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Pavel
What's up humans? And welcome to a new Sequectivo. Happy Monday to everybody. I hope everybody's doing fantastically well. We have a live stream that I think we're gonna start doing more regularly because I think there's good chemistry here and it's good to just talk about whatever happened during the weekend with with today's I don't know if he's a guest. I think he's a recurring guest. Now I want to welcome Andy from that UFO podcast. How you doing Andy? Welcome back to the show and let's do it again.
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Andy
Yeah, I am good and as I said to my own audience, Pavel, we're hoping to do this kind of weekly or every couple of weeks. Obviously you're on a very successful Doomer Friday with those guys. I like to pop in now and again. Maybe there's room for a Mixish Monday. I don't know what you call this, but there's so much to talk about and sometimes after a busy weekend it's good to kind of shoot the so hi to everyone on the sequel Activo feed. Hi to everyone on the that UFO podcast feed and hi to all the bots. Make sure you like and subscribe.
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Pavel
All the bots. Especially the sex bots. Just kidding.
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Andy
Especially the sex bots.
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Pavel
Yeah, those are the ones that seem to get the more the more involved, which is kind of weird. Especially On X. Okay, so on the weekend. First of all, my country lost yesterday against England, so I'm still a little bit hurt for that. I know you're not Mexican anymore, Andy, so.
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Andy
No, I am no Norwegian. I am full on Nordic Erling Holland. So, yeah, for me, it's Nordic blood all the way until they get put out by England, and then I'm very much Argentinian again.
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Pavel
Yeah, Holland is crazy, right? I didn't think he was gonna do what he did yesterday. That was wild.
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Andy
You know, we're going to talk about potentially beings walking amongst us, and Erling Holland is up there with Messi. He's a candidate, isn't he? For if we have NHI walking amongst us, Erling Holland may be one of
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Pavel
those early, might be a Nordic Messi, might be a Gray. Who knows? He's just a short. So, yeah. Okay, so yesterday, Matt Ford at the Good Trouble show, he had already announced that he was going to do an interview with Dr. Eric Davis. And just to give you a little. I don't know if it's a scoop, but some information of Dr. Eric Davis during the contact in the desert, I got to see him in person and Jack, who goes by Missile man on X, and I approached him because Jack wanted to say hi. And when we approached him, Dr. Dr. Davis was like, I'm busy, I'm busy. Go away, go away. And we were like, okay, bye. And we didn't talk to him. Well, at least I didn't talk to him at all the entire trip there. That was all I got from Dr. Eric Davis. But yesterday he spoke about a number of different things that I want to go through. Perhaps the one that I think is because people are. Are confused sometimes with folks like Dr. Davis or Dr. Hal put off who also did this, who go out on podcast and in public and mention the species and that there's at least four of them that people report on. And we have this little clip from the Good trouble show where Dr. Davis says the following about the species. Let's watch it.
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Matt Ford
Let me say these things on podcaster at these big forums. Oh, my God, he's revealing classified information. Why isn't he getting arrested and charged and going to prison and all that stuff? And snow. It's because I've been trained on the process. I know what the criteria and the guardrails are. So I know what I can say. I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species and they are known from the public domain. And in the classified world, the credibility Isn't the credibility of the. Of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility? The high credibility is the classified part and in the high credibility, not on the far end of it, but there are credible witnesses who have been corroborated by multiple other witnesses or had other means of corroborating their account of an encounter with one of these four species. So there's some high credibility for. For witness accounts and there's medium low and none. And there's a minimum of. Of four.
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Pavel
Sorry about Pachita in the background, but what do you think about this? Because, you know, it's. It's been a topic of conversation multiple times and the. The last time he said this was on the Disclosure event, Disclosure foundation. They were called UAP Disclosure Fund, I think. And he talked about this as well. But if it's not classified to talk about, why is it so difficult to get it out of them in the first place?
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Andy
I always like to give a little bit of background just in case anyone's newer to this whole thing as well. And Eric Davis is one of those guys who is highly connected to the UFO topic through the. The Wilson Davis memo. He is the Davis to the Thomas Wilson from those notes that you may or may not heard of. Again, quick backstory. Eric Davis allegedly met Admiral Thomas Wilson in a shady underground car park like Smithers and Barton, Lisa and the Simpsons did. And they spoke in the back of a car about Admiral Wilson attempting years ago to get into the legacy programs, find out who the gatekeepers were, what was going on. Very high level this folks. Eric Davis then from memory went home, wrote the meeting out as best he could. Those eventually leaked on on the Internet and are now known as the Wilson Davis Memo. Davis himself, really intelligent guy, physicist. I think a lot of folks would point to him being incredibly knowledgeable about a lot of different aspects of the UFO topic. The right people, the programs, all of that stuff. He doesn't do too many appearances. He is a hard guy. I've never been able to get in touch with Eric personally. I've tried on a few different platforms. So fair play to Matt getting the interview and folks should go and check that out. Definitely. Because we're going to use some clips on this one, like Pavel says. So he's made a lot of comments in his time and a couple of years ago he was at the. I always forget what it was. Was it a public hearing that had himself Luna Elizondo? You know the event where Elizondo held mitigation?
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Pavel
Yeah, it was, it was the disclosure, the UAP disclosure fund, it was called. But it was like a public UAP panel. Yeah, it wasn't a hearing. It was.
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Andy
Yeah, but it was like those guys on a panel. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, so they were. And that's where he talked about the four types of, of species. So then he's elaborated here. But the, the elaboration here saying the, the reliable, the reliance of the information goes from weak to strong. What does that mean? Because that's the kind of stuff where in one sense it sounds like you're talking about four species, but then are you literally talking about. Well, it's four species. But that ranges from hearsay from non credible sources through to David Grush showing me on his phone a leaked video of a gray trying to escape a facility. You, you know that's, it's that sort of, it's that sort of range that, that A to Z that annoys a lot of folks in the UFO topic because where are you then getting your information from? And I think this is going to be something we talk about throughout, especially when we get to the, the, the GERB stuff and what Davis said about UAP G and where the conversation generally sits right now when we spoke about this Pavel last week or the week before around the kind of mess of the UFO conversation where it is who's talking the different camps involved and it's stuff like this where I was watching the Duma Friday show, some of it on Friday with you guys and you were having a bit of a debate back and forward. I can't remember who it was with and I think it was around Clapper and James Clapper's involvement and I really wanted to be involved to make the point to you that in this conversation, and this is me answering your question now, I think there are good people doing bad things and I think there are bad people potentially doing good things and then you've got everything else in the middle. So I don't even know at this point necessarily who the good guys are anymore. And are we or should we necessarily be rooting against all of the bad guys? And this because there are so many narratives and agendas across the board. It's just who you put your faith into in this topic right now. Davis is someone I would love to speak to. I'm sure you would as well. Obviously he's already said no to you in person, so you can't ask him anymore. I've still to get that, that public knockback, but it's just so compartment. I remember speaking, I've Mentioned this before. I won't say the name. I spoke to a really well known figure in the UFO topic and this isn't for super secrecy. I just don't want to cause for someone basically at the Soul symposium in October and they made the point to me. He made the point to me. I'm not giving much away saying that, that there are so many folks that all have their own agendas in this. The people you think all get on with each other don't necessarily get on with each other. There are people who you think maybe don't that do get on with each other. It's a bit more love, hate and there's again, there's everything in between. It's such a messy conversation right now and I don't see that getting better anytime soon. And that comment from Davis about the, the, the reliability of the information ranging from weak to strong for me as in isn't amazing for me because it just throws doubt and dubiety into a lot of the conversation.
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Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Pavel
And they're at each other's throats really behind the scenes. And it's been happening for a while. And what I don't get is why if you are like constantly attacking each other in the background, why are you posing as if you were like a united front in public? That is something that I will never understand. If you have if for me, and this is a very Mexican thing that we do. I think it's a very Scottish thing too. If you have a problem with someone who, either your friend or your collaborator, just go directly to them and tell them to their face. You don't go and just start talking about the person with others and put them in, you know, like, and, and if they can't take it, that's tough really. But I think that being like that, being that upfront gets you further than trying to do things like behind people's backs. And I think that in ufology this happens all the time. And it's like a norm almost that if you got a problem with someone, you just hear people talking about each other all the time. And in public it's like, yeah, we're friends, we're all pro disclosure and all that. And it's like, wait, you were just like vomiting about this person like two days ago. What is wrong?
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Dan Cleary
Yeah.
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Andy
And there's the public perception of that at lower levels. And then there's the, the way things are clearly happening behind the scenes too. I'm always really intrigued to know the direct relationship. I'm really intrigued to know what burleson where Burleson gets a lot of his information from, and Luna too, because I always assume or hope that it's Grush, not that that might necessarily be right. And down the line, Grush could end up being one of the bad guys. But I think a lot of folks put a lot of faith in, in Grush just now, and probably quite rightly so. But then you've got the Stephen Greer situation where he's hanging around there. Danny Sheehan seems to be involved with every single UFO group on the planet. So again, Danny is probably putting his two cents into a lot of this stuff. And I, I get the point where some folks get frustrated around the idea of this being like cyclical reporting. You know, Pavel tells Andy, Andy tells Dan, Dan tells Xander, Xander tells Clint, Clint tells Pavel. And by the time it goes back to Pavel, the story's improved or slightly different or changed or tweaked, And Pavel gets to know new information, but the information came from Pavel. It was his speculation in the first place. And I wonder how often that happens, even at the very highest levels.
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Pavel
Yeah, I wonder too. And I wonder also if whatever species that Dr. Davis is talking about, the level of credibility is, for example, if Dave Grush told him that he saw pictures of aliens of grace or videos, he holds a different standard of that compared to a person at a symposium who is just a civilian who told him a story of an abduction experience with the Gray. And I just wonder, does he take the credibility of David Grush and his credentials? Does he take that into account? And essentially of what is just hearsay because the grass just told him what he saw. He didn't show him anything, really. And this other person is talking about their experience. And technically it is also hearsay because they didn't show anything, but he considers them much less credibility because they're not from the intelligence community or from the military or not a trained observer. I just wonder how, what, what type of measures he uses to give somebody
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Andy
credibility or not even to take that. Totally, totally fair to take that another step further or a different direction. Is there a case that, for example, we have the, the Grays, There is proof of that, There is evidence of that. We've got bodies, we've got bits, we've got multiple reportings. That's solid, that's concrete. You know, different agencies are there across the. The board. Is it then the case, for example, that Mantis beings. There are no photographs, no videos, very few interactions, no official interaction, and it's largely testimony, hearsay. So that's on the lower end of the spectrum. So what they have proof for what they physically have themselves is one thing, but on the other hand they're hearing a lot about something else and they've got reason to think that maybe there may be something to this. I honestly, I think the gray stuff is 100% legit. That is our classic ET Alien Extraterrestrial NHI. Whether it's robotic, sentient or not. I think we have those, we have bits of those, we have intact versions of those. And at times the US government or others have had live versions of those in some form of captivity or safety. We'd like to think. I then think it goes down the chain that they've never captured an Ardic, but maybe they've met them. I think you then have the whole. The mantis ones are the ones I can struggle with, to be honest. And I know when you see this kind of stuff, live chats, you know, blow up and people get in touch and go, oh, the mantis beings, that's probably the ones. I struggle to comprehend what that would look like and how that would come across for no other reason than how incredible it sounds. But for me, that's perhaps the spectrum we're going across here, that the US government, private contractors and such have, have solid collected evidence of one thing, but perhaps they hear about other things. And I'd like to think it's at least that because there is a case, folks are going to look at what Davis has said here around credible information to not so credible. Why are we even dealing then with the not so credible information? I've not seen the full interview and I would love to have thought Matt maybe dead or would like to have dug into that more. And that's something I would love to speak to Eric Davis about and really dig into as much as you could there.
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Pavel
Yeah. And you know, there are accounts historically of these Nordics that are really strange. There's a recent one where Brent Friedman, Bryce Sable's co host on Light Sound, Light and Frequency, he talked about an encounter at Orcas island or something like that, it's called, where he says that he saw like a tall white looking person that allegedly spoke to him telepathically because he didn't move his mouth when he was speaking and he, and he sort of commanded him to go away and he listened, he, he did what he was told. And there are many different instances of that throughout the decades of these Nordics that apparently already live here. What do you think about that though, that that phenomenon. Because the grays are more prevalent. I know, but there's also people that have spoken about the Nordics for decades now. And this famous story of this guy, Valiant Thor is also very prominent. What's your take on that, on these Nordics?
