Alex Moffat

Summary

Podcast Summary: Thanks Dad with Ego Nwodim – Episode: Alex Moffat

Date: January 13, 2026
Host: Ego Nwodim
Guest: Alex Moffat

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Thanks Dad” features a lively, candid, and often hilarious conversation between Ego Nwodim and fellow comedian/actor Alex Moffat (formerly of SNL, The Bear, Bad Monkey). The pair reminisce about their friendship, the unique pressures and pleasures of showbiz, parenting, loss, and the quirks of adult life—from awkward open relationships to cruise ship gigs. Throughout, they keep the energy intimate and irreverent, offering insights into vulnerability, family, and what it means to be “dragged through life” by a partner who shows up. The episode weaves heart, humor, and real talk into Ego’s signature format: gratitude, storytelling, and listener advice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter, Gratitude & "Home Hangs" Petition

[03:27–08:57]

• Ego reflects on the “lost art” of at-home socializing (“home hangs”) and how cherished those casual gatherings are, linking fond childhood memories and the wish to revive low-key, cost-free get-togethers.
• Nostalgic about growing up with family piled into one house during the holidays, Ego petitions to “bring back home hangs.”
• “Let’s take advantage [of our homes]. …Some of my most cherished memories from the last 12 months is just being in my home or a friend’s home, doing absolutely nothing.” – Ego (06:09)

2. Alex Moffat Joins – SNL Memories, Bios, and Body Creams

[08:57–14:22]

• The two joke about Alex’s lateness due to a “steam and cream” routine (a playful bit recurring throughout), and Ego needles him about looking “rich.”
• Alex’s “alternate bio” is read aloud, playfully referencing his SNL run, stage credits, and “5’10”, 175 pounds of pure Dada.”
• Discussion of whether Alex regrets any SNL sketches (“I can't think of one...I'll stand by [all of them].” – Alex, 14:18)

3. Advice from Ego’s Mom: “The Discomfort Lies with Them”

[14:52–17:02]

• Alex shares that in the Moffat household, Ego’s sage wisdom is often quoted: “Oh, the discomfort lies with them.” (15:12, Alex)
• The maxim—originally from Ego’s mom Okie—becomes a touchstone for talking about boundaries.

4. Friendship Origin Story: The Moffat-Hattan

[17:36–22:25]

• Reminiscing about Ego’s first home hang at Alex’s, where he introduced her to a Moffat-made spin on a Manhattan (“I put a little of the Luxardo cherry juice in there…just a hint of some cherry syrup.” – Alex, 18:05).
• Both admit they barely knew anyone at SNL when starting; Alex’s early kindness left a mark on Ego.

5. Fatherhood: Late Starts & Life-Changing Love

[22:44–26:45]

• Alex discusses becoming a father to two kids (four months and almost five years), “the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me by five million miles.”
• On delayed fatherhood: not top-of-mind for years due to career demands and instability, but “all in” once the time was right.
• “I adore this child with every fiber of my being. But my daughter… getting to spend every day with that girl… it’s truly like magic.” – Alex (24:13, 23:53)
• Conversation veers into the stress/coping of scheduled intimacy and the realities of conception.

6. Career Struggles & Comparisons

[32:10–35:17]

• Ego asks about the “peer pressure” of watching friends succeed in traditional careers while Alex languished financially and professionally in his late twenties.
• He admits envy of success, not of having kids: “I had to wait a very long time to feel [success].” – Alex (33:24)
• Never considered quitting: “There were always teeny little breadcrumbs along the way.” (34:52)

7. Cruise Ship Anecdotes & Open Relationships

[36:30–40:47]

• Alex shares stories from performing on cruise ships with Cecily Strong (“boat life…you end up going to the crew bar and buying a 75-cent bottle of wine.” – 36:19).
• Confesses to a (mostly) open relationship during that time and the challenges/boundaries it involved; reflects on the difficulty and consequences.

8. On Relationships: Give-and-Take, Initiative, and Gratitude

[44:21–51:05]

• Ego recalls telling Alex she once felt like she had to “drag” a former partner through life, to which Alex, in turn, attributes his wife, Caroline, “dragging him” through his.
• The importance of mutual support and meeting your partner’s needs—Alex highlights Caroline’s initiative ("You do what you say you’re going to do"), citing her simple act of fixing an old trunk as a sign of her vitality and capability.
• “She has dragged me through life. …She saved my life in so many ways.” – Alex (47:33)
• Laughter about “fluffy vagina” as an inside joke between Alex and his wife.

9. Loss & Perspective: Parental Deaths and Impermanence

[54:26–56:45]

• Ego and Alex candidly discuss the deaths of Alex’s parents (his mom at 24, dad at 29) and the effect on his worldview.
• “[It] has given me the knowledge that everything is impermanent…so I truly think I enjoy these moments in life.” (55:29)
• “If you can come through grief…when you come out the other side, that is one thing that it gives you.” (56:48)

10. Ego's Upbringing: Single Mom, No Dad

[57:56–61:02]

• Ego reveals she was raised by her mom after her parents divorced when she was two; her dad passed recently, but they did not have a relationship.
• The conversation touches on how these absences shaped her, discipline ("perfect attendance") and self-sufficiency.
• “We all know what it seems like to have a dad…” – Ego (60:14)

11. Adulting, Text Anxiety, and the SNL Effect

[63:00–65:33]

• The duo bemoan the stress of answering emails/texts and “too many inboxes,” agreeing it’s become unmanageable—possibly worsened by SNL’s pace and people.
• “It would be a two-day blockout just to answer everything.” – Ego (64:30)

12. Parenting Approaches & Values

[68:51–71:00]

• Alex wants to instill individuality and kindness in his kids: “To reach the maximum version of themselves. …Who do YOU want to be?”
• Reminiscing on his own “odd duck” of a father as inspiring.
• Discussion on not giving his children smartphones; desire to preserve innocence and encourage real connections.

13. Balancing Each Other as Partners

[71:28–72:46]

• What does Alex provide for Caroline? “A safe place in the world… we both think of each other as each other’s home. …We laugh our asses off every day.”
• Emphasis is placed on laughter and feeling “made for” each other, as well as providing stability, fun, and safety.

14. Listener Question: Betrayal by a Friend

[80:02–83:38]

• Listener asks: “I saw my friend at Target holding hands with my ex. Now they’re trying to text me, what should I do?”
• Ego’s immediate reaction: “Block.”
• Alex offers a softer approach: “You could also just engage and be like, ‘Yeah, I saw that. That did hurt my feelings, and I’m going to take space.’”
• Ego’s principle: “The discomfort lies with [the friend].” (83:02)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It is truly like magic. …Getting to spend every day with that girl is truly, truly like magic.” – Alex, on fatherhood (24:41)
• “The discomfort lies with them.” – Ego (15:12), also referenced by Alex as a lesson from Ego and her mother
• “Life happens. And people move different places... but we just had less responsibility.” – Ego (67:48), on growing apart from childhood cousins
• “I owe a big thank you…to Caroline, because she has, in a way, dragged me through life. She truly…saved my life in so many ways.” – Alex (47:33)
• “If you can come through grief and grieve and grieve…when you come out the other side, that is one thing that it gives you.” – Alex (56:48)
• “Pull the goalie.” – Alex (25:00, joking about conception)
• “What do I provide for Caroline? A very safe place in the world. …We both think of each other as each other’s home.” – Alex (71:28)
• “The reality is, just because you have reached out to me in written form does not mean I can get back to you.” – Ego (64:31)
• “The discomfort lies with the best friend.” – Alex (83:22, returning full-circle to Ego’s mom’s wisdom)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:27: Ego petitions for the return of “home hangs”
• 10:54: Alex’s satirical, over-the-top alternate bio is read
• 14:52: “The discomfort lies with them”—key advice repeated
• 22:44–24:41: Alex opens up about fatherhood and late-life parenting
• 35:17: Early career anecdotes and cruise ship days
• 47:33: Gratitude to Caroline, “she has dragged me through life”
• 54:26: Discussion of losing both parents in his twenties
• 64:31: The tyranny of digital communication/inboxes
• 80:02: Listener advice segment: betrayal by a friend, “block or talk?”

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Tone & Style

• The episode is deeply conversational, candid, and self-deprecating, layered with SNL-style fast banter.
• Both Ego and Alex move nimbly from humor to heartfelt, often poking fun at themselves and each other, then pivoting into vulnerable disclosures.
• Listeners will find it rich in real-life wisdom (“the discomfort lies with them,” “be yourself”), behind-the-scenes anecdotes, and warm partnership.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Show...

“Thanks Dad” with Alex Moffat is an ideal blend of comedy, life-wisdom, and genuine friendship. You’ll hear about the anxieties of career struggle, the joy and exhaustion of parenting, the weirdness of open relationships and cruise ship gigs, and learn why it’s important to show up for others—and yourself. Whether you’re looking for belly laughs or advice on what to do when your best friend holds hands with your ex in Target, this episode delivers.

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Transcript

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[Alex Moffat]

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[Ego Wodem]

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[Ego Wodem]

Soon after I was in their Kohler

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Wisconsin foundry watching molten iron, poured, enamel

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applied by hand and the beautiful finished pieces ready to ship. Since 1883, Kohler cast iron has been crafted by incredible artisans and seeing it firsthand gave me a whole new appreciation for their craftsmanship. Now I am proud to lend my

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[Ego Wodem]

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[Ego Wodem]

