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The 1000 Hours Outside Podcast
1KHO 463: The Best Supplement is the Sun | Hilda Labrada Gore, Holistic Hilda
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Jenny
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Jenny
Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. I've been looking forward to this for so long because Holistic Hilda, Hilda Labrada Gore is here with us today. Welcome, Hilda.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Oh my gosh, Jenny, I am thrilled to be here. I love what you're doing and I'm so grateful to be on the show.
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Jenny
I have been following you for such a long time. Such a long time. You're one of the people that I never really expected that we would even cross paths. Cuz I was following you. You know how that is. You're like this person and you know, they're, they're doing all these, they're doing the cold plunge and I'm all these cool things. It's ancestral wisdom which I just am so drawn to you share. And then we ended up at an event together with Robert F. Kennedy Jr's confirmation hearing. That was a wonderful thing. I've been on your podcast. You do a podcast called the Wise Traditions Podcast, which is for the Weston A. Price foundation, which I've been following for over a decade. I have the cookbook. You know, we did the first foods for our kids. I learned so much and I got to come on show and it was a top three show in 2024. But kind of Hilda, it's cheating because I think mine went up like really near the beginning of the year.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Ginny, it's still not cheating. Your message resonated with the audience of Wise Traditions because people know that being outside is an ancient wise health way.
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Jenny
Yes. It matters so much. You have so much to offer. We're going to be talking about that all throughout this episode, but I'd love to kick it off with your story. You have a really emotional story. An emotional story that started off in your early years of life where you're talking about that there's no baby pictures of you. I know they're not not there because there was a fire or a flood or a hard drive got corrupted. They're not there because people thought you weren't going to make it.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
That's right. Oh my gosh. I don't want to cry, but it really is wild to think about Jenny. So my parents knew I was born with a birth defect and the doctors basically told them I wasn't going to live very long. They were very concerned to the point where I don't think they were just not taking pictures because they didn't want to remember me, but they were probably very concerned, like, is this baby going to live? You know, and what the doctors detected upon my birth was a hole in my heart between the lower two ventricles. Basically the blood wasn't flowing in the right direction. Babies born with this condition are called blue babies. And so, yeah, they were monitoring me for a number of years because back in that day they didn't have the technology to do these in utero procedures that they do now. So when I was nine years old girl, they literally sawed me Open, opened up the sternum, you know, cracked my ribs open, put my body on ice, which is one reason I think I like the cold plunges. Subconsciously. They put me on ice, they sewed up the heart, they put it back in me, they sewed me back up, and then told me I could do whatever I wanted. Well, for a kid who was underconfident in my body, skinny, unsure if my heart going to burst because it was broken according to what I understood at the time, all of a sudden, given a new lease on life, I was like, whoa. So I had two things I wanted to do, honestly. One, I had to thank God. I had a predisposition to believing in him because I felt like he spared me in utero. It could have been so much worse. My mom was exposed to the German measles when she was carrying me, so she knew even before I was born that something could be wrong. But they were like, your child will be blind or deaf. And, you know, my parents were concerned, but they're like, we're having this baby. So I felt like God protected me and. And then use the surgeon's skill to give me a new lease on life. And I was like, okay, I want to thank him first and foremost. And the second thing I want to do is make sure my heart and my body last as long and stay as strong as possible for the long run. And then I realized, oh, my gosh, I want to help other people do the same thing. So this is my mission in life.
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Jenny
Yeah. Wow. You wrote the hole in your heart was the size of a dime. That is so big at birth. A little baby. And you talk even about your scar. You have a big scar down the front. Can you talk about the mental and sort of emotional side of having a scar like that?
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Hilda Labrada Gore
I remember thinking as a child that no one would want to marry me because I had this big scar on my chest. And I remember my mom also telling me, unwittingly, you know, how we can say things to our kids, like, cover it up, don't let anyone see it. And I thought, oh, my gosh, I have a defect that's still showing. You know, And I was really, really concerned about that. I thought I could picture myself engaged and my husband, or my husband to breaking it off and saying, no, you've got a scar. Forget it. So I was very nervous about that. And then I think also, like I said, I was kind of uncertain, like, what am I capable of? I remember going to amusement parks with my family, and it said people with heart conditions shouldn't get on this ride. And I was like, is that me? So there was a lot of uncertainty. There was a lot of, I think, self doubt. But because of my faith in God, and I will say that a doctor told me once, you know, the cross might have been shaped like that big T on your chest, it might not have been like this. And I was like. I was like, oh, my gosh, I feel marked. Like, marked and sealed by God to, like, do something special on this planet. And so I just feel like that gave me a confidence that I didn't have before. And then also knowing I can be strong. And I sooner or later learned that the heart is a muscle, and just like the bicep, you can strengthen it by movement. And so I started getting involved in fitness. I taught fitness classes for decades, really. And then I started exploring the world because I thought, let me learn more about health ways around the planet.
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Jenny
Oh, it's so interesting. So no one has ever come on the show and use the phrase ancestral wisdom. And I love that this is. I mean, this is the lane that you are in and that you are pulling from all sorts of different things to talk about this ancestral wisdom. Obviously, we're in this age of, like, life hacks and biohacks and there's so much information out there. When did you get interested in ancestral wisdom?