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Andy
I. I had a friend of mine yesterday, sent me a WhatsApp of. It's like a grid of nine alien races. And he's. He's not a UFO guy in any way, shape or form, but he knows what I do. And he was like, the top left was Nordics and the top right was like the Venetians, like from Venus. Right. But then it had grays and all that kind of stuff on it as well. And he was like, I'll give you the gray stuff, but I'm not having the Nordics and the Venusians who look like us, basically. And so there's like a member of the public who's sharing this stuff with me, going, I'm not having this. They just look like us. Why would they look like us? And you get that argument, don't you, that any other alien species could look like anything at all. So for something to look like us makes me think, are those the guys that have been here already? Where was I reading earlier today? I saw something. Oh, was it Jason Georgiani? Is that the thing I shared with you, Pavel, in the chat?
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Pavel
Yes.
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Andy
Where. And I'm not too familiar with Georgiani in any great depth or detail. From what I read, he is someone who is very eloquent and speaks in a lot of detail and confidence about things that some people say are just a little bit of bluster and drama and fallacy, but other folks buy into it. So I need to look into Georgiani more myself. Perhaps. But he made the point that Nordics are. Is it humans from 10,000 years ago that are traveling a hundred years into our future and coming back? It was something like that. I sent you. I'll look it up.
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Pavel
Right, But I know exactly what you're talking about because I read his book Closer Encounters.
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Andy
Okay.
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Pavel
And he, he discusses that the Nordics are actually humans who are like, sort of like a breakaway civilization that has been here for a long time. They're not nhi. He claims that they're humans and that they have time traveling technology and that they've been like sort of influencing humanity for many, many decades. I'm not sure I, I agree with Georgiani's takes on pretty much everything, but he certainly speaks. Speaks like very confidently about them as if they were completely true. And I just like it just, it's Just weird to me.
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Andy
You know, someone's made the comment there. Everyone knew a Jason in school, like a Jason Giorgiani, that it reminds me of the time that one of my friends knew a compulsive liar and they knew the guy was a compulsive liar and they said that Michael Jackson had a tattoo of a smiley face on his finger and that's why he wore a silver glove. And whenever he was at concerts, he would take the glove off and use the smiley face finger to point at people he wanted taken backstage. Now that story is completely made up, but that's the kind of stuff like a compulsive liar would come out with. The Georgianic stuff I'll look into. But do you. Do you buy into that? Because what it would then link into me is if, and I love a what if. I'm not saying this is true. If you do have these breakaway civilizations, something was here before us. Something got far more advanced than we are even now. Does that give basis to stories of Atlantis, for example, that you had these other advanced offshoots of us that. And I'm not saying you had super advanced underwater bases and things like that, but something that eventually became the Atlantis story. Something happened to them, it broke down, it went away and they had the technology to leave, to come back, to go somewhere else. I don't entirely know. But that for me is the one of the interesting ones with like the Nordic stuff. I can't see us having a race of beings who look exactly like us pretty much traveling from anywhere else to come here. It would have to be something based pretty local.
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Pavel
Yeah. Well, given how the leaps that he takes, that's Georgiani and. And he claims to have been working with Dr. Jacques Vallee, Dr. Diana Pasolka and a lot of people, but, you know, none of them acknowledge him at all. So I just want to know why is he speaking with such conviction about these topics and intertwining every single thread on them and not showing any evidence for it, really? That's what I would like to know about Georgiani though.
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Andy
Yeah. But I don't think in this day and age, a lot of folks, and I think this is more of a, no offense to them, love the audience. And again, I always encourage folks these days to please leave a like and a comment because it helps people like us out. But there is a massive audience on YouTube particularly, and some of the social media platforms for people who want to watch and listen to really sensational stuff, regardless of any basis and truth, regardless of any research done Regardless of context. And it gets likes and views and clicks and it does really, really well. I'm guilty of that. I've said so many times, the Andrew Basiajo stuff. I used to watch him back in the day, long before I started the podcast. And I would watch three hours, four hours of Andrew Basiajo standing on a. On a platform talking about as a kid how his dad put him into a program along with a young Barack Obama. They would jump to Mars, they went back and viewed the crucifixion, all that kind of stuff. You know, they would time travel and it's fascinating and it's a really cool. Wow. Imagine that was true. But for me, I could separate that. Imagine that was true. This clearly isn't. And there are other folks who believe that kind of stuff too. So I think everyone's got their kind of guilty pleasures in this. But there's an audience for it. And there's same as like ancient aliens, where 90 to 95% of the stuff on Ancient Aliens is such a reach that, oh well, it could have been the classic stuff of the pyramids. I get why people go with that. It looks like some of it, even to a layman like me, is far too. Too intricate to have been made by humans. Even some of the stuff now would be difficult to build if at all possible. Yet they were doing it thousands of years ago. But to then go into some of the stuff they do. And I, I was really honest when I was on Ancient Aliens, they gave me a list of things to talk about and there was stuff where I was just like, I'm not really comfortable talking about X, Y and Z, because I don't know. And I'd rather not just sit there and make it up. But you do get folks who are happy to sit in a chair and talk about something they pretend they know something about, just. Just not. And and me to do that. So I think there's an audience for your Georgianis. Your Cody Goods again, Cody Goods, the best example. A guy who literally made up all this stuff, sat in front of our camera on a deposition, said that it was all intellectual property, I. E. In his head. And that's what it was. It was a story. Now, he stopped short of saying it was lies and fake, but he did say it was a story of his. His intellectual property and no one else could use it. Yet people will still believe Cody. Good to be J. Oh, yeah.
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Pavel
And yeah, and the whole 20 and back thing and the secret space program that he talks about, which is entirely different to for example, the secret space program that Richard Dolan talks about, which is, has nothing to do with that, you know, but yeah, this comes into the whole counter intelligence and passage material kind of aspect of this where you have the same topic, but it's talked about in different lights and in different ways by different people. Some of them or the majority of them are not talking about the real thing. They're just talking about whatever they wanna insert into people's imagination. And that's what Corey Goode did. And that's what, for example, people who keep talking about this Galactic Federation and the Ashtar Command and all that, that's what they're trying to do, in my opinion. Don't you think?
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Andy
Yeah. And there are people who, I'm no psychologist or expert in that kind of area. There's a whole idea of finding your tribe I've talked about, I know that much. And people find their tribe, people find their go tos. Whether you're into crystal healing, whether you're into blue palladian aliens, you know, that are loving light beings, whether you're into some of the more weird stuff in this topic or other topics, people gravitate to what they're going to gravitate to. Same as when you're a kid. If you're an emo or a mosher or a goth or whatever, you might have been one of the cool kids. I was one of the geeks. But that's, that's just kind of what people do. I don't want to get too far away from what we were talking about before with Davis because there's loads to get into. I do have a top 10 things I pulled out of it as well, by the way. But if you want to keep on the, on the four species thing, but no, no, no.
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Pavel
Can we welcome somebody who just crashed the live show and we can talk about your, your top 10 we got from others from another mother. Mr. Dan Cleary is in the house. Welcome, Dan.
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Dan Cleary
What's up guys? How are you?
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Andy
Good evening, good morning, good afternoon. I don't know what it is there anymore.
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Pavel
How you doing, Dan?
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Dan Cleary
I'm good. Condolences, Pavel. Sorry, buddy, I don't need to get into it, but I saw you guys chatting and I'm loving the chat. I wanted to, to join.
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Pavel
Thank you. Welcome, welcome. Can you give us, can you give us your, your list, Andy? What points from the conversation?
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Andy
So I don't know, Dan, have you seen the Eric Davis interview yet or just some clips?
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Dan Cleary
Just the clips so far, yeah.
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Andy
Cool. So I've got 10 points Eric Davis made in this interview, folks. And again in the chats. Make sure you're kind of leaving your comments and questions and stuff. So Eric Davis said he personally spent significant time at Skinwalker Ranch. So some of these are bigger, some of them are less so. He says. Neds, he was Ned's astrophysics and aerospace physics director. He was on the ranch for one to two weeks a month for much of his time there. So. Eric Davis, Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is funny. It's one of those ones where this might just be me, but see within, like the UFO community seems to have over the years got less and less love in terms of the show and what it's doing and the investigation. But publicly it still seems really popular. And see online, Skinwalker Ranch is a pool. If you put Skinwalker ranch in your YouTube video, your audio title, your, your social media clip, there is a pool there for Skinwalker Ranch. So I don't know if you guys find that or not.
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Dan Cleary
Dan, I, I know that it's a huge thing. I've never been a big fan of it myself. I. But yeah, you're absolutely right. It's, it's a, it's a massive, it's a massive thing that seems to have a huge audience that does, does get some clicks.
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Pavel
You know, I've been, I've changed my position on a lot of what goes on there or allegedly goes on there. Because initially when I started this, you know, as anybody who's been more in tune with the quote, unquote, real world, whenever I heard stories about ghosts and apparitions and all of this stuff, I never ever imagined or thought that it might be correlated to the UFO topic or to like, what, what, what I know now is high strangeness. But since then I started to appreciate that a little bit more. Because, for example, and just to give you one example, people who see these orbs, they report to see these orbs whenever they're going through a really difficult moment in their life. Like, for example, when they lost a loved one or when they. Well, Chris Bledsoe, in his case, he, he went completely broke and then he had his experience with that. So I started just like trying to understand it from that different type of light. And now it's a little different for me because now I don't consider everything that goes on there not credible. I'm just like, ambivalent. I don't know whether it might be credible or not. I know that the whole crew does have to like, present a product that is Merchandizable and, you know, apt for every viewer and all that they have to sell a product. Right. But there's also this other aspect that happens in the books and Skinwalkers at the Pentagon and the Hunt for the Skinwalker that after reading those, it's like it, it feels a lot like what my cultures from my country have gone through in the shamanistic world and all of this stuff. It feels a lot like that. So now I'm not so sure if I think, oh, it's probably now I don't, I don't know for sure. I don't know if how much of the super spectrum people see when they're there, you know.
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Andy
Yeah, I think it's that you have to separate from you the investigation and the TV show. Now, TV show needs to film a TV show. They don't want an hour of digging on camera. They want interesting. Oh my God, we've hit a new rock. Oh my God, what's that noise? You know, and it's nothing. That's just what happens. Otherwise it's really boring of. Are you still digging? Yep. You had anything yet?
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Matt Ford
No.
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Andy
Cool, keep going. That doesn't work on camera. So I get there's a delicate balance, but I think there are so many shows that came before it. Like, what is it? The Curse of Oak island, which is a treasure hunting one where they've been hunting for this treasure and it's season after season after season and there's always a joke online that they're always going to find it next season. And you can see where that pulls into the UFO topic. You know, it's that chasing the magic dragon. You're always going to get it next time. It reminds me of a kid show I am. I remember buying 15 Milky Ways once as a kid when they were 10 pence each, when I had a pound 50 trying to win a copy of Sonic the Hedgehog 2 on Sega Mega Drive and I didn't win. But every time I opened one of those wrappers I thought I was going the next one was I was going to win. I did not win a copy of sonic the Hedgehog 2. But, you know, I had 15 Milky Ways and I got sick at the end of it. And that's, that's a consequence of my actions.
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Pavel
Non diary man. Next time.
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Andy
Yeah, yeah, Fun fact. I was fat as a child. Can you believe that? Trying to win competitions like that. So, yeah, I think there's an element of that with it where people see all these shows and episodes and a need for drama where people think they could do more. But I think the investigation that was the real investigation that is still going on now and the what you see in TV are three different things at this point. So. Yeah, but I'd love to see Scam Walker turn something up. But I tell you something, F Skinwalker Ranch turn something genuinely paradigm shifting up. It will not be. Watch next episode. It will not be. Follow us next season it will be live. Tonight we have a special report from Skinwalker Ranch on the news at prime time and they will cut to it. That's what will happen. And I've said this before with there will be no documentary that will be aired on TV that you have to wait months for. Anything that is genuinely a huge discovery that is going to change anything will be live on the news.
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Pavel
You've spoken to some people who work there, right?
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Andy
I have almost all of them, yeah.
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Pavel
What's your feeling when you talk to them? Do you think that they believe they're doing something real or does it feel more like, for example, this guy from the ancient aliens crew, the, you know, the guy.
