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1KHO 434: How to Be Really Good at Being a Family | Korie Robertson, Duck Dynasty
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Check responses for accuracy. Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Jenny Urich. I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside and I'm grinning ear to ear because Corey Robertson is here. Welcome.
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Hey there. I'm so happy to be here. Sadie's been on and Mary Kate, right?
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Yeah, that's right.
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And we all follow you and love your work, love what you're doing. So have been cheering you on from afar. So I'm excited to get to cheer you on in person here today.
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I'm so, so thrilled about this. We have been watching Duck Dynasty for a long time. I was talking to my husband about it. We were thinking back about that time in our life and it was like when we had a bunch of little kids at home and he watched it more than I did because we had a bunch of little kids at home. Knowing that everyone's nursing, everyone's crying, you know, just like hard spot in our marriage. And I just remember thinking that the show gave us so much hope. It gave us so much hope of, like, what could be. What could be if you remain faithful and you're raised in this family and, you know, I mean, most days I'm like, we've got five kids. Like, this is kind of a lot of kids. But then you read your books and you see that there is this family legacy that has been passed down in these large families. And obviously, it's not been perfect or easy, but I think it just gives people so much hope. And so I wanted to tell you that, I mean, this was long before I ever even knew what a podcast was, ever even considered that I would get a chance to talk with you. It was really a bright spot in our early days of parenting. So I just wanted to say thank you for that.
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Thank you for saying that. That's so nice. I think that was kind of like the biggest blessing to us was that I always say, like, we made this little show. It was a comedy. You know, it's like us just being silly and having fun and, you know, all the antics that go on in a family business and all that. But what God did with that show and how he used it to impact people was really powerful, and it was way beyond us, way beyond what, anything we could have ever asked or imagined. So we know it was God 100. So we just tried to be faithful to him and show, you know, our life as authentically as we could. And in a way that's fun and, like you said, hopeful. That was. The point, is that, you know, there's always hope. And at the end of the day, you know, whatever happens, whatever arguments might happen, whatever crazy things you got into, at the end of the day, just sit around a dinner table and thank God for what's before you and be grateful for, you know, the person that's to the right and the left and across from you. And so that's really what it was about. And we're really thankful for the impact that it had on people. So thanks for saying that.
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Yeah, it spread such a message. And then once we watched the Blind, which is so funny, I went back, same thing. I was like, oh, I would never have even considered that we would rub shoulders at all. I took notes in my phone. I've never done that before, like, in the movie theater. And I was like, oh, this is really good. So I went back and look at my phone, and one of the sentences that really stuck out to me because it really then showcased. I think it really showcased God's faithfulness and God's redemption, because I didn't quite realize, like, things had gotten so bad and there had to be this turnaround, and they were bad for a while. Yeah. If Phil didn't get saved until he's in his later 20s and they had kids really early. That meant that for, you know, 12 years of someone's childhood, he wasn't saved. And it shows this redemptive power of God. And there was a sentence, all is not lost. I thought, wow, that would. To me, that was the message of the movie, is that even if you've gone the wrong way or the wrong direction, you're living out in the woods. Like, things are so rough.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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All is not lost.
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Should never be without hope. You know, we definitely serve a God of hope. And so. And we always say there's no one too far gone for his love. And when we did an episode of Duck Dynasty, it was actually happened to. Ended up being the most watched episode of. I think it still holds a record in unscripted television. And it was the episode where Phil and Kay renewed their vows. And it was such an important episode for our family because, like, we knew the costs. Like, we knew what they had gone through and what they had overcome through the grace of God, through forgiveness, through repentance. We knew what they had overcome to get there. And so, I mean, we were all bawling when we filmed that episode. And Phil and Kay were standing before us and still all these years later, renewing their vows in front of their kids and grandkids. And we knew that it was a thing that almost wouldn't have never happened. I mean, they were fully separated. That's what brought them here to Westminster, Louisiana, where we are now. Kay moved because Phil kicked her out of the house. Like they were in a really bad place. She didn't know that if she'd ever see him again, and came to Westmind, Louisiana, a church, the church that we all grew up in, took their family in, a single mom with three little boys, and gave her an apartment, a place to live, gave her a job. And, yeah, they thought it was all over, but God came into Phil's life. He surrendered his life to Jesus and repented and forgave him. And then, you know, we had this moment on Duck Dynasty that everybody got to see where they committed again to one another, renewed their vows, had a little. Had a wedding that they had never really had because they, you know, Kay got pregnant in high school and all of that. And so everyone, you know, it was special for everyone to get to see. But for our family, it was really special to get to have that moment and just understand what God brought our family through to get to where we are today.
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All is not lost. And Willie said, so I'VE got these couple books here of yours that I just love, and they've been around for maybe a decade or so, but just still so applicable. One is called Strong and Kind Raising Kids of Character. And then the Duck Commander Family. I love these books. How Faith Family and Ducks Built a Dynasty in Strong and Kind. Willie says about Ms. K. Her loyalty saved us all. You both just had such wonderful things to say about her. She rarely, rarely gets truly aggravated or mad at Phil and the boys. She knows how to not sweat the small stuff. She laughs every time people are playing jokes on her. You know, you think she'd get annoyed. She laughs every time. She's the most patient person I know. She's cooking for all these people. It really is just like. It's something you strive, like you want. You would want someone to say those things about you. Her loyalty saved us all. And I love that you, with all of your family members, that you commend them in those ways and publicly, it reminds you that the small stuff, eventually, it shows, you know, over decades and decades of time that people really know and notice. And I love that. Okay, so I read these books. I love them. They're funny. They. To hear the backstory. And also it's, you know, Willie grew up just completely outside. So what a cool thing, running amok in the woods. Hunting and fishing, which teach patients all of this stuff. And you have all of these threads that combine your families. It is bananas. And I was wondering. Okay, so, well, first of all, why don't we kick it off by telling us about the third grade moonlight hike?
