Kevin and Julie make a confession: in almost 140 episodes, they've never once tackled Primary — mostly because it intimidates them. So they brought in someone who lives it. Whitney Boyer is a former fourth-grade teacher, a current Primary president, a mom of four, and the host of the new "Come and Do" podcast for Primary teachers. Whitney flips the whole idea of Primary on its head: instead of asking "how do I entertain these kids for 30 minutes?", she asks "what will my children DO to learn?" She makes the case that Primary kids are the biggest group of investigators in the entire Church — and that the same student-led learning we champion for teenagers belongs in the Primary room, where kids shift from passive consumers to active creators.

From there it gets wonderfully practical. Whitney walks through drawing, role play, and imaginative play to turn abstract gospel principles into concrete action (wait until you hear how a child draws "gentleness"), a simple three-step lesson plan — hook, teach the story and doctrine, then apply and practice — and her two go-to classroom-management tools: clear, positive expectations paired with consistent follow-through, and specific positive praise that invites the Spirit. She and Julie also dig into including neurodivergent kids, partnering with parents, and getting children into the actual language of the scriptures. Best part? Almost none of it is exclusive to Primary — it'll make you a better teacher of youth, adults, and your own family. If Primary has ever scared you, this one's for you.

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