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Andy
No, I know you mean genuinely. I get the feeling Brandon's a showman, right? Brandon Fugo is a showman and he. Yeah, he speaks quite often in sound bites, which for me as an interviewer is something maybe I've had to get better at over the time where he's advertising the show. But when you speak to Brandon before and after recording, he's such a down to earth geeky guy with all this cool stuff that he's bought from Keanu Reeves. Daniel. No, Keanu, Bruce Willis, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger. He's got like the Terminator 2, original stuff from the sets, right. He's just a geek with a lot of money and a very successful businessman, but he is geeky. But the guys who work there, I've always had the feeling genuinely that they are torn between working on a real scientific investigation. But they also have this television crew there the whole time. I've spoken to multiple of them around. They're. They're doing a genuine experiment. And the crew goes, ah, Dan, you're holding. They have to have like a certain instrument inside of a tin can to stop certain interference happening which is happening on the ranch. But that doesn't work on camera. You holding this device inside of a tin can. So do the experiment. But what we're going to do, we're going to film you again, Dan. We want you to take the radio, the device out and we want you to use it there. Yeah. But that's not going to show you the result. Yeah, that's fine. But the shot inside the can doesn't work. I know people that were on Come Dine With Me. Do you get that show in the us? Come Down With Me.
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Dan Cleary
No, I don't think so.
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Andy
Four people basically prepare dinner for each other and each night they go to the person's house and they have a party. They all cook and it's filmed over a day and then it's. Who wins at the end of it, wins money. It's really popular here in the uk, Right. I know someone who was on it. They spend about 16 hours filming. So Dan's making a pasta dish for the dinner party, but you're making it at 11 o' clock in the morning for a 7pm party because the camera crew have to film you preparing it over and over and over. You'll put it in the oven, they'll say, wait a minute, can you take that back out the oven? We're going to change the lighting. We're then going to film it from a different angle. Can you put it back in the oven a little bit slower for us? So as your meal going to be the same at the end of the day? No, but they have to have it look a certain way. And that's. That, for me is one of the issues with Skinwalker Ranch as an entertainment product. But there is a genuine scientific investigation going on at the same time.
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Pavel
Okay. Yeah, I, I've never been like too keen on watching that. I probably. If there is something real happening there, there's probably some kind of electromagnetic disturbance going on that makes all of that happen, you know, because I did go to Ensenada to interview a lot of fishermen who report objects coming out of the water. And one of the things that they all discuss is that there is an electromagnetic anomaly specifically on that area where they see all those lights. So I wonder if. And this, I've talked about this before here in Mexico we have the zone of silence, for example, which is a highly electromagnetically anomalous place in Mexico. And there's even plants that grow there that don't grow anywhere else because of the environment. And I just wonder if Skinwalker Ranch is one of those places as well. But it's been exploited for the TV show, but there is something real there,
- [38:56]
Andy
you know, or perhaps similar to the Bledsoe story. I know I've shared this with you guys and other folks before. I get the feeling Chris Bledsoe may have had a genuine experience some time ago. Is that still happening now is probably up for a very fair debate. Skinwalker Ranch might be similar, where the phenomenon happens in cycles and then stops. But is that much use if you're filming a TV show year after year after year? Well, what if the phenomenon stops for five years yet? We'll film. No, you've got a contract.
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Pavel
I think there's a difference between what Chris Bledsoe is doing and those guys, because, funny you mentioned it, I've been talking to Chris for a little bit over the last couple of days because, you know. Yeah, I've been. I've been kind of trying to just ask him, why does he anthropomorphize what his experience is? Because he's keen and dead set on saying that this is a. This has to do with God and with his beliefs. And I'm like, are you sure you're not anthropomorphizing this? Because it sort of feels like that. Because I've had experiences that I cannot explain. And there are some people who are very religious who have told me directly, oh, that's your guardian angel. And I'm like, how do you know that? Like, you say it so confidently like that. And, you know, I. I was an atheist for a long time. Now I just don't know. I'm more inclined to believe that there's some. Something similar to the Force in Star wars or something like that, but nothing to do with a bearded man who punishes you because you're naughty like that. And I'm not talking about Santa Claus, but talking to Chris, it seems like he's just dead set on that idea. And. And he keeps saying, like, stuff like, no PhD is gonna ever explain this to you. Or, you know, stuff like that. And I'm like. I just. He's like, what people call consciousness now is just God in the old days. And I'm like, okay, so don't you think that if it was called God back in the day, terms tend to evolve over time, and now it's known as consciousness, not necessarily God. And he's like, no, it is God. I'm like, okay, I have a very.
- [41:19]
Dan Cleary
Never.
- [41:19]
Pavel
We're never gonna agree. We're never gonna agree on this.
- [41:22]
Dan Cleary
I have a strong feeling that he has people around him telling him that that's what that is and feeding into his thought of it and confirming. Confirming his beliefs to him or helping form those beliefs.
- [41:35]
Pavel
Just family feels that way.
- [41:37]
Dan Cleary
Not necessarily. Not necessarily. No.
- [41:39]
Pavel
I. I think. I would think it's more people like that see that he has contact with the phenomenon. And they just want to mold him to whatever they have planned to do. Right. Like whatever their agenda is. And Chris is not unique. There's a lot of people that experience these things around the world.
- [42:02]
Andy
There's the issue. Chris is not unique. That's not how he and others around temporary. His situation. They do portray it as unique. That's the issue I have when anyone. Whether it's Greer Bledo or anybody in the topic, whether people think I like them or not, when people speak in absolutes.
- [42:20]
Dan Cleary
Yes.
- [42:21]
Andy
That really frustrates me because if Chris Bledo right now was coming out and saying, it could be this, it could be God, it could be a religious figure, this could be spiritual, those orbs could be this. But he doesn't. Everything is very much like your point there. PhD will never explain this. No. Because everything's up here.
- [42:42]
Dan Cleary
What was the.
- [42:43]
Andy
Was it the Mormon religion where I. And, sorry, my Mormon knowledge is from south park and the Book of Mormon.
- [42:50]
Dan Cleary
That's plenty. That's plenty.
- [42:51]
Pavel
That's enough, dude.
- [42:52]
Andy
But seems to get it right. So this guy finds these tablets and only he can decipher them, and only he knows what's on them. And when he gets called out, Joseph Smith, dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. Yep.
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Matt Ford
Cool.
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Andy
Classic. So he only he knows. And that's the way that stuff begins to sound for me. You know, it's when it's not. When no one can do it except me. When only I know. When everyone. When I watched the Greer announcement last week, the special global announcement. Hell of a title. When you've got someone sitting there talking about the aliens are saying this, the aliens are saying. What's to stop me starting to do that over six months? If I start just saying I'm having downloads and visions and a being's talking to me, and I come up with a really cool backstory and name. There's people who would believe that and start to listen to that inform. And I can say, I've spoken to these folks over the years and I'm now in connection with this. I saw. And it just gets so frustrating. Yeah. The absolute stuff just really, really turns me off. People in this topic.
- [43:59]
Dan Cleary
But what if it's true? What if. What if it is true?
- [44:04]
Andy
Just that story or.
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Dan Cleary
Yeah.
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Pavel
Or what if this is about God, you ask?
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Dan Cleary
No, no. What if there are people who are chosen? Like, I. I don't think this is true. But what if there are people that, like, are truly special, where they do get specific downloads or specific contact Events. And they there is like an open line of communication with some form of intelligence. Should those people not talk about it? Because I kind of feel like maybe don't talk about it because it's going to hurt things.
- [44:33]
Andy
Really good point. I would say they would be a lot more humble about talking about it. Because when they're not humble about it and they don't acknowledge people's skepticism and they don't ever say, I don't know when they claim to know everything or dismiss people for questioning anything, there's no compassion, there's no empathy. Then for me, that just comes across as them being protective of a product.
- [44:58]
Dan Cleary
Yep.
- [45:00]
Pavel
And I have heard Chris Contact actually saying that if you don't believe, you might as well just not be here for the experience. And I'm like, because it's your fault
- [45:09]
Andy
because you don't believe. And Bledsoe does say this. If you don't see, then it's on you. It's because you're not open minded enough. So it's almost like beaming you into it. So, Dan, if you're there having a collective experience at Contact in the desert or some other event particular, imagine you paid $500 to be there. Right. Because the aliens require that kind of fee for you to see them. So you're out there with like 50 people on the cat, you've had a lovely evening, you've roasted some s', mores, whatever it is you Americans do and stuff like that. Right.
- [45:41]
Dan Cleary
That's all we knew.
- [45:42]
Andy
Yeah. You're looking up at the beautiful night sky and people start claiming they're seeing something. But what if you don't? So according to like the Bledsoes of the world, that's because you're not enough of a believer. So do you then trick yourself into seeing something? Do you have to then start convincing yourself you're seeing something that's maybe not there? Because that's the way some of this comes across to me. What was really heartening to hear it.
- [46:09]
Dan Cleary
What?
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Andy
I don't think it was the contact you guys were at. I'm pretty sure it was. It was last year's because it wasn't so recent. But there was an event that I'm sure I might be getting this wrong. A few people, podcasters like Patrick from Vetted.
- [46:22]
Matt Ford
Yep.
- [46:22]
Andy
And maybe Kelly Chase. I'm not sure. They were at a Bledsoe thing and when people were shouting, orb, orb, orb, they were like, no, it's like a satellite. And people even had it on an app, I believe. So there were Some folks there who, who called it out. But other folks there were like, no, you're just not a believer. That becomes cult like behavior. That's. That's not right. That's not right for me at all.
- [46:45]
Dan Cleary
I had this. I mean I haven't really talked about it yet, but I had that experience at this contact. I went to a, to a private sky watch. Some of you, some of people you know were there there as well, Andy. But a private sky watch from those from the Psionic Asset Company. And I was there for four hours and every couple seconds it's like there's an orb, orb, orb to the north. And I'm like, okay, that is absolutely a satellite. And people are like, thank you. Oh my God, thank you. And me and a couple people around me were like. Or like, clearly a couple were airplanes. Like there's no doubt in my mind they were airplanes. And I hear whispers around me being like, that's a fucking airplane. What's going on here? What is this? And I will say there were probably three or four times where something was in the sky that was strange. I mean it was like orbish, very orby. And I don't know how I feel about orbs. I'm with you, Andy. Where orbs is like a. It bothered me for years the idea of orbs, but I think they're a thing. I saw a few that was like, okay, that's interesting. Nothing mind blowing, but so many of the things that they were shouting out were definitely satellites and airplanes with not discerning anything, just, just everything was an orb.
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Andy
I can't get on board with all the thank you stuff either. That's the same me and my friend Laurie, who may be listening, who was at Seoul. There was a sky watch on the pier because a beautiful setting. Lake Majore was stunning. And they went down on a really clear night. Little bit of cloud cover here and there, but I think that's good for depth perception and stuff like that because if one of these orbs could come down and under the cloud that would be great. But they tend not to. So the. They were having like a private on the pr, all these folks sitting down there. I went and grabbed a pizza, sat up in the balcony of the bar. I don't really drink, folks, so it was like I was on cans of Coke and a pizza, stunning Italian pizza. And myself and Laurie watched and I thought, I'm going to sit here and just enjoy the view. We sat for about an hour and a half and nothing happened. So is that because myself and Laurie weren't enough of a believer and we put them off. I don't know, but it just seems. And there's the other thing. Whenever you're at a Bledso or Agree event, and I'm sorry to pick on those, and if people are in the chats or whatever or listening to this, who are big fans of those, this is just how I feel. My opinion, you don't have to, you know, go along with it. If you're at one of those events, you shouldn't always see something. Again. It's like, if I pay to go and see the Northern Lights, there is not a guarantee you will see the Northern lights for any number of reasons or will not see them when you go on a whale watch or whale watch, you know. But it's like it just happens to be anytime you go to one of these things and you've paid enough money, you will 100% see these things. So if that's the case, can we just get News Nation, who seem hella up for anything like this, bring them along to a private space and do it live. Live with Ross and producer Megan. There you go. Show us all the orbs.
- [50:03]
Dan Cleary
But.
- [50:04]
Pavel
And it's what's frustrated me about Sky Watcher and the Psionic Acid crew and all that, because Batista showed that video of the alleged interdimensional being and all that stuff. We've talked about this. It frustrates me that they keep talking about it in the background and the. And they release these like nuggets of rumors that something happened. There was a landing. There was this guy from NASA who was apparently at the landing. But all we get is hearsay. We get jack when it comes to evidence. And if we try to ask them for it, they, they go like, oh, Sky Watcher was red teamed. Oh, we had to sign NDAs and we can't talk about it. And it's like, do you not understand where the frustration comes from when you're behaving like this constantly? It's just really, really frustrating. It's like, I'm done. There comes a time when I'm like, I'm done. And if I start seeing like shady happening, I've already started to call it out a little bit. But there's some shady. I'll go much deeper eventually, and I will because I'm still gathering a little bit of data. But yeah, it, it's. It gets culty, Andy. Very culty.