Cast Iron Ambassador, I say long live Cast Iron. Wow. What a time to be alive, huh? Isn't it cool how that can be said at any given moment and it works? What a time to be alive. What does it even mean? It's up to you. I want to say thanks to my Uber driver today. That individual drove as though we had somewhere to be and for that I am incredibly appreciative. Ever been in an Uber and you're like, I guess we're just going for a friendly ride. We're just going for a friendly ride. I don't love those versions of a ride, but I get it. I imagine if I was driving all day too, at some point I'd be like in cruise control. Quite literally our autopilot. Anyway, whatever. Doesn't matter. Neither here nor there. Just want to give a shout out to this gorgeous, gorgeous person. And I mean gorgeous. Internally drove as though we had somewhere to be. And we did. And I feel an immense amount of gratitude for him and for the people in New York City who are delivering food via Uber eats, DoorDash, Grubhub, etc. Genuinely heroes to me. Thank you. I thanks to you all. Sincerely, what a job. And honestly you are seeing to it that we are all eating because I would not be eating if it weren't for you. So I'm nourished and it is thanks to you. So thanks to you. I've been thinking a lot though, because I don't like to leave my home. It turns out I found out I want to bring back apartment and home hangs this year. We don't do enough of that. We're always out to eat. Mind you, I love eating out. Love Being at home. Love eating out, but I really enjoy a home hang. Doesn't have to be my home. In fact, rather it not be, which is not true. It depends. It depends on who you are. But I feel like we should bring back home hangs. So simple. Like just a, hey, I'm gonna knock on the neighbor's door and hopefully you know them and just like, hey, we're gonna hang out together. What happened? Where did. What a lost art. The few times I've had home hangs in the last 12 months, I have thoroughly enjoyed myself. They're some of my most cherished memories from the last 12 months is just being in my home or a friend's home doing absolutely nothing. No agenda. Not even like, oh, we're gonna watch a movie or we're doing game night. Those are great too. But just like, I'm coming over and I'm in my pajamas and we're just sitting around talking, shooting the shit. I love it. Why don't we do more of it? Maybe people are doing this, but I'm like, bring it back. We don't have to be at an establishment. We don't always have to be in an establishment. I love you. I love time with you. And it doesn't have to cost anything. We're already paying rent and mortgages. Let's take advantage of that. Let's make it work for us. And so I want to bring those back. That's my petition for this year for myself and my community and also for you is bring back home hangs. Because some of my also most cherished memories from childhood is like 15 cousins coming over for the holidays and being piled into my home. So people would be like, what are you doing for the holidays? No one was staying at a hotel. Hadn't heard of those. It was like, everyone's staying here. This is a three bedroom home and there will be 20 people staying here for the. For three nights. I love that. I love that. I miss that. Some people are probably still doing that and it's. It's special, I feel. Anyway, bring back home hangs. We don't have to go to a restaurant though. I would love to, but I'd love to kick it with you at your house. It's free. I don't have to dress up. I don't have to wear shoes. I don't have to wear shoes. When have you ever seen a sign on a home door that says, no shoes, no shirt, no service? Never. Never seen. I haven't seen it. You can have your shoes off in my house. In fact, it's preferred, by the way, a thing I wasn't even worried about before I moved to New York because, you know, I lived in LA before and people could wear their shoes in my home. And now it's like, shoes off at the door. And recently my physical therapist was like, I think it's so weird that people let people walk around their homes with shoes on. And I had to tell her, I used to be one of those people, but now I get it, and I wouldn't dare now. But it's weird because every once in a while I do have that rule. But I'll like, today I forgot my headphones in the apartment. I had my shoes on and I was like, I don't feel like taking the shoes off. So I was tiptoeing with my dirty shoes around my apartment as though that makes a difference. But in my mind it does. It does. Tiptoeing. There's still something about it that is acknowledging that this is gross in a way. And somehow I think that, like, cleans the germs up. Just the acknowledgement that this is nasty. I shouldn't be doing it. I walk on my toes and now there are less germs because I've thought about it. Doesn't work that way, but I wish it did. Anyway, my next guest is someone I know and I love and who. The first time we ever hung out in a meaningful way was at his apartment. We with his wife. No, it wasn't anything freaky. Get your mind out of the damn gutter. It was wholesome and he made me a cocktail, and I'm going to talk to him about it. I'll see if he remembers. Anyway, keep watching. It's going to get juicy Couture. Oh, my gosh. Mothman. What's the first thing I said to you? Besides, you were late when you were.

[Alex Moffat]

You didn't even say that.

[Ego Wodem]

I didn't. I thought I screwed. Screamed it. Not when I saw you from the

[Alex Moffat]

mirror, which, by the way, I. That's. That's. Look, my. My driver got lost.

[Ego Wodem]

What's up with driver?

[Alex Moffat]

I had a great driver. It's totally on me.

[Ego Wodem]

It's on you because you walked from the gym.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Where you were in the sauna. Do you not want this?

[Alex Moffat]

You don't want the public to happen. No steam.

[Ego Wodem]

Because you said steam and cream, which sounds sexual, but it was.

[Alex Moffat]

It's not. It's not. It's actual body steam for, you know, as long as your body will allow. And then, you know, once your face is a Little bit dry. You put their. Their luscious cream on your face. Steam.

[Ego Wodem]

Where do you go? You don't have to say. You don't have to say because if they're not paying you for an endorsement.

[Alex Moffat]

They're not.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, okay. Then we won't say, okay, great. Well, because you look great, and you look. The other thing I said to you

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when you came in is, oh, did I look rich? Yeah, that's right. You did.

[Ego Wodem]

You look wealthy.

[Alex Moffat]

Do you feel rich right now? I do. With you saying it over and over again, I feel like a million bucks.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, you look like a million bucks. And then I was like, who dressed you? Which was rude. But then he dressed himself. Who needs a stylist when you're Alex fucking Moffat?

[Alex Moffat]

Exactly. If anything, it's a nice compliment. Yeah, it's not rude.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

You look frigging amazing. Thank you so much, as always.

[Ego Wodem]

No, thank you. No.

[Alex Moffat]

Is someone dressing you?

[Ego Wodem]

No, I dressed me today.

[Alex Moffat]

Get out of here.

[Ego Wodem]

I dressed me. I won't get. If I got out of here, we wouldn't have a podcast or we would.

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I would sit here staring down the barrel for an hour, looking rich as Frick.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, as Frick. Because this is a. This is a family podcast.

[Alex Moffat]

Thank you.

[Ego Wodem]

I should do an intro because that is rude that I have an intro

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to you, because A little bit.

[Ego Wodem]

So this is the intro we have. I do need to read it because I feel I don't know this man. I've worked with this man, but I feel I don't know him.

[Alex Moffat]

Where is this going?

[Ego Wodem]

My next guest. I've been talking to him for a little bit now. Your next guest, an actor. He's. My next guest is chiming in, and you're allowed. I want you to chime in on this bio, which intro. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't. No spoilers. I'm gonna read this one. No spoilers.

[Alex Moffat]

No, never.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. My next guest is an actor, comedian, and writer. Do you like how I keep checking in with him? You know him from Saturday Night Live, The Bear and Bad Monkey. It's Alex Moffat. But Alex Moffat sent a different bio that he would like, read.

[Alex Moffat]

Why are you assuming that I wrote?

[Ego Wodem]

Because the email I received minutes ago said Alex sent another bio. In fact, I'm gonna.

[Alex Moffat]

Look, somebody wrote it. I'm not saying I wrote it.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, Someone wrote it. But this is what I got. An email that says, alex asked me to let you know he's running 15 minutes late because you were steaming creaming. Did you feel like you could have Left the steam room a little earlier.

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, understood. And then second, I love you. Second. Then it says, alex also asked me to send along this bio instead. And then this person said, I told him it's too long, but I'm passing along for your viewing pleasure. Yeah, because that's my job. Right. Anyway, this is the bio that someone sent over for Alex Moffat. I'm gonna read it. A latter day Errol Flynn, Alex Moffatt, the mof dog is a long winded son of a with blue eyes and a fat ass. We can confirm the blue eyes, fat ass. Hopefully they'll. You'll keep recording when he exits and I'll let the audience determine. Again, someone wrote this. Father, husband, son, brother, uncle, Actor, comedian, Hoofer. Hoofer. Not Hooper. Hoofer Baller and Zaddy. Best known for five amazing seasons as a main cast member on Saturday Night Live and one that was sort of meh. He can be seen in many films and shows like the Bear and Bad Monkey as a master thespian, the Moff Dawg. Multiple W's. In fact, five. Made his Off Broadway debut in Big Gay Jamboree, his Broadway debut in the Cottage, and will soon start rehearsals for the Off Broadway premiere of Bigfoot the musical. He's 5, 10, 175 pounds of pure Dada. Are you willing to shave?

[Alex Moffat]

Always.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. That's the bio someone sent over.

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Cool.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay, that's good. Thank you for that.

[Ego Wodem]

Don't thank me. Thank whoever wrote it.

[Alex Moffat]

That's really good. I assume you did, so thank you.

[Ego Wodem]

I would never have said that you had a meh season on snl.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm just saying collectively. I mean, if I was on there for six, six years, I got to assume if you total up the episodes where I sort of blew chunks, it's gonna add up to one full season.

[Ego Wodem]

Can I ask, did you ever have a sketch or an update go on that you were part of the creative process on? Meaning, like wrote it, conceptualized it? That's a lie.

[Alex Moffat]

Go ahead. Go ahead.

[Ego Wodem]

That you. That made it to air? That you're like, I wish this never saw the light of day.

[Alex Moffat]

That I wish had never saw the light.

[Ego Wodem]

Honestly. Don't be PC. We haven't been PC.

[Alex Moffat]

No, this isn't PC. Well, I. I just didn't have a great bad batting average as far as, like, getting things that came out of my brain to get on air. You know what I mean? So the ones that actually went the distance, I actually, I can't. I can't think of one off the bat where I'm like, I wish that had never come out.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. So I think. I think every. Every one. I'll. I'll stand by.

[Ego Wodem]

I don't know. That's giving good seasons. That's giving good. That's giving excellence to me. Because I feel like we all have things that are like, I wish. Yeah, I would have done this differently.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure. Oh, that doesn't necessarily mean that I was terrific in every single thing that I was in that I didn't create myself.

[Ego Wodem]

Fair enough. You've got good perspective.

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I try.

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You do you.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm so happy to see you.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm so happy to see.

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You know, when I think of good perspective, truly, I think of you. I think of you often, and I think of you as somebody who has amazing perspective.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you, Mothman.

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My. You are quoted in the Moffat house often, particularly one like the. This quote. You will probably. Hopefully it's something you say all the time, but one time you said to me, oh, the discomfort lies with them.

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Oh, yes.

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And I thought, wow, that's powerful.

[Ego Wodem]

From my mom. From the mind of my mother.

[Alex Moffat]

What's your mom's name?

[Ego Wodem]

My mom's name is Okie.

[Alex Moffat]

Okie?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Okie Dokie.

[Ego Wodem]

I don't. But behind her back, I do.

[Alex Moffat]

Okie Doke.

[Ego Wodem]

I call her Okie Doke behind her back, but. Or Oaks behind her back, but. Yeah. It's a good piece of advice because sometimes you have to have an uncomfortable conversation or. There's a lot of things that make me uncomfortable, believe it or not. But I'll be like, I don't really want to broach that subject. But then it's like, I do need to address this thing that you said or did that did not make me feel good. And honestly, you are the perpetrator. And so I actually have to pass that back to you. It is uncomfortable, but it's actually yours.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. And I. When's the last time you've said that? Besides just now that you remember when

[Alex Moffat]

was the last time or what happened and.

[Ego Wodem]

Or what.

[Alex Moffat]

Great question. And I should have come prepared.

[Ego Wodem]

No, listen, when I go on podcasts, we've been talking, but when I go on podcast, too, and people ask me questions like that, I'm like, I want to answer this honestly and truthfully, but now I'm having to transport my brain to a place it's not. So we will wait. We'll put. We'll put hold music on while you think of the answer.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, yeah, I guess you can just edit this.

[Ego Wodem]

I don't I will request that they don't. Lately, I've been asking people questions that

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are the full 20 minutes that it takes for me to think, to remember.

[Ego Wodem]

Because this is a dad. A dada.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm a dada.

[Ego Wodem]

And so he's got other things.

[Alex Moffat]

I got. I got a.

[Ego Wodem]

Or. It doesn't have to be the last time you. Or.

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Or a time. Let's see. The. The discomfort lies with them. I mean, the example that comes to mind. I don't. I don't feel like saying it's not my story to tell, but I've said it to my wife various times.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

And she says it to me. We both quote you. When was. When was a time. God, this could be great radio.

[Ego Wodem]

But, you know, it could be. But then it's. You can't remember.

[Alex Moffat]

I can't remember a thing. Do you know why? Because I flew on Sunday and I landed with a head like a lead balloon.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And it has stayed like that.

