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1KHO 421: Eating Dirt and Embracing Nature’s Immunizations | Dr. Josh Axe, Eat Dirt
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Jenny Urich
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Jimmy Urich
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Jenny Urich
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Jimmy Urich
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Jenny Urich
And speaking of encouragement and inspiration, I'm so excited to share this conversation with Dr. Josh Axe. This episode is packed with insights about embracing nature, strengthening your health, and leaning into the connections that make life more meaningful. It is one of my favorite episodes ever and I cannot wait for you to hear it, so let's jump in. Here is Eating dirt and Embracing Nature's Immunizations with Dr. Josh Axe.
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Jimmy Urich
Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Jimmy Urich. I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside. And you're never going to believe who's here because I can hardly believe it. Dr. Josh Axe. Welcome.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Hey Jenny, thanks for having me. Well, you know, it was so nice to meet in person in Michigan when we were at Kellogg's there a few a couple months ago now. And so, yeah, it's an honor to be on.
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Jimmy Urich
I am a long time fan. I've read two of your books. I know you have a lot of books. You have a virtual practice where you see actually a lot of women, a lot of women listen in. So if they're having struggles with their hormones, pcos, you're talking about autoimmune things that people can come to you and they can just get help for what they're going through. They can read your books and get a whole lot of information. The two that I've read are Eat Dirt, which is a perfect title for this podcast, 1000 hours outside, why leaky gut may be the root cause of your health problems and five surprising steps to cure it. And I also read Think this, Not that, which just came out this year. 12 mindsets to break through limiting beliefs and become who you were born to be. These are actually very different books from each other. Josh, which was interesting to me. What was the thought about doing a mindset book?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Well, you know, not everyone, some people know this, but. But many don't. You know, I had a spinal infection about two and a half years ago and didn't walk for an entire year. And I was already thinking about writing a book on mindset. I was kind of preparing to do it because I had noticed in practice that one of the greatest reasons why people had trouble healing was due to their mindset about their health. And also I'm a big believer that what's even more important than nutrition for our health are our spiritual beliefs and our mental health and those things, the mind, body, connection. And I used to sit down with patients and very early on I would be Able to tell. And by the way, this is with 100% accuracy. Accuracy. But it was probably 90 plus percent where I could tell if somebody was going to see good results or not. Because people that like, I would sit down with patients, I would say, hey, on the first visit, I wanted them to at least start doing something. And so I would say, hey, let's change your breakfast. Your next appointment will actually go through. Let's change, you know, breakfast, lunch and dinner and get you on supplements and, you know, make all these big changes. But let's just go ahead and change breakfast. And I used to get one of two responses. One was great, okay, hey, this sounds pretty good. I can still do, you know, a smoothie. I can still eat chicken parmesan because you gave me a recipe for that. So there were people like that and then there was a group of people and they were, they had this mindset of deprivation. Oh, you're telling me I can't do my special case cereal with skim milk in the morning anymore? Or you're like, you're taking all these things that I love away from me. And those people always had a very difficult time healing because they were so focused on all the things they couldn't have. And in my mindset was very much, well, like I'm telling you, you can do like a berry smoothie for breakfast or grass fed beef sausage with sweet potato hash or, you know, gave them a lot of different, you know, what I thought were very healthy options there. So that sort of kicked it off for me in realizing that, you know what, it is very important that people have a optimized mindset when it comes to healing. And it's not just about healing. It's about doing well financially, it's about having great relationships, it's about raising great kids, it's about just being successful at different things in life. The most important part of my life isn't my physical health. It's my spiritual relationship with God. And so for me, I wanted to lay down a book that sort of laid foundations for how do you truly live a meaningful and significant life? How do we do the most with our life here? How do you find your purpose? How do you build a strong identity? How do you live, again, a meaningful life? And so it was sort of a number of those things that were kind of brought in together. And what was crazy, Jenny is right. When I started writing the book, I had this spinal infection. And what happened was I got a call from, well, I injured my back a few years ago doing weight training And I went and got stem cell therapy done and it really helped. And I thought, well, I'm going to go and get it done again. And I bet I'll get back to 100% because I felt like I was back to about 95, 90%, but I'd still get this little aching and issue in my back. Well, something went wrong this time. When I got my injection, I had more pain and more pain and more pain over the couple months. Finally, I had to put on a back brace. One morning I woke up, I just couldn't walk. And my wife and I were living in between Nashville and Puerto Rico at the time. And we were in Puerto Rico and I couldn't walk. We had to call an ambulance. They drove me into the hospital, they took an mri and the results came back that I had an infection in my disc. It had spread into my bone, something called osteomyelitis. And then there was an abscess as well in my spinal canal. And so I had to take a medical flight from Puerto Rico to the United States to Florida. Met with an infectious disease doctor and he said, Josh, listen, here's the reality. This infection is serious. It could kill you. He said, in all likelihood, you could be permanently disabled from this. He said, at the very least, best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain the rest of your life. And Jenny, I went from this just a few years ago. I went from squatting, deadlifting, throwing my two year old daughter up in the air, in the pool, having great health to that. And I had about 48 hours where I felt like my life was over. I mean, I was just, you know, just, just really struggling. And then I really tapped into my faith. I said, you know what? And I was in prayer. And I just, you know, felt like God just really spoke to me that he's, he's bigger than this, he's bigger than this condition. And so I, I just became very prayerful, very hopeful, knowing that God was going to heal me. And I started doing all the right things. You know, I did. They were recommending three months of antibiotics. I was able to do just one month. I got in a hyperbaric chamber for about two hours a day. I started doing red light therapy. I did IVs with nutrients, all kinds of things. And I kept getting a little better, a little better, a little better again. It took almost a year, well, 10 months specifically before I got on a walker. Then I was on a walker for a few months. But now I'd say I'm about back to 90%, and I'm still improving. And I think I'll get back to 100% here soon. And so, all that being said, that's part of why I wrote that book, is the combination of working with patients in the past, it being a very important part of my life. And then what. What happened when I was about to start writing the book was allowed me to write what I think is even a better book, because I never put that much. I mean, I'm talking about for a year, it was almost the only thing I did because it was the only thing I could do. And so. Yeah, but the books are very different. They're very different. One is about healing, autoimmune disease, leaky gut, digestive. It really getting to the root of your health via healing your gut. And the other one is about mindset medicine.