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Andy
Oh, you said culty. I thought you're using another Scottish word there for a second.
- [51:27]
Pavel
No, no, no, no, no.
- [51:28]
Andy
So the, the. Again, I'm not saying orbs are not like you, Dan. Orbs are a genuine phenomenon. However, I think there are people who take advantage of it, like anything in a UFO topic and monetize it themselves or they, they, it becomes this absolute where they're almost in control of this phenomenon. And I just don't think that's how it would work. Again, 90 imagine we all had that enlightening moment and the entire world all done CE5 at the same time.
- [52:01]
Matt Ford
Right?
- [52:01]
Andy
You know what, that thing, if everyone flushed our toilets at the same time, there'd be a tsunami somewhere, which I don't, I don't believe is true. I think Mythbusters talked about that once. But the idea, if we all done CE5, are we all going to see these things above us? I don't think that's the case. Can I have a couple of other Eric Davis, because that's only the first one still. So I'll combine a few here. Number two, Davis said he personally witnessed a large anomalous craft at Skinwalker Ranch, a large amber lit object in September 96. Then another small object in November 96 with Colin Kelleher. He says it wasn't a small orb, but something much larger, silent, opaque, and it flew low over the ranch. And he does say that ranch orbs were usually basketball to human, head sized, close to the ground, and roughly human height. By contrast, the amber craft he saw was larger, higher, and behaved differently. So there's orbs, and we'll have to always use the word allegedly here, just to be fair. Orbs and Skinwalker Ranch. Human height five to six to seven feet off the ground. Can we not get some of these other folks? But I'm not going to keep bashing bled Zone co. Could they not bring them closer down? Because surely, surely that would help. And again, at that point, sign me up to your app, sign me up to your camp. You know, I'll go all in. Much like when Tom Cruise got to the level of Scientology years ago where he could levitate off the ground. Call me Tom Cruise Levitating and I will sign up to Scientology.
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Matt Ford
Yeah,
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Dan Cleary
great point, Dan. It's great points when you talk about the psionic people. Like, like you said, if you can do this, call them in, call them in close. Like, call them in to within 15ft of your camera. When I was at that skywatch, the, the CEO of the company, before we started the whole event, he kind of laid out his mission statement and he said, you know, now we have the ability to call them in close. In six months we want to get them closer. In 12 months we want to get them to land and in 18 months we want a handshake with a being. That is our mission statement. And I'm wondering like, well, how do, what makes you make these six month, like what advances in six months? How do you know that within six months you'll get one to land and then six months later you'll get a handshake? What is that based? And again those are very, very bold claims and we've heard that from Sky Watcher before where they said within a year we will have one landed and that never happened. So it's very suspect language to me.
- [54:40]
Pavel
Yep. And it feels like a counter intel operation as well. Just, I just wanted that out there because you know, they come from the military, they come from green barrettes, they come directly from Sky Watcher and Sky Watcher was red teamed. I don't know if they still want to keep inserting these nuggets of information in the community. That's one of the ways that I would do it. Just create a new venture and try to keep doing the same thing and go on Gaia TV and talk about Andromeda and you know, like that.
- [55:21]
Dan Cleary
By the way, I want it to work. It could work and if it works, I'm, I'm stoked if it happens. I just, I don't think any of us have seen anything super compelling yet at all. I mean I don't know about you guys. I haven't seen anything super compelling yet.
- [55:35]
Pavel
Not yet, no.
- [55:39]
Andy
Eric said the hitchhiker effect is real, but frames as poltergeist type activity. Saying the phenomenon followed him home to Las Vegas and affected his family. Says it also affected others connected to the ranch, including security personnel, folks from the intel community and eventually Bigelow. Think a lot of that's pretty well covered. He says cattle mutilations were likely man made and not alien. His view is that cattle mutilations were connected to a covert government or contractor biological testing and monitoring operation. He claims the target issues such as eyes, lips, udders, rectum and genitals match areas where disease markers accumulate. So my only issue with that and let's if I've sounded like I'm on the side of the debunkers previously, let me get back on the side of the UFO folks here. Why would the government or private contractors be doing this next to a TV show area are really well known UFO hotspot. Why would you not go and do it? In a random field somewhere. Why would you not have. I'm sorry for the, you know, the PETA folks and the vegans, but why would you not just have your own cattle ranch somewhere and test us yourself where you don't need weird flying vehicles to help you do it? That doesn't make sense to me that it's man made in that sense at all.
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Dan Cleary
And that way you're not with civilian livestock, civilian cattle, you know.
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Andy
Yeah, it makes no sense. It's such, it would be such an easy, control, controlled experiment to do and have set up in any kind of way to do what you need and get what you need that you wouldn't have to. To jump onto someone's farm, the middle of Utah where you're going to potentially be exposed. That makes zero sense to me.
- [57:19]
Pavel
You know what I think often, though, because how many dumps do you think are close to that area and deep
- [57:27]
Andy
underground military bases for folks who aren't familiar with the acronyms and, and how
- [57:31]
Pavel
many experiments, if there is a dump there, how many experiments do you think go on there that could cause some of these effects and could cause hallucinations in people and all that? I always thought about this when it comes to the Skinwalker Ranch area and much of the Utah area, because it's not just Skinwalker Ranch. Jacques Vallee is on record saying that pretty much every single part of the Utah area has paranormal activity going on. And a lot of those deep underground facilities are there. So there's also a possibility that there is some kind of experimentation going on that the government doesn't want you to find out about. And they're okay with the Skinwalker Ranch people having their little show there just so we can like cover for whatever they're doing there. That's something that I've always thought about.
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Andy
But they can't have cattle underground of their own.
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Pavel
That's true, that's true. I don't know.
- [58:27]
Andy
But have you seen, have you seen Severance?
- [58:30]
Pavel
No, not great TV series.
- [58:33]
Andy
I got into it really late. But I beg you, go and watch Severance and give it a couple of episodes and you will be absolutely hooked. Okay, so I won't go into too much more, but the idea that you couldn't keep a whole bunch of animals kept tucked away secret underground is relevant to that comment. Yeah, so I don't, I don't see why that would be. The only way it would be man made for me would be pranksters and hoaxers like crop circles, but they are not unless it's a bunch of surgeons who like to go and cut up cattle and drain their blood and do it really cleanly for kicks during the night. That. That makes no sense to me.
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Dan Cleary
Has any surgeon ever tried to mimic the. The results of a cattle mutilation about, oh, it's impossible without spilling.
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Andy
I don't think you would want to do that publicly, would they?
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Pavel
There is. There is no. Because I'm telling you, because I've asked my dad about this. He's a surgeon, so he knows about any type of, like, instrumentation that is. Would be capable of doing those types of incisions and draining the blood completely out of animals. And this has been happening at least since the 70s, I think. And when I asked my dad, he was like, there's nothing that we have in medicine, no instrumentation right now that is capable of doing that level of surgical incision, that precise, and there is nothing that can drain the blood of something like that, as if it just sucked it out. And I was. When I started, like, looking into this a little bit more and started siku activo, I. My dad was one of the first people that I. I started asking this about. He's like, that's. That's impossible. Like, I don't know how it's done.
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Dan Cleary
Could you drain the blood with an IV first so the animal dies of blood loss and then you do the cutting stuff off while there's no blood loss? Is that possible?
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Pavel
The thing is that the. The. The process of draining someone's blood takes multiple hours. And some of the reports report the cow going missing and then just appears a couple of hours later completely drained out of blood. So how did that happen?
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Dan Cleary
Yeah, fair.
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Andy
I think at this point, we've been going an hour. If everyone in the feed likes and comments on the videos and the streams to help out, we will make sure Pavel's dad does that experiment live on the channel. Like, no, we won't. We won't. No animals will be harmed in the making of these.
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Pavel
No, no, no, no, no.
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Dan Cleary
We'll pick a really bad cow.
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Andy
Yeah, plenty of those.
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Pavel
A killer cow.
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Dan Cleary
One that really deserves it. Yeah. Yeah.
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Andy
Eric also said Eric Davis still here, folks. Eric says Roswell should really be called Corona. He said the crash site was not in Roswell itself, but on the foster ranch near Corona, New Mexico, 106 miles from Roswell. He also pushed back on the word biologics, saying the cleaner term would be dead nhi or alien bodies. I'm less fuss on the actual map of the Roswell crap Because all that stuff's Relatively. I was covering a couple of days ago some of the information around Roswell in the news update that I'd done yesterday, and the idea that the actual Roswell crash didn't happen July 8, it may have happened early June. It goes back to even earlier June because that's when the Project Mogul stuff launched. So the COVID up kind of stems from there. You've then got Mac Basel finding debris, apparently not reporting it to late in the month, then it was July, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm less fussed on that at the minute, but more on Davis's comments around pushing back on biologics. Obviously that's then aimed at Grush. Why would Grush say biologics instead of just saying dead nhi alien bodies or bits of aliens? I'm curious to know your thoughts on that.
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Dan Cleary
Well, on, on Rogan, he made a comment about sometimes they found stuff where they opened up something or got inside of a craft and they saw remains, but had no idea what they were even looking at. So I don't know if that means that the, the form it took, like the form it lives in is so bizarre he couldn't tell. Or if it was so turned to mush or had decomposed or something where they couldn't even tell what the form initially was. But he was very specific about we don't even know what we're looking at here.
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Pavel
Have you guys seen Project Hail Mary?
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Dan Cleary
Yeah.
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Andy
Yeah.
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Pavel
I wonder if like maybe some of the things that were found were similar to that alien right there. You know, like it's something so amorphous that you, you can't really find a shape or give it a specific, you know, species or something like this. Like it's just too weird. So it's just biologics.
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Dan Cleary
You know, I guess even to Davis's point, that would still be a body, an NHI being or body. Right?
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Andy
Yes. And you can be pedantic, but at the end of the day, I think for 99.9% of folks, we know what UFOs mean. And folks do the old. Yeah, UFOs are just flying objects that haven't been identified yet. We are talking about alien spaceships.
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Dan Cleary
Oh yeah.
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Andy
But they may not be alien. They might BE Nordics from 10,000 years ago. We mean non human. It's all the same thing. We mean alien, we mean not human people. That's the generalization. Same with alien. We don't mean us. Oh, well, actually these are technically humans, but they're from 10,000 years in the future. And They've just traveled. Right. Okay, that's fine.
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Dan Cleary
Semantics.
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Andy
I don't really care. It's not us and it's classified as alien. That's what we mean. And I think I always get that. And I appreciate those reasons. Grush may or may not have said what he said. I do agree with Davis there though, that at the end of the day, it's UFOs, it's aliens and everything that entails.
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Pavel
That's a good point.
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Dan Cleary
It is interesting though that people like Rush and, and Lou and even, you know, talking to Dylan, none of these guys say E. T. None of them say alien ever. Almost ever.
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Pavel
Interesting.
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Andy
Yeah, it's that. It's that a little bit of misinformation, disinformation and not necessarily from them. But is that just the level potentially they're involved at where those conversations don't happen and that they are told that, you know, like the other day on the, the Glenn Beck interview where Luna gets asked about, you know, what. What's her response? She responds by saying, all I'll say is energy is real. I think he asked him, are these things alien, essentially? And she goes, ah, well, you know that word, all I'll say is energy is real. I mean, what is that as an answer that's so confused and convoluted and trying potentially to be clever for the sake of being clever?
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Pavel
You know, I think it has to do with her own religious bias. The same conversation that I've been having with Chris Bledsoe, it's, it's just the same. She's a Christian. She believes she's been posting about angels and yeah, ancient scripture for a while. She has that bias. I think that's, that's what that means, I think.
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Andy
Yeah. Last couple, he. Eric Davis believes the Corona or Roswell crash happened. He began investigating crash retrievals in 1998 and interviewed Brigadier General Arthur Exxon. Davis claims Exxon new people connected to the recovery and the case involved a damaged craft, debris and four small gray type beings. So we get the grays in there. He says OSAP was not read into the Legacy Crash Retrieval Program. He said OSAP had top secret SCI level access, but not the deeper waved unacknowledged SAP access needed for Legacy Crash retrieval material. He says he and Hal Putov were trying to locate or gain access to those older programs, but did not have the required need to know. So that probably gives you those layers of the onion. I'll just. Before you come in, Pavel, let me just add, because the last point is related to that again. He claims the aerospace company side of the program was shut down in 1989 due to lack of progress, but that the CIA could periodically reissue materials every 10 years to see whether science and engineering had caught up. He also says some material may have been retained by companies and that there was a failed plan to bring some of it into scientific study via Earth Tech.
