Yoked Up Here (w/ Dan Le Batard)

Summary

Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: Yoked Up Here (w/ Dan Le Batard)
Release Date: June 18, 2026
Podcast Network: SmartLess Media

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and candid episode, comedians Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally are joined by celebrated sports broadcaster and podcaster Dan Le Batard. Broadcasting from Miami for Season 2, the trio dives deep into the concept of "staying alive"—unpacking strategies for longevity, health, and emotional well-being, especially amidst grief, midlife awakenings, and the legacies of sports and family. The conversation navigates humor, vulnerability, alternative healing, and personal reinvention, making for a heartfelt yet hilarious look at how to keep thriving.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Miami Vibes & Introduction

• [00:25] The hosts joke about traveling for podcasting—Gabrus now sporting bleached hair, a symbol of midlife reinvention.
• Discussion on living life hard, "tying one on" in Miami the night before, and embracing change:
  • “Blondes do have more fun.” – Jon Gabrus [01:23]
  • “Now I’m, like, fully in a midlife crisis, getting my hair bleached and shit.” – Jon Gabrus [01:43]

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2. Dan Le Batard’s Health Journey: Grief, Healing, and Alternative Medicine

• The central question: "What do you do to stay alive?" [09:58]
• Le Batard’s transformative last two years:
  • Loss of his younger brother to illness [13:34], his mother’s hip fracture, and facing his own gallbladder surgery.
  • Pursues acupuncture, NAET (energy work), eating by blood type, and working to avoid traditional surgery.
  • Reframes skepticism about alternative therapies:

    “The previous version of me would have been somewhere between skeptical and cynical to outright…agnostic or atheist about what they’re doing.” – Dan Le Batard [15:47]

  • Struggles with American medicine’s limitations:

    "They're all...practicing medicine. They're not good at it yet with all the practice they've had." – Dan Le Batard [13:28]

• Physical and emotional pain as interconnected:
  • How grief can manifest as literal body pain and tension.
  • Custom healing teams focus on mind-body integration, energy, and emotional release—including Kihara flexibility work and "lubricating" fascia to release stored trauma.
  • Quote:

    "The pain is your body telling you, 'No, that's the place where you're supposed to be working.'" – Dan Le Batard [24:32]

  • Skepticism transforms through felt results: "I know what it sounds like, but I'm also here to tell you I know what the results are, because I physically feel a great deal different." [21:24]

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3. Dealing with Grief and Emotional Growth

• Profound exploration of the aftermath of losing loved ones:
  • The fear of loving deeply (“To love this big is to risk the ultimate loss…that’s the transaction, right?” – Dan Le Batard [18:29])
  • The hosts share parallel experiences: both had parents who died young, prompting their own drive for health (the origin story of the podcast) [14:03-14:27].
  • Recognition that "extreme loss means you had an extreme win… you had extreme connection." – John Gabris [19:24]
  • Therapy, emotional openness, and somatic healing as vital tools.

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4. Physical Health, Diet, and Reinvention

• [29:45] Le Batard discusses discovering (through Meridian blood allergy tests) that certain "healthy" foods were actually problematic for him, stressing the importance of personalized nutrition.

  “Every single person is different…what you’re supposed to be eating is also unique to you.” – Dan Le Batard [30:23]

• Discussion on lifelong struggles with weight and discovering a “whole new person” through new routines [30:47].
• Letting go of regret for lost time, focusing on moving forward:

  "The only thing you have to push out of your mind is why didn’t I start this 20 years ago?" – John Gabris [31:04]

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5. Creativity, Medication, and Mental Health

• Adam Pally shares his experiences with ADHD medication, statins, and talk therapy, and how these interventions unleashed his creativity:

  “Talk therapy mixed with the proper medication…I think has…unleashed my creativity.” – Adam Pally [34:10]

• ADHD diagnosis through analysis of eating habits and seeking dopamine [34:24-35:02].
• Le Batard underscores the importance of meaningful work as a piece of the happiness puzzle:

  "If you’re doing something eight hours a day you hate, I would imagine that would be really corrosive.” – Dan Le Batard [35:19]

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6. Sports, Masculinity, and Unlearning

• Le Batard’s unique take on the “sociology of sports” over mere competition:

  “Just the personality types and what it takes to be better than everyone else.” [43:56]

• The paradox of sports culture: How proximity to elite athletes opens up acceptance of “out-there” wellness protocols (hyperbaric chambers, strict diet regimens, etc.) [40:18-41:12].
• Pop cultural excursions into Knicks history and stories about Muhammad Ali and Pat Riley, using sports as a metaphor for risk, presence, and vulnerability [44:44].

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7. Psychedelics, Curiosity, and Continuous Growth

• The hosts and Le Batard riff on experiences with psilocybin, ketamine therapy, and the value of curiosity turned inwards for personal development.
  • “It’s fun to, like, turn that curiosity inwards and be like, I gotta learn more about this car. I’ve been putting some serious miles on.” – John Gabris [53:54]
• Le Batard’s desire to eventually write a book for men about emotional and spiritual growth, as someone who once doubted all of it [50:34].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Change & Healing:

  • “I would say I’m grateful for the experience I’ve gone through with my brother because it allows me to live now a richer life than the one I was living.” – Dan Le Batard [21:24]
  • “To love in the grandest ways is to hurt more than you’ve ever known.” – Dan Le Batard [18:28]
  • “I was that guy. Like, I would have been that guy before I got knocked over. Just knocked over by something.” – Dan Le Batard [50:34]

• On Personalized Health:

  • “We are all our own universe.” – Dan Le Batard [30:23]
  • “The pain is your body telling you—no, that's the place where you're supposed to be working.” – Dan Le Batard [24:32]

• On Grief & Growth:

  • “I survived my dad’s death. I can survive almost anything now.” – John Gabris [26:53]

• On Work & Purpose:

  • “You never stop learning about yourself and you are like still writing your book, you know.” – Dan Le Batard [50:27]

• On Comedy & Podcasting:

  • “We are pretty much these guys, but I...interrupt even more in person.” – John Gabris [06:52]

• Banter on Sports & Masculinity:

  • “That’s a human resources violation.” – Dan Le Batard [52:20]
  • “We’re running for president.” – Dan Le Batard [49:57]

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Key Timestamps

• [09:58] — Core question: “What do you do to stay alive?”
• [13:34] — Le Batard's story of loss and turning to alternative medicine
• [19:24] — “Extreme loss means you had an extreme win.”
• [24:32] — The role of pain in healing both physically and emotionally
• [30:23] — The science of personalized nutrition
• [34:10] — How therapy and medication impacted Adam’s creativity
• [35:19] — The necessity of meaningful work for happiness
• [44:44] — Le Batard's most admired sports figures and their impact
• [50:34] — Le Batard’s goal to write a book “for emotionally constipated men”

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The hosts’ irreverent, honest, and “grossly forthcoming” style creates a safe space for Le Batard’s vulnerability and depth; humor is interspersed with emotional rawness and practical advice. For listeners, this episode offers a unique mix of real talk on trauma, health, and personal evolution—with plenty of laughter and wisdom for anyone looking to stay alive, in every sense.

