Blood Type: Marinara (Will Arnett, Part 1)

Summary

Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: "Blood Type: Marinara" (Will Arnett, Part 1)

Release Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast Network: SmartLess Media

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Episode Overview

In this candid and hilarious episode, comedians Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally welcome their friend, actor-comedian Will Arnett, for an unfiltered discussion about health, wellness, and navigating middle age after a life of excess. The trio dives into Arnett's recent forays into dramatic acting, his diet and exercise changes, struggles (and jokes) with vices, and the oddities of public perception in the age of podcasts and social media. The mood is a freewheeling mix of self-deprecating comedy, heartfelt admissions, and genuine insight, maintaining the show's signature blend of honesty and irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Will Arnett’s Public Persona & Podcast Controversies

• On a recent joke about tattoos:
  • Arnett recaps how his satirical comment on another podcast—"the more tattoos you have, the more boring you are"—went viral and was misunderstood by listeners.
    • Quote: "It's something that I've said to my friends with tattoos for years. And it's basically a bit... But people are insulted by it. It's insanity." (02:39 – 03:15)
  • The trio laughs about how minor podcast bits can be spun into internet news, often missing context.
    • Quote: "It's crazy when you realize that bullsht is news... Who is this matter to?"* – Jon (03:15)

2. Health, Aging & Body Image in Showbiz

• Discussion of diets, health, and changes with age:
  • Will reveals that an agent prompted him to see a nutritionist after age 50, which led to cutting sugar, most carbs, and scheduling cheat meals.
    • Quote: "I think I always was able to stay thin. And then I got over 50. And as you know... it just gets hard." (08:13)
  • Adam and Jon share personal milestones: Jon has lost 20 pounds, now under 300 lbs for the first time in a decade.
    • Jon: "I'm like down 20 pounds... under 300 for the first time in like 10 years. It feels amazing." (05:56)
• The reality of doctor check-ins and health humility:
  • The group jokes about lying to doctors and how even “watered down” admissions get called out, especially around alcohol and smoking.
    • Quote: "The worst with those kind of situations is when you downplay what you're doing, and they still say it's bad..." – Jon (09:26)

3. Wellness Routines & Will’s Actual Regimen

• Diet specifics:
  • Arnett details his nutritionist’s plan: mostly protein and veggies, with strictly limited carbs and a solitary cheat meal per week.
    • Quote: "I don't have a cheat day. I have a cheat meal. Once a week, every seven days, I have one cheat meal. Jesus." (14:00)
    • Emphasis on desserts with "no preservatives" even for cheat meals.
• Exercise routine:
  • Will: boxing-inspired workouts with "Fight Camp" (a Peloton-style home boxing system), walking, hiking, kettlebell work—generally light but consistent, done solo.
    • Quote: "I just do, you know, street fighting, mainly a lot of street fighting." (14:23 — joking, then describes real routine)
• Sleep hack from nutritionist:
  • Pre-bed: a cup of berries or specific sorbet for a natural sugar spike that aids sleep.
    • Quote: "40 minutes before you go to bed... eat a cup of berries or a sorbet... you get that spike of natural sugar, and then you'll crash and you'll go to sleep better, and... he was right." (15:16)

4. Jokes & Jabs about Addiction and Vice

• Cigarettes and nicotine:
  • Will and Adam commiserate over struggles to quit smoking, the prevalence of nicotine pouches ("zinning"), and the idea (half-joking) that nicotine is a nootropic.
    • Quote: "They've never let me down. They've never lied to me. They always told me what they were going to do." – Will, on cigarettes (11:29)
    • Quote: "I don't drink. I'm so happy that I don't for myriad reasons..." – Will (16:38)
    • Discussion: Huberman's research on nicotine pops up, and both hosts highlight the trend of using nicotine as a supposed "performance enhancer" (17:47)
• Banter about "OnlyFans" and personal boundaries:
  • The comedians riff on their physical quirks (and kinkiness), wrapping health talk in R-rated jokes.
    • Jon: "Much like my OnlyFans, I prefer a little more than two fingers." (16:24)

5. Showbusiness: Public Perception, Serious Roles, and ‘The Hanks Run’

• On Tom Hanks’s career:
  • The group marvels at Hanks’s decades-long seamless switch from comedy to drama.
    • Discussion segues into Will’s own shift toward dramatic work and accompanying press tours.
    • Quote: "Hanks also did like 10 years of dominating comedy and then switched to drama and then was the go to drama guy for like another decade." – Jon (22:27)
• Will’s recent press and the surreal aspect of "being serious":
  • Arnett reflects on how being earnest about art can feel "corny" after a career of self-deprecation.
    • Quote: "For me, I feel like, man, it's hard for me to be that earnest in a way." (26:29)
    • On public expectations: "My instinct is to like undercut myself for the sake of comedy and to not come across as a guy who's serious." – Jon (28:46)
  • Arnett recounts encouragement from his 15-year-old son:
    • Quote: "Don’t let the fact that that happened ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, Dad." (30:53)

6. Stand-Up Comedy Preparation & Method

• Getting into character for a dramatic role as a standup:
  • Will describes performing under a character’s name at real clubs as research for a film.
    • Quote: "I would go down... being introduced as Alex Novak. And people did, like... think I was losing my mind." (32:09)
  • Discussion around the impulse to be funny even in serious settings, and how working with trusted collaborators (e.g., Bradley Cooper) enabled deeper vulnerability and risk-taking on camera.
    • Quote: "He's a foot from me with the camera in my face... 'we gotta go deep on this... throw it all away.' It was dope, man. It was scary as that is." (40:30)
• Improv vs Stand-Up:
  • Adam and Jon reminisce about coming up through improv, emphasizing how it creates a different relationship to the stage and comedy than stand-up (36:32)