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Pavel
Just making a little connection here because I thought that was a really interesting point that he made there. And it just takes me back to 1989, which is when Bob Lazar was coming out.
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Dan Cleary
Right.
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Pavel
So could it be that before 1989 when Dr. Davis was allegedly working in classified stuff put up said in that interview with gerb that a lot of the work that the scientists were making was taken away from them, like, abruptly when that happened. I just wonder if whenever the whole bubblessar thing happened, that's what forced them to just go like, we gotta shut this down, you know, and nobody can talk about it. And not even. Not even Derek Davis, who potentially worked on classified Programs before the 1989 Bob Lazar story came out. So maybe that could be one of the reasons why every time they ask him about it, he's like, he's full of shit.
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Andy
I struggle with the idea that they put it away into cold storage. You know, like how every, every so often they re the redo James Bond and it comes back a little bit more edgy, a little bit more up to date. A new actor in charge and they redo the franchise. I don't see that they've got alien technology and that they literally go, right, guys, that's that close for the 2000 and tens. Let's close the shutter. We'll come back to this in 2029 and see where we're at there. This stuff is would. I'm not talking about as if I know, but surely this stuff would be too sensitive, too advanced, too precious to not be working on it 24 7. I can't exciting not to just like clock off at 5 o', clock, Dan, and go home and they turn the lights out and the craft just sits there. Or does another shift come in and work on it and then another shift, like.
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Dan Cleary
But to be fair, let's say you've had something in your facilities since 1952 and then 40 years later you've learned nothing. Maybe you would slow down. Maybe you wouldn't have 24 hour shifts going on. Maybe it would be the kind of thing where, you know, let's take a crack at this for six months every year and see where we get. And then, you know, chill out for a minute. So at a certain point with no progress, I can see why you might slow down, but completely. No, I don't think so.
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Pavel
This is where we get to the sea change. Because I don't know if you guys remember that interview that came out on American Alchemy, Neon Galactic and I think Gerbs channel too where they interviewed Dr. Davis. He talks about how he got a lot of flack for eating the salad and all that, right? But in that interview he specifically told Gerv to his face that ARVs are not a thing, they're not real. And we know that Gerv, this is like his whole thing. He is convinced that they're real and that we have working ARVs as part of the government, the US government in this interview. And I'm just going to show you this clip right here where Davis talks about Gerb about four times. He calls him Sammy Gerb, which I thought was hilarious. This is where we see a different opinion from Davis where he seems to change his tune on whether there is reverse engineered craft or technology. And I'm going to show it to you right here because I think this was a very important part of the whole conversation, the meat of the conversation, in my opinion.
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Dan Cleary
So here it is to the program
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Andy
being shut down in 89.
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Dan Cleary
So Gerb pushed back on this podcast. And by the way folks, he is an excellent, excellent researcher. And the question was around this, you know, the program being shut down, as you said in 1989, is that firsthand information that you know or were you.
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Matt Ford
It was firsthand from the legacy program.
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Pavel
What happened?
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Dan Cleary
You gotta pay your WI FI bill, buddy.
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Matt Ford
I mean we senior VP at that one company and he was not talking about his company, he was talking about all of the companies. And the problem is Hal hit a milestone birthday last month and he's older than God, you know, God love him. And his memory is not quite as sharp at the detailed information level. So how. How Forgot. He's forgotten. Sure. So the first hand information is that the entire Legacy program was shut down in eight.
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Pavel
Hold on. What the hell this is.
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Dan Cleary
That's a wild statement.
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Andy
Wow.
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Pavel
Yeah, this was a wild one, I think. But let me refresh. Hold on.
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Dan Cleary
Just saying how I was wrong. I mean, yes, it could be right.
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Matt Ford
I, you know, God love him. And his memory is not quite as sharp at the detailed information level. So how. How forgot. He's forgotten. Sure. So the firsthand information is that the entire legacy program was shut down in 89. But the CIA. What Hal forgot to say is that maybe Hal didn't think he could say it, but I will say it. The CIA. I'm, I'm sorry. The legacy that, that senior VP said the CIA will bring it out once every 10 years and give new contracts to the companies and then they will bring it and that they will receive the materials back and they will attempt to use. Now we're 10 years into the future from the shutdown and it may take and it meant, and they may not be successful but they get a contract, they get the materials, they work on it and they said ah, we still can't figure it out. So they put it back into cold storage again for another 10 year period. CIA comes back, says okay, try again. So they're going to keep doing this until the laboratory diagnostic instrumentation, physics theories, applied physics and engineering principles catch up. And then when that next 10 year period comes that it gets resurfaced for another look by the legacy programs, legacy companies, then they may get successful. And I think given what McCaskey said about the triangular shaped crap which I had never heard about, not just me, but all some, several of us on the OS app at the contractor level that tells me that somebody somewhere got successful and not okay. Now since the companies can't talk to each other, it won't be Boeing and Lockheed, it won't be Lockheed and Raytheon and it won't be Raytheon and Northrop Grumman or some combination thereof of all that. It could be somebody else. Even Battelle, by the way, Battelle Memorial Institute was another one. So that's one that Sammy didn't think about. They are an FFREC and they had material analysis for Project Blue Book and they had a classified report, top secret. Jacques nicknamed it the Pentacle Memo in his first volume of Forbidden Science. And unfortunately the modern versions, that book you can get, you know, the updated newer version, they don't have that damn memo in it. You have to go back and get the old one with the green paperback cover and it's got the Pinnacle memo reproduced in it. So it's been allegedly declassified. I think it has been declassified finally.
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Pavel
So that's enough. You know, we've seen him denying this for a while multiple times and now he's like not so sure about it because of what La Caskey said.
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Dan Cleary
So.
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Pavel
And this also talks a lot about the division that there is between people from the OS app crew. And you know, I don't know if Davis and put off and all that, those guys. Because like Catsky has been criticizing Lu Londo very publicly that he wasn't part of any program really. That a tip wasn't real. He said that. But now it doesn't seem like Dr. Davis is so sure that reverse engineering was not successful based on what La Caskey has stated. What are your thoughts on that though? I thought that was very, very important.
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Andy
I think it's really important for me right, in this topic to not think that any one person is totally infallible. And there's this like thing that people put on any individual that once they make a mistake or say something slightly wrong or they, they misconnect a dot somewhere, that's them out. And I think people have to be careful with Gerb not to do this. He has a guy and I get, I see all the jokes about Gab not being human, right? Probably not. Like I said that that level of the, the way he speaks and how he speaks, the eloquency, the intelligence, the knowledge isn't normal. That's not something that if I just read lots and lots and lots I could do. I will never be able to retain that level of information and speak about it in that way. The closest I Got was early 2000s WWF pay per views right back in the day and it still wasn't that level of confidence. So there's like a savant level I've said before for me around Garb and how he is, he speaks, how his brain and mind works. So we have to be careful that as in when anyone in this topic is pointed out as having got something wrong and that includes put off Elizondo, Kilter Corbell. I'm just trying to name different things here, not just individuals. Gerb, Davis, that it means there's something wrong. These people don't all work together. And I think what it points to and I hope this makes sense the way I'm talking as there's not like a big truth that a group of individuals know that you can pick him, him, her, her, him, him and her and go, this is, this is the group and they know the truth. Because I think different silos know different things and sometimes they, they intermingle and they know a little bit different stuff. So Davis, Davis's point to me makes sense that I actually like the fact he's changed his tune and that. Oh well actually and I've always said your opinion should be fluid. Oh well, the Catsky said this. So based on what he knows of the Catsky and what the Catsky said probably publicly and privately. If he's saying that, then for Davis, that seems to be good enough, that something did change and that someone down the line. Again, if us three all have parts of UFOs and we're all working on these for various different reasons. If I'm a private contractor and there are billions or trillions of dollars at stake here, reputation, future contracts, money, national security. Am I phoning Pavel and Dan when I crack something and going, by the way, I need to share this with you both, or am I keeping this to myself and letting the guys in government know, listen, I've. I've made a breakthrough here. You're probably doing the latter. That's what's happening. They're not phoning around and sharing the good news with everyone in the same way. Pharmaceutical companies and drug companies don't make a breakthrough and share the recipe with everyone, do they? No, they keep their cocktail for them and they monetize it. That's. That's what I probably think is happening here, that it's refreshing. And it's that whole thing about talking in absolutes where I like the fact that Davis has went, actually, I've changed my mind on this. Here's why. And it makes sense to me. And I get. Not everyone may agree with that. And to that point, again, just to hammer home, Gerb has this for what some folks think flawless record. You have to at least pay attention to a guy like Davis coming out and saying, actually, there's some things he might have got wrong there. And that's where I've. I'd love to speak to Gerb in a long form, interview in a different way that he's maybe done before and have that conversation around how he handles this. And he goes down very specific routes. But I would love to know how he. How he chooses his angles of attack. Does he leave out anything, particularly? Because it's either not relevant, he's not interested, or it doesn't fit into a piece that he's working on and trying to get to the bottom of something. What does that whole structure and process for him look like? In the same way like working with musicians, Dan, how somebody figures out a track or a lyric or a piece of music where they keep going back to it and back to it and back to it, and you see the handwritten lyrics to one of your favorite songs are a little bit different to what you end up hearing in the Polish record. Of course, Garb's whole process is not going to be flawless. The people behind Gear, who he gets his information from. It's not just a guy who's well researched at this point. I'm sorry, that's just not. Not what it is. But no, I think there's definitely happy mediums there. Yeah. So I'll let somebody else come in on that.
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Dan Cleary
Dan, I like what you said about. About Davis changing his mind. And it was the exact same thought that I had. I think the fact that he was like, you know, I might have been wrong about this will now make me put more. Not faith, but I will listen more closely to what David says now because he is someone who can be like,
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Andy
I might have been wrong.
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Dan Cleary
And I'm. And he's open to learn more about it. I think that's a huge step. It's one of my favorite things about people is when people can. Can expand their view on something or admit maybe they were incorrect.
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Pavel
It's.
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Dan Cleary
It's huge. So it makes me put more stock in what Latsky says, which I already kind of had. I think the fact that Davis gives him such respect for his opinion is huge. And. And like I said, now Davis going back on it is a huge step for me. And a little bit, I like Davis already, but a little bit more respect than I even had before.
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Andy
Can I add something?
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Dan Cleary
I.
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Andy
You know, when I was watching the HAL Put off and garb, and I think some folks viewed it as an interrogation. Gerb was phenomenal. He put a lot of stuff to put off where I am imagining in that moment. Put off sitting thinking a lot of what this stuff this guy's saying is correct. I'm also imagining put off's going. Some of that's not quite right. That's. That's a little confused. But put off can't come out and say that.
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Dan Cleary
You can't correct it. He can't correctly.
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Andy
Yeah. At least no, you know what you're saying this company was involved. That's not correct. Because what you're then doing is telling him that there was another company. So you just let him speak and you. And you work out from there. Like I. Sorry to analogize everything. Right. That's like. That's my gerbism where. I love analogies. Folks know that now. Like when you're playing a computer game and you've got Mario World 1 of 1, and you've got 111-2-13-14, 15-16, and you're talking about. You're an expert on those levels, but you've not got to number two yet. And then you see the bigger map Put off's probably sitting thinking or a Davis about the bigger map that maybe Gerb doesn't have the exposure to because no one does. But Garb's probably working his way to those places at some point. Do you help him get there? Do you let him get there on his own or other places that he wouldn't get to without being pointed in the right direction?
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Pavel
I think that actually happened in the interview because there was a moment when Eric Davis was basically telling her is like the people you're naming and Al or Hal. You mean Davis? Davis. Davis in. In this interview.
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Dan Cleary
Okay.
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Matt Ford
He said.
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Pavel
He said the people you're naming, I mean, you can name them. You have to. I think they're like part of the problem. But Davis was like, those are not the gatekeepers. And that gave me an indication of what you're saying, Andy, that they do have like a broader probably idea of. Of the. The whole situation. And Gerb is probably gonna get to that eventually. And I just want to know, like, if Davis is so sure that those are not the gatekeepers, the ones that Gerb has been naming in his channel, who are the gatekeepers? And he says that they're from afosi counterintelligence, and that every single cell, every single agency within the the government has a counterintelligence sort of operation in favor of the Legacy Program. And he thinks those are exactly the gatekeepers, not necessarily the security people that Gerb has been mentioning, like Terry Phillips and all of these people.