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Oh, my goodness. Yeah. That was the big moment. That's where we met. So my family, actually, my grandparents, started a Christian camp back in the 60s, and it was called Camp Chioka, or it was called Camp Chioka. And my parents met at this camp in high school. So there's a long history about Camp Chioka and our family. Well, then in. Yeah, the summer after my third grade year, I was at camp and I looked across the way and saw this really cute boy. He had dimples. He did not have a beard yet, so his dimples were on full display play at that point. And so I, yeah, looked across and it was Willie Robertson. He was a camper there for the first time that year. And he actually asked me on the moonlight hike. So the moonlight hike was, like, Thursday night. It was a big deal. Who you walked with on the moonlight hike was a very big deal. So he asked me, and I said yes. And I remember I thought he was so cute. And the crazy part is I actually, I was not a journaler, a diary keeper as a kid, but I have a diary that I still have to this day. The one entry in that diary is I met a cute boy at camp and he asked me on the moonlight hike. And so the one entry in my diary from that year is about that moment. So yeah, it was, it was kind of meant to be, I think. I feel like God definitely was weaving our stories together in ways and that we could have never imagined. We did not get married. Willie likes to say we got married a year later, but we did not. It was a little bit after that, but it wasn't much longer. Honestly. I was 18 and he was 19 when we got married. So we were still pretty, pretty much babies when we got married.
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And you kind of had a fight for that, right? Like your dad was a little bit like, eh, even though your mom had gotten married at the same age.
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Yes, my parents were married at 18 and 20, so we're right the same age. And so I was 17 when I first said, you know, I'm ready to get married. And Willie and I had kind of, you know, liked each other off and on through high school, but we were. This is small town, so small town youth group. So he kind of dated all my friends in the youth group at one point. And so there was a point where, you know, we were just friends, you know, most of high school. Well then we started dating my senior year and it was just like as soon as we started dating, we just knew. I mean, it wasn't long before we started talking marriage that summer. I was 17 and you know, said we were going to get married and my parents were like not having it. They were just like, not only did I say I wasn't, I was going to get married. Also I wasn't going to go to the college that they had gone to that I had a scholarship too. You know, all the things, everything in my life was all of a sudden going to change for this boy, you know. So that summer was, yeah, there were some fireworks with my parents about whether or not that was a good idea. And this will show you the difference between his parents and my parents. So my dad is like very studious. He reads everything he loves. He's the best at like sending you all the data and information on whatever you're going to do. If you're going to go on a trip, he'll send you all the things about that. So anyway, so he's giving us like all the stats, all the papers about, you know, why this is perhaps not a good idea to get married so young. How are we going to live? What's going to be our budget? All those details. So Willie goes to his parents and he tells his dad. He's like, you know, Cory's dad's not so sure about this. And Phil says, well, you can get married in Arkansas at 16. What are you waiting on? Like, just go down the next day. Just do it. You know, that was his advice. So we definitely grew up. I always say, like, could not have been more opposite as far as the way we grew up as our families, except for the faith. Like, that was the one, you know, unifying thing. We both came from families of faith and families that were very hospitable and had a lot of people in their homes and all that. So those really important things that really matter, we were the same, but every other detail was very different in our upbringing.
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It's fun to see. It's fun to see how it's come together. And I think that's really exciting and remarkable, and I love that. So Willie had said, so you wrote in this book, this is in the Duck Commander family, which is a very entertaining read, and you learn a lot. You wrote Johnny. So Giovanni comes to Willie. This is your dad, Johnny. And with. With the studies, it says he had the articles with him. So he's printed it all out.
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Yeah, it's print them out. Oh, yeah, he had print them out.
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And he says 50 of all marriages between young people end in divorce, which is just kind of like how every marriage is anyway. That's kind of the running stat, anyway. And also they got married young. And so Willie says, well, what if we're the good half?
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Yep, that's right.
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And you were. You were the good half about that.
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That now I'm really thankful for, because it did force us to really, you know, at the time, I was like, I can't. Why are my parents, you know, fighting me on this and all that? Because I had a great. And I still do. We saw a great relationship with our parents, my parents, and did before then. I was never the rebellious child or anything like that. I was like, why are they, you know, fighting me on this? But now I do look back, and I'm thankful for that because I do think it forced Willie and I to fight for it and to say, like, okay, are we really committed to this? Are we really going to do this? And. And it forced us to commit in a way that, you know, I mean, hopefully we would have done otherwise, but I think in. In a. Even a. A deeper way to say, like, no, we fought for this. This is something we wanted and we were committed to, and we made an oath before God for. And so when the tough times did come in our marriage, because that happens in every marriage, you know, we. We kind of. We had that to look back on that, like, oh, this is something we had to fight for.
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We're going to be the good half. And then you talk about in strong and kind, about how your faithfulness to each other teaches kids to be loyal and that there's a lot to that. And what he said about Kay, that her loyalty saved the whole thing. So there's a lot. There are all of these connections that you had. So, okay, you meet in the third grade at camp. Now, Mary Kate and John Luke met at the same camp. So this is like the camp to meet your person, apparently.