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Jimmy Urich
And you really have gone through a lot of ups and downs. You read your story and your stories in both books, and we met at the Kellogg's march, which was fantastic. Vonnie led there, and there are some phenomenal things going on there with our food system.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
And you're such an integral part. It's so important. But you had a lot of setbacks. You're talking about you really had a hard time in school. You talked about that at Kellog. You're like, I had a really hard time in school growing up, like K12 education. One of the teachers laughed at me when I said, I want to go on and do something in the medical field. Your mom got diagnosed with cancer when you're in middle school and then had a relapse. When you were older, you had a failed business. I didn't know any of this. You know, you said you have an entire year where you couldn't walk. You got hit by a truck. So, I mean, this is an extensive amount of things that have happened. And I think it's an important thing for people to know that the big thing that got you through was your faith. And I think often we steer clear from those conversations because people feel uncomfortable about them or maybe they've had a bad experience themselves. But to say, like, you've had all of these things happen, and now here you are in this spot with, you know, you're at 90%, and these things that could have gone really south did not derail you, and you are influencing so many people. So what a story. I mean, if there was anyone to write a book about mindset, you're a good candidate because you've been through quite a lot. Can you Tell us about when you were in the eighth grade. Your mom was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. And you said, obviously she did get better, but her health continued to spiral downward. And I think that that's sort of an important piece, too. My midwife talks about that sometimes, that even if the cancer's gone, sometimes your quality of life or your health can still be kind of rough. So talk to us about the change that happened there where you decided that you wanted to help people in their health problems.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, you know, what really led me into the medical field and the natural health field was my mom being sick growing up. So, yeah, when I was about to go into eighth grade, my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. And it was such a surprise, Jenny, because she looked very healthy. If you would have looked at my mom, you know, she was a swim instructor, she taught. She was my gym teacher in elementary school. And so we were surprised when she was diagnosed, and we were just. I mean, it was incredibly hard. And, you know, I remember her losing all of her hair. I remember her taking a pic through her hair and all of her hair coming out and her just weeping. And then I remember going in my bedroom as a kid after seeing her do that, and I remember just praying and saying to God, why? And I remember also thinking to myself, I want to help people like my mom. And also I thought, there has to be a better way. That was the thing that really struck me, and that's what really caused me to start pursuing natural health. In fact, when I was 14 years old, about, you know, the next year, a year later, I decided to stop drinking soda. So in high school, I was a kid, like, I didn't drink soda. I rarely. I mean, I tried to consciously eat healthy and, you know, from. From everything that a, you know, a high schooler could know. And. But my mom going through this, she almost died. I mean, she was very, very close. We thought she was going to die, actually, with her last chemo treatment. My grandmother even came in and said, hey, say goodbye to your mom. And, yeah, that was. That was very hard. But thank God she made it through all those chemo treatments. She was diagnosed as being cancer free and healthy. But one of the things for us at the time is when the doctors said, you're healthy, you're cancer free, we thought, okay, we got our own mom back. She's healthy. But my mom had chronic fatigue after that. I mean, she was so tired all the time. I remember my mom, who worked part time and full time at points would go home and just have to take a nap every day. She was just so exhausted. And then she got diagnosed with hypothyroidism. And then she struggled with major constipation and digestive issues, and she was just. And then she would always be coming down with a cold or flu. So she was sick all the time. And this went on for years. And then finally, I was actually working on my medical degree. I was actually in chiropractic college, and I was working on my nutrition certification degree. And I was about to open a functional medicine practice. I was like, six months out, I think. And then she calls me, just weeping on the phone. I said, mom, what's wrong? She said, I've been diagnosed with cancer again. And I said, okay. She said, it's on my lung. There's a large tumor there. And they want to go in and do radiation and do surgery in three days. And I said, I'll be home. I was in school in Florida. Flew back to Ohio. We sat down, we prayed together, we talked about it. We felt really led to take care of her all naturally. So we told the oncologist. They said, we don't suggest that, but we need to see you in at least three to four months again to redo another CT scan. And so we started juicing vegetables. She started eating wild caught salmon, berries. I mean, her diet was very much. Again, it was, yeah, mostly vegetables, some wild caught fish, a little bone broth and some berries, and then healthy fats like avocado, coconut, and olives and that sort of thing. And then we also put her on a lot of supplements. She did a very high dose of medicinal mushrooms. She did a lot of turmeric. And also we really worked on her mindset. My mom had a lot of fear and worry and anxiety in her life, A lot of fear. She worried what other people thought about her. She was a people pleaser. And so we really worked on her letting go of those things in her life and spiritual healing. She also had a list of Bible verses like, by his stripes, I am healed, and heal me, oh Lord, and I will be healed. Save me and. And I will be saved, for you are the one that I praise. And so she would just read these Bible verses daily. We had her do visualization of. Of her body killing the cancer and her in her 80s with her grandkids, all those things. And after four months, we went back and redid a CT scan, and the tumors had shrunk in half. In fact, the oncologist called and said, what have you been doing? And we told her she said, well, this is highly unusual. We don't typically see this, but she said, we'll keep doing what you're doing and I want to see you again in nine months. And then it was complete remission. And so. And now my mom's in her 70s and I actually just got off the phone with her. She's trying to take my. Which is going to be, which we're going to do this next week. We're going to go to Florida to see them. That's where they move down there. And we're going to. She's going to bring my 4 year old to Peppa Pig World and Legoland. My mom's so excited. So, yeah, so she's doing wonderful. She's doing very well. You know what's crazy, Jenny, looking back, like my mom, I was talking to her about this and she said this a couple of years ago. She said, I'm glad I had cancer. And looking back, you know, we never would have said that at the time, but my mom just said, I mean, it really shifted her relationship with my father. She became much more grateful. They started saying, hey, our days are limited. You know, we're going to do more of our vacations, we're going to experience more things. We're going to, you know, I believe God works all things together for our good. We can turn lemons into lemonade. And so we want to be able to foster that sort of mindset. And that's another thing I, you know, hit on a little bit in the book is how to do that.