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Andy
Can I fire through some of the quotes specifically about Gerb from Davis? And this will hopefully allow people who haven't seen it. But again, I'm sure Pavel and Dan are the same. I always stress if you can go and check out the original content from Matt Ford. So on Garb getting the gatekeepers wrong, Davis said, so you're going to have two or three or four government guys plus the gatekeepers. That's another thing Sammy got wrong. He's a young guy. He's not 30 years. He doesn't have 30 years of experience that I have. And then he says, see, I. We got to understand. Sammy doesn't grasp that there's a distinction. The Legacy Program's jargon. Those two words refer to the aerospace, defense industry. It doesn't refer to the government offices, because government program offices and intelligence. And in the military on or Department of Defense, Department of War, they get reorganized. They constantly get reorganized. So this is the point on Ger being young or lacking experience. So I have to remind you that Sammy's young. He's green. He's not. He doesn't have a PhD in anything or a master's. I don't even know if he has a bachelor's degree. The point is, he doesn't know these distinctions. And the distinction is program offices in the government, they constantly change on Gab, naming the wrong labs. And unfortunately, Sammy named Lovermore and Oak Ridge. He couldn't be more wrong. It's the other two. So the context here being, I think the relevant labs were Los Alamos and Idaho National Lab, not Lover. More than Oak Ridge. So that might be a point where Davis is perhaps trying to. To feed Gab some information.
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Pavel
Yeah. Help him out.
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Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Andy
And that clip we saw him mention, Battelle Memorial Institute was another one. So that's one Sammy didn't think about. You can look at that as being barbed or pointed, but he's. He's pointing in a direction. So I'm sure Garb takes that the right way and goes, okay, let me go down that route. He says, I know from talking with him during the OSAP and during the ATIP and during his task force that I gave him enough information. I think this is a. Lou, he's talking about Elizondo, that he used to track down who the gatekeeper is. And that's another thing. Sammy Gerb confused all of the audience in that. But anyways, Sammy got that wrong about Lou. Lou was. And he goes about Jay. I think he was talking about Lou, but Jay. So again, he's gone back and forth with Elizondo and Stratton. And then the clearest quote here on what Eric thinks Gerb got wrong. So the gatekeepers, that's where Sammy fell down. Sammy was naming programs, program offices. The office of this, the office of that, the director of this, the director of that, he said, that sounds like one of those books I read my little Boy at Night. The director of this, the director of that, he said, those are the gatekeepers. That's what he's implying, were the gatekeepers. They are not the gatekeepers. They are the program offices. He got it wrong. You want to target them? Yes, absolutely. But they are not the gatekeepers. The gatekeepers are. Here's the clue. Here's the hint. Hold on to your chair. The counter intelligence officers. Those are some direct quotes.
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Dan Cleary
I wonder if this might be a case of. Of how each of them define a gatekeeper. Yeah, you know, someone just standing in the way, someone trying to get you off the. Off the center, off the trail. Could be considered a gatekeeper trying to distract somebody or there's people that are really making serious decisions to keep things
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Pavel
quiet or somebody who has potentially harmed people who have been looking into this. And those are also considered gatekeepers by some people. Right.
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Andy
I mean they would. By definition, they're keeping the secret by offing people. Yeah, yeah.
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Dan Cleary
Or at least making the decision to have that done.
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Pavel
Yeah.
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Andy
And there, there are other levels of gatekeepers. We, I think sometimes we can find gatekeepers. They are the guys that once you get in that room, okay, you made it here, Dan. Here's all this the truth. Maybe there's folk in that room that go, listen, we work on, on this aspect of the topic. We are strongly kept away from these elements. You know, you don't, you don't make a new technology like I, I work for a satellite company. When they made their last cable box, parts of it were manufactured in China, other parts were manufactured in Turkey, other parts were manufactured in the uk. Those organizations didn't know what they were making the ultimate product. They knew the specifications of the bet they were making to keep it secret until NDAs were passed and all that kind of stuff. So surely the UFO conversation would be the same where no matter how high ranking you are, outside of a truly select chosen less than 10 people, you don't know the full cardinal secret recipe.
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Dan Cleary
I agree.
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Pavel
Yep.
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Andy
Or you know, 90 truth 10 just to make sure that things are kept murky.
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Pavel
Interesting. That was, it was a really good interview, man. Kudos to Matt Ford for a really good interview. They left a lot of new stuff there and for people to try and look for other avenues. I think that he handled talking about Gerb okay because Gerb has been like going against people like him for a while and he showed class there. I think he wasn't disrespectful, he wasn't rude or anything. I really like that. That, that was a good sign for me.
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Andy
G. G's a big boy. I'm sure G can handle himself. And he seems intelligent, or I'm not going to say intelligent enough because that's condescending. He's intelligent on a level that he can take what he needs from any of those comments from Putov, from Davis, and it gives him direction one way or another.
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Pavel
Also, also one thing that I do got to say there, because this is what, what happened with Ger being part of that Fresh Freedom podcast. It wasn't planned. He was like there and I think Burleson invited him. Yeah, it wasn't. It was like in the heat of the moment and he took the Opportunity that fell on his lap and he just ran with it. And had he had time to plan it a little bit more, I think it would have gone come out a little differently than it did. Yeah, you know, I think so. I, I, I don't think that he would have been probably as on the nose with, with Hal, because there were moments when you could clearly see Gerb going like, I don't agree with that. Like, his face was like when, when Abby Loeb said that he, he didn't like the past and we had to look into the future. You could see Gerb squirming like, what the is this guy talking about? Right then it probably would have been a little bit different, I think. And the question looks are good.
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Dan Cleary
Those looks are important though, because those looks speak for, I think, all of us, you know.
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Andy
Yeah, but for me, though, G, G, I, I think I said last time, G's not an interviewer. I, I don't, what I would want to see is, is Putov or that type of guy on one side, Gerb on another, and a mediator in the middle to actually hone the questions. Because sometimes, and this isn't just me, GERB can see so much. Sometimes it's too much in a question. And I can feel sometimes that I get the gist of the question, but I didn't need all the acronyms. I need that dumbed down a little bit. And could you get more by asking less? So would a Joe Rogan, perhaps in the middle of that, be able to go, I'm not going to sit and tell Garb, well, shut up. I don't know what you're talking about or put off, but someone with that level of, you know, respect to be able to say G, blah, blah, blah, dumb that down for me because that makes no sense. What are you actually trying to ask here? And then when put off or a Davis or someone tries to be a dick about the question, you can go, no, no, no. Gerb's making a really fair point. He's asking you this at least at a base level. And that's what I would want to see. So you've got Garb, who is literally the brain, the knowledge, the guy who is putting sledgehammers at the door here. But you just need someone to refine it and narrow it down for me. So guys like, put off Davis counterintelligence, other guys can't worm their way out of stuff. And yeah, that's what I would like to see. But that's a personal opinion.
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Dan Cleary
I will say I know you said the. Gerb is not an interviewer. I know what you mean by that, but I will say I think he actually is a great one. I've spent quite a bit of time with him privately too and seen him have conversations with, with, you know, intelligent folks and he changes the way he asks questions depending on who he's talking to and I think what he's trying to figure out. So he does have the ability to, you know, dumb down questions and make it more straightforward and he does that. I mean, privately he's a, he's a pretty phenomenal interviewer. I mean he knows what he's trying
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Andy
to get at and that in that instance though, it was like Pavel said, it was barbed and right at him. Not prepared. I mean you, you say not prepared, but I mean he sounded prepared.
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Dan Cleary
He's been wondering for years. You know, he's, he's asked the question in his head a million times.
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Andy
I would just love to see it directed a little bit differently to maybe get the most out of the questions and some of these guys answers because again, just as an audience member, if I don't understand the question, then it won't just be me. So then am I going to understand the answer? Yeah, but that's where for me Gerb should be on Burleson staff working behind the scenes on this like that. Why is he not there? Why not Pavel? Why is he not there?
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Pavel
I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily say he's not.
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Andy
I was going to say unless he is now because it seems like he's the type of guy who should be helping.
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Pavel
It makes sense that he is helping with a lot of, a lot of stuff to not just Burleson, but everybody involved there. You know, it just makes sense. I mean if you're, if you're smart enough, you could tell that there's a lot of stuff that Gerb talks about that is probably coming directly from Crush, you know.
- [94:13]
Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Pavel
And, and I, I don't have information on this or anything. It's just me assuming things. I've actually asked directly about this and they've given me the. Can't tell you anything. So. So back I'm just assuming.
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Andy
Yeah, yeah, obviously, you know, happens when you assume. But to my point, Dan, about gear being wasted by interviewing someone people might be like, I've seen comments of I want to see Garb with put off for two and a half hours asking questions. I'd rather know Gerb was behind the scenes in a room with no time limit with no microphones dealing with this because you could put me in with those guys. I'm not going to be able to get any, any progress made politically, scientifically, academically. I don't have that respect. You put a garb in that room and a guy who can literally say no, this is correct because X, Y, Z, W, all the letters of the Alphabet, that's where you need a garbage. That's that for me is otherwise you're wasting, you're wasting a five star chef in a cafe making sandwiches.
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Dan Cleary
I think the three of us enjoy interviewing people and enjoy talking to people and having those conversations. I don't think the Gerb wants to be an interviewer. I don't think he wants to do that stuff. If he talks to someone, it's not for like entertainment. It's not for like let me show off my skills. He literally just wants a bunch of things. Yeah. I don't think he wants to be, you know, Jesse or anybody. I think he just wants to. He just wants to make his films and, and learn and get to the bottom of stuff for the benefit of everybody.
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Andy
Yeah.
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Pavel
Yep. So can we go through some questions if that's okay with you guys? How many do you have, Andy? I got like eight singled out right now. Some of them are super chats.
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Andy
I've just got a couple that were sent into me and anyone in the that UFO podcast chat, I can't keep up with all the different stuff. So if someone puts a question in from the YouTube chat now I could maybe grab it. But yeah, go for it.
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Pavel
Okay, let's the first super chat. Thank you to Luke Yellow Tail. It says if either of you get a chance to talk to Matt Brown, ask him to break down his first X post. It seems like no one has asked him personally. Esotericism. I'm not sure if I can answer that, but I would guess that if he does that he would probably do it in like a major podcast and the podcaster asks him or something like that. What do you guys think?
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Andy
Dan, I think you're right.
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Dan Cleary
I think you're right.
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Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Dan Cleary
No one's hasn't done any big interviews except for what weaponized since, since he first came out. Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure someone will get to him at some point and I also don't know how in the detail he will go. I don't know that he would answer
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Pavel
it or if the interviewer is going to be well versed enough to ask him about that. Right. Because yeah, we don't know if, if Honestly, if I'm, if I'm completely honest with you, I don't think Joe Rogan is going to ask him about that specifically if he ever get goes on Joe Rogan. However, if he goes, for example, and with Jess, with Chris on Error 52 or something like that, he will probably get asked that question will be one of the first ones.
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Matt Ford
Right.
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Andy
I'd like to thank Matt and or Dylan are going to be on some of these podcasts in the near future. I mean the vanguard stuff's launched and I think before we finish we need to talk about that. So I would love to see them on, on some of these platforms too because you get a level of conversation on a Rogan, on a Sean Ryan in a three hour format. I think you get some drilled down, more pointed questions on some of the lesser shows.
- [98:01]
Dan Cleary
Yep, I agree.
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Pavel
Here's another one. Thank you for the super chat. It says I'm worried the government will introduce us a hole aliens once they have deals with instead of nice factions who avoid our toxic government. That's an interesting comment right there. What do you guys think?
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Dan Cleary
That kind of reminds me of what, what Luna said about when the guy asked her in that interview, you know, are we dealing with a defense thing or spiritual thing? And she said, well, with my pin on, basically when I'm on the job, it's a threat thing. So I, I think this question is kind of talking about that. Like we told about the ones that we should be scared of before we hear about the ones that are like friendlies probably. I think they still have to push the, the threat thing to get people really interested to get your attention. You need to be told that you're in danger somehow and then also for to get that budget money, you know,
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Andy
Andy, I think the US government should keep their nose out of football and stop rescinding red cards with her. They're not being asked to do it for a start. Like before we talk about disclosure
- [99:12]
Pavel
of
- [99:12]
Andy
all the thing Donald Trump's done, he can keep his knows out football and yeah, that's utter nonsense. But yeah, of all the stuff for me to get annoyed at Trump about it.
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Dan Cleary
And that's great.