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Yeah, if you're struggling to meet your person, camp. But they did meet at a summer camp as well. But my parents and we met at camp, and now John Luke runs the summer camp. He's the director at the camp right now. And our whole family's still involved out there and out there constantly and help. I always help with the crafts, the arts and crafts in the summer. And my mom runs a camp, so it is really important. And definitely I. We are big believers in summer camp. Go find you a good summer camp. Who knows, you might meet your future.
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Spouse on the moonlight hike. Well, and I liked it, too, because it said they had a dream. So this is your mama. Is that how you say it? Mama and Papa Howard.
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Yes.
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Started in 1967. The dream was to have a place for kids and teens to get out of their normal environment, spend time in the woods, have fun with friends, and get closer to God. So, I mean, what a great vision. So, okay, so Mary Kate and John Luke met at a different summer camp, but they met at summer camp. So there's all of these inner workings. Like Ms. K worked for your family's business, and then Willie worked for your uncle's business, and then Ms. K came to camp to be the cook for a bit so her kids could come. And that's where you met Willie. And then your dad has done some work for Duck Commander. And then you went to a school that Phil, Willie's dad, had taught at. I mean, the amount. And then you end up at church together. Is that common? Is that because it's a smaller town or. I mean, the amount of threads that wove through there was. Was so cool.
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Yeah. I don't think it's common. Even though, I mean, you know, we do live in a small town. I wouldn't say it's. It's not tiny. It's not like, you know, 100 people kind of down. It's. It's. It's a pretty good size small town. So, no, I do not think it's common. I do think God was weaving our stories together in ways that we just had no idea. Yeah. If you look at all the different connections, it's unbelievable. It really is unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Ms. Kim. That the year that they came to summer camp, they were still. They couldn't afford to come to summer camp. Most of Willie's childhood was really duck commander trying to get off the ground. So they were commercial fishing, and they were still really hospitable during that time period. They would catch a mess of fish and invite the whole church down and all that, but they really did not have much at all. And so for them to come to that summer camp, Kate volunteered to work in the kitchen. Yeah, she came. And Willie said he remembers not knowing if they were going to get to stay, like, packing their bag and pulling up to the camp, and Kay was like, I'm going to offer to work in the kitchen and see if they'll let y'all come. And not knowing if they would get to stay. And they were so excited. Whenever, of course, you know, whoever was the director at that time, I can't remember, said, yes, come on and let the boys attend that summer for. In exchange for Ms. K working in the kitchen.
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That's really brave of her and very humble.
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Yeah.
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To go and say, I'll come work, and I'm. I'm shooting my shot. And then that's where you met.
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Yeah. She is an amazing woman. All of those accolades that we. All those things we said about her in the book, we could say even more, like, she really is incredible. And she did. She held the family together. And, you know, we talked about earlier, I think a lot of time you look at, like, Phil's story, and it's like, oh, it's this big story from, like, terrible, you know, just really living this one way to turning and being a different person. And that gets this, like, praise because you're like, oh, he changed his life, you know, but had Kay not been there and forgave him, which is very hard to do in that moment, they would have never stayed together, you know. And so I think that, yeah, Kay gets a lot of credit and even for the business, you know, as A family business. You know what a family business looks like. It takes everybody. And Phil invented the duck call. But Kay ran that business. I always say she ran that business off the end of her couch with a basket and all the. The money and the paper. She dealt with all those things every year, how to get the loan to take care of this. And she just really is the backbone of the family, and so definitely should. Should get all the praise and honor for that. And I think, you know, women, as women, it's a lot of work to be a mom and a wife and run the family business and all those things. And sometimes it's very. An unsung job. But like that prophecy, at 31, women, in the end, her children will call her blessed. And we definitely call Ms. K blessed.
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When you read the book, it gives you something to emulate or to aspire to. And in particular, in the duck commander family, each chapter is a food. The title is A Food is a really laid out. Very cool. So, like, one of the chapters is like, rice and Beans. And it's talking about how, you know, there was this time period in life when they didn't have a lot of money and she could feed the whole family, four boys and Phil, and having people come in with $5 of, you know, rice and beans. They get these huge bags. And then the last page of the chapter would be like, willy's Rice and Beans and different ways that you can make that. I thought, oh, that's really, really creative. A really creative way to write a book. And just it gives people a lot of ideas of, like, what could we do? And you had talked about how she. I mean, the thing had grown to like, a million dollars in sales, and she was still running it. No business background.
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Yeah.
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And still making it happen. They're putting orders down on napkins and paper plates, and they're answering the home phone saying, you know, this is documented. People are placing their orders. So, yeah, it really is remarkable.
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Well, and I want to say this, too. I think that is, Willie talks about growing up and not having much. You know, they were on free lunch at school. They were very much living off the land to survive. But he said, we never felt like we were poor. You know, we had what was most important. We had food on our table, and more than that, we had love, and we had each other. And, you know, they played dominoes and with their grandparents, and they never felt like they were lacking because they did have what was really important in life. And not that life was perfect. I mean, Willie tells about how he, you know, rode the school bus on his first day of school in kindergarten and got off and like asked where to go. And I'm like, you rode the school, the bus to kindergarten? Like your mom didn't take you? And he was like, no, my mom didn't take me anywhere. She was trying to run a business and they were trying to survive, you know, and so they didn't play little league. They didn't, you know, they. They just couldn't because they were living down on the river, trying to survive in a lot of ways. So, yeah, I mean, there's parts of that that Willie appreciates now because he's like, I had to figure it out. If I wanted to play a sport, I had to get a ride, I had to figure it out, had to ride the school bus, two hours, whatever. But it made him who he is today. And so, you know, I want to kind of relieve that pressure for moms. If you're listening, it's like, you don't have to be. You don't have to do it all. You don't have to be perfect. You don't have to be the super mom that's like the school mom that delivers the perfectly, you know, shaped snacks or whatever. You don't have to do it all to be an amazing mom and to receive that love from your kids. You know, there's a whole lot of different ways of being a mom and just giving them the love and the laughter in a home that's warm is enough.
