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1KHO 753: Against All Odds | Christine Caine, The Faith to Flourish
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Jenny Urge
Welcome to the 1000 Hours Outside podcast. My name is Jenny Urge. I'm the founder of 1000 Hours Outside. And honestly, I can't even hardly believe it. Christine Kane is here.
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Christine Kane
Welcome, Jenny. I'm so okay. You're already my kind of woman. You are so pumped up.
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Jenny Urge
I'm so pumped up. I mean, I've seen you speak on all these different stuff stages and then I had the opportunity to read your newest book which came out recently. It's called the Faith to Flourish. God's Design for Rooted, Resilient and Fruitful Life. And I love this book. I love it so much because it's so in depth about one really one particular type of tree and how many lessons spiritual, but also just about life that we can learn from this one particular tree. So I would love if you would just give us a little bit of the background story here that you're visiting the Parthenon. You know, you're from this big Greek family and everyone's loud and you're at the Parthenon and everyone's listening to the guide and you're just noticing this one lone olive tree and it like it ends up becoming the Basis for this incredible path of study and this book, the Faith to Flourish.
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Christine Kane
Absolutely. Well, you know, I mean, I've been to the Parthenon so much. You know, Jenny, My husband and I run an organization where we help to rescue the victims of human trafficking. And so I was taking a team through, through our office in Athens, went to the Parthenon. I've been there so many times. I'm Greek. My big fat Greek wedding. That's my big fat Greek life. We have Windex in every room of the house. You know, that's our kind of life. And so I'm. But as I'm standing there, this was during a heat wave in Athens so bad, and there had been fires, so there was so much barrenness. And when you're standing, if anyone's ever been to the top of the Parthenon, there's nothing there except for the Parthenon, because it's so hot, it's so high. And there's this one olive tree. I mean, and it was in full bloom, and it was blooming green. I mean, it was beautiful. And of course, you know, I'm so Greek. I grew up on olive oil instead of milk in my bottle. I was like, you know, we grew up eating olives and olive tapenade and, you know, all the things. But what really grabbed me, and I think the Lord often does this. In my quiet time, I had been reading Psalm 52. And, you know, in Psalm 52, David is being chased by Saul. He's in a very dark place. Place he's been betrayed, lied about. You know, just so much darkness happening around him, so much chaos. And yet in that cave, before he's ever set free, before he's ever sort of becomes king, he says, but I am like a green of some.52, verse 8. I am like a green olive tree flourishing in the house of God. And I'm sitting there, and of course, that's how the Lord works. You know, I'm reading that in the Bible in the morning, and then a few hours later, I'm standing in front of a green olive tree, and I'm like, wow. But it really struck me. I thought, there's nothing else alive up here, and yet there's the same external conditions, the same heat, the same soil, the same everything. Why is nothing else thriving and this is thriving? And it really led me on a study. And how would I know after 30 years of being in the Word of God, that There are over 200 references in scripture to olive tree, olive oil, olive branches, you know, all of that olives, it's. And I thought, wow, of all the trees. Because of course, the Bible talks about so many trees. Why did God really focus in on this one? And I'm talking about very significant things like when the flood receded, there's an olive leaf that the dove brings to show this life. When we as Gentiles were grafted into the body, into, you know, the church, in the family of God, it was an olive branch. And I'm like, whoa, these are deep theological things. And also it's all the olive tree. So I guess it set me on a two year journey where I went to eight countries, visited olive farms, the owners of olive farms, you know, in Morocco, in Peru, in Italy, in Spain, everyone's going, I wish I could write a book, you know, all of these countries, and learned more about olives and olive trees than any human needs to know. And if I ever stop doing what I'm doing, you're going to find me on an olive farm in the back of somewhere in Greece, you know, growing olive trees, because I have fallen in love with the olive tree.
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Jenny Urge
I loved this book. I mean, I just thought I. I had no idea either. I had no idea. Well, first of all, even how many times trees are brought up in the Bible, you said beyond. I've got so many notes because this is such a great book. Other than God and people, the Bible mentions trees more than any other living thing. Every significant theological event is marked by a tree or some part of a tree. It is the most used metaphor in scripture. More than 1,000 tree texts are used
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Interviewer / Co-host
to illustrate life and growth, testing and decision making, connecting to God and our eternal life.
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Jenny Urge
And then you say, but the one that's mentioned the most is the olive
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Interviewer / Co-host
tree, when you include all of its derivatives like oil and things like that.
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Jenny Urge
So I had no idea.
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Christine Kane
I know.
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Jenny Urge
I mean, I grew up going to church too, you know, and never really considered. And I just thought. I loved how you talked about, like this one lone tree. And it's dry, but it is still blooming and thriving.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
We were able to go on this
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Jenny Urge
rafting trip down a river, actually is where I met Levi Lusko. We were both in Moab, Utah at the same time, just randomly, and went on this Hummer tour together. But, like, didn't know each other. I was there with my kid and he was there with a kid and we were on this Hummer tour. And then at the top of it, people were like, well, where are you from? What do you do? And he said, well, I'm an author. I wrote this book about the moon. I was like, well, I have a podcast about getting kids outside, so isn't that wild? So we connected there. But then I end up going on this rafting trip, and you're in the desert and there's no. There's nothing. It's just rocks everywhere.
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Interviewer / Co-host
But along the river were these trees.
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Jenny Urge
I mean, it struck me every single time, Christine, the flourishing of these trees. And every single time I was like,
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Interviewer / Co-host
I mean, I took so many pictures, there's another one.
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Jenny Urge
And this is what God says when he's like, you know, you'll be planted by streams of water and you'll flourish in season and out in.
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Interviewer / Co-host
I just wonder, Christine, I think, like,
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Jenny Urge
I love this book so much because
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Interviewer / Co-host
it just gives you a reminder that you have to see it.
