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Jenny Ertin
Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Jenny Ertin, the founder of 1000 Hours Outside and it is an honor of a lifetime to have John Bevere here. Welcome, John.
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John Bevere
No, the honor of the lifetime is if Jesus was on your podcast.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah, that's true.
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John Bevere
I mean, I'm just your brother.
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Jenny Ertin
That would be a step up for sure. But this is incredible because you are so accomplished and you have have impacted so many people. You've written 25 books. 25 books translated into more than 150 languages. And yet when you were in high school, writing and language were your worst subjects.
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John Bevere
Without a doubt. Yes.
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Jenny Ertin
Can you give some hope to the kids that are listening? They're like, I'm kind of struggling in school too. But you never know what God's going to do in your life.
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John Bevere
I mean, you know when, when the Lord spoke to me in 1991 to write, I said, you obviously have so many kids, you're getting us confused with one another. I said, all you have to do is look at my ACT SAT scores. My SAT score in English was 370. I've only met two people scored lower than me in the SAT. I mean, it's crazy. So, yeah, and I remember two women came to me from two different states within two weeks of each other, 10 months later. And they said, they both said the exact same thing to me. They said, john Bevere, if you don't write what God's giving you to write, he'll give the message to somebody else and one day you'll stand in judgment for it. So I literally, I literally got a notebook, piece of paper, Jenny, and I got a Sharpie and I put contract on the top and I wrote a contract with God. I said, God, I think you're making a huge mistake. I can't write. I need grace. And I signed the contract and now the books have sold, I think, I think either pushing 10 million or a little over 10 million. It's crazy. It's, it's absolutely crazy.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
Yeah. Yeah.
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Jenny Ertin
You never know what God is going to do, especially with you, especially with your weaknesses. Your story here too is that you didn't become a Christian until you were in college, but you said that even in high school. And I thought this was a really cool thing. So this is in this book. The new book that's coming out is called the King is Coming, which is a topic that most people don't want to tackle. It's time to prepare for the return of Christ. And then I also have sitting here with me this book called the Awe of God, which actually they go great together. Similar format. The astounding way a healthy fear of God transforms your life. But you talk about in the King Is Coming how in high school you, you didn't know God, but you were, you, you were affected by looking at the universe, you say, I remember studying the universe as a hobby. I knew it was utter foolishness to think that it all happened by chance. So can you talk about that journey? In high school you don't believe in God, but by the time you're a sophomore in college at Purdue, things change.
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John Bevere
So in high school I, I was an amateur astronomer. But my, my whole life was tennis. I was on, on a tennis court six hours a day at least. Junior Davis cup, the USTA circuit. And my goal was to be start on a D1 tennis team. And I did. I started at Purdue University. But you know. Yeah, what you know, the pipe. The Bible makes it so clear. And I can say this as a person who didn't know what the Bible says, who wasn't in relationship with Jesus. When I look into the universe and I knew the distances, I knew how everything existed, I had the awareness of it I said, my teachers are crazy. If they said this all just happened. I knew there was a creator, but in college, one of the best. And, you know, Jenny, I'm so. I'm so ashamed now to say this, but I'm sitting there thinking, I'm not listening to anybody unless they're a good athlete. Well, God says, okay, I got the perfect guy for you. And it was one of the best athletes in the state of Indiana. He's in my fraternity, comes up one night, and he starts sharing the gospel with me. And he could see it was just going over my head. So I. I was raised Catholic, so I kind of. I was. I was a little religious, but he looked at me and he said, can you tell me about the President of the United States? I said, sure. Jimmy Carter. His wife's Rosalind is peanut farmer from Georgia. On and on and on, right? He said, great. Can you tell me about Jesus? I said, so I gave him all my Catholic knowledge. Yeah. Born of a virgin named Mary and died on a cross. Had 12 apostles. He said, great. He said, do you know President Carter like you know your mother? I said, no. He said, what's the difference? So I've never met him. He said, so you have an intimate, personal relationship with your mother, but you know about President Carter and you never met him? I said, yeah, that's it. He goes, do you know Jesus like you know your mother? And my jaw drops, and I go, what? He said, john, God didn't create you to be religious. God desires an intimate, personal relationship with you, just like you have with your mother, but even closer. And I'm. When Jesus came into my heart, I mean, here I was. I was. I was going out on dates. So I wasn't. I was lacking in the social life. I'm. I. I won the state high school tennis tournament. I'm playing junior Davis Cup. I've got everything. Everything a young man could desire. I'm even going to a Catholic church. Catholic church. Because I didn't know God. You can go to any church, and if you don't know God, it didn't satisfy. Tennis didn't satisfy. Girls didn't satisfy. Parties didn't satisfy. But when Jesus came in, he satisfied everything. And all of a sudden, I realized, he's my life.
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Jenny Ertin
Tell us about your. This is a fraternity brother who is probably 20 years old. Are you still friends with him?
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John Bevere
Yeah, well, he was the. He was in my wedding, his brother. They were twins. His brother became a really close friend. We would. We would spend time just in our Bibles in our concordances and order pizza when the rest of the fraternities getting plastered drunk. And we just studied the Bible together because I was so hungry. So, yeah, they're twin brothers and they're still friends to this day.