7. Future Projects and the Value of "Choice"

• On choosing projects at 55:
  • Will reflects on finally doing work that truly interests him, working with Tony Gilroy, Pedro Pascal, and others.
    • Quote: "I only want to do stuff that I respond to... it's gotta be something that feels valuable." (42:10)
  • States that while comedy will always be appealing, he’s driven now by "what resonates," not obligation or routine.
• The luxury of riffing in podcasts keeping creative fulfillment high:
  • Quote: "That scratches a lot of itch, oddly enough." (44:16)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On virality and comedy out of context:
  • "If you're insulted by it, then you're proving my point. But the truth is I don't have a point. I didn't even mean it." – Will Arnett (02:54)
• On hitting health milestones:
  • "I'm under 300 for the first time in 10 years. It feels amazing." – Jon Gabris (05:56)
• Joking about "old school" weight loss:
  • "I start by not eating. Then I smoke a couple butts, repeat every day." – Will (06:28, recalling a text to Adam)
• Reflecting on aging in showbiz:
  • "You can't do it as you get older, too. Like, you just can't. Your body can't do it." – Will (17:02)
• Will’s son on handling disappointment:
  • "Don’t let the fact that that happened ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, Dad." (30:53)
• On the appeal of stand-up research for film:
  • "And so when I started doing stand up... I wanted to have that experience, truly what it was like to be this dude." – Will (32:04)
• On collaborating with a trusted director:
  • "Trust is just built, built, built… There can be no bullshit here." – Will (39:21, 40:30)
• Outlook on new opportunities:
  • "I'm not precious about it... I only want to do stuff that I respond to." – Will (42:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Podcast/joke controversies & tattoos: 02:13 – 04:10
• Physical health and doctor stories: 05:20 – 10:50
• Diet/exercise specifics: 11:03 – 16:01
• Substances & "performance enhancers": 16:08 – 18:28
• Discussing Tom Hanks and acting transitions: 21:40 – 23:55
• Will Arnett on Oscar press runs: 24:06 – 28:46
• Lessons from Will’s son about perspective: 30:31 – 31:29
• Stand-up preparation and improv vs. stand-up: 32:04 – 38:45
• Art of collaboration & personal/professional trust: 39:21 – 41:05
• Outlook for future projects: 42:04 – 44:16

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode is a seamless blend of honest reflection and signature raunchy banter, staying true to "Staying Alive’s" mission: making health and midlife not just approachable, but entertaining. Will Arnett’s mix of self-deprecation and candor pairs perfectly with Gabrus and Pally’s comedic vulnerability. For those who care about how comedy intersects with well-being, creative evolution, and the hilarity of midlife, this episode is essential listening.

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Next Episode Tease:
The conversation continues in Part 2, where the trio will dive into Will's morning routine, fatherhood, and a deep-dive into Benicio Del Toro stories.

Transcript

[Announcer]

Smart.

[Will Arnett]

Less.

[John Gabris]

Hey, Will, thanks for. Thanks for doing this.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, dude.

[Adam Pally]

Thank you.

[Will Arnett]

Gents.

[Adam Pally]

How you doing? Dude, you look. You look awesome.

[John Gabris]

Look at that facial hair.

[Will Arnett]

Really? Oh, thanks.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you got some. You got Tony Dark Sean. Yeah. You got some sun and you got some Iron Man.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, I was just shipwrecked. You don't hear about it that often anymore about people being shipwrecked. It's old school.

[John Gabris]

But I knew I had to do staying alive, so I paddled to shore to make sure I did this stupid podcast.

[Adam Pally]

I hope that the intro music. Are we allowed to play other artists intro music or it just has to be ours?

[John Gabris]

I think we should keep it to be just ours.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, okay. So it would be cool if. It would be cool if today we could play something from Bruce Springsteen because the Boss is here.

[John Gabris]

Yes, our Boss is here. He does not like. We will learn that he does not like to be called the Boss, but he is our pod father.

[Adam Pally]

He is the Boss.

[John Gabris]

Will Arnett on the podcast today. Big guest. So we're not going to go into a long, cold open because we don't want to turn off anyone who's here to hear Will and not understand that it's.

[Adam Pally]

It's for anyone new Welco. We hope that you. You can learn a little something about what it takes to stay alive as you get older. And you don't necessarily play by the

[Will Arnett]

rules all the time. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Well, without further ado, I'm learning French. Will Arnett, is that your next duolingo trio lingo?

[Will Arnett]

The podcasts lately? Oh, I've been feeling a little podcast burn lately. I'. Oh yeah.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah. No, of course not. Advertisers, we love it. But it's so I made a joke.

[Adam Pally]

Working your ass off.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, it's. I did this podcast with this guy in the uk. He's so fun. I mean, it was. I forget how long ago it was like whatever, a couple months ago. And do you know this dude, Romesh, this comedian? He's so funny. He's really, really funny. So this podcast and he asked me and I told him this. Like I have this controvers. I said, there's a direct relationship.

[Adam Pally]

There's tattoos.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. And I said, the more. The more tattoos you are, the more you have, the more boring you are. Now here I was very clear a. It's something that I've said to my friends with. I don't have any. That I've said to my friends with tattoos for years. And it's basically a bit. Right.

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

But I say that people are freaking out and the comments and the thing. And then I'm like, what a boring response. If you're insulted by it, then you're proving my point. But the truth is I don't have a point. I didn't even mean it because I have a million friends who are covered with tattoos and people are insulted by it. It's insanity. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

It's crazy when you realize that bullshit is news. Like all of you're like, will Arnett says they did have a guy on smart list that they didn't air or whatever.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Goes everywhere. And you're like, who, who is. Who is this matter to? What even matter to Will?

[Will Arnett]

You? It doesn't matter to me at all.

[John Gabris]

But it matters to podcast.

[Will Arnett]

Most of them are just to around in the moment, right? And then you're like. And then you hold it up. Let's read this back in court. So your theory on tattoo. It was not a theory. It's a bit.

[John Gabris]

You said here you like, you love to go swimming with bowlegged women. Is that correct? It's like I was quoting a movie.