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Christine Kane
Totally. Totally.
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Jenny Urge
We live in an embodied world.
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Christine Kane
Yes. And we're meant to get outside and see it. And when you do, you go, oh, there's a reason why the Lord uses this in scripture. Because the spiritual parallels actually in the world that we're living in. Jenny, that's just so out of control. It's so out of control. If we don't get outside and understand why so much of scripture refers to outside, we're not going to get. We're going to actually languish. I mean, I've got a whole chapter in there because this is. A lot of reasons sparked me writing this book. But I, you know, because we have. We provide programs for rescuing victims of trafficking in 22 countries. I get to travel all the time, but it didn't matter where I went. I would meet believers everywhere, on every continent that were, like, languishing, you know, just really, like, couldn't get their mojo back. Were sort of going maybe through their religious motions, but so certainly not flourishing. And I'm sitting there thinking, okay, right from the beginning in Genesis chapter one, when we were created in the image of God, male and female, he made us in his image. He said, you know, go forth, be fruitful, multiply, flourish. Like, be fruitful and multiply. That's what we're supposed to do. Genesis, chapter one, right at the beginning, okay? So the fall happens. There's a tree in the fall that causes the fall. So you could go right in the garden. There's trees, okay? And then. But Jesus came and he said in John 10:10 that the enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. We're seeing that all over the world. But I came that you might have life and life more. And in the Greek, that abundant Life. This is my Greek coming out. Zoe perisos Zoe. Abundant life means a flourishing life. So you go, okay, why are we languishing? As Christians, I know the world's tough, but we should be responding a little bit differently to the world because we're supposed to be connected to a different root system. Therefore, what you see above the ground, even though we're in the same world, we've got the same craziness happening as everyone else. There should be something that people look at our lives and go, why are they flourishing? And I'm languishing? And what stirred me to write the book was I felt like that's why I called it the Faith to Flourish. I'm like, yo, we need the faith to flourish again. Because I think what has happened is maybe the spirit of the world has just made us languish. We've just been on our phones too much that we're just sitting there, and that is infiltrating our minds so much, we forgot to get back out. And that's why every chapter. And I think, this probably. This is why you loved it. You know, I'm in a different part of the world. Walking outside, hiking in Italy with olive trees everywhere. You know, hiking in this everywhere. I'm saying, listen, I'm walking out here, and there's nothing else alive. Nothing should be living here. And yet I'm in the middle of a olive grove. I'm in the middle of flourishing olive trees. I'm seeing all this beauty. And this is what we're supposed to look like. Like, wherever we go in the world, people look and go, oh, wow, why are you producing fruit? Why do you have this beautiful countenance and flowers? And why is there this fresh, rich oil coming out of your life? And that's where we can really testify to the greatness of God. Because, of course, it's got nothing to do with us and everything to do with the root system we're connected to.
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Jenny Urge
Yes, I loved the phrasing. Against all odds, here's this tree that's
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Interviewer / Co-host
baking in the hot sun and surrounded by nothing but ancient ruins, and yet it was flourishing.
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Jenny Urge
And you talk about sometimes these trees get diseased, but it's never the end for you that these trees, they live so long. And you talk about how there's always redemption and there's always things that can happen. So I would love to talk about some of the spiritual truths that you have interwoven with these olive trees. I just loved it. I was like. It was thing after thing after thing. Christine so one of them. And it just goes to show the importance of getting our kids outside and talking about, you know, you talk in
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
the book about the parable of the
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Interviewer / Co-host
seeds in the soil and the importance of.
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Jenny Urge
Is your heart receptive to the truths
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Interviewer / Co-host
that are coming into your life?
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Jenny Urge
So one of the ones that you talked about, actually, that I am not
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Interviewer / Co-host
familiar with, I know the word, but have zero, zero experience with it, is grafting.
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Christine Kane
Yes.
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Jenny Urge
So you say, even yourself. You said, okay, I can understand being rooted and having deep roots, but I
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Interviewer / Co-host
think a lot of people do not have experience with grafting.
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Jenny Urge
Can you talk about what it is
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Interviewer / Co-host
and why it's crit to understand?
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Christine Kane
Yeah, I think that's a great question. And you know, for me, this is very personal because I had a big ski accident in Colorado a few years ago, and I snapped my acl, tore my mcl, tore my meniscus, tore my. Fractured my knee. I did it all. And then I flew back to Australia and I had to have a hamstring graft. And so here you have in. They took a tendon out of one leg and they placed it into the other leg. And then that graft made actually my right knee. That was not able. I mean, it was totally ruined. My right knee then became actually stronger than my left knee because that's what the hamstring graft does. Because that tendon got grafted in. It came from one place to another. And this is what I really wanted people to understand. Because sometimes, I mean, we read, you know, scriptures in Romans and it gets really complicated. We go, what does it mean that I've been grafted into the body and that I was this kind of branch that was dying, and now I'm this kind. Okay, So I try, of course, I'm always going to try to speak to the normal people, because I'm just a normal person. And I'm like, okay, what does it