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Listen If You Want To…

• Hear powerful, real-life stories about grief and what comes after.
• Learn how to approach health holistically—alternative therapies, diet, the mind-body connection.
• Understand the intersections between creativity, mental health, and emotional resilience.
• Get an unfiltered peek at how three men, schooled in comedy and sports, are learning to embrace growth, curiosity, and self-care—without losing their sense of humor.

Transcript

[Adam Pally]

Smart.

[John Gabris]

Less media. All right, let's bang out a quick intro for our first guest.

[Producer/Assistant]

Sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

And we get a slate.

[Producer/Assistant]

We.

[Dan Le Batard]

We have a slate.

[John Gabris]

Mateo's coming back to LA with us.

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Thanks, Mateo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sorry. Hope you like California.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

From Orange county, actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just like Florida, but the taxes are worse. Before we start anything, there's an appearance. We have. We have to talk. First of all, we're in Miami.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yes.

[John Gabris]

Right. We have to talk about your new tattoo.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're in Miami. We're in Miami doing Staying Alive. We're going to be moving all around the the country this year doing Staying Alive.

[John Gabris]

And, yeah, we were like, we want to raise smart list. They were like, no dice. We're like, okay, can we go on vacations together? They're like, fine, but you got to stay at the Marriott property.

[Dan Le Batard]

And we were like, we don't care where we are as long as we're away. Anyway, we are in Miami for season two of Staying Alive. And Gabrius, you look amazing.

[John Gabris]

Thank you. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

What.

[Producer/Assistant]

What.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's burned this on?

[John Gabris]

I'll tell you what. I solved it. Blondes do have more fun.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I honestly don't think you could have had any more fun than you were having. I don't know how blonde would have done that.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, a lot of people are like, okay, this makes sense.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I mean, it.

[Advertiser Voice]

It looks.

[John Gabris]

I think Stavi made the joke over text. Former guest of the podcast Stavros said, oh, I guess you could get more divorced. He's like, you're already, like, the spokesperson for it. Now I'm like, fully in a midlife. Cris is getting my hair bleached and shit. But, yeah, no, I. I

[Dan Le Batard]

am amazing on you. Like, you. Some people, when they. When they do that, you get to see their face more. And there's something about it where you're like, whoa. I. There was something about the dark shade that was helping you.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you look amazing?

[John Gabris]

I feel amazing. You look amazing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, no, no, no. I'm. I'm.

[Producer/Assistant]

We. We.

[Dan Le Batard]

We. We went out last night.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Should we not. I mean, we don't want too much of an intro on Le Batard's episode for him, but I think if we avoid any proper nouns. You and I tied one on last night.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, we're in Miami.

[Advertiser Voice]

First of all.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're in Miami.

[John Gabris]

First of all, we've said Miami.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I feel like that's. That lets everyone know all the mistakes that I've made. Right. Since I've been here.

[John Gabris]

But let's talk about our first guest, because they are coming in very shortly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sure.

[John Gabris]

We got. I'm very curious to learn more about his path, but more specifically because he has, like a sit down job. I'm curious what. How he stays in alive.

[Dan Le Batard]

You mean Levitard?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I mean, do you. I mean, I think he has the same job we do.

[John Gabris]

Right. That's what I'm saying. I'm so, like, I can really copy his notes.

[Dan Le Batard]

You. Oh, you're looking for guidance.

[John Gabris]

So what do you do to stay alive and how can I implement it immediately?

[Dan Le Batard]

I want to talk to him about doing a radio show with his father because, as you know, my dad, you're avoiding. I'm avoiding doing that.

[John Gabris]

Former guest of the podcast, Dr. Stephen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dr. Steve is trying to get into the podcast game with another former guest of the pod, Anthony Tamanik. And I am. I don't want to be involved. Yeah, but, but.

[John Gabris]

And what's the budget for us to have spinoff podcasts in our feed?

[Dan Le Batard]

And you have to listen to it, honestly. And you got to listen to the first episode. It's so wild. It's about James Vanderbeek, rip May he rest. So that inspired my dad and Anthony to talk about early detection of. Of stomach cancer. To which the episode ends in Anthony telling the audience that he's going to open up a male colonoscopy doula office where he will coach you through your colonoscopy prep. Like a doula. A duty doula.

[John Gabris]

Duty doula. Now, our interview with Dan Le Bertard.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's gonna love this.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I'm sure you were prepped, but we

[John Gabris]

really only ask one question.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I haven't been prepped.

[Producer/Assistant]

Oh.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

So I don't know at all what I'm headed into here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Do you. Speaking of prep, are you TRT guy?

[Adam Pally]

Were you.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's your sack? What do you want?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Hold on a second. Do I. Do I know your name? Did you work with McKay on.

[Producer/Assistant]

On.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

On the original incarnation of Game Theory on hbo?

[Dan Le Batard]

I did, yeah. Yes, actually, I did. With our. Our mutual partner, Justin Tyler. Oh, we did it. We did that show for Adam.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yes. Now I know what you're talking about.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

That's awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. McKay's our. McKay's our. Kind of our mentor. Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah. I love him.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's the sweetest guy. You worked on that show?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

No, I didn't, but I just. I remember that Mike Ryan, my executive producer, was excited about the possibility of what that show could become specifically because you were on it, and there was something about your preceding work, that made that so for. For Mike, who's. Who's a bit of a tastemaker for us.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that's. Well, first of all, tell Mike that I'm very honored, and you can tell him that simply. They just didn't pay me enough.

[John Gabris]

Well, you know what? You know what's really crazy is we are always curious how to start interviews. And I think we just learned from a pro that dropping like a compliment, because I just watched you get absolutely settled in. Like, when Dan hit you with the compliment, you were like, oh, yeah, it was nice having me on that. And now that's a pro. We just learned a lesson about interviewing.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's awesome. Thank you, dude.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

You're very welcome. And I'm so professional. Had no idea we were already on.

[John Gabris]

See, that's how good you are.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

So that's how sincere it was.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was a real human moment.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

That was. That was just you and I talking, not me turning it on for the cameras.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've never had one of those.

[John Gabris]

What? You're tearing up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because I just have never had a real moment that wasn't filmed. Like, I didn't know. So this is.

[John Gabris]

I just don't know how to process human interaction.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I live in a hermetically sealed box and only come out for appearances.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And then they put me back, and

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just consistently pretending to be someone else. So I don't.

[John Gabris]

That's how you stay in mint condition. Like, you know, it's like you keep your flare.

[Dan Le Batard]

You live in a top

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

in this industry, you're just eights turned up to 10 once this happens. Like, that's the best costume to wear when you're in there somewhere, but you're just sort of ratcheting up the volume for people.