[Adam Pally]

Anytime you get like, even do. This is all a net loss. Like, this can only hurt. This can only hurt.

[John Gabris]

That's why we are so thankful that you're coming on our podcast. Cuz it's only. It's just loss.

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah,

[John Gabris]

it's just a minefield of like,

[Will Arnett]

it's a very loose. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Well, if you're not our boss, that means Rich is our boss. And that is a problem.

[Will Arnett]

That is. You're right, by the way. That's a problem for everybody.

[John Gabris]

If you prefer the term pod father, we could do that too.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, I like that. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know what I wanted to ask you? Well, like tattoos.

[Will Arnett]

Please be about tattoos.

[John Gabris]

No, you're talking to guys who have matching tattoos. We are. We are wildly boring.

[Adam Pally]

I can't give a fuck about. When I saw that he was like, you know what? He's kind of right. I am a drag.

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[Adam Pally]

My head goes instantly to. Because now you're like a dramatic leading

[Will Arnett]

man

[Adam Pally]

is to what like, do you feel? How are you thin? How. How are you looking?

[Advertiser Voice]

Like this.

[Will Arnett]

Oh, like, oh. Oh. Physically.

[Adam Pally]

And physically. Oh, yeah. Like how?

[Will Arnett]

Because.

[Adam Pally]

Because the. Our show is about staying alive. Like, because we're too out of shape or better in shape. Now we're. Yeah, we're doing pretty.

[John Gabris]

I don't know if it's the show or like dark medical revelations.

[Will Arnett]

You guys look good.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I'm like down 20 pounds. Yeah. There I'm under 300 for the first time in like 10 years. It feels amazing. Yeah, I might have to start buying new budgie smugglers,

[Adam Pally]

but, like. So what are you. What are you doing to stay alive? Like, are you. Because I have a text exchange that you and I have that I found on my phone today from over the summer that I could read to you

[Will Arnett]

that we might have to edit.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think we do.

[Will Arnett]

It's pretty.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think we do.

[Will Arnett]

Okay, it's pretty.

[Adam Pally]

It's pretty base. And it heads into the question starts with Long island, baby. Where you at? Headed to Ruby Rosa to eat my weight in red sauce. What are you doing? No can do on pizza, but let's hang out this week. Then I wrote back, what are you doing to keep that Walton Goggins physique? And then you wrote back, you wrote back, I start by not eating. Then I smoke a couple butts, repeat every day.

[John Gabris]

And as always, we are not doctors on this show.

[Adam Pally]

Do not take someone who struggles. Who struggles with everything, including the smoking.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I'm blood type marinara at this point, so I get it. I get.

[Will Arnett]

I'm. Yeah, it's that old school diet man of just right. I look, I look. I think a lot of people. I look like that dude who, like, now that I'm looking on the thing here, I look like that dude who's like kind of tan and smokes butts and drinks coffee. Drinks coffee.

[John Gabris]

Plays. Plays chess.

[Will Arnett]

I became the guy that I used to go to. My buddies, hey, look at that guy, right?

[Adam Pally]

We all do.

[John Gabris]

That's who I aspire to be.

[Adam Pally]

Look at me. I look like fucking Mark Maron drowned in a pool.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I look like an offensive lineman in court for a fucking dui.

[Will Arnett]

I locked the gates.

[John Gabris]

How come you didn't lock the gates? I drowned in the pool.

[Will Arnett]

Jesus Christ. Jesus. You know what the truth is about? What are we? About 18 months ago, one of my agents was like, hey, you should go talk to this doctor, like, out of the blue.

[John Gabris]

Not out of the, out of the blue for you, but that's something that was on the agent's mind.

[Adam Pally]

Nothing is ever out of the blue, man.

[Will Arnett]

Meanwhile, like, the CAA had a morning meeting about my weight, and they go. And he goes, you should go see this dude who's basically like a nutritionist and talk. He's like, what? So I was so. And that's a true story. And I was like, you know, I think I always was able to stay thin. And then I got over 50. And as, you know, like, it just. It gets hard when you're over 50. It's just. And, like, sort of like, I'm gonna eat what I want, but I'll just work out. And then you just get massive. So. So. So I was like, what do I do? So I went to see this guy, and he helped me look at the stuff I was eating. And he was like, okay. And, like, you know, you tell him. He's like, how. What do you. You know, you tell him, like, it's not that bad, you know? And then you tell him, he's like, wow, that's terrible. And you're like, oh, shit. Really?

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

The worst with those kind of situations is when you downplay what you're doing, and they still say it's bad. You're like, yeah, like two beers, like, a couple of nights a week. And they're like, that's really bad. I'm like, oh, I was lying already. That's a good.

[Will Arnett]

I did that once years ago when I used to drink in. This guy said, I went to this doctor. I could tell. And I go, this is like early 90s. And he goes, how much do you drink? And I said, I'm thinking, like, what is going to be? I go, probably six drinks a week. He's like, that's a lot. And I'm thinking, motherfucker. But that's before I go out. I have six drinks.

[Adam Pally]

That's a day.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

So Adam and I are very adjusted to telling a doctor, not cigarettes whenever they ask me, smoke.

[Adam Pally]

Don't do that anymore. I've regressed. I've regressed, so I can't even do that anymore. Now I'm lying about cigarettes to a doctor in New Zealand who's, like, filling out a physical. I'm like, sitting in, like, the. In order to get to set. They're like, a doctor's going to come in here. You all right with that? I'm like, yeah, whatever. Guy comes in, he's like, says he. Three to five drinks a day. I was like, I don't. No. I don't know.

[Will Arnett]

I don't know. I didn't even fill that out.

[Adam Pally]

Somebody else wrote that when they saw Me?

[John Gabris]

Well, it's, it's metric down here, right? So. Yeah, it's not actually the same amount.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. And a day. You mean tomorrow? Because tomorrow is, is our yesterday, so. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Oh, we're not doing time zones. Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Next thing I know, he's like, writing like, psychopathic convers Conversation.