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Jenny Ertin
I mean, you never can imagine. It's so interesting to hear stories like that because, okay, you're like, well, what if that person I talked to, Max Lucado, he had a similar story. It was like someone just kept inviting him to church. It was a young person. And you're like, that person can never know that. That this person who I'm sharing my faith with might someday go on to have 25 books translated into more than 150 languages and have 70 million resources in 240 nations. I mean, what a thing. It just goes to show the power of sharing your faith. You don't know. Well, you don't know what God's going to do with that. You don't know what God's going to do when your worst subject is creative writing and language. I think there's a lot of hope in those messages. So a sophomore at Purdue, you give
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
your life to Christ, you start a
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Jenny Ertin
Bible study, and that happens for a long time. Your d dating your wife Lisa, at the. At that point, and she becomes a Christian as well.
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John Bevere
She's. No, she's the wildest girl on Purdue's campus that was out of a mouth of another guy. I hadn't been out with a girl for two years because I saw dating didn't work. As a young Christian, I didn't have time with tennis and studies and everything, so I felt like the Lord wanted me to ask her out. And yet she was wild. I mean, wild wild. But she was the most beautiful girl I'd ever laid eyes on in my life. And. And I remember on her first day, at 1:30 in the morning, I mean, I took her to our Bible picnic at midnight. We started walking on the campus because I didn't know what to do. I hadn't been on a date in two years, and all she knew to do is go to a bar and get drunk. So I started walking around the campus. And at 1:30 in the morning, she shakes my hand and she says, do we need a Bible? And I said, for what? To do this? She said. I said, I'm not done telling you about it yet. She said, I don't care. I want to pray. I want to give my life to Jesus right now. So she. She prayed. At 1:30 in the morning, we got back to the to. To our our places, different places. At 3 in the morning she stayed up for two hours looking for the book of Paul. And finally at 5:30, at 5 in the morning, God shows her. Second Corinthians, 5:10. If any man's in Christ, he's a new creature. Old things are passed away. All things have become new. She goes ballistic. I heard the voice of God. Well, she's making her bed that morning. And the Lord said to her that morning, the man that led you to me last night will be your husband. And you too will share the gospel all over the world.
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Jenny Ertin
Well, wow.
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John Bevere
I mean, I had no idea. But after we got engaged, she, she told me that story and I was just, wow. So. And sure enough, we together, I think We've been to 65 nations all over the world and preaching the gospel and, and she's my absolute best friend today. We've been married 44 years this year.
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Jenny Ertin
Congrats to you. Wow, what a story. So you'll get a little taste of that in the King Is Coming. So this is a book about the second most frequently mentioned topic in the entire Bible. I had no idea that it was mentioned that much. The return of Jesus. Can you talk about why that might be?
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John Bevere
Well, that was where that's what caused me to ask the question, God, what is your wisdom in this? Because also the early church fathers, the first three centuries, it was the second most thing they wrote about. Salvation was the only thing they wrote about more. So my question became, why? Why would you emphasize this so much? And I realized that most people reduce it down to an event, but it's actually a marriage. It's a groom that is in love with his bride. And we, the church, the body of Christ, are his bride. And it's a story about a bride who should be longing for her husband. So God used a lot of my story with leases of my engagement to kind of open up my eyes to how important this big day is of his return. Because if you look at the overall picture, Jenny, God right from the beginning said, we're going to create mankind. They're going to mess up. But that's okay because his son from the foundation of the world said, I know they're going to mess up. I'll go die for them because she's going to be my bride. And so what God was looking for was a family. But even more, he was looking for a bride that would reign forever and ever and ever right beside her husband, Jesus. Now that bride consists of millions of Christians that have given their lives to him. The Way he gave his life to us, right? And when you look at the length of 7,000 years, so Adam was created right around 6,000 years ago. God has given mankind 7,000 years on the earth. First 2,000 years was called the age of chaos. That's because man learned they were chaotic without the laws of God. The next 2000 years from Abraham to Jesus was called the age of the law. That proved we could never have a relationship with God by keeping his laws. And by the way, God gave his laws to protect us from ourselves. Because when sin, a sin nature came into us, that sin nature causes us to gravitate to what will harm me. So God says, I'm going to give you laws to protect you from yourself. We couldn't keep them. Then Jesus comes along and dies and he puts God's nature in us. He we literally become born again. Now we have the ability to keep his word, right? And now out of that is not just a family, but God says, I'm going to have a bride for my son. Because seven days is nothing to God. Because the Bible says a day with the Lord's a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day. So my. Let's say I live to be 100 years old, okay? In essence, that means my life is less than two and a half hours to God because one hour is 42.6 years to God, okay? Peter said, don't ever forget this. A day with the Lord's a thousand year of our years, right? Now if you look at seven days, that's nothing compared to eternity. So God says, in this little blimp of time, I'm going to draw out of a bride. Now I asked the question, what's going to keep us from trying to rebel or, or create a mutiny like Lucifer did? And the Lord spoke to me and he said, lucifer and the fallen angels were never tested in enemy hostile territory. But my bride will stay faithful to me in enemy hostile territory. Because this whole world is contrary to the ways of God, contrary to the kingdom of God. And here we are in this world. And this is why Paul said, you're going to suffer persecution, you're going to suffer affliction, you're going to suffer tribulation because you're in a society that actually is going in the direction that harms us. And God said, I've come to deliver you out. And we stay faithful. Now he's got a faithful bride, and he's got someone he can rule and reign with forever and ever and ever. The galaxies, the countries, the continents that are going to be erected and constructed in the ages to come. It's exciting.