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Hilda Labrada Gore
I think it's when I came across the Weston A. Price Foundation. And for those who aren't familiar with it, I'll tell you this, it is a group that is lifting up the work of a dentist researcher from the 1930s who traveled the world looking for the healthiest people on the planet, basically. So Dr. Price was in Ohio. He had a small clinic, and these kids would come in and he was, like, really puzzled, Ginny, because they had crowded teeth and they had poor posture and poor hearing and all these issues. And he's like, what's going on? Because he also got National Geographic magazine and he would look at the people in there and he's like, they have broad smiles. Of course, as a dentist, he would notice the teeth first. But he's like, they look amazing and hale and hearty and fertile and strong and optimistic. And he's like, I've got to go see for myself how these people are living and what they're eating. So he traveled the world every year for, like 10 years. He visited over around 14 countries, far flung corners of the world, from Alaska to the South Sea Pacific islands to Scotland to Kenya to Australia. And he took copious notes. And what he found was that these people were embracing ancestral wisdom. They were living according to the traditions of their ancestors that was serving them well. And these were isolated indigenous people groups that Dr. Price found. So he wanted to find people untouched by modern lifestyles and foods. And he. He found them, but they were just small pockets, because Even in the 1930s, the modern foods and ways were kind of creeping into these different villages and so forth. But what he found primarily was focused on food. He found that they were all eating local, organic, seasonal, traditional foods, and these foods were nourishing them. Deeply and honestly, Ginny, when I look around today, I'm like, we look so sick. We have the problems that Dr. Price came across in the 1930s only exponentially greater. Kids are suffering from chronic conditions at a young age. I think one in three children has a chronic condition. And then, of course, there's. I'm talking asthma, allergies, even ADD and autism. All kinds of issues are creeping up, and I would say creeping down and reaching our children. This is why I love what you're doing, because your movement to get people outside is part of the secret that Dr. Price actually almost overlooked in some of his work. He wrote a book called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, so he could see how the modern foods were causing chronic conditions and illnesses that were heretofore not seen in these indigenous communities. But he almost didn't notice. He remarked on it, but didn't put two and two together. I think about the power of sunlight and being outdoors and getting the negative ions from the earth for good health. So I got inspired by him. This was about 10 years ago now, maybe 12 years ago. I was like, okay, this man is fascinating. Sally Fallon Morel, who started this foundation, and his name is amazing, and a proponent of slow food and all the things I thought, let me start going around the world myself and let me follow in the footsteps of Dr. Price and find people and see if they're still holding onto their traditions and what the consequences are or have been when they've stopped. So I've kind of kept going, and I'm just so thrilled with all I've found.
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Jenny
And it's important to keep going, because what's interesting when you bring it up about indoors versus outdoors life used to be lived a lot more outdoors. That's a change that has occurred however many decades, you know, in the past. But, like, kids used to come home and spend the whole afternoon outside. They would spend the whole weekend outside. And going back further, you know, no one was inside. It was hot. There was no air conditioning. There was nothing to do. There weren't any screens. So people were outdoors, and that was natural around the world. And that has changed along with the change of foods. So tell us where you've been.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Oh, my goodness. I've been so many places. But I want to start with a story of a family and some tribes I met in Ethiopia along the Omo Valley. So I got to travel with Mary Ruddock, who is an ancestral nutritionist, pointing people back to real food for good health. And we took a tour together in Ethiopia, basically to connect with the Mercy tribe, the cattle tribe, and many more. And I'll never forget, among one of the tribes, a little boy started running beside me. And of course, there are communication issues in some of these groups. And we had a translator with us. But before he could come up to me, he noticed and I noticed this little boy started tug on my shirt, and he's like, saying, teacher, teacher. I'm like, oh, my gosh, he's calling me teacher. That's so sweet. I realized later he was saying, t shirt. T shirt. He wanted my T shirt, Jenny. He wanted my T shirt. And Mary and I processed this later because we thought if we give our clothing to these tribes, we're starting to change their culture. That's not why we travel the world. We want to learn from their culture and embrace it. And that very child that was pulling on my shirt, I got to spend time with him and his family later, and it was fascinating. But number one, the kids are barefoot. Number two, they're running around outside, running around. We're eating all our meals. They're doing everything outside, except at night. They will go into their huts, often made of, like, sticks or mud and clay, and they will lay on the ground on animal skins. So this isn't something from 200 years ago. This was two years ago that I saw this, and I won't forget this, because my translator guide friend said to me, his name was Moye, by the way. I think we called him George because that was his favorite patron saint. Anyway, George was saying, hilda, I'm trying to raise money to get these children shoes. And you'll understand this. Ginny. I was so conflicted because I thought, okay, that seems like most Americans would say, of course we should get shoes to this poor little child in this tribe who's running around barefoot. But the way I see it, because I've traveled the world, and I've also interviewed experts on the subject, when we put our feet on the ground, when our children put their feet on the ground, they get the opportunity of offloading a kind of positive charge that they're getting from all of the electronics, all of devices, some of the things you've mentioned, including those cell towers nearby and our smart TV and all these things, they're communicating a charge to our body which gets too heavy to bear and can lead to anxiety and illness. But when the kid puts their bare feet on the. They have the opportunity to offload that positive charge and receive from the earth the negative ions, this negative charge that helps prevent cancer, that lowers our cortisol levels. So the last thing I wanted to do, God bless George, because I know he was well intentioned, but the last thing I wanted to do was to get shoes on these children who are getting the benefits of grounding that even in our developed nation in the United States, our children are not getting any longer, and it's to their detriment. And I would also say, love that your movement of a thousand hours outside is good for adults too, because I can't remember, when I engage with different adults, I realize they can't remember the last time they were barefoot. I do. It was just a few days ago because I know how important it is. And when it's too cold for me to go barefoot, by the way, I end up touching every tree in my neighborhood when I take a walk with my dog. And I know people think I'm crazy, but I'm like, hey, the dog's got it right. They've got their paws on the ground. Why can't I put mine there too? But so it's something that, that we would do well to go back to some of these ancient traditions, including being barefoot and being outside, spending more time outside and less time indoors. It is a wonderful, wonderful, wise tradition.