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Jimmy Urich
And one of the things that you wrote about this was in Eat Dirt was that by the time she was in, when she was in her 60s, and you said now she's in her 70s, but she said she felt better in her 60s than she did in her 30s. And so those changes that she made added to the longevity and the feeling good for a long time so that now that she can go to Peppa Pig land with a grandchild. You wrote in the mindset book, think this, not that. A crisis can either paralyze and destroy you or unlock an opportunity within you. And she is the perfect example of that. And so are you. So are you both in those situations where things could have gone the other way very easily. And so these books are really impactful in a lot of ways. All right, let's talk about this. Nature's immunizations. I love that phrase, nature's immunizations. And actually it's interesting all the things that you're talking about, these are the Things that God made. The red light therapy, oxygen from the hyperbaric chamber.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
You know, these different nutritional things that we're doing. Berries and mushrooms and all of that. You have a sentence. We need to eat dirt. So we've got kids that are outside and actually one of the hardest stages, Josh, to take kids outside, I remember this is when they're like, man, 10 months to 18 months.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
And they're putting everything in their mouth.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
And you're like nervous that they're going to choke. And it ends as soon as it starts. I mean, at some point it's going to stop and it's not going to be a problem anymore. But actually that's a really good thing for babies. I know this is a huge topic, but we're talking about the microbiome and that soil and being outside and dirt and all of those things actually are really good for kids, even though everyone's obsessed with being clean.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah. You know what's interesting? I remember when writing the book, I mean, you go and look at past civilizations and how they would eat dirt when they had certain health issues. There is a PhD that talked about, he, he said, he said, let your kids rubber, you know, roll around in the New York subway, you know, and, and he's in, in the idea there is. Listen, if you live in New York, you want your kids to be exposed to the things they're going to deal with in a micro dose in these very small doses. And, and I'll tell you, this book that I. The Eat dirt book, I think I wrote that back in, I don't know, might have been 10 years ago, is quite a while ago. Maybe it was eight years ago, but it was.
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Jimmy Urich
Yeah. 2016. So you would have written it in 2015. It's been a decade.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, yeah. So quite a while. And it's more relevant today than it was then. I mean, coming out of COVID so many people over sanitized everything and now we have, I mean, even greater levels of antibiotics in our food supply. There's chlorine in our drinking water. There are all these things that kill off the good bacteria we're supposed to be exposed to. And the reality is, is that we need to probably eat a little dirt. You know, one thing I talk about in the book is how if you pull beets or carrots out of the ground, even if you wash them off, there's these little brown specks on there. Those are known as SBOs that are called soil based organisms. They're a type of probiotic that help you break down and digest food. They clear out candida, they really optimize the health of our gut microbiomes. And people have a very severe deficiency today of both food based probiotics like Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium and these soil based organisms like Bacillus subtilis. We're missing them. And so it's really important that we get more probiotics in our diet. It's important that we spend more time outside. In fact, you know, one of the things that I love, Ginny, about your mission and about what you do on your show is you promote spending time outside. Now, it seems like such a simple thing, but I would put it up there in the top three things people could do for their health overall. In my study of everything from biblical medicine to Chinese medicine. One of the things you start to realize is that we are meant to live in tune with nature. We're meant to be spending a lot of time outdoors and where the sun's at, where the moon's at, weather, all these things affect our circadian rhythms. And that's going to affect your hormonal cycle. That's going to affect a number of things. And so we want to do everything we can to live in tune with nature. For instance, when the sun goes down, go to bed, when it starts to rise, wake up. I mean, so, so we are created to live in tune with these things. And if we live out of tune, we're going to get sick. And one of those things that we need to be doing again is, you know, one of the greatest ways to increase your microbial diversity so have more good types of good bacteria in your gut is gardening. It's getting your hands in the dirt or kids going out, playing on the grass, playing in the dirt. Even if somebody just has an herb garden, like a few herbs out in their yard or on a raised bed with some soil, it's so good for our health. And I actually just recorded a podcast. It's over an hour long. Getting into how to naturally immunize yourself.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Today what most people are talking about is when we hear the word immunization, most people think of a shot that's that's not what I'm talking about. That is sort of taking our eye off of the way that we have been immunizing ourselves since the beginning of time. And it's God's way and it's micro exposures to certain things over time. So for instance, when a baby is in the mother's womb at that time, they're getting certain types of immunizations via the placenta. And then when the baby's born, there's the vernix that the baby's covered in if there's a vaginal birth. And that's a type of bacteria that is good for the skin, good for the respiratory system, good for the gut microbiome. And even if a child borne C section, you can still go and take some of that bacteria and then go and wipe it on the child, which is what I recommend all my patients do in order to help them develop. And then there's breast milk. I mean, it's the ultimate immune formula. What's so amazing about breast milk is, is that it actually changes based off the needs of the child. I mean, it is absolutely incredible, that connection. That's the most powerful natural immunization I know of. And then after that it's eating dirt and eating food. These, you know, kids start eating these things, exposing themselves to things that helps with development, that helps with strengthening their immune system. And then from there, when they're eating local foods, when they're outside, when they're doing things like raw local honey that has over 200 types of pollen and microbes in it, that's actually acting as a natural immunization. And so I could keep going, but all that to say, these are the things we need to do to naturally strengthen our immune systems, naturally immunize ourselves. But today what happens instead is people say, well, I'm just going to do this, you know, injection instead, and then we're going to give our kids loads and loads of antibiotics. And then that's doing the exact opposite where you're destroying a lot of the things that really support your immune system and help create that, you know, immune strength that a child needs and an adult needs later on anyway. So all that being said, I think all those things are important for people to recognize and focus on. Hey, how do you naturally strengthen and bolster your immune system via natural immunization?