mean? Because with an olive tree, you know when it's dying and you want to graft those branches that are dying into a living, living branch and a living tree, or you take the living one and put it into the dying one, is suddenly something that was about to die, comes to life because it's now being grafted into something healthy. And I wanted to remind the body. And listen, our entire faith is based on the fact that we've been grafted in to the family of God. Like we were once exiles. We were out. We were, you know, the tree that was dying. And then the Lord said, you know what? I am actually going to graft you into my family. And when you graft it, it's like my hamstring. You're actually stronger than you ever were before because you now have, you know, the supply. Basically, we are in Christ Jesus, seated at the right hand of the Father. We have access to every spiritual blessing. So I'm going, guys, I know the world's crazy. Could we get our eyes off the world and remember what we've been grafted into and realize that in Christ, firstly, all the promises of God are in Christ Jesus? Yes, and amen. Secondly, we have access to every spiritual blessing that's ours in Christ Jesus. And I think what happens is when you forget your source and when you forget what you've been grafted into, you forget that you're actually more resilient than you you thought. Because now it's same as my knee. Had my knee, had I just been sitting on that mountain, they took me down, basically put me in a cask and I would never be able to function properly again. It would always be weak. I would always trip over. I couldn't go hiking again, I couldn't go skiing again. But because I had the graft, the knee is so strong now. So I wanted to remind people, actually, you're more resilient than you think. You know, a lot of us, that resilience, we just think I've been beat around. And of course, life, we live in a fallen world. Life beats you up. But. But in Christ, you can get back up because we're not who we were. We are a new creation grafted in. So I did go into some detail. I. But I do want to encourage people. I know the nerd in me did nerd out about grafting. It nerded out about olive trees. But I think, I pray that the Lord gave me a way to, to make it so interesting that even if you never known anything about crafting or that you're going to go, oh, wow, and, and be awakened again to the fact that in Christ, actually I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me. And I, I really, I think in a world where we're languishing, we're feeling like, you know, this is it, it's the apocalypse, it's the end. I'm kind of saying to people, you are stronger than you think. Not because of yourself, but because you're rooted and grounded in Christ and you've been grafted in. Because I think so often we look at our limitations, our own failures, what we've done wrong. And I, you know, Jenny. I had to work through that in my own life. Coming from a background of abuse and abandonment and, you know, I was left in a hospital in Sydney, Australia, unnamed. My birth certificate does not have a name on it. It says child's name, and then next to it is typed in the word unnamed, number 2508 of 1966. So here is this unnamed, unwanted kid that was grafted in to Christ. And today, you know, by the grace of God, that kid that should have been a failure, that should have ended up as a statistic. Truly, you know, people with my kind of background don't normally end up doing what I'm doing yet because of that grafting in and that resilience in Christ, here I am, you know, about to celebrate 30 years married to the most ravishing piece of masculine flesh, flesh on planet Earth, and, you know, two beautiful daughters and a flourishing ministry again. I'm living proof that, you know, you can flourish in Christ.
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Jenny Urge
Yes, it's so beautiful. And it's such a spiritual thing to learn about grafting with your kids. You know, you want to take them to a farm or you want to plant a plum tree. I don't even know plums grow on trees. But, you know, this is a spiritual thing to do with your children.
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You wrote that we are grafted into the family of God.
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Jenny Urge
And because when you become grafted, you fuse together, that's how the process works. Grafting essentially takes two plants and fuses them together to become one. So since you are grafted into the
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Interviewer / Co-host
family of God, there is nothing you can do to get grafted out.
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Christine Kane
Exactly. That's it. That you can't. Like, what do you do? It's, it's happened, we're done. And we are, you know, daughters of the King of kings and the Lord of Lords. And there is, I don't, I do not have the power to ungraft myself. That's it. Like Jesus grafted me in and it's, you know, I think that's a beautiful thing thing, because when you, when you live from the love of God, not for the love of God, it changes, it changes how you flourish. I think a lot of us were on this, you know, kind of hamster wheel trying to earn God's love, trying to do enough good things. And especially as women and moms, you know, you kind of think nothing's ever enough, really. Like, you can go to bed every night feeling like a failure, but when you know you've been grafted in and like, I love my kids, that there's nothing they could do that will make me not love them. There might be some things they do that make me annoyed with them, but it's. I'm never going to not love them. And that's the same with God. Therefore, I think flourishing is a lot easier when it flows from the Love of God, knowing I'm loved rather than trying to earn God's love.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Yeah.
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Jenny Urge
Because we have been grafted into the
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
family of God, he wrote, we are
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Interviewer / Co-host
accepted fully and unconditionally.
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Jenny Urge
So the book is, it really points to the fact that you can teach
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Interviewer / Co-host
your kids so many spiritual lessons through the simple nature that's around us.
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Jenny Urge
Another thing that, that you've talked about in particular with this olive tree is that.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
And I didn't know any of this,
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it grows at a snail's pace.
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Jenny Urge
Yep. Can you talk about this? I love this. You know, the whole concept of growth
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
in itself is like a big part of the book.