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Jenny
What a thing too. I think with all of these particular instances, being barefoot is a great example. The benefits are vast when you're talking about this exchange of electrons and this exchange that we have with the earth when we're barefoot. But also, I mean, this is helping with balance and coordination and your ankles and like, you know, you're able to. It's giving all of this feedback to your body and to your brain as to how to move.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Yes, a hundred percent. And that reminds me of a celebration I went to in Ecuador. This was in 2021. I thought I was going to take a whole group down, but being so close to Covid, people were afraid. So I was like, well, I'm going to go down anyway. I got to be a part of, of an Inti Raimi festival, which when I googled it and an Ecuadorian woman said, hey, let's go down together at this time on purpose, it said something like, it's a sun adoration, you know, festival. And I was like, wow, I don't know what I'm gonna expect about this. Come to find out, Ginny, it was much more of a Thanksgiving celebration, as far as I could tell. The people were grateful, yes, for the God given sun and the earth, but they also were cognizant of the fact that we don't need to adore those things. I felt like it was really a gratitude to God that they were offering, but the way they were doing it was with move and in community. And so they take a week. I think it's around the summer solstice, and they literally are like stomping and dancing and playing their instruments and re energizing the earth. This is how they put it. They said, we do this dance to thank the earth for its harvest. And we see it as a mother after giving birth, how depleted she feels. We want to say thank you by stomping around. And I asked them about it. I said, said, have you always worn these boots? Because they had some heavy boots when they were doing these dances. They said, no, we used to do it barefoot, but the modernization has happened, you know, so now we wear these heavy boots because it makes a better stomping sound. And I was like, oh, isn't that interesting? But I'm bringing it up in the context of movement because I think you're right. From young to old, the oldest people, you know, barely moving, and the younger kids racing ahead for the ceremony of the dance. And then they. They celebrate with a meal outside also. They call it the Pamba Mesa, I believe. And it's like this long kind of community picnic, really. They set out a spread of avocado and guinea pig and all the things they ate there, and they were all sharing it. There was such abundance and beauty. And so, yeah, I am increasingly convinced that we need to spend more time outside. And this is why I, personally, Ginny, have undertaken your challenge of a thousand hours outside. I got the coloring paper from your website. I'm coloring it in. I am so thankful for this challenge because even though I know these things, here I am on a computer right now. I mean, I love technology, but I need the encouragement and the inspiration to get outside more. It's easier in the summer, as you know, in the spring and the fall, harder in the winter. But I'm like, I'm gonna do it and try to up my hours so that when winter comes along, I still want to get outside because I realize the benefits of all of the elements and experiencing the cold and the hot. But I really, really love your invitation to and to do it as a family.
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Jenny
Thanks, Hilda. And I think what's cool about all of this stuff is that it's, it spans the age gamut. My dad does it. My dad is a grandfather. There's no kids at home anymore. And he's, he always sends me, I hit a hundred or I'm at 150. So he's doing it. And I think that for me, as our kids have gotten older, you know, it was really important for me to get our little kids outside. Obviously it's important to get the teens outside too, but it's just as important to get myself out there. We all need it. We are surrounded by technology and modern conveniences and so we have to prioritize that it makes a whole big difference in the way that you feel and the way that your life is going. Our next sponsor has been a game changer for my family and me. If you get nauseous, you absolutely must get our next partner, Relief band. I don't know if you all know this about me, but there are times when I get super nauseous. I've been looking for a solution for this problem for quite a while and I finally found it with relief band. It is one of my favorite things I own. Relief band is legitimately a band you wear on your wrist to give you relief from nausea. And you can change the intensity depending on how you are feeling to make it stronger or weaker. It is 100% drug free, non drowsy, it works quickly before or after symptoms start and it has zero side effects. Relief band is FDA approved, clinically proven and recommended by doctors nationwide. And because I'm very conscious of what I put in my body, I love that I don't need to take any pills for relief band to work its magic. Are you still not sure about relief band? Here's a real story from one of relief Band's customers. Clara said. Relief band has been life changing for my family. I suffer from motion sickness and nausea due to anxiety and I cannot remember a day without nausea before Relief band. I love it so much I bought one for my son. So if you want to cure your nausea problem fast, join the hundreds of thousands, thousands of people who are nausea free with relief band. Right now we've got an exclusive offer just for 1000 hours. Outside listeners, if you go to reliefband.com and use promo code 1000hours. You'll receive 20% off plus free shipping. So head to R E L I E F b a n d.com and use our promo code 1000hours for 20% off plus free shipping.
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Jenny
And I love that your information that you put out now you've got a YouTube channel, Holistic Hilda. You're on Instagram, you have your own community, which is fantastic. It's just I think around $20 a month. Month. And I'll make sure I put the link up there. The Holistic Hub. You have a course about the six ancestral secrets for energy and vitality. It's about your long haul health, health for the long term. You have a bunch of events that you're doing one with Dave Asprey, which is so cool. That's coming up in April and the Wise Traditions Conference is in October. You have a shop with a bunch of guides. So we'll talk about more of those specific things. But these ancient health ways are often fairly easy and fairly conveniently priced. So you talk about there's pricey supplements, there's all these fitness programs, there's all these fancy protocols. I always laugh around this one that a friend of mine, she came on the show, so it's a friend of mine and I, and I love her and I love this, but I, when I was prepping for her interview, she had this Instagram video where she had this helmet on with all these things that was somehow maybe connected to her brain, I'm not sure. But there was also these tubes that were going up her nose and it was red light therapy for her brain because it was going up the nostrils to the brain. And I just thought, well, if you lay on the ground and you look up at the sky and you're looking, you know, you close your eyes, you're watching the clouds flow by. There's probably red light going up your nose up to your brain. So talking about that, there are ways to do this that are more fancy and maybe a little bit more expensive and with experts.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Yes.