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What a message. Because at one point they're living in an apartment, the grandparents are There they're sleeping in sleeping bags. It's two bedroom apartment. And to say he never felt that they were lacking, it's such a big statement that there's so many things that would go into making a family and making a family special and making kids feel like they're loved and important and a part of it all. And so you could read about it in the Duck Commander family. I just thought it was very encouraging. Now you on both sides, there is just this legacy of faithfulness. So you were talking about your two sets of grandparents, but like in one part you were talking about your mama Joe, the Shreveports, and how she's still involved. Like she would come and do the 2am breakfast for the all nighter at 84 and she's coming to serve breakfast. So talk to me about your side of the family. I mean, you have a legacy of business owners even that. It's like if your dad hadn't gone out to start these businesses that ended up really being able to be something that was sewn into your life because then you were able to buy the warehouse from him and you know, he's helping with the website and all of these different things. So it's like on both sides of the family there was like this really hard work, commitment to family, a lot of love, commitment to God. It's really cool.
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Thank you. So my grandmother is 93 and is amazing, is still at everything that she can be at and wants to be such a part of what all the kids, you know, kids, grandkids now. She has great, great grandkids now. And she's a part, you know, if like they have a soccer game, she's like, what time? You know, she's just amazing, this amazing woman. And we all, a lot of us in the family live on the same property, kind of the same neighborhood. And so her house kind of starts the property and you know, she's just the matriarch and she's, she's amazing. And yeah, you mentioned in the book. There's a story I tell when she's about 84 years old, she retired. She was a stay at home mom of six children for most of her life. After all her kids were grown and out of the house. She joined my granddad's real estate business and ended up being the president of the board of realtors in the state of Louisiana in her 80s. But you know, I always tried to encourage moms because you, I think there's times when you're like in the middle of that raising your kids and you Think, okay, is this it in life? Like, no, you know, like, yes, this is amazing. And give it all you have right now, but also you're going to have time to do all these other things. And I look at my grandmother's life and realize, like, oh, you know, she had time to do it. You don't have to do it all right now. So she ended up. She finally retired, I think about around 84 or something like that, from real estate and running their real estate agency. And there was this moment when our kids were in high school and we were doing the after prom, you know, the middle of the night breakfast, and we were hosting it so as my grandmother, to cook something for it. And I said, I'll come pick it up. You know, a casserole or whatever. I said, I'll come pick it up. And she said, well, no, I'll bring it. And I said, well, I mean, it's going to be at like 2 in the morning. And she said, well, I don't want to miss out on the fun. So she's like, I'll be there. So she's there at two in the morning helping me host. My mom, my grandmother were all there, you know, making flipping pancakes and making a casserole for all the kids. But I just thought it was so fun and just a example to me of like, just because you're getting older doesn't mean you don't need to join in the fun of it. And one of the things I think a gift that she's given us is just delighting in her kids and grandkids and family. And you can always tell that. You always know that she actually, my mom has a set of twin brothers, and she did not find out she was having twins until the day before she delivered because back then they didn't do ultrasounds and all that. And I said, well, Mama, what did you think whenever you found that out? Just kind of expecting her to be like, I was overwhelmed. I was scared. She was like, we were so excited, you know, and that just is how she is. She. She loves her family. She loved being a mom. And that was a gift that she passed on to us. But. But yes, our family, we were part of. Willie had a family business growing up, you know, with Duck Commander. And our family also was family business. It was a little different. They had office and we. And my dad wore suit sometimes and all that. But I just remember my dad and granddad really sitting around the dinner table and talking business and family business. And I love that. I love to kind of be a part of those conversations. And so family business is really in our DNA. My DNA as well. So, yes, whenever Ms. K moved here, whenever Phil kicked her out of the house, and that was the lowest point of their life, she came to work for my granddad. And my dad was a young, you know, young at the time, but. But in the business as well. So that started the weaving of our families together. And yeah, I. I love learning from my dad, and I still do. You know, contracts come up and he's good at the details. So I take him over there to read the contract for me and point out the things that I need. So he's been great with that. And he actually came to work with us during the Dick Dynasty days because that was a time that, I mean, you could have never expected how Duck Dynasty affected Duck Commander. At the time, we were. I think we had 17 employees, and 14 of them were family. I mean, we were the whole workforce. We were doing everything. And then all of a sudden we're making this TV show and everything just blew up. In a crazy way, I'm so thankful for my dad. He came in and really helped. He had sold his business. Actually, one of his businesses was a publishing company called Howard Books that actually published our books. But he had sold his business to Simon and Schuster and so was kind of semi retired at the. At that point. And so he just jumped in there and helped us run Duck Camaro during that time period. Window Dynasty was just crazy, but. And he did everything from, you know, contracts and licensing and all that to literally opening our mail because it was a time period where we were like, we were so busy, we couldn't even open our mail, you know, and dad just did that stuff for us. He just took care of things for us, and he still does that for us today. It's like, hey, did you put your registration sticker on your car? You know, things like that, to just kind of help take care of our family. And they live next door. And it's amazing. My mom is just unbelievable. She is so involved in the. Her grandkids and now great grandkids lives and literally has a grandbaby at her house or a great grandbaby at her house every single day. So it's such a blessing to have them right next door and to pass on that legacy.