[Ego Wodem]

And you boil. And you just boiled your brains in the steam room and cream.

[Alex Moffat]

Boiled my whole brain.

[Ego Wodem]

Hopefully we'll be able to talk about something today. And if we.

[Alex Moffat]

I don't know that we will.

[Ego Wodem]

No, I think we will.

[Alex Moffat]

We're off to a plan start.

[Ego Wodem]

Do you remember and. Okay. Do you remember this?

[Alex Moffat]

Tell me.

[Ego Wodem]

Having me over to your apartment. I think I talk about this too often and almost every time I see you.

[Alex Moffat]

Really?

[Ego Wodem]

But yeah. Having me over to your apartment. My first season of SNL for a mof. Moffatten.

[Alex Moffat]

Moffatten.

[Ego Wodem]

Moffatten. I never say it right and I always need you there to. There's no wrong way, but it's a Moffat. Manhattan.

[Alex Moffat]

It's a Manhattan. Made by a. Moffat.

[Ego Wodem]

Made by a. Moffat. What's the twist, though? Is there any twist to your recipe here?

[Alex Moffat]

I put a little bit of. I bloop some of the Luxardo cherry juice in there, so it's just got a hint of some cherry syrup.

[Ego Wodem]

I love it. It's got a little hint of. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

That's gonna. Somebody's like walking their dog, listening to the podcast and they're like, why do you do that? Sm.

[Ego Wodem]

The sound equivalent of the word moist,

[Alex Moffat]

which is a great word.

[Ego Wodem]

What's your favorite word?

[Alex Moffat]

Moist.

[Ego Wodem]

You're lying.

[Alex Moffat]

Dewey.

[Ego Wodem]

Dewey. Oh, it's a good one. It's also a name.

[Alex Moffat]

Dewey.

[Ego Wodem]

Dewey.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. Dewey defeats Truman.

[Ego Wodem]

Dewey defeats Truman. What does it mean?

[Alex Moffat]

What does that mean?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Is that a TV show or movie? I'm sorry, I've never. I've literally never seen it.

[Alex Moffat]

You've never Seen Dewey defeats Truman.

[Ego Wodem]

I haven't seen anything. And it's a thing. Honestly, I'm embarrassed by it. I don't know.

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[Alex Moffat]

I'm the same way. And by the way, it's not a TV show. There's a famous photograph of Harry Truman holding up a newspaper. He. It was, it was assumed that he was gonna lose in a landslide.

[Ego Wodem]

Who is Harry Truman? I'm kidding. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

No, I'm kidding. He had a podcast in the 40s, so he was supposed to lose to this guy Dewey. And everybody just called it in Dewey's favor. And there's an even to the point where newspapers printed headlines that said Dewey defeats Truman. So there's a picture of Harry S. Truman, AKA the buck stops here.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Who holding up a newspaper that says Dewey defeats Truman. As he's kind of smirking like, well, that didn't happen.

[Ego Wodem]

Well, he printed all these fucking newspapers.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ego Wodem]

This. Wipe your asses with that.

[Alex Moffat]

Exactly.

[Ego Wodem]

Wipe your asses.

[Alex Moffat]

Because I won.

[Ego Wodem]

Truman defeats Dewey.

[Alex Moffat]

Truman defeats Dewey. So Dewey, that's what Dewey defeats Truman is. But by the way, I'm with you. I. With so many people, they're like, you haven't seen Dewey defeats Truman or whatever the TV show is, or whatever. I'm way behind.

[Ego Wodem]

There's okay things to see and know in this life.

[Alex Moffat]

Are there?

[Ego Wodem]

And my brain is this big.

[Alex Moffat]

Same here.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. My brain's that big. I can't know.

[Alex Moffat]

You got a good brain.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you. Well, I do what I can. I think. I posture as though it's a good brain.

[Alex Moffat]

As do I. As we all must.

[Ego Wodem]

Yes. I pretend it's a good brain. Sometimes I'll be like, oh, yeah, Dewey defeats Truman. I'm like, oh, yeah, good. I know that. But I'm glad to ask because maybe there's people listening and watching.

[Alex Moffat]

There are plenty of people who watch that don't know. Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And it's okay. I actually think it's a sign of confidence to be like, oh, I don't know. Genuinely love that. When people go, I don't know what that is.

[Alex Moffat]

I've never done that.

[Ego Wodem]

You've never.

[Alex Moffat]

I always just pretend like I. Yes. No, I agree. I think it's a. It's a good sign. You can just be like, I've never heard of that.

[Ego Wodem]

Yes.

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. I love it. I love it. Mothman. You're a, you're a two time father.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. Two time father.

[Ego Wodem]

Two time father?

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Not a two timing father?

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

A two time father.

[Alex Moffat]

Correct.

[Ego Wodem]

Meaning you have two children.

[Alex Moffat]

I do.

[Ego Wodem]

Can you believe that? I cannot. I met zero children.

[Alex Moffat]

You what?

[Ego Wodem]

Met you when you had zero children.

[Alex Moffat]

That's true.

[Ego Wodem]

And then you went and created.

[Alex Moffat]

At the time, I had negative children. I've gone. No, I'm kidding.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. Because I was gonna say, what is negative children? Like a tragedy.

[Alex Moffat]

No, no, no, no, no. That. That could be misinterpreted. No, you're right. I had zero.

[Ego Wodem]

Don't cut that out.

[Alex Moffat]

No, cut nothing out.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Even when I couldn't think of a single story to tell.

[Ego Wodem]

But sometimes you don't want to. I asked. It was. That is. That is such a personal thing. Like the discomfort belongs to them. And so, like, you know, when I ask you to tell me a time you've used it, you might have had something top of mind. But also maybe the things that do come to mind are things you don't want to share.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

You remain a little, you know, elusive as a person. You didn't have social media for a while.

[Alex Moffat]

Correct.

[Ego Wodem]

But now let's go back to you being a two time father. Let's, let's.

[Alex Moffat]

You had zero and then I had zero. When we went. When you came to my place and we had a couple of Moffat Hattons and then went out for some delicious din.

[Ego Wodem]

Din at Jacob's Pickles.

[Alex Moffat]

I didn't know if you were going to say the name of the place.

[Ego Wodem]

I drop names. Honestly. No one's sponsoring me. And I'm constantly dropping.

[Alex Moffat]

Brought to you by Jacob's Pickles?

[Ego Wodem]

Brought to you by that delicious biscuit.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

At Jacob's.

[Alex Moffat]

And then I remember one. Once or twice you're going to say you saw me. Yeah. I walked by that restaurant. I was like, wait.

[Ego Wodem]

And I go, you introduced me. And I'm way up here because we lit. We lived. Now we're a little closer, but we lived. You lived up town. I lived downtown.

[Alex Moffat]

You're a downtown guy, so I was

[Ego Wodem]

way up there by you.

[Alex Moffat]

Very cool. But now you're a Brooklyn gal.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm a Brooklyn gal. And I ran into Moffat in Brooklyn the other day. Meaning? Could mean the other day, could mean anywhere. As recently as a week or six months. But at some point in this year, I ran into you.

[Alex Moffat]

Yep. You were walking your doggie.

[Ego Wodem]

I was walking my dog.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Little Chief.

[Alex Moffat]

Chief.

[Ego Wodem]

Chief. He is the best.

[Alex Moffat]

So two kids.

[Ego Wodem]

Did you always know you wanted to be a dad?

[Alex Moffat]

I always. That's a loaded que. I always have time.

[Ego Wodem]

We're here to talk.

[Alex Moffat]

No, no, no. Did I know I wanted to be a dad? Yes. But it was not top of mind for me for a very long time. I was not one of those people who was. I was not at all in a rush to go have a kid and being a fellow actor and. And whatever else we do, you know that this career takes a lot of feathering the nest and putting in your hours and all that kind of stuff. And there are years and years and years where it might be downright irresponsible to have a child.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And so it was not something that was on my radar for a very long time. But then once the opportunity arose, if you will, Yes, I was all in. And. And also it's. I can honestly say it's been the greatest thing that's ever happened to me by 5 million miles. Like nothing else is even in the same universe with it.

[Ego Wodem]

That is stunning to hear. Truly. Truly.

[Alex Moffat]

And I am happy that it's the truth that like both of these kids, I'm like whole. I mean particularly right now. My son is four months old. So he's kind of, you know, a hairy little sack of meat who is gorgeous and beautiful and I love him. And he's. And he's starting to smile a lot and like even cackle and he smiles with his whole body. It's adorable. So I adore this child with every fiber of my being. But I will say my daughter, who was almost five, is like. Is. I don't know. I don't even know how to describe what the last five years have been like. Getting to spend every day with that girl. Because it is truly. It is like. It is truly like magic. It's amazing.

[Ego Wodem]

That's so cool. That's so cool. Does it feel like a part of your heart lives outside of you? I've heard it described that way. Is that an accurate.

[Alex Moffat]

It is.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

That is really special.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Dang. You make me want to go get pregnant tonight.

[Alex Moffat]

Do it.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm going to go get pregnant tonight.

[Alex Moffat]

Do it.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. All right.

[Alex Moffat]

Pull the goalie.

[Ego Wodem]

That's a good way to put it.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

In the middle of intercourse. Pull the goalie.

[Alex Moffat]

Well. Oh, I just. Well then I didn't know what sort of measures you were taking, you know, to. Not.

[Ego Wodem]

Because the goalie could be anything.

[Alex Moffat]

The goalie could be anything.

[Ego Wodem]

Goalie could be an iud.

[Alex Moffat]

Uh huh.

[Ego Wodem]

A goalie could be.

[Alex Moffat]

Often it is.

[Ego Wodem]

Goalie could be a condom.

[Alex Moffat]

Yep.

[Ego Wodem]

Goalie could be the pull out method often is.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm gonna just types of contests. That one is not as effective as the first two you mentioned.

[Ego Wodem]

Sure. For some, depending on how much you practice. Like anything else, you're right. Practice could make perfect.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. Although you practice that enough, statistically, you are bound to have it not work at some point. Right?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, they don't teach women enough about their bodies in school, I have to say.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, what a hoax. Yeah, they do.

[Ego Wodem]

This is not some controversial take.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure.

[Ego Wodem]

They do only get pregnant, like, twice a month as a woman.

[Alex Moffat]

What's that?

[Ego Wodem]

It's like you can only get pregnant, like, right. No, by the way, don't listen to me. Please don't listen. I do not want to be responsible for the conception of children. To my understanding, why not? You can only get pregnant, like, twice, three times a month. You've got to be ovulating.

[Alex Moffat]

You're right. I mean, you know this better than I do.

[Ego Wodem]

You're speaking.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, gosh. Well, yes.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm a grown woman.

[Alex Moffat]

It's part of why, you know, if, like a. If a. A couple is, like, trying. Yeah. You know, then there are certain times a month where they're like, we gotta go. We gotta get it in.

[Ego Wodem]

That sounds so awful when I hear about that. Or it becomes like, dude, I've heard about couples scheduling sex for the sake of, like, intimacy and being like, we're so busy. Schedules, we need to connect.

[Alex Moffat]

Right.