[John Gabris]

That is the power of podcasts is like, we are pretty much these guys, but I. I interrupt even more in person. That's the problem. I have, like, a modicum of recording professionalism, and you'll see it's already out there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we're losing it pretty fast. I. I have so much I want to ask you, but you're just talking about being a pro. Like, you. I feel like podcasting and all this, like, you're kind of the. You. You're like the. You were the tip of the. Yeah, you like, you.

[John Gabris]

You're like the radio to podcast pipeline.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Was that. Are you. Do you look at these, at this, all this, and you're like, I built that.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

No, not in any way whatsoever. I don't feel like we're doing anything other than a radio show. And all of the form has changed on what this is. The intimacy of it, the popularity of it has been somewhat confusing to me only because the entire time I was on radio, I was wondering why more comedians didn't realize that all they had to do was be better than a bunch of, like, sports broadcasters who are outsourcing their content to Julio on a mobile phone as opposed to doing it themselves. Like, why more comedians didn't realize that they could all do radio shows because they're spending so much time thinking about what's funny, what's content, what's interesting, that they would be perfect. All of them would be really good host. Now, maybe. Maybe the three hours would be fat. Maybe there'd be an hour and a half. That's not interesting. But there'd be an hour and a half of gold. If I gave professional comedians, if I just gave them a daily platform to work on reps for three hours. I always thought it was a missed opportunity that both more funny people didn't even try sports, the fun and games department, it was confusing to me and that more professional comedians didn't jump over a very low bar.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's interesting. I feel like in Hollywood and. And in comedy too, like, sports is this, like, third rail where it works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. But if you're doing. If it's sports related, it goes in its own bucket.

[John Gabris]

Well, I think there's like a comedy nerd scared of jocks kind of situation, too, that they all have flashbacks to, like high school of being bullied.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[John Gabris]

That's how they became comedian.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

They.

[John Gabris]

I was a jock.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no.

[John Gabris]

Motion proof player.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, no, it's fine. I can tell you.

[John Gabris]

Captain of the swim team.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's okay. It's all right. We can. It's all o.

[Advertiser Voice]

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[John Gabris]

We asked really only one question on this podcast, and now it's come to that time. What do you do to stay alive? What's in your mental health, physical health, diet, whatever?

[Dan Le Batard]

You're a little younger than us, and it seems. And am I?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I don't think I am younger than you guys. I'm 57.

[John Gabris]

Holy. You look great.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're 57.

[John Gabris]

You're a decade older than us.

[Dan Le Batard]

You. What are you doing?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Now I really need to know what you're doing to stay alive, and I don't even care about the show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did you notice that I've learned a little from the master?

[John Gabris]

Oh, my.

[Advertiser Voice]

Dude.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

But also, I do look younger than

[John Gabris]

both of you, so that's after last night. You definitely do, dude. Yeah, I put some serious mileage on last night.

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's just say the value in the blue book is not the same after last night.

[John Gabris]

Don't let us show you the carfax.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

What did you guys. You guys do?

[Dan Le Batard]

You're in Miami.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Miami Ransack you.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, of course.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Where'd you go?

[Producer/Assistant]

We.

[John Gabris]

Well, we went to Cafe Latrova.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's our favorite place. Yeah, I love.

[John Gabris]

We hosted a travel show, and one of our episodes was Miami. And we found a few great places through the help of our locations producers. And now we've come back. Every time Adam comes back, he comes here more than me. He's a New York Jew. So you have to come to Miami once.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm looking for a place to die.

[John Gabris]

We almost found it last night.

[Dan Le Batard]

It came quicker than I thought it was gonna. But I. I come down here once a year and just look for an area to fall over in when I turn Savvy.

[Advertiser Voice]

Like.

[Dan Le Batard]

That'll be nice. So back to the health question, because you're.

[John Gabris]

Now that we know you're now 56.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you lifting. Are you lifting heavy weight? Because it looks like you're lifting.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah, I. So the answer to the question is different the last two years than it would have been at any other point in my life. My brother dies. My little brother dies. It's not. Thank you. It's not something I had ever envisioned, imagined, contemplated. Anyway. He's my little brother. I'm 50 at the time. You know, he's four years younger than me. And so I've got. I'm by his Deathbed for about 10 months. My mother breaks her hip at the same time, and I need a gallbladder surgery that I'm trying to avoid because I've got a gallstone. All of this is happening at the same time. And my wife is very smart about alternative ways of healing. And so the answer to your question has an assortment of things in it. I do acupuncture three times a week. I'm doing something called naet. I eat according to my blood type, and so I'm doing a lot of things that. Where my. If I'VE eaten the wrong thing. My body sort of immediately tells me by. By just making sure that I'm sort of trying the best I can to avoid the surgery because I don't want to go down the path when I'm in the hospital. I won't go too deeply into this story, but my. My brother has gone out, and now nurses are coming and running in because we don't know if we're going to be able to revive him. And I'm getting a call from the doctor I've just started seeing who tells me on the phone, doesn't know me, says, don't let them torture him. Meaning common medicine, practicing medicine. You know, they are practicing. They're. They're all. When it comes to cancer, they're all practicing medicine. They're not good at it yet with all the practice they've had. And he ends up having three surgeries because they did end up torturing him that he wasn't equipped to have. And so I'm trying to do everything to make sure I avoid having the first surgery. That can lead to all sorts of problems. Even though they say you don't need your gallbladder, I'm like, it's an organ. I prefer not to lose an organ.

[John Gabris]

I need my dick either.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But I'd like to have it. Yeah, I'm sure. So a lot of people.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

As long as there's a hole that

[Dan Le Batard]

the things can come out of. What's the.

[John Gabris]

All I need is my cloaca.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

You'd be like a penguin. It doesn't urinate.

[Advertiser Voice]

It just.

[John Gabris]

It just.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah, it's like a.

[Dan Le Batard]

A stone with everything in it.

[John Gabris]

That's like me every morning. I'm like. I'm like Deadliest Catch. When they open the. And all the crisp.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

What an unpleasant image you just created

[Dan Le Batard]

for all of us at a very sensitive moment.

[John Gabris]

I know. Yes. Your brother. Well, when I. That's sort of the impetus for this podcast, too, is Adam's mom died young and my dad died young, and we kind of were like, get life by the balls. And then we did that for, like, two decades, and we were like, wait a minute. Let's get life by the cardiovascular.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

We gotta let go of our balls.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, they're being grabbed too tight.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. So I. I watched my dad. Brain cancer, and like, all. And all the same stuff hit me where I was like, okay, I think I need to, like, re. Aim where I'm. I need to just change my GPS destination from the cliff to, like, you know, six exits before the cliff and

[Dan Le Batard]

for me, my father is. Was. Is a physician, and it was a physician. And my mother died suddenly middle of the night in her sleep. And he spent her. His whole life practicing medicine and couldn't prac.

[John Gabris]

Like, couldn't see that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Couldn't see that coming. You know, it didn't mean, like. And he has saved countless people's lives, including on, like, on this show.

[John Gabris]

He has, like, he got me on Zeppelin. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's, like, reached out.