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Jimmy Urich
You have so many great things in here. Getting back to seasonal eating, spending more time outdoors, hugging our dogs after they roll around in the leaves, letting kids make mud pies.
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Dr. Josh Axe
But, but by the way, that was one of the things, Jenny, that was so fascinating. Again, why I love what you do is, is that, you know, one of the greatest factors for people having, because they've done studies on this, on the immune system health of kids and then adults too. But even more so, like if somebody had a pet, a dog or cat, dogs were even stronger in this, but their allergies are like 50% less. That's amazing. Same thing if somebody's. The more time a child spends outside, the stronger their immune system is in 90% of cases, according to the medical studies.
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Jimmy Urich
Wow. I was even really fascinated, Josh, by the dishwasher. Parents who washed their dishes mostly by hand rather than the dishwasher raise kids who are significantly less likely to develop eczema and somewhat less likely to develop asthma and hay fever and allergies.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
Wow. Yeah, because it's that micro exposure. And even the baby carrots are like, okay, like, those seem so convenient, but those are bathed in chlorine. Get the ones that have the tops on them, and they're organic, and that's going to be a better thing for you. And you talked about it with your mom, too, that one of the things that she did was she incorporated this is the mindset thing and this sort of holistic healing. She added back in things that she loved to do, different hobbies, and a lot of them had to do with being outside. So it was like horseback riding, gardening, and then she's going to the farmer's markets and things like that. And so all of this matters. How does Kellogg's fit in? Because, you know, we're talking about the microbiome. You come and you talked about your ADHD as a kid, you know, your 2.3 GPA. You go on to college, and you're able to really turn things around. Like, one of your professors says, you're such a great writer, but then you'd have this other teacher in that had laughed at you, you know, and you're like, I want to go in this direction of my life. The processed food is a big piece here. What is that doing to our children and to their microbiome and to their health?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Well, yeah, you know, I think it's a big problem when you look at all the food dyes and the BHT and all the other chemicals that are added to our foods. And, you know, one of the things, according to the research, when you're looking at Yellow five in particular, is it increases your likelihood of ADHD and asthma and allergies and gut issues. And so, you know, what. What. What happens is when you. When you take some of these things that are foreign to the body, the body has to react to it like it's an invader. So your body is kicking off an immune response to protect itself and to break down these chemicals and start to eliminate them from the body. When your body has to take time and energy to do that. Well, now, essentially imagine. Imagine this. Your body has a battery, just like on your iPhone, just like if you have a golf cart or have ever driven one, that sort of thing. That battery can get depleted. Well, if you're pretty darn healthy and you have no other stressors in your life and you have a few, few dies, your body might be able to break down and deal with it fairly well. But if you add in, well, antibiotics from food supply, added sugar, different pathogens you're exposing your body to, all of these things have a cumulative effect. What starts to happen is that battery sort of gets depleted and it can't handle as much. And then also some of the other things sneak past. It's like if you're, if you're like a goalkeeper in any sport, let's say it's soccer and somebody's kicking one ball at you from far away, you're probably going to get it. But what if somebody was very close and they were kicking 30 balls at you? Can you stop all 30 at the same time? No. And so that's part of the problem. But generally speaking, when you look at the research, there is a significant increase in ADHD and allergies. When you look at a lot of these food additives and with bht, that's another additive. It's not a food diet, but it's an additive for shelf life to extend shelf life of these cereals. It is a carcinogen. And what's happening in the United States today is we've become very lax due to wanting to. Every nation has a God that they worship. The early parts of the United States, it was the Judeo Christian God that was the biggest focus on the Quakers, a lot of the people that were over here founding our country. However, at some point in time, it really turned to monetary gain. Everything became about how many dollars we can make. That would, that became the primary thing. And, and that's in a lot of other countries. But I would say that is the single biggest thing for the United States. Everything else pales in comparison. I'll give you an example of this. Like when we lived in Puerto Rico for a time, that actually is not their biggest folk. Now. They have, they have other gods and idols that I think are just as bad as monetary gain. But I will say one of the things that I thought was wonderful over there is every Sunday the entire family and all the extended family, everybody got together. I mean, it was like just the natural thing everyone did. Now because you're all on an island and you're. It never takes longer than three hours to drive somewhere that was more conducive to it. Here it's like you got people in one family in California, another one in New York. And so it's a little bit, maybe harder, based on the way that the United States is set up. And my point with all that is, is that, you know, when you look at sort of what our primary objective is in the United States, it's monetary wealth, it's monetary game, it's materialism. What's