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Jenny
But also there are ways to do this, this that don't cost much and you. That anybody that, that are accessible to anybody. So can you talk about sort of the differences there? There seem to be almost like two paths that you can take toward optimal health these days.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that. Well, so let's talk about Dave Asprey. He originally came to where he's at today because he was overweight, he was unhappy, he was anxious, and I believe he was hiking in Europe somewhere or maybe even India. I don't remember the complete backstory, but I know this he came across some herders, I guess it was in Afghanistan or someplace like that. They were drinking tea with yak butter. And he started to realize, oh, maybe if we put a natural saturated fat in our coffee or our tea, we could lose weight. So this was the secret to his beginnings. I don't know if you know this backstory. He started bulletproof coffee as a trend, as a way to lose lose weight, and it worked for him. He started putting coconut oil, I think MCT oil, and all these different things. But he was inspired by ancient wisdom. Isn't that cool? Then he became known as the father of biohacking because he realized people are busy. They might have money, but not time. And so maybe they can find a hack or a way, a shortcut of inviting this ancestral wisdom into their life. So, yes, we can all jump in an icy lake, which I love and I've done in Switzerland. I can hardly believe I'm saying that I got to go to the Alps and swim in an icy lake that used to be a glacier. I was like, what is happening? What is life right now is amazing. Or we can go to a cryotherapy chamber and pay a price and get it done in three minutes. They can bring the temperature down really fast and you get that benefit. Or, you know, it's that sort of thing where I can go to. Yeah, a red light panel therapy place, or I can go outside and get the therapy from the. The full spectrum sunlight. Like, it's. It's fascinating to me. So why they. While these might seem juxtaposed, I do think people can kind of pick their path. What is going to work for them in their lifestyle. I have seen the red light therapy for the face. I'm sure it's great. You know, I've. I've seen all kinds of choices, but I'll never forget one time when I was talking with Ben Greenfield, he said, hilda, these are all pointing back to ancient health ways. I'm like, you're exactly right. And he's like, yeah, people want to even, let's say, freeze themselves, so maybe someone can thaw them. I don't know if this is a thing or not, but thaw them 100 years from now, or they can just have kids, and that's a way of carrying your genetic line on. And I was like, that's so cool to stop and think about. So I don't mind the biohacks. I get it. But I would say, as you pointed out, Jenny, that a lot of these ancestral health ways are accessible and Mostly free. You do have to pay for food, but you don't have to pay for the. And so I do want to pause here and tell one more story from one of my trips. And cut me off when we get close to time, by the way. But when I was in Peru, I'll never forget, I was with a friend of mine, Katita Williamson, and she set up the whole trip. It was so amazing. She had lived there before, so she had some connections with some Quechua people and so forth. So we got to go to the highlands outside of Cusco, to this high mountain and meet some elementary school children. And Ginny, their faces were so rosy and so round, and their faces weren't rosy because of eczema or allergies. They were rosy because of their time, naturally in the sun. And I couldn't help but contrast these beautiful school children with the university students that I met in Lima who were pale, they had poor posture. You know, they were inside studying under fluorescent light lights most of the day. And then when they weren't there, they were at their computers, you know, working on their research papers or what have you. But I was like, wow, what a contrast. And you would think the university students are light years ahead of these basically very young children who are still living close to the land. But I would dare to say those kids were tapping into the ancient wisdom of their parents and their grandparents and their great, great grandparents. They were still getting the sun, and they had no idea what the sun was offering them. Let's say it may be perhaps intellectually, but they were benefiting from it nonetheless. But I will say, because I've read Chasing the Light by Linda Geddes and Light and Health by John Ott and the mitochondria. Mitochondriac. My manifesto. That's a mouthful. Try saying that 12 times fast by RD code. But I. I've read so many books, and I've done so much research on this topic, because the sun, in particular, I think, is the simplest ancestral secret to avail ourselves of. And what I do is this. I will tell you. I've learned this from Jack Cruz and my friend Thaddeus Owen, who has a podcast himself. And they say if you get outside within 30 to 45 minutes of sunrise, you're getting a particular spectrum of sunlight that is very beneficial for the circadian rhythm, for metabolism, for kind of sinking the clocks in each cell in your body. The sunlight hits your suprachiasmatic nucleus, and it informs the body about what time of day it is. And this is super Important for hormonal function and balance and so that you can have more profound sleep at night. So what you do in the morning also, just energetically, if you think about it this way, sets the tone for your day. So I would suggest as early as possible. If sunrise right now where I live is at 7:15, I get out within 30 to 45 minutes of sunrise. I take a short walk. But you could just be in your backyard with your kids, have a picnic breakfast, like mix it up. But once you do that, you have set the course for your day and set the tone in such a special way. It's so much preferable to, you know, answering emails or scrolling or, you know, you hear the babies cry and you're like, oh, I can hardly get out of bed, but grab that baby and start nursing them outside. Or, you know, do what you can to invite the whole family into this. And I find it's. I just can't believe how life changing it's been for me. I started this probably about eight years ago and my husband laughed at me, Jenny. He's like, oh my gosh, you're such a night owl. You know, he never thought I would turn things around. But because I started to get that early morning sun, I started to get sleepy earlier. And then instead of working late at night, once my kids were in bed, I realized, oh, I can do some of those chores in the morning. So it's just everything flipped. And I am profoundly grateful because I have energy like no other. I feel so much younger than my years and I think in part it's due to the sun.
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Jenny
So let's talk about that. Let's talk about the spectrum. So the last person I had on to talk about light Light is Jacob Lieberman and he's got some fantastic books as well. And I've only read, I like wrote all those titles down because I haven't read many of them. I've read Light and Health, but I hadn't read a bunch of the other ones where he really talked about the spectrum of light and talked about wave versus peaks and things like that. And I, you know, this is partly why when you go camping, you sleep so well because you're up with the sun. I mean, you've got the lights coming into your tent and you go to sleep when it's dark because there's nothing else to do. And people will sometimes do that heading back into a school year to like reset their bodies to get back into that rhythm. But talk to us about spectrum. I mean, I think that this is Jacob Lieberman came on at the very beginning of our podcast. It's probably been three years. This is something that nobody really talks about or knows about. The lights in their home and the spikes from the fluorescent. Why does they have full spectrum matter and how does it change throughout the day?