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Jenny Ertin
So this is the eternal perspective that you talk about in the King is Coming. You. I've observed an interesting reality in most American believers. They see Life through a 70 to 80 year perspective, whereas our people see life through the eternal perspective. And the eternal perspective, it's a template for making decisions differently. That's what you talk about in the book. You live differently because you have a different perspective and you're looking at a longer, like a longer term, Like a much longer term. A much longer term than 70 to 80 or even 100 years. So, okay. I had no idea that the return of Jesus was the second most frequently mentioned topic in the entire Bible. You say it's mentioned 318 times in the New Testament alone. You're like a numbers guy. I can tell. Only four books in the New Testament don't discuss the return of Jesus, which means 23 do. The only multi chapter book that doesn't mention the second coming is Galatians. Okay, so all that to say, here you are, you're preaching the gospel around the world and you say for 35 years. You're like, I'm avoiding this.
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John Bevere
Yes, yes.
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Jenny Ertin
The word is eschatology. I think that's how it's pronounced. The study of the end times. You say I and people will ask you and you're like, I don't do that.
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John Bevere
I'm not called to do that.
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Jenny Ertin
I don't teach on that. I was like, oh, I kind of avoid it too.
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John Bevere
Boy, God's got a sense of humor. He said, not only are you going to do this, you're going to write a book on it. Because I never thought I would do this.
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John Bevere
But you know, seriously, I avoided it for 40 years of my walk with God. But in 2020, the Holy Spirit started drawing me in. And what I noticed, this is what I know. So because the reason I didn't like talking about it, I just, I didn't like the controversy. I didn't like people arguing pre trib, mid trib, post trib rapture with if your viewers don't understand that's, that's, that's the Lord coming and catching his saints away. It just, I saw people sometimes get lazy. They had escape mentality. And I just said, I don't want to see that. Well, when I started studying, I didn't study hundreds of hours. I say thousands of hours, not realizing I'm going to write a book, okay? I'm doing it because I feel like I'm supposed to. And what I noticed is I became a nicer person, okay. I was kinder to my family. I was, I didn't get upset with my staff as easy. I got a lot more passion about winning souls to Jesus. Ministry became a whole lot more important to me now. And I'm not saying it wasn't important to me 10 years ago. I'm just saying it went up to a whole nother level even think was reachable. I started literally weeping over people that didn't know Jesus. I just would weep. God, please let me lead them to Jesus. And so I'm sitting here going, this is good fruit. Well, all of a sudden, the end of 2024, the Holy Spirit puts it in my heart to write a book.
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Jenny Ertin
This is not that long ago.
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John Bevere
No. And so two other ministers I highly recomm respect said the same thing. We really feel like you're supposed to do this. I'm like, oh, My gosh. So now I spent the entire year 2025 writing this book, and boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. I started seeing things I haven't seen in 47 years of walking with Jesus. There were mornings I literally walked into the kitchen because I was right early in the morning, and I looked at Lisa and I said, baby, I'm so sorry. I'm so quiet right now. I'm so riveted by what the Holy Spirit's showing me. I, In a good way. I, I, I, I'm, I'm just, I'm, I'm speechless. And so no book I've ever. Of all 25 books, no book that I've written has impacted me personally, as this one did. There might have been one other called Driven by Eternity, which is actually very similar.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
But that one deals with the eternal aspect. This one deals with the marriage, the coming of Jesus, and the millennial reign with his bride. So, yeah, it's. It, It. I'm telling you, it's put a fire in me like nothing I've ever written has. And I'm so excited about people getting this message.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah. Yeah. So by the time you're listening to this, you can go get your copy, because this is something that, you know, if you're this pastor and you avoid speaking it, on it for, you know, for decades, it's possible that other people have not considered it or they avoid it. Like, I do, too, because they're like, I, I don't really want to be here for the tribulation. So hopefully we're not.