happened is, is our rules and regulations as a government reflect that people vote certain people in based on their wants and needs. So it's all about making more money. That's. That's the number one thing. So when that happens and health is lower on the list, we have a governance and laws that are more lax towards allowing companies to have more freedom, even if it's at the expense of health and even the expense of children's health. So when you look at these other countries, I mean, it's all of Europe and specifically France, Italy, Germany, it's Israel, it's Australia, it's Canada, all of these countries have banned these food dyes that are still legal in the United States. And I think we're pretty close to having those banned, though. I think we're pretty close. And part of it is due to people like you, Jenny, and people like Vani Hari and Jason Karp and Kelly and Casey Means, who are. And some of Alex Clark, so many amazing people who have decided to stand up, speak out. Good friend of mine, Dr. Will Cole. So many people have decided to take a stance and speak out against these food dyes. But yeah, yeah, the studies show. And like, when I looked at the research on the meta analysis, it was something like 16 out of the 25 studies had significant evidence that food dyes are very bad for kids and they cause medical conditions. What the limit is on a few of the studies is they found if you had 10 milligrams, I believe it was of food dyes. That's what kicks off. I mean, that, that is, that is determinant in terms of it causing ADHD. Well, Froot Loops has 33, so as triple the amount. And there are other cereals that are just as bad. Trix, Captain Crunch Berries and others. These are all in the 30s. They do disrupt the gut microbiome, which is part of the reason why you're getting allergies in the first place. That's what most of it stems from.
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Jimmy Urich
I liked the soccer goal example because that's what really makes it make sense. Because you're talking about the rise of environmental toxins, the overwhelming stress of modern life, unrelenting germ warfare, overuse of medication. I Actually didn't realize that prescription. I didn't know this at all. This is in Eat Dirt. Prescription meds deplete nutrients and damage the gut lining. More than half of them do. I didn't know that. I had no idea. I mean, I guess I knew that antibiotics wiped out your gut microbiome, but I didn't know other prescription meds do.
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Dr. Josh Axe
After antibiotics, the next most damaging drug to the gut microbiome is birth control pills. And that shocks a lot of women, but it's probably the next most damaging. And really, there's not a single drug without a side effect that's going to pull or leach a nutrient from the body. One of the things that really irritates me, Jenny, is that they're most doctors, if they give their patient a conventional medication, they should definitely be prescribing a supplement that is going to deal with the deficiency it's going to cause, at the very least.
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Jimmy Urich
Yeah.
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Dr. Josh Axe
And none of them do that. And they're breaking the Hippocratic oath. Anytime they. They prescribe to, you know, first do no harm, they're harming. They're harming their patients in some way when they're. When they're elite, at the very least. Not doing that.
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Jimmy Urich
Yeah. This is all the balls getting kicked at the goal. I didn't know about birth control either. GMO is 4/5 of the food that most Americans eat are likely from GMO crops which have been sprayed with glyphosate and also fast food. Tom lost 1400 species of microorganisms, nearly 40% of his total, in just 10 days of eating fast food. His gut didn't recover right away either. So just a lot of information in there about. This is a fantastic book. I really liked in Eat Dirt, which I love that it's a decade old. Isn't it cool when your books have been around for a decade and someone picks it up for the first time and they're like, you know, I mean, this is still so applicable.
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Dr. Josh Axe
That's great.
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Jimmy Urich
If you're interested, you go through these different gut issues that you could be having or your kids could be having. The five common types, Candida gut, stressed gut, immune gut, gastric gut, and toxic gut. And you go through, like, how to heal those specifically and what symptoms you might be having and like, very specific, like, what are things that you could do? And I just thought it was wonderful. And they're all a little bit different. You're even talking about things like forgiveness, you know, different brass that you could make. So fantastic. The bacteria in your body can tell when you're stressed out. I mean, this is just so much information in this one. I loved it. Even down to this. I'm going to tell you something. I've changed since reading Eat Dirt. You should chew 30 times per bite of food. This is like super random, but I want to talk about it because I can't even hardly get to 30. But also you say that you're more satiated because it makes the food taste better. I had no idea.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, well, you know, I have a one year old right now and she watch a one year old eat or watch a baby. I mean, they chew a lot. They chew a lot. A lot of them do. And so yeah, and kids, kids will chew way more than adults. And so we tend to be in a hurry. And here's the other thing you'll find I challenge people to do this. If you're on your phone or on a computer doing something like that while you're eating, watch how much faster you eat versus if you are have nothing going on and you're just sitting there and you're taking deep breaths and you're really taking your time to eat. It'll take you at least twice the time, if not longer. You know, when you chew, your body starts creating enzymes like amylase and also your pancreas is going to start releasing more over time as well to help you break down and digest your food. So the reality is you're going to absorb a lot more nutrients when your body is creating more of these enzymes when you're chewing more. And so, yeah, so we absolutely should be chewing quite a bit more. And of course it's very important for conditions like acid reflux and GERD and sibo. Very important for small intestinal bacterial overgrowth and all digestive issues. But really it's just important for everybody. You will absorb more of your nutrients and more of the good stuff in your food if you chew it more. And that's especially true for starches. That's the most important. Protein and fat. It's not necessarily as true. It's somewhat true, but not as. But for any form of a carbohydrate, it is very true. I mean, if you're eating carbs, you want to chew those a lot.