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Christine Kane
Yes. Well, yeah, because I think we're living in an Instagram TikTok age where people forget that you actually grow to where you go. We're looking for that viral post to, you know, either be an overnight success or to, to find the answer to this. You know, as we're scrolling and swiping and, and there is nothing in scripture that says anything grows overnight. I always laugh because I think even in scripture, all the suddenlies of God, they all take about 15 to 20 years and people forget that. It's like. And suddenly. And I'm like, yes, honey, it took 20 years for that suddenly to happen. And I always laugh cause I go, you know, my eldest is 24 next month now, Jenny, it does not matter how much I pray, how much I fast, you know, how many prayer meetings I have. It's going to. It took 24 years for my daughter to become 24. I couldn't fast track that process. It took 24 years. And I think the sooner we learn that, and you know, of course I've got the whole chapter about Jesus growing in wisdom. I mean, if the God of the universe had to grow, why he didn't like pop out of Mary's Womb as a 33 year old man. He popped out as a baby. And then it took all of that time to grow. And the truth is the fruit of the Spirit in our life, we think, you know, I come to faith in Christ yesterday and today it's all going to be there. It's like, no, it's in seed form. It's on the inside of you. But it takes time to grow. Anyone that grows anything and it takes, you've got to be resilient. It takes a lot of different conditions, but you still have to go through the process of growing. And I think this is potentially one of the most countercultural messages to the world we live in. And especially because of technology, because of technology, you know, people are sitting in their kitchens and going, siri, tell me this. Or, you know, Alexa, give me the answer to this, right? We just think there's this instant. Like, everything is just like, instant. And the Lord, I think the Lord loves watching things grow. I think he loves watching us grow. You know, just like you plant a tomato plant, you love what you get excited. You know, my daughters, I loved it. And when they tripped over, when they were learning to walk, I wasn't like, scolding them, like, why did you fall over? Like, it's cute. It's fun. It's like, let's get back up. And I think that's how the Lord is. And if a Christian does not realize that. And I think for moms in particular, because every day just can seem so long. And you're like, when will this end? And yet I'm going, God actually delights in the growing process and just let you look and you'll get there. If you're a mom with toddlers right now, you're going to get to my stage. It will happen. And they're 24, and you're like, what happened? Where did it go? And you will do anything to get that stage back of just this cute little, you know, toddler. And it's like all of us. And if you're a mom and you're right in the midst of it, it's hard in that season. It's really hard when they're growing. But I think it's the same as the spirit, spiritual fruit developing in us. And I think I wrote in the book, Ginny, that, you know, there are some varieties of olive trees. It can take literally 10 years between before the first olive. And people would freak out today in 20, 26, people, like, I'm not waiting 10 years, you know, for. And I'm like, honey, that's what it is, is, you know, I'm 60 this year, Ginny, and I'm so excited. I'm celebrating every day. You know, people go, I'm waiting for my birthday. I'm like, no, I've. I'm 60. I'm celebrating 365 days of 60. Now, the truth is that I'm so. And I say my age a lot because I know a lot of women, you know, get really messed up when they get to my age, and they think, is it finished? And I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm producing more beautiful fruit. It's like the olive oil, you know, it's kind of like a fine Wine for the people that are into that. It's, it's the, actually the longer it's taken to grow that olive and when they press that olive for the oil to come, the most beautiful, rich, dense olive oil is the one that olive that's been on the tree that's taken 10 years to grow. And I feel like right now I'm in what would be the most fruitful season of my life. There's no way anything in me thinks, because also, and I use so many scriptures that this, it says, you know, you are going to bear fruit even in old age. Now I'm starting to hit that category in my life and I'm like so many in the anti aging culture that we live in where, you know, women are just like, I'm out to pasture just because the world and social media says that you're done. You know, you've got kids, you've got older, you've got grandkids, you're finished. I'm like, it's the exact opposite. In the kingdom, if you can stay rooted in Christ, you know, hopefully the olives I'm producing now, the fruit is more rich, is more flavorsome, is more dense, is more. And I want to show, I want the young moms watching this to see me and go, oh, you can get to 60 and it's still good. You can get to 60 and Jesus is still awesome and serving him is still awesome. I don't want them to be thinking, if I don't do everything right now, I've missed out or I've had kids, kids. So I'm missing out. You know, so many people think that, they think that I am missing out because we have all these sort of young TikTok influences and we think by the. I talk to women who are in their mid-20s and think that they're finished. And I'm like, Honey, I'm 60 and I feel like I'm just starting. And I really want them. The olive tree teaches us that. And so I really want them to understand that.
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Jenny Urge
What a message. Christine the olive tree grows at a snail's pace. Lots of growth you can't see is happening both underground and above ground. And this is what makes the olive tree strong and start 30. And I love this message about how because it grows so slowly, it makes
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Interviewer / Co-host
it so unique and so beautiful to use.
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Jenny Urge
You say, this is what makes the
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Interviewer / Co-host
olive trees wood so tightly grained and
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Jenny Urge
dense and that that is really appreciated
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Interviewer / Co-host
by those who are woodcrafters. Olive wood is harder than oak used in the Bible.
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Jenny Urge
Today, olive wood is still highly sought
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Interviewer / Co-host
after because of the way that it grows in this slow form.
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Jenny Urge
So you talk about that and that growth is a theme in the Bible. Every living thing in this world starts as a seed. And I talked to Torren Wells one time in his book and he said, I loved this.
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Interviewer / Co-host
He said, there's nothing magnificent about a seed.
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Jenny Urge
I was like, oh, it's so true. Seeds are so boring, most of them. Every once in a while you get a cool sunflower seed or something like that, but for the most part, sometimes you don't even know it's a thing. You know, it looks like a little dot or it could be just garbage age and everything, though.
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Interviewer / Co-host
This is the way that God made it. This slow growth and having patience.
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Jenny Urge
So what a beautiful thing that you can teach your kids about the beautiful
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Interviewer / Co-host
things that come when you have patience.
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Jenny Urge
I'd love to have one more topic
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Interviewer / Co-host
about the tree and how we can help our kids in, in relate to. This is about the variety. So God has given so much variety, and you saw that.
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Jenny Urge
I mean, if you're getting outside, obviously
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Interviewer / Co-host
you're seeing the variety in nature, but in terms of the olive trees, you
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Jenny Urge
said there's 500 varieties. You gave the names of some of these. Atlas, Mammoth, Colossal, Superior, Brilliant, Bullet.
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Interviewer / Co-host
And every size is profitable, desirable, and serves a purpose. What lessons can we take from that to give our kids?