[Producer/Assistant]

He's.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's. That's why he's a doctor, is like, to save people. He couldn't. So I understand completely that feeling of, like, I don't want to go into the hospital because that's where bad things happen.

[John Gabris]

Well, yeah.

[Advertiser Voice]

And the old.

[John Gabris]

The older you get, the more likely going to the hospital leads to having to go back to the hospital again

[Dan Le Batard]

or never coming out.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah. That's like the. The old person fear. And I get that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Where you're like, you go in for one thing and then another thing happens. Then you're also, like, in an insane, like, germ vector for like, 10 days while you were quote, unquote, recover.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you okay? So you're gallbladder. So you're. You're. You have a gallbladder stone?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I still have the stone. The stone is there. But I. So I have an assortment of people who have dedicated their lives to healing in the places that I totally don't understand what it is that I'm doing. And the previous version of me would have been somewhere between skeptical and cynical to outright either agnostic or atheist about what they're doing.

[Advertiser Voice]

Right.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Because I don't understand it. But it's an assortment of energy work. It's. It's some vibration work I'm doing with brain chemistry that is meant to dissolve my grief. Like, the way wherever it is that your body holds the things like, this is. I don't want to get too.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, no, no.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I really.

[John Gabris]

This is the place.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the place to do it. I need to. I need to get to this machine that solves your grief.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Well, I don't think it. Well, I didn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've been living with this for 15 years. Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah. I don't have. I didn't have any experience at all with. With death of any kind. And this is the most jarring one you could have put in front of me because I was sort of worried about my parents, but I just didn't have any idea, thought contemplation that. That I'd ever be living without My little brother. Yeah, I. I don't think it is, though. If we're. L idea that you're meant to be present and have the understanding that there are no guarantees on anything. We all kind of know this, right? But I felt stupid by not having contemplated it at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

But that's. That's the human that. I mean, that's like kind of the. The. The alchemy of love truly in your brain, like, overcoming logic. And. And you're like, I never have to think about that because this. I love this person. You know, that's. That's why. That's why people don't dwell. Like, if you had. There's a world where, like, I love my children so much that I could sit at home and just think about them, you know what I mean? And be like, call them. How are you doing? What are you. What are you doing? Are you okay? Is everything okay? Is everything okay? Is everything okay? But my brain doesn't comp, like, sit all day being like, this is go, I'm going to lose them, you know, Because I think you couldn't function like that. Well, to.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

To that point, right after this happens with my brother, and I'm just sort of altered in an assortment of ways. I would then look into my wife's eyes with the realization, oh, this could also happen to her. And several times passed out, like, passed out with the fear of the recognition of, whoa. To love this big is to risk the ultimate loss. To. To love in the grandest ways is to hurt more than you've ever known.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And that's the. But that's the transaction, right?

[John Gabris]

To open yourself up. Like, that is, like, the power of it is. It's got a dark side to the power.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, truly, I think. I think about people in my life all the time that have suffered tons and tons of loss, you know, and some of them are. Are the most open and. And, like, willing to take you on. People because of. That's their way to deal with it. They're like, they're the. Everything will be a loss, but I'm gonna love you while you're here. And then I've met people on the other end that are just like, the older you get and the more loss you have, the less connection you make, because I. My heart can't handle it. I can't handle another loss.

[Advertiser Voice]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think that, like, again, probably the best is somewhere in the middle.

[John Gabris]

I think my therapist would say to me something. I'm. I'm grateful for the experience, like. Like, to have an extreme loss means you had an extreme win.

[Dan Le Batard]

Win. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You had extreme connection.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

But your body holds it, though, right. I don't know how many people believe that portion of it. Right. When I tell you about how eccentric the work is I'm doing. And I'm. And I'm. While I sermonize for it, I also would tell you I don't understand what I'm doing in any way. These are lifetime healers who believe in what it is that they're doing. But it's alternative. It's very much alternative.

[Dan Le Batard]

Meditate is a physical movement.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

It's. It's an assortment of things. I can go through it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

It doesn't. If it doesn't bore you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not at all.

[John Gabris]

And we've stopped you, like, every two references because we're like, wait. Vibrational fucking grief control.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Okay, so Steve Kerr. I read Steve Kerr's lost his father to an assassination a long time ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good friend of mine and name drop, good friend of mine, Steve Kerr, he

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

said, maybe you've heard him say, then it's easier to say that you have a toothache than to say you had your heart broken. That he's living with a lot of pain, as you know.

[Dan Le Batard]

Always. Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Because of his back. And so I don't know how much of this I believed before experiencing it, but having gone through what it is I've gone through, I didn't realize that my body was already in a great deal of pain, that I had gotten used to, that I was disconnected physically, that I didn't have a connection between the tip of my fingers and my toes that I could feel through the fascia of stretching. But all these people, what they've done is lubricate me. Right. They've. They've gotten wherever it is I was repressed wherever it is that my. My grief had been manned down to. Push it down with brown liquor.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, stick it.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Stick it down here. They've lubricated me so the NAET work, for example, it's energy work. So I'm working with a doctor that if you watched me do this, you'd be like, there's no way that that works. She's placing things in my hand vials, and she is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did that last night.

[John Gabris]

That vial. This wasn't powder, was it?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think I'm already doing that.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Mine's legal, apparently, in Miami.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mine is too.

[John Gabris]

My energy healer is expensive. In bar bathrooms.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

She can tell whether or not I'm. I. Whether it's restlessness, whether there's anguish. Like, this is the Work that pink. She, she can. Well, she's putting vials in and how. Whatever it is that she's feeling. Right. And I know what it sounds like, but I'm also here to tell you I know what the results are, because I physically feel a great deal different. I, I would say I'm grateful for the experience I've gone through with my brother because it allows me to live now a richer life than the one I was living. Because I got into a bicycle accident, I'm gonna say, seven years ago, where I'm going down the street, a car door opens, and I go into the door, and the door doesn't move.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wayne's worlded.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And so from that point on, I didn't realize that my body was going into rigor mortis. Right. It's going forward because whatever the tissue damage is at the very depth of a trauma, whether it's emotional or physical, your body holds it, and now everything is tightening around it. And so I was going forward. The way that people shrink when they get older or. And didn't know I was going forward is ever so subtle. Right. My trainer said I was like Frankenstein in terms of, like, he'd call me from behind on purpose to see how I move my neck. And I was not moving because all of this was tightened up from the trauma of the accident. So the stuff I'm doing is meant to lubricate all the places that my body is holding, whatever the emotional trauma is.

[Advertiser Voice]

Whoa.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And because you heard, like, back in the day, oh, you keep your tension in your neck or you keep the, you know, but it, or like, you get an injury and it causes you to walk differently for, like, eight weeks, and then that causes some, like, recurring pattern stuff in your body. And your neck hurts this way, so you overcompensate this way, then you eventually have issues here. And it's like when you start fucking unlocking some of those things, you're like, all of a sudden you're like, oh, my God. I, I, I feel it. Like, I, I untightened my hips and hamstrings, and I've, my. I haven't had back pain in, like.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I wouldn't have believed the people who say in yoga that you hold emotion in your hips so much that if you do the right things. Sobbing in, in yoga, because something. I wouldn't have believed that as recently as two and a half years.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you doing yoga?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I'm not doing yoga, but I'm doing an assortment of flexibility exercises. I do.