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Okay, well, I lean a little ancestral. And by that I mean while I do some of the studies, I don't have have all of the information that some of my expert friends do. But I'll tell you what I know. In the morning, when you get that morning sunlight, you're getting the right part of the sunlight and it's not all the colors just yet. So of course we can't see these with our naked eye. Right? But so what you're getting is just what you need to wake you up. It's like instead of a cup of coffee. I don't actually even drink coffee. I don't think I need coffee because I'm getting all of this light information. And I think it was Dewey Lehman who I interviewed on the Wise Traditions podcast who said, hilda, essentially we are light eaters. So you might have heard Ginny about people called Breatharians who say they're just living on breath. I actually would disagree. I think they're Sun Aryans. I think they are living on the nutrients that the sun gives us because it indeed nourishes us. People look at the sun. I think it's just vitamin D. It's so much more than that. And by the way, it's giving you the information that your body needs to produce or synthesize vitamin D. By the way, some people say it's a hormone. It's not even just a vitamin. So it's much more than that. So you're getting the right light information that you need in the morning that sets your circadian rhythm and your metabolism. Side note, I have a friend who simply changed this habit. He would sleep in till whenever, you know, get outside, maybe after his coffee and some work. I don't know what time he'd get outside. But he started doing this tip from Jack Cruz. Get out in the morning between 30 to 45 minutes of sunrise and see what happens. And he lost weight. He didn't change anything else, Jenny. That's all he changed. So there's something about that light information. So then I will tell you in the middle of the day or even before that, around 10am, I think you start to get some of the UVA and UVB light coming in. Now, this is when we're told by the experts to Stay out of the sun because we could get burned or it's so strong. But, but I don't think God makes any mistakes. Personally, I know that we need the UVA and UVB just as much as the morning light. And by the way, when you get the morning and the evening light, where there's none of that in the spectrum, it is protective from when you get the stronger, harsher rays in the middle of the day. So we both need that light, but we also don't want to burn. So some people say, oh, I'm a redhead, I have very fair skin. My people, people are from Ireland. I can't do this. I bet that you can just try getting more of the morning light and the sunset light because there's no UVA or UVB in the sunset light either. And you can actually use that to your benefit. Your body gets the right information. This is what happens to me is when we go out in the middle of the day, we're like weekend warriors who think, I'm going to play, you know, ultimate Frisbee this weekend and I haven't moved a muscle all week long, of course I'm going to to hurt myself. So if you just go out in the middle of the day, you are likely to get burned. But if you start building your solar callus, as we call it, by getting the morning and the evening sunlight, that will help you. It also helps you to eat a antioxidant rich diet, include a lot of berries and even, even more fats. Actually, they're antioxidant rich as well. I love butter, it's one of my favorites. So do that in complement to what you do in the sun. But I'll also tell you this. Some people avoid the sun because they think in the middle of the day in particular, oh, I'm going to get cancer or I'm going to get wrinkles about cancer. I think. And this again is from some research I've done, but also from some interviews I've done that as we have avoided the sun in more recent years and put on more sunscreen, the incidence of skin cancer is going up. Because I suspect it's not about how much sun we're getting, it's about how much artificial light we're getting. We are sending the wrong light information. By being under fluorescent lights and LEDs, we are getting this flicker that is disturbing to the brain. By the way, if you get a headache in front of your screen, it could be because of the blue light or it could be from the LED that you're under, we need more natural light and less artificial light. This is what I suggest to avoid cancer, actually. And also when you slather yourself with a sunscreen, it's full of chemicals that harm marine life. A lot of us know that, but we don't think about what could it possibly be doing to our lives. So experts say there are such chemicals in there that they are actually leading to cancer. So it's not the sun, it's the sunscreen. So there's lots to consider here. But I would also say don't just take my word for it. I like to say n equals 1, meaning do your own study of yourself. Do this little practice of the morning sunlight and the evening sunlight and get the midday sun and see what your body can handle and what you will benefit from it. Like, I just think it's amazing to do that instead of saying, well, there was a study done in Switzerland. You don't live in Switzerland. Well, and if you do, then that's great and I'm happy that you're listening right now. But if you don't live there, do the study on yourself, experiment, play with it. I think we far too often outsource our health to the experts, even the influencers. And I'm saying that as a person who has been labeled that, like, stop outsourcing, live it yourself and see what serves you best. And by the way, I'm not against supplements, but notice that the word is supplement. It is to come in addition to the food that you eat and what you're already taking in. I think we can go crazy and also go broke buying everything that's on the market. I just choose the things that align with me and that are working for me at this time. Supplements that are mostly food based, I would say, because I know my diet's imperfect. So I'm like, where can I get, you know, the zinc and the phosphorus and the things, the copper that I want in a way that's going to be accessible to my body. So I look for food based ones. But the best supplement we can get, I think in my opinion, it's the sun.