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Christine Kane
I love that, that God makes us all unique in his image. And, you know, in a world that really celebrates one type of, you know, this is what you need to look like to be successful. This is what you need to act like the Lord's like, you know what? I created every one of you individually in my image. That's why amused me that there's so many olive trees. People don't freak out. I did not list all 500 in the book. You're not going to like. I'm just like, they're probably like, what? But I did especially those names that I did highlight because I wanted them to see they're all awesome. Because in God's eyes, they're all awesome. I truly want every person to realize they are uniquely, fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God. And again, and especially with the amount of time our kids are spending online, they have a very fixed image of what beauty, success, value, importance is. And I, I want even to speak to that and say, you know, you have got to be countercultural. We have got to go again against the culture that says, this is what, you know, we live in a $600 billion beauty industry. And, of course, so much of my ministry is with young women. And I watch them getting work done younger and younger, because they're growing up in Filter. They're so. Because of things like TikTok and Instagram, they're learning to change their appearance all the time rather than value who God made them to be. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Everyone's trying to become this kind of image of what the world says is beautiful. And so we have got to teach our children that they are fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God. And again, you know, some of the olive trees, I mean, they are the most weirdest shapes. They are the most craziest designs. I fell in love with all of them. And this is actually what did it for me. Like, I was walking through an olive garden in Peru, and the guy that owned it, and he knew. I mean, this is, like, wild. He knew every tree had a name for every tree. And we would stand there and he would talk about the distinct, like. Like you do about your kids. You know, when you go, this kid's got this. This. I'm going to Nick. Oh, my gosh. I think he thinks they're his children because. But he really did. And I thought, wow, that is how the Lord sees every one of us. I'm sure, like, if we were all, like, in a grove together, he would go, ah, you know, this is Ginny, and da, da, da, da. This is Chris. And. But there's this pride and this joy. And what really did strike me is there is a distinctive about each one. And each one did, you know, produce a distinct fruit. And I thought, the enemy is such a liar because he wants us to feel so devalued that we don't produce the fruit that God has for us to produce that's going to nourish the people in our world. And so I really, really want to encourage people. Be fruitful in the way that God has made you. It's not an accident. It's on purpose.
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Jenny Urge
Yeah. I love this book. You wrote this. Just as there are 500 varieties of
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Interviewer / Co-host
olive trees, each with unique blooms, we are all created uniquely in the image of God to bring forth beauty so
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
people can see the beauty of God.
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Interviewer / Co-host
God, no matter where we're planted, no matter what our vocation or season of life.
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Christine Kane
Yes.
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It's a fantastic book.
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Jenny Urge
The other thing that comes up is
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that a lot, I think is that we feel too broken. Oh yeah, we're too far gone. And you talk about the almost miraculous sort of regeneration that can happen with these trees in particular. And when the sickness shows and you wrote, it's never too late for God to heal your broken heart heart to mend your wounds or revive your heart, even if it feels utterly dead. Some instances may make us feel like we will never recover, but the Lord promises that he is near to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. And you go through this whole list in here, Christine, Even if. Even if you lost your job through no fault of your own, even if you failed your college entrance exam, even if you lost someone you loved all too soon, even if you were passed over for a promotion, even if. And you just have thing after thing after thing. And I would love if you could weave in some of your story. Because like you, you were talking about at the beginning, sometimes things can happen and you could discount yourself before you even begin. And yet these trees show us that against all odds we can thrive.
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Christine Kane
Yeah, I, you know, I'm so tender to people and there is so much pain and suffering in the world. There's, you know, we'd live in a fallen world one day. Jesus Christ. Jesus will return and all things will be Made new, but we're not there yet. And so. And that's really what I wanted to highlight in the book, too, that flourishing doesn't mean there's nothing hard happening around us. In fact, it's the opposite. But. And I hope in my life that at 60, that someone can be encouraged to go. If you can be left in a hospital. I still, to this day, you know, I'm talking to you. I. I don't know who my biological mother and father are.
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Jenny Urge
I don't know how.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Why didn't you learn about it until you were in your 30s?
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Christine Kane
Well, because, you know, I'll tell you how it happened. My brother called me. I was having lunch. He called me. I was two weeks out from my 33rd birthday. I was just about to turn 33. He was 35 at the time. And my younger brother at the time was 30. So we all grew up. My big fat Greek wedding. My big fat Greek family. And, um. So we're all thinking we're obviously at this point, biologically related. There's no reason to think otherwise. Well, plenty of reason. My older brother is 6 foot 5 with curly hair. I'm 5 foot 2 now. It makes sense. But anyway, and so I. He calls me and he's very concerned. He said, christine, I just got a letter from the government in Australia. This department is called the Department of Community Services. We call it docs. He says, said, chris, I've just got a letter from dogs. It says I've been adopted. Now, Ginny, I gotta say, when he first said that, I busted out laughing. Only because, you know, when you're growing up and you're little and you go, we're not related. You're adopted. You know, okay, so it was. And then I went, george, don't be ridiculous. Obviously, there's been an administrative error. DOCS has sent this to the wrong person. And I was really okay. That is so bad. I go call them and tell them they've sent this letter to the wrong person. That's literally what I thought had happened. Anyway, about a quarter of an hour, he called. Later he calls me back. And Jeanne, this time he is sobbing. He goes, chris, he goes, it's true. They told me the name of my biological mother, my biological father, when I was born, when I was immunized, they have a whole file on my life. And he goes, I'm going to go home to mom's house. I'm going to confront my mum. Now, Ginny, my father had died when I was 19, so my mom was home alone. Now, at this point, she's in her 60s. I'm thinking, I don't know if you know anything about Greeks, but we're crazy. So I'm thinking, he's going to go to my mom's house, and I don't know what's going to happen. Like, he's going to blow up. I jump in my car, I drive to my mother's house. I walk into the living room right at the second that my mom is giving. Giving my. That my brother is giving my mom this piece of paper from the government. I saw my mom take it. She read through it. Her whole face changed, and she just started weeping. And she said, george, I am so sorry. The adoption laws in Australia, 35 years ago, they were all closed adoptions, and we never thought that you would find out. And one of the last things I promised your dad is in the hospital bed, was that I would never tell you. And I tore up all of the paperwork and I threw it away. And I mean, Jeanne, it was like. I mean, you have no idea. It was a moment, you know? So it's my. My brother's crying, my, you know, mother's crying, the dog's crying. Like, everyone's crying. So I don't know what to do. So I go, food is the answer to every Greek problem. So I go to the kitchen and I start making some food. And my mum comes in a little while later, and in Greek, you know, we speak in Greek, she said to me, christina, since we're telling the truth today, would you like to know all the truth? And I didn't even know. I turned around.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Were you expecting it at all?