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Andy
Yeah, the deal stuff's really weird because do you really think we've got the Chinese, the Russian and the, the US government in touch with different races being played off against each other? That seems a stretch to me. Perhaps an entity or group are in touch with one government, maybe multiple, I don't know, the whole a hole alien stuff like that. I think the bad ones we would, we would have met by now or know about. I don't think anything that's interacting with us or has been interacting with us or is necessarily observing us is mega, mega bad. I think they might be indifferent. I think they might be a little bit, you know, don't F up your planet too bad or we will step in. But at this point, we've done a lot of. So here's the point, Pavel, I'm intrigued to see what you're going to come in with here, so I'll make this point first. We have done, I think, all the bad things that a species could do to itself we have pretty much done other than annihilate ourselves unless we have done that in the past and we are another iteration of it. Right? But right now, if you look at the stuff that happens to kids and I'll protect the algorithm here, the unalivings, the genocides, the wars, the nuclear testing that kills all the fish, the underground testing, the mining, the planet of all its resources, we are doing about pollution. Every bad thing imaginable has happened over and over and over again. If at this point an NHI hasn't come down and went stop, what exactly would it be waiting on?
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Pavel
I just wonder. That urge to take someone's life historically, I just wonder if that is really a human evolutionary trait or if it also involve some kind of manipulation or influence to make us want to take somebody else's life. And, and this goes into the. This whole. This goes into the whole ethereal conversation of what the phenomenon is and how there has been probably potentially influence to pin us against each other and kill each other. I don't know if that is real or not, but there's certainly been like a constant war between different factions throughout humanity's history. And I just, I would like to know what if a lot of that is influenced by something else? So it can happen.
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Andy
I think we do. Like Dan says, naturally it goes back to being like cavemen and stuff like that and protecting your, Protecting your family, protecting your food, protecting your cave.
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Pavel
That's a different thing. That's a different thing than carpet bombing entire populations of people with children and, and not really.
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Andy
What about like Africa then, for example, where they don't have carpet bombing, but they have guys with machetes that will just run through a village and slaughter anyone in sight because their religion pronounces a word slightly differently.
- [102:38]
Dan Cleary
Which is, which is they're doing that because it's better for their community and their family. In their mind. In their minds. Yes.
- [102:45]
Andy
Yes.
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Dan Cleary
That's what they think.
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Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Pavel
So not that it's necessarily right. Right.
- [102:51]
Andy
Some of them do, clearly.
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Dan Cleary
I mean there's, there's, there's factions of chimpanzees right now that are, that are in the midst of right now of a civil war between different groups of chimps where like at night they'll go into other chimp villages and like kill all the children and kill the males and then there'll be like revenge. Like that's happening amongst animal kingdom all the time.
- [103:13]
Andy
It sounds like Dan got stoned and watched Planet of the Apes and thought it was the, like they had this.
- [103:17]
Dan Cleary
The channel really resentful of people making jokes about my drug use. Okay. Personal. It's.
- [103:27]
Pavel
They should be making fun of me.
- [103:29]
Andy
National Geographic. Oh, these apes are going crazy, man. Look like.
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Dan Cleary
Yeah, no, I think it's part of. It's. It's part of being an animal is just that urge to kill and protect and hoard. Hoard resources and goods and food and be suspect of everyone and everything around you. It sucks.
- [103:50]
Andy
I'm a Thano, not one.
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Pavel
Okay, just a question. Okay, so here's another one that I think is interesting. After hundreds of hours of interviews, what's the one question you believe the UFO community should be asking that almost nobody is?
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Andy
I saw this earlier. This is like, this is like whenever I do listener questions for like a big interview, the one that used to always come up would be what's the one question that X hasn't been asked yet that we should be asking them? And see, whenever you ask it, it just gets circumnavigated. Like it's, it's, it's a really hard one because it's so subjective and I hate to know Moonman be the person to circumnavigate your question because my. It could be, you know, who, who are the people that should be called out as being full of the question? I mean, one that would be fair would be has anyone been keeping track tabs of all the timelines of folks that have posted loads of predictions or loads of sources say this is happening soon and see when it's not happened, they don't get called out on it. And their followers and people who look after them and their numbers keep going up. There's no consequence for it. There's a couple of. And I like, I see I stay out of the jibes and the drama by naming folk, but there's a few reasonably big channels that got big doing that making stuff up. Never been called out on it and just moving on to the next thing the following week, the next live show, the next sensationalism. And yeah, I, I, that, that really frustrates me. I, I don't make predictions, I just commentate. You can like it, you can disagree, you cannot. That that's totally fine. It's generally my opinion based on how I am, what I think and that can change. But yeah, I would love the UFO community to be asking a little bit more. I suppose that's one for someone to have kind of kept a spreadsheet and loaded it into an AI and been like spot patterns of bullshit.
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Pavel
Dan,
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Dan Cleary
I have no idea how to answer this question. I have no idea. I think every question has been asked should be asking that. Almost nobody is. I think all the important questions are being asked.
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Pavel
To me there is one important question that almost nobody asked. What is aliens sense of humor like, or did they, they even have a sense of humor? Could it be that they're just like at some points just with us. Do you guys remember when in, when the, the whole drone phenomenon was happening at Lake and Heath and then there was this like video of a guy, one of these lights that was like sending a Morse code that they were saying something along the lines of we, we come in peace or something like that. What if that was actually an NHI and they were just, just with people and just like having a ball.
- [107:01]
Andy
That's something that had a sense of humor. I would appreciate that.
- [107:04]
Pavel
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a question that isn't asked too much really.
- [107:10]
Andy
Do you know on that, Pavel, to take that slightly different way, but keep the, the nature of it. People like Davis talking about like telling guys like G, oh you're wrong with this, you're wrong with this, but you could be right with this. I would love to know what are some of the videos or pictures out there now that are legitimate that people maybe think are hoaxes or get debunked or are not real? Because there will be some videos and pictures and I don't mean like the oh, the Skinny Bob video, but maybe it is. But you know, stuff that people maybe don't realize that a Davis or a put off or someone really in the know, perhaps a gerb could point and go see this. This video is online. No one looks at it, no one cares about it. It's not a speck of light, it's not a dot, it's not something fuzzy. People think this is AI or CGI or. No, this is a legitimate video. And the closest one for me Would be the turkey VHS stuff or whatever it's called. Unless it's a cruise ship in the night, which I. I hope not, but, yeah, I know that's the common debunk, but I don't think so.
- [108:17]
Dan Cleary
I. I want to know so much about. There's two videos I want to know a lot about. The triangle over the water that's like, you know, the. The TR3B type thing that's just kind of rotating over the water. The guys filming at night, you can hear water running. And then the one of the. The car with the thing spinning above the car that goes up into the sky, you know, the light shining down on the car. You guys seen that one? You know what I'm talking about?
- [108:42]
Pavel
No.
- [108:43]
Dan Cleary
All right, I'll send it to you guys in the chat. It's two. It's two great videos that I. That make me feel weird. Makes me feel weird when I see them. And I'm like, I want to know about those.
- [108:52]
Andy
Can I just say, because Dan Pavel and I want to do this kind of. We clear every couple of weeks you make a regular kind of Monday show. If people want to send in their questions like that, what is not being asked that people think should be being asked. And also that would get an answer, then we could read that kind of stuff out would be quite good. So, yeah, yep.
- [109:13]
Pavel
It's nice that we have two more Friday now. We're kind of getting something on Mondays going, which I like.
- [109:20]
Andy
Morning Monday. Yeah, Monday, you got another one, Another question.
- [109:27]
Pavel
Or like this guy says, happy meltdown Monday.
- [109:31]
Andy
Meltdown Monday.
- [109:33]
Pavel
Thanks for all your helping to break down all these fascinating topics. Thank you, David. And he also sent a super chat to you, Andy, Right here. That was for you.
- [109:43]
Andy
Shall I read it out then, in my voice? Andy Pavel and Dan making an otherwise rotten Monday. A lot better. The new shed looks great. And Andy, David's a cool guy, not just because he gave us 4.99.
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Pavel
I met him at Contact. He was. He was speaking to everybody. He's a really. He has a really cool energy. So thank you, man.
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Andy
That's nice because you weren't speaking to Eric Davis at Contact, were you? He ran away from you.
- [110:07]
Pavel
Yeah, he told us to bugger off, basically. Me and Missile Man.
- [110:14]
Dan Cleary
You know what?
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Andy
I. I really appreciate someone in the chat kept us up to date with the football. Scored and said 1 nil to Spain. Thanks, folks.
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Pavel
Oh, who scored? Thank you.
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Andy
Yeah, stuck in the chat. Who scored for Spain? Thanks, folks.
- [110:26]
Pavel
That's nice, dude. Merino on the 91st minute.
- [110:31]
Matt Ford
Whoa.
- [110:35]
Pavel
Poor, poor Ronaldo. That's his last game, I think.
- [110:38]
Andy
Yeah, good. He's not messy.
- [110:42]
Pavel
Yeah. Your questions next? Yours?
- [110:46]
Andy
My questions. So I had some random stuff. Oh, are we going to mention Vanguard before we go off as well? Because.
- [110:55]
Pavel
Oh, yeah, we can continue with that and then finish with your questions, if that's okay.
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Andy
Yeah, yeah, let's go into Vanguard because I think that's really important to. To bring up.
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Pavel
Yeah. So Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland last Saturday finally announced the Vanguard website where you can go and if you want to support them or people like them, you can go there. We're going to leave it in the description after the show. But to me, the most important part of Vanguard is that this is intended to encourage people who are not public yet to come forward and get the support that they are fearing they won't get if they come forward. And there's something that I said on my video where I speak about this is that the goal really for Vanguard is to not need Vanguard. If there is some kind of executive order where whistleblowers are protected the way Vanguard is trying to protect them, Vanguard is not going to be. It's not going to continue, I think. Would you guys agree with that?
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Matt Ford
Yeah.
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Andy
Can I just read the launch statement from them, Pavel, on their on the X post? So they said. Today, on the 250th anniversary of our nation, we launched the Vanguard Enterprise. For decades, Americans inside the national security enterprise have carried knowledge of extraordinary public consequence. Some have come forward lawfully. Many have paid a terrible price. Washington has many systems for protecting secrets. Vanguard is building one for protecting the people who tell the truth. Founded by UAP whistleblowers Dylan Borland and Matthew Brown, Vanguard as a civilian led 501 nonprofit focused on UAP whistleblower support, public education and lawful disclosure. Our mission is simple. Protect the whistleblowers, disclose the truth and ensure that no warrior for the truth is left behind. On that, can I ask your thoughts on. I had said a few weeks ago on do my Friday shows and my own show, the Disclosure foundation, that was previously the disclosure fund, people were questioning where the money was going because you've got this fund and the whistleblowers are not getting the money so much, so they're having to set up their own organization to try and fund legal help. Bill, Bill help, all that kind of stuff. Then at the disclosure forum, the disclosure foundation donated $10,000 to Vanguard. As that PR. Is that them changing direction? What do you think that is?
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Dan Cleary
I don't think it matters. I don't. I actually, I don't. I don't. I personally don't care at the moment. I, I get what you're saying, but I'm just glad that people that need help at the moment have gotten some.
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Pavel
Yep.
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Dan Cleary
And so far, as far as I can tell, whatever the reason for doing it, they've done more than anybody else so far. So I'll take it as a positive and a win no matter what.
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Pavel
And. And they realized that there was some kind of discomfort when. Because when to take you down the timeline, when Matthew Brown announced or semi announced that this was happening on a weaponized show. I think it was around the same week when the Disclosure foundation announced their own fund. And there were also talks of Seoul potentially doing the same thing. Dr. Gary Nolan is on record saying that they needed some kind of whistleblower fund to help them. And I think this was sort of taken as maybe this is some kind of competition which shouldn't be. And I'm glad that it was corrected and that the Disclosure foundation extended a helping hand to Matthew and, and Dylan. So if there was a misunderstanding, it was fixed, I think. And, and so far I agree with Dan here, but we'll still kind of keep an eye out on whatever happens, I think.
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Andy
Yeah.
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Dan Cleary
What are your thoughts, Andy?