[Will Arnett]

Borderline personality disorder.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, borderline.

[Will Arnett]

I, and so the truth is actually, so I cut it. I ended up cutting out basically, sugar, which is my number one, I think my number one addiction. Because I won't, because I'm not addicted to cigarettes, and they're addicted to me.

[John Gabris]

Cigarettes and I are synergistic, help each other.

[Will Arnett]

They've never let me down. They've never lied to me. They always told me what they were going to do.

[Adam Pally]

Meanwhile, they're like, lying to you from the moment.

[Will Arnett]

I know, I know.

[Adam Pally]

I, I, I was gonna say, like, sugar. When you say no sugar, like, how strict are we talking? Are we talking like, no? Like, you go out to sushi, you're doing sashimi.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, basically when I'm really doing it. And so I go, I eat. Oh, God, it's so boring. But not on this podcast. I know, I know.

[John Gabris]

Also, we kind of live in the boring world, so don't let.

[Adam Pally]

I got a bunch of tattoos, man. This is the I'm into.

[Will Arnett]

Right? Right. It's so good.

[Adam Pally]

It's so good.

[John Gabris]

You're like, I hated that this blurb went around and we've brought it up 11 times.

[Will Arnett]

No, I, I love it because it's so dumb. Because it was so meaningless. Romesh is laughing himself.

[Adam Pally]

You know what I took from that clip is like, Ramesh is like, he's like, I have tattoos. Am I boring? And I wanted to be like, no, but the apple watch is making you boring.

[John Gabris]

We should be.

[Adam Pally]

Tattoos are fine. It's the apple watch.

[Will Arnett]

So you, you, you bas. I basically, like, I was that difficult.

[John Gabris]

Like, do you have any hat, anything that you did for yourself? Like, any substitutes or anything like that

[Will Arnett]

that were like, dude, dude, I'm. I'm addicted to ice cream. I, I love ice cream. Like, my favorite sweet. It's my favorite. So I'm like, every day for me is like a nine year old's birthday party leading up to this when I, Every day you'd be like, what are you doing? And so I had to like, go. So I had to go. To answer your question, I didn't even go for sushi because I couldn't. I was too nervous that I wanted to eat the rice. Right. So then I Just so every day I'd wake up and eventually I started. I was doing like I always do, like, a little bit of oats and then some berries and whatever. And then like, a little snack. And then lunch I have a salad with. With chicken. And then at dinner, I have to have like 18 ounces of protein, fish or meat and some veggies. And then actually, there's a crazy thing here. So I did that. And then eventually he and I could have a cup of rice with lunch. Then he got. And then like, 45 days into it, he's like, now you got to cut all the carbs. So now I have none. And I don't have a cheat day. I have a cheat meal. Once a week, every seven days, I have one cheat meal. Jesus. Yeah. And he's like, don't go downtown on your go uptown. Meaning, like, don't eat a bunch of crap on your cheat meal. Don't go to like, Taco Bell and McDonald'.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[Will Arnett]

Have a nice dessert. Yeah, have a nice dessert that doesn't have, like, a bunch of preservatives in it. And so I've kind of stayed to that for the last year and a half, and I've had a couple times where I haven't been able to, but for the most part, I've stuck with it and exercised at the same time, and it's been pretty good. Here's a cool kind of thing that he taught me.

[Adam Pally]

What kind of exercise are we doing?

[Will Arnett]

I just do, you know, street fighting, mainly a lot of street fighting.

[John Gabris]

Your Kimbo slice in the backyards of Florida.

[Will Arnett]

Hard to find a good gym. Trying to find a good gym.

[Adam Pally]

But it's easy to find a street fight.

[Will Arnett]

I'm doing, you know, I do. Pretty light in terms of the gym. Pretty light. I was doing this thing where I was like. And I do it. I don't do it as much anymore just because of time, whatever. But I was doing this boxing thing called fight camp, and Thoreau turned me onto it. And it's like you get like a. It's almost like peloton for boxing that I look like the. I'm into it losers boxer of all time.

[Adam Pally]

I'm the worst in there. I'm the worst in there.

[Will Arnett]

But the cardio of it was really great. So. So I do that a couple days a week. I do these, like, sort of long walks and. Or hikes, and then I do stuff with like, kettlebell. Pretty light stuff. Just.

[John Gabris]

You had a trainer. Are you doing this on your own?

[Will Arnett]

No, I do it on My own. I'm pretty consistent. That's cool. Yeah. And. And. And so that. That's been good. He taught me this really cool thing, which is he's like 40 minutes before you go to bed, before you're gonna go to sleep, eat, like, a cup of berries or a sorbet. And he gave me a couple brans so that you get that spike of natural sugar, and then you'll crash and you'll go into sleep better, and you'll sleep better. And God damn it, he was right.

[John Gabris]

Oh, and there's probably the psychological element of, like, now I get to have my treat, and then it's like a little treat and then going to bed and like, oh, that's a real interesting wind down.

[Will Arnett]

Pretty insane. Pretty insane.

[John Gabris]

My version of that is I switched from a joint and a bourbon to a joint and a chamomile tea.

[Advertiser Voice]

Oh, that's.

[John Gabris]

And that has been. And I'm out on my balcony sipping tea and having an indica, and I'm like, I'm going to sleep like a baby. And it's so much better for me than two. Two fingers of fucking Basil Hayden. Two fingers.

[Will Arnett]

Much like.

[John Gabris]

Much like my only fans, I prefer a little more than two fingers.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I mean, alcohol is the biggest. Alcohol is the big thing that, like,

[John Gabris]

I mean, it's a saboteur of your health.

[Adam Pally]

It's like you let it in any one killer. It's.

[Will Arnett]

It's trash. And it's for a lot of different reasons. And, yeah, I'm. I don't drink. I'm so happy that I don't for. For myriad reasons, but one of them is that, you know, the. Every time there's a new study that comes out, which is like, every four

[John Gabris]

hours, every four hours, Huberman's making a fucking proclamation about, I can't believe we ever drank alcohol. You're like, oh, come on.