[Ego Wodem]

Which I. Which also sounds like, oh, damn, what about the romance and the unpredictability of it. Whatever. But then being like, we've got to have sex right now because we're trying sounds so stressful. And like, how's everybody supposed to perform right under. Oh, my gosh.

[Alex Moffat]

I hear you.

[Ego Wodem]

Godspeed.

[Alex Moffat]

It takes a lot of the fun out of it.

[Ego Wodem]

But.

[Alex Moffat]

But also, we've been pretty lucky where it hasn't been like, we gotta, you know. Yeah, yeah, strap on the feedback. Let's get it out. Let's get after it.

[Ego Wodem]

Imagine that before sex. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

All right. I'm gonna read ESPN scores. And that's gonna be so wet. Right. Do what you gotta do. I'll be here. I'm just a hog with seed.

[Ego Wodem]

This sounds awful.

[Alex Moffat]

I know. It does sound awful.

[Ego Wodem]

Sounds awful.

[Alex Moffat]

And I have friends who are like, oh, it was not. I guess I'm impersonating. If my. If a lot of my friends from growing up are listening, they're gonna know exactly who I'm doing an impression of. It was like, yeah, we had to.

[Ego Wodem]

Dude.

[Alex Moffat]

We had to schedule it. And it was not as much fun as you'd think.

[Ego Wodem]

No one assumes that's fun. I just wanna. For the record say that but well

[Alex Moffat]

this was long before I had.

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[Ego Wodem]

Speaking of your friends, did you, while you were saying that you like, were not top of mind thinking about having a child? Right. And obviously because you were focused on your career, at any point did you feel like looking at friends who back because you're from Chicago, looking at friends who had kids earlier than you had, did you in any way feel like, oh, I'm missing out or I'm doing something wrong or I should be Any

[Alex Moffat]

pressure there, There was some pressure. I mean there was pressure about a lot of things because, you know, a lot of my friends from growing up and high school and college have had very successful careers in other fields. And so, you know, as I when I was like 28 and made $11,000 that year and lived in a closet and certain and friends of mine are like, yeah, might be getting VP this year. I'm like, good, what am I doing? What am I doing? And then it was like another six years before anything happened. Anyway.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

So it was like bleak for a while. Now when I say bleak, I was also having a blast.

[Ego Wodem]

Sure.

[Alex Moffat]

And you know, it was, it's, I wouldn't change a thing. But yes, like friends of mine and some friends of mine had kids in their 20s and that part, I was like, yeah, yeah, go, go for it. I'm not ready for that. So I wouldn't say that it was the kids thing that I was ever like, well, I want one. Why can't I have that? That part was not eluding me. It was the, like some sort of semblance of success, if you will, that a lot of my friends had in whatever chosen career they had.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

That I had to wait a very long time to feel.

[Ego Wodem]

Did you at any point in that window of time when you're making $11,000 to.

[Alex Moffat]

That was one year. That was a down year.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. You just want to let the people know because look at this man. He wasn't making $11,000 for more than a year.

[Alex Moffat]

That was one year. I told you.

[Ego Wodem]

Came in here looking rich, demanding tea.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. I made freshly laundered, more than 11,000 this year.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, you did.

[Alex Moffat]

It look like.

[Ego Wodem]

It looks like you did. What a brag, right?

[Alex Moffat]

That's my brag for this cast.

[Ego Wodem]

I hope you made more than 11,000 last year.

[Alex Moffat]

Scarcely.

[Ego Wodem]

But in the time where you weren't really successful by your own metric and by comparison, by comparing to your friends, were you at any point, like, I need to. I need to change careers. I need to do something differently?

[Alex Moffat]

Oddly, no.

[Ego Wodem]

Really?

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. I don't know why. I mean, I think, I mean, I had other, like, things that I would dabble in. Like I had a date. I always had a day job. And it was always something kind of weird enough where it was like the schedule would allow. Still allow me to go and improvise and do sketch and like solo character bullshit.

[Ego Wodem]

You say it was such disdain.

[Alex Moffat]

Well, I just mean sketch and fucking. My character shows, making up songs.

[Ego Wodem]

Do you feel. Does it make you feel like a dumbass in retrospect?

[Alex Moffat]

I guess. Otherwise, why would I use that tone?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, that tone is very telling.

[Alex Moffat]

Very telling. But no, I. There was never a time when I. Because also, like, you know, maybe you experience this too. You get teeny little breadcrumbs along the way. Obviously it didn't all happen at once, but even like as a, you know, 25 year old is like, whoa, I just got cast in a Writing 5 show in Donny's Skybox. That's pretty good. I'm kind of ahead of schedule here.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm really doing it right now.

[Alex Moffat]

And then two years, only a short two years later, I'm performing in the Stardust Theater on the Norwegian Jewel for Norwegian Cruise Lines. Oh, I'm kind of killing it.

[Ego Wodem]

Very second city of you guys in the cruises.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Did you like living on a boat

[Alex Moffat]

for three and a half of the four Months. Yeah. I loved it. You know, Cecily was in the same cast.

[Ego Wodem]

She was in the same cast with you three and a half of the four months. So what was that two week span?

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[Ego Wodem]

Hated what happened.

[Alex Moffat]

It all just fell apart.

[Ego Wodem]

This is at the end.

[Alex Moffat]

Is at the end.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

I didn't know Cess did this as well. I can't really see Cess being on a boat for that long.

[Alex Moffat]

She killed it.

[Ego Wodem]

She. No, of course. She's. She's a phenomenal.

[Alex Moffat]

No, no, no, I know. I just mean boat life.

[Ego Wodem]

She killed boat life.

[Alex Moffat]

Boat life. Yeah, it was. But. But also, there are only so many things to do on a cruise ship, and so you kind of end up going to the crew bar and buying a 75 cent bottle of wine.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Almost every night. Excuse me, it was 75 cents a glass. But you could buy a whole bottle of wine for I think a dollar 75.

[Ego Wodem]

Less than two buck chuck.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Wow.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And it tastes like shit.

[Alex Moffat]

No, I didn't know.

[Ego Wodem]

You didn't think so. Okay, fascinating.

[Alex Moffat]

I mean, my recollection. I wouldn't recommend it today.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Also in my case, it's like, yeah, why not? I'll have. I'll have. I'll drink nine Coronas again tonight. Why not? Why wouldn't.

[Ego Wodem]

It feels like the only thing that, like, when I think about what it be like to live on a cruise ship.

[Alex Moffat]

That's what it is.

[Ego Wodem]

Four months.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, my goodness, Lord. Do you have any crazy stories from being on the cruise ship?

[Alex Moffat]

Like, crazy stories? Juicy.

[Ego Wodem]

Anything juicy?

[Alex Moffat]

Mm, mm, mm, mm. I. I hooked up with a girl who was the spongebob on a cruise ship.

[Ego Wodem]

Like, were you taking off her costume for her?

[Alex Moffat]

That I don't recall.

[Ego Wodem]

Damn, that would have been so good.

[Alex Moffat]

It was. It was Halloween, so it was a different costume.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, what was she for Halloween?

[Alex Moffat]

Don't remember.

[Ego Wodem]

Wow. She didn't make an impression.

[Alex Moffat]

No, she was. She absolutely did.

[Ego Wodem]

She performed well. Okay. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Great. Spongebob.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Of course that's what I mean.

[Alex Moffat]

My craziest cruise ship story. You know what?

[Ego Wodem]

You're a father. I shouldn't be asking you stuff. Why are you asking me this one day?

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And be like, my dad is. You're right. Hold on. Let's get back to respectable topics.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

You know, why not? I would hate for your kids to.

[Alex Moffat]

Cut that out.

[Ego Wodem]

Cut that out. I don't want them knowing you've ever had sex with anyone other than their mother.

[Alex Moffat]

Right. Oh, but. Well, we don't have to get into it.

[Ego Wodem]

We just shouldn't.

[Alex Moffat]

I was. I was also in a. In a relationship, and I don't know why I'm saying this. This is all.

[Ego Wodem]

Because this is a podcast.

[Alex Moffat]

This is a podcast. Anyway, it was actually not sex. It was so. Because the girl that I was dating back home before we left kind of said, like, hey, I realize you're going on a cruise ship, and it's gonna basically be. And all you can.

[Ego Wodem]

Everything.

[Alex Moffat]

Everything buffet. So let's say we, like, we're gonna keep this open. God bless, have fun, but maybe don't go all the way there.

[Ego Wodem]

So no home base.

[Alex Moffat]

No home base, everything. But yeah. And so I adhered to that. Wow.

[Ego Wodem]

Wow.

[Alex Moffat]

Just so. Just to be clear.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Because I would hate for her now I'm thinking about her seeing this and be like, wait, he broke.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, exactly. And I'm here to tell you, however many. Fifteen years later, however many.

[Ego Wodem]

You followed the rules.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure did.

[Ego Wodem]

Had you been in open relationships before that?

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

I mean, not open relationships in the sense that, like, we sat down and talked about it. Here's how we're gonna do this ethical monogamy thing. I was in other relationships where it was clear we weren't, like, exclusive.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Got it. But not in a, like, long term, committed one where we sort of made rules and where, you know, that's cool.

[Ego Wodem]

So she offered that up.

[Alex Moffat]

She was just like, hey, we had already been open.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, okay.

[Alex Moffat]

And then going on the cruise ship, that was actually just putting sort of a, you know, a governor, if you will, to. On. On the whole situation to be like, here's the only way I'm gonna be comfortable with this. And I was like, that's fair.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. It's almost like whatever happens on the water is true.

[Alex Moffat]

And there. Yes. But also, I'm. That's. That's not how it ended up. I mean, it. It. It's very. Have you ever been in an open relationship?

[Ego Wodem]

No. Never.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay.

[Ego Wodem]

It's hard to do that.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. And I. I don't think it's. It's not for everybody. I don't think it was necessary. We tried.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

I think our hearts were in the right place. Place. But it was not a great situation.

[Ego Wodem]

You're not gonna want to tell me how this ended.

[Alex Moffat]

We broke up.

[Ego Wodem]

Well, sure.

[Alex Moffat]

It was long after the cruise ship, if that.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Helps.

[Ego Wodem]

It wasn't anything that happened on the ocean.

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay. Because you did your part.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Wow. That's just open relationships. I'm like, godspeed, to the people who are able.

[Alex Moffat]

Godspeed.

[Ego Wodem]

I do not have the skill set.

[Alex Moffat]

I hear you, and I'm glad that we sort of did that, and I learned a lot from it, and I don't think that it's what I would want necessarily.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, yeah. Brave of you to try. I have to say. I salute you, King.

[Alex Moffat]

We tried.

[Ego Wodem]

I salute you, King. But speaking of relationships, please, you said something the last. So last time I saw you, we ran into each other in Brooklyn, but before that, we were at some event. Do you remember? And I don't know where, but on our way out, and I was like, we'll have to get together. And now we didn't. But now we're on the podcast.

[Alex Moffat]

No, this is us getting together.

[Ego Wodem]

This is us getting together. If you want to hang out with me, you got to come to the podcast.

[Alex Moffat]

Apparently. So.

[Ego Wodem]

No.

