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Roswell Week, Legacy Program Pressure & The “Something Is Coming” UFO Rumour Cycle
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Roswell anniversary week was always going to bring rumor, but this year the timing is impossible to ignore. We have got Annapolina Luna saying an announcement is coming soon. David Grusch talked about a 60 to 90 day window of which we're getting towards that 90 day period. Eric Burleson says Congress has forced Lincoln Labs to confirm the existence of an important 1952 UEP audio file. Lou Elizondo is being pressed over his potential role in the UAP legacy program. Ross Coulter is not backing down on that one. UAP gerb has HAL put off clarifying what did and did not end when it comes to the UAP legacy programs. And of course Dr. Stephen Greer gets in on the act and calls for a global bypass of the U.S. disclosure process. So what are we actually watching right now folks? Is this real momentum? Is it a controlled drip feed or is it another cycle of soon? This is the week where Roswell's history, congressional pressure, mainstream media infighting and soft disclosure of all seem to collide. A lot of smoke here folks. Now we need to fire. Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO podcast. As always, my name is Andy and thanks for joining me on what's a pretty busy news update. There's been so many stories happening over the last week and I think about to happen in the coming days. I thought this was a really good chance to, to get something out because so many of you have been in touch on various platforms asking for comments on various different news stories. And I kept putting this off because something else was happening every other day. I thought it was a good time and place to just spend the weekend, get a recording done. Especially when so many of you out there are going to be celebrating your fourth of July holiday. Weekends, of course, when the US saved the world from annihilation from non human entities with Will Smith, Bill Pullman and co. Still the goat of UFO movies. Independence Day, folks. So if you're watching that this weekend, let me know what you think. Does it still hold up? But this is a big week. It has been a big week and I think we've got a big week coming up as the anniversary of the Roswell crash. Well, one of the anniversary dates. So a lot of symbolism I think around us at the moment. And it's always back in UFO circles out in New Mexico there is the big festival right now. The famous public moment is July 8, 1947, when of course the Roswell Army Field press release said they had recovered a flying disc. Of course they then went to backtrack on that. The story famously, they say, no, no, it was actually a weather balloon, you know, and we know from there the COVID up began. But the real story didn't really begin on July 11th. I'm not doing a whole Roswell show here, folks. I've done various ones of those in the past. But many versions of the story take it back to early June. That is partly where the official Project Mogul weather balloon explanation came in because balloons were launched around that time. It was alleged around mid June when Mac Brazil actually found the debris on the farm. It wasn't reported till later in the month into early July. So Roswell is certainly not one clean date. It's a messy chain of events, as we know. Alleged crash debris ranch discovery, you know, military recoveries, flying desk headlines, of course, really famously, I'd love to get one of those posters for the, for the shed and then the whole balloon walk back thing. And we've been here fighting about it ever since, haven't we? So yeah, but I think this year a lot of folks are pointing to this because for many, many months, largely down to director Mark Christopher Lee, the King of UFOs Twitter account. And let's be fair, actually, sorry, let me just say, in my opinion, has been full of shit because since I had him on the podcast within hours after that, his whole story sort of unraveled. He's been seeing that Bob Bigelow was in touch with him, telling him Trump had a disclosure speech written and it was coming out. George Knapp then said he spoke to Bob Bigelow who said that was utter nonsense. He was not in touch with a guy. So, yeah, yeah, I would love to get that UAP disclosure speech happen on the 8th of July, folks, you know, color me pink and tickle my butt, whatever they say. If that does happen, I'll be over the moon. Right. If we, if we get that speech on the 8th of July, Donald Trump comes out and says some kind of major UEP announcement. But I'm interested on the date, but I see it coming and going with nothing happening in terms of that. So yeah, it could be we get another drop on that date. We're still waiting on the fourth drop of UAP files and videos happening if indeed that is going to happen. It's frustrating, isn't it? We, we don't have a concrete date with these tranches, as people like to call them. All the drops of files, they just seem to happen. It was meant to be every two weeks, then every couple of weeks, but we've had a two or three and now at least a four week gap between drops. So, yeah, I'm not saying that nothing is going to happen. There's clearly movement around the whole subject right now, especially with the Avi Loeb Security Council. Remember I've got Dr. Michael Schemer on the podcast this week who's really controversially attached to it. Luna's comments about something coming soon. She was on the, the Glenn Beck Show. I'm going to get to that in a second. And yeah, a lot of rumors around this, this week and what may or may not happen, but as always, it's the UFO topic. We could be sitting here in a week's time saying, well, another date has come and gone, but it would be nice if there was a change on that. Let's get into the Annapolina Luna comments then we're going to start there because there's so much to cover off in this particular show. She has said publicly something is coming in the following days. I'm going to play a very quick clip from Annapolina Luna on the Glenn Beck Show. So I'll play that for you now. Do you know something that has not been released? Do you know things that you feel the American people should know? There will be an announcement soon on one other kind of factor to all this. So there we go, folks. As you heard, Anna Polina Luna was asked directly whether she knows things that have not been released. She says there will be an announcement soon, which she thinks, and the wording is interesting here for me, she thinks will help assure people the phenomenon is real. She then said, without a doubt, the phenomenon is real. I'm not too sure where Luna falls on this because in the same video, it's a couple of minutes long, she says that the, the meat and potatoes, again, you know, a lot of that stuff has been released. But then in the next line, we're hearing that something else is coming soon. She has said before the bulk of the interesting stuff essentially has been released, and that's just not true because Burleson, Burchett, Moskowitz, Marco Rubio and so many others have said this is literally the tip of the iceberg in terms of content. So I'm not too sure the game that Luna is playing in all of this as she and I have to just put these things out there. Is she literally a little bit confused? Is she only privy to certain things that others haven't been exposed