[Dan Le Batard]

You go to a place or Is it in the house?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I've got a guy, he does something called Kihara, which is. So we do two days of whatever the exercise is. He's studying to see where my body's limitations are. And then he works on me with his feet, where he's like knees and elbows, where he's digging into the places and. And if you are in an adjacent room to me, it's going to sound like someone is being murdered in there because he's physically hurting me. Because the pain is exactly where you're supposed to be going on that stuff in order to heal it. Like, that's a total reversal. I would have avoided pain at any point in my life.

[John Gabris]

But the.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

The pain is your body telling you. No, that's the place where you're supposed to be working.

[John Gabris]

Right. It's like the first time you foam roll.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. You feel instant. Instant relief.

[Advertiser Voice]

It.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Well, it's instant pain. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

But like, when it's done, is it like. Like that? Because I like pain like that sometimes. Like, it's so like, you know, is it the type thing where it's like. And then it's off and you're like, oh.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Fascia is said to have like two weeks. It takes for it to actually. For you to get the benefits of whatever is the mobility is that you want there.

[John Gabris]

This might be the first time we're talking about fascia on the pod. So the fascia is like a layer in between our muscle and skin.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[John Gabris]

That is kind like it's sort of

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

the encasing your skeleton that you never think about. But it's. It's malleable.

[John Gabris]

It's.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

It's like if. If I were to say, like, whatever a Spider man mask would feel like. Like, if you were to press down here, you would feel the stretch of.

[John Gabris]

Right. You can pull. You can pull on your fash. So traditionally, the way you see it done the most and maybe the most, like, lay way. Lay way to have done it. Layway is like a foam roll. Like. Or like. Yeah, right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Isn't that.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Well, he's got the foam roll. So what? The first time I did the foam roll, I'm like, excruciating this. I will never do this again. And now I'm miles beyond that, where a foam roller doesn't even do anything

[Dan Le Batard]

like heel into your back.

[John Gabris]

Well, actually, a little Shihara.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

He's a bodybuilder. He's a big guy. He's 220 pounds, and he's like putting all of his weight on a spot that is meant to. To. But if I'm not in pain, I'm not doing it right. Like, I need to go do that so that I can feel better.

[John Gabris]

And that's. It's a constant journey too, because you're like, yeah, my hips don't hurt anymore. And then all of a sudden your guy goes like, here. And you're like, okay, yep, that's the new spot.

[Advertiser Voice]

That's the new.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

But it's never. Wherever the pain is, is never where it's actually coming from on my body. It's something else that's not working right that needs. Needs the adjustment. But when, like, there's a metaphor in there too. It's not just the physical pain that. That can create growth. I would say the emotional pain has also created a growth for me and that I. I would never have chosen to do any of these things and was really headed toward the first parts of rigor mortis, where your body is just. It starts to stiffen at this age and there's no going back at one point.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, the, the emotional growth, emotional pain just hit for me because it does make you more resilient to future pain. And not in like a closed off way, but in a way of like, I survived my dad's death. I can survive almost anything now. You know what I mean? It's like, and then. Or my. My younger brother's death. And it's like I. I came out on the other side of that. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, et cetera, et cetera. But you're also, if you're doing the work, you're. Whether it's getting it pushed out of you or cbt, cockball torture or just cognitive behavioral therapy, whatever you're doing, you're now building your tool set. And like, when you have another tragic event in your. Inevitably, inevitably, unfortunately have another tragedy in your life, you are more equipped to handle it. You know where your zones are, where you'll be carrying it. And it is sort of like once you've done a marathon or once you've benched 300 pounds, you're like, okay, I know that. I know I'm capable of that now. And there's something, something powerful about it that, like, you are, you know, your brain muscle. You're yoked up here.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yoked up here. I like that as a title.

[Producer/Assistant]

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[Dan Le Batard]

You're working with someone who tells you what your body what to eat by your blood type. Does that how does that work when you're like but I I really am hungry for burger.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Like oh I've struggled with my weight my entire life. Like it's probably the greatest insecurity I've had. I don't know that I've solved it necessarily, but the Meridian blood allergy test was the beginning of this journey in just that I didn't realize that soy milk was bad for me, that broccoli was bad for me, that that whatever the routinely healthy foods we're all, we are all our own universe.

[John Gabris]

Right?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Every single person is different from fingerprints to voice to everything to problems. And and you're what you're supposed to be eating is also unique to you because I was eating things I thought were healthy that did not agree in any way with my body.

[Dan Le Batard]

Interesting that it sounds like you really have discovered Dan LeBatard all over again. Do you know what I mean?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I'm not sure how much I like the previous one, but this one feels better.

[John Gabris]

Yeah right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like because like that's all you can ask. Learning to eat, learning to, to deal with grief, learning to exercise, learning like it's like you've, you've, you've learned a whole new person. You've got a whole new person.

[John Gabris]

The only thing you have to push out of your mind is why didn't I start this 20 years ago? I keep constantly saying to myself, I'm like, like why didn't I start this behavior when I was younger? And I, I, I would be so much better off if I, if I'm on year 10 of. I mean but, but it's so easy to do that with almost anything.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like Netflix stock or something.

[John Gabris]

Yeah,

[Dan Le Batard]

I should bought that Netflix.

[John Gabris]

Who's gonna be watching movies?

[Dan Le Batard]

Like I need another watch.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I was just talking to, I do an interview, long form interview series and I was just talking to Eric Andre about former guest. All of his neuroses and all he did was just sort of mutter under his breath after years of trying all of his anxieties because he's admittedly a very anxious person. He's just like, why was I so stubborn about medicine? Like he was just sort of talking to himself because he finally got the right thing. That helped him with his brain chemistry. Because it's not something that's wrong with you, it's that the brain chemistry for each of us is complicated.

[Dan Le Batard]

I say, I say that all the time as someone who's on, who's on a. I think my count is like a five pill cocktail of. And I'm not talking supplements, I'm talking like doctor told me to take, take these five pills. Mental health, ADHD, statin, reflux, blood pressure. That's like the, you know, 45 year old cocktail that, that I'm on. And I feel great compared to when I wasn't on it. And it's just like, I don't know why. It's, it's very, that's not a hard thing to do every morning. It's a, it's an easy thing.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Has it affected your creativity? Has it altered your. Nothing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you know how hard it is to be creative with the kind of ADHD that I have? I can't, I mean, I can't even. Like I'm sitting here the whole time, my feet are going like this when I'm not medicated, as gamers can tell you, I'm a, he's like Mr. Bean. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

If he skips like two days of his ADHD medication, you have to like leash him up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. I wander off.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like on set, before I was diagnosed, they. On my first TV job, they, they had a PA follow me because I didn't know. I was just like 26 and I would just wander off.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you forgot your script. When we were recording in Miami, actually. And I remember on day three.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[John Gabris]

We got in the car, he opened his car door and like seven room keys fell out of the door. And he's like, I've been getting a room key. Every time I walked in, I just go right to the front desk and say, I lost my room key.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just like, I, I just can't.