[Will Arnett]

And I just think, oh, thank God I don't. And I do feel better as a result of it. And you can't do it as you get older, too. Like, you just can't. Like, your body can't do it.

[John Gabris]

It's harder. It takes more and more of a toll on you.

[Will Arnett]

Every year. I want to quit smoking butts. I really do. And I don't smoke as much as I used to.

[Adam Pally]

Are you zinning?

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. I mean, I just put one out. I just stubbed one.

[Adam Pally]

That's the level. I have a problem zinning. I can't do it.

[Will Arnett]

It.

[Adam Pally]

I can't.

[John Gabris]

So many of my friends are Zinning. So my friends are zinning and still blasting Sigs, which is like.

[Will Arnett]

I'm like, yeah, that's me. I don't do it at the same time.

[John Gabris]

At the same time. So someone. I've got people who are telling me that nicotine is actually, like, a nootropic, and it's like.

[Will Arnett]

It is.

[John Gabris]

It's like a performance enhancer.

[Will Arnett]

It is. Well, we just. We did. We actually just had Huberman on. On the podcast, and I got to say, he was pretty great. And I ended up being fascinated with everything he was saying, and I didn't want it to end. And I was like, and then what if I do this? And what if I. Like, I was like the little kid, you know, Ye. And he talked about nicotine and how great it is.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I just look like I have nine zins in my mouth at all times.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Will's hitting the 5 milli. What do they call them? The 5 mil lip pillow or whatever.

[Will Arnett]

I'm on the. I'm on the three right now, but I. I go back and forth between the three and the sixes and then.

[Adam Pally]

And then. And what does it do? It's just like a pouch, like a baseball player, or is it like. Or you swallow it or like.

[Will Arnett]

No, no, you just put it. You put it between your lip and your teeth. It takes a second to get used to. It's like these little pouches like this.

[John Gabris]

And I know for a fact, based on experience, that Adam can't handle just packing a lip with something.

[Will Arnett]

We.

[John Gabris]

We did. We did recreational ketamine together, and you're supposed to just put it in your lip. And Adam's like, I chewed it and swallowed it. I was like, what the.

[Will Arnett]

You can't leave it there.

[John Gabris]

It's like a little kid.

[Adam Pally]

I played baseball in high school, and, like, swallowing sunflowers. As soon as that shit started, like, as you go from sunflower seeds to, like, the first kid brings in chewing tobacco, I was just like. Like, I can't. I could never pack a lip in high school. I can't do it.

[Will Arnett]

I. I have a weird. That's funny saying that. I have a weird time off. Half the time when I would go to get it out of my lip, I start the gag.

[Adam Pally]

Something about that. That place.

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I can't. I also gag when I put my contact lenses.

[John Gabris]

Well, I think you're supposed to put them in your eyes, not. Not the back. I have no gag reflex. Again, I'm sorry. That's for my only fans Clip that.

[Will Arnett]

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[John Gabris]

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[Will Arnett]

Fuck, that's a great clip on its own.

[Adam Pally]

That's gonna be the clip that, I

[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

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[Will Arnett]

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[Will Arnett]

It does make you think. It does make you think about Tom Hanks. God, he's done so many different things. It's. The dude's kind of unreal.

[Adam Pally]

I was just thinking about his run the other day.

[Will Arnett]

Like, it's unreal, right?

[Adam Pally]

His run. His run from like Joe versus The volcano, maybe even. I mean, Splash is the original. Like, he made a few clunkers.

[John Gabris]

I mean, they didn't. They never stuck. They never.

[Adam Pally]

They didn't stick to him. Yeah, because.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, but he made like 60 movies and he made like 30 really good movies. So, like. Yeah, half of them I'm gonna let him have. I mean, mine is. I made only clunkers. You, dude.

[Adam Pally]

I was gonna say, like, do you know, if you looked at my IMDb, like my average, I'm batting 164 in the Miners, dude.

[John Gabris]

Hanks also did like 10 years of dominating comedy and then switched to drama and then was the go to drama guy for like another decade.

[Adam Pally]

Like, similar to you, Will. You're a little late, but a little late.

[John Gabris]

I don't think, brother Solomon.

[Will Arnett]

I don't think I'm dominating anything.

[Adam Pally]

I don't know, dude. I think it depends on how you look at it. Like, this is your turn to Hanks run it just a couple years later than he did.

[John Gabris]

We're just doing a few more terminals.

[Will Arnett]

I decided to wait till I was 55 because I didn't want to embarrass anybody.

[Adam Pally]

I love it when people, people do say to me sometimes they're like, do you ever think about doing like a drama? Like changing up and always like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

I'm trying to do comedy all the time.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, what do you got? Yeah, they're like, you know what you gotta do? You gotta work with really good directors. Yeah, okay.

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[Will Arnett]

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[Adam Pally]

I would love that. Have you showed them my extensive 20 year television career? Yeah, because I have.

[Will Arnett]

You could google me. You got a number on them. Let me just. You got a number on them.

[Adam Pally]

It's like, oh, it'd be so cool if you worked with Wes Anderson. You're like, yeah, I would. Yeah, be awesome.

[John Gabris]

It was like, cool that that's the real like grown up version of your aunt saying, like, have you. You should do the Conan o' Brien show. You should do it. You know? And you're like, yeah, I would love.

[Will Arnett]

Right?

[John Gabris]

I should, I should get on SNL at 44. I could speed run my speedball death.

[Adam Pally]

I was gonna ask you about this press run that you, that you've been doing because it's a dream of, of mine as someone who's worked, you know, in comedy at the way you have for a long time. To see you doing the like a like Academy Award run press tour where you're like in cool clothes and like, you know what I mean? And there's like Pictures of you in a swimming pool with clothes on.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And then, you know, and there's like,

[John Gabris]

yeah, you're sitting, sitting cross legged in like the W lobby with like, or something like.