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John Bevere
Let me, let me, let me interject this. Yeah. Okay. A lot of eschatology, when it's taught, has been reduced down to dates, timelines, blood moons, tsunamis, pestilence, famine. So it's been reduced down to the signs. Let me, let me. What I find, the Second Coming is, is more of a message of, is preparation. Now, now stop and think with me. I'll give, I'll give two examples really quick. When I was in college studying engineering at Purdue in the, in the late 1970s, early 80s, we didn't have cell phones, so the dreaded finals week, we had to go to the engineering building. They had a big, big sheet posted. It had all of my finals, the date, the time, and the building. That took me 10 minutes. Okay. So that's like the blood moons, the, the earthquakes, the famines. Right. But what I spent hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours doing was preparing. So this message is really not about dates and timelines, although I do Talk about it. I talk about when's the church going to be caught away. Is it pre, mid or post? Not for us to argue, but to comfort us. But the majority of this message is on the preparation. Now stop and think with me. Revelation 19 says this. The marriage of the Lamb, the marriage of Jesus Christ has come and his bride has made herself ready. Now listen, that made herself ready. So I'm engaged to Lisa for four months. And the last two months I have to work in Dallas. She goes to Indiana to prepare the historic home, it was called the Commandant Home, where we're going to have our reception. And she's got to prepare the Covenant Presbyterian Church where we're going to have our wedding. And so she's spending two months doing it is the longest two months of my entire life. I mean, a day seemed like a week, a week seemed like a month. It was ridiculous. And I remember all I could think about was Lisa. All I could think about was our wedding day. And I was eagerly anticipating that wedding day. Now, the first thing the Holy Spirit told me to do when I was writing this, he said, go back to Jesus first coming. And was there controversy? Yes. Was there ambiguity? Yes. Was there, Was there a mockery? Yes. Was there fear? Yeah, not so much. But I looked and I said, who are the people that got it and who are the people that didn't? Well, the people that didn't were the Pharisees. And basically they loved money, they loved position, they loved power. They could quote the first five books of the Bible from memory. You talk about dedication, okay, but they can't recognize God manifest in the flesh when he's raising the dead. But here's this guy named Simeon and he, he comes to the temple because he has a relationship with the Holy Spirit. And he walks up to a young couple that nobody knows, not even him, holds up their 40 day old baby and says the Messiah. I'm like, okay, why does he get it? Why do the Pharisees miss it? Because the Bible says he was righteous. Which means what? He acted out of a constitutionally just character. He was devout. What does that mean? He took the word of God seriously. And this is the big one. He was eagerly anticipating the coming of Messiah. Now think about engagement. I'm engaged. What am I doing? Eagerly waiting. Do you know what? I don't care what a girl looked like. I don't care how popular she was. When Lisa's up in Indiana, I'm not going for. I mean, she tries to flirt with me, which done didn't happen. Very much. Okay. I'm not going to give her two minutes. I'm not going to give her a second because I am so excited about this girl I'm going to marry that I still love. I love her more than the day I married her. It kept my eyes on the right thing. Preparing to be a husband, preparing for the big day. So the interesting statement in Scripture, and I'm going to read this straight from Scripture, because this is just amazing. John, the apostle who saw the revelation of Jesus Christ, so he writes the whole last book of the Bible, everything that's going to happen in the seven tribulation, seven year tribulation and after, Right?
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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John Bevere
He writes this when he's in his 90s and when this is first John 3, 2. When Jesus Christ appears, we will see him as he really is. And all who have now listen this. And all who have this eager expectation will purify themselves even as he is pure. All of a sudden I saw the power of eager expectation.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
To walk a godly life. On the converse, Jesus talks all about the second coming. It says, the servant that says, my Lord delays is coming. In other words, you put it off, begins to get much more fleshly, take advantage of his fellow servants and get drunk and party. In other words, he yields to the dictates of the flesh. So the second coming, what I noticed, it causes us to purify ourselves, make ourselves ready. So we're ready for our bridegroom. Can you imagine? I flew up after two months and the church looks just like the church does than any other Sunday. And when Lisa shows up at the back door, her dress is filthy. It's an average dress. It's got dirt stains on it. It's got grime on it. Her hair is not made up, no makeup. What would that say? To me, this day is not very important to her. It might be right now at the moment, but she didn't prepare for it. So this is why I can't emphasize enough. The bride has made herself ready. This message is to help all of us be ready for our bridegroom when he appears.
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Jenny Ertin
The wording is really interesting. The eagerly anticipating and how you're relating to this with the baby Jesus and also with the second coming. And then there's a preparation on the other side, like he goes to prepare a place for us. And so that really is beautiful, hopeful wording. I think. I wonder if. And I think you could really speak to this. I wonder if part of the avoidance. Because there's a lot of avoidance, partially because of all the things that you said were, with the first coming, like ambiguity and there's division and you. And there's fear. You know, there was fear. King Herod had a lot of fear. Like, he doesn't want to be shown up, right? There's just a lot of fear. I don't know if that's even true. I throw it out there. That's kind of what I think. But I, you know, there's just a lot of fear. So there's fear here. And people don't really. I mean, you said that, you know, that people are like, I. I haven't even read Revelation. I'm scared of it. It's confusing. But there is a verse right off the bat that says, and you put this in the book, the king is coming. God blesses the one who reads the word of this prophecy to the church, and he blesses all who listen to its message and obey what it says, for the time is near. That's Revelation 1:3. So three verses in. I mean, that's just like a couple sentences into Revelation that there's blessing here. So I wonder if part of it, John, has to do with an inaccurate view of eternity. So, I mean, obviously people are struggling, but also people like their life, right? It's like, oh, we got relationships and we play cards and we go on hikes and we eat these meals together and. And we work and, you know, we have goals. And there. I think then there's sometimes like, well, when I get to heaven, I'm just going to be a white angel with a white harp sitting on a white cloud. I don't really want to do that. And so maybe we partially avoid this subject because we don't have a good understanding of eternity.
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John Bevere
I'm so glad you brought this up. It's comical. People that think like that have allowed Hollywood to frame their image of what eternity is going to look like. Now, let me just ask everybody that even remotely thinks like that. Do you think what created this world is going to be more boring than this world? I mean, it's like, really. I mean, all the wonderful things we have in this life will have an eternity plus tons more. There will be development. There will be building cities. There will be activities. There will be great, great parties. There will be the finest meats, the best aged wines that will be served. There will be banquets. There will be feastings. There will be pleasurable things to do. There will be innovative to do. There will be books being written. There will be messages being preached. There will be buildings erected and. And communities planned out. It's going to be amazing. Plus the fact, you know what the Bible says? The Bible says God didn't put the world to come in charge. He didn't put angels in charge of the world to come. He put us in charge. So in charge means what? This thing has to be run. If you look at Paul, he writes, he says, we're going to judge angels. Can you imagine that? He said, we're going to judge this world. Can you imagine that? Can you imagine being on a vision board with Jesus talking about how are we going to develop this one particular galaxy? I mean, it's gonna be amazing.