to? Perhaps she didn't want to be exposed to a lot of the content for plausible deniability, but she seems quite certain in what she says. So, like I say, on one hand we're getting some really good stuff coming down the pipeline. On the other, don't be too excited because most of the good stuff's out and we just know that little bit's not true. So, yeah, for me, it does tie in with the fact David Grush said around 60 odd days ago now that we were going to have something coming within the next 60 to 90 days that he is working on, he is a part of that is going to really help move this forward. And he wasn't alluding to video drops and file drops. It seems to be something else. So that for me would tie in with what Luna said. Honestly, I've got folks asking me what do I think it will be. At this point, I'm not entirely sure. I don't think it's going to be photographic. I don't think it's going to be video. It sounds like it's something else. And if it's, if it's something a little bit left field, that could really help with the legitimacy of the topic. It could help move things forward. And that, that wording from Luna to talk about this, this phenomenon is real. I wonder what that could be. Are we going to get Trump saying something on it? Will it be in four or five days time on the 8th of July around the Roswell anniversary, we'll find out sooner than later because that 90 day window is going to come and go pretty quickly. So I'm intrigued to see what happens on that one folks on this, a lot of folks have asked me a little bit, keeping with Annapolina Luna, to talk about the MK ULTRA hearing that happened last Tuesday. Now I covered this a couple of times on various podcasts in the last month or two what MK ULTRA was and the hearing was about historic CIA abuse, about mind control experimentation, destroyed records, accountability. And it matters because it shows Congress is willing to revisit historic secrecy and state abuse, but it's not directly tied to uap. So while this is really interesting for me, right, and I'm liking seeing stuff like this happening as the side quest right now necessary when you're hoping that the the Secrets Task force with Luna, Burchett and co who were involved in this, Nancy Mace and others. Do we need this when we're trying to get the UFO UAP thing sorted out? Is this just not something else to add on to your plate right now that you don't really need? You know, you're going to a buffet and you're going to load up with a couple of the same thing. You don't put Chinese food, Indian food and you know, British breakfast all on the same plate. It gets a bit weird. Let's stick to what we know here folks, right? That's probably my worst ever analogy. But you know, it just seems we're loading the plate up with so many different things here that don't quite match or are required at the same time. Stick, stick to what we're doing unless there is some kind of link down the line. But it really didn't seem like that that was the case. So for me, if the main issue we're sticking to on this podcast and many of you listening to this and watching this want to know, you know, it's non human material, it's gatekeepers, contractors, private contractors, who's. Who's storing craft, who's keeping bits of biologics? Do folks know that we're being visited by something else? Do we need this hearing on MK Ultra right now? The answer is probably no. And I think their time could be used much better focusing on one aspect to themselves. So yeah, let me know your thoughts on that one folks. But for me, MK Ultra hearing should have been kept for down the line. Another time certainly. And that brings us to one of the biggest news stories probably of the year, because I think this is going to have legs and keep moving on. And that's Ross Coulthard and Lou Elizondo's back and forward. Because this is exactly the question that Ross Coultart's pushing around about who was involved in that Legacy crash retrieval program and what do they know? This has always been considered for many the holy grail of the UFO topic. Crash retrievals and retrieved biologics, bodies of pilots. I get a little bit over the top of that sometimes with the language because it's everything that people use these days. But alien spaceships, alien bodies, let's keep it plain and simple. That's what we're talking about here. So, of course, last week you'll have heard when Pavel was on with me from Secoactivo podcast, we discussed Ross Coulthard claiming that Lou Elizondo was connected to the Legacy program. Now, Ross's argument wasn't just that Lou knows stuff, it was that Lou Elizondo has not been fully forthcoming about the true nature of his past roles. I think for many folks, Lou was brought on board with ATEP or sorry, OS app at the very end days of the program that when they were trying to get it to go full time and a proper budget, proper black budget SAP. I'm no garb, I'm not going to pretend to know all the lingo, but they were trying to get that program to be made official and that was the one put off and all that we're working on. Lou came in late on. It went to shit. They didn't get the permissions. They wanted it sort of disbanded, but Lou carried it on in the guise of atip. And that's where we know Lou from. His role with a tip, his work with a tip. A sort of official unofficial program. But it was legitimate, it was real. There was work being done. However, the conversation does change and a lot of the focuses now change around Lou Elizondo's direct knowledge has role within a tip. If he was indeed part of the Legacy program. But then also there was a period of time when a lot of folks were curious around Lou leaving his role. He resigned. There was this idea that he was putting himself out there. He lost a lot of money. There was a lot of sympathy for Lou. But now folks are wondering, well, if he was part of the Legacy program and indeed potentially still as part of whatever that was. There's a lot of gray areas now in Louis Elizondo's story. Maybe his second book clarifies that. I very much doubt it. I don't think his first book pointed very much to him being part of a legacy program, but so there was clearly a lot of emissions there potentially understandably though, given the NDAs that would be involved and everything like that. Elizondo responded on Chris Cuomo on News Nation. So interesting that Ross Coulthardt makes the allegations initially on News Nation. Lou goes on to Chris Cuomo on News Nation. And folks, I've invited both Lou and Ross on at various points over the last couple of weeks and months. I think it's fair to say Ross largely sticks to his own show these days. I hope to get him back on in the future and, and he's a busy guy. And Louis Liz Ondo again, he's a busy guy but seems to stick to certain news programs and that's it. So it's one of those things I'll keep trying to get folks on as difficult though sometimes he was respectful of Ross and his comeback on on Chris Cuomo show. He did not deny the allegation though. And one of the things that people picked up was that he said, you know, I won't confirm or deny and for many folks we always treat that as a well, that's a yes then, isn't it? It's a sneaky way, a clever of saying yes. Elizondo himself said, though, that that's not the case. He said even being part of a program or having an awareness of a program or an aspect of it can mean it's classified and you're not allowed to