[Adam Pally]

And then there's like an interview with you and Odessa A. Zion together. You're like, you're doing it, you know, like, how does that feel? Like, do you ever. Does the comedian part of you ever? Because I consider you like a comedian. You are one of the, your comedian. Like, do you, does that side of your brain ever click on while you're doing, while you're doing it all? While you're like, wow, this is new.

[Will Arnett]

A gazillion percent. And so the difference is, how do you do that? Well, yeah, I spent a long, long time, you know, doing stuff and fucking around. And what happens is by the end, like when you do something with. As part of that, when you go and you do something like with Ramesh and I'm just dicking around, it's so fun because then I just get to dick around, which is why I say a bunch of stupid shit that I don't mean because you're just, you're just having fun. Fun, right. Yeah, but a lot of those things you gotta go and you know, look, the movie we made this movie is this thing on that Bradley and Mark Chaplin and I wrote and we worked on for. It took like from the time that we decided to start doing it until the time that it came out was like seven and a half years or something. Right?

[Advertiser Voice]

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[Will Arnett]

Yeah. And so like we took it really seriously and we did it and it's. And we spent a lot of time on it, obviously, and a lot of care. And so you come out with it and then when they start to, you know, start thinking like, hey, maybe this has a chance for people to recognize it for X, Y and Z. You want to give it the. You, you're, you're, you're doing a bunch of different stuff. And so you're. You, you, you want to speak very. It's tough because you don't want. For me, I feel like, man, it's hard for me to be that earnest in a way.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Comedy is not. Comedy is inherently like, like you want

[John Gabris]

to undercut yourself and undercut the situation so frequently.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. But then you. But it. But you know what? The same rules apply in that you just got to read the room, which is these are people here who are appreciating it and so that you, you do take it seriously. And I did take Seriously doing the project itself. And I do really like it and I am really proud of it. So then. But there were times when. Yeah. Where you just kind of like you fuck around. But a lot of the time, you know, the questions are different too. The questions are. Or like what, you know, why did you do this? Or what is the message? Or you know, what was the process like? And you're like, well, actually the process was pretty serious. Yeah. It took a lot of preparation. Yeah. To do those scenes took a lot of. We workshop for a long time and you find yourself down this road. And I did have a few times that there were some really cool interviewers who were like, I see that you're struggling with take talking about it in this serious way.

[John Gabris]

And I'm like, well, there's like the. There's another layer to it too that you're a comedy guy doing serious interviews about a serious movie about comedy. It's like, it's like a quadruple 4D cake or some shit.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, man.

[Advertiser Voice]

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[Will Arnett]

Yeah, it's. It's complicated. And, and, and then, but. But at the same time, and then what happens is it's very alluring because people do respond to it and they're like, hey, we really liked it and, and we thought it was a great story. And you're like, you're kind of forced to put your guard down. It was tough for me to kind of talk about me and or it in this way that. That didn't feel like. I kept trying to. I was like catching myself. I didn't want to seem like I was being self aggrandizing. Do you know what I mean?

[John Gabris]

Or this is the most understandable, like headspace to be my therapist one time said to me, do you ever use positive self talk with yourself? I was like, no.

[Will Arnett]

Why?

[John Gabris]

That would be corny. He's like, no, that is something you need to like. And I'm like, oh fuck. I never to used. Like it's so easy to just downplay everything. But then when you're part of something larger, like a piece of art that you're involved with other creatives that you're like, well, I can't go out here and downplay this because I worked hard. Other people worked hard.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

My instinct is to like undercut myself for the sake of comedy and to not come across as like a guy who serious.

[Will Arnett]

What made it easy was in certain ways was that the people I worked with, you know, a Brad, you know, he's.

[Adam Pally]

I got a billion questions.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. He's an incredible, he, he's an incredible filmmaker. Right? I mean, I've known him a long time. His, his capacity for all of it is so insane. And his, and his concentration and his focus is so intense in the best way. And Laura Dern, who's one of our greats, you know, and she's just, she's just incredible. And so you kind of, you, you, you, you start to get in that, you know, know I heard. But what's, what's interesting is so, so that part of it made it really easy. And then when you listen to that and the way they talk about, you're like, okay, yeah, I can talk about this thing. And, and I did take it seriously. You know what's, what's weird is, you know, as pally, you were saying that like you go and you, you're, you're doing these like screenings for the Academy and stuff. And of course we didn't get any nominations for anything for our film.

[Adam Pally]

Not about that.

[Will Arnett]

I know, but what's, what's weird is that they, you, you get put in this place where you've got to go and do that and then, and then you're disappointed and then you're like, I heard Ben Affleck talking about it, I think on Kimmel maybe or something recently, and he, he was much more articulate than I was. But about this idea that people are like, oh man, sorry it didn't get the thing. And you're like, I didn't even when we made it, it's not like I was thinking like, wow, we're going to get, we're going to make this Academy Award Award winning right thing.

[John Gabris]

When you get drafted in the NFL, you're not like, ah, I just want to get. If I don't win. Exactly, exactly.

[Will Arnett]

And that was it. We just wanted to make something good.

[John Gabris]

So played a great game.

[Will Arnett]

So it's confusing. And I remember my 15 year old said to me, and he's such a great kid. You want to talk about. This kid is so funny. He's an absolute bit machine. It's unreal. It's, it's unreal.

[Adam Pally]

Do not introduce him to my son. I do not want, I don't need two of them. That my son is a nightmare machine.

[Will Arnett]

Right? Yeah. It's insane. And, and we were driving home and we, I was driving him home somewhere. I was out here in California and I said, and we found out like that we. Something came out. We didn't get, we didn't get recognized. And he goes, and I hung Up. And I go, yeah. He goes, what happened? I go, yeah, it's a bit of a bummer. And he goes, don't let the fact that that happened and ruin what you think about this great movie that you made, dad. And I was like, you're right. You're absolutely right. It was so dope. It was so dope. And, like, it took my 15 year old to give me the perspective. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

The clarity comes from the most wildest places sometimes. You worked with our mutual friend. Oh, real quick. My buddy, Bob Castron. You both.