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Jenny
Interesting conversations and it's very controversial. I remember years and years and years ago when I first started posting and this was my first brush with like the mob or the nefarious things that are going beneath the surface in terms of big corporations and making money. I had read about how if you eat good quality oils and less processed foods that you can protect your skin from the inside out. And it made sense to me because if you Think about things that fry right. You got these like crummy oils and they fry up real crispy. But you know, these good oils, they don't do that. And so I tried it with our kids and it, you know, it seemed to really work. So I was showing, I showed one time. I took one picture of like a zinc based sun block. I never again. I can never get them quite right. But it's like, it's not absorbing right. It's like blocking the sun. It makes you white. You look like a ghost. My kids would always be like, mom, did you rub it all the way in? And I'll be like, yes. You know, they're totally white. They look back at pictures and they were like, mom. But it doesn't really rub in. It's reflecting that sunlight off so you don't get burnt. So if we're gonna go spend the day at the beach, I've got the zinc oxide. But everyone has had coconut oil in their smoothie or a dose of really good fish oil. And it helped. So I posted one picture and I was like, at the very beginning, no one commented on any of my stuff. And it was like 3,000 people came and commented and they were like, look at my, my grandma's skin cancer with all these like grotesque pictures. I mean, just coming out of the woodworks. And it was my first experience with like, obviously something is going on here. My post got leaked to some sort of, yes, sunscreen mob corporation. But it's interesting, like those pieces that you might not hear about, or if you do hear about it, then you're really gonna second guess yourself because all of these people are saying, don't risk it. This is awful information. However, it did work for our family. And I have heard that sunscreen also can give you a false sense of security because your body is supposed to pay attention. So if you're out in the midday sun, you would probably normally seek some shade.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Yes, girl, yes, you are so right. So, yes, there's. So I think there are two things at play here. One, I think people should follow the money trail. Like, pay attention. Who stands to benefit from my taking in this information? So like you said, sunscreen companies, you know, big monopolies that are like selling, you know, diaper rash cream and sunscreen, who knows? But then there's also people who have been, I would say, heavily programmed. You know, there have been programs to say, supposedly protect the skin in Australia. I think there was one that was like, like, called slip and Slap. Like slip the sunscreen on and slap a hat on. It was slip, slap, slop or something like that, you know, so we have these things running through our head and also these images that are very scary. That's another thing to pay attention to. Is, is this a fear based thing or is this drawing me in love? And that's again, what I love about what you're doing, because it's drawing me in love to the place I want to be, which is outside. And in Dr. Price's noticings and his observations and all of his notes from the travels he took around the world, the native indigenous peoples were hardly wearing clothing. He said sometimes they would just get dressed when they were going into town, you know, and they didn't have skin cancer. And people were like, well, you weren't around back then. Well, it's true, I wasn't around back then, but I'm around back now. And the people getting skin cancer are the people who are doing all the right things, by the way, except they might not be following the dietary stuff. So that's a really good point that you bring up.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
To mention when I was in Kenya I had the privilege. This is actually what got going got me going with the Wise Traditions podcast. I don't know if you know this story but I was visiting a Maasai warrior Again, sometimes I tell these stories. I'm like, is this really my life? I'm so thankful. But anyway, I was visiting a Maasai warrior. He had contacted the Weston A. Price Foundation. Ginny. He had said, please send someone over. We're all getting sick. He said, I have diabetes. My wife has asthma. He had seen the physical degeneration in his own family that Dr. Price predicted because they were starting to get sodas and sugar and flour and things coming into their diet that were never a part of the Maasai diet before. So he said, send someone over. He's like, I could try to tell my tribe to go back to the ways we used to eat and stuff, but they're not gonna really listen to me. Cause, you know, as they say, a prophet is not welcome at his own hometown. So I had the privilege of going over there, and I went with an accompanying friend who was also a chapter leader. Anyway, we ended up in this very remote village on the border of Tanzania in Kenya. When I was there, this older man started walking up to where I was staying. He had a walking stick, but otherwise in really good health. It turns out the man was, like, nearly a hundred years old, if. If not over a hundred. Ole Sangu was his name. And I thought, I have to interview this man. I hadn't started the podcast, mind you, but I was like, I have to find out, what did he eat growing up? You know, what did they do when they got sick? I grabbed my iPhone. It's probably like version 12 or 10 or something. But anyway, I hit voice memo. I started asking him through a translator these very questions. I said, what did you eat when you were a child? He said, whatever we could catch. Which I love that answer. Basically the Messiah, hunter gatherers. And they were nomadic, you know, so they would just eat whatever they could find. And then when I said to him, what did you do when you got sick? He said, we never got sick. I literally did a double take. I was like, you never got sick? He's like, we never got sick. If we ever felt a chill going on, he said, we would just drink milk from the cow. And he demonstrated drinking it straight from the udder. And I was like, I was getting chills. And then I said to him, well, you know, tell me more. So he's like, well, now they say, it's getting cold. Your children need jackets. He's like, but we never wore jackets. Jackets. And now they say, a disease is coming. You need shots. He's like, we never got shots. And I said to him, what made the difference? Why the difference in this cultural shift? He said, education. And I was like, oh, my gosh. You know, again, people may be well intentioned thinking we're going to educate these tribal children that don't have an education, but they were unwittingly taking them away from their very traditions that were serving them so well. So after I had the opportunity to be there and share some of the secrets you and I are talking about, but also some of the dietary findings of Dr. Price, this pastor got up at the end of my visit of a small church there in this village, and he said, starting today, the women will cook our traditional foods. And I was thinking, these ladies are going to be so mad at me. I was like, they're going to kill me. But no. Then I found out that this tribe makes their decisions by consensus. They were all in agreement, they wanted to return. And then I got to go a year later, Ginny, in 20, 2016, and they had started to switch back to their meat and milk and blood. And what was the mainstay of their diet, which was probably naturally protective of their skin, like we were discussing earlier. But these things, we would all do well to return to a simpler single ingredient diet. This is part of my six secrets course. But it, it starts with the sun honoring our sleep and again, avoiding the artificial light at night. It's is one step in that, you know, eating single ingredient foods for sustenance and so on. I think these secrets are kind of overlooked, as you were saying earlier, because almost in a way, like, they're too simple. And maybe we think it has to be a fancy like mask or red light to the brain. When it's so simple, we kind of dismiss it. And I think we would do well to revisit it.