talk about it. He used an analogy about a program involving a tank that a particular department may or may not be aware of. I do understand that, but for me, Ross is being very direct with us. Very, very direct. And that's the tricky balance here. Lou isn't saying Ross is wrong. I was never part of the legacy program. But he's also made clear his inability to answer shouldn't be read. His confirmation. Ross Coulter has then come back and responded on that Ross has made the point that Lou did not deny it. Ross says that Lou was clearly being careful with his security oath and I'm just making some, some points here from Ross's rebuttal. Ross repeated that there comes a time when Lou needs to be forthcoming about his past roles. Ross says Lou's tone has changed in recent years, especially after Grush, and I agree with that in multiple ways and I've said that on the podcast in recent times, months and years. And Ross suggests that Grusch may have put enough on the record that Elizondo can now say a little bit more. And finally, Ross mentioned his frustration at Congress not focusing hard enough on recovered material craft and the core allegations. So whether you trust Lou, you like Lou or you don't like Lou Elizondo and the central issue is still what has the US Covered, where is it, who controls it and who is blocking Congress. And again, this is why I'm a little bit meh non non plussed with the MK Ultra hearing. We did not need that right now. Not necessarily UFO related, but the folks are really championing this topic. The Luna Burchett Burleson and company could they just Ideally for me, this is a plea for me folks. Spend the time on the UFO stuff when you seem to be trying to make progress and headway
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Refreshers contain caffeine. Sticking with Elizondo, he appeared in this Time with Tim Burett on the Sean Hannity Podcast which takes the conversation from from UFO podcasts, humble UFO podcasts like this folks, which if you're watching on YouTube definitely require your likes, your comments on the main video, your subscriptions. That would really be appreciated. I'm dropping this and now but even if you're on the free feeds, the paid feeds, reviews, likes, comments, any sharing on audio or YouTube is massively helpful. So if you're watching this right now, go leave a like if you're listening to it on Spotify or Apple or Patreon, jump onto the YouTube channel and leave a like any interaction really makes a big, big difference. So if I'm spending my Friday and Saturday preparing this, hopefully you're enjoying it enough to leave it that little like greatly appreciated folks. But like I say, it's moving into that bigger mainstream conservative audience again on the Sean Hannity Show. Little sidebar for you. Very quick sidebar. I remember in the early days of having access to the Internet and AOL back in the day and I went looking because I used to enjoy as a geeky kid talk radio and I used to listen to talk sport and talk radio quite a lot and still do and that's why I've got into podcasting. I found Sean Hannity online and used to listen to it late at night when he had his, one of his very early shows as a kid who didn't really understand a whole lot of the politics of what was being talked about. But I used to enjoy it, the glory days of the Internet folks back in the day. But anyway, sorry, Burchett and Elizondo on Sean Hannity. So for me it matters because of the platform. A lot of the conversation are things we are familiar with. They touched on the COVID up, intimidation, hidden records, possible exotic materials, FOIA gaps, pilots, nuclear sites and Trump era transparency. Of course, we know both of these gentlemen. Burchett is a particularly big proponent of Donald Trump, so is Louis Elizondo, and they can't say enough good things about him. So I don't think the Hannity appearance necessarily gave us the most detailed new information of the week. But it matters because of where and when it happened and this build of the mainstream covering this topic. And fair play to Sean Hannity, he was quite informed and involved and his interest in the UAP topic and he took it very seriously. So yeah, the timing's interesting, Lou being pressed by Coulter about his own possible role in the legacy programs while also going on Hannity to argue the broader secrecy structure is real. It's an interesting kind of dichotomy, if that's the right word there. I think a hope of that kind of being placed side by side. And if Hannity is the mainstream version, fresh freedom. Eric Burleson's podcast was the technical version because Eric Burleson sat down with Gerb, Hal Puthoff and Avi Loeb and this is where things got very specific. And I'm going to give you the high level, non Gerb version of what went down. So a lot of folks have been praising UAP Gerb for this episode and I can see why. And many of you listening to this will know who Gerb is and I'm hoping to have him on the podcast real soon for an interview. If you're unfamiliar very quickly. Gerb is a bit of a savant in terms of how much he knows, not necessarily just about the UFO topic, but the connections. And you know that Charlie Day meme from all of a sudden in Philadelphia, one of the great comedies of all time, folks, where he's pointing at the spider web on the wall and he's like crazy look in his eye and he's got all the dots connected. Gerb can do that for departments, programs, names, officials, dates, times, places, contractors. It's ridiculous. How he pulls this stuff off the top of his head is not normal. And I Salute Gerb for what he is able to do. He is the anti me in terms of having a good memory for this kind of stuff. Right. Gerb asked very, very specific questions, like mechanically good questions about specific classification systems, programs, contractors, gatekeepers, institutions and HAL put off. You know, who's a very well known and respected scientist, especially involved in the UFO topic, the Stargate program back in the 70s. He sat there alongside Avi Loeb. A few key things I'll point out here for you because I would recommend you go and watch that. That full podcast folks. Gerb asked whether the Department of Energy could be a place to hide exotic or anomalous material because it sits under a different classification structure. Puthoff agreed that the DOE has its own security system and would need to be pursued separately. This isn't a new line and this is one that needs to be kept and brought up regularly though. This is stuff. Tim McMillan, Lieutenant Tim McMillan who is CO creator and founder of the Debrief, has been a big proponent of this now for some time. Tim doesn't dig as much into the UFO topic as he did four or five, six years ago, which is a shame because I love Tim's work. Really good guy. I'll need to get him back on the podcast down the line and. But yeah, that was something we talked about in the past. But yeah, he's putting put off on the spot here G and put off at times. I don't agree with others that he was sweating or anything like that and I'll come to that soon. But he, he asked some good questions, maybe almost at times too specific and we could have done with a little bit of moderation around that because Gerb's so knowledgeable. You could do with someone perhaps filtering the questions a little bit the to be a little bit more digestible for not only the person answering but the people