[John Gabris]

I'm like, that's such an extra layer of difficulty to your day that every time you go to the room, wait in line at the front desk and ask for another.

[Producer/Assistant]

It's just.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the, but the, the. When I. Two things. Talk therapy also, I think that's very important for me, not for anybody. But the talk therapy mixed with the proper medication, I think has in a lot of ways, like, unleashed my creativity. Because it, I find that I was, it was so hard for me. Like, if you knew me at 25 and I, and I would have an idea, it was impossible for me to even articulate how I would follow through on that.

[John Gabris]

I think they call that the executive function.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that right?

[John Gabris]

Of like the, the decision making, the crack to it. And that's like what ADHD has, like a kind of broken or not broken, a differently abled executive function.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yeah. And actually I was diagnosed through my diet, which was interesting because I. It was interesting when you're talking about your food. Food, because they. My psychopharmacologist was asking about my diet and when I eat and she made me make a log of like everything I was eating and everything I put in my mouth over like a, you know, 48 hour period, but not for weight, for like. And she was like, oh, you, you have severe ADHD. You're eating.

[John Gabris]

She's like, vape is on here 100 times.

[Dan Le Batard]

You eat vapes? No, I like, I eat. I would eat constantly and, and not know that it was bad or that

[John Gabris]

you were chasing dopamine.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. And so, so how do you get your dopamine fix?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Well, what I do and what I've done professionally all my life is invigorating. It's inspiring. I enjoy doing it. I, I think that on happiness's pie chart, we're working enough.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're right.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

We're in the machine. The machine grabs us, forces us to work for 45 years, and then spits us out, right? That's probably not the way we should be doing things, but that's the normal way to do things. And so the happiness pie chart, you better be doing something you love if you want to aspire to happy. Because if you're doing something eight hours a day you hate, I would imagine that would be really corrosive. So, yeah, my parents are Cuban. They come, you know, they wanted for me in schooling something safe. As happens a lot with refugees, immigrants, exiles. Go medicine, go law, go architecture. Would have been miserable at all of them. My father was an engineer, would have been miserable at that and chose writing, chose something creative. And the doing of that is enriching. I got married, I was single all my life. I got married five years ago to a woman who has taught me everything about both love and death in terms of. Of how to manage life in a way that feels larger, more present, less distracted and, and all of the things that I'm doing, like it. It is a monster effort. I am putting forth weekly. I'm right after this, I'm going.

[John Gabris]

It's a part time job. It's a full other job.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I'm well. But it feels so good, right? To feel better and to be reminded of how bad I physically felt, felt in my own body. That's a lonely feeling. I guess it's worse to know you're in pain, I guess, than to not know that you're in pain. But I lived not knowing the kind of pain I was in because I'd gotten used to things not working right. And so now I can't forget it. Right now I now I can't forget the kind of pain I was in because, oh, this is what it feels like to actually sleep correctly, which is really important, like getting rest.

[John Gabris]

Talk about making sure your pie chart has work on it. Don't forget we sleep one third of the our lives. So you better get good. You know, it should be around one third, but you better get good at it. You better do it.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

How did you guys decide on this as the concept for your podcast?

[John Gabris]

That's a great question.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are you looking at us and

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

you're like, I'm just looking at the two of you. Like I didn't see you sort of studying life's great mysteries after doing vials at the local Miami popular place?

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't say I was doing vials. I said I was handed a vial.

[John Gabris]

But we did the vial.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I did the vial.

[John Gabris]

We're not gonna knock you.

[Dan Le Batard]

The virtual gives it to me.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

You're gonna have to say it. I saw. I smell it on you. They can't smell it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I smell it on you anymore. So that's impressive. I have four nostrils.

[John Gabris]

I've been blowing my nose all morning.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I. I am. We.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Like.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like John was saying, like, we. We are. I think we. We lit. We lived a long time with. With grief in a way that was. Well, you. You're. You gotta get it in now. You gotta get it. Life is short because our parents died young. So it's. Our model was like, life is short. You don't have a lot of time. You don't have the time because tomorrow you may not wake up. So you. What do you want to do? You gotta do it right now. And then we didn't die.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, and then we're like. Then you start looking at the. The end of the movie and you're like, yeah, what am I gonna be doing in the third act here? I better not be like. Like some of the older people in my life who were lifelong substance and stuff. And you're like looking at your family and you're like. And then, you know, we're lucky to be in the era of information is more accessible and you know, I guess we're also unlucky in that way too. But learning about stuff that you can do to like. I'm obsessed with like neuroplasticity now, you know what I mean? Like, I was so scared of losing my faculties. I watched my dad with brain cancer, like, lose who he was as a person before he even died. And I was like, that is more important to me than almost anything. And if I live to be 80, but from 65 to 80, I'm lost all afternoon. That's gonna make me.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you'll know how I feel all day I walk around.

[John Gabris]

Why don't you walk a mile in my slippers? I mean a mile in one room, shuffling around

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

for everything we're talking about here. I've promised myself that if I get to 95, I'm going straight to the heroin addiction.

[John Gabris]

Oh, you know, I've got people. I've got people in my life. I've got people in my life who know that if I'm ever in a bed head and it's looking like we're towards the end, they're putting a fucking like heroic dose of acid in my mouth and I'm meeting God early.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was gonna say I'm showing up someone who's been around at all. You don't need to fucks with the heroin. You get it's? Much more fun other things.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Okay. I was using it because heroin addiction seemed funny on a 95 year old.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah, just cancel. But it's 95.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but train spotting, a 95 year old trait was actually like spotting trains.

[John Gabris]

Grew up on trains. This, this has been a super interesting conversation. It's so fun. Like you was like your proximity to sports. You would like jump to a conclusion about someone of like the. The sort of like masculinity and the toxic masculinity of like energy healer, blood type diet. But I do find that the proximity to sports you also learn like yeah, LeBron's in a hyperbaric chamber and he's an elite athlete in his 40s or whatever and you're like, like tell me more about hyperbaric chambers. Yeah, tell me more about TB12. What? Wait, I'll stop eating nightshades if I could play in the NFL at 42. Like talk to me about this. And so it's like I feel like that's like a double edged sword that world where you get. You get a little dose of it. Cuz there are people whose billion dollar business is their body and like learning that and like learning what those people do to take care of themselves. Like athletes now versus athletes in the 70s. You know what I mean?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah. I mean you're Lonel Messi in town last night as we taped this just at you know, three goals in a game. He's 38 years old. They've. The science has changed everything. LeBron. What LeBron James is doing at his age obviously has no precedent in the human body.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

To be the oldest player in the league in that sport where it's young people and fast twitch muscle fiber and he's. He's 41. Like it's not. It. It doesn't even compute to me that Serena Williams or Diana Taurasi or Tom Brady.