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Jimmy Urich
I love it. We've never talked about this on the show. Chewing habits. Most of us don't take much time to chew, but chewing your food thoroughly is actually a great way to help prevent leaky gut. When you chew well, food tastes better because a dry tongue can't Tell how good food tastes. Like this is important information. I need to know this now. You also talked about people who really turned their health around fast. And I know it. Every case is different. Yeah, but a book like this does give a lot of hope. You talked about a boy named Blake who's five years old. He had dermatitis all over his body. It was just sort of an awful way of living. And three weeks later it was gone. I can't believe how quickly he got better. His mom said, I'm so relieved. And you said, vigilance is the best defense. So just a fantastic. You're going to learn about the Yanomami tribe. I mean, I learned so much. And you have so many extra resources as well. Home care products, eat dirt, recipes, supplements, resources died. So that's in Eat Dirt. Why leaky gut may be the root cause of your health problems. And five surprising steps to cure it in this newest one. Think this, not that you talk about your grandpa and your grandparents allowed you to run wild at their camp in. It's Lima, right? I want to say Lima, but Ohio. Lima, Ohio. Is the camp still there?
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Dr. Josh Axe
It is. In fact, my, my grandfather died at 96 and so he passed away about six years ago. But my grandmother, who's 96 still runs it, which is great. Well, I should say my grandfather did run it until he died, until he was 96. And then my grandmother, at 96 now, she does a little bit like sits in the office when people are coming in. But really it's my brother who is in his late 30s, he took it over for them. And so. But yes, it's still there. It's called Winona Lake. It's actually in Wapakoneta, Ohio, just the city just south of Lima. But yeah, Lima, it's got a big campground, swim park. You know, we grew up there. It's got like diving boards, big blow ups. It's a place where a lot of people go, camp, retreat, hang out. A lot of people. And especially Ohio in Michigan, people come down pretty often too. But yeah, it was a joy being able to grow up doing that. And you know, part of what, you know, Chelsea and I, right now we're actually building a homestead. And I own a farm in Tennessee. It's about an hour south of here and that's about 150 acres. And then Jordan Rubin and I own about 4,000 acres in Missouri and the Ozarks where we do regenerative agriculture. But I don't live on a farm. And after talking about natural immunizations and writing this book in the past, you know, and knowing how beneficial it is to do that. We actually just bought about 10 acres and we're building a homestead. We're going to have. We're going to do cows, sheep, ducks and chickens. And so anyways, we're really excited and so we're, we're working right now on. It won't be done for a little over a year, but we're, we're excited to be able to kind of do a farm and have a. Do a lot of that stuff ourselves, which is something my grandparents did as well. They did a little bit of farming on their property too. So it was fun, fun growing up like that.
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Jimmy Urich
You had a big tribute to your grandpa Howard, you said. He was the first person who taught me how to think this. Not that, but we've been. I've talked about this on several podcasts now. It's coming up a lot. Just this sort of generational legacy that we can leave. And that's what I got from your grandpa Howard. He made a job, a career change, and this is a big risk. And he probably could have never known that. Well, someday you're going to be writing about it in books and then someday his grandson is going to be part of the business and it's going to be this thing that really impacts people for many generations to come. And you wrote, I had never considered. So I'm thinking this is like actually after he had passed away already because you go to the funeral and people, one person after the next is getting up and saying things. Nonstop tributes about him. You. I never considered my grandfather successful. And maybe that was the problem. I needed to re examine my definition of success, which you kind of kicked off with this. Like, the definition of success is not just career success. What would you say your definition of success is now?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Becoming. Not accomplishing, becoming more like Christ. I mean, that's definitely the definition of success. You know, when you look at the Bible in particular, you know, it doesn't say you have to achieve what he achieved or you need to achieve this great thing in your life. It says you need to become like. So most of us have our to do lists of I need to do this today and this and this. We really alongside of that and even more importantly with that is we should have a to be list today. When I do this, I'm going to be generous, I'm going to be wise, I'm going to be compassionate towards others. And that's more important to God than it is what we accomplish. And I think ultimately for all of us, God gave us all very unique gifts and skills. And I think if we're going to do the most with our life, we need to think, we need to be growing in our character, which is who we're becoming. And along with that, God has given us all talents. And so we need to take our character the highest level possible and take our unique gifts and skills that God gave us to the highest level possible. So for me, you know, my. One of the things that I love to do and I feel called to do is is educate and teach. And so I love it. And so for me, if I'm doing part of what God has called me to do, I'm growing in character. I'm being, being compassionate towards those that are hurting. I'm continuing to grow in wisdom by reading his word and other in learning from other people who have wisdom. And then I'm also growing in my ability to communicate and share and inspire and help people make real changes in their life practically as well. So I think people all should be thinking about that. Am I growing in my character? And am I growing in those unique gifts and skills God has given me?