[Alex Moffat]

Am I going to be on, like, the next three episodes so we can finally catch up?

[Ego Wodem]

Yes, properly. But you have to sign, like, a thing, a release. It's like you're. Yeah. You have to be. You have to tell me all the tea. But is that. You said we were talking about a relationship I was once in where I was like, I feel like I'd have to, like, pull this person.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Drag them through life. Like, really nice person. But I would have to be like, come on, we're going here.

[Alex Moffat]

I think I ran into you and that person.

[Ego Wodem]

Maybe we're gonna cut that out.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay. Well, I run into you with several.

[Ego Wodem]

We're cutting that out.

[Alex Moffat]

Cut it out.

[Ego Wodem]

Cut that out. Because I don't want that person to feel. So we'll move on. You did. We did, but. Yes, we did. Yes. So we are cutting that out. I often joke, cut it out. But I'm like.

[Alex Moffat]

And we're. Nothing happened. We're still chatting.

[Ego Wodem]

No, no, no. We'll cut it out. We'll put it on the sub stack for subscribers to Substack.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay.

[Ego Wodem]

Subscribe to the substack if you want to see who the person is that Alex was referring to. Mind you, my friend here has been so cagey, and I've honored it. And then here.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, you know, I'm so. You're right.

[Ego Wodem]

Yes. Your shirt is open, but you're being cagey.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, God. Kg. Am I kg?

[Ego Wodem]

You're being cagey.

[Alex Moffat]

I opened up about topics I can't believe I've been talking about. Really? My.

[Ego Wodem]

Are we gonna get an email from your lawyer after this?

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. All of them being like, can that.

[Ego Wodem]

You have. How many lawyers do you have? 5.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, where do I begin? No, I've got one. But he works at a firm where there's more than five.

[Ego Wodem]

There's so many names. Every. Every law office, there's like, seven names.

[Alex Moffat]

Wodom and Moffitt.

[Ego Wodem]

Wodom and Moffitt and Michaels and Gardner and Obama.

[Alex Moffat]

And that would be our law firm.

[Ego Wodem]

Keep going.

[Alex Moffat]

Yumi, Heidi, Lauren and Michelle.

[Ego Wodem]

Michelle. Okay. Not Barack. I feel like we need at least two more, though. And come on, get good names. Strong.

[Alex Moffat]

Strong.

[Ego Wodem]

Gordon Levitt.

[Alex Moffat]

Strong and Gordon Levitt.

[Ego Wodem]

Gordon.

[Alex Moffat]

Cecily and Joseph. Gordon Levitt.

[Ego Wodem]

Names. I was saying strong names because that's so many SNL people. We need one more. Yes, we need one more. Non snl.

[Alex Moffat]

And

[Ego Wodem]

a power Grint. Do we know them?

[Alex Moffat]

Isn't that Rupert Grint? Wasn't he Ron Weasley?

[Ego Wodem]

I believe you is what I'm gonna say about everything.

[Alex Moffat]

So our law firm is Wodom and Moffitt and Gardner and Michaels and Obama and Strong and Gordon Levitt and Grint.

[Ego Wodem]

Grint. I don't know where. I lost count. That's the firm. We cannot help you.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, we're busy.

[Ego Wodem]

We're busy.

[Alex Moffat]

We're having a holiday.

[Ego Wodem]

Entertainment stuff. Okay, Moffat, point is, you said that you remembered I had said, oh, I feel like this person. Lovely person. I would just have to kind of be like, come on through life, just constant. And there was going to never be sort of like an activation on there.

[Alex Moffat]

And.

[Ego Wodem]

And you said to me, where the f were we? Anyway, you said. When you said this to me, you were like, hey, I remember you saying this about a person you're dating. And he's. And you said, I feel like Caroline Mothman's wife has done that for me.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. Carolina with the tiny hiney in the world's fluffiest vagina every time.

[Ego Wodem]

He's been saying that for at least seven years. At least, because I. You said that when I met you.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Does she like that description?

[Alex Moffat]

She's fine with it.

[Ego Wodem]

You guys once sent an erotic erotic Christmas card. Do you remember? Or was it an invitation to something?

[Alex Moffat]

It might have been a Valentine's Day card or a New Year's card.

[Ego Wodem]

Maybe it was a new year. Do you remember this?

[Alex Moffat]

We've sent a handful of erotic greeting cards.

[Ego Wodem]

I love this couple. Okay. Anyway, you said that she did this for you.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. My God. And actually, part of the, like, prep that I got for this pod, if you want to be.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm supposed to say, thanks, dad.

[Ego Wodem]

You gotta say, who do you want to say thanks to? Can you believe me and my friend just started running our mouth? I did not start the pod.

[Alex Moffat]

Why is it they'll cut all this stuff? The podcast starts now.

[Ego Wodem]

Hey, Moffat. I want to say thanks to.

[Alex Moffat]

I want to say thanks Caroline with the tiny hiney in the world's fluffiest vagina.

[Ego Wodem]

I don't know if I'll. Anyway, Fluffy vagina. Do you want your vagina to be fluffy? Ladies, comment.

[Alex Moffat]

Ladies, hit us up.

[Ego Wodem]

Actually, everyone comment. Do we want fluffy vaginis? Yes. Okay. What is a fluffy?

[Alex Moffat]

Not everybody wants it.

[Ego Wodem]

A fluffy vagina.

[Alex Moffat]

I think a lot of fellas are like, I prefer when a girl looks like she never started puberty, whereas I go to the opposite end.

[Ego Wodem]

Fluffy vaginy. You're like, you want to be lost in the woods?

[Alex Moffat]

Lost.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Never to return again. Yeah, she's the greatest.

[Ego Wodem]

So, yes, that's who you wanna say thanks?

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, my God, do I ever. I mean, it was actually a hard question because I was like, I. I owe a big thank you. A big debt of gratitude to a lot of people. I thought of. Thanks, dad. Thanks, Mom. I had really wonderful parents. But because, actually, partially because of that quote that you just mentioned that you said to me about that former flame who then I've said, that's how it has been with Caroline. I thought, well, since I'm talking to Eggie, boom, I'm going to say thanks, Caroline, because she has, in a way, dragged me through life. When we met at a Velveeta cheese commercial audition In October of 2012, Cocktober 2012, she.

[Ego Wodem]

Did you say cocktober?

[Alex Moffat]

I don't think so.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

She dragged me out of a ditch. I was. I was just a half dead, bloated, very sad, grieving individual, which is all fine, but I was, you might say, a shadow of the titan that I am today.

[Ego Wodem]

Titan. Look at this again. Look at this, man.

[Alex Moffat]

But I. So she truly. I feel like she saved my life in so many ways and she has dragged me through life. You wanna know a quick little story where I was like, ooh, this is the kind of gal that I. That I could really. That I need for moi.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

You know, because that's what a relationship should be. How does she serve my needs?

[Ego Wodem]

And that's it.

[Alex Moffat]

That's it.

[Ego Wodem]

That's it. How does she serve my needs? Period?

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. What holes do I have that she can fill?

[Ego Wodem]

I will give her nothing. Offer her nothing.

[Alex Moffat]

Right.

[Ego Wodem]

In fact, I will be a liability.

[Alex Moffat]

Exactly.

[Ego Wodem]

That is what a relationship is supposed to be. Okay?

[Alex Moffat]

She. This is But I had this, like, trunk. I had most of my stuff in a storage space. Again, I was crushing it at the time. And she came with me to my storage unit. We had just started dating, and I had this beautiful old trunk that belonged to one of my older sisters that was hers in, like, the 80s. It looked like something that had been on the Titanic, but it had had a broken lock forever. And I had just been carting this trunk around forever, and I was gonna take it to wherever I was living next. Who knows? And she was like, that's a beautiful trunk. I was like, thanks. The lock's broke, and I'm just kind of carting it around for no reason. And I was like, do you want it? And she was like, sure. And I had had this trunk for over a decade, and the lock had just been broken. And the next time I saw her, the trunk was in her place and the lock was fixed. And she was like, look. And I looked in, and I hadn't looked in the trunk since I was, like, a kid.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And I was like, how did you do that? She was like, oh, I just took it to a place, and they fixed the lock. I was like, yeah, I guess I could have done that at some point over the last decade, but I just didn't.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And so I was like, oh, you do things. You say you're gonna do something, and then you do it.

[Ego Wodem]

That is so attractive in a person.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

And it's so simple.

[Alex Moffat]

It's so simple.

[Ego Wodem]

But it's like, that's a really attractive trait. It's like, you do what you say you're gonna do.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Phenomenal.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. It was an aphrodisiac. This lock that had been fixed on this trunk. But. But. But also, I was like, oh, you kind of have a gear in life that I. That seems to elude me. And again, it's not that I am saying. I just glommed onto her because I was like, please save me and bring me through and make me whole again. It wasn't that, but I was just, like. It was very attractive how much. She was just. It was so simple to her. And I just, like, procrastinated and put it off and stuff. And she's the kind of person who'll just be like, yeah, we needed to have 40 things hung, so I just hired a TaskRabbit to come to which, these are the simplest things. But instead of all these things sitting in a pile that just need to be hung and I'm not doing it, she just gets she figures it out.

[Ego Wodem]

Right.

[Alex Moffat]

And does it.

[Ego Wodem]

That's phenomenal. So we're saying thanks to Caroline.

[Alex Moffat]

Thanks Caroline to the end.

[Ego Wodem]

And say with the fluffy vagina, because I forgot the rest.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Shout out to Caroline. She is incredible.

[Alex Moffat]

She's incredible.

[Ego Wodem]

She. She really is. I think that that's okay. Particularly what a relationship is meant to be, from my understanding, with limited knowledge of them. Honey, I got limited knowledge, I think, barely. Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

[Alex Moffat]

It's, again, one of the most grounded people I've ever met and one of the wisest people.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you, Mothman.

[Alex Moffat]

Like, from the get go, I was like, whoa. This person has their head, like, is just so grounded and has their head screwed on so straight. That sounds like I'm almost maybe patronizing.

[Ego Wodem]

It's so kind.

[Alex Moffat]

I just mean it as, like, I was like. And always, always at snl, there was never a moment where I think anybody, myself included, was ever, like, worried. I think you came in and everyone was like, oh, my God, she could run this place immediately. She's already the funniest person. And now we just see what an adult she is. Good Lord. So, yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you, Mothman. That's really generous and sweet of you.

[Alex Moffat]

I think also of you often. You know that book, the Four Agreements?

[Ego Wodem]

It's my favorite. Do I ever. Yes, it's my favorite.

[Alex Moffat]

So I think of you with that and the, you know, take nothing personally. And that was something we sometimes chatted about.

[Ego Wodem]

Yes. And it's my favorite of the Four Agreements.

[Alex Moffat]

Me, too.

[Ego Wodem]

It's my favorite.

[Alex Moffat]

My mom used to. My mom read that book, like, whenever it first came out, and we used to have these long chats in the car and over the dinner table about the agreements. And that was sort of the one that we talked the most about.

[Ego Wodem]

That's so beautiful. And that's the one. Yeah. Most moving to me off the bat when I read it, because I was like, oh, my gosh. Everything everyone's doing is all about them at all times. Even the compliment. You'd be going, you look rich.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, that's about you.