listening. I think there's a really nice happy medium that could be done there. I'll always happily volunteer for that. You're probably better with a Joe Rogan platform. To be fair folks. If you got Gerb, Rogan and a few other folks all involved in some kind of panel. So yeah, but the deal restricted data, atomic energy authorities, classification systems that Congress cannot crack through normal routes would be the ideal place for a lot of this to set. He talked OS app versus atip. This is where Puthov tripped up a little bit. Okay. Whether you think it was deliberate or not, I'll leave up to you folks. Puthoff said that OS app was the structured funded program trying to get answers. While ATIP was more of the follow on or semi official continuation, not funded in any way the same way. And that's what I've just repeated before anyway. And that's something again we've known for a couple of years but Puthov definitely separated them as programs and other times people try and blur them and, and mix them together I think especially when all that information came out back in the day. Gerb asked whether Avi Loeb's new council could become another Robertson panel, which was a body for some of you who don't know, used to reduce public concern and explain things away. Put off in Loeb pushed back with Loeb saying he considered whether he is being used, but currently believes that is genuine cooperation. Now that's a fair line. But yeah, Loeb says he does not think so, but it's something people with us are really going to keep an eye on with the Security Council about not necessarily the quality of work they do, but just in general what comes out from them, the tone of the work and what they're allowed to see. Remember, the Security Council folks aren't being given access to classified information. So there's potentially a bit of a, bit of a holding back there already. They touched on gatekeepers. Now put off described gatekeepers as people whose job it is to make sure the deep legacy program does not get exposed. When asked if they are unelected individuals, he says yes, security type folks, that's one of the cleanest moments. The term gatekeeper gets thrown around a lot. But Puthoff describes them as unelected security types whose job is to keep the deep legacy program from coming to light. Right. To make a point on that. And that's for me, where we don't know how much of the legacy program is exposed. We can make a lot of assumptions. We, we know it's a bit of a holy grail, but for all we know it could also be a partial or major distraction from other real aspects of this topic that are still kept covered up, that still have not seen the light of day. And this is where I would love to speak to Gerb and get to know, you know, how does he separate the things he has learned that are fact from the things he has learned that are speculative, but also the things even he can't be sure are legitimate routes to go down. And this is something I wonder as I watch this conversation and I would love to hear from you. If you're on YouTube, comment, if you're on any audio platform, please get in touch with me on this one. But as I watched this I did wonder as Puthoff getting trapped or caught up or caught out as some folks are trying to say, or as he speaking around things that he knows Gerb is perhaps on the cusp of or getting close to, but he's not quite near or not quite right. And that is no slight on on Gerb and his knowledge or has research but put off then doesn't want to bring in. You know, if Gerv's talking about A, B and C put offs like yeah, but it's E, F, J, L and R and W and X that other real interesting things that none of you are even talking about, but he doesn't want to bring those in. I just wonder like there's a lot of assumed knowledge and speculative knowledge and GERB's probably the best guy right now to come on any podcast. He's got his own great show as well and talk about that kind of stuff. I would love to know the gaps, the gray areas. You know, that's what I'd love to speak to Gab about. And he does such a good job here with put off. I'd love to see. I didn't think we needed to Avi Loeb and then this conversation. I know Garb has added quite late on to it, but I'd have liked to have seen just Garb and put off without anyone else in the background, to be honest. In a longer format, Gap pushed the conversation beyond Lockheed and contractors into some of the stuff like ffrdc, ua, RCS meter, national labs and places where institutional knowledge might set. And the acronyms hurt my head as well, folks. Don't worry. This was probably a real big strategic point and a real strength of GERBS to stop only saying Lockheed look at semi private architecture around government national labs. MITRE is a name that's coming up soon again with Burleson and what he's going after right now. So that may be where the program memory and records set. We don't know how compartmentalized and split up this stuff even as at this point another final key point from the interview Burleson asked whether because remember this was Eric Burleson's podcast that GERB very much took over and he ran with the ball folks. But Burleson asked whether if the Legacy program had physical craft that would accelerate avi's efforts. Avi Loeb said he would like to see it and that the reality be more impressive than the fiction, but they still need to see it. So it's A practical question from Burleson, who is someone working with David Grusch. We know has or we assume has a level of knowledge, an assumed knowledge. If nothing else, if the legacy program has craft, surely that's more useful than starting from scratch with new data. And that's, that's Abby's point, but it's a really fair point. It's a little bit like looking at NASA flying to the moon with rocket propulsion, SpaceX testing all these rockets and spending all this money trying to get off with different propulsion techniques. And you've got the, you've got NASA with the James Webb Telescope looking for things in the universe. You've got Avi Loeb, Security Council starting to look at data to try and work out. But the point is, and I think this is something Ross Coulter alleged earlier that I pointed to, if there are programs literally sitting with alien bodies and alien craft and knowledge already, that's what we need to go after because it totally negates the need for a lot of that other stuff. Because if we do have all this, and I'm sure Elon Musk doesn't want to hear it, a lot of the stuff he's working on has been a waste of time. Jeff Bezos Blue Origin Absolute waste of time other than giving Katy Perry a lifting a space and back. So yeah, this is the thing where there's so much frustration and I understand that with the UFO community. Many of you listening to this and watching this, I think are with me, with me on that. It was a really good debate. I really enjoyed it. You know, new science is good, new sensors are good, but something's already been recovered here, folks. And for Avi Loeb, Congress doesn't need to reinvent the wheel. Do we need this council? And that's probably a frustration for a lot of folks as well. Sticking with a story on Eric Burleson, he talked to Ross Coulter and I'll play a very quick clip for you now on that folks, before I talk and I used. Are you aware that what that reel to reel recording that you now know exists, does it relate to crash retrieval and reverse engineering? Allegedly.