[Dan Le Batard]

Brady was 46.

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Like, yeah, like that's.

[John Gabris]

I went back.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. He's like what am I?

[Advertiser Voice]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's like I can't stay in this house with this woman.

[John Gabris]

I can't keep doing stand up. But please stop Tom Brady. I'm a New York Giants fan so I'm a big fan of yours. Stop doing comedy. You're a fucking handsome billionaire. Just go live your fucking life.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tom Brady needs every. He needs to get laughs too.

[John Gabris]

I know. Please do leave that to us.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Leave something for the rest of the day for sake. Yeah.

[Producer/Assistant]

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[Dan Le Batard]

You still like sports. You still are invigor drama of win loss. Like you you, you like your job still?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I like my job, but I've always been more interested in the sociology of sports than, you know, whatever the games are like. The idea that the storytelling is interesting enough, but just the personality types and what it takes to be better than everyone else. Like I'm all Boxing was the sport I like to write about the most because. Because you're stripped down to nothing but your courage and your vulnerability. You're heading into the closest thing to the Gladiator Coliseum that you can get and at any moment you can be embarrassed in front of the world if you put your guard down.

[John Gabris]

Like literally, figuratively. Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

The sociology is interesting to me of the the bravery of these people.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's the who's your favorite athlete that you've covered or most impactful to you?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I mean, you're going back a ways, right? So the one I've admired the most is Muhammad Ali for being on the right side of history and being just so Good with comfort in himself. I've got a story for you on him. I could tell many, but he's walking into a room filled with all sorts of people who are important, and all of the other people are bowing because they know who's walked into the room. And at this point, he's shaking and you think he might not totally have his faculties. And he leans into a friend of mine and whispers in his ear while you're not totally sure he's there, but he knows everything that's happening around him. And he just whispers to him, I'm just another N word. Like, he just whispers in his ear. My friend's like, did I. Did I hear that correctly? Did I imagine that? And obviously his whole resume is something that bucks all of history locally. The. The person that I've learned the most from is Pat Riley, because I've covered him since he's been here, and he's been always a bit of a philosopher poet and, and. And is always interested in the sociology where he calls sports the toy. Department of human affairs. Right? You can tell any story. You can tell any of the stories through sports.

[Advertiser Voice]

They're all.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

They're all here, right? Like, it doesn't have to be just the silly fun and games. There's a whole. There's all sorts of stuff here. That's.

[John Gabris]

Pat Riley was important to me because that's how we started slicking our hair back as, like, as New York kids watching the Knicks. You're like, dad, can I. And he's like, sure, let's wet your hair down. I'm like, I look cool.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was so important to me because he, he. When he came to the Knicks, it was like we. We were back in a legitimate.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, it was a heat, a good hot era, hot area.

[Dan Le Batard]

He really legitimized, you know, and it was white, quick, hot. It was like three years, you know, and he's gone and. And then you're left with Van Gundy. You know, who I love. But it was like, you know what I mean? And I.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Different style.

[Dan Le Batard]

The one who got away.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

The one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. It's like. But truly, Pat Riley is like, like you. You had him on the sidelines in Armani, you know, like running the, like the offense through Ewing. And then it's like, man, Gandhi.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah. You go from Pat Riley to somebody who looks like the Queen of Hearts.

[Dan Le Batard]

True. Great mind, genius.

[John Gabris]

Quick Muhammad Ali story from my. My dad. My dad was a six foot five, so. And he was a grip for the news. And Muhammad Ali was a guest on the sports New York's Fox 5 sports X Extra. And my dad was on a ladder when Muhammad Ali came in and he said, this white boy doesn't need a ladder. Get down here. And he got down, he saw how tall my dad was and went. And like, playfully. My dad's like, I got slap boxed by Muhammad Ali. Was like, claim to fame.

[Dan Le Batard]

That picture. If anyone took that. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

My dad was like, it was the coolest thing that's ever happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. He's generationally. It's like, there's like Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan.

[Producer/Assistant]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's kind of it.

[Advertiser Voice]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like Wayne Gretzky.

[John Gabris]

No, no one. No one is impactful as for their sports and culture.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. And you found. And no one in the modern sports world, like, who are you?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I feel like I gave you a bad answer, though. No, yours was great, but because I wasn't covering Ali's fights. Right. I'm not going to Zaire. I'm not. I'm catching the tail end of, you know, he's. He's losing to Trevor Berbick in the Bahamas when I'm. I'm covering him. So it's not, it's not the best of answers, but I've become very close friends with Ricky Williams over the many years that he was here.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And he's a special person.

[Dan Le Batard]

Amazing guy.

[John Gabris]

My. My cousin has an autographed Miami Dolphins helmet that says smoke weed every day. Ricky Williams. That's two potheads.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is he doing? Isn't he doing some amazing work right now?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

He's doing a lot of interesting things. Right. He's into computer coding. He knows astrolog. He does a lot of. A lot of the stuff that you were asking me about. He does a lot of natural healing type of stuff. He's. He physically administers Ayurveda and Reiki. He has done all of those things. But he's been on a search like he never. He was always an artist sort of in the army. Right. Couldn't really fit right within its rules and stuff. And so he has chosen a path post football that is more invigorating and spiritually fulfilling than. Than what sports was.

[Dan Le Batard]

But man, what a running back.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[John Gabris]

Beast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he's awesome. Anyway, I'd like to plug.

[John Gabris]

You can see me and Adam.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's going on? What do you got? Coming up?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

We have a daily podcast that's three hours a day. It's Lebatard and Friends Network. It's on the DraftKings network. It's YouTube. It's a fun show. It's a light show. If people like some range in sports that has range in comedy. And South Beach Sessions is a long interview series that I do with an assortment of people. I just came back from the Netflix is a joke festival. So we had a bunch of good people on. Oh, fun will be on with us over the next three months.

[Producer/Assistant]

Amazing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Levitard, you're the best, dude.

[John Gabris]

Thank you so much for doing this. You, like legitimized our podcast.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

This is such a fun treat.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you're such.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Oh, no, what have I done?

[John Gabris]

You co signed us.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're running for president.

[John Gabris]

We're showing only clips from this. Our friend Dan says, Wait, wait, don't call me your friend. And bl.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, this has been like, I'm a huge fan and, and it. Just to get to talk sports a little has been amazing. And then, and then to hear just how it. I don't know. Your story is so inspiring.

[John Gabris]

Invite us to your 95th birthday. Yeah, I'm going to shoot smack.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because it.

[Producer/Assistant]

It is.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like you never stop learning about yourself.