[Ego Wodem]

It's about me? No, you are a mirror. No, but just. Yeah, it's. Everything everyone does is about them and the place and the space they're in. And that is really cool. And I remember when I started at snl, I was so grateful that you invited me over for a drink because I didn't know anybody. You know, people go in there and they know people.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, I guess you do. I didn't.

[Ego Wodem]

You didn't either. I legitimately.

[Alex Moffat]

I knew Vanessa a little bit.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And Cecily, obviously.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. I genuinely. I met Chris Redd in a green room once at ucb in passing, like, two months before I got snl. But I literally don't know any of these people. But you were so kind and generous to be, like, come over and have a drink to the one.

[Alex Moffat]

I just kind of wanted to be friends with you. I was like, she seems cool.

[Ego Wodem]

Thanks, Mothman. I'm so grateful. And now we have to hang out in a real way.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure.

[Ego Wodem]

Not here. But it doesn't mean the podcast is over, because I have so many more questions. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay. If you say so.

[Ego Wodem]

I keep teasing an end, and it's not gonna.

[Alex Moffat]

Well, this has been fun.

[Ego Wodem]

This has been.

[Alex Moffat]

And now let's talk some more.

[Ego Wodem]

No. Well, okay. You know, you spoke about your mom and even having those lovely conversations about the four agreements, which is so cool. Like, we used to read with my mom, and she would have conversations with us about things we'd read. And those. Those are such cherished moments to me. When I met you at snl, I think at one point we were off to, like, rehearsing and a sketch on a Thursday or something, and I was like, are your parents so proud? And you're like, well, they are not here anymore. And. But you're like, but I have.

[Alex Moffat]

They used to be at 30 Rock, and then they had just left that day, so that's what I meant by that.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, I misunderstood. This whole time, I thought you meant they had passed.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, no, they had been in the. In Studio 8H earlier. And so then I was like, oh, they're not here.

[Ego Wodem]

In no way could you answer my question, because you're like, well, they're not in the building anymore.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, they were proud of me while they were watching us rehearse that, but then they left, so they're not here.

[Ego Wodem]

My guy. I think you did something like this to me.

[Alex Moffat]

Probably, yes. What? Deflected?

[Ego Wodem]

Deflected.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Ego Wodem]

How old were you, You. When they passed away?

[Alex Moffat]

Did they die? No, I. What if I just found out from you?

[Ego Wodem]

From me?

[Alex Moffat]

That would be. How old was I? I was 24 when my mom passed. I was 29 when my dad passed.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Would you.

[Alex Moffat]

So I got it all done in my. In my twenties.

[Ego Wodem]

Don't talk about. Don't talk about it like that.

[Alex Moffat]

My 30s were easy in that sense. Like, I got the biggest. The biggest, shittiest, worst things that I think a person can go through. I got them done pretty early.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. I mean, did you. Did Caroline met you then after both of your parents had passed?

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Yep.

[Ego Wodem]

So of course you were depressed by this.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

Not to say it's like a given, but absolutely understandable. Any form of it is understandable. But I'm like, there is some real context here.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

For. For how she found you. And, you know, how she found you. Because that's the way you. That's the way you put it to me every time we talk about it. Having had that loss at that age, how would you say it has shaped the person you are today?

[Alex Moffat]

I don't think it did.

[Ego Wodem]

You shut the front door.

[Alex Moffat]

How has it shaped me? I think it has given me the knowledge that everything is impermanent. And so truly, like this morning when I. We. I took. My daughter was so late to school today because I just wanted to snuggle her for a while, and that's on me. But we were like, we love your accountability. Thank you. We were wrestling, making up songs, snuggling, and she was just, like, laying on me and giggling, and it was true. And I. And I. So I have this sense that literally, I. I could. You know, if I'm following in the. In the steps of my parents and I pass early, I joke with Caroline that I'll. I'm gonna live to, like, 45. I hope it's longer, but I have a sense that we're all gonna die. It's. It. All of this is gonna come to an end. And so I truly. I think I enjoy these moments in life. It's given me the chance to, like, really, really, really soak in the good stuff.

[Ego Wodem]

That's really beautiful.

[Alex Moffat]

Well, I think that that's. I think that. That if you can come through grief and grieve and grieve and grieve and grieve till you can't grieve no more. I think when you come out the other side, that is one thing that it gives you.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

What perspective. Because I'm like, yeah, in the grand scheme of things, when you've had the experiences you've had, who the hell cares if your daughter is an hour late to school? It actually doesn't matter. I don't know how late she was, but these are those moments, I'm assuming,

[Alex Moffat]

to be fair, she's late every day, but she was later than usual today.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Well, then the teachers know she's coming, she's coming, she's late.

[Alex Moffat]

And I gotta figure that out. Next year, she'll start kindergarten, and then they start caring about when she's there, and then by then, we'll figure it out.

[Ego Wodem]

But those moments with you do matter. Those moments with you do matter. Those are such important memories. And honestly, that's the stuff that matters in life. That's the texture. I feel like that matters.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes. Yes. Now, can I ask you something?

[Ego Wodem]

You may just be aware that it's my podcast, right?

[Alex Moffat]

So you can cut it out wherever you want. But I didn't realize. And I should have a dad. What's that?

[Ego Wodem]

That I didn't have a dad.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

I didn't realize I seem like a girl with a dad, right? Yes. Yeah. Right.

[Alex Moffat]

What is what. Maybe your podcast listeners will be like, we gotta hear this story again. Probably not, but what is the. What do you mean, you.

[Ego Wodem]

Well, my parents got divorced when I was like 2, and I was raised by my mom and I didn't have a relationship with my dad.

[Alex Moffat]

Got it.

[Ego Wodem]

And my dad has now. He died.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, I'm sorry. When was that?

[Ego Wodem]

That's okay for me. I feel for the people that were close to him.

[Alex Moffat]

Maybe.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, he died like two summers ago, so like 20, 24 or three. Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay.

[Ego Wodem]

But it's like we didn't have a relationship. Thank you.

[Alex Moffat]

Thank you. You didn't have a relationship with him at all?

[Ego Wodem]

Well, like, I knew him.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay.

[Ego Wodem]

I knew him, but my mom raised me. I live with my mom. I did. Visitation was like, younger, and then I was just raised by my mother. And yeah, we just, by my choice, didn't really have a relationship, but it wasn't like an angry, I'm mad at you. So we're not. It's just like anytime we talk, I was like, this is gonna be an unpleasant experience, I feel. And it doesn't feel like a thing. I need to introduce to my life. Cut that out.

[Alex Moffat]

My. My belch.

[Ego Wodem]

Your silent belch.

[Alex Moffat]

Uh huh huh.

[Ego Wodem]

Does my dead dad give you gas?

[Alex Moffat]

Apparently.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, talk about my dead dad giving you gas. Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

So, like, where did he, like. Did you guys live close to each other?

[Ego Wodem]

No, I grew up in Baltimore. He was there at some point, and so I was doing visitation when I was younger. Then he moved to North Carolina. But I'm like, friends with, you know, my cousins on his side. We're friendly. We follow each other on Instagram. So it wasn't that. It was just like, you seem tough in a way. For me, that doesn't necessarily seem worth it.

[Alex Moffat]

Gotcha.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's like the best way to put it where I'm like. And so I've part Of the premise of the podcast is like. Was originally like, come be my dad for a day. What's it like? But you could. But the reality is it's like, it's interesting to me to hear how people experience the relationship they have with their parents and then what they are like as parents. And not everyone on the podcast is a parent, but everyone has a parent. It's a parent. It's apparent that everyone has a parent. Should we write a song now?

[Alex Moffat]

It's apparent that everyone has a parent.

[Ego Wodem]

I like that song. We would have to figure out more, but yeah, that's the. I asked Mikey when he did the podcast too, because he's like, I didn't realize, Eggy, that you didn't have a dad. And I was like, yeah, because I seem like I have a dad. And people like to go, what does it mean that you seem like you have a dad? But I'm like, we all know. Let's. Let's be. You know, there's a nod happening off camera. Yeah, but no, everyone knows. I. Everyone knows what that seems like. But. But I think it has impacted me in ways that I'd have to peel back like a thousand layers and be like, ah, sure. I wasn't snuggling with dad before school. I was very on time to school and I had perfect attendance from, I don't doubt it, second grade to senior year. And it means nothing. Which is why I'm like, snuggle with your dad instead.

[Alex Moffat]

It does mean, I mean it means something because you're. You're mentioning it now.

[Ego Wodem]

But I guess what I, what I did learn from is that it doesn't matter. And I cared so much about it

[Alex Moffat]

when I was perfect attendance because I

[Ego Wodem]

was like, oh, you're on a roll, baby.

[Alex Moffat]

And it's like.

[Ego Wodem]

But it doesn't. It literally doesn't matter.

[Alex Moffat]

I feel like I'm not surprised that you have perfect attendance.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Yeah. Why? Wait? Why?

[Alex Moffat]

Why? Because you are.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm not fishing for a compliment.

[Alex Moffat]

It sure seems like you are. But here you go. No, I'm kidding. Why does it seem like you had perfect attendance? Because you again, are just so. You seem very responsible. You seem like you have life by the balls.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you. Just squeezing them.

[Alex Moffat]

You gotta, you know, comet by the tail.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And you always have.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you. I was a latchkey kid, single mom. Yeah. I let myself in and I let myself in and I had some of that my meal and I'd do my homework and I do it right away.

[Alex Moffat]

Really?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Because I was a Latchkey kid who did not do his homework.

[Ego Wodem]

Really? I was like, I know I need to do it, and I would get it done. And in my mind, I was like, get it done immediately so the rest of this evening is mine. And it's not looming over me that I have to do homework at some point. I'm like, I would do it immediately. And then I'm like, I'm watching 106 in park.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Now the night is mine. I'm watching Big Tigga in the basement. Lot of bet.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And then what else? 7th heaven was my shit. Yeah. I was like, you got to get your stuff done so that the rest of the evening is yours, baby.

[Alex Moffat]

Well, you were smarter than me because I would just not do it. And then I. So that I could feel like the time was mine, but it wasn't really mine because it was. Something was looming in the back.

[Ego Wodem]

But mind you, things loom. Like, I'm hearing myself describe the child I was, and I'm like, damn, but there's a lot of shit looming now. Like, you got to respond to that email ego. I don't respond to emails. I don't respond to text messages. And it's getting bad.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

How are you with all of that? Because I feel like you're responsive to me.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay. I think I'm realizing more and more as I get older that there's some ADHD that I think had previously gone unaddressed. And so I'm not amazing when it comes to texts and emails, but I'm getting better.

[Ego Wodem]

It's okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Do you feel like the personality type at snl? I'll attribute it to that. Or just, like, the particular people we worked with at snl. I think that this text and email thing of, like, being truly abysmal at responding to things was like a pandemic at at snl.

[Ego Wodem]

Meaning we caught it there.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure. Sure, we caught. Or just like, I still, like, friends of ours, some are better than others, but I feel like there's something about the personality type of whatever it is, whether it's cast or writer. Like, a lot of people there are just like. You know, And I'm one of them. I'm like, friends of mine from growing up who, again, have chosen other career paths are like, you. You know, you didn't respond to my text for, like, 14 days, and then you pretended like nothing had happened. I'm like, yeah, I guess I'm sorry.