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Jenny Ertin
Okay, I'm gonna read what you wrote. That's in the book. Most people haven't spent the time to investigate and contemplate the ages to come. There are believers who are concerned. They're not going to like it. They're not going to like the eternal state as much as this present life. Many imagine us being transformed into some sort of ethereal beings and living in a world without substance and void of anything exciting to do. They imagine we'll be all part of a non stop church or worship service. Oh, how far that is from the truth. There will still be recreation, adventure, creativity, development, expansion, innovation, the arts, or any other exciting aspect of this life. There will be so much to do throughout eternity. We will never be bored.
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Jenny Ertin
so if you have an understanding there, which is really important, then I think you can not stick your head in the stand so much and
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Jenny Ertin
The king is coming and start to prepare. And this is different from what you talked about, where some people who think they know when the exact date is like you were talking about like 1988. People are like, it's gonna happen. And they prepared in a way that was sort of antithetical to good living, which is like running up credit card bills and quitting their job. And in doing these things that actually are kind of irresponsible. So can you talk about. There's a juxtaposition there between, between basically you use the word lazy, but I've kind of just like letting everything go and oh, I want to. This is what you wrote. We should plan and work as if he is not returning for 200 years. However, we should live as if he's returning today. What does that look like?
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John Bevere
So absolutely, Jesus said, occupy until I return. Which occupy means keep advancing in life the kingdom of God. However, I, I look at it like this. People running up their credit cards, quitting their jobs, that's the very antithesis of what this message should produce. Now let's think about it. A Guy's running a 5k race, right? A 5k race is what, 5000 meters? When he gets to the final 100 meters and he sees the finish line, he runs as fast as he's run the entire race, right? A football team that's down 10 points at half comes out and plays basically the same way. They're down 10 points with five minutes left because they see the clock. They, they are in a hustle up mode. They're in a hurry up mode. They don't huddle anymore and they actually play better, which really upsets me a lot of times. So when this message is properly heard and properly taught, it creates a greater urgency because think about it in the Light of the wedding, we're 10 days. Let's say we're 10 days out from the wedding. Lisa's had four months to plan, right? But she's got a lot of things still left to do. Does she sleep in? Does she skip meetings? Does she quit planning because she thinks, well, you know what? It won't be done. So I'm just gonna plan. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do it. Like, oh, well, be. Just whatever it is, it is on wedding day. No, she. I remember when I flew up 10 days before the wedding, she was running errands like crazy. She was like, just come with me. Come with me. And I'm like, yes, ma'. Am. Yes, ma'.
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John Bevere
Carry this, carry that. We got to go do this. We got to go do that. I'm like, okay. And because she was. She wanted to be ready. She wanted this day to be beautiful. Jesus has already said, I go to prepare a place for you. Jesus already planned. His father has planned a wedding banquet. Like there's never ever been a party. Like there has never been ever before. And it's for us. It's for his son's bride. And let me tell you something. We have our part to prepare. He has his part to prepare. And I'm going to tell you, what he's doing is so much more greater than the little we're asked to do.
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Jenny Ertin
Yes. So you want to live as if he's returning today, but plan and work. You want to occupy. So that's what you talk about in the book. Let's talk about the tribulation here, just briefly.
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John Bevere
You.
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Jenny Ertin
I actually didn't know this, John, that the word rapture itself. And you say this is a trigger word, which I would agree it is. Okay. Can you say, look, even I don't totally agree with my wife. Like, we. We don't. You know, it's. There's ambiguity here. And you talk about, like, are we going to be caught up in the air or on a mountain? I was like, I've never even heard of the moun part. But the. The word rapture is not even in the English Bible.
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John Bevere
Right.
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Jenny Ertin
It's in the Latin. It's in the Latin.
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John Bevere
It's in the Latin Bible. Raptor, mirror. So our. Our Greek word is in our English Bible. The Greek word is harpazo. When Jerome, in 390, he spent 23 years translating the New Testament from Greek to Latin, and it was so respected that. That it's called the Latin vulgate. It was used for a Thousand years to translate into other languages. The word he used for the Greek word harpazo was raptomir, which is where we get our English word rapture from. But Trinity's not in the Bible yet. Why does it, why is that not a trigger word? Okay, rapture. People get upset because they've seen the laziness that some have displayed and along it, they see it as escape mentality. It's not an escape thing. It's a bride and a groom being united on their wedding day.