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Christine Kane
No, I turned around. I went. At this moment, though, I said to her, I go, oh, my gosh. I go, I've been adopted, too. And with tears just streaming down her face, she just nodded her head and went, yes. And, Ginny, I was stunned. Like, stunned. And, you know, I didn't say anything for a few minutes, which in and of itself is a miracle greater than the resurrection of Jesus. But anyway, so. But. But I gotta say, the very first thing I said when I spoke, I went, am I still Greek? And that was because I was so persecuted. Persecuted at school for being Greek. I wanted to make sure. But I will tell you this because. And I think this is the power. I hope someone hearing this story. And I pray that the book puts courage and faith into you for this. Because a decade before that, I had come to faith in Christ. And because I was so broken when I came to Jesus, I one of the very first things. Thank God I had a very good mentor that taught me because I had to learn believe so many lies about myself because of the abuse, because of so many things in my life. So they taught me, I mean, this is old school because I'm old to take the truth of God's word, things like I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and write it on a sticker note. And things like I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Because I was so full of shame, Jeanne, I was so full of anger and bitterness. I had to replace the lies with the truth. I had to replace the lies I believed with the truth. Now today, in 2026, you know, we have, we have nice terms like neuroplasticity and neuroscience and we talk about rewiring the brain. I didn't know any of that in the 1980s, 1990s, it was called Memorize the Word of God. I didn't know what I was doing was renewing my mind, you know, and, and, and so because I had been doing that for a decade, this is the power of it. And this is what I want someone to hear listening to this podcast today. My mother, obviously, as anybody could imagine, there's this 35 year old family secret. There's just everything that's going. She is a mess in the kitchen. I grabbed my mother's hands and Ginny, this is what came out of my mouth. As I'm looking at my mom, I go, mum, it's okay, Mum. Because before I was formed in my mother's womb, whose ever womb that was, God knew me. I literally said that. Out I go, God knew me. He knitted together my innermost parts. He fashioned all of my days before as yet there was one of them. And I looked her in the eyes, I went, mum, I am fearfully and wonderfully made. And Ginny, you know, that day, truly every fact that I thought to be true about my life changed. Obviously every, it all changed. And as I'm talking to you, you know, we're doing this podcast. I don't know the facts surrounding my conception. I don't know, was it a one night stand? Was it an ongoing adulterous affair? I don't even know if it was a rape. I don't know the facts. But here's what I do know. Ephesians 2, verse 10 doesn't say that I'm the workmanship of an affair. It doesn't say that I'm the workmanship of a rape. It says I'm God's workmanship. And I've been recreated in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand that I should walk in them. And so that's why we can flourish. So it's not what happened to me was not good. Of course it wasn't. I mean, it's evil. So much of that is evil. Abuse is always evil. There's so much brokenness. But we're living in a culture that says you have to be defined by that. And I'm saying, no, no, no. The olive tree teaches us you don't. That, that doesn't. Yes. Were the conditions both surrounding my conception and my birth and by being raised, were they difficult? Yes. Can I still flourish in Christ? Yes. Because I've learned to make what Jesus did for me bigger than what anyone did to me. And because of that truth, I can flourish. And I got to tell you, Jenny, you know, it would be just like God to take an unnamed, unwanted, abused, adopted girl from the back of six and say, you know what, Chris, I'm not only going to rescue you, but now I'm going to use you to help rescue those that are still in captivity. And, you know, every time we put a trafficker in jail or every time we rescue a young child or a woman, I feel like Joseph who stood before his brothers in Genesis, chapter 50, verse 20, and he said, you meant this for evil against me, but God meant it for this very purpose. So I guess I hope that I'm a living example of an olive tree that says, guys, I know some of you have gone through unspeakable pain and suffering, but the price that Jesus paid on the cross for, he understands the suffering, his wounds, he knows our woundedness. And you can still flourish on the other side of that.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Yeah. Even if. Even if you are born as a number and now you're helping to rescue women and girls who are seen as numbers, just who are not seen as the people that they are. Wow, Christine, what a story. Was your younger brother adopted, too?
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Christine Kane
No. You know, my mother. He was the only biological child. That's what ended up. She got, as often happens, you know, because she thought she couldn't conceive, and she adopted George. And then she adopted. And we were from two, so the three of us are from three different sets of parents and grew up in. I will testify, though, that obviously, you know, it shows a lot that my actual parents were fantastic, that they just didn't know any better. And back then, you were. You were taught back then. That's how you were taught. Don't say anything. You know, because you're going to. It showed that they did love us all equally because we, we didn't know, like, you know, as in we all thought we were there. So I want to, I don't, I don't want to just dishonor my mom in that way, because she did the best with the information that they were given in the 1960s. That's what you told people? Yes.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Are you glad you know?
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Christine Kane
Yes. Like, it doesn't. Because I think I, I, this is what I'm glad. I'm glad that I found out because I don't know how it would have been when I was really broken, before I came to Christ. So I've got a. You know, my father, my brother responded very differently to me. I think I'm glad that I found out once my identity was very firmly rooted in Christ because I think that's what made the difference. And I've become more tender as I've gotten older because truly, Ginny, as I've met, I mean, obviously I do so much women's ministry. I have for 40 years. So the number of women that are even older than me in their 70s and 80s, you know, I might be signing a book and they'll whisper in my ear. I might be the first person they've told that they were abused or that they were pregnant, had a child, nobody knows, and gave that child up for adoption. And the pain that women. So I realized there, it's so nuanced. It's never cut and dry. You know, it's painful. It's painful for the birth mother. It's painful for the adoptive parents. They're so, and not, not every story is like. Like I've come out like this, and I can't tell you the number of parents, great people that have adopted kids. And the story just so far isn't great. You know, there's. There's so much trauma involved and so much pain. So I'm very tender to that. But I want to give people hope that, that there is. There is hope on the other side of that.