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I think when you listen to the stories and you watch and you read the books, you're reminded that, you know, your whole life you're sowing seeds and you just don't know. You have no idea like, your dad could have never known that all of this work that he's doing with his business. And I'm sure it was very hard, you know, trying to figure it out and open these doors. And I'm sure there was a lot of things that were hard and risky and failures and. And all along the way. And yet, you know, decades down the road here, it's going to be something that sews into your kids and into your kids kids. And Sadie had told me this story when we talked. That really stuck with me, and I actually don't quite know. I can't quite remember who it was, but she said one of her grandpas had a Christmas. I think a Christmas tree farm or a tree farm or something like that, and it failed. And what a hard thing. What a hard thing. Your business fails, and you, at this point, have no idea who your grandkids are going to be. You're so far from grandkids and them being at the age of getting married. And then she said, well, we ended up building. We got married, and then we ended up building our home on that property. And I just thought, you know, there are investments that we make. It's so aspirational to say, I'm gonna make investments for a time period maybe that I'll never see. Hopefully that I'll see, but maybe I'll never see. And also, you don't even know what it's gonna be. And it might be three decades down the road, but that faithfulness is so evident in your family, and you just really start to see those generational blessings. And I love that you wrote this in strong and kind. If you want to be an integral part of your children's and grandchildren's lives when you're 84, it doesn't happen by accident. So you're talking about Mama Jo. Great relationships must be cultivated intentionally, as Mama Jo has done with each member of the family. She shows that by the time she spends with us. And then you were talking about your parents, that your dad is like, if anybody wants anything, they go to your dad. You know, they want a snow cone.
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Yes.
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They're going to go to your dad. And then he's going to say, I was waiting for you to ask me.
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It's so true. Yes. I mean, grandparents are just the greatest gift. I'm so grateful that my parents were that for our kids, and I'm trying to be that for our grandkids, and. And they're still that for their great grandkids. Like you mentioned, I was thinking about, as you Were telling that there's a quote by Mother Teresa that I just love. And I read it, I think during the time period of Dynasty, whenever things were just crazy. And I felt this, like, I think the part of it was this, like, burden of, like, okay, how do I, like, make sure I'm juggling everything. Okay. And everything is like staying. All the balls are staying in the air and I'm not dropping anything and all of that. And it's from Mother Teresa. And it was this interviewer had followed her around and he was trying to get her to tell him kind of like all her success, like, what have you done? Like, how many people have you fed? How many people have you healed? What's the this? And she said, God hasn't called me to be successful. He's just called me to be faithful. And I just love that so much. And I think that is kind of what you were saying in that about the Christmas tree farm that failed or whatever. It's like, I think that just took so much pressure off me to say, like, it's not my job to be successful. Like, I don't have to count the numbers. I don't have to make sure it's all working. I just have to be faithful. And in that means, you know, as a wife and mom and business owner and entrepreneur and all these things, I just have to like, get up and like, put one foot in front of the other. I just have to stay in it. I have to stay committed. I have to be faithful. But I don't have to worry about the success or failure of it all. That's not mine to worry about. Yeah, I think that really helped me in a moment that I think I really needed it. It stuck with me. And I've told my kids, I'm like, I want that to be on my tomb soon. Like, God didn't call me to be successful. He just called me to be faithful.
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Because it says, we plant the seeds, but God makes them grow. And I think when you read your stories, it's like you see the seeds that are being planted, you see the hospitality, you see the hard work, you see the trying, trying, trying. But you don't know what's going to grow. You don't know. I actually think that's kind of exciting. It's, you know, from watching it from the outside, it's. It's just very life giving. And it's just a reminder that we can plant seeds to. And emulate all of these different things of sewing into family and, and maintaining our faith and passing Our faith along to others. In fact, when we came to, we came down and toured the warehouse. And I don't know if that's the same warehouse, but it's like, it is where Sadie does her podcast. Okay, that's the one. All right. So we came and toured with John, Luke and Mary Kate, which was so nice of them. And at the very end, you know, you go through this whole. It's so cool. You know, you go through this whole set of rooms, and it's all, you know, created to look like how things look. It was very amazing. And then at the very end is Phil is sharing his faith and sharing the gospel. And I was so touched by that. It's like the wrap up of everything. It's the wrap up of the blind. It's the wrap up of every episode with the prayer around the table. It was the wrap up of the tour. And even in the book, I mean, just constantly saying, this is God's work. We can't take credit for it. God's timing is always perfect. Look what the Lord has done. We survived. God was looking over us. He had a plan for our family. God's dreams for our lives are bigger than our dreams. So much the Lord has always provided. So like I said, it's just a constant. It's a constant little drip of like, be faithful. It's gonna be good. God's looking out for you. And I. And I love that. I love it. Okay, I want to switch gears. Switch gears. Because you talk in this book, strong and kind about a lot of really amazing parenting things. One of them is setting our kids up to be successful adults. And you had talked about how that. I didn't even know this. That back in the 60s was when the word teenager first came out, which I didn't know. I had no idea. It used to be like, kid and then adult. You wrote in the early 1900s, the word teenager didn't even exist. You were a child, and then you were an adult. There was no in between. The word teenager was first used sometime between 1934 and 1961. Same with self esteem. That came out in the 1960s. But I just talked to someone, Corey, who said, okay, so now we talk about teenagers all the time now. To me, adolescence was like 13 to 18. Now you're an adult. But this man said that adolescence has stretched and gotten lower and higher and that currently people say that adolescence is from 10 to 26.