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Jenny Ertin
And you know, I mean, because there's some fear around it, you know, I, I think it can be a trigger word because of that. You're like the trumpet sound. I mean, I don't know, I like, have you ever had a point in your life where you're like, you think people are supposed to be around and then they're not. You're like, did I get left behind? That's like that whole book series about it. So anyway, you do go through the book. People are interested in reading more and learning more. You really go in depth here. You say you hesitate to address this topic due to the concert, the concern of possible division. However, you go into the post tribulation view, right? It's you know, like this rates awkward but possible. You know, talking about different things there. You know, really studying in depth that view. And then the mid tribulation view, which is that you say, I don't, you're like, I don't even see this in the scripture. I don't know where this is coming from. And then you give seven reasons why you personally believe that this catching away happens pre tribulation. And there's seven reasons there. So if, if you're interested in learning more based off of this Revelation 1:3, God blesses those who reads these words, a prophecy to the church, and blesses all those who listen to this message. The time is near. You're going to learn a lot. I mean you go through like in the day of Noah. Let's pick one of the seven. I liked this. You're like, God spared Noah.
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John Bevere
Yeah. He spared lot. Yeah. And, and, and those are the only two things that are used to compare to the last days. I think my favorite one though is Isaiah saying that God's going to raise the people, the saints from their graves. He writes this in Isaiah 26, the last three verses. And he said, when God's going to do it is just before his wrath is poured out. So in other words, Isaiah got the revelation from God that the saints bodies that are dead in the earth are going to come out of the earth. God's going to raise them up and they're going to go to their chambers. Now the question becomes, what's their chamber? Well, God's not going to raise up all the Old Testament saints, the, the New Testament saints that have died in Christ and have them live on the earth hiding for seven years while the wrath of God's being poured out on the earth earth. They're going to heaven with Jesus. They're going to meet him in the clouds. Now, what Isaiah didn't get is the mystery that Paul got. And Paul said in the same atomic second, the same split second, when those dead in Christ are raised, we who are alive and remain on the earth are going to be caught up together with them. So unless the Lord's going to have dead people walking around in their resurrected bodies for seven years during the tribulation, that means if we go at the same time, the revelation that God gave Paul is, hey, we are alive. We get caught up together with them. And so I absolutely cannot fathom how it could be a post or a mid tribulation. Because if you look, you know, some people say, well, the real, real heavy wrath is poured out in the last three and a half years. This is the people that build a case for the mid tribulation.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
I'm like, wait a minute. The first, the first couple seals that are broken, 2 billion people are killed. This judgment starts at the beginning of the seven years, sometime in the first three and a half years. So that's part of God's wrath. And so we know dead people aren't going to be here trying to avoid it that have been resurrected. So I'm like, I don't know how you can believe mid or post when you read Isaiah and Paul's words together. To me, that's the most convincing. And, and you know what's really cool? I never saw that my entire life. I never heard anybody preach it. It took the Holy Spirit three days to get that through to me. I kept wrestling. I'm like, lord, why do you keep drawing me to Isaiah 26? Okay, yeah, yeah, I see that. I see that. And then all of a sudden, Paul said, I show you a mystery. And I went, Paul had the revelation. Isaiah didn't have. Oh my gosh, they go together. And that's, I, I, I came unglued with excitement that day. But there are, there's seven. There's seven reasons. And, and again, these are spoken to comfort everybody.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
Not to give people ammo to argue with their friends. Like, I have close friends who believe in post and they're still my close friends.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
And we just laugh at each other and go, okay, we don't agree either. You know, either. We're gonna rejoice.
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Jenny Ertin
I hope I'm right.
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John Bevere
I'm not even gonna say I told you so. I'm not doing it. Okay.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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Jenny Ertin
I heard this guy say one time that for the main tenant of scripture, which is that you're saved by grace through faith, not by works. Works. He said you contend with that like that, that there's no deviation from that. But he said for everything else, you don't be contentious.
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John Bevere
Yeah.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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John Bevere
And this is not a major in the sense of this is not something divide over. And the fact that people divide over it is really heartbreaking. I believe to Jesus it is to me. And believe me, I respect you. And you may have very, very good reasons of why you believe it's going to happen all at the same time. At the end of the day, I respect that so much. So I wrote these words to comfort people that were not appointed to God's wrath. Tribulation is the world's wrath against Christians. The tribulation is God's wrath against a sinful world. And it is so clear we're not appointed to wrath. And just as God delivered Noah, just as God delivered a lot, he's going to deliver his people.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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Jenny Ertin
The book is called the King is Coming. A fantastic one to read.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
Talk about the break in story.
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Jenny Ertin
So this is another thing that goes along with, you know, watch.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
You got to be watchful.