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Right?
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Interviewer / Co-host
That's right. Wow. What a message. What a message. What a book.
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Christine Kane
Book.
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Jenny Urge
I, I mean, I just loved it because it's all surrounding nature. The whole book is. There's more even than the olive trees. You talk then about your hiking.
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Interviewer / Co-host
You talk about having guides.
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Christine Kane
Yes.
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Jenny Urge
Talked about this, this simple fact that
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Interviewer / Co-host
when you are in God's creation, that it moves you.
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Jenny Urge
So you talked about this time that
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Interviewer / Co-host
you were on the shoreline of a lake and you could see the water and through the water, there's all these pebbles resting on the bottom, and they're these beautiful colors that only God could have designed. Can you talk about the beauty in nature and why it's so foundational to expose our kids to that? The statistic is that kids spend four to seven minutes outside a day in free play. Four to seven minutes, but four to seven hours on screens. And I always say this is not just a problem for their physical development or for their emotions or for their social skills. This is really, truly a problem for their spiritual growth.
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Christine Kane
Of course it is. I'm so. And this is why I'm so grateful for the work that you do, because, you know, you've just got to keep banging this drum because it's just. You've just got to keep doing it. And I. It changes everything. I mean, of course, God created. Created us. Why would he create this beautiful world for us and then create us? Go, look what I made for you, everybody. You know, like, would you notice? And the thing is that it. And thank God, the science is really catching up to say how beneficial it is. So if you don't believe Ginny and you don't believe me, go and read. The data is actually right on our side. The Lord's like, well, I, you know, I told you all this before, the data, but if you need that as well, go and see it. Because literally, to your brain and your whole physiology, there is a. There is a scientific. It's verifiable. The data is there. A shift happens. It's actually good for you. And that's part of flourishing. Obviously, when you are outside, tactically, tactile touching, seeing. Of course, when it comes to seeing, there's so much in scripture and that. Why would God say, look, I'm not only going to have a green, flourishing olive tree, I'm going to create unique, distinct, beautiful flowers that nobody might even see because they're on a mountain in the back of nowhere. But God does it just because he loves it and he wants to see it. And he's saying, I'm letting you see this if you open your eyes, because here is the deal. You become what you behold. And so when we're saying that we've got unprecedented anxiety and depression amongst young people and, you know, suicidal ideation and so many different things is because if this is all you're beholding for seven hours a day, what do you think is going to happen to you physiologically and to your brain? When you go out and I'm. I'm looking, I am surrounded by nature, like in, you know, and as you'll see in my books, if you see, if you follow me, you will see I'm always out hiking. No matter how busy I am and what I do, I will always make time for that because I feel a physiological shift in everything in me and how God's made me. Because if you become what you behold, you want to make sure you're beholding the beauty of God and his beauty is reflected in his creation. Of course that his creation isn't him. He made it, but it's reflected in it. And I think, you know, part of the, the enemy wants to get us out of that and just either watching computer screens, phone screens, television screens, so that we lose that touch of. We actually become like him as we behold him. And there is something about beholding him in what he has created. And I, I will bang this drum as loud as you do because I, I know the change that it makes. And I see even in my daughters because now they're, you know, one's 21's 24, about to be 24. And I, I see the difference it's made in them. We, we were very careful with their screen time and even with all of our traveling around the world and everything. And they thank us for it. I mean, that, that is the, the thing is that, and you can see, you could see the fruit of it in their, their life. And I, and they, you know, that one of them doesn't even care about social media. The other one is, is, doesn't have it on her phone and has set times when of her own volition. I can't control her at 24. But I just, and I think, wow. And they would much rather be outside with their friends going for a walk with that, I mean, part of their, their routine of their own volition. Now they do, you know, one's at a college in Paris, one's in Argentina, and they, they, they make it like it's an event with their friends to grab a cup of tea and have some cookies and watch the sunset. It's like this thing that's, you know, and I'm like, you know what I think, I think I did okay as a mum. That's what I feel like. That's a win. Yes.
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Jenny Urge
Thank you. Because what's that going to do for you? If you say, if you regularly see
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Interviewer / Co-host
the sunset or the sunrise, it just reminds you that God is at work. And there's so many scriptures about remembering and looking. You wrote, I don't know how God's beauty moves you. Or if you get outdoors enough to enjoy his magnificent displays. But I find God's beauty endless because it's reflected in all his creation. Seeing and experiencing God's beauty has the power to give us life and so, so many ways. And in the small, if it's a field of wildflowers, if it's sunlight glistening on a lake, all these little things, these environments affect us mentally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. And the science is catching up, and it is tremendous.
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Jenny Urge
So I love this.
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Interviewer / Co-host
I love this part of the book.
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Jenny Urge
There's a lot in there.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
You know, you talk about your one
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Jenny Urge
hike when you went on and you didn't even get to see what you wanted to see because you didn't have.
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Christine Kane
I know. Slovenia. Yes.
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Jenny Urge
It had ice cleats, and it was a whole thing. So I. It's fantastic. I mean, just a phenomenal read for parents. The faith, the flourish, a lot of it.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Just read with your kids, God's design for rooted, resilient and fruitful life, and
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Jenny Urge
go spend time looking at trees. It's going to give you so many
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Interviewer / Co-host
lessons that you can pass on to them.
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Jenny Urge
Can you tell us about the work that you do with a 21 and tell us about the other things that
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
you have to offer because you have other books.
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Interviewer / Co-host
You have your Equip and Empower podcast. I know you speak all over the place, and I'm sure I'm missing important pieces.
