trumpets. Now, here's the thing we spoke about the mystery of when Kamala Harris was born. It was when they were celebrating this goddess. Well, what about Donald Trump's birth? Could there be a mystery there? Well, Donald Trump was born not on a pagan holiday. He was born on a day that ushers in a biblical holy day, which is the Sabbath. And every Sabbath, there's a scripture that's appointed from ages past to be read specifically on that day. So that means we've got a scripture for Donald Trump's birth. What was it? God. Listen, calls forth to bring forth a vessel to bring forth a Trump for God. So literally, it's about the producing of the Trump when Trump is produced. Oh. And so all over the world, you know, all the world, people are reading about the Trump of being produced and he's produced. And Donald Trump is a trumpet in this sense. He's used as a vessel. Doesn't have to know it. You know, the trumpet doesn't have to know what it's doing. It just has to be used. And the trumpet is loud and jarring and it disrupts everything. So you can't ignore it. You know, that's Trump. And the thing is it's a vessel. Now, the thing is that interesting, too. This even tells us the timing of when he would be lifted up. See, there's one time in the Hebrew year where the trumpet is lifted up and sounded throughout the whole land, and that is jubilee, the year of jubilee. It's the 50th year since the last restoration year of Israel. When was the last restoration year of Israel? Before this happened? Before trump, it was 1967. When Jerusalem. God restores Jerusalem to Israel. Okay, count 50 years to the Jubilee. It's 2017. That's why the Trump is lifted up, has to be lifted up in the year jubilee and he begins sounding throughout the land. And actually, when he sounded in the year of jubilee, that's when he sounded the Jerusalem Declaration. In the jubilee, when the trumpet sounds, you get back, you get the legal right to your land, and that gave the legal right to Jerusalem. So it's amazing. And he, again, is not studying these things. I started out the first program. You got to go back to see it. We spoke about when I was in India and I sounded the trumpet and then I was in Cuba, we saw the goddess was struck down by the image of a trumpet. And by the way, I saw this throughout the entire. You know, that's when God said again to Israel, when you're in war, sound the trumpet and you'll defeat your enemy. The enemy will flee. And they are using this again in exorcisms that spirits flee. Spirits are linked to God. So think about this now. What is Trump? What has happened since Trump has come back? What he's been doing is he's been sounding and it's been rolling back the agenda of the gods, the agenda of child sacrifice, abortion, Moloch, the agenda of Ishtar, gender confusion. Okay, now think about. Pull back the veil. Think about that last election. It's a man called trumpet and a woman called goddess. When the trumpet sounds, the spirits or the gods flee. And the trumpet sounded and the gods fled. That is so good. So that's where we are right now. The mystery of Trump.
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Hallelujah.
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Wow.
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When you talk about what the world would look like if things had gone differently last year, one of the events, the assassination attempt of Donald Trump that nicked his ear. I mean, it was. We were this close to a completely different reality. In the Avatar, you revealed that behind that event, there was an ancient mystery that went back to the priests of Israel. Tie that together.
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Yeah. And let me just say this. You know, I've never seen any campaign where there was so much against one man. I mean, it was the entire culture, the entire media. It was like 90 cases to throw him in jail, and then two assassination attempts. This is spiritual behind that. It's the spiritual breaking into the physical real, just like we saw with Charlie Kirk. It's the same spiritual thing. And by the way, I mentioned this on the first program, there was actually someone who paid witches to pronounce a curse against Charlie Kirk that came out on the Internet two days before the assassination. And the thing is, there were also witches placing curses on Donald Trump and there were assassinations. And God has his purposes. God's going to have his way with this. But here's the thing. So in ancient times, when someone was being cursed, chosen or marked to serve God's purposes, anointed or consecrated or marked, the most famous one, the most detailed one we have, is the anointing of the priests in order to serve God's purposes. The candidate, something they call it the candidate for the priesthood, for the office of priesthood. So Donald Trump was a candidate for office of presidency. It involves blood. And the blood has to touch the ear for the man to be anointed. The blood has to touch the earth. According to the mystery, the blood has to touch the right ear. Touches. That's why it touched the right ear, has to touch the tip of the right ear. So it did. The next thing that has to happen, it has to touch the hand of the man to be marked. First thing that happens is Trump raises, touches the blood with his hand. It's got to be the right hand. Yeah, got to be the right thumb. First thing that goes up is the right thumb. The last part of the anointing or the marking is that it has to go to the feet. But for order for that to happen, the man who's being anointed has to have his shoes removed. Oh, he gets pushed down onto where the blood was and his shoes are removed. In order to be anointed, the moment that happened, not only was the miracle of God by a fraction of a second, but he was going to become president. And there's so much to this. It was a seven day ritual. And so from the moment that blood touches the right ear, there are seven days. And on the seventh day, the man receives the vestments of the office to then later serve as that. So what happens if you count from that the blood touching seven biblical days? Well, the biblical day begins at sundown. So first is Saturday 1, then sundown to sundown 2. Count the sundowns. The seventh day, when is it? It begins Thursday night. Trump is standing before the world and the vestment of the nomination to become president is put upon him with a mark on his ear. And so he was to. It was the will of God. It was the anointing. That means there's a priestly mystery to this. And there's more to this. I won't go into it. But the priest had to receive it in front of the doorway. If you actually look at that speech when he's receiving it, there's a doorway behind it that actually mimics the temple. It's from the White House, but it mimics the temple. Oh, my God. This is just a little part. There's so much to this, friends.