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It's my understanding that without having heard it that it's, it's a U.S. air Force general who is, who is seeking the help and the guidance from some MIT scientists about some phenomenon that was existing and probably is related to the, the sightings over in Washington D.C. before 1952 or in 1954.
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So it goes right back to the
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1952 sightings over Washington.
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That's my that's what we're speculating.
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So Ross Coulthardt was in Washington D.C. as I've said on a few recent podcasts for the Disclosure Forum event that I covered last week. And he managed to sit down with a few folks. He's got a really long form interview coming out with garb, I think in the coming days, even perhaps this holiday weekend for many of you in the States. But he also sat down with Erik Burleson for an interview. It lasted about 21 minutes. The interesting points from that I've got for you here, Burleson telling Ross Coulthard his office is no longer just sending out broad UAP questions. They are now sending very specific interrogatories, named files, dates, locations and descriptions. So agencies, contractors, people answering the requests have less room to dodge. They're asking for something very specifically that if they have it, they should, should be handing it over, folks, so they can't be spurious about. Well, you asked for files on UFOs, but you know, we've got files on UAP or we've got something from this particular date which isn't related to UFOs, but it mentions. No, no, they are now going very specific. Burleson on this. Here's some notes from the interview, folks. Burleson said broad requests do not work. I agree, but we've seen that. He says the better method is to ask for specific files by name, date, description. He compares it to Chuck Grassley forcing the FBI to acknowledge a file once he gave them the exact file number and date. Burleson said this approach has already produced a result with MIT Lincoln Labs. Now at first I think a lot of us potentially thought, and I'll speak for myself then, folks, this was going to be a video from MIT Lincoln Labs. But the file is a 1952 real to real audio file. It does exist and I think they're getting a hold of it. Ross asks if the file has been confirmed. Burleson says, yeah, it has and it's in the process of being declassified and provided to Congress. Ross asks whether it relates to crash retrievals, reverse engineering. And Burleson says without having heard it yet, his understanding is that it involves a U.S. air Force general seeking help from MIT scientists about a phenomenon possibly linked to the Washington 1952 DC sightings. So this could be really interesting for me. This is where Congress need to go with us being more specific, not just asking for, for broad files, videos. They know what they're looking for because I've said before, they have a grush we have a Grush. And right now it seems David Grush is our best opportunity and Congress's best opportunity at getting specifics, at getting to the heart of this. The legacy program. Grush right now needs protected at all costs. And maybe that's why he's best not being the UFO czar guy put in charge of this, that he's maybe more useful outside of that particular role. So, yeah, real interesting one there. When this comes out, it'll be big news. I hope it produces. I really do hope it produces. I'm not too sure what to expect from it. Are we going to get the general using specifics? Will they reference Roswell? Will they mention aliens, non human bodies, different types of craft? Will they say this as in Russian? It's not China, it's not us. I'm really curious on the language and, and I think the language has to be really particular as to how this goes down. Before I get to some listener questions, folks, I've got one more quick news point to touch on because I think I have to be fair with the balance of things. And this was a Dr. Steven Greer. Of course, when there's any sort of major news or progress politically in Washington and elsewhere, Stephen Greer likes to put out his own announcement. And he put out a special global announcement. You know, no hyperbole needed. Stephen Greer released what he called a special global announcement. He says ET civilizations are real, technologically advanced and not hostile. It's been his M.O. from the beginning. He claims they are concerned about nuclear weapons, human violence and environmental damage. And he says secret ET programs or secret programs have studied ET energy, communication and propulsion systems since World War II. I'm not going to spend ages on this, folks. And obviously Greer makes various claims here. Let me play a very quick clip of Stephen Greer from his announcement.
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It is time for us to unite as a people and create that good future. Now, in furtherance of this, I am asking that other nations around the world, including China, Russia, United Kingdom, the European Union, Australia, India, and the nations of South America and other regions come forward with their covert files to the extent they can acquire them and release them as soon as possible.