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Christine Kane
Oh, no. I mean, I love that. My greatest desire, when I say I truly want the body of Christ to flourish again and, you know, for people to flourish and not be languishing, that in this hour of just relentless craziness in the world, I want just to bring us back to that place. So, you know, Nick and I, it was Ginny Apple about 20 years ago. Now, a 21 is 18 years old, but 20 years ago, I was standing at a baggage claim in Thessaloniki, Greece. I was going to speak at a women's conference, and I saw all these posters of these missing women and children. I was 40 years old at the time. I had just had Sophia. And I need to say, when you pop out a kid at 40, you are not asking the Lord for a new ministry. I was not. I wanted to go on a vacation in Santa Rosa. I was not asking the Lord for something. And. But as I was standing there, I saw these missing women, children. And I went in and I looked very closely at one of the little girls, and the little girl's name was Sophia. And here I am. I just had my Sofia. And any new mom knows you're already very hormonal when you've had a baby, you're already very emotional. I haven't slept for 45 hours. I've traveled the world. And I will have to tell you, at that moment, the Lord did something in my heart because I went from looking at someone else's missing child to seeing my own daughter. And the issue is, you know, when you look, you can look away, but when you see, you can never unsee. So at that moment, a seed was planted. And I thought, you know, I'm only one degree separated from these children because if I was not born in Australia, where there was a rule of law, where there was an adoption system, I could be one of the kids that I'm rescuing today. And so we began. I had no idea it would become a global organization. You know, we provide services in 22 countries around the world. We reach the vulnerable. You know, we rescue the victim, restore the survivor. It's very holistic. We work with governments, law enforcement. I mean, it's huge. So if anyone's interested in that, you can go to a21.org There is, you know, sometimes as a mother you hear this and get overwhelmed. I made sure when we started this, I was never going to make someone so overwhelmed that they feel powerless. There is tools on there that wherever you are, there is something you can do to make a difference. So, you know, I really encourage you to do that. Of course, you know, we're so involved with helping to, you know, just really teach and empower people all over the world to live on mission for Jesus wherever they are, in whatever sphere of mission life that they're in. And so especially I do a lot with women, young women in propel cohorts of helping them to get stronger and to flourish. We have a five month cohort experience with, with coaches that I think is very, you know, you could do it from home. But I think there's some great things that tools that we have set up with proposals propel to help women everywhere, wherever you are in the world, whatever season of life you're in, to truly flourish. And of course, all the teachings. So I mean, you can find me everywhere, you know, Christine Kane, I'm out there on all the things.
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Jenny Urge
Yeah, and I love that because you
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said it started with the seed and it's such an important part of the
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book where you say everything it all, everything starts as a seed in our world.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Ideas, you know, it all starts as a seed.
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Jenny Urge
And you talk about when you Talked
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Interviewer / Co-host
about growth, that you went back to school, you gone back to school.
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Jenny Urge
You're like, I feel overwhelmed. I've got to learn all these new skills, skill sets.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
Like, I don't even. How do I use the computer and
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Jenny Urge
how do I log into all of these things?
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Interviewer / Co-host
And you say you're a beginner, but you are willing to be stretched and to grow. And all of these things that you're doing are so impactful, incredibly impactful. So I'll make sure I'll put all the links so that people can know where to go and to find you.
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Christine Kane
Thank you.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Jenny. I wanted to wrap up with this beautiful. Because it's in line with what you just said. You said, well, you had a beautiful part about that these trees bloom no matter if they're on social media or not. You know, they. God makes them so that they bloom. They're beautiful even if no one's there to see it.
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Jenny Urge
And you said, imagine if you saw
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your primary goal in all your endeavors as bringing forth beauty in the world around you, as helping people see the beauty of the Lord through the beauty of your own life and work.
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Jenny Urge
What a book.
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Christine Kane
I loved.
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Jenny Urge
You loved it? It's called the Faith to flourish that made me cough. I loved it. And you talk about how there was
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Interviewer / Co-host
a time when your family didn't approve of what you were doing.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
They didn't approve of your faith, they
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didn't approve of your business direction. And yet you have walked forward.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
What a story.
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Jenny Urge
I'm so glad I read it.
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Interviewer / Co-host
We always end our show with the same question. What's a favorite memory from your childhood?
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
That was outside side.
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Christine Kane
You know, for me, I. It. I was Christine, the only girl with, you know, two brothers, four male cousins, boys. So we would play every single day. This is the truth. Soccer. Outside there was a field. So I'm like that girl that would be out there with the boy. That's where I got a bit rough and tough in my life. And that to me, that. That is one of the things that I always carry is every single day on the grass in the field, without exception, playing soccer with the guys.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Oh, I love it. What a childhood.
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Jenny Urge
Christine, I just am so honored that I got the chance to talk with you.
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Interviewer / Co-host
And I felt like this book was such a page turner and it was so life giving.
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Jenny Urge
And it was such a reminder to
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Interviewer / Co-host
me that God uses such simple things to teach us such important lessons. And I think it's a reminder for parents to make sure that we're getting our kids outside.
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Podcast Host / Sponsor Reader
And I mean, we just only scratched the surface because you talk about so
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Interviewer / Co-host
much else in this. In this book, about the, you know, the blooms and the roots and the ecosystem that a tree can provide for so many others. The branches that hang low. You talk about humility, the sisters in Lebanon. You talk about community.
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Jenny Urge
How did you fit so much in a book? You talk about pruning and the Chinese olive trees. And you wrote, God is so creative
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and everything he made, isn't he?
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Jenny Urge
And on top of all that, I
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learned that there's even an olive oil competition.
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Christine Kane
Come on, I'm telling you, you're gonna learn more about olive oil things than you even. And there's an Olive International Olive Oil Day as well.
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Jenny Urge
I loved it. Fantastic writing and a very, very impactful Christine.
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Interviewer / Co-host
Thanks for the book, thanks for all you're doing, and thanks for your time with us today.
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Christine Kane
Thank you, Jenny. What an honor. I'm taking you on the road with me. You are the best.
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