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You just can't squeeze it all into one book or one episode of Skywatch Television. We're doing the best we can, but you know, Jonathan, with just a couple of minutes left, I mean, I don't even have time to unpack my thoughts based on what you just said. I'm looking at the clock. I'm like, we're almost out of time to close this series out. Where does America now stand in your appraisal? And what is the warning and the hope?
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Yeah, yeah. And this. And there's a mystery linked to this which we won't be able to get into, called the Mystery of the Black Obelisk, but we won't get into it. But here's the thing. Everything we just said, and that's where the Avatar leads. All my books lead to hope. I mean, no matter what, for those who will follow. The thing is that what Jehu was about, what this is about, the turning back, was a window. God gave Israel a window. If it wasn't for that window, it would have been gone then. Judgment, apostasy. But what God does is he gives a window to Israel. It's not about the window. If we change the government, but we don't change people's hearts, the unchanged hearts are going to change the government back. And if we drive out the agenda of the gods, but it's not for by the presence of God. That's right. Then the gods will come back.
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That's right.
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The thing is, we've got a window here. The only thing that can save America is revival.
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That's right.
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Turning back to God. And that's what we've got to pray for. God to have his full way with Donald Trump. Because it's a mystery. He didn't plan. Donald Trump didn't plan this. God's been joined with Trump, but also with us. He said, if my people are called by my name, will humble themselves, pray, seek my face, turn from their evil ways, I'll hear from heaven. Forgive their sin, and I will heal their land. I've seen God do that three times in my lifetime through that scripture. It can happen again. We don't know if there was revival in the days of Jehovah. We don't know there was supposed to be, but there could be revival. Now. It says if. And my people, we are the people. And the thing is, so not only we got to pray for revival as never before, we got to work for revival, preach for the revival. The truth. Be bold. Listen, we're not bold now. We're never going to be bold. Be bold now. Don't hold back and not just talk about revival and pray. Let's actually choose to live in revival. Because if we start living in revival, then revival comes now. If there's something in our life shouldn't be, get it out now. Something that should be, get it in now. Let us choose to live in revival. Then we can have revival in America. If we have revival in America, it will touch the world. So this is the most exciting time, but it's if my people. That's what it's all about.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Amen.
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Yes. Yes.
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I've been doing a lot of interviews for my forthcoming book, Innocent Shattered, which will be out later this November. One of the things I keep saying chronically is pray, but do I think a lot of Christians are tired or they're lazy or they're being entertained to death, and so they'll pray for their neighbor. Oh, Lord, help that person, or they'll pray for somebody. And I'm telling people, pray, but do. Father, how can I bless my neighbor? How can I stand in the gap? They can't make their rent. Lord, could I donate something that helps them buy baby food? Pray but do.
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Does that make sense? Pray and do. You know, faith and works, it goes together. We can't do one or the other. We got to do both. We need both. And this is the moment. This could be the most exciting moment. We are, you know, people pray. I wish I could live in Bible times. Congratulations.
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There it is. I hate that we're out of time, but how many of you have enjoyed the last couple of weeks with Jonathan Cahn? Yes, I could not have collapsed that series better myself. Jonathan, thank you so much for your powerful words, your insights, always, always. Your extraction of biblical truth and how it applies relevantly today in the very moment that we're living in. Unfortunately, we're all out of time, so we'll have to do this again someday. Jonathan, for everybody here in studio. Everybody up here on panel. Jonathan, thank you so much for being here today. I'm Joe Artishorn. Keep your eyes on the prize, which is Jesus Christ. We'll be back.
Date: October 26, 2025
Host: Joe Ardis Horn
Guest: Jonathan Cahn (NYT bestselling author: The Harbinger, Return of the Gods, Dragon’s Prophecy)
This episode of SkyWatchTV dives deep into Jonathan Cahn’s newest book, The Avatar: The Return of the Ancients and the Future of America, exploring the convergence of biblical prophecy, ancient pagan paradigms, modern geopolitics, and the supernatural. The discussion unveils Cahn's urgent and "explosive" revelations about how ancient spiritual patterns—particularly involving avatars, gods, and prophetic templates—are replaying in the U.S., shaping everything from national elections to individual leaders like Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.
Ancient Powers Possessing Modern Leaders:
On Kamala Harris’s Prophetic Parallels:
Trump as the Trumpet of God:
Prophetic Interpretation of Trump’s Wounding:
Conditional Hope – The Call to Revival:
SkyWatchTV’s conversation with Jonathan Cahn argues that the struggle for America’s soul is a replay of ancient spiritual battles, with national leaders embodying the avatars of old gods and prophetic patterns recurring in modern politics. Trump is presented as a divinely-placed “trumpet” to push back these powers, and Harris as an avatar of ancient goddess energy. In the end, Cahn insists the outcome depends not on who occupies the White House, but on the hearts of the American people—the call is for authentic revival and bold, practical faith in troubled prophetic times.