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So as you've heard from there and through his video, he's calling for other nations, including China, Russia, the us, the uk, European Union, Australia, India, South America, to release covert files and hard evidence. He says he wants dispositive proof, not vague lights in the sky. I shake my head. Given some of the stuff that he has produced and released as. As proof. That's wild. Coming from him. Pot kettle black. He talks about craft bodies, man made reproduction, vehicles, documents, photos, etc. He also says the US disclosure process has been hijacked. Folks will know I'm not the biggest fan of Greer and what he claims and I think back in the day he was quite well connected. Now I really, you know where I stand with Greer. I think he is in this for many of the wrong reasons. I think he's mildly delusional and has, you know, an over inflated sense of himself and that gets in the way of any potentially good messaging with this. And he's so arrogant folks. But I don't want to turn this into agree or bashing as I normally do. And he makes a fair point calling for other countries and insiders to come forward. I just wish as he speaks for the non human intelligences directly it would be handy if they picked someone else, a few other people or perhaps you know, spoke themselves rather than just through Dr. Stephen Greer and his YouTube channel. That would probably help a little bit. But we're in this really strange place for so many worlds right now and the UFO topic are colliding all at once and I wanted your thoughts on this and boy you folks really didn't let me down. So I'm going to read through some of your listener questions now. I'm going to get them appearing on the screen. Many of you know I've just upgraded the recording space I set in. I've got a new boom arm for my mic so my mic's not sitting really awkwardly in front of me anymore and I've got some more space for my hands. I've got a recording studio here that I can control my mic volumes and stuff I've had for two years but I've never been able to use it. I'm hoping the podcast is looking and sounding better than ever right now because I'm using different cables and all that kind of stuff. So hopefully your support, you signing up to memberships and paying for the podcast, listening to the adverts, all that kind of stuff, liking subscribing, commenting, blah blah blah is helping me and you're seeing me put that back into the podcast too. So thank you folks. But listen, let's get through these in no particular order. So Griff says there's been back channel whispers of Lou's involvement in the Legacy program for years. Some go as far as to say he was the boogeyman, others within the program feared. What do you think would be the best outcome for Lou? Come clean or have a journalist rip the band aid off by reporting who he really is and what he's done. That that boogeyman comment is interesting because I know recently when Pavel was on and others Pavel's quite well connected and well sourced in this. He has a journalist folks by trade and he says there are many whistleblowers who afflue Elizondo is appointed into that UFO czar position. UFO guy whistleblowers, some of them do not want to come forward and go through him. So that points to a potential issue with him being in that role. So I'm not too sure because so many folks support Louis Lizondo and what he has done to get the topic where it is. Other folks have never liked the fact he was a counter intelligence guy once counter intel, always counter intel. And now we've got this fact that we've had one story or narrative for Lou over the years and potentially there's another aspect to it with the legacy program connection and that's a real big piece of the puzzle to have not been in there before. So yeah, I don't know. Ross Coulter's comments and timing are also very interesting on this too. Now there's every chance given Lou and Ross's relationship and how friendly they still are even publicly. Have they colluded to do this as Lou encouraging Ross to say it now and try and get things moving? I don't know. I really don't know. Or as Ross, just the dog with the bit between his teeth who isn't wanting to let go of an interesting part of the story? I don't know. I'd love to know people's thoughts on this. And if you leave comments on YouTube, I can get those. And if you're, if you're on the audio platforms, get in touch with me and I can use those for next week's show. Val Thor over on YouTube said China and Russia are distinctly, almost suspiciously quiet. Why do we not hear a peep for from these countries? Or am I just not looking in the right places? Do you know what? They are quiet? China, I think, is historically quiet on this kind of stuff. And Russia, I just think is a little bit better at keeping this stuff secret. I suppose what they don't have are whistleblowers coming forward and speaking out. Especially in those regimes you tend to fall out of windows. You know, bad things happen to you. But then we're in a place right now where we have These missing scientists, McCasland and others continually coming out. And I think Eric Burleson recently said no Burchett recently said on the Sean Hannity show, I'm pretty sure it was at least 14. And he said, yeah, let's go with 14, implying it was even more people connected to UAP and propulsion and programs have gone missing or have turned up not alive. So perhaps there are elements like that in the United States, but in those other countries I think they're just a little bit better at keeping this quiet. But I've got to say I appreciate how not good the US as a keeping this particular thing quiet. Or at least they are controlling the narrative. I think for me that the easiest and maybe laziest answer is the US is just the country that's farthest ahead with us who have made the most progress and right now have the folks who are most exposed to this that are coming forward that that may be a good way to put it. Quarrelsome B How are we supposed to analyse and filter what is known or claimed at this point in time without devolving into tribalism and camps my guys versus your guys mindset that sets aside objective discussion? We can't believe everything, but we know we can't disbelieve it all either. I know that isn't a fresh or unique point of view, but I've been trying to figure out where I land in it all. The thing I hear the loudest, the thing I hear most frequently. Yeah, it's a really good point. And all I'll say to that is people like myself and many others out there who do podcasts or journalists on this are trying our best to do the same. And can I wade through and report it? And I like to think even when I've got my own opinions on this, which I do enjoy sharing with all of you, I want people to make up their own mind. Never let someone like me come across and tell you what to believe or what not to believe, who to like, who not to like or trust. I'm just trying to report things as I see them and let folks like you quarrelsome B and others try and work this out because we are in the weeds. This is so messy. This is so muddy at this point of the UAP conversation. I have always said try and keep your opinion fluid, listen to everyone, but make up your own mind. And I think an interesting point, I can't remember if this comes up later and listener questions or not, but I I've said recently, right now for a lot of folks, Louis Elizondo was potentially becoming a bit of a villain with a narrative emerging around him and the topic but for a long time, for many, he was the hero. Not for everyone, but for many folks. And I, I quoted Batman, the movie where two face as it was, Harvey Dent says, you either die the hero or live long enough. Long enough to see yourself become the villain. And is that just what happens with most topics, including UFOs, where the longer you are here, you're built up, you're built up, you're built up. And then the general public, like with any celebrity, does nothing more than to build a champion up and then see them fall and pull them down. And I don't know if that's just the same with the UFO topic too. Are we going to be here in a couple of years when something comes out about David Grusch and a connection to the legacy program or something he then got involved in and we are back to square one? I don't know. I really don't know. I hope not. But I think it's. It's a difficult time and place for anyone to come into the UFO topic and land squarely on a narrative and who to support. I think you just have to look at the big picture. We are at a place where we are hearing a lot of huge statements and conversations being made in the mainstream media and the huge political arenas by huge political names, academic names, celebrity names in various different