[Ego Wodem]

I've had to practice not saying sorry for being delayed in responses that's true. I really practice not being like, so sorry about my delay. Because I'm like, there's too many.

[Alex Moffat]

Because you're not.

[Ego Wodem]

Well, I actually am. The reality is that I am. And I'm like, no, I need to set a new tone. That just because you have reached out to me in written form does not mean that I can get back to you. I think about if I were to sit down and respond to everything that's come my way, just even that's on my phone right now, that would be a two day, sort of like block out, two business days. I'm gonna get back to everyone. And that's not feasible for my life. And so I have had to make peace with, like, I'm not gonna say sorry, though. Sometimes I'm like, I just really want to say sorry. And I have to work on it because there's just too many inboxes. And I think that forever. There's too many inboxes. There's DMs, there's emails, there's text messages. And everyone's like, hey, I don't know if you got my dm, but okay, now here's an email and a text. And I go, no, that's more. And it's giving me anxiety.

[Alex Moffat]

I hear it.

[Ego Wodem]

Just a reaction in real time. I'm about to break out of this.

[Alex Moffat]

I just saw that.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm shaking.

[Alex Moffat]

There's a single bead of sweat coming. No, there's not.

[Ego Wodem]

And so it all stresses me out. I'm like, we have to stop apologizing for not being able to get back to people in time. There's too many inboxes. We've gone too far.

[Alex Moffat]

We've gone too far.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Cut it all off.

[Ego Wodem]

Cut it all off.

[Alex Moffat]

Pull the plug on the whole.

[Ego Wodem]

Remember having to call someone and their home phone. Yeah. And having to leave a message.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And that was. And that was it. So you're off living your life. Right. And then you go home and it's

[Alex Moffat]

like, okay, truly, it makes me want to go. If. If somewhere there is a giant plug that we could just go doink. And then we're just back to home phones. Have you ever heard of these tin can phones?

[Ego Wodem]

The original phone.

[Alex Moffat]

The original. But yes. Now there's a thing where, like, if you want to give your kids the, you know, the ability to communicate with other kids, but you don't want to put like a smartphone in their hand, there's basically like these new things that. It's like a landline Although it does run on the Internet, but. And they're not paying me, but we got our neighbor two houses down, got a tin can phone. And it's these little. It's like a little pink phone that looks like it was made in the 80s. And you kind of plug it into the wall and then you can program certain numbers that they can call. And so this little girl is friends with my daughter. And so we got my. And my daughter wants to be able to call her cousin Carter. And so she's got a tin can phone and she can like, look at the little list of the numbers and call her cousin or her friend. But I mean, I don't want to give my daughter a smartphone pretty much ever.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Certainly not at this age, because that would be insane.

[Ego Wodem]

Right.

[Alex Moffat]

But. And in fact, even as I say this, the, like giving her this tin can phone seems a little premature, but it's just taking the place of like, we, you know, in olden times we would have a landline. And in theory, she could memorize her cousin's phone number and call.

[Ego Wodem]

I remember that my cousin and I used to do handwritten letters. She lived in Jersey. Jersey. And we write each other letters. And we would kiss the envelope and. Yeah. It's fond memories. Yeah. And the phone calls and getting in trouble for the phone bill because Jersey to Maryland, this whole long distance calling wasn't a thing. And you had to pay for that. You'd be on the phone for hours and then get a talking to. Are you gonna do it again the next month?

[Alex Moffat]

This is so cute.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Are you and this cousin still close?

[Ego Wodem]

Not as close. Life happens.

[Alex Moffat]

Life happens.

[Ego Wodem]

Life happens. And then people every. People move different places.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

And it's crazy because we were obviously in different places, but we just had less responsibility.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

And we're. Yeah, yeah. Not.

[Alex Moffat]

How old were you when you would be doing these, like, marathon telephone calls?

[Ego Wodem]

Oh, my goodness. We were probably like 11 and 10. Like. And talking about what? Right, Even. What were we even talking about?

[Alex Moffat]

That's even better.

[Ego Wodem]

Running up the phone bill, talking about absolutely nothing. It's very, very, very sweet.

[Alex Moffat]

Lovely Mothman.

[Ego Wodem]

You don't want to give your daughter a phone and.

[Alex Moffat]

No.

[Ego Wodem]

If you could help. Yeah, I get it. There's a lot on here, and I think it's better that way. What are values?

[Alex Moffat]

Also, she's not even five yet. So again, it would literally be like, I would. I would have to. I should have her taken away from me if I gave her a smartphone at this age.

[Ego Wodem]

I feel like somebody Somewhere I say this, that if you can conceive of a thing happening, someone somewhere on the. This planet is doing it, has done it. And so someone has given their five year old a phone.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Ego Wodem]

Take this.

[Alex Moffat]

It's a toy.

[Ego Wodem]

What are the values you want to instill in her and your son?

[Alex Moffat]

Ooh, very good question. To reach the maximum version of themselves, meaning whatever's in there, whoever they are and want to be, they just chip away all the crap that society and everybody else puts on us. And, like, who do you want to be? Because I like, I think that, like, my. My dad was such a, like, unique individual and would truly couldn't give a shit what anybody in the world thought of him. And I just. And he was such an odd duck in the best way. Eccentric, strange, even, like, talked like he was from, like another century. It was. It was. And so I just. I think individualhood is a. Is something to aspire to. So I think that's. That's one thing. Just like, be yourself. Be who you are.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

And reach the maximum version of that. Yeah, yeah. And be kind, obviously, but that's kind of a given. But what were you.

[Ego Wodem]

I love that. No, I think some. I don't have kids, but in my mind, part of being a parent.

[Alex Moffat]

Till tonight. You're gonna start tonight.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm getting pregnant tonight. Yes.

[Alex Moffat]

You heard it here.

[Ego Wodem]

We're telling the goalie they can take their pto. What did you say?

[Alex Moffat]

I said pull the goal. You've never heard that expression, pull the goalie?

[Ego Wodem]

I haven't. I don't know what anything is. We established that up top. True.

[Alex Moffat]

But you've never heard the term pull the goal.

[Ego Wodem]

I've never heard. I've heard pull out.

[Alex Moffat]

Ego Nation. Right in. Who has. Is anybody out there not heard the term pull the goal?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, I want to know who's heard this term.

[Alex Moffat]

I heard it on an episode of Dewey Defeats Truman.

[Ego Wodem]

Beautiful TV show. It's a cartoon, right?

[Alex Moffat]

It's a cartoon.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, great.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm learning so much from you today.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm so glad.

[Ego Wodem]

I am genuinely learning so, so much. I have to ask this. In addition, you said Caroline provides this sort of take initiative, get things done, and you think that that's attractive and inspiring. If Caroline were in the room, what do you think she would say? You provide her honestly and. No. No bits.

[Alex Moffat]

No bits.

[Ego Wodem]

No bits allowed.

[Alex Moffat]

Crap.

[Ego Wodem]

It's like Weddings of Comedians. I'm like, enough with the bits. For real. What's the vows? What are we saying?

[Alex Moffat]

Right.

[Ego Wodem]

We're getting married. This is serious.

[Alex Moffat]

We can be sincere.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. We can be sincere for 30 seconds.

[Alex Moffat]

Absolutely. And even longer. It's okay.

[Ego Wodem]

It's fine. We know you're funny, right? Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

It's. Enough with the bits.

[Ego Wodem]

Enough with the bits. Cancel them.

[Alex Moffat]

Cancel the bits.

[Ego Wodem]

If there's not a stage, cancel the bit. Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Go cancel the bit.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

What do I provide for Caroline?

[Ego Wodem]

If she. What would she say?

[Alex Moffat]

I think a very safe place in the world. We. We both think of each other as like each other's home. Yeah. So I think I'm a very safe place for her, and I think I help her feel very secure and safe in the world. I. I think that. I mean, I. What else do I provide? I mean, obviously, as a. As an aspiring comedian, I do. I provide a very fun life for her. I think we laugh our asses off every day.

[Ego Wodem]

I can imagine.

[Alex Moffat]

You know what I mean? She's also the funniest person I know, so we just kind of like. And also, at times, it sort of seems like, were you made for me? You know what I mean?

[Ego Wodem]

That's an incredible feeling.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. Like, our senses of humor line up just enough where it's good, but also in other places where she does things where I would have, like that just catch me so off guard that I just giggle my little ass off. Or big fat dumper off.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, fat dumper. Who wrote that again?

[Alex Moffat]

Somebody from the team.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay, great. The team.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

So, yeah, those are some things that I think I provide for her.

[Ego Wodem]

I think that's beautiful.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

I love that, genuinely, because I. You know, you ever see those, like, meet cute videos on social media where it's like, are you guys a couple? And then it's like, what do you love about him? And then the woman will say something, and it's like, what do you love about her? And then the guy will be like, she does this for me. And what do you love about her? About her?

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, right. But that's. That. That is what I love. She does that for me.

[Ego Wodem]

She cooks for me.

[Alex Moffat]

She's such a good cook. She hires all the people to hang things in our house. And that's what I love about stuff. Yeah, exactly.

[Ego Wodem]

Anyway, I. I think that's wonderful. And now it's time for a segment called that's Nice, but what about me?

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, God, Okay. I love it already.

[Ego Wodem]

Damn it. We didn't talk about me enough. That's not true. We talked about me too much, frankly, I think.

[Alex Moffat]

No, about you.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

No. Okay, let's talk about You.

[Ego Wodem]

Well, okay, Here. Here's the thing that I think you.

[Alex Moffat]

Can I blow my nose real quick?

[Ego Wodem]

Yes. I want to keep it. I don't believe things aren't polished.

[Alex Moffat]

This is good.

[Ego Wodem]

All your favorite podcasts. This is happening. They're cutting it out. This is how it's. The sausage is made.

[Alex Moffat]

Holy moly.

[Ego Wodem]

That's a wet one. That's wet. I hate blowing my nose. I'm a sniffle queen. I'm not gonna lie. I'm a sniffle queen.

[Alex Moffat]

Even hear you. Do you know that your.

[Ego Wodem]

Your head is swollen for real? You gotta go back to steaming cream.

[Alex Moffat]

I. I gotta go steaming cream five more times today.

[Ego Wodem]

Someone just told me to do a neti pot.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah, that's. That's not doing anything.

[Ego Wodem]

You don't fuck with it.

[Alex Moffat]

I've tried it all.

[Ego Wodem]

And that's why you got the allergy test done.

[Alex Moffat]

I did. You know what the biggest one is? Dust.

[Ego Wodem]

Dust. Oh, that's fucked up.

[Alex Moffat]

Because it covers cats and dogs.

[Ego Wodem]

Oh.

[Alex Moffat]

So if you're a cat out there, get outta here.

[Ego Wodem]

I have a dog, but he's hypoallergenic. Oh, so I've been told. I made.

[Alex Moffat]

Do you know something I learned yesterday about the whole cat dog allergy thing? I'm allergic to the dander. Caroline is allergic to the dander and the pelt.