[Will Arnett]

Dude. Dude. Bobby Castron is one of the all time funny dudes.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, he's one of the best. I met him when I was a PA at best week ever. Like 20 something years ago when I graduated college. And we've been tight ever since.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, you want to talk about bit machine Bob Castro? So Bob came with us when we were doing. Because, as you know, he used to be a standup back in the day.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

And so when I started doing stand up and was going to the Cellar when I was living.

[Adam Pally]

Were you using your name? Name? Were you using, like, would they say, ladies and gentlemen, Will Arnett?

[Will Arnett]

No, no, I was using the name of the character. Which. Cool. Which was. Yeah, some. I know. Well, I was doing it. Yeah. I think people are like, is he doing like some, like, low rent Andy Kaufman ripoff Daniel Day Lewis over here.

[Adam Pally]

Daniel Day on the set, everyone call me Will.

[John Gabris]

I'm living the life.

[Adam Pally]

All right, Everyone treat me like Will, okay? A stand up comic. He's going through a divorce. All right?

[Will Arnett]

So. So I would. I would go down. And so Bob. Bob came with me. And because we. We wrote all the standup, you know, that's in the film that kind of tracks where this character of Alex is going and stuff. And so I wanted to have that experience truly what it was like to be this dude. And I'm not a standup. So I'd never done it before, but I wanted to understand what that experience was. Going down and being that dude. Really what I got to do is kind of rehearse for six weeks and going to the Comedy Cellar every night and walking downstairs and being introduced as Alex Novak. And people did, like, kind of. I'd get up there, they'd sort of snicker and think like I was losing my mind or whatever. And.

[John Gabris]

Poor guy, poor Will, he's going through it. Sorry, Alex.

[Will Arnett]

I joked. I did joke, though. I did joke that people, you know, like a. You know, so I'm getting divorced and stuff, that people are googling like this asshole got married again. Like what?

[John Gabris]

And you doing a super high pitched voice, right? No gravel or anything.

[Will Arnett]

I was doing like this dude.

[Adam Pally]

The worst part of that was lugging that prop bin up and down those stairs though, right?

[John Gabris]

I'm glad you guys did the rewrite to make the make Alex not a prop comic. I think that was a smart movie.

[Will Arnett]

It was so. It was such a. I'm glad we dropped that because it was.

[Adam Pally]

It was hard to get the up and down the stairs.

[John Gabris]

It was so art department was fueled.

[Will Arnett]

I mean, everything. The plunger, the chicken, the glass, all of it.

[Adam Pally]

You got to be careful with it. You can't just throw it down.

[Will Arnett]

You have to. There's an anvil in there. You can't throw it down. It's gonna ruin the chicken.

[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

We come from improv, as you know. And so like there is that is a different thing. Like, we, you know, we.

[Will Arnett]

We. We.

[Adam Pally]

We had all this training at the Upright Citizens Brigade in New York.

[John Gabris]

So much stage time, but so much

[Adam Pally]

crossover where you're like, oh, I can get on stage. You're like, I can get on stage with no mater of however many people and feel. Feel comfortable. And then you're like, but that doesn't mean anything. That's not currency. That's not, you know, it's not music. It's. It's like shitty jazz, you know, in a way, it's like.

[Will Arnett]

Well, what. You know, what was interesting was so. So when I was. Yeah. So when I'd go down there, the first time that I did it at the Cellar, we walked down the stairs and I was there with Bob Castron and Brad Bradley. And we're standing there by the doorway, you know, downstairs there at the. In the main room there. And. And I'm about to. They're about to call me up, and Bradley knows me, and he knows that I'm gonna. If I get up there, that. Because I didn't come up through. Through improv. I wish I had. I wish I'd known about it. I wish it existed in that way. When I was coming up.

[Adam Pally]

You're pretty adjacent. I mean, you.

[Will Arnett]

You. I'm adjacent. I'm adjacent.

[Adam Pally]

We've hung out at McManus enough for you to be considered an improviser.

[Will Arnett]

Yes, but. But. But, like, I wish. I just wish that that was kind of around more when I was. When I first moved to New York in 1990, like, it just wasn't so. But. But I. But he knows that my instinct is that if I get up, if I walk down there, get on stage, that I'll try to figure out a way to make. To. To. To squeeze out a laugh somehow. Right? To make it, like you said, to make it work, to do something and what. Whatever. And the first time he stopped me and he puts his hand on me and he leans in and he goes, we're doing something different. And basically he was saying, you're not doing that. We're here to do this. This is the job. And so go out there and do the material as Alex and do Alex's material that we do from the film, which is what I did. And that was really cool.

[John Gabris]

The impulse would be to be like, I know how to impress this crowd. I'm a funny guy. Give me a mic.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, Just lean on my sweaty bits. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[John Gabris]

The tattoo. Let me try something out here, guys.

[Adam Pally]

From everything you Said the. The.

[Will Arnett]

The.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I've had a director that. That I've really loved working with that I trust. You know what I mean? But I never had a. Like, a friend who is also my director who's like, it must have been really bonding when you're doing this if you guys are, like, going undercover, writing the movie as it. As it's forming. You know what I mean? Like, that's pretty special to have a friend that's like, hey, but, man, don't do your bullshit tonight. And then. But trust. But trust me that I'm going to have your back and make you look good 100%.

[Will Arnett]

And it was. And it was. You know, again, because I do. I got to see sort of under the hood over the last couple years as we were working on developing it, what an incredible mind he has for this kind of thing and for making movies. And so I trusted that in that moment. Moment. And it did help us be. You're absolutely right, Adam. In terms of weeks later when we actually start shooting, I do that. Trust is just built, built, built, and such a strong thing. And then actually, it was, you know, coming to those moments where we had these really insanely vulnerable moments in the film. And I've got to trust him. And he's, you know, I'm ba. I've never done anything like this on film in this way. And I had to kind of, you know, we talked about it, and he'd be like, you got to trust me that you have to. There's. There can be no bullshit here. There's no acting. There's no bullshit. You have to. And we got to go deep. And he would, like, pull the camera off. He's operating, too. So that was the crazy part.