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Jenny Ertin
You don't know the hour. The Lord is coming. And you had a situation where you're away with a couple of your kids and a couple of your kids who are adults are home. But someone breaks in, they broke into
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John Bevere
our home, stole thousands of dollars. I think it was about $20,000 worth of stuff. And my oldest son was home and my third born son was down the street with a friend spending the night. That friend is still a friend to this very day. He was his best man in his wedding. And. And my son thought it was my third born son that came in. It was actually the thieves, they were making a lot of noise because they'd been casing our house. And Jesus makes the statement, if the owner would have known the hour the thief was going to break in, he would have watched. And Jesus says three times to us in Mark 13, in just, I think it's two or three verses he says, watch three times, which means stay alert. Know that your master's going to come in an hour. You don't expect and be ready. So watch means I'm ready. I'm, you know, so. So it all goes back to the ancient Jewish wedding. When Jesus said, I'm going to prepare a place for you, the groom, they would, they would get betrothed and the groom would go back to his father's house, build a room for he and his new bride. And when they're betrothed, they're literally married. So right now we are literally married to Jesus right now. But the groom and the bride were separated and she would go through a baptism. Then she would pack her trunk and she would make her wedding dress. And is it interesting, it says the bride has made herself ready. And what it talks about is to her it was granted fine linen, clean and bright. For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. God tells us how to make our wedding garment. It's our obedient works that we do to glorify his name. And I would contend that there's a lot of people that don't even have enough material for a bikini, let alone a wedding dress right now. But that's. We are making our wedding dress. And it's like I said, I didn't want to see my wife show up at the back door with some little mini skirt on with because she didn't have enough material. And I know we buy dresses in the last 150 years, but they always before that made their dresses. And what happens is that groom doesn't know when he's supposed to go get his bride. It's not until his dad says, go get her, that he goes in the middle of the night and they come in blowing shofar horns. His groomsmen, they got a torchlight possession and he snatches her out of her home. Harpazo, raptomir, rapture. He pulls her away, brings her back, they consummate the marriage. He gives the bloody sheet to his best man. Everybody has a party for seven days while the bride and groom are alone in the chupa, which is the room he built off his father's house. They just get, get to have a loving seven days together, right? And then he brings her out unveiled and presents her before everybody at the end of seven days. How fit sitting. Jesus is returning with ten thousands of his saints. That's his bride. And he's gonna. It says, when Christ is revealed, we will be revealed and we shall be like him. And we Will share in his glory. My gosh, I'm getting so excited right now. Look what we. But the way some people say it. And I. I don't want to be. I don't want to be. What do I. Contentious. They think God is going to beat up his bride in the tribulation where literally billions of people are going to be killed.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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John Bevere
And then he's going to say, let's go have dinner. Let's have a feast after I. After. After we've been beat up. I mean.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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Jenny Ertin
It doesn't make any sense.
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John Bevere
It doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah. Yeah. And all of this you talk about, which I think is really important because obviously wedding ceremonies are so different. I mean, even that one piece where it's like you just go, go and buy your dress. I mean, you can get it probably on Amazon now. You know, it'll come tomorrow, 7am to 11am like, it's completely different. And so you go through this in the King is Coming, you talk about how the wedding ceremonies were completely different. Once again, this. Com. This is such a great companion to
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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Jenny Ertin
There's a similar format with the five Ps and like a plan to read through it. And. And so you say there's 45 million people in the US who stop praying from the year 2010 to 2020. In just 10 years. Years. Changes are happening so. Happening so fast, John. You know, like when you read statistics, you're like, oh, my goodness, in 10 years or 20 years, just so many changes in culture. Can you talk to the person who stopped praying? Why. Why do you think that 45 million people stop praying?
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John Bevere
That. That is a really good question. And I'm going to tell you what my honest opinion is. Yeah, they. They lack the presence of God. Prayer is rich because of his presence. Now, don't get me wrong, I'll pray if I don't feel his presence. But when he. When he comes and manifests himself, there's nothing in this world better. Nothing. And God makes the statement that I won't manifest myself to those who don't pursue holiness. So living a godly life is important to being in the manifest presence of Jesus. If I'm. If I'm married to Lisa and I'm sleeping with a few other women, I may not lose my marriage right away. This is horrifying to even think I may not lose my marriage right away, but what I'm going to lose is my intimacy. She won't let me sleep in the bedroom anymore. I'm not going to be in proximity with her because she doesn't. Frankly, she's so disgusted, she doesn't want to be around me. Not. I'm not saying Jesus is disgusted, but what I'm saying is God withdraws his manifest presence. If you look at what Jesus said, he said, those who have my commandments and keep them, and God's given us the grace to keep them, are those who I will love and manifest myself. I will make myself be clearly seen. And so it's so interesting to me. Hebrews says, pursue holiness, without which no man will see the Lord. Yet the first thing we're told in Revelation 1:7 is, behold, he comes in the clouds, clouds. And every eye will see him. So if no one's going to see the Lord, what is he talking about? Because Revelation 1:7 says everybody's going to see him, even those who pierced him. I've been under 13 presidents of the United States. They've been my leaders. Their decisions have affected my life, but I've never seen one. I've never been in the presence of a United States president. There are Christians, they're under the lordship of Jesus. His decisions affect their lives, but they're not in his presence. They're not seeing him because they're not chasing after holiness. And so I believe what happened is those 45 million went to churches. If you'll remember, back in the late 1990s, early 2000s, we started making our churches into wonderful atmospheres. We started being really relevant. We were putting, you know, we were putting coffee bars and everything. We were creating great smoke machines, everything. Right? Yeah. And people were loving the atmosphere, but they weren't experiencing the presence. And then when they went in their prayer closet, they weren't experiencing the presence because they weren't being taught to pursue a godly life so they could walk with Jesus. So what happened is, I believe it just all these people that came in off of great atmospheres and inspiring teachings, and hearing the Beatles song played as the first song of worship, which literally happens right in the 19, early 2000s, they go,
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
this, this.
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John Bevere
There's no difference between me and the world. Why am I doing all this? Why am I wasting my time? So the wonderful news is, since 2022, there's been a revival because now Bible sales are up, merchandise is up, and young men especially are so hungry for the things of God. And they're not hungry to make good atmospheres. They're hungry to preach the gospel. And they're all over YouTube right now, these young men and young women, they're, like, tearing it up, and I'm so proud of them. Right. And so there's been, like, a revival because these guys saw. They saw the emptiness of just creating an atmosphere. I mean, Hollywood. God told me when I was a youth pastor in Orlando, he said, if you try to win the youth with your activities and making things fun, you'll lose because Mickey Mouse will beat you. That's what he said to me. And I realized, he said, son, you preach, pray, and worship. Our youth group grew three times the size in one year.