[John Gabris]

If you're lucky, if you're trying. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You never stop learning about yourself and you are like still writing your book, you know, and. And that's. That's amazing.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Thank you for that. One of the things that I have been trying to unlock when you say the writing of the book, because I've gotten far away from writing as I've dabbled in the vanities of the cotton candies. One of the reasons that I'm doing all of the work I'm doing is to make writing something that is a freer process for me because I. I transitioned out of it because it was lonely, it wasn't communal, there wasn't shared laughter. I wanted something. Something that was shared and less lonely. And it's been hard to turn the muscle back on to write the book because I'd like to write about some of this stuff in a way that reaches specifically men who can be emotionally constipated about this stuff because there's been some real deep spiritual learning in things. I would have never. I'm telling you, anyone listening to this who's like, what this guy with his nonsense? I was that guy. Like, I would have been. Been that guy before I got knocked over. Just knocked over by something.

[Dan Le Batard]

How. What we doing Matcha?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

No, I'm not doing.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so you're still that guy.

[Advertiser Voice]

You're still that guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

You still that guy.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Come on, D. I'm not.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're that guy you just gave me. When I said matcha, you went. Nah,

[John Gabris]

I mean, I'm open minded.

[Advertiser Voice]

Open minded.

[John Gabris]

Give me a couple matcha.

[Dan Le Batard]

This guy, he's.

[John Gabris]

He's Cuban.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

You can't. I don't even know what. I know what matcha is. Like, I know I can order, but I don't know what it is. I don't want to know what its properties are. I just know not to order it. Just.

[John Gabris]

Just a cor.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I still need my fuel.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to go. We got to go to Versailles and

[John Gabris]

order us some cafecito. Like we're allowed to talk to her like that at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

An's like order yourself.

[John Gabris]

You buy me a coffee.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Toxic masculinity over. Look at me.

[John Gabris]

Do I not look like I might?

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at me.

[John Gabris]

Who does this?

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

That's a human resources violation.

[John Gabris]

Let's go around the capacito. That's a sweetheart. Capacitos.

[Dan Le Batard]

You've read his book.

[John Gabris]

Human resources violation, Lower back tattoo, man. Three hours every day. Dan, that sounds like the fucking dream.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah, well, that's. That, that helps, right? When you're surrounded by people you like, you're spending a lot of time laughing and you're doing stimulating things, curious things that fulfill your curiosity.

[John Gabris]

That's.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's exactly.

[John Gabris]

You asked us earlier why how we end up hosting a show like this. It's literally that it's like curiosity, our open mindedness and the sort of like you're like your desire to reach those people. That's us. But for like people 10 years younger of like. Yeah, you actually should try taking care. We're party animals. But you can do it slightly more responsible and get to do another 10 years of partying than you normally.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And on the acronym front, one of the things MDMA that I just started with is stuff that's meant to alter your brain chemistry that you can do with physicians, scientists. Like I've. I've done, for example, ketamine. Yeah, we have.

[Dan Le Batard]

So have we.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

And. But done it. Yeah, but not. I probably did it differently than the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

I guarantee we had a ketamine.

[John Gabris]

We had a ketamine therapist on our podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

We did it the same way.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Did it the same way.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right. I've done it the other way too.

[Advertiser Voice]

Very recently.

[Dan Le Batard]

Very recently. But yeah, I assumed it was in

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

an alley behind a bodega. No, no, no, no.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at me, man.

[John Gabris]

Well, I'll tell you what, Blue without, Without getting too much, without giving away too much information. I don't I think that vial might have been.

[Dan Le Batard]

Been. I think so.

[John Gabris]

I don't know what it was.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't ask.

[John Gabris]

We just did it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just did it.

[John Gabris]

But yeah, I've done guided, like, psilocybin therapy with a therap, with a, with a healer therapist, and was huge for me. It unlocked a lot of stuff and I learned a lot about myself and it's a constant journey. Like, I, I, I've always been curious about the world and it's fun to, like, turn that curiosity inwards and be like, I gotta learn more about this, this car. I've been putting some serious miles on

[Dan Le Batard]

this whole time, and I like to take four Xanaxes before I go to the dentist. And then they put that gas on

[John Gabris]

me and I, I took forest yalis by accident, I thought. And I was rock hard and my

[Dan Le Batard]

whole root canal dentist was not happy.

[John Gabris]

No. Like, again, I ordered the happy ending from my dentist.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

I can't sign off on the drug addict and the boner here. I gotta go.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, Boner, what's traffic looking like?

[John Gabris]

Ah, the Yankees suck again.

[Dan Le Batard]

I asked for traffic, Boner.

[John Gabris]

I'm stuck.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm high.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

It's a good show.

[John Gabris]

Do a good show. We got another spin off podcast we're doing.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Dan, thank you so much, buddy.

[John Gabris]

You're the best. That was so much fun. Wow, that was a good one.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was the best. I like. It's so great when someone comes in and they're, it's like the room comes up.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Well, like, he's obviously a broadcasting professional. He would be a great guest on literally any podcast. But we happen to catch him at a time where he's like, doing the work on himself and stuff. So he ends up being absolutely the perfect guest for our podcast. Unbeknownst to us, we sit down with him and he's got, like, true interesting information.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's working through trauma and he's at the same time doing what we do in a way. But, like, I rarely leave one of

[John Gabris]

our episodes that this inspired me too.

[Dan Le Batard]

I completely, I was serious with him. I find his and the fact that he's doing all this post 50, right. So he lived his entire life and then was like, you know what? I'm not happy. And instead of freaking out, pacifying and

[John Gabris]

just closing off and being unhappy. Miserable mid-50s guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's a beautiful story. Oh, I wonder who has the rights.

[John Gabris]

We just buy the rights to his

[Dan Le Batard]

life by Dan Lebatard's rights. Or at least stug.

[John Gabris]

I got stug.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, you got stug.

[John Gabris]

What a treat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stay Alive I knew I was gonna be late in Miami because I'm all up.

[John Gabris]

You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Po, a Smartless Media production in association with Sirius xm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music, Associate producer

[John Gabris]

and video producer is Matty McCann, social media producer Tommy Galgano, assistant engineer Kyle McGraw.

[Dan Le Batard]

Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[John Gabris]

Executive producers are John Gabris.

[Adam Pally]

Ooh me.

[John Gabris]

Adam Pally. Ooh you Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminsky. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast. It actually helps.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just so everyone knows we do not have a discord.

[John Gabris]

Don't reach out to us.

[Dan Le Batard]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands. I feel like similarly like I'll say things in with like broken Italian.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it's just from being growing up in Jersey.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You're like oh, gabagool is Yiddish.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like total or like people are are shocked when I when I like you know, say pursuit or something.

[John Gabris]

They're like, yeah, you got to lose that last. Galama G Sut Mozzarell Morell Morell Barat Barat Obama. Barata Obama. My Italian my super offensive Italian character. Why didn't you get on SNL with Barata Obama and and Jack Black? But actually he's black Jack Black.

[Advertiser Voice]

Face.

[Guest (Dan Le Batard)]

Smart blessing.

[Advertiser Voice]

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