On this episode of That UFO Podcast, I’m joined by Bryce Zabel and Brent Friedman to discuss the launch of their new podcast, Sound, Light, Frequency.

Bryce returns to the show, while Brent makes his first appearance, and together we get into a wide-ranging conversation on Dark Skies, Hollywood, disclosure, insider influence, and how entertainment may have shaped public perception of the UFO topic for decades.

We discuss Brent’s remarkable early experience being briefed by a figure connected to the Reagan administration, the mysterious approaches made to them around Dark Skies, whether those kinds of quiet conversations are still happening today, and what they now believe about the subject after years of working around it.

We also talk about the new podcast, why now felt like the right time to launch it, what they hope to do with it, and how they see the current state of UFO disclosure in 2026.

This is a fascinating discussion on storytelling, secrecy, media, and the ever-blurring line between fiction and reality.

You can find Sound, Light, Frequency wherever you get your podcasts.

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