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, and I think that's important. I also think about, you know, life is about relationships, even God. Why do you create us? Because he wanted to have a relationship with us. He wanted to have a family. And so with that, I think family is very, very important as well. It's that next thing after that, connection to God is connection to others and especially our family. And so I talked about this recently on my podcast, is that, you know, moms, for instance, you know, we went through a period of time, I feel like the past, I don't know how long it's been, 50 years, but definitely a lot. The last 10 is where we sort of glorify. Which, listen, I think that, like, I, I grew up with a mom that worked a lot, and I thought that was important. But to me, and when I look at my mom's life and I think about what's the most important thing my mom did? Was it being a gym teacher that was important? She helped a lot of kids get healthy. Was it when she taught in the inner city in Dayton, Ohio, and taught first and second grade? I mean, that was great too. She taught special ed for years with a lot of kids with autism and different disabilities. And that was amazing. My mom did that. I mean, the patience it takes and the heart it takes. But when I look at all those things and I. And if, I think if you would ask, hey, what was the most important thing? One of the most important things my mom did, I think she would say, oh, it's raised great. You know, it was raise kids. You know, it was being a mom. There was a study that came out or a survey or it was a study generally out of. I'm forgetting the exact journal or website, but basically they went and they tallied it, that if you would pay a stay at home mom a salary for all the duties and the things we were doing, how much would it be a year? And it's $200,000. $200,000. I mean, that's. That, you know, that that's amazing. And now that's just putting monetary value on it. It's worth so much more than that. One of the other things I encourage people with is like, hey, you want to live a meaningful life? Like, let me just go ahead and steal this from Mother Teresa. She said, if you want to change the world Go home and love your family. And I think the similar thing is if you want to be successful, you know, love your family, connect with your family, raise great kids, be a great parent. There's a quote by Andy Stanley. He says this. He says, the greatest thing you might do in life is not something you actually do. It might be someone you raise. And so, you know, it's like Hitler had a mom, Mother Teresa had a mom or dad, you know, and dad. So. So I do think that, like, one of the things is I've been writing this book and thinking about my life and doing things. It's sort of reprioritizing what are the things that matter most in life and making sure I'm spending time on those things. Because when I was at my grandfather's funeral, pulling it back into this, nobody said Howard was a billionaire. You know, it was like. Like what happened at his funeral was there was a time where. And this doesn't happen at every funeral, but the pastor said, does anyone have any final words about Howard? And the man next to me, I mean, just literally immediately, a man in his 70s who started crying and he said, howard was my best friend. And what was interesting is I looked over at him and everybody knows, like, my grandfather's best friend was my uncle Alan and Don. They were actually brother in laws. But. But the guy here, I was like, I. I'm a little bit ashamed to say this. I looked over at him, I thought, I don't think you're my grandfather's best friend because it was Alan and Don here. But then I realized something. I realized, you know what, there are probably half the people in the room that think my. That. That where my grandfather actually was their best friend. He's the person that you would call when you were having a bad day, when you were in a crisis, he would show up. Like, I used to go to the hospitals with my grandfather. He volunteered once a week at church to. He would show up to a hospital to somebody that was sick and just go and sit with them for an hour, bring them their favorite meal, hold their hand, pray for them. And so I lived with him one summer for part, and I went with him and did this every week. And it was such an incredible experience to see the impact that one person can have on another. And I. I think it's just important that we don't get caught up in the media and what society says successes. Make sure it really aligns with God and what you'll. When you get to the end of your life, you'll Say, you know what? I ran my best race. Like my life mattered. I did something. I did. I did things that were very meaningful. And, you know, one thing I love about what you do, too, Jenny, is that, you know, right now, a lot of things today like television and social media and just technology is sort of taking away people doing things that are meaningful and that are good for them. And this is why, you know, spending a thousand hours outside and spending time. More time with family members and playing with family and kids and friends, I mean, that's. Those are things that matter. And so I. Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
Wow. So Grandpa Howard was a true definition of success, because people could depend on him. He was encouraging. He had these relationships all the way down to. He was impacting you as a grandson. You wrote. He inspired me to find the courage to make my own life changing shifts in my career, and that has led me to where I am today. I'm continually inspired to think like him, and I see the results. So there's this, like, ripple effect of positive influence from your grandpa. And so. So what a successful man that he had his faith and he had his family in all these friendships. And he was an adventurous guy. You wrote he hitchhiked from Lima all the way to Yellowstone. Oh, my goodness. Lexington.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah. Then to California. And. Yeah. It's crazy.
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Jimmy Urich
Yeah. What a guy, what a life. And I do think that's a great thing to emulate. I recently read this book by Diane Langberg, and it's about, you know, like, sometimes how things can go really wrong in the church. And she was saying the same thing as you, that when you talk about, like, the Bible talks about fruit, you'll know somebody by their fruit. What's the fruit of your life? And we tend to think about that in terms of numbers or, like, the size of a church congregation or giving or maybe in my own personal life, like, how many podcast downloads or followers. And she said, no. Fruit has always been character. It's always been character. And so I love that Josh A To be list. That's really convicting and really, really good. I mean, I love it. So you are the breadth of what's in just these two books. Right. Like, we're talking about, like, Candida Gut and also your spiritual self. You, when you sign my book, because we met in person and it was such an honor to meet in person. You put the verse First Corinthians 10:31, which is the one about whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah.