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Wow.
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Or even 28.
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Wow.
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And he said that when you ask people in their 20s, at what point are you an adult. A lot of them will say 26 or 28. So it's like a totally huge difference that have changed. And so you talk about, you know, it's important to let our kids grow up now. Your childhood and Willie's are so different. He got. He. They just kind of let him go.
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Yeah. Pretty much raised himself in a lot of ways. Yeah.
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You told this story about how this is in the Duck Commander family, the story of where he goes to a school. Like, a new school had opened. He's like, in High School, 10th grade at this point.
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Yes.
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A new school open. He tried that one out, but then he wanted to go to the other one anyway. His parents didn't even know he had switched schools.
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That is true. Yes. Willie was very independent from a very young. I think it was just like ninth grade. I mean, he was pretty. It was. He had just moved into high school, and, yeah, he switched schools. There was. It was a point where a new school had just opened up. So they kind of had the choice that year in a public school which one you went to. So he started out at one, but the gym wasn't done, and he loved to play basketball. So he was like, I'm not staying here. So he started going to the other school and the high school, but just never told his parents. And, yeah, the principal called him, was like, well, he hasn't been at school for a while. And Phil was like, well, he's been getting up and going somewhere. I don't know. And then it turned out he was actually going to school. He just changed schools and failed to tell his parents. Now, my family was a little different. My mom was like the school mom. You know, she actually taught at our school and, you know, was at everything we ever did and all that. But I will say, I think both of us had families that really maybe, I guess, respected us as. As we got older, in a way of said, like, no, you can do this. Like, you're responsible. You know, set us to be responsible, and then kind of just let us do it rather than micromanaging. My mom wasn't. Even though she was involved in everything and all that, she didn't micromanage me or fix all the problems for me at all. She. She was there, but in a way that was really healthy and good. And Willie's was, in a way that was like, just made them grow up and figure it all out.
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You can see how the interweaving of your two families brought all of these different perspectives and all of these different experiences. I Liked reading about the stories of Willie when he was in elementary school. Is already an entrepreneur. He's selling snacks that are in the vending machine.
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Yes.
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And they had to ask him to stop because, like, they're losing money off the vending machine. He said he was making, like $300 a week. So then he said the kids were used to giving him money. So he just switched his tactics and he becomes the school bus entertainment. People have to pay him to sing. And then he started selling worms down at the dock. And he's making money off that. Then he was selling fish. They take it to the market. If the grocery store didn't buy all of them, they'd sell them on the side of the road. He was like, the sooner I could sell them, the sooner I could go home. So all of these things wove together. So he's got sales experience, business experience. You're coming in from a family that's got all of this business experience. You can just see how it all builds upon each other and becomes something bigger. It's a reminder that, like what you were saying earlier, that it doesn't have to be perfect. And it is important for our kids to have these times where they feel like they can grow up.
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Yeah, we certainly did not do it perfectly. But there is a book. I'm trying to remember the name of it. It was something like do hard things. And it was written by teenagers. I read it whenever our kids were little and gave it on our teens, you know, when ours were teenagers. And I remember John Luke specifically reading that book, and it really impacted him. And it talked about that. About how teenager wasn't even a term, and talked about how all these people who really founded our country were young, much younger than you can imagine them being in that. Yes, we. We don't give credit to young people. There's a lot of things about young people. That's why I love the younger generation. I've seen our kids and really just empower them to, like, go and do and build. Because, one, they're risk takers. You know, they're young, They're. They don't see the risk. So they'll jump in there and try something. You know, so give your kids that courage to say, like, no, go try it. And also the courage to fail. And that's something that we. You know, I have a. I actually have a quote about failure up in our house, and it says, I have a couple of them. One says, if you try and you don't succeed, you're not a failure. You're a risk taker. And just that shift in thought. And then there's one from Winston Churchill that says, success is not final, failure is not fatal, but it's the courage to continue that counts. So giving those things to your kids to say, like, it's okay if you fail, but try, you know, try something and let your kids try things. Let your kids go out there and, you know, when they succeed, awesome, great. Cheer them on. And when they fail, cheer them on. They worked hard, they tried something. So I do think that that book, I think, was really pivotal even in my life as a mom and in John Luke's life. I think it's called Do Hard Things. And it was written. Yeah. By some young, young guys that said, like, hey, we're not letting our kids, our young people do things and try things anymore. And that, that's really important.
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Modeled it. And that was part of what you talked about in Strong and Kind, which was you're modeling those things. You are doing hard things, Willie's doing hard things, everyone's doing hard things and people are failing. He wrote. I like to joke that the Robertson family and bad ideas go together like biscuits and jam. But we wouldn't be where we are today without having taken some risks. And even the company, it was like, is making $8,000, but she's got four kids to raise. You know, then it's making $12,000. And so many people would have thrown in the towel and they didn't, they didn't close up shop. They were patient and they let it grow. I didn't know that you made hand painted duck calls.