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Jenny
And also I think that it's not. But the easiest thing these days to slow down. It involves slowing down. If you're going to be cooking your own food, if you're going to prioritize getting outside, there has to be a slowdown. And there's a little bit of fear, especially as parents, if we slow down, are our kids going to be left behind? Are we going to be left behind? And are our kids going to be prepared for the future? But what about their health? And we've had a similar experience. Our kids have not needed a doctor's appointment for anything acute since we started going, going outside in 2011. We have five kids. I mean, think about how many decades of life that that represents. They've gotten sick here, there, but no one has gotten sick enough to ever need a doctor's appointment. Since 2011, it's been 14 years and we've got five kids and we're not even all that like healthy otherwise. I mean, we're trying. I'm actually really trying. I'm trying to pull out the seed oils and the natural flavors which are artificial and the food coloring and we don't do aspartame. That's been a long time thing, but I'm really trying. Like we're on the path now. I mean, I, I started learning a long time ago from the Westin A Price book, but have not been consistent. But the outside, I believe has been a total protective factor for our family's.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Health a hundred percent. And this makes me so happy to hear because I think it was Matt Marucca who I interviewed on the Wise Traditions podcast who said the sun is nature's super vitamin and that's what your family is getting, how nourished they must be. And, and by the way, it's okay that they've gotten sick here and there. I've come to learn that that is the body dealing with toxins or things that needs to get out. So if they've got a runny nose, you know, don't give them something to stop that. Or if they've got a sore throat, the body is fighting on its own. I think if we give the body a chance to combat whatever it's dealing with on its own terms without tamping down those symptoms, we actually can surpass that sickness hurdle and come, come out even stronger on the other side. Anything you're dealing with is likely the body. Body's attempt to handle what you're confronting. It's, it's so beautiful. I've read so many books, I've interviewed so many people. I find it so fascinating. And I was never one to like pop a Tylenol or an aspirin even because I had the feeling that that was so. But I've learned more and more. The body has an innate ability to heal. And our job as parents is to support that innate ability the best we can. And that means getting outside. That means nutrient dense foods as best we can and so forth. But you're doing, doing great, Jenny, and I'm so proud of you. And now my kids are young adults, by the way, and I still gave them that coloring page from your website. I'm like, let's get outside. Because I think it's something I even overlooked. Like at first I thought, okay, all it has to do with good Health is working out. I was a fitness professional for decades. I was like, let's just work out. Kind of a gym rat. Let's keep moving. That's all it takes to burn those calories. Then I learned about the Weston A. Price Foundation. I'm like, okay, it's diet and exercise. That simple equation on lot of people come up with for weight loss and good health. But now I know health is so multifaceted. But an overlooked element is the power of nature to heal.
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Jenny
Yeah, I think one of the things that stuck out most to me and I lost 30,000 followers after that Robert F. Kennedy Jr confirmation thing that we went to at the Capitol. It was quite an experience. People have asked me a lot about it here and I, you know, we went on tour recently and people asked during the vip, they asked about it and we got to sit together. It was just a monumental moment. And for me being there and sitting, I think it was like four to five hours straight. Basically. We didn't get up and leave. We didn't wanna lose our seat. We were right there in the second row. And what stuck out to me the most was how single focused it was. It was just shots, shots, shots, vaccine, vaccine, shots, vaccine. And there wasn't anything about any of this. And that was what was most appalling to me. And I, I mean people were so mad that I posted about it, but I was appalled because I thought these kids are dependent on society the way that society is structured for their optimal health and well being. When you're talking about these ancestral wisdom pieces like the nutrient dense food and getting outside, none of that is prioritized and end. It's not even talked about at all. So what were your some, some of your takeaways from that time? It's sort of similar, different thoughts. I mean it was, it was different than if I would have watched it piecemeal like afterward. To watch it straight through the way it was was very shocking to me.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
Yes, it was shocking. And notice that Kennedy kept saying. I noticed because the questions kept coming back to vaccines like you pointed out. He kept saying, saying there is a chronic disease epidemic and we need to get to the bottom of what's going on. And the other senators just were staying focused and I think apart again, we need to follow the money trail. Who is helping to pay their salary? Who's giving them lots of campaign donations? They are beholden, many of them to the pharmaceutical companies. And they may not want to admit it, but why couldn't they hear his battle cry? This make America Healthy again initiative is something we could all get behind. I loved recently, I have to tell you, Kali Means was there. You know, he was sitting right close to us as well and he was saying, come on Democrats, out maha us. It was very cute and kind of a taunting way. I heard him say that recently. But I loved it because I thought everyone is welcome to out maha anybody. This is not a Democratic or a Republican issue. This is for our children. And yes, it was a shame that they didn't let him elaborate on about what he wants to look into. And by the way, he is fulfilling his promises. He recently was looking at baby formula. He's getting radical transparency about what's in the baby formula that's hurting our kids, including seed oils and corn syrup. Those should not be the first few ingredients in that formula, you know, that's not in mama's breast milk, you know. So he's going moving forward on that front. He's trying to get glyphosate out of the kids lunches. And I know because I'm like, you were in the mix a little bit here with what's going on there that people are giving him all the data so he can help get to the bottom of what's making our kids so sick. I love his heart and I'm grateful I've had the chance to interview him a couple of times on the Wiser podcast. I'm grateful that we have a unique opportunity right now. So again, regardless of where anyone stands, I am hopeful about the changes that we're going to see here. Is it it the answer to our well being problems? No. Probably every family needs to make the choices that are going to benefit their families most. But I will say this one thing I was encouraged by too. And I don't know if you are cool with this, but I'll go ahead and say anyway. I was very blessed because I turned to my left and there was a woman who saw an open seat and took the opportunity to like scoot up and sit in our row. I was like, who is this person? I don't know this person. But there she was next to to me. And I looked at her and I noticed she was praying under her breath. And even now, Jenny, this moves me so much because this is actually one of the ancestral secrets is things of the spirit. What good is it if our kids are outside every day they're getting all the right foods but they're dejected and anxious and discouraged because there's tension in the home or you know, we are carrying worries that we're passing on to them and concerns about what other people think. I say we have to do what makes our soul shine. We have to do things that lift our spirit. So play music, you know, dance, have fun, have game nights. Whatever it takes to lift your spirit, pray. This woman was encouraging me so much, I knew those prayers were being answered even as we sat there. But it inspired me to pray more and to. To pull for what is right. You know, when you have things that lift up your family's spirits, they're going to be well, even if they don't have organic food on the table, even if they spend most of their day inside, because that is just as necessary for well being.