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Andy
I know a lot of folks were really keen on supporting Borland and Brown when they came forward. There was a real empathy and I think people gravitated to both of them. The way they spoke, they were both very different. It wasn't like an act. And they both came out looking like, you know, two sides of the same coin. They both sounded nervous, they both sounded a little unsure and in a natural way, you know, not about what they were talking about. And that, that really affected a lot of folks and they wanted to help out. And I just wanted to make sure that if folks want to do that, the links will be in the description for the website for the donation options. I also understand there will be people wanting to hear probably more from Matthew and Dylan both before they go ahead and donate. So that's what I hope we get. I hope. I would love to speak to Boland and Brown tomorrow. You know that's not going to happen. I hope they get to go on a Sean Ryan, a Joe Rogan, a massive platform and have that conversation, and then guys like us can kind of feed off of the scraps. But, yeah, I, I hope people can. That want to donate, go and do that now. I. I get. And I think the guys went about it the right way doing this because they did speak to people to get opinions and they are, they are aware of how many of these organizations come out and ask for people's money and then where does it go? I think when you talk about transparency and all that kind of stuff, you know, that's really important. And where, where things may or may not go in terms of finances, it means a lot to people. So yeah, I think they're doing it the right way. I get their kind of hamstrung maybe in terms of what they can say. They can't exactly go and show us receipts every other week to say we've paid someone's legal bill, we have funded someone's rent for the month. That's not how this is going to work. But yeah, I'd love to get Pavel's thoughts, but it looks like, looks like he's frozen, Dan. So he's just very calm right now. Unless he's just really intensely reading some comments on the screen. Oh, yeah, he's now dropped out the chat, so no doubt he'll be back in. I'm glad you're on with me though, because otherwise I'd just be sitting kind of hanging fire myself here.
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Dan Cleary
That would be interesting. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I'm, I'm proud of those guys. I'm proud of what they're doing. I'm proud of the way that they've gone about doing it. I know that, I know that you've spoken to them as well and I, I find them to be highly trustworthy and I do, I sincerely believe that they will do the right thing with, with, with those funds and I'm glad that there's a place that people can donate directly to the people that need it directly. No middleman. Yep.
- [117:53]
Andy
Speaking of people, people needing financial support and just while we wait on Pavel coming back, Anomalous Cards, super chat in. And I know Anomalous Cards sponsor Pavel's podcast and I checked out the website, by the way. Anomalous cards. Even though you don't care about me and have never spoken to me about them, they look, they look really cool. Said with speculation about reasons for the NHI or NUKE connection. A leading theory has been that threats from nukes might also put NHI at risk. Anyone considered, if possible, emerging threats posed by AI could be influencing NHI or uap. So I'm wondering, is that like a kind of Skynet type scenario where AI decides to nuke the planet? And, and you know, I'm not too sure. I, I have always subscribed to the idea that when we started messing about with atomic weapons, with nuclear weapons back in the 30s and 40s, whenever those early to earliest tests were, did we knock on the door of something else. And that's why Pavel shut his job Done, basically.
- [118:56]
Dan Cleary
Oh, there he is.
- [118:58]
Pavel
This kicked me out, man. I don't know what happened, but I'm back.
- [119:01]
Andy
Ah, yeah, sorry. I. I've just read the super chat, if you want to stick it on screen from anomalous cards. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're just having a very quick chat. I've just read it out about what that may be. So I suggested about the. Is that the kind of Skynet idea of AI deciding to nuke the planet and NHI don't like it? Can you imagine? That's the real battle. NHI saving us from AI. That would be cool.
- [119:26]
Dan Cleary
This is something that's been talked about on Doomer Friday since the inception of the four of us talking. Is this connection with NHI and AI clearly being some kind of point of convergence with all things where either AI will find a way to make their reality known to everybody or that AI would be an actual threat to humanity. And if we are, let's say we are property of some kind of NHI being, I think they would have a reason to jump in to protect us from annihilation. If we are some kind of resource or someone's pet or just something that someone cares about. I don't know.
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Andy
I spoke to a guy at Seoul over dinner. Sounds romantic. Actually, it was quite romantic. Even though there was a whole room of us, and he's got an orgy
- [120:15]
Dan Cleary
bud,
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Andy
thank you very much. And he works for a major AI company. And he said there was no way, shape or form that he didn't see the AI thing going really badly really soon. He was like, there's no way that this goes well for us. And I mean, he works like an AI. He is like, yeah.
- [120:36]
Dan Cleary
God damn.
- [120:37]
Andy
He was like, nothing. Nothing good about.
- [120:39]
Dan Cleary
Is this a name that we would know?
- [120:41]
Andy
No, I can't remember the guy's name. That's why I'm not saying it, isn't it?
- [120:44]
Pavel
Isn't it? Jonathan. Jonathan Bertie. Is that not it?
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Andy
No, no, no, no, no. He's not like, he's not part of Saul. He was at the soul symposium. He was a guy who was from, like, a major company that deals in AI and I was sat beside him. Really interesting dude. But he was like. He had nothing, nothing even speculatively positive to say that it could Go, well, if this happened, he was like, no, no, no, this is, this is going to kill us all.
- [121:12]
Dan Cleary
So, so he, he thinks an extinction level, we should be worried about going extinct.
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Matt Ford
Yeah,
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Pavel
that's not scary at all. No, it's not Friday, is it?
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Dan Cleary
Does he, when he said that to you, was he still working in, in artificial intelligence? Was he still doing that for a living?
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Andy
Yeah, from what I remember. Again, I don't drink, so I wasn't like drunk or anything,
- [121:41]
Dan Cleary
but yeah.
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Pavel
Here's another question, guys, before we go on.
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Dan Cleary
If, if you, if you guys in, in your job, let's say you were that guy and you had, you really believe that, would you go public with that?
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Andy
He had a family and kids and stuff. So like once he stopped crying and looking pictures of his kids, he. No, he didn't cry. But I get like he's got a job and it's still regardless speculative. So, you know, even if he did truly believe that was going to happen and that all the calculations look like this is the outcome, there's still the whole Doctor Strange to Iron Man. You know, it's the 1 in 135 million chance that it does come out a different way. You don't know until, you know, you think of all the things that have come along that we've not destroyed ourselves yet. Atomic energy, nuclear weapons, ammunitions, the Internet. You know, we've tried our best, but we seem to be, you know, Larry David, falling upwards and just, just managing to get by to the next thing.
- [122:57]
Dan Cleary
That's very true. Despite our best efforts, we're still here somehow. Yep, that is true.
- [123:06]
Pavel
Or because of something else.
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Dan Cleary
Now it makes me. I mean, we hear about NHI shutting down nuclear sites and whatever. I've always wondered like really the last time anyone tried was in the 40s. No one's tried to launch a nuke since then. No one's really tried since then. I find that hard to believe. So I do feel like something has stopped it since then.
- [123:28]
Andy
There's been plenty of nuclear tests, so there's been thousands of nuclear tests and this happened killed lots of marine life. And then when you look at even Fukushima and no, I didn't swear or sneeze. If you look at Chernobyl, yeah, they could have shut down that nuclear. That could have been handy. They could have shut down that nuclear plant for us. That would have been good. And people go, oh, there were sightings of yet. Maybe there was something over the plants. Maybe it was birds, maybe it was, I don't know. But they didn't stop that. And it looks like they could have. That would have been useful.
- [124:01]
Dan Cleary
Maybe they can't stop accidents, but they can stop intended attacks.
- [124:07]
Andy
That would imply what I'm trying to think of the word. What would that imply? That if. So you're saying they can, they won't or don't.
- [124:19]
Dan Cleary
Would say what?
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Andy
So like if, if Russia was about to launch a muscle right now you're saying the NHI could go and stop that?
- [124:29]
Dan Cleary
I think so. I mean they've shown that they can. Yeah, yeah.
- [124:33]
Andy
But Chernobyl didn't happen like that. Chernobyl was like over, I think several minutes. Things went to. Because I remember it was about testing. I just listened to, I listened to Finn versus the Internet and Finn versus History. If anyone wants to read on what my actual humor level is that I could not say because it would get a shutdown, go and check that out. But I listened to their Chernobyl series and it was literally around how they were testing something that the guy didn't have to test or wasn't meant to test, but something broke and essentially. Yeah, but if he just left it, it wouldn't have happened. It was a kind of. But it happened over time. It wasn't an instant issue. So they could have came and stopped it and didn't. So then you're saying they would come and stop a missile launch, but they won't stop something like that, which actually affected people, probably a larger number of people over a longer period of time. Because for many years after that event, the, the podcast I listened to, they were talking about how in Wales in the UK there was radioactive soil because of like how, how high the land was. Across Europe, certain levels of rain and radiation would fall depending on kind of mountainous terrain. So even in Wales in the uk, people and animal life and farm life and vegetation was affected from Chernobyl. So yeah, you can, you can hit someone with a weapon and kill tens of thousands or a hundred thousand people and you, you, you damage one area really badly. But that's damaged a huge continental sized area.
- [126:09]
Matt Ford
True.
- [126:09]
Andy
For a long, long, long time.
- [126:11]
Matt Ford
Yep.
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Dan Cleary
No, you're right.
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Andy
Maybe that's why the cattle mutilations happen because they check things like how, how messed up at the livestock here. You know, what's the radiation levels? What are these animals eating? How badly have they polluted the area? You know, we're feeding these cattle grass, but it's actually quite polluted. Let's see what the. Because I think it was Gary Nolan I spoke to who once suggested that that cattle mutilations would make sense in a way that we're checking the food chain of this species. Right. And the pollutants, what's in it? The makeup of the food. That would make sense,
- [126:45]
Pavel
bro. We have 4, 375 people watching right now.
- [126:52]
Dan Cleary
Give them all a shout out one by one each name and and on.
- [126:55]
Pavel
On Twitter we got the most. They're 2,000 for me, 1.1 thousand for Andy on Twitter. So thank you.
- [127:03]
Dan Cleary
All right.
- [127:04]
Matt Ford
Okay.
- [127:04]
Andy
You've got a couple Pavel, that's fine.
- [127:08]
Pavel
I'm just like surprised I didn't. I've never gotten this before on. On X. So thank you to everyone who's watching. That's. That's really nice.
- [127:17]
Andy
Largely because of me. Pavel, that's fine.
- [127:19]
Dan Cleary
Always.
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Andy
I know people joined yours out of sympathy.
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Dan Cleary
That's what I was. Had Mexico won we'd probably have more people viewing but that's okay.
- [127:26]
Andy
Yeah.
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Matt Ford
Okay.
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Andy
Hey, too soon fans out there. You know there's always next week big
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Pavel
I am rooting for. For Norway on that next one so
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Andy
hopefully I've got some questions but I think. Shall we keep them for the next one, Pavel?
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Pavel
Yeah, yeah.
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Andy
Because we've been going over two hours now at this point.
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Pavel
Yeah, I agree. It's been really nice today guys. Thank you for being here and anything else you want to say to the people. Are you guys expect expecting something for Roswell anniversary or.
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Andy
No, I think Trump is going to make a speech confirming the existence of NHI and if he doesn't it's because something changed. Maybe he was down talking about United States football teams, Red cards, the scots King of UFOs.
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Pavel
You are now.
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Andy
Oh yeah, my crown for that one. Do you know what? Do you know what? Maybe and I'm not just saying that. And again can I just ask everyone who's listened and watched. Thank you. On all three streams. I know Dan's not streaming this I don't think but can you go and make sure you like and comment on people's stuff because it really makes a difference. Leave reviews. It helps out idiots like us and keep this kind of stuff going as well as it does. But yeah, I, I wouldn't be shocked if what Luna hinted at with the that you know, these things are energy and you know grushes 60 to 90 days and Luna also mentioned that there's something coming down the line that proves this is real. I don't think we're getting evidence of aliens but I just wonder are we going to get some kind of statement of some point I'll be a little bit annoyed if on the 8th of July we do get some kind of Trump statement, because again, just for me, it sounds like that dude's just taking the piss, to use a Scottish phrase, so.
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Dan Cleary
Yeah, but he is the entertainment president, and he. He is the kind of guy that if he were to make an announcement, it would be on some kind of, like, goofy, traditional holiday, you know, a. A date. That would make sense. It's almost too easy to think he would do it on Roswell, which is probably why he probably would. I'm not saying he will, but. Yeah, this is the entertainment presidency.
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Pavel
Yeah. And I'll see you guys on the next Doomer Wednesday. It's gonna be.
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Dan Cleary
Yeah.
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Pavel
Which is also Sander Jones's birthday, so it's gonna be.
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Dan Cleary
And the Roswell anniversary.
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Pavel
And the Roswell anniversary. Yeah.
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Dan Cleary
Yeah.
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Pavel
Thank you to everybody in the chat. Thank you for the super chats. Thank you, Andy, for being here. Thank you, Dan for joining us. And remember, stay curious and inquisitive. Like these two right here, Andy and Dan. See you later, guys. Bye.
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Andy
Bye.
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Matt Ford
Activity.