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B
I did, yes. That was my first little kind of foray into duck commander. Whenever these were little, you know, we. Willie was running the summer camp that we met at. He was the director out there and wasn't making a lot of money. And we had little babies and, you know, wanted to contribute, but also wanted to stay at home as much as I could. And so I started making these hand painted duck calls. I was an art major in college and so I did, you know, one of, you know, a thousand did. Did some limited edition series and I had to have Phil sign them and I would paint them. And I actually found recently a letter. This was, I had typed on, you know, this was back when you had like the old word processor, you know, didn't have like computers back then. And so whenever you would try to get someone to pick up your product, you would type a letter to whom it could in the sales department. And I found one and I I got these duck calls in, you know, like Bass Pro and I think Lands End and several, you know, good retailers. And I found where I had written that letter to the main concern, you know, about my hand painted duck calls and that they were numbered and Phil was signing them and that I was just sending them out, shooting my shot, you know, trying to get them picked up and it was really fun. I would paint at night or when the kids were down for naps and made some extra money for our family and then got to just be a part of Duck Commander and what was happening with this family business and we kind of just grew. Willie and I got more and more involved, you know, as, as time went on and it was a real blessing. Yeah.
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A
And here you are. The show is about to come back out.
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B
Yes it is. We're so excited to get to finally make that announcement. It has been in the works for a while. Honestly. You know, when the show ended we did 130 episodes in five years. And I mean it was, it was at a pace. So when we were done we were ready to kind of take a moment and step back and and then we kind of started a bitten approach several years ago about would we ever do another show again and we're like, oh, maybe we'll talk, you know, we'll talk about it, talk to our kids. And it was. It was special because when we brought it up to our kids, they all were like, yeah, we want to do it again. So, like, okay, we didn't ruin y'all by having you on television, you know, as teenagers. I mean, that was, that was. There was a lot to that. And so that was very, very good and rewarding that they wanted to do it again. It meant that, you know, they did enjoy it and we really did because we got to do it as a family. I mean, what a great blessing to get to be together and make this show in our hometown and our homes and all that. So they were. Everyone was on board with doing it again. And so we just kind of started the process of talking about it and we started filming in December and just made the announcement. So, yeah, A and e picked up 21 hour episodes. So this will be a little different than last time. Last time we did 30 minute episodes. So this will be our episode. So I think it's. I'm excited about it because you'll get to see a little bit more of our real life. You know, you'll still have that fun, funny part of the Dynasty, but also we really wanted to bring people into a little bit. Feel a little bit more docu follow to where you see some of the hard parts too. So we're excited about that. And it's all of our kids, so most of our kids kind of got married, moved away for a little bit, went off to college or whatever and have come back. And we all live in the same neighborhood, essentially. Our son Will and his wife Abby are in Texas. They're at a church there. And then our son Rowdy is in college in Arkansas, so they're not home yet. But a lot of the older kids have kind of gone away and come back home and work in the family business in some way. As you mentioned, Sadie's podcast studio is right here where I am right now, right here in our D Commander warehouse. John Luke runs a coffee roaster right here out of our warehouse. Bella is working in the museum and, and running the store. And so it's kind of that continuation, that generational legacy of what was going on with Duck Dynasty, where Phil and Kay were the grandparents, we were, you know, the parents and our kids were the kids. This time we're the grandparents and you know, our grandparents kids are parents now. And so getting to show people kind of that continuation of what's still Happening with the family is going to be really special. We're excited.
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It's really powerful. And you read the book and you're like, well, the first time that they made a DVD, it only sold 600.
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B
Yeah.
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But you're laying the groundwork. And one of my favorite, actually, words in the whole book, normally I don't have a favorite word, but I had a favorite word in the duck commander, and it was undeterred. And no one even said it, but it was like, undeterred. Phil kept doing what he was doing. It was something like that. You know, it's like the house is flooding and they're having to ride Styrofoam to go get the stuff. And you make the DVD and only 600 sell.
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Yeah.
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And all of these things. And I thought that word undeterred is so, so, so powerful.
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You know, I think that. I really do think that is the key is just not quitting. You know, a key in marriage is like, how do you make it 33 years? You just don't quit. You know, how do you make it in business? A lot of it is just not quitting, you know, whenever it gets hard, because there is going to be times when it's going to get hard. And, you know, I talked to our kids about that as they started their businesses. I remember with Sadie, even with podcasting, she, you know, decided she wanted to start podcasting. And, you know, I was just like, I think that a big part of the difference between a successful podcast and one that doesn't make it is people just quit before. Before they get, you know, they just. You have to build up. It's that. It's that we were talking about this yesterday with one of our kids is just that. With Sadie, about, like, speaking. It's that it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert at anything. Like, you just have to put in the work and just keep. Some of it is really just keep going, you know, and not that there's not things that you don't need to quit. I mean, there's definitely. You can be stuck in a rut and just stay there forever because you aren't willing to do something different. There are definitely times in your life when you need to recognize, okay, this is not where I need to be, I need to go do something different, or I need to quit this and. And. And try something else. So not to say that, but there is something to just sticking to something and giving it that time for God to work and being content in it. I always say, as far as, like, I think my best business advice really is just there's that mixture of risk taking and then also contentment to say, like, you know, we're okay if this succeeds or if it fails. We're okay if we're not making a whole lot of money on it right now. We're going to be content where we are and stay here long enough to see the fruit of it. Wow.