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Jimmy Urich
Why did you choose that verse?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Well, yeah, it's it's whatever you eat, drink, or whatever you do, do, do it all for the glory of God. And, you know, I think it's a verse that just sort of points us in the right direction. Okay, why am I doing anything I'm doing? Like when I'm eating, what am I doing it unto? When I'm with a friend, when I'm in my work life, when I'm in my relationships? And it's for the glory of God. And so life isn't about us, it's about Him. It's pointing upward, it's pointing in the right direction. I mean, there's a study that came out, and I quote this in the think this, not that book. And it's 25% of people know what their purpose is. And that's very low. That's very low. And studies show that if you don't know your purpose, it actually is. Is good. Is. It's bad for your lifespan, it's bad for your mindset. It's. It leads to boredom and lack of motivation. And, you know, and we all know those people in life that sort of are. They've lost that something, that spark, that energy, that vitality, that passion. And oftentimes that's losing their purpose. And I think that for me, that verse really helps me point to no matter what I do, I do it to the glory of God. And so thinking about and chewing on, what does that mean? What does that look like? Well, you know, one example of this is, is that why did God create us? Well, to have a family and also to. We are his image bearers. We're made in the image of God. And so we are essentially representing him here. We're his representatives. And so it's like, well, I don't want to embarrass Him. Well, how do I need to act and conduct myself in order to represent Him? Well. Well, when you're on the phone with a customer service rep and they've left you on there an hour and you're about to go crazy, you could either berate them or just be greatly patient and compassionate. When you see someone in need, you can give them money, you can give them a kind word, you can let somebody attack you because, you know, to hurt people. Hurt people. And you come around and say, hey, are you having a bad day? Is there something I can do to help you? Or can I pray for you today? So, so. So I think. I think, you know, if we're kind of expanding on what does that mean? It's. We're called to do those things right, be that representative and glorify God. So that's sort of what, what, what it makes me think of.
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Jimmy Urich
What a conversation. What a conversation. You can learn more in these books. I know you have many other books as well, but you talk about all sorts of things. I learned about Nocebo. I didn' was. I learned about how you helped our nation's best swimmers in the lead up to the 2012 Olympic Games in London. What a cool thing that they were drinking Nesquik chocolate milk after their workouts and you help with their nutrition. All sorts of things in here about mindset, self awareness, health principles, career principles, marriage and family principles, visualization, using food as medicine, busyness, social relationships, entrepreneurship. You talk about the Five Daughters Bakery, which is super cool because we've been there and I didn't know that you knew that guy. And so just, I mean, the amount of things that you're going to learn and be encouraged about in these books are phenomenal. Tell people about your podcast.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Yeah, well, well, Jenny, thanks again. I. Yeah, my podcast is the Dr. Josh AX show and I cover topics on healing in body, mind, spirit. So we touch on everything from how to heal female hormones and male hormones to how to live your best life, you know, and how to grow spiritually. So we hit on all of those, that whole range of topics and have a lot of great guests, but you can find it everywhere. And also if sometimes people want to learn about a particular topic and if that's the case, you could go on a place like YouTube and search Dr. Axe Hypothyroidism or Dr. Axe Superfoods or something like that. And I've covered those topics typically pretty in depth and the science sort of ancient history behind it. And then social media is just that Dr. Josh Axe and the books are, you know, best place is probably just Amazon and it's Eat Dirt for the health book and the mindset book is Think this, not that. But Jenny, it was such a joy being on. And by the way, you just have such a great spirit about you. I know when I get to meet you in person, you know, you kind of light up a room and so just know that again, I really appreciate you and who you are and it was a lot of fun being on today.
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Jimmy Urich
Thank you so, so much. It's been my honor, my just privilege. I'm thrilled. I'm like, I can't even believe I got to meet all of those people at the Kellogg's. And then to get a chance to have to talk with you about these wonderful books that you've written. People can also learn more about your virtual practice if they want more specific help. We always end our show with the same question. What's a favorite memory from your childhood that was outside?
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Dr. Josh Axe
Oh, goodness. I have a. A million. A million. So my cousin and I at the same campground that my grandfather had, we had two lakes. We had the big lake up front, which was for, you know, diving boards. Boards and swimming and all that. And then the back, we had a pond, which was for fishing. And my cousin and I one day caught eight. I still remember this. 81 toads and frogs. And we also caught turtles. And we bought a. You know, those. They probably still have those blue kind of swimming pools for kids that are probably like 6ft by 6ft. We went and took, like, sticks and rocks and I mean, we put. Now, the frogs did not stay in there very long. Okay. But because we had big buckets and eventually they all got away, but we had snakes. I mean, we. We created our own sort of like, nature center in this thing. And that was a pretty. That was a pretty. Pretty fun memory.
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Jimmy Urich
All attributed to Howard.
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Dr. Josh Axe
And actually another time, we actually had about 40 toads, and we had a. In my aunt's car and it tipped over, and so that's. I won't get into any more of that, but we had. Had 40 toads jumping around in the back of a station wagon.
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Jimmy Urich
That's a great memory for a kid, maybe not so much for the ant. I love it.
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Dr. Josh Axe
That's right.
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Jimmy Urich
Dr. Josh X. Thank you so much for being here.
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Dr. Josh Axe
Thanks for the thoughtful questions and just for taking time to read the books. That means a lot. So thank you.