fields. And we just have to see where it goes. I really hope it keeps going forward at the rate it is. I hope it continues to give us new information. But I also understand other people's frustrations around that and potential perceived lack of information. Okay, dog behavior makes the point here. Here's more optimistic. It's the little bubbles before it all comes to a boil in July. Hold on. Because there is a there, there. And yeah, perhaps this is going to be a big month where we take a leap forward. It certainly seems, for all intents and purposes, if you go off of Grush's comments in early me, the drops of UFO information, the comments from Burleson, Burchett, Luna, the frustrations, something's coming that is going to maybe not change the whole conversation. And a great way could be good, could be bad, could be, you know, both. But something's going to come to help us shape or give us direction. Maybe that's what's what's coming down the pipeline and perhaps we need a little bit more direction right now. MJ Jump said, I like Lou and I like Ross. They both have done a tremendous amount for this topic. As far as crash retrievals go, people have been discussing them for decades. Leonard Stringfield is the crash retrieval og. I'm sick of waiting for the public to catch up. MJ I think there's still an element of the public are going to have to catch up with us at some point, but probably not until something majorly official comes out or gets released. And then that's the job of science, academia, the governments to get people caught up. And that's where people like you, people like me and people listening to and watching this are in a good place to help people in the public get caught up and get involved in the topic and know know where to look, know who to listen to, know what to listen for. I think would be really, really important. So people like you listening to and watching this are going to have a part as and when things move forward with this topic? Absolutely. Jacob said, stuff was crazy this week. I can't help but ask myself why is this all happening now? Are they going to use the hype around USA 250th anniversary as a buffer moment to bring this all out? Is there actually something on its way here and the clock has almost run out. Excited to hear what Grush says on cnn. So yeah, timing wise, I think I've alluded to that enough, Jacob, that I don't know, but it just seems to be there as a kind of boiling point coming as something on its way here. I don't think that's the case. I think you'd more likely have something already here waiting to kind of come out. David Grush did record an interview with Jake, Jake Tapper, Jake Trapper that was due to be aired on CNN and it got pulled recently. So it has been recorded and is ready to air. You just not quite yet. I don't know if it was Iran or whatever got that interview pulled, but there is another David Grusch interview coming down the pipeline, folks. A few more questions from you then and points. Eric says, is it just me or is anyone else getting beyond frustrated with soft disclosure? They keep hinting at exotic technology and potential alternative life forms but are offering no real evidence. Seems like another runaround just like the Epstein files. I think you can see the frustration, Eric, and hear the frustration from the folks like Burleson, Burchett, Luna, where especially Burchett and Burleson where they seem to know they've got this glass ceiling but they can see through the glass ceiling. They can see what's on the other side. They know what's on the other side and they're just hammering as best they can. We hope to try and get as to that next point, but it just seems like perhaps we've come so far and it just needs something else to break through that line again. In the next couple of weeks, I think we're going to know kind of where we stand politically on this topic. I said before the third drop would tell us where we were with the UFO file releases. I think it did. You know, I don't think we should put too much faith in what's coming down the line with those unless something changes. But also Grush made those comments about 60 to 90 days. It's going to be in July at some point. And so here we are. Brian says you'll only hear what they want you to hear. When one controls the knowledge, they never give up all their secrets. Yep, totally fair. K.R. lou is very clearly covering something up. I wish he would just cut the crap and say, look, I can't discuss some things versus trying to pretend like some victim. That's of course personal opinion from kr, but I think very fair opinion. Everyone gets their say on this. I don't think you're going to get. Elizondo does also especially. And this is where the point made earlier where Coulter said Lou had changed tone in the last few years. I think he has and it can be quite hyperbolic at times or quite vague and allude to things I've almost felt at times. Is it for dramatic effect or not? Because on one hand it's he can't discuss either way and other times he hints at things and it's like, well, what is it? I'm not too sure. And again, this whole situation with the Legacy program stuff, we're not going to know more until Cool Tart or someone else exposes that or Lou comes out and clears things up. Scottish trumpet guy, cool name. The Scottish are very popular right now with a lot of the Americans, as we always have been, of course. So much to catch up on. There's never been so much activity on the topic but. And it's going to remain a large fly in the ointment. Where's the rest of the world on this? Nowhere. I'm wondering now if somewhere in the relevant past, say after 1947, the rest of the world just signed all of this over to the usa, Possibly because post war they were really the only country not reeling from the destruction of infrastructure and society. Like a lot of the world, the war was good for America. I liked in your recent chat with Pavel where you highlighted that idea. The idea that. Sorry, you highlighted the idea that behind the scenes powers are trying to get everything lined up probably in the aim of self preservation. In fact, this could probably be said the same for the Epstein issue. I think a lot of what's going on in your question is dialing in on the finer points of how this topic is actually progressing. Question back for you. What have been the biggest UFO sightings of 2026 so far? Are you aware of that? Crop circles appear to be on the increase Again, loving the show as always. Keep it up at crop circles. I would always recommend following folks like Karen Alexander online and her work is really interesting. Karen's been on the podcast a few times. I've seen some really cool crop circles just today that have been posted when I was looking at X as certainly the season for it. Of course the crops are growing back in various places in the UK and regarding the biggest UFO sightings of 2026 so far, I don't think I've seen any one particular thing online that I've been able to say was particularly wonderful. I think it would have to be Some of the stuff from the videos obviously go back a few years. The UFO drops, but the issue is with with X and Facebook and Instagram. The AI. The advent of AI just opens up so many doors that what does good look like or what does real look like? I would love folks to send me some really good ones. If you think there's been some really good stuff this year and you you really don't think it's questionable, then send me it over because I'd love to see it and I'll even do a Little show on YouTube where I where I talk through them and give you my thoughts and opinions. But yeah, I'm not too sure there's been anything phenomenal this year. I think I've been focused more on testimony and stuff like that. Josh, last couple here folks coming for you. Josh says it can't get lost in the shuffle that Gerb got put off on record saying ATIP was a semi official program, AATIP had no funding and a specific part of the reverse engineering portion of the program was Indeed halted in 1989, but not the program as a whole. These are significant clarifications that a call some of Lou's past statements into question and b strengthen the lazar narrative of they couldn't figure it out so they brought in an outside the box thinker. Yep, just. Just some good points made there. I think Putov's point around things being partly halted in 1989, but not the program as A whole. Makes a lot of sense. And we've heard that sometimes these things get put on kind of cold storage for a while and then they come back to it years later as our technology improves. But then that goes against us having triangles flying about that are human ARVs reproduced vehicles. Joe says, I think Lou skirted around the Legacy Program question and it didn't really answer it properly.