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And that's what you've done. That's what you've done. There was a sentence that said, phil laid the groundwork, and everyone just added to it. But if he wouldn't have laid the groundwork and if Kay wouldn't, you know, have been loyal and forgiving, then none of this happens. And if your dad wouldn't have been faithful to his business. I mean, all of those pieces come together, and I think the books, they do such a great job of portraying that. And in strong and kind, you really talk about, I want to live the values and the traits that I want to pass on to my kids. There is a wonderful. I think you buy this book just for. In the appendix, you have the Howard family legacy of principles for living. I was like, this is worth its weight in gold. Your dad would talk about, you know, the values that he wanted to pass on. He would do it at vacation. And I love that. I mean, it is a fabulous list. There's 57 things on here. Don't be afraid to be different. Remember, people are more important than things. Have an urgency for the lost. Have a good prayer life. It will help you through every problem. So just wonderful, wonderful books. And one of the one other things I wanted I haven't read before we wrap up here. I liked this. And talking about letting our kids grow up. John Luke had gone on some sort of a school trip overseas, and he said thank you to you because he said all the other moms are so overprotective. They call their kids nonstop worrying about every little thing. Thank you for not being like that and for trusting me and letting me figure things out for myself. So just this importance of kids growing up in not helicoptering. You talk about, you know, Sadie being on Dancing with the Stars, how to make that a family thing. You talk about resilience. You talk about being in love with your spouse, being loyal to our marriage. You talk about honesty, patience, being a confident parent, busy calendars, creativity. There is so, so much in these books and just so much that you're sharing with your lives. It's like such a blessing. It's such a blessing.
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Well, thank you it's such a blessing.
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Like, you don't even know, right? Like, you have no idea how many people that you will have touched. You won't know till you get to heaven. And it's going to be, like, so many people that have been touched by you sharing your lives. Tell us about your podcast.
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B
That's so nice. Thank you so much. Well, before I tell you about my podcast, I want to. I want to just say what you're doing with a thousand hours outside and in, just the bits I've seen about what you're doing, and I follow you and heard some of your podcasts and all that, and just love what you're doing. And it's a piece of that. Of just saying, like, hey, if I want this for my kids, I have to be it myself. Like, I have to do it. And there was a moment as a mom that I kind of realized that there was a young guy that I was talking to, and he had grown up in the faith. And this is. I talk about this in strong and kind. And that's where I kind of start, because it prompted me to write the book. And he said that he had kind of lost his way for a while. And I said, what do you think you did, even though you grew up kind of like, in the church and Christian? He said, well, my parents said they valued one thing. And he said, my parents. He's not just my parents. My parents and all the adults around me, I saw. He said, they said they value one thing, but they lived like they valued something else. And it was like this, whoa. Awakening for me to say, like, okay, am I living like, I value the things that I say that I value? You know, I can't say like, hey, you need to be off your phone and be away from screens and be outside, and you need to all these things. But I'm constantly, you know, looking at my phone or I can't say, like, I want my kids to be kind, but I'm rude to the person in the grocery store. And so it is about living it, and you're doing that and modeling that with the work that you're doing. So thank you for that. But you did ask me about Ello, Mama. So I did do an ELO Mama podcast, Sadie's podcast Flow. That's good. I've kind of guest hosted on hers a lot and been on there with her, but some people were. One of the things that I do hear a lot is, you know, people come up to me and they'll say something like, I don't have a mom that I can learn from, you know, and I'm so very aware of that because we are civilized that we have that. But I do think that as a part of what the church is meant to be, you know, if you don't have that, if you can get involved in the church, find a community, you can have aunts and spiritual mamas and all of that within a church family, because I know we don't all have that in our lives, but some people would say, so I learned from seeing you and Sadie's relationship and things like that. So I thought, okay, I'll. I guess I'll sit down and do a podcast. And I did it with one of my really sweet friends, Beth Redmond. And so we, you know, just talked about all things mom life and from little kids, so adult kids and everything in between. And then our daughters, Sadie and her daughter Maisie came on with us as well to make sure we were telling the truth about us as moms, because we were like, hey, call us out. Call us out. If we're saying something that we are, we're not doing, call us out. And so they came on and did a lot of the podcasts with us, which was so much fun, so much fun to do and just kind of relive all those things of, you know, seeing our, our kids grow up. But, yeah, it's just a mama podcast called Lo Mama, and you can find it wherever, you know, you listen to your podcast. But it was, it was a fun, fun to do, and it really matters.
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A
I mean, I think there's so many questions about how do you transition into adult kids. What about grandkids? So you've got that whole gamut of wisdom and experience. So just a fantastic one to listen to. Corey, this is like a total pinch me moment. I mean, I can't even totally believe it. You have been an amazing influence in our family for well over a decade. You have given us something to aspire to. You have given us hope in the hard days. And so what an honor. What an honor. And I'm so excited that is continuing on. The show's coming back on. People want to see, like you had said, they want to see the faith. They want that kind of content that is uplifting and gives you something to look forward to and a vision. It gives you a vision for how things could be. And so what a gift for all of us. God's timing is always perfect. That's what you wrote. And have patience and believe. I got so much out of these books. We always end our show with the same question. That question is, what's a favorite memory from your childhood? That was outside.
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B
Oh, my goodness. This is funny because I was just talking about this. So it's about to be the end of squirrel season, so the boys are all talking about going squirrel hunting. And so I was with Ms. K yesterday, and we were talking about squirrel squirrels. And I was remembering my granddad actually taught me how to skin a squirrel when I was a kid. And like, I. So if you think about, you know, our families, as we talked about my family and Willie's was very different. Mine was a little bit more in the subdivision, that kind of thing. But my granddad grew up very country living, and I would, you know, I would love to. I love to fish with him. Growing up, I. That was one of my biggest, very favorite things. We would go out fishing and he would cook them immediately for lunch. So we'd have fried fish for lunch. And he would say. I would always say, more fish, papa. More fish, papa. But. But I do remember one time my brother killed a squirrel, and my granddad taught us how to. To skin it and cook it right there on the spot. And it was a really special memory. And we just happened to be talking about that yesterday with Ms. K. So that's a fun one.
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A
I love it. I love it. Corey, thank you so much for being here.
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B
Thank you.