[Ego Wodem]

What's the pelt?

[Alex Moffat]

Exactly. Because they did all of these allergy tests, these pricks. And she's allergic to the pelt. Meaning even if we got, like, a hypoallergenic dog, she'd probably still be kind of allergic.

[Ego Wodem]

What is pelt?

[Alex Moffat]

Pelt is like, you know how you could have a beaver pelt? The skin.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm just learning so much.

[Alex Moffat]

My head is swollen with new knowledge.

[Ego Wodem]

In a different way.

[Alex Moffat]

In a different way.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm gonna fully Google this on my walk out of here. I wanna.

[Alex Moffat]

Don't you go steaming cream because you'll lose all that knowledge.

[Ego Wodem]

I can't go steaming cream. I can't go steaming cream. I can't. I don't want a steaming cream. I don't like the sound of it.

[Alex Moffat]

Do you know that Beck and I used to sometimes go steaming cream together on a Saturday?

[Ego Wodem]

It sounds sexual. Why? I mean, don't say why. You know why.

[Alex Moffat]

No, I have no idea. But sometimes if we both had, like, a big gap.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

In our day, on Saturdays, we would be like, steaming cream.

[Ego Wodem]

I would go to a face gym, which is. They work out your face and face muscles and massage your face.

[Alex Moffat]

Really?

[Ego Wodem]

On a Saturday? I'VE also gone to a meditation uptown on a Saturday when it was a light Saturday, I snuck away.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, I did my fair share of weird stuff.

[Ego Wodem]

Went to full blown candlelight meditation on a Saturday in the middle on a

[Alex Moffat]

show day sometimes those light Saturdays, you know. Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

You're like, I know what I'm gonna do. Make the most of it, green juice and do that. Yeah. This is what. That's. This is nice. But what about me?

[Alex Moffat]

Right? What about you?

[Ego Wodem]

What about me?

[Alex Moffat]

What do we want to.

[Ego Wodem]

I want to ask you.

[Alex Moffat]

Tell me.

[Ego Wodem]

I want to ask you how you recalibrate post snl.

[Alex Moffat]

How do you recalibrate?

[Ego Wodem]

Because you're just. You work so much, you're so busy, the schedule's crazy. You get used to. I feel I've already done.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, for a second, I thought you were talking about me post snl. And it's not like. No, I, like, I mean, I guess, yeah, but, like.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. What did you. What was the, like, recalibration for you?

[Alex Moffat]

Good question. It'll take time. Do you feel like you're still recalibrating?

[Ego Wodem]

I know. I feel. I feel cal. I feel recalibrated or calibrated.

[Alex Moffat]

You look like a million bucks. Truly. You look so, like, rested and clear eyed. I mean, you kind of always do.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you.

[Alex Moffat]

And I shouldn't say kind of because you always do, but, you know, at snl, you see people at their, like, most bedraggled worst.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm so tired.

[Alex Moffat]

Like, we all just crawled out of, like, a subway tunnel with pizza rat. But you look truly like a million bucks. You seem recalibrated. I mean, I can answer this if you want.

[Ego Wodem]

I'd be curious what you.

[Alex Moffat]

How did I recalibrate? I mean, I do think that it's almost like a little bit of a grieving of death, because it's a death of, like, a part of your life, a part of your career. I mean, they'll have you back to do things. I've been back to do one or two things, but. But, like, it's. I don't know about. For you. It was like, literally my dream job. My dream job. The only job I ever wanted. So the fact that that era was over is sort of something that, you know, I think takes a little bit of sort of, you know, processing.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

I don't know if you're a therapy gal.

[Ego Wodem]

I am a therapy gal. Can you not tell I'm a therapist?

[Alex Moffat]

I would have assumed so, but my

[Ego Wodem]

books and myself and my therapy. I'm sick of myself.

[Alex Moffat]

Well, I Hear you. I get that, believe me. But, yeah, I think almost treating it like the end of an era, like, God, that was cool. That was amazing. And I need to be able to be okay with the fact that I don't have to. That I don't get to do that show anymore. That adrenaline rush on, like, a Saturday night. Did you feel. Was it fun for you on a Saturday night to do that show?

[Ego Wodem]

I love being in front of a live audience. I love it. I love it. So there's nothing like it. And the unpredictability of it all.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

Thrilling. Like drugs, even.

[Alex Moffat]

Like drugs.

[Ego Wodem]

Like drugs. It's like, there's nothing like that feeling.

[Alex Moffat]

So another way of recalibrating is like, okay, how am I gonna get that feeling?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Like, do you want to do some theater?

[Ego Wodem]

That's what you're doing?

[Alex Moffat]

I'm doing.

[Ego Wodem]

Can I ask you, do you want your kids to think in, like, one day, Daddy was on snl. Do you want them to. Do you hope that they think that that's cool?

[Alex Moffat]

I think that there's no way that they don't.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Do I want them to think I don't really care?

[Ego Wodem]

You don't care?

[Alex Moffat]

I think I want them to think I'm cool, actually. Even that I'm like, who cares? Who cares? Cool is the dumbest thing in the world, right? Yeah. You know what I mean?

[Ego Wodem]

I do know what you mean.

[Alex Moffat]

But I think again, see my comments about my dad, who truly, like, I thought he was so cool because he truly didn't give a shit what people thought. And I think so. I think my kids will probably think it's pretty cool that I was on snl. But whether they do or not, or they'll be like that old stinky institution that had Trump hosts the year before he got elected. No, thanks, dad. You were on a part of the Machine.

[Ego Wodem]

That's a different podcast. No, thanks, dad.

[Alex Moffat]

No, no, thanks, dad.

[Ego Wodem]

And your kids are gonna host it. We have to give a listener advice.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, okay.

[Ego Wodem]

Okay.

[Alex Moffat]

Did we talk about you enough?

[Ego Wodem]

Plenty.

[Alex Moffat]

Are you kidding me?

[Ego Wodem]

I told you, I'm sick of me. Okay. The guest texted their request for advice.

[Alex Moffat]

Oh, not my real phone number.

[Ego Wodem]

Not my real phone number. This is a real. This is a real ask. Okay, so hi, Ego. And I'm gonna say and guest. Cause they know I'm gonna bring the question to the guest. I was at Target and holding hands, all caps with my ex. Now they're trying to text me, what should I do? Block. Sorry. Normally I volley the question to the guests. I didn't.

[Alex Moffat]

You had your own opinion.

[Ego Wodem]

Visceral reaction. Knee jerk block.

[Alex Moffat]

There's no excuse.

[Ego Wodem]

Sorry. I have no tolerance.

[Alex Moffat]

Okay.

[Ego Wodem]

Loyalty really matters to me.

[Alex Moffat]

I hear you.

[Ego Wodem]

Literally no excuse. Now they're trying to text me, and when they say they're trying to text me, is it the friend trying to. Is it the ex on a text? Is it both trying to text?

[Alex Moffat]

I assumed it was the friend.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

Did the friend. Did the friend see that you saw them with? Seems like the ex. Probably, yeah. They're holding hands. They're, like, picking out toothpaste or condoms. And then they look over and they're like, ah, crap. Whoops. And now. Now the friend is gonna be like, hey, so what you saw, like, I also think. I mean, when you say, this is your best friend. How long have you been best friends? I feel like people throw that around all the time.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm not even into the best friend qualifier, by the way. You might hear me use it as a quick throwaway. But, like, at my core and part of my ethos, I don't. Best friend. What is that? Like? I don't. What is. I mean, I suppose I understand what it is, but I'm like, we don't have to do that. And I do think people throw a best friend around anything, even friend. And I'm guilty of. For sure. Throwing friend around you.

[Alex Moffat]

What? You're guilty of it?

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. I'll just be like, oh, my friend. Because it's concise. It's whatever, and it's.

[Alex Moffat]

Yeah. And it seems like a compliment. Yeah, in a way.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. Yeah, it does. But what. So what are you gonna tell them? You're gonna tell them to engage with the text? What, could it hurt their feelings? It could hurt their feelings.

[Alex Moffat]

It could hurt their feelings. But I, you know, I think. Yeah, just. I think also blocking. I think. Yeah, that is. That's a very valid way of doing it. But you could also just engage and be like, hey, yeah, I saw that. I don't. That. That. That did hurt my feelings. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna take. Take some space.

[Ego Wodem]

I think that's fair, I think. Do that and then block.

[Alex Moffat]

Sure.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah.

[Alex Moffat]

If it. If it's helpful, I think. I don't think. I don't think you have to engage so much that then it, like, rules your life. Yeah.

[Ego Wodem]

They're trying to text you.

[Alex Moffat]

Move on.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. And if they're trying to text you in a way that's like. Like, I'm not trying to address what you saw, and I'm just gonna be like, hey, hey, what are you doing? You should be like, hey, you're texting because of this. I saw that. I think you saw me see you, whatever it is. And I want to say that that's really. Is very uncool.

[Alex Moffat]

Yes.

[Ego Wodem]

I express what you want to express, and then I think you don't have to engage. It doesn't have to be an actual block in the phone.

[Alex Moffat]

Right. Mental. But also I would say the person. Yeah, the person. The person who wrote in, who's receiving these texts. They can say truly whatever they want about their feelings, about what they saw, because the discomfort lies with the best friend.

[Ego Wodem]

Yeah. And that's what we call a full circle moment. I had to open my legs wide. That is huge.

[Alex Moffat]

That's what we do.

[Ego Wodem]

That's what we do.

[Alex Moffat]

I'm gonna give a little moose Knuckle to the iHeartMedia.

[Ego Wodem]

Keep it in. Do not cut. That.

[Alex Moffat]

Do not cut. That was me, by the way.

[Ego Wodem]

I'm not saying absolutely mothman. I absolutely love you.

[Alex Moffat]

I love you.

[Ego Wodem]

Thank you for doing this. Thank you for being here.

[Alex Moffat]

And so now this in intermission.

[Ego Wodem]

Yes.

[Alex Moffat]

And then now we'll be back. Great. I love you too. Aygo. Thanks for having me.

[Ego Wodem]

Of course. He'll be in a different outfit. I'll be in a different outfit.

[Alex Moffat]

Cheers.

[Ego Wodem]

Salud. It's bad luck, supposedly. But what is luck?

[Alex Moffat]

What is luck?

[Ego Wodem]

What is luck?

[Alex Moffat]

Baby, don't hurt me. Don't hurt me no more.

[Ego Wodem]

That was so fun. Personally, I hope you enjoyed it. I don't know. I say that at the end of every episode. I'm sure you enjoyed it because if you've watched to the end, surely you. You were intrigued. That felt like a house hang. The equivalent of a house hanging someone I had a house hang with. How special is that? When I first got to New York and got to snl. Love that for me. Anyway, we'll be back. But listen, if you want advice from me and my guest, you're gonna have to call me and you're gonna have to leave a message. It's no problem. The number is 502-849-3237. That's 502-849-323-7502. Thanks, THX dads. Bye, Y'. All. Thanks dad. Is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and I hope Heart podcast. I'm your host, Ego Wodem. Our producer is Kevin Bartelt and our executive producer is Matt Apodac.