[Adam Pally]

Soderbergh style.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. So, yeah, he. And well, that's also.

[Adam Pally]

Where's he gonna sit? There's no fricking chairs.

[Will Arnett]

There's no chairs, by the way. There's no chairs. There's no video. Village. Village. Right.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Will Arnett]

Everything's intentional from the moment you show up. From Call Time to Rap. There's never a break. There's never sitting around. I wish for that. It's amazing. So you're always engaged. And he's right there. He's a foot from me with the camera in my face, and he's talking to me as we're rolling, and he's like, here we go. Here we go, man. Here we go. And then you go like, we gotta go. We gotta go deep on this. We gotta go. You gotta fucking throw it all Away all this kind of. It was dope, man. It was scary as that is.

[John Gabris]

Can you introduce us to Bradley?

[Adam Pally]

No.

[John Gabris]

No, I'm not ready.

[Adam Pally]

I don't want. I'm not ready to hang out with Bradley yet. I need a couple more years.

[John Gabris]

I'm not concerned that he's ready to make a movie.

[Will Arnett]

You guys should work with Bradley.

[Adam Pally]

Say, movie. I don't want to hang out. I'm not ready to hang out with Bradley yet. I need a couple more years because, like, there are people like that in my life who, who, Who, Like, I feel like I'm gonna meet Bradley Cooper and I'll be like, I gotta get more like Bradley Cooper and you know what I mean? And like, right now. Right now I just gotta.

[John Gabris]

I can't handle that identity.

[Adam Pally]

I can't handle that right now. I gotta just figure out me.

[Will Arnett]

He's crazy inspiring. I mean, again, like, it. Our whole thing, our whole relationship went into a totally different gear and he really inspired me in so many ways. It was. Was pretty sick. And.

[Adam Pally]

Are you gonna do it again? Are you gonna. I mean, are you gonna. Obviously, the material, you're. You're getting a different look now. Right? Like, there's gotta be cooler stuff.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. I mean, or a more.

[John Gabris]

More variety of things in front of you that you can do next.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, for sure. That's. That's the exciting. That's the exciting part. And. And I'm not. What's funny is again, I think, because maybe I'm. Because I'm 55. I'm not. I'm not precious about it. I'm not like, hey now. But I had these, like, really sort of very, what should be obvious realizations. But it's taken me a long time where I go, like, I only want to do stuff that I respond to.

[John Gabris]

I haven't had that revelation.

[Will Arnett]

What. And like, yeah, I want to do. And so it's been cool. Yeah. And it has been different. You know, I just finished this thing with Tony Gilroy, which was pretty dope. Oh, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Whoa.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah. And with. With. With Pedro Pascal and that was. That was really awesome. And Olivia Wild and a bunch. It was pretty dope. And. And so just a small little thing, but. But like, really cool to be able to kind of do. Do some different stuff. So that's. Yeah, I'm pretty. I'm pretty psyched about it.

[John Gabris]

Are you. Are you looking to downshift and to do a comedy again and be like, oh, fuck, like safety? I feel like a lot like, you know what I mean? You're like, oh, okay. Like, yeah, yeah. Or.

[Adam Pally]

Or is it that Clydesdale out of the gate?

[John Gabris]

Did you get it? Did you get a taste? Did you get a taste? And you're like, I gotta. I want to. You know, let's. Let's see what else is in there. Let me keep digging.

[Will Arnett]

You know what? I think it's more. I. I don't think that I. I mean, that's always. That's always alluring, right? Just because you want. Because if you read something really funny, you're like, oh, that'd be really fun to go around. Do that. But at the same time, I think that it is much more about, like, I just. And if it ends up being something that's funny, that's great. I just want to do something that feels as, you know, it takes, you know, it takes time away from your life and your kids and all that kind of stuff. So it's gotta be something that feels valuable. I get to screw around like you guys do with Jason and Sean all the time. So that scratches a lot of itch, oddly enough.

[John Gabris]

Right? Yeah. That's actually kind of cool when your quote unquote day job is like riffing with talented, funny friends. It's a little. Spoils you a little bit. I don't need to chase this high elsewhere.

[Will Arnett]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I hope you've been enjoying the interview with Will Arnett as much as we enjoyed doing it. So if you want to hear the second half, where we get into Will's morning routine, his kids dunking on him, an extended conversation about Benicio Del Toro, then the next part should start playing. Any second now. Now. Maybe now. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pali, a Smartless Media production in association with Sirius xm.

[Adam Pally]

Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music.

[John Gabris]

Associate producer and video producer is Maddie McCann. Social media producer Tommy Galgano, assistant engineer, Kyle McGraw.

[Adam Pally]

Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[John Gabris]

Executive producers are John Gabris. Ooh, me. Adam Pally. Ooh, you. Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson, and Bernie Kaminsky. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast. It actually helps.

[Adam Pally]

Just so everyone knows we do not have a discord.

[John Gabris]

Don't reach out to us.

[Will Arnett]

See us on the street.

[Adam Pally]

Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[John Gabris]

He was that volleyball, right?

[Adam Pally]

That volleyball pocket.

[Will Arnett]

No, he wasn't. I. He wasn't. I heard it. I heard it's worse I heard it's worse. Wilson was him.

[John Gabris]

Oh, Hanks is bottoming for Wilson. I knew it.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think it's worse.

[Will Arnett]

I don't know.

[Adam Pally]

It's the same thing.

[Will Arnett]

It's actually not worse because when you do the math on it, you're like, no, it's actually better.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, it's the same thing. Right? As long as it's going, it's cleaner

[John Gabris]

and you know, that's like, I'm happy for them.

[Will Arnett]

Whatever happened, I'm happy for both of them. Smart blessings.

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