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Jenny Ertin
Year.
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
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John Bevere
And many of those youth ended up in ministry. So, you know, I mean, when you. When you really lead somebody to Jesus, you want to make sure you're leading them to the presence of God.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah. And so this is a book about getting ready. And so there is going to be a lot in this one for you. The King is Coming. You have so many things going on. The 25 books people can check out. You have three podcasts, the John Bevere podcast, then one with you and Lisa called Conversations, then one with your family, and you've got your sons who have worked for you. And I think that that's wonderful. We're always talking about the new thing, like the family economy and creating opportunities for our kids. So that one's called At Home with the Bevere Family. That's podcast number three. You have lots of free courses on your website. I'll put a link. Tell us about the Messenger X app.
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John Bevere
Oh, that is amazing. We've put over $40 million in that. I mean, our partners have invested heavily in this. Basically, we built a discipleship app that has courses, books, audio books. It has podcasts, it has stuff for children. It has for everything. We've got teachers on there that teach on relationship. We've got health coaches like Jordan Rubin and Dr. Axe. And it is totally free. So millions of millions of people have downloaded this app in 243 nations of the world. We get anywhere from 1500 to 24,000 people every single day downloading it fresh. And basically, you just go to the App Store. Or if you got an Android, you go to Google Play and you type in Messenger X. Now put no space between the R and the X and it'll bring you right to it. And it's absolutely free.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah. So much that you offer. So I'll make sure everybody knows where to go. And you've got cool merch. John, this has been such an honor. The book is called the king is coming 25th book. It's time to prepare for the return of Christ. Also the awe of God. If we could wrap it up with a little message for kids that are listening with the parents. In the awe of God. Now, these both have similar formats. These books do. And I love that you talk about. You're like, here's a good reading schedule. These are bite sized pieces, but it's not a devotional. You're like, here's a way to kind of go through these books. Similar format. In the awe of God, you talk about our value. So I. You always hear the verse that God knows the number of hairs on your head, but I didn't know how many hairs people had on their head. I've never even thought to like, look, God's thoughts about you outnumber every grain of sand on the planet. Can you talk to the listener about their value?
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John Bevere
Okay, so I really love Lisa, but if I added up all my thoughts that I've had about her in 44 years of marriage, I don't think I get a shoebox full of sand. God cannot exaggerate. He said, my thoughts that I have about you individually, whoever's listening to us outnumber every grain of sand that's on this planet. Planet. Now remember, God can't exaggerate, otherwise he's a liar. So you don't think a lot about somebody you don't want to be close to. This is what caused the angels, the mighty angels to be in awe. They looked at this awesome God and they looked at mortal man. They said, what is that? They said it two times in the scripture. What is that? That you're so mindful of him, that you think about him constantly. You think about her constantly. So I remember the Lord making this statement to me. He said, if your value to me was $0.01 less than Jesus Christ himself, I would not have sent him for you. The fact that I, because God doesn't make a bad business deal. What is a bad business deal? You give something of greater value for something of less value. So Jesus makes the statement in the final prayer. He said, father, show them that you love them as much as you love me. Mind blowing. And this is what causes the angels to be in awe is how important and valuable you are, Jenny. And every one of your listeners are to Almighty God. It is an amazing gospel we carry. And I will say it's interesting. And by the way you keep holding up the King Is Coming. It's going to be a hardback book, just like the Awe of God. That's actually advanced reading. Copy. Because Jenny's so popular with our publishers. They love her. Harper Collins just loves Jenny. But anyway, Jenny, I want to emphasize what Jenny said. Every chapter is bite size. You can read the chapter in 10 minutes then. And this is because I know people are so busy. Then we have a four to six minute video free. Like you just hit the QR code in and. And you have 28 four to six minute videos for the 28 chapters. And if you think about it, 28 days is four weeks. And I group the chapters in four sets of seven chapters each. So it's a 28 day book. And it's easy to read because I always, I prayed, I said, God, use my hatred of English, which I don't hate anymore, to make it easy to read for the 8th grader, but also in a way that it won't insult the PhD. And that's the way I've prayed that God would give me his messages. And they are his messages. That's why my name's on that book. That book, my name is on it because I was just the first guy to get to read it. It's a message from God to his children.
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Jenny Ertin
And you can do this in community. What you talk about, you know, the video curriculum, you could do with community with your friends. So fantastic ideas and something that's obviously a really important topic that's not talked about very much. John, we always end our show with the same question. What's a favorite memory from your childhood?
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Podcast Sponsor/Host
That was outside.
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John Bevere
It was outside.
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Jenny Ertin
Yeah.
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John Bevere
Sailing with my dad. Yeah, my dad loved to sail. I was. I took two years of sailing school. So White Lake connects right into Lake Michigan. And my dad was a very quiet World War II vet, but he seemed to come alive on the water. And that was always so fun. Fun.
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Jenny Ertin
That's beautiful. John, thanks so much for being here.
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John Bevere
You're a phenomenal interviewer. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. I just am so, so happy I got to be on with you. Thank you. God bless.