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The bow needs to be. This is from Roger. The bow needs to break at some point. Or the bow. Is it the bow or the bow? I don't know how long people can keep on talking without saying anything at all. I feel attacked, Roger. Just when it feels like it's getting past the point of no return, someone conveniently loosens attention of it all. If someone had access to a singularity or artificial superintelligence as it's been purported to be beneath the White House, per Matthew Brown, which can predict future events, it would make total sense to what's going on right now. We, human intelligence may not be pulling the strings at all. It may have been ASI all along. Yeah. And I think that the AI conversation is one that is no longer going to go away as a part of our lives. Much like before the mid-90s, mobile phones weren't much of a thing. The Internet wasn't much of a thing. Publicly, social media wasn't a thing. And it's now an integral part. Integral part of society. Same as computers, even. Yeah. As computers got integrated into society, we couldn't live without them. Now I think you're seeing that with AI. That's. That's the future and the very immediate future too. And it's going to play a part in the UFO topic. 100%. Eric says maybe ask Ross Coulter if he knows who to talk to when Lou says something like, it's not my story to tell, or if he thinks it's just a way for him to avoid certain questions. I would say Ross does know the names of those people, but probably would be burning sources if he shared them because he'll be speaking to them directly, I would imagine. Kevin said, tricky call with Elizondo. Is he disclosing everything he can, steering disclosure for his gatekeepers or. Or something in between? I expect it's mixed, but I agree with Ross that people with the former or existing ties to the Legacy program should not be trusted members of scientific advisory programs and then final ones. David and it is the last two now, folks. Last two. David said Gerb essentially cross examining Putov was beautiful and this is coming from someone who had been cross examining folk for 30 years, but he had Putov on his heels with those questions about if and when the the Legacy program ended with the ultimate revelation being that in reality it never did. Great stuff. Yep, totally agree with that, David. And I fully encourage folks to go and check out that Fresh freedom podcast, episode 73. It's the most recent one. And then Scooby said Ross should know that if Lew has been involved in anything else, he can't talk about it or is it a play to push the conversation further? And that's what we don't know. And that's a really good place to leave it, Scooby, because I think we're going to see and hear more from Cool Tart and Ross and and the best thing for it, I've seen people saying they'll host us or host that. Obviously I'd love Ross and Lou to come on here. The next thing we are likely to see as Elizondo on Reality Check and those having a sit down interview. My only potential gripe with that as it's very unlikely they sit down without any prepared questions or discussion beforehand. I don't do interviews where I've spoken to the guest before for any length of time other than a few minutes to say hi and then I have record. I don't know if that would happen in that situation and I think it would have to for a really authentic conversation. And that's where I think a platform like Joe Rogan hosting or mediating between a cool tart and a loo could be particularly useful on this occasion. Well that's you caught up then for the week folks. I hope you have enjoyed this and it's been pretty extensive for you. I tried to cover a lot of bases and a lot of news that folks have been asking for and I've been chatting at you now for for almost an hour. One final thing for me folks, a few things. Thanks to everyone who signed up to memberships on paid platforms over the last couple of weeks. It's been huge. Really, really amazing feeling to see all that. To be honest folks, it really does make this all incredibly humbling I suppose to sound like a dick. The posters have been selling really well. I put more of those available on the store if you want to check those out the Sphere and Loathing posters go to that ufopodcast.com forward/ store. You can order various different sizes. Thank you to folks buying those. Anything you buy in merch wise off the store, I get a couple of dollars or pounds back, which is really helpful. And of course you've got the book Atlas of Unidentified Flying Objects still available on all platforms. You can go and check that one out and that makes a big difference to me. Anything else I've forgotten folks? 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Jason Somoza next week will be speaking, among things, Collins Elites hybrids and all of his deep dives into the UFO topic. And Jonathan Kaplan, who has a wonderful book out right now which is number one in the UFO charts. Let's get my book up alongside it again if you can, on Amazon. Leave reviews and all that kind of thing to lots of great content to come. Really looking forward to the next couple of weeks and months. There's going to be a lot of news dropping and that's what I'm going to be here for, recording for all of you and my much nicer space, which is greatly appreciated. So until next time folks, I will speak to you all very, very.