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Jenny
Absolutely. Dr. Meg Meeker wrote a book about getting boys outside and roughhousing, and it was all about boys. And one of the chapters, and I wasn't expecting it, it was about, you know, thriving boys. And you're expecting it to be about the roughhousing and building forts and climbing trees. And it was about that. But she also had a whole chapter where she said, boys need God and all kids need God. And it was so powerful, she said, and. And I asked her about it. I said, you know, this isn't marketed as a Christian book or anything like that. And I said, why? Why did you put it in there? And she said, because it's true. And she had worked with decades and decades of children, and she said, it's true. Everybody, kid needs that spiritual foundation. They need God the Father. They need someone that's. They need to know that something is dependable. They need to know that something is eternal. They need to know that they have a purpose. And I just felt like we do our kids a disservice when, because of our own discomfort, we avoid those subjects. And I believe we have had, and I've talked about it briefly and I'm going to be talking about it more, but we got kicked out of our church community last year for bringing concerns about a youth pastor who turned out to be a pedophile. And so it was seven months after we. We sent him these letters with all of these concerns, and they kicked us out and were so nasty. He got charged with nine felony counts for picking up a male minor in his car. I mean, it was so unbelievably awful. And I thought, there is a war on children. That's what Kim Jon Payton says, an undeclared war on children, but a war on children in so many areas of life. And it's, you know, with the food and the pharmaceuticals and the lack of play and, you know, even the way that education is set up. And even in the church, there are, you know, there are these wars that are happening on children. And it is up to us as parents, I think, to stand in the gap, to be outspoken about that, to make sure that our children are safe and cared for in all of the ways that you talk about, in all of the ancestral ways. And that includes their spirit.
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Hilda Labrada Gore
A hundred percent, 100%. And notice that I first came to faith. My parents weren't really that into it at all, but I think it was a little neighbor friend would have me for sleepovers and we'd go to church together. And I was like, this feels right. And I remember kind of of responding to an altar call when I was like, eight. But I was a kid. I was a kid and I had a faith that my parents didn't have. So the kids are naturally curious, and I think their hearts are inclined to God. So I do want to say this. Kids are watching us, right? Our children are watching us. And I love to say this because I think it's really true. More is caught than taught. So that's why we can say, get outside, get outside. But if we're inside folding laundry or doing all the things, things, it's not going to be as impactful for them as if we're right beside them, exploring. Okay, the laundry can wait. By the way, young moms, the laundry is always going to be there. You think? Are you caught up? No, no. They're going to get muddy again, like, so let it go. Let some of that stuff go and realize that more is caught than taught. What is your life like? Are you anxious, depressed inside? You know, disbelieving in God? Maybe you need to have some stillness. This is one of the beautiful lessons I learned from this Aboriginal woman in Australia. She said, in our culture, we have the custom of dadiri, which is a custom of deep listening. And I remembered that verse in Psalm 46:10. It says, Be still and know that I am God. And I thought, wow, if we could be more and do less, become human beings more, embrace that and not become human doings, we would learn so much about who we are and whose we are on this planet. So I'm all about that spirit piece. I think it's really, really critical. And for me, it's been life changing.
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Jenny
Yeah. And I love that you talk about modeling, because I will model to my kids any day. That I'll lose 30,000 followers if it means standing up for the health of children. I will have my name smeared through my community, which it has been completely smeared through our whole community. If it means I'm going to be see the David and the Goliath situation and stand up to a mega church that did not do its due diligence to protect children and they had, you know, a pedophile on staff. I mean, I will do that. And I think we're modeling that as well as we model these ancestral traditions and ways of living to our kids, where you and I are also modeling being an outspoken voice for the sake of children and their health, their spiritual health, their well being, both now and for the longest term. And so I'm so honored to be linked arms with you. Someone said to me, how are you homeschooling your kids if you're spreading all of this? And I was like, this is the most important homeschool lesson I could ever give to my kids, is that we stand up for children. We stand up for children. That is biblical. That is God honoring, and that is the right thing to do. And so I'm so honored to have linked arms with you, Hilda, to have been able to spend this time together, to have connected in, in the ways that we've connected. And I know we will connect so much more. You have a guide about nourishing. These are only like four or five dollars. You've got guides on your website about nourishing, detoxing, boosting your health, even starting your own podcast if you want to be a voice in, in your community and in the world about health and kids and all of these things that are going on. So people can check that out. I'll make sure I put the links. We always end our show with the same question. What's a favorite memory from your childhood that was outside side?
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Hilda Labrada Gore
I remember going with my aunt on a hike in Monterrey, Mexico, and I just remember, oh, I think it was Las Gurutas de Garcia. Wait a minute. Wait, let me think. Or was it Cola de Cavallo? Anyway, there were waterfalls, there were canyons. I think it was beautiful. For me as a kid raised in the US from Latin parents to be taken to Mexico in the summers and to spend time outdoors, to be hiking, to be exploring canyons and waterfalls. And we didn't do it every day, but notice those are the things that stuck out to me because those were outside and they were memory builders and they were connecting with nature and they were nourishing in every way and building.
- [64:32]
Jenny
Relationship with your aunt. So, so many wins. Win, win, win, honor. Thank you so much for being here.
- [64:41]
Hilda Labrada Gore
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- [65:30]
Jenny
Foreign.
- [65:37]
Hilda Labrada Gore
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